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Also as a general criticism of Plato, I don't like his obsession with the Forms. I agree they exist in theory, but 1) he overestimates our capacity to grasp them and apply them to society, and 2) he underestimates the fact that reality may be the way it is for a reason. Reality itself may be a better representation of the Forms (especially considering it has been subjected to time/evolution/progress for centuries) than whatever explanation our limited reasoning may come up with.

I'll admit I haven't gotten around to reading the Republic, so maybe I've got the wrong idea of its objective, but every society that has been rationalized and planned top-down (i.e., gone from theory/Forms to practice) has been an utter disaster when compared to societies that have grown organically.