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>If TOBA in its essential state of being the destructive angry face of TOAA wasn't able to permanently destroy the Mother of Horrors, does that not suggest TOBA and therefore TOAA aren't as beyond the beyond as we had originally been lead to believe?
Ewing has been building that up as of recently. The last issue of his run in Defenders: Beyond even had TOAA summoning the monsters to attack the Defenders. Of note is that Marvel used to publish these monsters way back when they were still Atlas Comics and predate the Comics Code Authority. Even Blue Marvel described them as beings of "pre-creation" to imply that the creation date for when Marvel really began was in 1961; the debut date for the Fantastic Four.