Most irrelevant franchise in the NBA, possibly in sports too.

>>149189906 (OP)
They have a championship though. The Clippers, Hornets, Pelicans and Nets are probably the most irrelevant

fuck you anon keep my DC out your FUCKING mouth

>>149190208
nah. Clippers have been in the news for lob city and kawhi-pg. Hornets have lamelo so people are forced to talk about them. Pelican had AD and have Zion now to talk about. Nets had KD, Kyrie and harden.
When's the last time Wizards were discussed? Beal-Wall? MJ joining? they have such forgettable branding too

>>149189906 (OP)
Name sucks
Uniform suck
Team as a whole sucks. Not a single 50 win season or ECF appearance since Carter was president

>>149191858
Considering 20 million people in SoCal want nothing to do with them, there isn't a bigger irrelevant franchise. Just because Balmer's money paid off the media with favors and access, doesn't mean they're relevant. The only time a team like the Clippers is relevant is when they play or mention the Lakers

Arizona Cardinals are the most irrelevant.

>>149189906 (OP)
What about the Anaheim Ducks and the San José Sharks? I've never seen anybody talk about them except "The Ducks are based on that Disney movie". And what about anything from Buffalo?
I say this knowing full well that there's a high chance of me embarrassing myself, I don't live in North America after all, and my limited on American sports is limited

>>149192737
>limited is limited
... 5am shit, I meant my knowledge is limited
Oh, despite knowing next to nothing about baseball, I would have also thrown the Seattle Mariners into the ring

>>149192737
Ducks have won championships.

>>149191858
Westbrook I think. It’s between the Grizzlies and Hornets in my opinion.

Is DC considered a good market in the NBA?

>>149192935
Does one Stanley Cup make them relevant? But yeah, point taken

>>149193089
Market is obviously big enough to sustain a popular NBA team (big population, rich people, black people, even rich black people!) but the team has always been dogshit. Their most noteworthy and interesting teams as the Wizards were the Gilbert Arenas teams where they pulled guns on each other in the locker room

>>149189906 (OP)
The only time they were relevant was the John Wall era and maybe Westbrook

>>149193690
Speaking of market, how do people determine what team is a big market and what's a small market? Like why is nuggets considered a small market despite having won a ring in 2023, and why is the knicks considered a big market despite not winning a ring for like, idk, several decades?

I'm not american obviously, so i'm just trying to understand

>>149193786
Here you go bro.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_stations_in_North_America_by_media_market
Market = media market. More people generally means a bigger market. This often means the teams get more attention (since more people care about them), which can give them more fans, which can give them more money, even when the team sucks (see: Dallas Cowboys, New York Knicks).

>>149194229
Thanks. So apparently it has nothing to do with the performance of the team. That's sad :(

Now i understand why nobody cares about the finals

>>149193786
championships have nothing to do with market sizes, its based off location and overall value of the team, another factor is how hot/popular of a destination it is for free agents to sign
usually small market teams have to build themselves from the draft and trades, you rarely ever get big names going there unless they get traded or they're way beyond their prime
example: the bucks are another small market that won a ring not to long ago, their main star giannis was drafted to the team, but they've never really signed a major name in free agency
however, they were able to acquire damian lillard in a trade, although it backfired (but thats a different conversation)
these aren't permanent labels either, if a team manages to stay successful for long enough they can turn themselves into a larger market, like the warriors did, although this is a rare occurance, and gsw's success also has to do with the fact that they're located in california, which made it a lot easier to attract media attention

>>149194312
Think of all the expansion talks. It's always "City X is so big/has such a large metro, they would be a good addition (because it would be profitable for the owners, who are the ones to get the entire thing rolling)". And the next argument is always "And there is enough room between them and [city that already has a team and holds a certain influence in the region, posing a potential rival in the battle for customers]"
It's all a cold calculation of how many customers there are and how much capital there is. Or at least that has been the absolute norm for decades now. Green Bay having an NFL team doesn't really make sense by modern standards, but it works for historical reasons

>>149193690
I see, i remember the 2014 team was decent with Wall, Beal, Ariza, Nene and Gortat

>>149194343
Was the gay area ever really considered a small market? It has tons of people.

>>149189906 (OP)
>possibly in sports too
I don't think I could name all the hockey teams, I could easily with NFL, MLB, NBA

>>149194343
Damn, it all makes sense now. Because for a long time i don't understand a lot of the things redditors say when it comes to FA and market size, and i was too afraid to ask because they have a huge superiority complex. Thanks for the elaboration.

>if a team manages to stay successful for long enough they can turn themselves into a larger market
I think Indiana might become the next example if pacers win the finals and CC continues to be great

>>149194415
Yeah, that makes sense. I guess clippers will always be the "small brother" for the foreseeable future

>>149194686
I think a lot of the market talk is "old head" east coast/LA sportswriter bias from decades ago which is why I usually try to shy away from it. Wizards are obviously a special case though because I do feel like people would come out of the woodwork if they finally got a good team

>>149193089
It’s got lots of black people so yes but the team sucks so no one cares.

>>149195018
>coward

>>149193068
The Grizzlies upset the Spurs in the first round that one time

We got shafted in the draft lottery, who should we take at 6?

>>149189906 (OP)

>>149189906 (OP)
Michael Jordan tho

>>149194229
If the team is not in New York, Los Angels or Chicago, it's "small market" with some exceptions here and there.

>>149201303
Dallas isn’t small market.

Bring back the bullets

>>149192737
sharks won the presidents trophy, went 6 games against crosbys penguins, cucked the bronze squires, and we have the future wayne gretzky

>>149205979
U gotta be gangsta

>>149205664
DC has too much gun crime lel

>>149193089
Funnily enough the DMV is produces the most D1 basketball players in the country. None of them want to play for the Wizards. Wizards are a weird team where they have been bad so long that while there is local support there aren't a lot of die hard fans. Name change certainly didn't help, especially to something like the Wizards which has no local significance. Owner didn't even change the name because of the gun violence in the city, he did it because he was upset his friend in Israel was assassinated.

It's the Magic. Nobody cares about the Magic and any star player they get will be gone in 3 years and they'll be back to at least a decade of rebuilding. Even when they were hot early last year pre-injuries nobody cared about them.

I hate this fucking team so much.

>>149189906 (OP)
team badly needs a rebrand. wizards is not a basketball name.

>>149189906 (OP)
in sports right now. probably blue jackets had it until this year

>>149207789
Magic went back to their cool pinstripes so they're out of the running. Bars really low to win this

>>149194686
sort of, more so because the warriors one, played in and claimed oakland at the time instead of sf, and two, were irrelevant jobbers for so long
seriously, prior to splash bros era their peak was the run tmc and we believe warriors