Give me one logical reason why this isn't the most prestigious trophy in club football.

Because you're a stupid Brit just looking for >yous

>>149778874
You (You) don’t get (You)’s from being the OP though

>>149778827 (OP)
it's the fourth most important club trophy after the PL, FA Cup, and EFL Cup

It is, people just don't want to accept it yet. It has massive prize money now. Once a team like Real Madrid or Bayern Munich win it everyone will act like it is the biggest trophy of all time.

>>149778827 (OP)
Because 3rd-world teams with no money can never have a chance to win it.

You'd just buy out our whole team then use it against us.

>>149778827 (OP)
Not enough European teams in it.
No Liverpool, Barcelona and so on.

Is the FA Cup more prestigious than the PL because you add more teams in it? No, a cup is more prestigious depending on the average quality of the teams.

>>149777777
Just wanted to see what got

>>149778827 (OP)
Ok, I'll bite.

It's too new of a tournament, it's literally the first iteration ffs. It needs more time, more winners, etc. to even start competing against the Champions League.

As some anons have pointed in other threads, Chelsea winning it might actually help the CWC's prestige since it provides Chelsea with bragging rights, rights that other English clubs will want for themselves as well. Once Euro teams actually start caring and giving the tournament the seriousness it deserves, it will then reach this goal. But not now, it's too soon for that.

>>149778984
The FA Cup was the most prestigious trophy in England for about a century, Then the Premier League was created and offered more money instead, teams started to snub the FA cup in favour of reaching a higher league position instead. The Club World Cup now pays more than the Champions League. Nobody took the Champions League seriously when it first started, Chelsea would have been the first English team to play in it too, but the FA didn't allow them it because they didn't want to recognise it as a legitimate competition.

>>149778940
Don't forget countries with amateurish teams that are teachers, hairdressers n shit kek

It will be at some point, provided it keeps the same amount of money prizes (adjusted for inflation maybe) AND being played once every four years.

>>149778827 (OP)
Because the CL exists

>>149780854
>>149779852

This all hinges on sudacas actually. If they keep caring enough this will also help the momentum and prestige of the CWC

>>149778827 (OP)
Questionable team choices and too big of a budget gap between UEFA and other federations
It has potential though

>>149778827 (OP)
because it's a competition no one cares about and in about 2 weeks no one will remember who won it

>>149779066
This is actually well said. The only thing I would add is that the tournament was held in America and I feel like that delegitimizes it in some people's minds

>>149778984
Is the Community Shield more prestigious than the Premier League?

>>149781410
It only de-legitimizes it because people hate the US. Everyone blaming the US for stuff like the climate, when FIFA was in charge of scheduling. All of that was FIFA's fault. Matches should've been played at 9 PM if they were to be played on Weekdays because that's after work, stadiums most likely get filled and less euros falling over due to heat exhaustion. The only reason it didn't happen was because FIFA wanted the Euros to not have to be up at ungodly hours, as if the rest of the world didn't have to do that when the World Cup was hosted in Germany, or Russia, or Korea, or Qatar.

>>149778827 (OP)
Making it a continuation of the previous annual CWC where the winner only had to play 2 matches ruined its prestige

>>149781644
it's not a continuation tho, at least not officially: FIFA retconned it so that Chelsea are the first ever world champions, everyone who won the previous format is now considered "intercontinental champions"

>>149781581
I was also speaking more to the fact that the tournament was being held in a country that for the most part doesn’t care about the sport at least not as much as some other sports. I may be off thou

>>149781710
FIFA considers it as such though. Real Madrid won the reintroduced Intercontinental Cup, hence why they have that badge. Man City were the last CWC champions and FIFA Recognizes them.

If this format gains steam though then FIFA will just do what UEFA did with the Champions League. Where they are recognized and all but let the fans sperg out about "Pre and Post" CWC Expansion.

