STOP YOU VIOLATED THE LAW edition

Infinity is a 28mm tabletop skirmish game produced by Corvus Belli, and includes the related games Aristeia, Defiance, TAG Raid, REM Racers, and Acheron's Fall. Corvus Belli also produces the fantasy games Warcrow and Warcrow Adventures.

>Latest official update:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NJLRG4skDMY

>Rules and missions:
https://infinitythewiki.com/index.php
https://infinitytheuniverse.com/resources
https://infinitytheuniverse.com/games/infinity/its

>Beginner FAQs and guides:
https://pastebin.com/x06JG55U
https://pastebin.com/xtQzRcq5
https://pastebin.com/xUBR7QFU

>Model identifiers (what each faction can take):
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1T2IiNCg093KtAte3Pvry-OaHyk59ZzlH

>Corvus Belli AI that you shouldn't ask rules questions:
https://infinityuniverse.ai/

>Semi-unofficial catalogue of fluff, dossiers, and unit models:
https://human-sphere.com/index.php

>Unit Dossiers archive:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1YlopTsqhvT4yfgsEAYr6L_XxJ4Ovc7a0

>Books:
https://mega.nz/folder/NkglXaCD#Kj16fd7nQhEcaId8hKD4oA

>Infinity Army (official list-builder app) and hacking helper:
https://infinitytheuniverse.com/army-app
https://www.captainspud.com/n4/

Previous thread:
>>95373234

Thread Question:
Best and Worst faction to be arrested by in the Human Sphere?

>>95698664 (OP)
Sheit I forgot to change the last thread.
LAST THREAD
>>95518683
>>95518683

>>95698664 (OP)
> TQ
best? Probably 012 they have to at least kinda pretend to care about human rights
Worst? I don't know maybe CA the morats will probably eat you or something. Or the Nomads when the Mexicans just open the airlock and kill you.

Odalisques are for ______

>>95698714
providing security to VIPs

>>95698714
Never getting a model remake because CB is too PC for the cheese cake now that's it's a big boy company

>>95698714
Sitting in my backlog, it seems.

>>95698684
There’s like a 70% chance that Nomads will give you a cool gun and a cocktail of combat drugs if they arrest you, which is a win in my book. Worst is without a doubt CA, with YJ being a distant second. Ariadna’s might be a contender, depending on the seriousness of your crimes; you might get a talking to from an overworked Merovingian bureaucrat or sentenced to hard labor in a Tartarian tessium mine… or you might get handed over to Warcrimes Pete for an afternoon of fun.

>>95698714
degens

>>95698636
Normoid market is huge

>>95699161
Some of these companies need to accept 'normoids' are never going to be interested, full stop
It needs to cash in harder on the weebs (unfortunately since weebs are fucking retards and generally trash).

>>95667791
>>95667796
>>95667807
>>95667852
Same anon from last thread, would anyone have the lore bits for these?

>>95698871
YJ I think it's normal for average crimes but the YJ extremes definitely earn them second place. Kuang shi, Wu Ming, concentration camps (like that island with japanese on it), shipped off to hard labor on an asteroid

How is N5? Is it a good moment for getting into Infinity?
I have a quite big pile of old Aleph stuff I bought with N4 in mind but life went crazy and I never had a chance to work on it. Would you recommend Infinity as it is right now to people who have time only for one (1) game and can't dip into multiple projects?

>>95702049
The Competitive players, the people from Barcelona that play monthly tournaments said that the game has never been in a better state regarding rules balance, addressing grey areas and that stuff.

As a casual player I can say ... yes, it's Ok. But it is a very demanding game. It's overwhelming and loaded of stuff. Once you reach the point of playing it fluently knowing all the shenanigans it brings joy and satisfaction but it's climbing up a hill, really.

>>95702210
>>95702049
To be fair, you can lighten the rules judiciously to learn the ropes, adding more stuff later on.

Does anyone else play the RPG or is it just me? Then again, I discovered infinity by stumbling on the RPG by pure chance

>>95702991
It's one of those games I've been wanting to play for a while, but it's not D&D or a derivative so no one I know is interested.

>>95703771
>Dnd limbo
True hell. They won't even try to play it?

>>95702049
I see a lot of new and returning players lately.

N5 is not good. 15 model limit (just like n4) limits armies using cheap light infantary.

lots of unit profiles and armies deleted

model availability for purchase is a mess.
example guhlam expansion box contains deleted sniper.

lots of wisiwig weapons sculpted and no longer have unit profiles.

if you want to play and use fire teams there are many models missing that make the fire team worth taking. example myuib with light smoke grenade launcher. old model awesom, no new model. now i cant lead the fire team out of deployment zone under the cover of smoke.

quality of sculpts has been hit and miss since just after defiance. example the long wang tag has a shield on its left fore arm. in the past it would be sculpted seperately. now u have its fingers poking out of the shield, ie require u to paint a shadow.

personaly
i think theses sub par sculpting techniques will flatline infinity sales.

as for pricing and the debate over metal if u take the new iss box and look at the amount of metal in the robot dragon and the remote thats about the amount u need for a tag.

the buisness investment in alternative goop was a mistake. its just led to sub standard sculpts.


as for the rules, infinity has been no less complex since 3rd edition. we still have layered rules, and more so than 3rd ed.
3rd ed special rule lvl2 grants lvl1, so u have to read the rule book for that not just the wiki.

5th ed this weapon has -save, you unit profile grants +1 burst etc. so layering ontop of the core weapon rules.

the main complexity of infinity is all of the base game mechanics. putting it all togther and writing a list that you know how to use and executing it to a scenraio is difficult however this whole experince hasnt really been streamlined since 3rd ed.

i would like to see the comand token eliminated and replaced with multiple lt orders for active turn gameplay, thus eliminating a pre-game mechanic and streamlining startup of a game.

>>95707297
>15 model limit (just like n4) limits armies using cheap light infantary.
Kurwa!

do you have a problem with more than 15 models, or do u have a problem with lots of camo? articulate yourself a bit

>>95707297
Why do you format your text like you are having a stroke?

