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Not that its good logic, but their "win/loss" logic revolves around a conceptual (and illusory) "end point".

America lost in Vietnam, by their logic, only because we gave up and left.
And by the same logic, they can't be losing in Ukraine because the dictator says they WON'T give up.

See, none of it relates to anything GOOD.
There's no consideration for prosperity, or life for that matter.
They are slaves to an empire, so regardless of how high the corpses pile, or how badly it dooms their entire country going forward, X flag over Y land = winning.