>>149781718
We've hosted the World Cup before though. And Soccer has grown in the country both in terms of our own player quality and popularity of the sport. MLS was founded because of the 94' World Cup. It's grown substantially in popularity, the issue that it's not our #1 sport and that issue will exist until baseball dies and the NFL starts to lose steam (It will happen with Goodell regardless of 'muh revenue' numbers)
Otherwise if you check attendance numbers the MLS is doing decent numbers overall. USL is going to go for a Division 1 Sanctioned license from the USSF too. People do care about the sport here, just not in droves like the NFL or NBA. Though hopefully the sport will overtake boreswing sooner rather than later fuck that fat dominican spic bat swinging sport.

>>149781710
I don't think they have retconned it... yet

>>149778914
>It has massive prize money now
Not when you divide it by 4 years.

What are the greatest English clubs of all time lads? I'd say it goes:

Manchester United
Liverpool
Arsenal
Chelsea
Man City

What you reckon?

>>149778827 (OP)
how long has it been around

>>149778827 (OP)

>>149778827 (OP)
Cuz those American clubs are literally beneath the average quality of euro football that’s all

>>149781756
they tweeted about it
go check their official account

>>149781756
>>149782149
for some reason i couldnt download x pic so i stole this from some asian dude

Because it has no history or legacy behind it.
It's like whatever skyscrapers Dubai build vs the Empire State Building: one took the collective ingenuity of centuries of engineers and the blood and sweat of the workers of the country to build. The others were designed by foreigners, engineered by foreigners, built by foreigners and paid for by money made mostly by foreigners.

>>149778827 (OP)
Because as of right now unless you're intellectually honest or a Chelsea fan you're seething
The frogs especially, they thought they were on top of the world before even winning the damn thing, as of right now they have as many Champions League trophies as Steaua Bucharest and they got humbled in the final and then chimped out
Real Madrid got humiliated, Bayern lost and had one of their stars broken, Inter and Juventus got knocked out early and Man City got kicked out by the original Oil FC
So everyone is seething mad and they're trying to downplay the win

>>149782459
I think Burj Al-Arab is pretty cool.

>>149782518
>they have as many Champions League trophies as Steaua Bucharest
They also still need to win the Supercup to have as many European trophies as them.

>>149778827 (OP)
Too new and uncertain.
If Infantino plays his cards well and the next editions address concerns and succeed, it will probably become the most prestigious trophy by its second or third edition.

>>149782518
I'm intellectually honest and I'm still seething that we were deprived of really good match ups that included Liverpool, Arsenal, Barcelona and others due to the artificial 2-club per country limit.
If not for that I'd have very few complaints.

>>149782593
Chelsea qualifying because of something they achieved 4 years ago also feels wrong.

It will be. Imagine as the seasons pass and we start talking more and more about teams that will or will not qualify for the next edition. Fans and players will start to get anxious for their team to be in it. Miss out and you will have to wait another four years.
Very few players will have won it. All this will give the tournament a lot of prestige and value. It will already be talked about as the biggest trophy in world club football next time it comes around.

>>149782598
That part I'm actually ok with.
If you just grabbed the clubs performing well in the current season, you wouldn't have surprises like Chelsea's win this time.
I think it's very fair that just like an atrocious season last year can leave you trapped in Conference league and unable to play for UCL, a trophy win a few years ago can give you a chance to play at a higher tournament in a different time cycle.
The problem is in leaving out the clubs that are actually doing well right now only because other clubs from their same country did well a few years ago.

i know it doesn't matter because it didn't hurt when we lost

>>149778827 (OP)
Europeans don’t care

>>149782593
This is a very good point, but it follows the admission rules that FIFA is putting for the national teams world cup as well
Are you really telling me Uzbekistan and Jordan deserve to be there on merit while UEFA only gets 16 spots?
>>149782598
Chelsea won the Conference League this year as well
Just let in the winners of all the previous European trophies
That way we get Atalanta vs Tottenham, which sounds like a fun match

Nobody cares about it's it's just another version of the Audi Cup only with worse attendance.
It's glorified friendlies inflated with oil money.

