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>and HoloEN declining
>Not a decline in viewership but that's hardly growth
Anon, you're absolutely delusional, they grew at the same rate as the JP girls in the highlighted period. (pic related) You are denying reality as they're presented to you and substituting it with the most pathetic mental gymnastics and delusion. You can do better than that.
>they're women for people who don't have women
You claim to have watched it since a long time ago but your words are pretty much the same one from people that not only have no familiarity with the agency but have a visceral hatred for their audience, pretty much a verbose way to say "Hololive is for incels".
>but that's not relevant to this discussion in any way. You're approaching this from a numberfag perspective (...) but it's got little to do with business or reach or markets
Here is the evidence put forward for your judgement
>their revenue grew 80 million USD between 2024 and 2025
>the audience of every branch increased significantly in the same period
>even their peak numbers (like their most watched songs, their most watched short content) grew to levels unheard before for either Hololive or the vtuber world as a whole (with Loli UI being the only thing coming even close)
Then there are evidence not put forward but more than disclosed in this thread
>their songs are being played in radio, TV and convenience stores
>they're showing up in baseball stadiums, partnering with Coca Cola and Star Wars and being featured in 9 O'Clock news

I don't think a better set of evidence could be disclosed to convince you. If you are too prideful to acknowledge what's being shown to you with hard numbers and hard evidence you and I can just agree to disagree.
My case is strong tho, if not you, I assume the audience of this little debate stand convinced by my point