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>>95604751

>Battlefleet Gothic, Blood Bowl, Epic, Kill Team, Man-o-War, Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game, Mordheim, Necromunda, Shadow War: Armageddon, Titanicus, Underworlds, Warcry, Warhammer Quest, Warmaster, and any other GW system and board game are welcome.

>Helpful resources: (feel free to suggest additions!)
https://pastebin.com/qq9N8V0V

>The previous archive links are all dead and any time someone tries to make a new one it gets taken down. If there is content you're looking for ask in the thread and someone might help you out!

> TQ
SG are the best GW games, why do these threads die so often?

>>95773291 (OP)
Because we're painting our armies and then playing games with those armies.

Does anyone have a PDF of Ruins of Jardland?

>>95773291 (OP)
>>The previous archive links are all dead and any time someone tries to make a new one it gets taken down.
GW is so fucking sad I swear. Those cunts dont even make this shit anymore.

>>95773291 (OP)
>why do these threads die so often?
Because dead GW games are best GW games.

>>95773291 (OP)
>why do these threads die so often
Multiple small games can't generate as much discussion as a single big system. If you have 10 Anons playing 10 different games, they will never generate as many posts as 5 dudes playing the same game.
Most of the specialist games being dead or solved doesn't help either. MESBG is apparently being played mostly by people that avoid places like 4chan, Kill Team fanbase is fucking awful so thank God they don't hang out here.

I have no idea about TOW, but a friend's bday is in september and we want to get him one of the huge boxes (starters, battle box, I can't remember the name). He's shown interest in Cathay and Empire, so the first question would be when is the Cathay box expected to launch?

I'm mainly a painter, so I'll build and paint the contents of either box. I'm a slow painter tho, so if I wanted to get everything painted before september, I should start asap. So considering the Empire box, what would be the optimal build? I've been researching and you can build 2 (maybe 3, not sure) units with the state troops. How many of each type would be considered a balanced starter army? And what would be the best hero to get alongside with the box? Just quick FYI, he'd be playing against Bretonnia mainly, since his brother got the starter box that came with the book. Also high elves because another dude got the box, a dragon and the sword dudes iirc.

So yeah, any feedback would be appreciated

>>95774150
Based community painter.
Also, for TOW you might be served better by >>/tg/wfg .

>>95774178
Aaand of course I fucked it up. I meant the "Warhammer fantasy general" thread.

>>95774178
Yeah, I initially posted there thinking it was my mistake and should have posted here instead. They already pointed me in the correct direction, thanks. Turns out I can't read to choose the proper thread. Fuck I'm slow today

Is MESBG finally 28mm?

>TQ

Morale for the non-40K games is really bad right now.

>LOTR was destroyed by a pointless new edition and forced legendary legion cookie-cutter lists
>TOW is a monster/hero/cavalry circlejerk, might as well just play Age of Smegmar
>30K is getting turned into 40K. Soon we'll have ITC style symmetrical terrain and everything.
>Warhammer Underworlds is going to get cancelled.

>>95774401
Warcry is cancelled not Underworlds.

>>95774401
>TOW is a monster/hero/cavalry circlejerk
Which totally hasn't happened to WHFB ever, just choose a better edi-
>might as well just play Age of Smegmar
Some people just reefuse to learn, it seems.

>>95774150
>>95774189
That said, feel free to post your finished Warhammer shit in here.

>>95774401
>>TOW is a monster/hero/cavalry circlejerk, might as well just play Age of Smegmar
Yeah, but no. People like the game and are excited for the new releases

>>95774401
All problems easily solved by not playing the latest editions. No-ones forcing you to.

>>95775320
Link to 6th edition rulebook and army books for WHFB?
Its time for a strong white man to RETVRN to TRVE gaming

>>95775505
>Link to 6th edition rulebook and army books for WHFB?
In the usual places.

>>95775505
James, we are familiar with your game.

>>95775320

People always say this but it's hard enough to round up the scattered GWSG players as it is without announcing you're using an OOP version of the rules.

>>95776377
No one is invested in MESBG's tournament scene, just ask your friends about it.
MESBG doesn't even have the same release cycle hype others game do which shifts towards the edition hoping mindset as they're on a treadmill

>>95776377
You teach people to play the game you want and you never tell them GW is the IP owner, you print models for them and distribute the correct rules PDF to them.
It's called gatekeeping.

>>95776447
old books are cheap tbf most people play edition catch-up.
t.expansive 6e WHF and 2e AoS collection with two or three copies
I must have like 10 1st edition frostgrave books I can throw at anyone interested in playing

>>95776552
>most people play edition catch-up.
That's on them.
Do you you want to play with a higher number of low quality players, or a smaller number of high quality players? IME fad-chasers, the FOMO crowd, are all temporary, eventually they burn out from dropping too much money into games that they barely paint or play and then you find a half-painted or totally grey army on the local kijiji for half it's in-store cost.

>>95774401
Bait used to be believable

>>95776922
I'm glad. It means the good stuff is cheap but you do you

>>95777255
>the good stuff is cheap
Yes, 3D printing is cheap.

Did comixinos die?

