>>24777539
As pointed out, not every modern accepts all of these. I think the more fundamental divide is simply this, that modern thought does not accept any robust form of intellectus/noesis. It also does not accept that contemplative knowledge can be gained from "spiritual exercises" and the cultivation of virtue. Pretty much all prior thought, Eastern as much as Western, admits of this sort of knowledge. That might be why, despite being isolated by vast differences, they are in many respects all more similar to each other than modern thought. In modern thought, everything must be "public" and accessible to the "disinterested observer."
Hindu thought has jñāna and buddhi, Buddhists have prajna, Taoism has its own intuitive knowledge.
The main modern argument about these traditions disagreeing seems a bit weak though. They don't disagree more than modern thought does. Honestly, I think they disagree much less on what is truly important, such as ethics and the virtues. So, why then is contemplative knowledge written off?
It has to be question begging because sheer empirical sense data and discursive reason alone cannot justify the epistemic position that only these are valid and they virtually all past thought is simply delusion or fantasy.
Pic vaguely related, Orthodox monks agreeing with Taoism.
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>>24716890
The answer is the necessary being whose essence is existence, subsistent being itself. The structure of reality is that being uttering its Eternal Word, the Logos, and breathing into creation its Holy Spirit.
The answer is the necessary being whose essence is existence, subsistent being itself. The structure of reality is that being uttering its Eternal Word, the Logos, and breathing into creation its Holy Spirit.
>>24600109
Pray these at each canonical hour and begin ascetic labors. It is the path to joy.
https://www.liturgy.io/orthodox-hours-core?hour=10&day=1&month=8&year=2025&minute=9&style=LINED&trans=KJV&psalt=DEF&lect=ONE&plect=ONE
>>24600209
Syncretism mixes truth and falsity, but perennialism is not without its own truth. The Truth has been reflected in many ways in many places, in Greece as well as in India and China. This is why we still teach Homer and Virgil, alongside Dante who gives us a fuller picture.
Pray these at each canonical hour and begin ascetic labors. It is the path to joy.
https://www.liturgy.io/orthodox-hours-core?hour=10&day=1&month=8&year=2025&minute=9&style=LINED&trans=KJV&psalt=DEF&lect=ONE&plect=ONE
>>24600209
Syncretism mixes truth and falsity, but perennialism is not without its own truth. The Truth has been reflected in many ways in many places, in Greece as well as in India and China. This is why we still teach Homer and Virgil, alongside Dante who gives us a fuller picture.
>>24459754
>it can understand and emulate the life and philosophy of Jesus Christ. This alone gives more weight to the Christian system
Where is the justification for this? If you just want to emulate an individual you wouldn't be much worse off if you just picked one from history or even a fictional one from a play or a novel, in fact that's literally what Jesus is, insofar as we know him.
>Forgiveness as a key aspect of your life
This is a part of every single religious tradition. Holding a grudge is impossible to justify in a transcendental sense.
>And that salvation lies open to all. Not a specific sect of "chosen" people
Also not exclusive to Christianity for obvious reasons.
>the shame/guilt cycle presented by the Catholic and other Churches is a distortion of the message of the Bible
Original Sin has little to do with shame or the psychology of man, except maybe on a derivative level. It has metaphysical significance that bleeds into (and indeed informs) every aspect of the Christian cosmology. I don't think you understand your own creed very well, to be honest.
>The original nature of man is not my concern honestly, we are living in the hear and now
We are living in the eternally returning origin. Christ says he is the Alpha and Omega, does he not?
>the origins of the universe are remote and unknowable
Wrong. The principle (from 'in principio creavit Deus caelum et terram' (Fun fact: The Chinese translations of John 1 say, In the beginning was the Dao....)) is nearer to us than the present moment in time, which latter is an abstraction of the concrete reality of the former.
To be unconcerned with the original nature of things is to be unable to let their essence enter into your intellect. The principle or dao has a moral imperative to be known, and indeed is the only moral imperative as such.
Jesus even calls himself the Way. I would say that to know Christ is to know the Way, rather than the Man, although the Man is known by knowing his Way.
>there isn't a need to "correct" everything
There is no need to do anything at all, but Taoism is morally relative, and sometimes the best course (free and easiest) is to correct things, as the Yellow Emperor, who is held up as an exemplar, often does in the Zhuangzi.
>That is love, that is Jesus Christ
Or any other enlightened individual (and doesn't Thomas affirm this?)
>But it lacks the compassion and accessibility that is there with Christs message
I would say Christ himself was perfectly compassionate, but Christianity is by and large not. The way to attain Christ's passions is to tread his Way. The Dao says that the sage 'treats others as straw dogs' and this is really the zenith of compassion if approached with a sober mind.
Still, I think we are more in agreement than not.
>it can understand and emulate the life and philosophy of Jesus Christ. This alone gives more weight to the Christian system
Where is the justification for this? If you just want to emulate an individual you wouldn't be much worse off if you just picked one from history or even a fictional one from a play or a novel, in fact that's literally what Jesus is, insofar as we know him.
>Forgiveness as a key aspect of your life
This is a part of every single religious tradition. Holding a grudge is impossible to justify in a transcendental sense.
>And that salvation lies open to all. Not a specific sect of "chosen" people
Also not exclusive to Christianity for obvious reasons.
>the shame/guilt cycle presented by the Catholic and other Churches is a distortion of the message of the Bible
Original Sin has little to do with shame or the psychology of man, except maybe on a derivative level. It has metaphysical significance that bleeds into (and indeed informs) every aspect of the Christian cosmology. I don't think you understand your own creed very well, to be honest.
>The original nature of man is not my concern honestly, we are living in the hear and now
We are living in the eternally returning origin. Christ says he is the Alpha and Omega, does he not?
>the origins of the universe are remote and unknowable
Wrong. The principle (from 'in principio creavit Deus caelum et terram' (Fun fact: The Chinese translations of John 1 say, In the beginning was the Dao....)) is nearer to us than the present moment in time, which latter is an abstraction of the concrete reality of the former.
To be unconcerned with the original nature of things is to be unable to let their essence enter into your intellect. The principle or dao has a moral imperative to be known, and indeed is the only moral imperative as such.
Jesus even calls himself the Way. I would say that to know Christ is to know the Way, rather than the Man, although the Man is known by knowing his Way.
>there isn't a need to "correct" everything
There is no need to do anything at all, but Taoism is morally relative, and sometimes the best course (free and easiest) is to correct things, as the Yellow Emperor, who is held up as an exemplar, often does in the Zhuangzi.
>That is love, that is Jesus Christ
Or any other enlightened individual (and doesn't Thomas affirm this?)
>But it lacks the compassion and accessibility that is there with Christs message
I would say Christ himself was perfectly compassionate, but Christianity is by and large not. The way to attain Christ's passions is to tread his Way. The Dao says that the sage 'treats others as straw dogs' and this is really the zenith of compassion if approached with a sober mind.
Still, I think we are more in agreement than not.