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>Also if nobody supports indies there will be no diamonds in the rough for yagoo to save from eternal damnation
You do realize that they can still be accepted while pulling low 3view or even 2view numbers, right? The problem isn't indies themselves existing, it's LARGE indies existing and gathering fanbases of what seems to primarily be anti-hololive. When you consider that they can still be picked up while getting lower numbers, there really is no reason for any 4view indies to exist. You even acknowledge that the best ones are actual "diamonds in the rough" and no 4view indie is that, they basically are the rough since they had to lie and backstab to get to that point as an indie in the first place