>>18007996
And the last two questions are earnest and direct towards God. "What is your essence God? And what is the essence of your Son?"
Christ answers this question for us... but Agur doesn't know (yet).
Therefore, it makes perfect sense why Agur ends his queries with, "Surely you know!" in reference to God, as God is the only one who knows the answer to those questions completely.
Even from a neutral standpoint, it seems hard to believe that Agur would feign humility then rhetorically question God. Whereas, the interpretation of a genuine pleading desire to know God's essence better seems far more in touch with the earnest pleading Agur does in the rest of Proverbs 30.
What do you think? Am I missing something?
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So the problem becomes clear: as a Polish man, the traditional position for me, for my society, is to
a) believe in the bible
b) believe in the traditions of the catholic church
at present I am unsure if both are possible at the same time, since it’s traditionally held that
Matthew was written first, and most catholics who have an opinion share this opinion. Polish
scholars are from what I found unanomous on this, because we’re catholic, we must hold that
Matthew was written first. I’ve read numerous arguments on the subject, I’ve watched a debate on
youtube… the position that Mark was written first seems to just be factually correct.
I wish I never tried to learn more about the bible this way and had just gone through the catehism
instead. But what’s done is done. What am I supposed to do now? I want to continue to embrace
tradition.
Since I’m Polish I can’t become protestant, that’d be just about the most un-traditional thing I could
do, being catholic is central to the polish society. It’d even make more sense to become muslim than
protestant. But at the same time, I can’t reconsile traditional catholic teachings with what seem to be
the facts. In this thread, hopefully, someone will post a great argument for Matthaean priority, but if
that doesn’t happen… what, do I just beat myself over the head until I forget what I learned, and
hope that I don’t come across this information again in the future?
How do you embrace tradition in light of new knowledge? Keep in mind this isn’t a recent discovery,
this is known since the 19th century.
So the problem becomes clear: as a Polish man, the traditional position for me, for my society, is to
a) believe in the bible
b) believe in the traditions of the catholic church
at present I am unsure if both are possible at the same time, since it’s traditionally held that
Matthew was written first, and most catholics who have an opinion share this opinion. Polish
scholars are from what I found unanomous on this, because we’re catholic, we must hold that
Matthew was written first. I’ve read numerous arguments on the subject, I’ve watched a debate on
youtube… the position that Mark was written first seems to just be factually correct.
I wish I never tried to learn more about the bible this way and had just gone through the catehism
instead. But what’s done is done. What am I supposed to do now? I want to continue to embrace
tradition.
Since I’m Polish I can’t become protestant, that’d be just about the most un-traditional thing I could
do, being catholic is central to the polish society. It’d even make more sense to become muslim than
protestant. But at the same time, I can’t reconsile traditional catholic teachings with what seem to be
the facts. In this thread, hopefully, someone will post a great argument for Matthaean priority, but if
that doesn’t happen… what, do I just beat myself over the head until I forget what I learned, and
hope that I don’t come across this information again in the future?
How do you embrace tradition in light of new knowledge? Keep in mind this isn’t a recent discovery,
this is known since the 19th century.