Dear South American friends, we need to talk seriously about the future of our football.
The Club World Cup has been entertaining, it's true, but the technical gulf between the football played in South America and that played in Europe is obvious. Our elite clubs can barely compete against the top European clubs - and the gap only seems to widen with time.
Argentina and Brazil have dominated the Copa Libertadores in recent years, which in my view is not a good sign. It shows a worrying imbalance. We need strong leagues and clubs in Paraguay, Uruguay, Bolivia, Chile, Ecuador and across the continent.
Unfortunately, I haven't seen consistent progress from Uruguayan, Paraguayan, Chilean and Bolivian clubs. In many cases, teams seem to rely on specific local conditions, such as altitude, rather than technical and structural evolution. This kind of scenario could be holding back the development of South American football as a whole.
If we want to compete on an equal footing with European football, we need to strengthen our leagues, invest in training, infrastructure, management and competitiveness - not just in Brazil and Argentina, but throughout South America.

What can we do together to improve the technical and structural level of the other South American leagues?

step 1: stop being poor

>>149512533
>Moortugal thinks he is part of Europe’s UCL contender elite
Lmao

i aint readin all of that nigga

>>149512533
Portuguese clubs are far from being among Europe's elite.
This conversation can help you too.

>>149512510 (OP)
>excluding rio in the map
>that argie flag
heh i kinda have an idea to improve all south american clubs at least 10 times overnight but i'm not willing to help you now

>>149512684
>crying over a meme
Gay.

>>149512510 (OP)
>What can we do together to improve the technical and structural level of the other South American leagues?
nothing?, it clearly works, half of the european players are brazilian and argentinian

>>149512592
stop loosting over our women

>>149512510 (OP)
have you thought about being acquired by a petrostate, oligarch or handed political favors by a dictator in the 50s?
That is how most of Europe's "elite" established their dominance.

>>149512510 (OP)
money

Let us play Libertadores

>>149515594
This would be nice.
Libertadores is turning into a Copa do Brasil latelly.
We need to keep playing against the best, not only against bad teams in La Paz.

>>149512510 (OP)
Palmeiras will eliminate Chelsea.

>>149512510 (OP)
Honestly I support the Brazilian national team, I support South America, the third world and Brics even against Americano-european imperialism. But your bullshit sudaca delusions by hundreds posters here made me root for the euro teams .

>>149515803
Palmeiras will eliminate Chelsea.
All the retarded Cariocas who celebrated beating Europeans in the group stage will be eliminated.

The difference between Palmeiras and the carioca clubs is that the carioca clubs, especially Flamengo, went there wanting to prove something about the carioca imagination about football.
Palmeiras went there to play ugly and win.

>>149515794
Palmeiras conceed 2 goals to Miami...

>>149515803
this

>>149515822
>carioca
nobody knows what this means, speak english not mexican

>>149515822
Even if Palmeiras eliminate Chelsea, they will lose to the next elite euro team.
Today Chelsea is not in the same level as Bayern, Man. City, PSG...

>>149515824
Yes, and Botafogo didn't concede any to PSG.
Football is played 11 v 11 on a pitch.
Palmeiras will play horribly, they won't try to play out wide and they'll win. Take note and you'll see.
Palmeiras are fully aware that they are a worse team than Chelsea technically, but they are certainly much more competitive.

>>149515835
Carioca means people born in Rio

>>149515845
those are called rio-ites then in english or rio-oids

>>149515594
bueno

>>149515794
>>149515822
>>149515844
ANULO A MUFA

But you're partly right.

>>149515844
Even if Palmeiras beat Chelsea, it doesn't mean that Palmeiras, or any Brazilian team, is at the same level of competitiveness as European teams.
What I'm trying to find here is a way of reducing the gap between football played in Europe and football played in South America.
To do this, I believe we need to make sure that the football played in other South American countries improves, because it's not good for only Brazilian teams to win the Libertadores. We're not going to improve football like that.

>>149515849
You are called retarded

>>149515890
All Brazilian teams are either at the same or a higher level of competitiveness.
What none are at is the level of technical quality.
That's what Flamengo hasn't understood.
Palmeiras wouldn't have conceded any of the three goals that Flamengo did. The own goal is unfortunate.
Flamengo could have qualified today and had a much more even game if they hadn't tried to play match to match, especially trying to play the ball into bayern's high defence. Kicking the ball forward is part of football.

>>149515890
It's impossible, because all the best players go to Europe.
And the rest of the continent comes to Brazil.
Give all the Uruguayans in the Brazilian Championship back to Penarol and Nacional and they'll be fighting for all the Copa Libertadores.

It's simply a question of economics.

>>149514565
no

>>149512510 (OP)
Ban foreign players everywhere.

>>149515822
Honestly you guys are like some delulu Europeans who think euro basketball is better than the NBA. The money difference is just too much.
As a matter of fact in the next 100 years Saudis have a better chance to stop European club football domination than you do by throwing away their trillions.