>>95778423
Looks like it, just found their inventory on nobleknight which IME only happens when a company dies.

Hello guys, can someone suggest me some telegram/discord/else group, for collecting STL files for MESBG?
I am looking in particular for Davale releases of last 5/6 months>>95778820

>>95774419
>Warcry is cancelled
What's the deal with GW killing their best games all the time?
Shadow War: Armageddon, Titanicus, Warcry, the previous edition of WHU - all good rulesets either being criminally mismanaged and axed or transformed into something inferior.

>>95774401
Don't use a doomer clickbait factory as your image if you want anything you're saying to be taken seriously.

>>95777449
3d printing isn't cheap retard

>>95780130
It's almost as if they pump those game until they've reached market saturation then dump then in favor of ones that make you buy more models. As if they were a public corporation driven solely by the financial obligation to increase investor value.

>>95780130
>Shadow war
Reminded me the existence of Heralds of Ruin. Cute little game that ruined by adding a lot of random crap.
One thing was adding a bike, but it ended having transports and walkers. Thing turn into a 500 or 1000 point 40k game, totally missing the point of the low model count skirmish game
One of the reasons why I dislike the vehicle part of the new Necromunda

>>95780335
Yes it is, I 3D print so I know.
It's incredibly cheap compared to GW plastic, even if that plastic is secondhand.

I need to update my bunny gang.
I'm open to suggestions. Wish to keep the theme of status effects like insane, but could branch out to others like blaze, gunk or flash.
Basically meme gang.

>>95774401
>>95780236
What an ugly man

>>95775854
Suck a penis (maybe the hideous MAN'S penis shown here >>95774401)
>>95775562
Yeah I got them. Spent a pleasant Sunday reading the fluff in the 6th edition army books.
Jesus how far we have fallen.

>>95780335
Compared with collecting GW minis, it's criminally cheap actually.

>>95783934
My only gripe with 3D printing is that the little slut needs their own dedicated space in the house.
Even my computer or painting space can be put away if I need the space for something else, with 3D printing this is not as simple.

Greebo makes nice figures. I should be painting elves for the Eurobowl but apparently this lizardmen team wants to live.

>>95773526
Nope sorry, don't have that one.
Have some dolphin porn instead.
https://files.catbox.moe/dh0qcc.pdf

>>95780335
Only the initial cost of the printer + resin is expensive, on the long run it's very cheap, exponentially more so if you want to play GWs games

>>95784963
In 3 years I've printed between 300-400 miniatures, total cost of resin+printer+iso has been ~$450.
I once collected a GW army of ~100 miniatures in a year and it cost ~$1200

>>95773291 (OP)
>TQ
Less schizos than the mainline games.

Why is everything i want to get for MESBG always sold out.

I fucking hate my life.

>>95783963
>dedicated space
Like, a square foot and you can put it in a closet when not in use.

>>95784609
I have plenty of Dolphin porn already but thank you, I have added this to the collection

>>95785413
You're clearly not a real fan if it was only 1200$

>>95781918
100-200 for the machine
extra if you want a dedicated washing machine
extra for ventilation if you're not a nigger
stls, resin, electricity
At most it breaks even with the average kit unless you're deep into armies with hundreds of models.
3d Printing is its own hobby

>>95787336
>3d Printing is its own hobby
When will this bullshit ever end?
Its like saying airbrushing is its own hobby. And of course, it can be. You can spend several hundreds on equipment for it, master some techniques etc. Or you can buy a cheap airbrush, and use it to prime, basecoat and do some simple glow/light effects without ever bothering to do anything else with it.
3d printing is just that. Another tool you can use for your actual hobby.
You can set up a printer in your garage or any spare room, and do nothing but print presupported stuff with default settings. And it will just work and the quality will be good enough for gaming pieces.
Of course you can do your own supports, invest time and effort into optimizing settings and buy expensive additional side-products, but you dont have to.

Even if you would spend $500 initially, and on top of that $25 for resin (not sure how much it costs in the US, here its 16-20€ per liter) every month, that would average on less than $70 per month for hundreds of miniatures.
And lets be real: With 1 liter of resin, you can print more miniatures than most people with a normal job can paint within a month, so you might even need less.
If you, which i will just assume, participate in the GW/Warhammer/Wargaming hobby for years, those initial 500 will be worth it trice over.

There is exactly one type of players for whom i think a 3d printer is not a good purchase: Those that play one skirmish game exclusively, and within this game, they play only one or two warbands or teams, with zero interest to ever try something else, or expanding the collection of miniatures or games in general.
But for everyone else it should be a nobrainer, especially when its GW games that are played.

>>95787505
>less than $70 per month for hundreds of miniatures.

For the first year i should add. After that, its only resin cost (and electricity in the +1-2€/year range).

Necromunda Anons,

I'm starting up a Necromunda dominion campaign with some of my buds. Everyone is keen to play, but its likely that we will not be able to commit to a set game schedule. Some guys will likely be more available than others, and thus will get more games in.

How would you handle this? My current plan is to be pretty laissez faire about it. If someone gets more games in they progress more than those who don't, and If the frequent gamers outpace the sporadic ones, then that's how it lands. I think my group is mature enough to handle it, but I'd like to hear suggestions from experienced arbitrators.