>>149782711
>Are you really telling me Uzbekistan and Jordan deserve to be there on merit while UEFA only gets 16 spots?
Honestly I have no idea. Probably not but since Uzbekistan and Jordan don't play UEFA qualifiers or competitions we cannot know, and there has to be a cut off somewhere.
But European clubs do play each other in UEFA competitions, and we know for a fact that Barcelona or Liverpool are better teams and will always be better teams than RB Salzburg.
The equivalent to the NT WC slots for UEFA is the 12 slots given to European clubs, which I could hear you argue whether they should be less or more, but the 2-club-per-country limit is no defendable at all in my opinion when you're already using a continent-wide points system to pick the clubs.
>Just let in the winners of all the previous European trophies
This could work but it'd be a bit unfair since the CWC only happens once every 4 years, so you'd miss out if your good season doesn't coincide with a CWC year.

Imagine if an NFL team won the Super Bowl, then had to play the best American football team in Asia to be crowned “world champions”. People would still care more about the Super Bowl, because even if it only makes you the champion of America, everybody knows that the champion of America would obliterate the Guangzhou Dragons or the New Delhi Patriots or whatever. The “more prestigious” tournament would just be a formality in practice. Even if the Super Bowl winners lost somehow, people would just lose faith in the tournament rather than decide American football was now a global sport where the best teams are all equal.

>>149778827 (OP)
>prestigious
>non-euros invited
Yikes
ick

>>149782923
>This could work but it'd be a bit unfair since the CWC only happens once every 4 years, so you'd miss out if your good season doesn't coincide with a CWC year.
I mean allow the winners in the last 4 years
That's 12 teams that are all winners, if some teams get repeat wins you let in the clubs with the highest UEFA coefficient
I do think that 5 CONCACAF teams are too many, but I guest as the hosts they got more spots
>>149783018
But PSG got spanked by a European team, a team that they didn't even face in the UCL because they had a bad year and didn't qualify
And Chelsea won the Conference League, they absolutely are deserving champions, and got crowned as the deserving best team in the world

>>149782593
Uh? But weren't there three Brazilian teams?

>>149783108
You're talking to people in full cope mode.

They don't care that this tournament was pure kino and still increase in value each iteration not to mention the cash prize for only a month long tournament. Chelsea winning is the only reason posters won't care. Entire board has hated chelsea since the order that we win win them posts by some name fag back after chelsea first ucl win.

>>149783234
There were 4 Brazilian teams, but only because they got direct spots by each winning the Libertadores cup.
The 2-per-country limit is when qualifying through federation coefficients (points), which is why a 5th Brazilian team (Atletico Mineiro) was still left out despite doing better than both Boca and River in the last 4 years.

>>149778827 (OP)
It isn't the most mass advertised by corporations to be portrayed as significant like World Cup or UEFA Champions League

>>149783234
4 Brazilian teams
The 2 club per country limit is for UEFA only

>>149778827 (OP)
Because even qualification is out of reach for 99.9% of teams so they simply won't care about it

>>149783325
>The 2 club per country limit is for UEFA only
This is not true.
If the last 4 UCL champions had been Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Nottingham Forest, those 4 would have been present in this CWC.

>>149778914
Madrid has won it 5 times

>>149783881
Not anymore if the rumours of the rebranding of previous CWCs as intercontinental cups is true (in which case they'd have won those 6 times counting this year's).

>>149778827 (OP)
Have you seen Chelsea's path to the final? Conference league tier
Just because its only played every 4 years doesnt make it better, the CL level is way above this

>>149784197
If this is true why did the ucl champion get bent over? The conference leauge team spanked them and one peasant looking guy made the Euro champ quake in their boots every time he touched the ball. Psg is a fake treble champion. Chelsea is 100x more SOVL

>>149783881
what Real Madrid won was some Mickey Mouse bullshit. the IC Cup maybe, not the real CWC. Chelsea are the first ever World Champions

>>149784532
and PSG beat two teams that finished above Chelsea.