>>149512510 (OP)
the only way to become better than euros is to stop selling them players but that will never happen because they pay way too much and even if you don't, they offer way better salaries so players will naturally leave on their own anyway.

you might not even produce as much talent as you do now if the prospect of becoming a rich player in an euro team is not there.

The only real way to compete against europeans is through national teams and even then they just use a bunch of africans for their own teams so it's not really euros vs SA in reality

so like portuanon said, it's all about money in the end

>>149517193
Yeah, it's an unbreakable cycle.
>develop elite latinx players
>Europe buys them for millions
>league quality drops

Then once the players are washed up and in their 30s, they come back to South America for high salaries.

Its over for us.

>>149512510 (OP)
Just give up on clubs. We can only be competitive in the NTs stage. Euro clubs are owned by oil billionaires, there is no way to compete with that.

>>149517193
have you tried not being poor?

>>149518813
Where does this perception come from, not all Euro clubs are owned by billionsires.

>>149521444
it's thirdie cope for their inferority
the sports version of "its daaa CIA/freemasons/jooos/etc" from /int/ or /pol/ or /his/

>>149521424
You are supposed to be rich but your clubs will never be able to compete with them either. The eternal yuro will cheat, they will let arabs buy their clubs just for the sake of maintaining themselves at the top. none their super clubs are playing fair
>bububut we dont care
then your opinion is invalid

>>149521472
I know there are clubs like Lyon, Valencia, Inter and all PL clubs but besides that there are many fan owned clubs in Europe.

>>149521511
we dont care we have lots of sports and we cuck other countries out of their players
you're a thirdie dog so you only have soccer and europeans cuck you out of your players
then you double cuck and watch them in europe lol
absolute state of you retards

>chikaner
ah, forget it

>>149521511
>replying to chikaner
when will you learn anon? it's not even that hard to tell him it's him

>>149521511
>they will let arabs buy their clubs just for the sake of maintaining
Not every club is PSG or City, Jesus Christ. Besides Bayern and Dortmund, I dont think the financial gap between Brasileiro and Bundesliga teams is big. They make most of their revenue from local kit sponsoring, ticket sales and kit sales.

>>149512510 (OP)
I am very interested in this topic and I was going to answer your post genuinely, until I saw that homosexual photo. I hope you contract Orangutan AIDS via your eyes

>>149515803
>>149516970
My problem with this kind of posture is that both sides take these results too seriously. Yesterday's game was a mess for Flamerda, but there are thousands of other factors in play when these teams face each other and one that I barely see mentioned is the stylistic clash.

The top South American teams are able to face most European teams just fine and the group stage wasn't le fluke or because le we don't care, Euros suffered at moments because they didn't know how to handle South American tactics at times, and the opposite obviously also happened. However, you could see that Inter Miami and mexican teams did not have much problem with South Americans, why? Cause they know.

Anyway, this whole discussion is retarded, we all know one of the top 10 clubs in the world is winning this shit.

>>149521578
>Not every club is PSG or City
True, but it only took a handful of clubs pumped full of oil money to blow up the entire market and widen the gap even more. What happens in Germany is quite different from the rest of Europe.

>>149512510 (OP)
For the teams, the issues are obvious and the solutions are simple in theory, stuff like
> create actual team leagues instead of letting everything on the hand of the corrupt federation
> less matches, more organization, better pitches, professional refs, etc
> coaching and player development programs
But they could also get creative and do stuff like
> apply talent export taxes i.e if you sell a player under the age of 20 to another continent you need to pay a % of it back to the league
> regional teams competition focused on player development and exposition during national team dates i.e. north brazil vs argentina b, south brazil vs colombia u23, etc.
> more competitions with invitees i.e invite top 5-15 league teams (if the cwc dies, excluse the top euro teams and organize with everyone else)

Honestly, make the product better, market it, get more money, expose, repeat. As always.

>>149521846

Calling murderball "South American tactics" is absolutely hilarious, ngl.

>>149522114
Try better bait

Create a full American confederation. Let USA, Canadian and Mexican (to a much lesser extend) money pour in. Libertadores. Massive Nations League.

Am i the only one who would like a Franchise player system on all leagues?

>>149522230
>Am i the only one who would like a Franchise player system on all leagues?
What's that

>>149515594
it was you who didn't want to play anymore

>NOOOO stop being rich you need to be poor like us
>Those victories don't count o algo

>>149521846
>The top South American teams are able to face most European teams just fine and the group stage wasn't le fluke or because le we don't care, Euros suffered at moments because they didn't know how to handle South American tactics at times, and the opposite obviously also happened. However, you could see that Inter Miami and mexican teams did not have much problem with South Americans, why? Cause they know.
Cope. Euros don't care and it's life or death for you. Thirdie players are desperate to get a transfer out of their shitholes to play in Europe too

You are inferior. This is your natural state as thirdies

>>149522111
You'll do nothing dog

>>149522230
This would probably require the creation of entire new clubs or a new system apart from the current confederations. No way the people in charge of those organizations are going to want anything like that. I think a soft salary cap and a rigid FFP could save football.