>>95707904
More than 15 models would only invalidate smaller, elite armies more than it already does. It's already extremely debatable to ever consider not going full 15 models all the time, imagine if some armies can get more. You either pick an army that drowns the opponent in orders, or you don't have fun because you won't get to play

So Code One is not a thing anymore, is it?

You have just explained why the 15 model limit sucks the fun out of the game. Back in N2 or N3 we didn't have this problem of people being too shit scared to play against 20 model lists, while fielding 9-10 dudes.
That being said, I'd be pretty happy with heaps of changes to the game, like removing tactical awareness, and the whole command token system, so maybe I'm not representative of a normal player.

>>95709215
Meant for >>95708570

>>95709215
I don't understand why the limit removes the fun, if without a limit people would still try to shove as many people in (just like they do now with the 15 limit) and would exacerbate lower order lists being drowned.
Right now it's "if you don't hit the limit, you're more than likely rocking a weak, subpar list", which would become "if you don't optimize the fun out of the game by maximizing model count, you're rocking a weak, subpar list"

>>95700853
Same anon from last thread.
I'm currently at work, i'll post today or tomorrow, so check back later.

>>95702049
Infinity can be complex, but that complexity mainly comes from unit rules and learning your options.
If you and your friend circle stick with models who have few special rules at first and then gradualy introduce new ones, it should work out fine.

>>95708766
No, code one didn't carry over to n5 because according to CB most people learned the game by having veteran players teach them the normal rules in small steps, so code one missed the point

>>95709215
Nah, I was "Do you really have to be like this?" every time some troll would walz England still won or other spam list.

>>95709592
Imo they should have made it for casual players who don't want to chase the meta instead of training wheels for noobs. Most of the rules implemented, but fewer and more generic profiles.

>>95708482
>Jon from Human Resources
New lore just dropped!

I haven't yet played with my YJ in N5, is this pack worthwhile for WB/IA?

>>95709780
Forgot the picture

>>95709780
>>95709786
If you like the models. The profiles are meh.
Gudan are decent. They can sit in camo and help guard your DZ while generating orders, but that's about it.
YinShe are sub-par. They can bully cheap models with MSV but don't really have any other tricks. Pretty expensive for a profile that isn't durable and only is occasionally useful. If you run into a high armor MSV model a K1 sniper with Albedo-6 is great, but will that happen enough to be worth it?

The Yin-She model is super cool tho.

Since fucking when do multi weapons also get shock

>>95710467
Since like first edition?

>>95710520
Surely you're gaslighting me. Didn't multi weapons in N4 only have DA and AP?

>>95710792
Nah, AP/Shock for Multi Rifle and MultiHMG, MultiSnipers have varied a bit. I think at the very beginning in the first rules leaflet the Multirifles shock ammunition was the burst 1 mode, it got later buffed to DA and shock was moved to burst 3.

>>95709780
Don't listen to this retard >>95709977 he doesn't know shit about the game.
The gudan are now a new staple for vanilla, WB and IA, but keep in mind they sit in camo most of the game, so you may just proxy them.
You take either the 12 or 13pts loadout, with switch on now no longer automatic the 12pts is arguably stronger.
The yin-she is indeed bad though, but at least the model is cool.

>>95711166
Is 28 points for a K1 marksman bad?

>>95708482
Hey Nourkias...
Lay off the people...

>>95708482
#mpreg

>>95698714
Passionate, sweaty handholding
Still some of my favourite models and still could be interesting gameplaywise, as they are the closest that we have to 40k tarpits in Infinity.
I'd say sadly we won't see an update, but CB doesn't do attractive models anymore so this might not be a curse after all.
I just hope they don't get cut.

>>95713855
Nah, O-12 still gets cuties

Want to play infinity so bad but no one to play with...

>>95719947
Tabletop simulator is there for us loners

>>95720194
That's the issue. Even online friends don't want to play infinity, they don't like wargames

>>95720575
Find new friends.

>>95720733
I'm tired of making new friends. I've got friends who like everything but the specific wargames I like (infinity and heavy gear). I can get them to try almost anything but they don't stick with it

>>95702049
I'm learning to play, and stripping back the rules and slowly adding them bit by bit makes it very digestible, it's a very bad idea to try to rawdog the full rules from game 1, there is simply too much stuff amd too many things to control simultaneously if you are not used to the core procedures.

>>95709215
Lmao at this gross pollack.

>>95709780
>>95709786
Gudan are absolutely worth it for IA and WB.
The other guy is trash but whatever

>>95709786
I was all ready to join the parade of shitting on the silver snake (Yin She) but...
Maybe 30 pts and only .5 SWC for a sapper K1 Sniper isn't ... Bad?
It has Albedo -6 as well, so it's a sniper that most snipers don't really want to gunfight. Almost any sniper will be -6 against it (either the Albedo or the sapper state's mimetism and partial cover).
Anyone else have any thoughts?

>>95723440
I think it's just somewhat subpar, and not some objectively always useful specialist. So in casual games it's definitely more than viable, but in a competitive environment there's way better stuff as you have to optimize.
For me, as always, looks >>> stats. It looks fucking baller, so I will use it

>>95722731
Then stop complaining.
>but I like to compla-
Then do it somewhere else.

>>95723378
NTA, but I'd like to chime in that Brutal Force events (basically 300pt limited insertion with combat/area control scenarios) were loads of fun because it upended the meta and people could bring out the TAGs/HI links they normally hardly ever fielded. I know that complaining about everything is practically a Polish national pastime, but that's not all there is to us.

>>95720194
How do you handle the more tricky LoS and ranging situations in TTS? Like measuring from the top of a silhouette? So far we've been eyeballing it by putting the camera behind the mini and seeing from there. Another issue is diagonal movement with jumping

>>95712198
It is. Because it's on a 4-4 single-wound piece with barebones bs13 in 90% cases. Also it's 29pts
>>95723440
It would be really cool if they added "FTO" to the sapper loadout, because just a single die on ARO is not worth it.
Compare it to Nikoul who brings a mine, an msv1 and an extra wound — and he's not even that good this edition because of viral nerf and the existence of some really strong active albedo shooters.
Speaking of, if you want a good active albedo shooter in WB you just take Lei Gong.

Bullying PanO nerds and dating their sisters while they seethe and cope in their blue armors.

