Is it just me or is football tinpot? There is too much variance in results to the point where the "elite" don't really feel elite like in other sports or games. Take chess, it's clear who are the best in the world. Sure, a 2800 elo Magnus Carlsen could lose a game to a 2700 now and then, but it's within the accepted deviation. However Magnus Carlsen would never even draw a game against say a 2200 elo, much less lose. This goes for other sports too. Basketball, Handball, Volleyball, Tennis. In all these, there is clearly an objective metric that determines "elo" of a team, be it physicality, skill, dexterity, IQ, etc. With football, this is not apparent at all. Any team could beat any team on its day, and I'm not talking about a 2200 FM beating a Super GM in chess. In football, the analogy would be closer to a 1200 elo chess beginner beating a GM. It's incredibly tinpot once you think about it long enough. In that sense, football is closer to games like poker than actual sports. Skill and physicality matter, but not as much as luck and other intangible metrics like "Team Synergy" that don't really mean anything, given that the same team could win or lose against "weaker" opponents.

Following all this, you start to realize that football stars are frauds in some sense. Comparing people like Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Haaland, Salah to actual talented individuals like Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Ohtani Shohei, Mohammed Ali, Roger Federer, Magnus Carlsen, who perfected their crafts, having to rely very little on luck or other intangible entropic forces like psychology or team synergy, is frankly insulting. Not only are these frauds carried by an entire team of defenders and midfielders who are usually the unsung heroes, these "star" players can't even guarantee a strong performance or that they won't have a "bad day", and their "bad days" are a lot, for it to become obvious to anybody with a brain that these are not outlier performances but luck taking its course.

>>149534927 (OP)
Thanks for the insight

Thanks ChatGPT.

>>149534927 (OP)
Football is the hardest sport in the world, even the best could not dominate it completely and even with the supposed best coach and billions of dollars it's still not enough to completely dominate and win every game. That's what makes it the beautiful game.

>>149534984
Also you are correct about most superstars being frauds, it's the most team oriented sport where one individual won't make a huge difference compared to other sports.

>>149534927 (OP)
>There is too much variance in results to the point where the "elite" don't really feel elite like in other sports or games.
Please tell me who were the champions in the 10 years of the German League. Or the French one.

>Too much variance
Bruh

>>149534927 (OP)
>However Magnus Carlsen would never even draw a game against say a 2200 elo
wrong
2500 demolishes Carlsen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD6KCxnsQEg
Same tournament, 2300 defeats a 2700: https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=2589993

The only reason why Magnus only loses to super GMs is because he only plays super GMs. These players only play invitationals where they're the only players invited, thus making sure they're the only ones who can score defeats against each other. The only time in recent memory that a bunch of "super GMs" joined an open tournament was in Qatar 2023, and the results are linked above.

tldr

It's almost as if it's a low scoring sport

>>149534927 (OP)
>watching professional commercialised sports
there's your problem.

The way footballs rules are (way too defensive) the better team just gets fucked over a lot of times by luck. Its generally a luck based game because of the rules. If football was a modern video game they would long since have patched some things like goal size. If you watch footy for long enough you know shit is way too inconsistent. You watch 90 minutes of a team being obviously outplayed to hell but because they just dense up in the box they win because they got a lucky penalty by some retarded handball.

HOWEVER if you ever played football as a kid and were talented you know football is a total nepobaby sport. I had no chance because the trainers didnt like my parents. Maybe if you are exceptional like messi, but even then messi barely made it with their heigth concerns.

Considering how much football pros train, their performances are however fucking pathetic compared to any bigger sports pros. If you take tabletennis for example, these niggers are basically inhumane even at semi pro level while you have a 15 million earning leeroy sane that cannot score in 1v1s that I imagine I would at least score 1 out of 4. I cannot say this about any other pro level situation like that.

>>149534927 (OP)
you sound like you enjoy getting pegged

>>149534927 (OP)
The problem with CALCIO is that it's really tough to make extensive statistics for it.
Baseball is the most stats heavy sport in the world (because every moment in baseball is discrete and measurable, it's a turn-based sport afterall), therefore it's much easier to evaluate players. You can tell someone's really good or really bad by just looking at his numbers.

But football/calcio/sucker is an extremely fluid sport. If Guy Dude scores a goal, you go "Guy Dude scored a goal, he must be good!" but how can you tell he was able to score thanks to that exact formation of his team? Maybe next game there are different center-fielders and Guy Dude can't score anymore.
No stats also means it's hard to tell if a guy is tending towards getting better or towards getting worse.
This means when managers buy players they go by fame, which is not a good indicator of player strength.