>>149778827 (OP)
It doesn't assemble the best teams in the world, it assembles some of the best teams based on achievements from years ago while leaving multiple champions out for various and honestly arbitrary reasons. Also, it takes place in the middle of the European season break
It also still lacks overall prestige, but that can theoretically be changed over time. Nevertheless, it is essentially a CL appendix: with the financial gap between the elite of Europe and the global rest, it still remains a confirmation run for the CL champions - albeit not as egregious as the old format in that regard. The CL is undoubtedly better at determining the best in Europe since it features every top league champion and all the challengers. You cannot say the same about the new CWC
It's the most prestigious on paper since world > Europe, but that's it. No one in their right mind would call it the most prestigious, and there are structural reasons for that

>>149778827 (OP)
because the CL exists

>>149785311
Oh, and FIFA retroactively pretending that there weren't any Club World Championships before this one only shows their desperation. The old format was at least honest: it took place once a year and featured the current continental champions, so the peak of every confederation. Purely sports-based, it has a higher value than the new format where the four-year cycle and the "quali" format lock out various elite clubs and get others in because of things that might be long gone already. This new format brings in more hype since you have more clubs, like multiple European giants instead of one, but it doesn't help answer the question of who is the best in the world any better than the CL or the old format

>>149785264
They beat Manchester City too in the league phase.
>>149784197
That's your takeaway? You'd maybe have a point if they parked the bus and got lucky against PSG, but they dominated the very same PSG that had dominated every big team in Europe during the latter half of the season.
They were aided in having weaker opponents, but not because they wouldn't have reached the final otherwise, but rather because they masked how capable they were against serious opposition. Luis Enrique clearly didn't take them as seriously as he did Bayern or Real Madrid.
>>149785311
>for various and honestly arbitrary reasons
There's only one reason: the arbitrary 2 clubs per country limit.
Remove that and you'd have had about the same level as the UCL from R16 onwards, and no title contenders would have been left out of the competition.

>>149778914
Yeah once I found out Man City got like £50 million for doing fuck all it became very clear that it's gonna be a massive massive competition really quickly

Should be every 2 years not 4 though imo

>>149778827 (OP)
I cant.

>>149785942
It’s the combination of the two team limit and the four year cycle, which isn’t a good idea for clubs because of how fast-paced the change for clubs is compared to national teams
The coefficient alone would already raise some eyebrows, but the combination is toxic

>>149778984
>The Intercontinental Cups were the most prestigious tournaments
>The Nations League is more prestigious than the World Cup

Glorified Audi Cup

>Champions League but worse

>>149785311
>while leaving multiple champions out for various and honestly arbitrary reasons
absolute fucking mong detected. saying teams should qualify based on national achievements is like saying brazilian teams should qualify for the copa libertadores based on their state championship achievements. kys, retard

>>149778827 (OP)
No history, scheduled at a terrible time at a terrible location for competitive integrity, Mickey Mouse format, players had to be forced to participate because they just straight up didn't care about the tournament, not as competitively strong as the CL, many of the best teams in the world right now weren't participating.

>>149778827 (OP)
Chelsea fans would trade this trophy for a third CL

>>149781885
Preston North End
Aston Villa
Newton Heath
Everton
Wanderers

>>149782558
Designed and engineered by brits, built by nepalese slave laborers.

>>149781885
Liverpool and ManUtd:
>tied with record number of top flight league titles
>ManUtd leads on FA cups
>Liverpool leads with record number of league cups
>Liverpool leads with record number (among English clubs) of UCLs, Europa Leagues and UEFA super cups
>ManUtd leads on Cup Winners' Cups
>tied on FIFA CWC (old format)
>ManUtd leads on Intercontinental cups (old format)
>ManUtd has more relegations
>ManUtd's titles are mostly condensed to Ferguson's time as a manager there
In what way is ManUtd greater than Liverpool?
Arsenal and Chelsea:
>Arsenal leads top flight league titles
>Arsenal leads with record number of FA cups
>Chelsea leads on league cups
>Chelsea leads on UCLs, Cup Winners' Cups, Europa Leagues, Conference Leagues, UEFA super cups and FIFA CWC (old format)
>Chelsea leads with record number of FIFA CWC (new format)
>Chelsea has more relegations
>Chelsea's titles are mostly condensed to recent times after Roman Abramovich's purchase of the club
Arsenal was historically greater but I think Chelsea has a good argument for having surpassed them in recent times with all their international success.

>>149794458
>Chelsea's titles are mostly condensed to recent times after Roman Abramovich's purchase of the club
I feel too many zoomers don't know about this, they had more relegations than league titles before Abramovich.

