How widespread do you believe the usage of performance enhancing drugs to be across the sporting world? I can't shake the cynical feeling that all of our sports heroes are frauds like Lance Armstrong.

>>149411552 (OP)
if they're all frauds (which they are) none of them are

>>149411552 (OP)
It's all over the place, and actively covered up.
There's no doubt in my mind that Spain were doping around the Fuentes saga, courts destroyed the evidence.
It will have happened elsewhere but that's the most obvious example I can think of where authorities came together to hide it.

It's no secret that the Serie A had pretty widespread roid abuse through the 90s

It's widespread. Simply because it works.
They can't use the obvious, super powerful stuff, but they are on PEDs.

If you don't take them, you won't do well. It's as simple as that. A guy on PEDs wins 99% of the time.

So it's either none of them are on PEDs or they're ALL on PEDs

Idk about other sports but footballers get tested fairly regularly these days and the rules have never been more strict. so it's either none of them use PEDs or all of them do but manage to find some miraculous way around it, and if that's the case then it doesn't matter since there's no competitive advantage to be gained
And honestly I don't see any players or teams doing anything particularly outstanding or unachievable natty that warrants any doubts of PED abuse

>>149411598
>Idk about other sports but footballers get tested fairly regularly these days and the rules have never been more strict
Doesnt matter, they get some coach assistant's blood piss and shit and they test that instead. The maradona way.

>>149411552 (OP)
Yes, HGH becomes almost undetectable after 12 hours. These athletes are all on designer PED's that can avoid testing easy. And I don't give a damn if they do, the only reason they make it "illegal" is cause they don't want little Timmy taking PED's as a kid and medically fucking himself for life.

>>149411613
I'm pretty sure that's not how it works
>>149411636
HGH doesn't give you any athletic performance boost. unless you're a bodybuilder it's pretty useless, if anything gaining too much lean body mass too fast might make you worse

>>149411657
>HGH doesn't give you any athletic performance boost
doesnt matter, it makes you recover quicker

dude just stfu you dont know shit about doping and roiding

>>149411552 (OP)
its semantics. pretty much everyone is on something.
i think the major leagues should reverse course and actively assist players to dope as safely as possible. only punish players who do it outside the system.
only drawback is bad messaging for youth sports but i dont think the bans are stopping any kids from doping to try to make the pros

>>149411668
Bro you're just a fat loser who can't fathom anyone being able to jog without taking superhuman drugs kek, many such cases

>>149411552 (OP)
I wonder if any athletes are being given placebos they are told will enhance their performance.

I remember watching that endless 100 game match at Wimbledon and McEnroe doing everything he could to tell you without telling you
>it’s just err…the fitness levels of these guys… really changed in recent years…done a lot of work to improve the fitness levels… very thorough program of fitness levels.. all the modern players take a lot of…programs and work…to improve their fitness levels

Sporting bodies will only act once it suits them as well, see Maradona tearing up Serie A for 7 years and then suddenly getting caught right after he happened to knock Italy out the WC (yes I know he got banned for coke and not PEDs but the point stands - it was fine for him to be a cokehead until it wasn't)

>>149411919
You have to assume all of Bolt’s failed tests are kept in that warehouse from the end of Indiana Jones.
Doesn’t serve the interests of anyone even vaguely connected with the olympics or with athletics as a whole to have those brought to light.

>>149411716
lmao based

>>149411552 (OP)
required if you want to go pro

Huge in America. Some new PED is why athletes are snapping Achilles tendons left and right these days

Pretty much every single professional sport.
It gets swept under the rug mostly by the people in charge of leagues/teams etc and then you've got fans who straight up delude themselves into thinking their favourite athletes are clean.

Usain Bolt is a perfect example, there is absolutely zero fucking chance the olympic committee would bust a poster boy like him, but when the fastest man on the planet is apparently clean but running faster than guys actually on steroids, you can see how muahvygch nonsense it is.

>>149411716
>this buttblasted when proven wrong
You cant even afford jogging you russian rape baby

I had a friend play professional rugby to a decent level and he said they roid early in their careers before there's any serious testing done after age grade level. Build up that huge physique and then supplement it over the years.
When you see teams or athletes going to some remote country for a "training camp" it's almost always an excuse to roid for a few weeks without worrying about getting tested.

The local jocks at your gym risk their health to look 2% better and you think pro sportsmen with eight figure net worths are on boiled rice and salad? It's all about micro-doses and "gray zone" products not yet explicitly banned by the WADA/USADA/whatever.

it's extremely common for athletes that recover from injury
i don't think they are tested

All of them, to varying degrees.

Like in most US sports, guys get drug tested once randomly per year. Let's say it's May and you get dinged for your test. Pass it and you know you're not getting tested again until next year. Time to gear up.

>>149411552 (OP)
>like Lance Armstrong

There is no doping in footy. Messi, Ronaldinho, Zidane, Neymar, etc. are among the best players ever and none look particularly strong. Yamal is also one future legend and he is super thin.

American Football, Basketball, Baseball, Rugby, Athleticism, Swimming, Weightlifting, etc.? All full of doping.

>>149411552 (OP)
Every athlete in every sport that isn't clown-tier is in a gray area at least. The entire system is flawed for pretending that athletes are either squeaky clean or super asshole cheaters. Most are somewhere between these two. Clubs have multiple doctors to find little tweaks that help with performance and recovery, and most know the rules and procedures very well. It is possible to get away with a few things, and be it only on a smaller scale
If somebody gets caught, he usually either was dumb as fuck and really fucked up or he's a small fish anyway and didn't get the elite treatment
The control bodies are also biased. First of all, there's a certain interest in "keeping the sport clean" and maintaining its public reputation, but it's also about the major stars as brand carriers. They will have an easier time getting off the hook if that's ever necessary. But smaller names are hit with all the more power, even if the entire process is questionable
It begins with the list of banned substances already.
So there's no real way to say who is clean and who isn't. For most outsiders with a seemingly pure-hearted (and naive) perspective, basically every top athlete does things that raise some eyebrows. But it's still a long way from there to the most ridiculous and extreme stuff

>>149419135
>he thinks PED's means they have to look strong
Lul, look at cyclists, a lot of the time it's about recovery and endurance

>>149411552 (OP)
Anon....

>>149411552 (OP)
guaranteed, the more money you move the likelier it is you'll get away with it.

>>149411552 (OP)
I dont like this frog