>>95726679
This post was brought to you by Bakunin-gang.

>>95726618
B-but he looks so cool...

In other news, just found out how badly they fucking butchered Crane operatives. What's this junk?

>>95726827
Then just take the cheapest version, that guy is a specialist with d-charges and can occasionally shoot some riot gurl with his e/mitter, also slots into your general WB core. You could do worse for 22pts.

>>95726679
Rude.

>>95726827
>What's this junk?
He looks kino THOUGH

>>95726827
Why do you care? You don't want to play him anyway.

>>95726867
You shut your whore mouth by allah. Old crane looks baller, not whatever that is

>>95726877
Rajesh, you have a war to fight in instead of posting.

>>95726874
It ruins my immersion

>>95726905
How?

>>95726905
This is a Qing dynasty Crane
>>95726827
This is a Ming Dynasty crane.

>>95726933
It looks uncool, so the faction feels less cool as a whole

Been awol since the end of N4, before anything about N5 was revealed. I noticed pistols lost CC ability and shotguns their template. Bit sad for the shotguns but pistols were the better choice in CC unless the model had a dedicated cc weapon so good riddance

>>95727112
It's just a new armor model. YJ has them once in a while.

>>95726874
Crane agents aren't good? Is there like any unit besides the usual 5 in any army that's good or is it just a YJ issue

>>95729062
There are more than 5 good units in most armies imo, and it's just that crane sucks. If you want a good active shooter, take hsien instead, or miranda, or even Adil because of how scary even one hit from him can be, even bao could work better than crane.
Cranes pay a lot for questionable rules, and there are better models in IS. Like, su-jian actually costs less and has stealth this season.

>>95729738
Did crane always suck? He looked lame in N4 too

>>95729910
He is better than ever now, and he still sucks.

>>95729738
Su jian has stealth? I don't see it on the wiki, and I can't access the army maker

>>95729954
There's a new ITS seasonal rule where you can make one trooper (that's not a rem, tag or in a marker, maybe some other restrictions) get stealth and a silenced pistol. Read on it in the end of the ITS rules.

>>95729062
You made me think: who's actually good in ISS?
Good (in no particular order):
Hsien, Koga, Jinwei, Zhanying hacker, Taowu, Shenji, Quianfeng, Miranda, Su-Jian, Sun Tze, Deva (KHD), Dakini
Decent:
Wu Ming, Adil, Feiquan, Bao, Longwang (I just think he's better in vanilla), Jinyao, Ninja, Kanren, Lunah
Meh:
Crane, Pheasant, Bayara

I'm not mentioning celestials and shit that you will take anyways. There's a lot of great models in the sectorial, definitely more than just 5.
>>95727125
It's actually a lot, lot better for the game that shotguns lost templates. All shotgun models who were meant to have templates eventually got a compensation (like su-jian, for example).
On the contrary, some models who relied on +1B in CC with their pistols (like Greif or Kokram) suffered greatly and weren't compensated at all. If they fixed that, it would be cool.

>>95730053
Ah, I see. Never used or looked at ITS, but that's pretty cool

>>95729924
Crane bros....

>>95731941
In a sectorial full of HIs, someone has the be the weakest.

If you win with a Crane, it was due to your superior tactics and leadership, not cheese.

>>95732209
I thought that was IA though

>>95732614
Every YJ sectorial is full of HI, what else would you expect.

>>95732222
Quads of truth with the imperial seal.

>>95732885
XIR YES XIR GRORY TO YJ

>>95732222
Fact check by real Imperial agents

>>95732222
The Chinese and asians in general often can't even digest cheese.
Nice quads though.

>>95732222
We're so back crane chads

Real question, is there unit that's genuinely terrible, that is, not even worth it for casual games without optimized or at least well thought out lists?

>>95734720
Any CG unit that isn't a hacker or a KS controller

>>95734769

>>95698758
I hate that they forgot their roots and also turned Nomads into blatant capeshit references. Slowly chipping away at a classic Chimera model in 3d.

>>95734769
Meh bait.
>>95734720
If we're not talking about particular loadouts but whole units, then I don't think ISS has anyone other than the crane that fits the description, and even with him you can try making him work. It's just that none of his layouts feel finished, all of them feel lacking a bit. Like I'd definitely play the triangulated sensor profile if it was a specialist. Maybe the hacker would be playable in theory if IS had repeaters on the field on deployment.

>>95698758
I mean, the odalisque was always a very tame, but well done, model. Only her belly was and is exposed, and PanO armor as no smaller boobs

MANHUNT is an unofficial, fun alternate mode for playing Infinity designed by Warsenal.
Unlike standard ITS missions, MANHUNT is less about fighting and more about playing out a dystopian fantasy and creating memorable stories through emergent gameplay and random chart results.
Tension, story, and asymmetry—something between a campaign and a tactical thriller. Download it for free and let's play!
More info: https://warsen.al/blogs/manhunt/launch

>>95737913
Look fun. Are there any other narrative/campaign random generators, and/or something where you have a "persistent" army who can take losses across missions or be replenished

>>95738160
There's the domestic ICS, but your upgrades are limited to army-wide command bonuses and points for your single Spec-Ops unit.

>>95738365
I see. That's a shame, I quite like the warchest system in BT and I think kill squad has something like that as well

Where's the new studio update? I can't wait to see how they manage to botch this qt chinese gestapo engigirl...

>>95737913
Interesting idea, good job Warsenal. Sounds like a Infinitymunda of sorts.

>>95737586
What are you ever going to use a regular CG for, or any of their SEC profiles for. You always have a better option for whatever role.

>>95741155
Just because there's something better for a job doesn't mean it's straight unplayable like the anon asked, you metagaming, pierogi gnawing, orderspamming slav.

>>95741155
A CG FO or SGL are both good options. Sometimes you realize you're better off saving points somewhere else instead of running those shitty N5 kuang shi, or you want a core slot for your meme wu ming link, but you still want a linked smoke shooter.
The MMR is the only completely useless CG profile.

>>95739975
Her render was already shown off, it's just a pedestrian "helmeted model in firing stance" IIRC.