>>149794500
I think that's a very easy fact to find out considering it is known that every English club has been relegated at least once and Chelsea only had 1 title before Abramovich

>>149779011
>heh... my boy CWC... he just needs more time

>>149778827 (OP)
it is now
shame it wasen't a thing (in this format) for the last 30ish years, the 2013 and 2009 editions would've been kino

>>149778827 (OP)
>new tournament
>created by corrupt president
>funded by saudi arabia
this is why, but give it a few decades and people will begin to accept it

>>149778827 (OP)
Because it's ugly as hell. It should have been a cup. What the fuck were they thinking?

>>149778827 (OP)
>>149792595

>>149778827 (OP)
No one cares, but i Guess that could chance when given a few years

>>149795828
It's extremely weird but the people are ok with the oil money in epl so this is the same, football is Saudi Arabian now
Honestly no one should watch or follow this stuff anyway but everyone does, and now especially the game has gotten uglier

>>149795886
baxk in the day it was half of england bandwagoning and dumping money into man u, same with buyern in germant recently and other places. your problem isn't teams having an advantage with money, it's the fact that it's one brown dude 2k miles away doing it. I'm fine if that's your point but it's moronic when people think players haven't been mercenaries for a solid 50 years now

>>149795925
Yeah of course, it's not some brown dude though it's arabs specifically
Why should I think that's a good thing
It leaves a bad feeling

>>149782669
Your fans and president didn't seem to think so.

>>149795886
Sounds like bitter cope

>>149779011
it will never fly, i still remember when people called the intercontinental cup the toyota cup to mock it, when the cwc started no one cared and everyone used it to dunk on the european team if they lost. in the end a european team won like always has and always will. we already have a competition for this

also the qualification method is retarded, chelsea qualified 4 years ago, imagine qualifying for the 2026 world cup in 2022, it's stupid, the only good thing is that now clubs only have to worry about this schlock for 3 weeks every 4 years

>>149797644
>imagine qualifying for the 2026 world cup in 2022, it's stupid
that's literally how it worked during 70 years, zoom zoom

>>149798842
show me the wc where teams qualified to playing it 4 years before

>>149798866
>https://www.goal.com/en/news/do-world-cup-hosts-automatically-qualify-for-the-tournament/blt550ef68c6581844bDo World Cup winners automatically qualify for the next tournament?
>Defending World Cup champions were given the right to automatically qualify for the next competition between 1938 and 2002

>>149798866
>https://www.goal.com/en/news/do-world-cup-hosts-automatically-qualify-for-the-tournament/blt550ef68c6581844b
>Do World Cup winners automatically qualify for the next tournament?
>Defending World Cup champions were given the right to automatically qualify for the next competition between 1938 and 2002

>>149798842
Kek

>>149778827 (OP)
Mickey mouse qualification and quota of teams from shitholes

>>149778827 (OP)
It's number 2 behind champions league. If liverpool, barca and napoli were participating this year, i would actually say CWC is more prestigious.

Holding a club competition once every 4 years is idiotic

>>149784643
Pfffff jajajajaj

>>149778827 (OP)
>no one cares
>beating asian and african teams is meaningless
>beating north american is generally meaningless
>beating sudaca teams is mostly meaningless
>fuck you Gianni

>>149778827 (OP)
Auckland City

>>149799272
that's the defending champion and the host, no qualifying team has ever been qualified 4 years in advance, because it's stupid. here there's no defending champion and infantino already invited his boyfriend as wild card

It's already equivalent to the CL.

The only thing missing is the automatic qualification for the next tournament upon winning it (or getting a guaranteed CL qualification for the season after next; i.e. Chelsea winning should give them a guaranteed CL place for 2026/27.

Without that, it's still a bit "exhibitiony".

>>149811245
It's official, I'm afraid.
Better luck in 4 years time!

>>149811518
They qualified for something they did 4 years ago, how is it any different?

>>149812817
the difference is that you're a fucking spic, how dare you contradict a fellow white man like that?!

it's an invitational, that already makes it a joke

>>149814780
Don't look up how teams qualified to the first World Cup and European Cup