Additionally, how would you intro new gangs once the campaign is already underway?

The new edition has completely killed MESBG for me. I used to occasionally post some tournament reports here. The previous edition was everything I've ever wanted from a miniatures game.
Now its all down the drain. The absolute worst parts of the last edition were the overdesigned Legendary Legions with half a dozen special rules that completely shat on the beauty of the core game. And the balance was just slowly thrown out of the window. Now the "power levels" are all over the place. The difference between a great faction and a middling one is insanely large. And a solid third of the factions are completely fucking useless. The listbuilding is also just nonexistent, everyone rolls up with identical lists. Also fuck anyone who thinks that removing all the options that dont have an official GW miniature was a good thing.

If you criticized this previously, the GW cocksuckers would gang up on you with
>W-WAIT F-FOR THE THIRD B-BOOK ITLL FIX E-EVERYTHING!!!1!
Well now its leaked and fucking nothing changed. Most factions are barebones with zero listbuilding options. But then you have fucking baffling soup lists like Defenders of Pelennor that are far more egregious than any alliance people were ever using in the previous edition. What exactly was the point? Also way to go with just soft killing entire factions like Corsairs who are never going to get played again. The game has been unceremoniously killed. Matched play guide aint going to fix shit. Most likely they will double down on the banner points that most factions cant even access lmao.

>>95786002
It's own closet?! Dirty little slut!

>>95787563
>If someone gets more games in they progress more than those who don't

That's what the alliance are used for.

There're also non-conventional way, such as more credit, upgraded gangers. Hired gun bodyguard (like alliance), free medical escort, quick recovery,... that last a few games. Well obviously you don't want the guy to be as strong as the guy who play more.

> dominion campaign
> likely that we will not be able to commit to a set game schedule

Stick to turf war campaign, Dominion was too heavily rely on territory and would suck if no-one was there to defense it, or the person who play more obviously hog all the territories.

>>95787563
Like any other rpg. Set a date and people can accommodate to said date; assume people are retarded. Most life issues can be avoided if you assume people are retarded and prepare accordingly.
>but I can't that date
Unless they work in a mine, construction or Healthcare usually people do not have random schedules and will know when they'll be busy for the next month. If they don't then maybe they should not be playing with little soldiers and fix their life.

>>95787612
>The previous edition was everything I've ever wanted from a miniatures game.
So what's keeping you from playing it?
>my locals are all meta-chasing cumguzzlers
Cultivate your community then. You should be used to it by now, it's not like it's a mainstream game anyway.

>>95787707
Because it was very fun to show up to tournament days and meet completely new people and see new paintjobs on creative armies?
Its just not the same to play occasionally with my own group where we're all grown accustomed to our lists and nuances as players.

Such a complete non-argument mate. Its a ton of fun to be part of an active community where new players are jumping in to a game. Where game days are organized regularly and you can always play with new faces.

>>95784609
I don't suppose you have any dolphin porn of the tribal or wasteland variety?

A friend and me have played a couple games of warmaster and we like the game but not the IGYG nature of it. Are there rules for alternating turns? Like I go and issue all orders I can with a general/hero/wizard and then you do the same and so forth.

>>95787893
Not familiar with warmaster but can't you fail to issue orders? You could swap to the other player on a failure in that case, but I suppose that can be swingy.
I forget the source but my favourite alternating activation system was:
>draw a poker card for each unit, forming your hand
>on each activation the players elect their choice and bid for that action with a card from their hand
>highest goes first
Fun meta game imo obvious advantages to a higher number of units but then lots of theirs would go last

>>95787563
The way we play these campaigns is everyone gets a single campaign game with a pre-determined match-up (not a challenge) where territories are gained/swapped and boons are gained from the terrotories. You are given two weeks to organise that game with your opponent.
Then you can play as many games as you want on top of that, but you don't get any territory boons from those games. The powergamers among your group might cry out "Boo-hoo, I'm a baby and what if my fighters get hurt and I don't get rewards?", and that is the signal to cut them out of the campaign.

>>95787687
>>95787701
>>95788698

All good points, thanks for the advice.

I seriously doubt I'd have a problem with dudes getting pissy over any imbalance. We've been playing ttrpg's weekly for about a decade now, and a few of us are getting back into wargaming with KT and Necromunda. we're all close friends outside of the gaming, so there is no drama involved in it all. People only miss games due to work and family shit, no flaking.

I think I may still try to start off a Dominion campaign and see how it goes, but ill switch to turf war if people aren't feeling it. I'll keep the alliances and house favour stuff in my back pocket in case I need to help someone catch up. There are two guys who I think may only be occasional players, and I may offer them the choice of playing as the Palanite Enforcers I'm currently building, which would make the occasional 'swoop in' game work better, both mechanically and narratively.
Thanks again.

On topic, I wanted to bump my starting Goliath gang up to 8 guys, but I was short on creds. My solution? Recruit a Juve and give him every every negative genesmithing trait available. Then kitbash a dude who looks like something that should have been flushed. Meet Lucky.