>>95741261
Damn bro calm down. Also he didn't say 'straight unplayable.' And infinity isn't a game were you just Willey nilley take pointless less effective choices unless points or SWC force you too.
>>95741444
I can't think of a time it would t just be better to take the KS controller in a KS link, since you can stick some of ISS's good wild cards (like adil) in that thing to give the wildcard easy SD (same with the SGL).

>>95741846
There are two problems with your plan. First: N5 KS are absolute, utter dogshit, and I personally try to avoid using them if I can (which is hard if you wanna run a sun tze su-jian list). Second: the best guns in IS aren't wildcards.
You say
> some of ISS's good wild cards (like adil)
...but that's just Adil. The other wildcards are either shit or utility dudes.
And at the same time you can run a CG haris with a hacker and smoke and then Adil, and that link can easily push forward under smoke and do different objectives. Also you can change the smoke guy to the FO, so that your haris does most classifieds all by itself, while your monitor shoots smoke from group 2.

I'm getting back into the game, sitting here assembling some backlog models. And out of sudden each and every drill bit I have is either completely blunt and barely drills anything, sharp but immediately breaks in half when attempting drilling, or is 0,005mm too thin for the vice to grip it properly.
What the FUCK?

>>95742037
> Utter dogshit
There is no world where a package of 3 regular orders (and two impetuous orders) for 25 points and 0.5 SWC (Which includes a smoke launcher) is 'utter dogshit.' it's not n4 levels of bullshit but you have to be a literal contrarian to insist it's 'utter dogshit' to have that many cheap orders, and smoke, in your list, with or without a wildcard in the group too, even if all they do is sit in the back and feed orders to shit like a su jian.
I stopped reading after that idiotic statement. Don't bother replying.

>>95743141
>drill
What for? Are you assembling TAGs from 2007?

>>95743602
> I stopped reading
I thought you had to be 18 to post here, or is it only true for green boards?
> 3 regular orders (and two impetuous orders) for 25 points and 0.5 SWC
Problem is that it also costs 3 trooper slots which are a resource just like points and swc. And you're wasting 2 of those (and your only core slot, too) on units that don't do anything until maybe spending an impetuous order on 3rd turn if they somehow survive till that time. Also if you link them for smoke shooting, you can't even spread the KS to cover more ground with their templates.
Yes, KS is shit that's only used to fill the rest of your list with cheap troopers. They won't accomplish anything meaningful, and you can easily link smoke with other CGs. I knew you were either baiting or simply bad at list buildng back at that retarded CG comment, but I guess you're also a manchild who can't take people on the internet being right. How sad.

>>95743873
Old haqqislami remotes. But I also pin everything to the bases, since I use basetops or resin bases for everything.

Damn, didn't want to spark such a heated discussion. I personally like to build lists for flavor over meticulously thought out list buildings as me and friends just chill out (hence I also wish for a campaign/narrative book for connected games). One time I built a penal army, basically just KS with controller, couple of pheasants and a Hsien

>>95745393
>But I also pin everything to the bases, since I use basetops or resin bases for everything.
Just cut the underfoot strips to pegs. Works wonders and is actually faster than pinning.

>CB officially shared the Manhunt ruleset
Kinda based

>>95746201
>faster
Not really

>>95698684
I dunno, getting arrested by Morats may have its advantages.

>>95746343
I do it in batches using a dremel. Way faster.

Anyone got a collection of all unpack photos (especially N2/N3 era models)? I can't find the thread on the CB forums (moved/renamed?) and Human Sphere is missing unpack pics I could swear were there.

Do you think an AI could learn to play Infinity?

>>95746334
Where?
>>95745756
Discussions are a good thing, even heated ones, even if one of the participants throws a fit at some point. We may still learn from that.
>>95746501
Which models are you interested in? Perhaps someone could take a photo for you.

>>95746512
>Where?
On Instagram for sure, from what I've seen.

>>95746511
It's a rules-based wargame, it's only slightly more complex than teaching them to play chess.

>>95746512
>Which models are you interested in? Perhaps someone could take a photo for you.
Like half of the range really, not just one specific model.
Right now I need 90% of the Paradiso-era Steel Phalanx, I'm trying to sort my second-hand collection which came in mixed parts from disorganized stripping.

OK, I'm now pretty sure that the original thread has been moved, renamed, or deleted. All the unboxing photos I found on Human Sphere are signed by some newer user, which may suggest some kind of copyright drama in the meantime.

This is what I found for older unpacks:

http://penofpenemue.blogspot.com/search/label/Unpacking - this one's working, lots of photos by the original unpack project creator as well as other contributors, in shitty blog engine but still has lots of old material preserved.

http://infinitythegame.com/forum/index.php?/topic/12107-unit-unpacks/ - link NOT working, couldn't find the thread in the forums (it might be due to shitty searcher, so I'm not 100% sure it's disappeared)

Does anyone even play Reinforcements in N5?

>>95746417
Ah, the indomitable spirit of PanOceania

>>95746512
https://x.com/InfinityTheGame/status/1927702142846218521

>>95746883
Slightly more than use Free Mode, I believe.

>>95748896
Without shred of irony: what's a free mode?

>>95749218
Uncapped units, beyond the 15 units limit.

>>95749218
It's one of the ITS Extras, like the one that lets you have a Spec-Op.

>>95747205
Wish there was more narrative infinity stuff. Only scenarios or tournaments, not a persistent campaign

>>95749867
Just write narrative for your campaign/tournament. It's that simple. I've done it, you can as well.

>>95750542
More like, rules to handle replenishing losses, or wounded operatives having to recover, etc, not the mission type itself or the story behind the campaign.

I'm very new to both wargames and infinity (but not RPGs), so I wouldn't really know how to handle the management of your army across multiple battlefields

>>95753493
lol

>>95753493
I read that as "mixing tacos with cheese", got confused, then decided I'm way overdue for breakfast.

>>95746483
>dremel
>pegs
>faster

>>95757796
>implying

>>95757896
>>implying

Tempted to start an infinity rpg game with anons from here (if any willing) but mom said not to talk to strangers

>>95760876
Anon, we're all old friends here :)

>>95761523
Is there even anyone left in this thread?

>>95763395
Maybe

>>95763395
No. You're all figments of my imagination.