Basically the entire world of sports went balls to the wall with statistics, and le beautiful sport got left behind in the world of "is he good? i 'unno he's famous".
This wasn't such a big deal in the past because teams were a lot more in-house. But now that every single team has random ass foreign players grabbed randomly from the rest of the world, this lack of stats is really hurting

>>149534927 (OP)
>Zoomer can't think
1. Controlling the ball with your legs is difficult than with your hands.
2. Football is more dynamic

>>149536697
Stats are a meme. Football is like real life where even though there are principles with predictive power, there's too much variables affecting the details that you really can't call each moment.

>>149536725
>stats are a meme
>football has too many variables
So which is it?
You are implying that if football had less variables it'd be easier to predict. You know what that is? Statistics.

>>149536697
Wrong. Trying to evaluate football players almost exclusively by stats (which is happening noeadays) created a horrible feedback loop of statpadders taking 0 risk and the result is the gay ass shit we see in modern football. Just pass it sideways for the 100th time. At leadt my completed passes% is 95+%, anf the retarded pseudo intell3ctual assisten coaches will stfu about you in the next video analysis, after all you did what they told you.
Fuck this shit the magic is gone thanks to statfags.

>>149536705
are you done spamming your PL shittery now that el baldo got slapped around by camel fuckers?

>>149536770
>Trying to evaluate football players almost exclusively by stats went bad
And why do you think? Because stats for football are trash.
Goddamn dude, can't you fucking read?

>>149536804
No, stats in almost all sports team sports is bad. Kill yourself frog. Stats are just retarded. You will never be able to put game sense into a stat. You say football has no objective stats, so clubs go by who is famous or perception. But that is wrong. Clubs buy based on stats.

>>149537046
Is football the only sport you watch? Be honest.

>>149537046
>anon doesn't know about pre-scans
ngmi

>>149534927 (OP)

>>149537195
No. The only time stats are relevant are single player sportd like tennis, tabletennis, motorsport etc. Kys retard.

>>149537909
>The only time stats are relevant
So you finally agree with my point that football's problem is it can't have reliable stats.
Goddamn you're dumb

>>149538439
Kek pastanigger. That was not your (entire) point. You are implying stats in other team sports are so much more useful, when they simple are not.

>>149538554
Really, how are stats not useful in American Football or Baseball

>>149538554
Oh and Basketball. How are stats not useful in the one sport that got shifted a TON by them?
Fucking idiot speaking about shit he knows nothing about. Get your midwit Dunning-Kruger ass back to driving a forklift

> Ohtani Shohei
Baseball is probably more random than footy. To the point that they need to play tons of matches to decide what is the best team.

I don't get what is bad about a sport being unpredictable. It gives hope that the shitty team you root for can win something someday. Yeah, it can be cool seeing Djokovic, Federer and Nadal beating everyone 99% of the time but don't expect this to generate passion in the average Joe like footy does.

>>149534927 (OP)
>ELO Ranking
Always number 1 in my book
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9nkzaOPP6g

>>149534927 (OP)
People can have a bad day in any sport or competition.
Teams sports always include more vague metrics like "team synergy", it's just that higher scoring sports will average out their scores to the expectations.
Not to mention that coaches are more limited since it's hard to meaningfully change the strategy they planned for the game other than at half time, whereas you can change your strategy on the fly in individual sports or with a few words (and/or with time outs) in other team sports that have fewer players in smaller arenas (and/or have time outs).

>>149535782
>>149534927 (OP)
The problem with the elo comparison is that there's no guarantee that the current elo of a player is accurate with their current ability. If they have played few players in official matches lately, or if they've been playing exclusively with players that are too different in label (i.e. losing a lot against way more skilled players, or winning a log against less skilled players), their elo might not have yet caught up with their current level.

>>149536725
>there's too much variables affecting the details that you really can't call each moment.
That's literally what Giacomo said

didn't read a single word

>>149535142
>Bruh
stop talking like a nigger

>>149551631
blud ain't letting my nigga cook fr

>>149534927 (OP)
Oh shit FOOTball. I was reading this wrong until you mentioned Messi

>>149536771
>>149536737
Here's your (you) donatelli

>>149562920
you've been utterly owned, obsessed gorilla ape

>>149536697
speaking of "he scored a goal he must be good" the single stupidest aspect of soccer to me, and there's several, is that penalty kicks can be taken by someone other than the person who was fouled. i literally watched a clip the other day about messi's brilliant hat trick and 2 of the goals were penalty kicks for someone elses drawn foul. then to compound the sillyness of course, penalty kicks in soccer are absurdly easy to score. makes me wonder if any stats were kept for the top scorers of all time the GOATS showing how many of their career goals came by free goals like this. its like those fat running backs in football like jerome bettis who made a whole career of running the ball 1 yard at the goal line after the actually skillful runningback worked it all the way down the field.

chess is not a sport lad

thats why it isnt in the olympics and in 2025 its clearly rigged

>>149538877
90% of people here just can't understand what they read, it's baffling