>>95787514
Expect the printer itself to crap out within three years though, just modern electronics being what they are.
But that's still huge savings.
>Those that play one skirmish game exclusively, and within this game, they play only one or two warbands or teams, with zero interest to ever try something else
I was in this demographic too, but then 3D printing removed the cost barrier and suddenly I realized I could realistically own every faction for my game.

>>95789786
>My solution? Recruit a Juve and give him every every negative genesmithing trait available
You can only have 1 genesmith for juve.

>>95789846

Ah shit. Well,I'll see if the guys want to allow it.

>>95787505
tldr
I buy a KOW box of 40 goblins for 15 bucks, I don't need to spend 300 or more to start to spend more to start to print. 300 is I don't even know how many warcry warbands or whatever

>>95787505
>When will this bullshit ever end?
It won't. There are a shitload of people who feel like tools that require more than 1 step to use are just utterly unfathomable and don't understand how to do anything in a safe way. See the literal millions of people who can't work an inkjet printer, or everyone in history who couldn't get a VHS recorder to work properly, or that there are thousands of chlorine exposures every year in the US due to people mixing household cleaning products.

You might think that basic chemical safety is obvious, that pressing a few buttons on a touchscreen is easy, and that the 5 minute process of washing and curing prints isn't more difficult than doing the dishes. Other people see that process as being an irreducibly complex problem that they simply cannot even begin to approach. While some of those people could actually operate a printer easily if they were made to and someone walked them through it, many of them wouldn't, and some of them would break the printer and/or hurt themselves trying.

This is not helped by the existence of actual 3D printing hobbyists. Those people who have a 3D printer for no other reason than because they're cool and do nothing but print stress tests and benchies from various filaments for no particular purpose. This is also what 70% of all 3D printing content on youtube is, incidentally.

Hello, /gwsg/! Just wanted to share something I posted in /hhg/. This may be a shot in the dark, but I could use feedback for a NetEpic Armageddon list I'm working on. It's for a Mechanicum Taghmata army. Any feedback on the units, formation tables, and point costs -- which are very much a work in progress -- is very much appreciated. The long term goal is to get this approved for the tournament pack list of armies. Thank you in advance.

>>95792024

>>95792029

>>95792039

>>95791673
Exactly. A printer is not for you then if you are fine with your goblin warband for years to come.
But if you want to dabble into Necromunda, Mordheim, Bloodbowl, Kill Team, and all kinds of other games, it will be worth it in no time.

>>95795711
>if you want to dabble into Necromunda, Mordheim, Bloodbowl, Kill Team,
I'm going to be printing a Necromunda Gang with my next bottle of resin just because it's only like, $5 worth of material to do so.
Might never play Necromunda, but I'll be ready to if it comes up.

>>95773291 (OP)
TQ - Fuck all happening currently anon, i'm a necromunda player and I do not give a shit about ash waste nomads nor the rumored enforcer/corpse grinder cult releases, so at the moment its an agonising lack of content.

So, I can find lots of information on how to put together a starter Escher gang, but I'm having trouble finding anything about developing one.
I see some off hand comments here and there on like dakka dakka and yaktribe, such as sisters with shotguns and have a sister with dual flamer pistols, but no context for when to recruit these or how to use them.
Anyone got a link to a write up on developing an Escher gang or perhaps care to expound on your own thoughts regarding such?

>>95800406
Depends on so many things it's next to impossible to give specific advice. Do you have vehicles? Some campaigns have an average of 10 fighters per scenario, others 7. Some campaigns have easier, harder, or no access to Trading post, your gang might or might not be outlaw, you might get amazing credit rolls in your first few games, or lose a champ and a leader.
Generally as a campaign goes on the main thing that happens is fighters, especially champions, try to become harder to kill. Being able to deal with T4/5, 2-3W, 3+/4+ armour save models that are likely to one-shot a ganger each turn becomes the goal. So either you want those hard hitting basic weapons (hotshot, bolters, firestorm, executioner), armour up yourself, or go for whatever fun stuff you feel like. A lot of escher spend 20-50c per game on chems as well, which might limit your upgrade potential.

>>95800406
>a sister with dual flamer pistols, but no context for when to recruit these or how to use them.

This shit is a completely worthless meme build because Hand Flamer isn't a pistol and you can't use both at the same time.

> developing an Escher gang
The exact same way you develop any gang, stock on credit, buy armor, buy plasma, buy pet for wyld runner, buy gangers as backup for injured/dead one. Escher generally spend a lot of cred on toxic ammo.

>>95800406
Like >>95800575
>>95800679
Have said, it varies, depends on what you're trying to do and your local meta too.
Sometimes you need heavy hitting weapons as everyone is going for wounds, toughness, armour etc.
Last campaign I played was low toughness generally so S4 -1 AP could deal with everything pretty well.
Toxic and gas Chem alchemy is an absolute wonder to play with. Personally I like to make a few combos and then stick to the. So it's easy to remember.
Toxic ranged, toxic melee, gas ranged ast more generic options then a couple of fun ones to mix things up.