>>95763395
Yes. Come play with us.

>>95763511
Ok where

>>95763395
I live in your head.

>>95763588
We make a terrible team cause I can't win a game for the life of me

>>95763541
Our local clubhouse. You do have the code, right?

>New LIs are now as tall as N3-era HIs
>20 years in business and still not a single miniature holding its gun with both hands has arms that just fucking fit without bending and sanding off bits of them.

>>95764818
It's part of the experience.

>>95764818
Small company please understand

>>95764818
>sanding
Bro

I'm still eyeing a Spiral Corps army pack. What's the chance these models will lose rules in the future? I'm okay with no new releases for the army but I don't want to paint minis only to see the whole faction axed.

>>95772843
Spiral Corps was already axed

>>95773073
Yeah but they are available in Tohaa lists. Has the Tohaa situation been sorted out? They are playable despite being out of catalogue but is it a "permanent" solution?

>>95773110
Tohaa will likely remain out of catalogue for the foreseeable future, if not indefinitely. Revamping them just isn't their priority. Personally, I think Tohaa are cool as hell, so it is a bit of a shame.

>>95760876
Would you actually run it? I always wanted to try but I don't know how many anons will actually be interested

>>95773199
With all the vocal support for tohaa, why didn't they sell then? It's a shame they're discontinued but no point making something that people don't buy

>>95776363
>why didn't they sell then?
Because most people are retarded.

>>95776363
I got into the game after they discontinued Tohaa proper, so I couldn't really tell you. The Tohaa aesthetic appeals to me, but considering they've not done well in the past, I assume I am in the minority.

I was able to, eventually, buy basically every model in the range, so I am quite pleased they're still playable. I'd love some new stuff, but I don't expect it.

>>95777650
They look good, but are quite challenging to paint.

>>95777650
>>95776363
I got in during N3. If I recall, Tohaa were not super popular for a few different reasons.

They not humans and were just as bad as CA. People like playing the "good guy factions" (humans) or the straight villain. Not the third guy there being a cunt.

They were a weirder faction that played different. They were seen as kind of OP, but because they were cheesy. No one liked playing against Tohaa BS.

Their fluff angle wasn't as well developed. Back then, CB didn't understand the appeal to sectorials. They were very surprised to learn most people (about 60% at the time) were only playing sectorials.

Sectorials give your faction character. "You are not just PanO, you are Varuna!, here is all the fluff and how you are different and why your planet is cooler than other PanO planets". Tohaa was a sectorial and their fluff was just they basically manipulating humanity. That is about it.

>>95780851
>They were seen as kind of OP, but because they were cheesy. No one liked playing against Tohaa
I figured this must have been the reason, compounded by being the duplicitous assholes.
When every faction is tacticool John Scifi, threesome alien faction stood out a bunch, and I guess they felt more like fantasy characters (the tohaa are the usual asshole elves). The CA feels more grounded, so to speak. They're basically the covenant

>>95780936
Weirdly, lots of the stuff that made Tohaa different got put into the game.

I suspect that another issue with relaunching them, how are they going to be made interesting.

But also GW is surging, so it is going to make things difficult for CB to expand.

>>95780972
Surging, again? What have they released recently?

>>95781397
I mean more in general for the past 3-4 years.

Tohaa went OOP and GW has been dominating the market, making things harder for smaller companies like CB. That makes Tohaa revival a tougher sell.

>>95781697
Heard kill team isn't doing so good anymore, however. I don't think GW is still rising, not as hard as they were when KT first popped up

>>95782800
Feels like GW is moving towards media empire. Arguably CB is as well, but much smaller scale.

Aww, they wear samurai helmets

>>95783265
Cute!

>>95776146
Not sure. Genuinely too self conscious to likely do it

>>95787243
Now check out the Sphinx.

>>95783225
It's all about IP now. TBf GW is handling its IP quite smartly now compared to a decade or so ago.

>>95787361
She looks pretty nice, I think.

>>95787361
The turrets being metal is a pleasant surprise, I thought for sure they'd have cheaped out with Siocast ones.

>>95787409
>quite smartly
Did you miss the blanket lawsuits against anything (and I mean anything) with Warhammer in their title from like two weeks ago?

>>95787473
Eh they have always been quite defensive of it. They raided Cults3d too.
I'm more talking about how they are managing it concerning games and other media. They control it way more carefully and select the companies they collab with very shrewdly.

>>95787413
I was thinking of the expression more than the quality of the model.

>>95787331
Too bad, I was interested.

>>95783225
CB has a game, the game is there, you can play it if you want. You can buy the miniatures if you like them. That's 100% CB's business right now.

GW wants 40k to be every second on your social media feed. They want 40k on your media, they want the wargame, the skirmish game, to videogame, the TV show, the movies, the action figures you buy evertyhing from them. They want cultural relevance to the point that 40 k is in the conversation constantly. That's their goal.

Even if CB has a new manga coming out, or a videogame or even a TV show they are far away from the plans global takeover GW has now.

What the hell is Deras Kaar? I found the name as a category on Human Sphere, it looks like a vestigial Tohaa sectorial? Where did it come from and where can I read up on it?

>>95788408
GW has no "global takeover" plans lol
They're just seeking more avenues to generate profit and media is an obvious choice for that. Their problem is that their golden goose has some inherent problems that prevent it to become as popular than, say, Star Wars was at its height. In this sense CB is not that different, with Infinity and its spinoffs making ever more media spinoffs to generate interest and profit.

>>95788408
>or a videogame
For one I'm excited about the Aristeia videogame.

>>95788431
That's the name for the reinforcements company.

https://youtu.be/Miby5LfH6Yw?si=bW2MeQRZVQPDUObR

>>95788601
Thanks.

*FREE BIRD- SOLO INTENSIFIES*

>>95789629
Uh I really like the drone.

These guys are pretty nice too.

>>95789917
>>95789629
These look fucking great

>>95788053
You know, I'll make a post tomorrow with more details then. I'll battle my social anxiety

Thoughts on fliers in general?

>>95790076
I think they are a cool addition to the game.

>>95790007
You rock.

>>95790076
They don't belong in this game.

>>95790076
I think they are a fun addition to the game. Enjoyed playing them and was fun figuring out how to play AGAINST them. It is dumb they are manned. Humanoids make things like this look clunky and dumb. Even the best one, Go-Pod, look like they'd only work in low-gravity.

>>95790128
No me human.

>>95790076
Much more balanced after the Super Jump change. I like them.

>>95791057
you. let me in on the rpg run

maybe that will get me to pick up the game again.

>>95790076
In my local meta they were always hiding their Lt. proned on rooftops. All these new super-jump upgrades are a solution for me.

Alright, as far as that rpg game:

- will be in central european timezone.
- schedule will be in the evening starting 21:00, on Fridays or Saturdays (open to other days however, but still in the evening)
- will take 3 players, at most 4
- Considering this is the infinity general, I would like to mention firsthand that I'm not super knowledged on infinity lore. By this I mean, I don't know the nitty gritty details, only what's in the rpg books, so heads up if I get something wrong.

No other informations for now, I'd like to know how many of you anons are actually interested, then we can get to organize further

>>95794803
Not interested myself, but do post an AAR later.

>>95795029
Don't even know if it will start. It seems there's two anons that were interested, but even then, flake ratio is very high for online games

Some results from Kontrast.

>>95797319
Jesus Christ I suck at painting

>>95797319
Wow, that's pretty impressive. On a white primer background, I assume?

>>95797453
It's a random white background from AliExpress my brother got for taking pictures of his commissions.

>>95797838
No I meant the minis kek.

>>95797867
No, they were all primed black and then I built up NMM textures with a brush. I prime black, then cover a surface in off black and work my way up to off white. Maybe 12 total steps.
I think I might actually make a video on that at some point.

>>95797882
Please do, interesting method.

>>95794803
>starting 21:00, on Fridays or Saturdays (open to other days however, but still in the evening)
>- will take 3 players, at most 4
One of the at least two interested players. I can do Fridays at 2100

>>95794803
>2100 CET should be 1500 for me
Wasn't one the askers but if you need a spare body I'd be down to learn the system. My usual rpg group wouldn't go for this so it'd be a nice change of pace.
Doing this on discord, roll20, tts?

>>95794355
Isn't it a bit weird that PanO just enslaves a race of sentient fishmen? Ariadnans are savages, so Antipodes don't count.

>>95799239
It would be if it were true.

>>95799239
>Antipodes
>Chaksa
>everything that's not an Ur
>Pupniks
>Japanese
Having slave races is entirely normal in the setting.

Hey anons, a friend and I tried infinity at the UK games expo recently and we bought the starter set and beyond sandtrap from there. He took pan so I'm getting the JSA.
Furst fight on friday, what am I in for? We calculated our lists and we both have 150ish points. I was told that pan are very strong when you're new since they are the best in a straight up fight.
My list is 152 points whilst his is 150, will this make a big difference?
How is JSA as a faction? I understand that they're new, I'm not sure if I'll want to stick with them but it's difficult to know which playstyle faction would work for me when so much of the game is a mystery still

>>95799239
Yu-Jing propaganda, Helots are happy to be PanO citizens.

>>95800841
I don't play either of the factions, but I'm told sandtrap is not super well balanced as a starter, mostly because of Pano's excellent sniper and heavy machine gunner. You need to try your best to avoid engaging them in favorable for them range brackets, and focus on whatever objectives your scenario has. A lot depends on how dense table you deploy, but this is something of an art in itself.

>>95800937
This is beyond sandtrap which I don'tthink has any snipers, it has:
Pano:
1 Blink with Heavy Rocket Launcher,
1 WildParrot,
1 Firefly Paramedic with Combi Rifle, and
1 Hetkari with MULTI Red Fury.

JSA:
1 Teishin Hacker with Boarding Shotgun,
1 Kurayami Hacker with Light Shotgun, and
1 Shizoku FTO with AP HMG.

>>95798306
>>95798937
Just you two? Sounds good. Primarily on discord but tts would be great as I don't use the default abstract range system (I use the tabletop ranges), and you can get 3d environments*

I'll link a form so you can drop your info and some details, then I'll contact you guys.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdw9Xmjk3HnIF1Gbp6CJb33m-HNgBP-uMz8rDdQa5E60vucrw/viewform?usp=preview

*Disclaimer: don't expect much in this department, it's very time intensive

>>95800841
>My list is 152 points whilst his is 150, will this make a big difference?
Won't be significant, aim for the same number of points later once you have more minis.
>How is JSA as a faction?
They tend to be a bit of glass cannons, they are worse than PanO at shooting (especially at long range) but better in close quarters and had moving around the map (bikes, smoke, various augmented climbers etc.).

In general in Infinity you are not hard locked in a playstyle depending on the faction, but each faction can push a certain playstyle more than others.

>>95800841
JSA has some absurdly strong units.

They work great as a faction, but they are way less straight forward for a new player. If you stick with them and figure it out they are probably nearly as good as Kestral or CA the two tops.

>>95802553
Which are strong? All I ever hear about is hatamoto

What does a Thunderbolt look like? Have they released any models with one? There doesn't seem to be any picture of it in the rulebook.

>>95804251
Don't some of the N5 JSA models have one? Or is that the contender

>>95804715
Nope, and I was looking for it specifically to convert some for the Japs.

>Ikari can holomask the ap t2 boarding shotgun bashi as a cube jäger
The faction is saved. Apologize right now while I try to line up this bs11 shot on your Avatar.

>>95805019
Is there even a description of what it is?

>>95804251
>>95805019
I don't think they have yet released one. In game it's essentially a more basic version of the Feuerbach, so I would just use that.
I believe JSA primarily uses PanO-originated weapons for their more advanced guns, so I would opt for their design. You can get one printed from https://www.monstrousmakings.co.uk/product/panoceania-weapon/

Is this game any less a hacking fest from N4? Is thrle competitive meta (Not the retards from Barcelona) meaningfully different from playing repeater chicken and using smokes/Bearpode-types, etc?

Also, Teutons are raw sex

>>95805533
I'm not printing stuff overseas to pay shipping on a few bits. The Overdron HRMC conversion STL is looking mighty tempting though.
I guess I'll wait for a proper art/model then, it's not like my backlog's getting any smaller.