>>95800859
Also double flamers are completely useless. As they said too. Unless there's a skill I don't know of that lets you fire 2 pistols at once, then I see no point in the double up at all

>>95800862
You can fire 2 pistols with the "sidearm" trait at once, the rule is called "twin gun blazing", and Hand Flamer doesn't have "sidearm", making it technically not a pistol.

>>95800889
Lol. So absolutely terrible.

For the initial anon, if you want a spare weapon, give me a stub gun or lasgun.
I have a sniper with a needle rifle, she has the worst ammo rules so I always give her a lasgun

>>95774401
>>95780236
Why is this nigga wearing lipstick

>>95774066
>>95773291 (OP)
>Most of the specialist games being dead or solved doesn't help either.
it's also that there's just not a lot to post about when games are just... continuing to be great. there's only so many times you can have a conversation that's a variant of "so warmaster is still awesome" "yup". sure you might occasionally post a pic of your new army or a battle report, but when games are solid most of your engagement is just playing them.

there's no bitching about how much they fucked up the newest ruleset when it's the same old reliable ruleset. there's no bitching about overpowered or trash units when the balance is good. there's no long winded "does this list work" posts if players know their lists work and stick with them. there's no official vs proxy vs print consolewarring when there's no official line. there's no doomsaying when there isn't a doom hanging over everybody. and if you take all that crap away from a "popular" game thread you'll realize there aren't many posts at all.

>>95801388

Absolutely correct. A slow gen isn't a bad thing.

Necromundanons, how did your last game go?

I ran Gang Moot with 4 players a couple weeks ago to intro a friend to the game. Goliath vs. Escher vs. Outcasts (Orks) vs.Venators (Kill Team Aquilons).
https://www.necroraw.ru/docs/scenarios/scenario-list/gang-moot

It's a decent multi-player scenario as long as you keep track of the rules.We forgot that non ready fighters could move 6" in the end phase, which meant that we all missed a few activations. Ended up with the Goliaths and Orks mauling each other early, while the Eschers and Venators took pot shots. Narrow Venator victory at the end. Luckily, the winner was the guy playing for the first time so he's down to join.

>>95801545
Ork should have been Beastman venator while Space Marine should have been Spyrer.

Anyone have the Necromunda Tribes of the wastelands pdf?

>>95801798
https://files.catbox.moe/8c1i6z.pdf

>>95801810
Oooh! Nice one. Cheers.

These are the blood bowl teams my friends have. What team has the least overlap with them in gameplay?
Humans
Orcs
Undead
Dark elves

>>95801649
Why are you talking about space marine?

>>95802465
I've mistaken Tempestus for the Strike Force Justian.

>>95802503
No one sane would use Marine in Necromunda. It would be like using M4 Sherman in Punic war era wargame. Could be funny once, but totally missing the point of the game.

>>95801649

Ork dude was playing pic related, so we figured the Outcast "horde of numptys" template fit better. No space marines;
Aquilons are just Imperial Guard with parachutes

>>95802956

fuck

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>>95802965
This fit the ratling venator more than Outcast. Outcast has their niche but Venator simply has a lot more choices to make a more authentic proxy/

I've printed some 10mm Beastmen. How should i base them for Warmaster? 2 or 3 strips per base?

>>95800679
>because Hand Flamer isn't a pistol and you can't use both at the same time.
Huh, it's on the Pistol list in HoB.

>>95803266
Leaving the strips/circles on 6mm/10mm minis is ugly as fuck.

>>95803462
read >>95800889

>>95803266
2 strips per base, 3 will probably be too many

>>95782515
>>95801380
Are they really a tranny? I just thought they were Irish hence the face and body of a beaten sack of potatoes.

>>95803802
Mannish danger hair vs tranny is not a huge difference.

>>95803471
And cutting them off is tedious as fuck, so i will simply cover them with some earth paste.

>>95803471
they generally get integrated in to the basing so you don't see them in the final mini

>>95801545
Sump Seas, 9 boats repeatedly crashed into each other, gangers were leaping between boats, spiders got blasted.

Was an amazing campaign finale

Are there any good sources for Mordheim warband STLs?
Just the usual suspects like Cults, or is there something better?

>>95807765

What are you looking for? Scanned originals? Or just proxies? For the first: Telegram ofc. For the later: MMF (myminifactory).

Cults is a garbage site with horrible performance and horrible search engine.

>>95808011
Ideally originals, but it depends on the model quality/appeal..
I'm still just looking, not started anything. I have until October before the people I'm playing with want to get started, so checking out the warbands still at the moment.

>>95808150
check these for examples:
https://www.myminifactory.com/users/MagoriMiniatures#/

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-witch-hunters-warband-set-1-475579

But with proxies its always a subject of taste.

>>95806788

Sounds dope. 3d printed boats or some kind of scratch built?

I'm arbitrating a campaign soon, and I wanted to set it in Sump City, but I'm a bit leery of all the terrain and boats I'd need to build.

>>95808357
Both. Converted toy boats, 3D printed and even a boat made of junk.

Main things to be aware of are space needed for them to move around in.
What happens when you fall in the sump sea.
Boat interactions which can be annoying when there's a lot jam and everything pinballs around. Best is to have spread out objectives so there's not a single middle one to cause issues

>>95808011
>Cults is a garbage site
You still need to search it along with MMF and Thingiverse, each has files that the others don't.