But while we're at the subject of proonting, anyone have STLs for TAG conversion kits? Specifically, I'm looking for the Shakush arms holding the gun 2-handed, and the old-sculpt (this is important) O-Yoroi arms wielding the katana. I know I've seen both around but can't find them now.

>>95800886
But they wear mind control helmets?

>>95808335
>a question instead of a statement
Even your subconscious knows that's bullshit. All it is is a pressure regulator so they can walk about on the surface without being fucked up.

>>95808389
No that anon is right. Hexa agents kidnapped me in my sleep and probed my anus and then took pictures and then made fun of me you can believe me it's true

I'm being gangstalked by Hexaedron agents.

>>95808526
Every night I say "Blinks are better" five times before bed to distress the Hexa watching me through the camera hidden in my liughtbulb.

>>95808558
Very good move. They follow me around on my night walks with Redeye drones in TO camo.

>>95808558
>>95808796
She already got thrown out of the game, you really just gonna salt that wound?

July releases.

Plus a bunch of "Essentials" repackaged units.

>>95810235
What a downgrade

>>95810255
Shame about the retarded masks and that fucking UGLY hvt.

>>95810251
I love how angel's old yaozao still mogs their new painter.

>>95814434
Maskes are based, keep your shit opinions to yourself.

>>95801524
>>95802553
>>95800937
Thanks anons, first game went slow as you'd probably imagine. And we probably got a lot wrong.
I deployed one hacker in infiltration in a corner behind a chokepoint, hoping to hack one of his heavy armours as it moved forward, and a parachutist hacker in reserve to deploy where needed.
Furst turn he advanced with his orc and a basic trooper up the centre, then some heavy infantry up the flank, killing one of my basic troopers.
I used my troops with minmatism and heavy AP rifles to pick off one of his troops and the orc from long range, then my parachutist jumped down around the corner from his hetkari.
For his second turn his blink revealed itself and took a shot at my lieutenant, luckily I made my save thanks to cover. He then spent activations setting up supressive fire and used two activations to try and kill my parachutist, (I won the f2f roll and made my armour save respectively).
My second turn, the parachutist charged the hetkari and killed it using a combination of martial arts and a demolition charge, putting my opponent into retreat, we called the game there.
Really enjoyable game! We had some spectators who were also interested and they played using the starter box troops afterward, one is looking to play nomands and the other is looking at ariadna.

>>95814451
>keep your shit opinions to yourself
You first.

>>95815264
>NO U!!!
Wow, you continue to stun with your mighty intellect and good taste.

>>95814434
I think yukido looks good but the fusilier is atrocious, mask or no mask

>>95810251
Fun fact, that specific Yaozao has been released 16 years and 9 months ago.

>>95817062
If it isn't broke...

>>95820324
I have both of them, I'm just getting increasingly annoyed by CB trying to get me to buy more of the same models that I don't need with each successive support pack.

>>95820484
Why do you keep buying support packs?

>>95822081
I don't, specifically for that reason. The resculpted YJ support pack was a prime opportunity to release new bots though.

>>95822302
Why?

>>95810255
Is Bipandra finally good?

>>95810255
Fuuuuuck I might actually get a Dire Foes.

>>95810251
The paintjob here is subpar with the usual Infinity releases. Someone has to step up his game.

>>95836250
I think it's mainly the engie, someone must have slept on it and speedpainted it at the last minute.

Post the new comic you hacks

>>95845564
Do it yourself.

https://corvusbelli.com/en/press-room/blog/crows-nest-1

>>95845517
When are they gonna release the show

>>95845564
What new comic?

Almost done with my pano guys from Sandtrap. Not sure about neon lights they are covered in, pink looks wierd

>>95845727
>And for Infinity, we’ll be unveiling two fan favorite TAG resculpts that players have been begging for. Stay tuned ;)
What TAGs still have old sculpts? I assume Scarface is one of them, could the other be the Anaconda or maybe the Iguana?

>>95845667
I'm not on my desktop and I can't be arsed to find it on my phone.

>>95849137
Gorgos!

>>95849308
With giant breasts!

>>95849308
Oh good, someone might be getting rid of the old one.

>>95849325
That's just the pilot

>>95849078
I like the highlights. Good work anon

>>95849308
I'd dismiss this as copium without the Tohaa coming back, but the Caskuda vs Maximus box did predate the Reinforcements Exrah, IIRC. Maybe it'll be another two-TAG box preceding an Adepticon box of Tohaa.

>>95845564
Dr. Harper.

>>95853817
Consoles

>>95853817
Super Jump

>>95849078
Nice job

I'm way behind the lore, basically I just remember the Japs splitting from the chinks. Did the CA actually put someone in the O12 council?

>>95856527
Yeah. Long story short the Tohaa almost exploded Coincilium as they tried to destroy/activate the Digester, so the humans and the CA declared a ceasefire in order to save the planet.
Basically we are now in a kind of cold war situation between the humans and the aliens. No more open hostilities.

>>95856557
Oh I see. In a way it makes more sense than the CA having unlimited troops on paradiso despite the attrition. With the humans having complete space and orbital superiority, they could've nuked ground zero a million times. In fact, the only places they couldn't have nuked were those with civilians taken as hostages.

>>95856557
The tohaa are such fucking assholes. The whole paradiso thing was engineered by the triumvirate, and when "normal" tohaa came, they still backstabbed the humans and tried to kill them to steal the paradiso digester, and you're telling me they did it again on concilium?

>>95849078
If you are going to take pictures with your phone, pls install open camera and disable postprocessing kthxbye

>>95856719
The Triumvirate got worried the CA would seize the Penny Arcade and sent in the Spiral Corps to trigger the Digester's emergency security protocols. McMurrough was there and thwarted them before they could set it off fully (thus the Old Man of the Mountain's ploy of trapping him in Dog-Warrior form pays off), so the apocalypse it would have caused is slow enough for the EI to swoop in and provide tech that can halt the issue.
Consequence is that the CA's territorial claims are recognized, they get a special advisory seat at the O-12 table, Spiral Corps are kill-on-sight mega-terrorists, and the regular Tohaa military may gain an ally in getting the Triumvirate weeded out.
Also the Digester's security protocols open a bunch of wormholes, hence we get a new planet.

Do we have a confirmation that the various Circulars connect planes within the Milky Way? Imagine how freaky it would be if the Human Sphere was actually scattered all over the universe in different galaxies, and just randomly connected due to wormholes.

>>95857631
>Also the Digester's security protocols open a bunch of wormholes, hence we get a new planet
Huh. I guess it nukes the planet while skedaddling through a new wormhole.

>CA's territorial claims are recognized
Considering how objectively evil the CA is, this feels like a far fetched plot point just because some different client terrorists tried to explode them. The morats, Nexus operatives, umbra legates, sepsitors. First thing the CA did was go in guns blazing and enslave the humans on paradiso

>>95857821
>this feels like a far fetched plot point
Infinity is a setting built on realpolitik. It doesn't matter how brutal the war has been, when Concilium is about to get eaten by rapidly-expanding breakdowns in reality that you don't even understand, and the EI offers negotiations for technology that could stop the problem cold, moral concerns go out the window and O-12 is homing in on the negotiating table faster than your fat coworker homes in on the donut box.

>>95857877
It's still going too much too quickly. You have an alien civilization which committed the most heinous actions to enslave and convert you, with horrific weapons and tactics (like Shasvasti infiltrators completely replacing people), and you give them access to your governing council? To make further infiltrations and sabotage even easier? I'm not contesting the truce.

>>95857821
No one suddenly decided they were good guys, they simply had overwhelming force through which to totally devastate the entire Human Sphere and left humanity with no choice. They would not have sought such a peaceful middle ground if not for the events on Concilium.

>>95858465
Yes but consider the following: Speculo pussy

>>95858465
My dude, a seat on the O12 was a condition of the truce. It's not like they declared truce to deal with the Digester and then O12 was like "Aww, c'mere buddy, have a seat and lets let bygones be bygones." They forced their way onto the council, no one is happy with this development, but humanity managed to a) not lose a heavily populated planet that was the seat of their central government and b) turn a massive invading army that was on the precipice of total military victory into just another squabbling faction that will backstab and be backstabbed in turn.

Also, most importantly, everyone's a greedy fuck, and humanity is willing to let CA continue to probe the Digester for secrets because it turns out it's a lot easier to steal secrets someone else has discovered than it is to discover them yourself.

>>95862246
Actually wait, I forgot an important bit, the actual most important aspect: I'm willing to forgive goofy contrivances if it brings us back to deniable black ops as the focus of the game instead of 40k-style endless open warfare against an endless wave of aliens who never seem to actually win despite the technological, logistical, and numerical superiority.

>>95862246
Considering the CA's advantage, not sure how humanity can steal anything from them unless it's a physical object.

>>95862297
They mostly were winning, but the Human Sphere is just part of the CA's invasions.

Its all together possible we facing the B or C team, while they deal with races bigger than the Tohaa or Humans

>>95858663
This is what a sepsitor does. It doesn't corrupt cubes, people just willingly switch sides for that alienussy

FNG question.
Do I need a DA weapon to shot and destroy stuff like deployable repeaters or mines?

>>95863555
1. the thing you're looking for is the "anti-materiel" trait, not just DA ammo.
2. You still don't need it for repeaters/mines, as they're just deployable weapons/equipment. HOWEVER, this is not the case with deployable cover, as it's considered a "Scenery Element" which does need the anti-materiel trait (or a deactivator).

>>95863692
Thanks anon

alright, to that one (1) anon who was seemingly interested in the AAR report on the RPG game

>PCs have been hired as by Bureau Noir agent, tasked to investigate a PanO corpo exec who has been, according to said handler, framed, and accused of collaborating with the CA in the Human Edge
>the exec is on Caerostris-2 station, an ex-mining station, turned corporate blacksite, turned major settlement under the Meteora Group in the Trojan 2 point
>the evidence in the case files handed to the PCs, disguised as the exec's lawyer team, includes money transpher logs from one of the occupied zones on Paradiso, a flight log to a nameless asteroid where O12 mentions finding a small hideout with CA tech, and a video of the exec meeting with a shasvasti in his normal, alien form
>the exec claims he did neither of the things listed, and in fact, when O12 interrogated him, he said the video they showed him had a regular guy in it. He admitted to weird glitches in his aparment's domotics, and how his commlog one day stopped working and had it replaced.
>upon further inquiry, he admitted he had secret lab data stored on it that he wasn't allowed per company rules to take home, but he swears none of the data had been tampered with
>when inspecting his apartment, the domotics system logs did register glitches—weird millisecond long delays, null errors that required sending a command twice—but closer inspection of the quantronics (with a rolled complication by one of the PC's) showed that the glitches were caused by inefficient or erroneous code strings with seemingly no source. They simply appeared in the system with no sign of tampering.
>at the same time, the PCs commlogs chimed with a notification but no messade was present, and the remote staggered for a fraction of a second when leaving the apartment.

And that's it for the first one, very brief due to last minute scheduling issues. If anyone is still actually interested, I will continue writing these AARs.

>>95865873
I liked it, seems dope.

>>95865873
Fucking PanOids can't even program their own shit properly, I'm sure there's nothing to worry about :^)

>>95867196
Everyone knows that when PanOs trip on the sidewalk they cry and call aleph for help. Meanwhile the weakest YJ citizen can break boulders with his bare hands.

>>95865873
Very fun anon.

Was curious if I could get some feed back on some campaign rules I cooked up. I enjoyed the Paradiso Campaign when it came out but felt they were too limited for what they were. Here is my attempt to expand out the system: https://files.catbox.moe/8pts2h.pdf

Main goal is to get wacky.

>>95867169
>>95867196
>>95868736
Thanks! Genuinely my first more complex investigation. Most of my players have so far been of the "point A to point B, kill 'em all 1989" kind, and I too preferred straightforward combat.

>>95869038
They seem interesting, I like them. Would definitely require playtesting however, unless you already have some games with the rules under your belt.
One thing I'd change, the bullet point about healing with XP and credits should be on its own instead of being listed under the losing size heading

>>95869052
Looking forward to next session report, we don't see much of the RPG played these years.