Anyone have the new mesbg armies pdf?

>>95801942
That's two bash teams, one agility team, and one all-rounder. The agility team is the one agility team closest to an all-rounder agility team, so you could either go for a more all-in agility team like Wood or Pro Elves, or you could go for a stunty team of which he has none (goblins, snotlings, halflings, gnomes).

Is this for you to play with him, or as a gift? If the former, just beware that agility teams have a bit of a steeper learning curve for new coaches, and stunty teams are handicap teams intended for veteran coaches.

>>95773291 (OP)
Im thinking of trying my hand at mordheim with some of the 100 years war minis I have.

Though the knights might be a bit too decked out for early game play.

>>95811640
woops

>Suladan is the only mounted Harad hero now, but he's too expensive to actually mount
>serpent riders went up in point cost
>serpent riders and serpent guard are literally the exact same as last edition except you can't have more than 18(or 15 in the legions of the eye because Suladan is only a Valour there)
At least the raiders get to keep both lance and bow as an option.
What the actual fuck.

>>95811883
Of course raiders keep both as an option, that's what the models have in their hands so that's what all they can ever have.

>>95773291 (OP)
>TQ
Everyone is playing 40k or AOS proper because those are the games that everyone plays so no one bothers getting into the specialist games. It's a catch 22, luckily some games made it out like KT has garnered enough of an audience that now a good amount of people play that as well. Eventually as the baseline game gets overwhelmed by sweats and normies more people will move on to the SGs.

>>95780130
Shadow War was just a rule book, starter set and basically a beta test for KT. Warcry was canceled because it didn't sell well. To this day you can still find the fomo boxes on amazon and ebay at a discount. Compare that with Kill Team where most boxes sell out in minutes. Underworlds only lasted this long because painters loved to buy the individual releases. However there wasn't a huge competitive scene. The biggest mistake GW did was make their card game take place in the AOS universe.

>>95811946
Considering how badly neutered options are, it wouldn't have surprised me of they got rid of them.
Kinda how black Numenoreans can't have banners but Morgul knights, aka mounted black Numenoreans, do.

>mordheim PC game included in amazon prime gaming subscription
>laying the groundwork for the upcoming unannounced mordheim rerelease

$80 per warband and $40 per character/mercenary
See you in six months

>>95813022
Grim.
Wait, the game that's like $3 on GOG?

>>95774401
jim sterling does wargaming now
HH has been on a downward spiral since alan passed
but lotr was wasn't destroyed literally the worst thing is legions

>>95810543
For me to play with. Is skaven an agility team? I know gutter runners are fast. I'm not too worried about learning curve

Any recommendation for 10-15mm 3d print/STL Space Hulk proxies?

>>95815102
They're an agility team, yea. More bash potential than any elf team given that they have S access blitzers, a big guy, and cheap linemen for fouls, but it isn't right to call them an all-rounder team because like any agility team a proper bash team popping off on casualties can just ruin their day, and they're more vulnerable to it because they can't disengage easily like a team of AG2+ players can. But the gutter runners can let them run circles even around most elf teams.

>>95815205
most things made for 28mm can just be scaled down to 15mm in the slicer. you just need to redo the supports in most cases. for 10mm I'd go the other route and upscale from 6mm.

>>95813022
It'll be $60 but that will just be for a "starter" warband. by the time you fill out the roster and get all the options you're in for $200. and it will all be nu-gw "unique" crap so you can't just build out of a frostgrave box.

>>95813022
>>95817345
I genuinely cannot conceive the idea of being a GW fan who semi-regularly consumes their products and choosing not to switch to a 3D printer

>>95819287
if you want to shave five plus years off your life and coat all your belongings in smuckers magic shell topping to print 200 bottom of the barrel unity store asset flips that you will never ever paint I can see the use for a 3d printer.

you're also paying for not having to spend the time setting up and scraping off little supports. GW stuff is overpriced but "just get a resin printer bro!" is only good advice if you have the space and want a new hobby of finding stls and printing them

>>95820212
That's some pretty intense projection coming from a grey tider who buys boxes that sit unopened in a closet.

>>95820312
NTA but if you have any organisation skills and self control, avoiding a grey tide is remarkably easy

>>95821042
I was being sarcastic, the stupidity of anons post deserved nothing more.

>>95821053
There's definitely issues with raw dogging a 3D printer. But if you have a proper set up and take all the precautions I don't see any issues with it

Do you think a Twilight Struggle or Axis&Aliies like board game for the Horus Heresy(to keep it limited to two factions) would work?
They've tried in 1993 and 2010 but those were limited to just the siege of Terra, having one that includes the whole galaxy would be neat.

>>95774150
June 21 pre orders open

Do we have a PDF of the new MESBG books? Want to take a look at them, if possible, to see what has really changed with this newedition (aside from squatting a ton of options).

>>95774066
>Kill Team fanbase is fucking awful so thank God they don't hang out here.
I'm a Kill Team fan, what makes us so awful?

>>95821881
NTA but how the entire focus is on competitive

>>95821889
Huh? I play only at my local LGS and with friends, how the fuck is the focus on comp

>Redditors seething about warcry getting cancelled blame the superior Kill Team chads for their demise
loving every laugh
Also, they're fully ignoring how every single box of 3rd Edition had completly new models
>Tempestus
New Models
>Vespids
New Models
>Wrecka Krew
New Models
>Ratlings
New Models
>Goremongers
New Models
>Sanctifiers
New Models
The only "recycled" models are in the upcoming typhon box, and it's two out of the entire admech team, with the tyranid team being fullz new models too

>>95821916
Forgot my pic

>>95821916
GW's greed killed warcry, had they keep the price low and keep bumping out bundle game would have seen moderate success from people buying the bundle to play AoS and Warcry.

They initially made Warcry catering to retards who are too lazy to read, but then the most "fun" aspect of warcry is the unit mix and match, and the campaign and the dozen of different upgrade and optional rule, which would require lots of reading, a complete self-cuck design.

>>95821939
All true, but my point was that seething at Kill Team and GW for "Just repacking old models with an upgrade sprue", when most of the KT releases were completly new designs tastes of extreme butthurt

>>95821892
It's obviously not everyone. Same as how not everyone who plays modern 40k is awful. But a lot of the Kill Team discourse and overall focus is specifically on the comp side of the game.

>>95821585
As a one off small game, yes. As something ongoing, no.

>>95821951
There was a fair while where every box was 1 team of upgrade sprues vs 1 team of all new sculpts

>>95822028
That hasn't been the case since the start of 3rd Edition though. This comment was made yesterday, once the realization settled in that warcry will be cancelled.

>>95821951
>>95822044
I'd say Warcry would benefit greatly from the "upgrade kit" route actually. Imagine the 7 OG Warcry bands on their 3 tiny sprues got a 1 or 2 sprue upgrade with a bunch of new weapons, that would be fantastic.

>>95822028
>a fair while

Actually, the entire first edition of the game was always 2 new squads in the first box of each season, and then always one newly sculpted team vs one based on an upgrade sprue and and existing squad.
Only with KT24 they started with 2 new teams in each box, not only the first one. Maybe KT21 sold well enough to justify that.. idk.
I'm okay with both desu, and its completely subjective anyway. To me, some of the new teams are complete miss, while stuff like the Night Lords sprue is amazing.

>Octarius
new vs new
>chalnath
new vs upgrade
>moroch
new vs upgrade
nachmund
new vs upgrade

>Into the dark
new vs new
>shadowvaults
new vs upgrade
>soulshackle
new vs upgrade
>gallowfall
new vs upgrade

>ashes of faith
new vs old stuff without upgrades

>salvation
new vs new
>nightmare
new vs upgrade
>termination
new vs upgrade

If they would do something similar with Warcry, i would be all for it.

>>95821939
Warcry went bad when they stopped making it about various weird and flavourful chaos warbands fighting each other and it became a "all AoS factions get rules"-type of game.
It essentially (despite different rules) became what Kill Team 2018 was: a mini-AoS. And nobody really needs or wants that.

>>95822506
In general, I think Kill Team is a cool system and I don't understand the hate it gets
Warcry-sissys also keep complaining about the lack of list-building, like Kill Team doesn't allow you to bring different operatives with different loadouts. Like, yeah, you're going to be a bit more restricted, but there's still the debate of bringing more specialists vs more generalists, what guns to give to who etc. Hunter Clade is a fucking nightmare to list build for example

>>95821916
>it's two out of the entire admech team
What admech model is reused besides the technoarchaeologist?

>>95823794
>>95821916
Dont forget about the small nids, but i would say its two new teams with some freebies on top.
Like the Blooded set is also a new team, despite the Commisar and Ogryn from BSF .

>>95823968
>some freebies
Nothing is free, it will jack up the price of the box, they just want to clear up inventory of unsold models, meanwhile the everyone has a gazillion of Termagaunts from leviathan but all the good weapons are in the upgrade sprue, which GW sold separatedly.

>>95824058
Lets see the pricetag of that box first, before speculating. If its the same price as Blood and Zeal or Brutal and Cunning (here 84€ with discount), then i would consider the little gaunts "free". If they raise the price, it will be interesting by how much.

>>95821939
Warcry died because of two reasons. First of all it takes place in AOS which already has less fans than 40k and second it didn't know what it was. It tried to everything. An easy to pick up competitive game with narrative elements that has unique sculpts and you can also play with regular AOS models. Very ambitious and honestly this should have been encouraged in some ways but it ultimately failed to capture an audience. The competitive aspect should have been completely dropped, it was an unbalanced game hy the sheer number of different units you could take and it's list building elements. KT for all it's faults solved this with more or less fixed teams. WC could have been saved if GW focused more on the narrative aspect and slowed the fuck down on the released schedule. Don't get me wrong I loved all the Gnarlwood releases but the rate they were coming out was ridiculous for a game that was only half as popular as KT. If they made WC more like necromunda, maybe had made one or two warhammer quest/ hive secundus box instead four large boxes and three small ones.

Hi boys. I want to get into epic scale GW. Any tips/advice for me?

>>95825327
Print

>>95825343
Oh for sure… already doing that.

>>95825312
Agree.
Also the terrible flesh tree terrain didn't help.
IMO they either need to go one of two ways either a narrative crunchy game like Necromunda/Mordheim or make it a more quick and easy game, but fixed teams like Kill Team

>>95826300
>but fixed teams
Go fuck yourself with a rusty pipe, no lube.

>>95826300
What's funny is that it started as a pseudo-fixed team game. I think the other issue is that unlike KT21/24 most of the bespoke warbands were too different aesthetically or in terms of unit type to tie-in with existing armies.

>>95827195
The AoS factions packs were released at launch. The Original warbands were bloody expensive for 3 tiny sprues when Start collecting boxes existed and you get 5-6 times the amounts of plastic, and it's cheaper than buying 2 warband boxes.

Warcry was launched in the stingy era where GW want to make to smallest kits possible but still sell for the same price, which led to some really shitty kits like : the warcry warband, deathshroud terminator, GSC Aberrant, Slaanesh Fiends, Beast of Nurgle, The Rogue Trader killteam. They get a budget increase since catacomb but it's still no match for the AoS warband when 1 single AoS fighter got an entire kit.

KT21 avoided the god awful stingy era and the kits were 2.5-3 sprues, which give them lots of options and gubbins, KT also used the interchangeable generic dude to special instead of the tier-fighter like Warcry. However in recent years, it looks like KT has went down the stingy era path again with the releases of Inquisitorial Agent, and newer team now only come in 2 sprues, and shit like Ratling didn't even come with the Ogryn, which they could easily put in if the Ratling KT was a 3 sprue kits. The dreadful future of these shitty practice is every team gonna be midgets on 3 tiny sprues and you have to pay up the ass for 40k kit to have a complete team.

The funny part is GW stingy practice made no fucking sense when you considered they made truckload of one off and promotional models. fucking hell they even "remake" the new skeleton warriors kit, and this is exact same skeleton, but "easier to build" because apparently retards have trouble putting them together.

>>95826983
I mean like Kill Team, so you have some options, but it's not full AoS roster.

>>95827195
Exactly how it started, you have your individual faction, can build based only on them.

>>95827733
I would love upgrade packs. Especially for older kits. If they keep it as full AoS range, give us a Witch Elf upgrade sprue

>>95827754
>like Kill Team, so you have some options
That's not options.
If you're going to lay kill team the only way to do so is by the original rules, anything else, especially shape-related is wrong and gay.

>>95773291 (OP)
>>95773291 (OP)
I’m playing shambling undead in a league and need some second options on what to spend my money on. My roster is:
>2 mummies
>2 wights
>3 ghouls
>5 zombies
>2 rerolls

I have 150,000 saved up right now, should I buy a fourth ghoul or third reroll?

Bonus question: what first skill would you give a mummy, guard or stand firm?

>>95821916
There’s nothing good about killing team, I like some concepts of 2021 kt but it’s still not a good game. What followed was garbage.

>>95774401
What a gay FAGGOT

>>95827733
>The Original warbands were bloody expensive for 3 tiny sprues

Didn't they half the boxes at some point?

>>95827973
The original 7 got a 2 packs release for AoS for 65$ after 6 months, which was quickly raised to 75$, then they retired them altogether. During the period AoS team also got 2-units box at the 50$-75$, except their value were much higher.

>>95827764
Fuck shapes.
I mean as in restricted as in:
Using Darkoath as an example as I have them
Leader option of sword or axe
Conan and big chick with their weapon options
1* witch
1* claw dude
4* Juve guys with their weapon options.

>>95828105
>Juve
There're no "juve", Warcry fighters are tiered and completely bound to their hierarchy, a Juve has a dream to become something more than that, while a bottom tier warcry fighter will remain the bottom feeder for the rest of their life.

>>95827803
Riveting arguments

any mad lads have the PDFs for current MESBG edition? rulebook + army books?

>>95823045
Most of teh hate it gets is because lots of the "fans" are really agressive unfriendly a.holes. (also full of trolls)

>>95821881
>Majority of the fanbase is made of secondaries
>Extremely strong cultist mindset - most Kill Team players got into wargaming with Kill Team and they think they are obligated to defend GW at any cost
>Coonsoming is a sacrament for KT players - many were defending GW's decision to axe all the Compendium content and switch fully to the DLC system
>Most of the focus is put on competitive when the game itself is poorly designed and quite awful for competitive gaming (TLoS, DLC gubbins, convoluted and unclear obscured/cover rules etc.)
>Super anti-hobbyist crowd, it was common to see people "proxy" Legionaries with whatever minis on 32mm bases they had when they were top meta
Majority of KT players are mindless corporate drones. It is insane how bad it got with the switch to KT21.
First they were defending GW's decision to remove listbuilding since "you can build a team with a single troops box now!". Then when GW started to tweak Compendium lists and make you buy multiple boxes, they claimed GW is actually very mindful and merciful by letting you play with your old models. People were fucking cheering when Compendium got axed just out of spite. They are the same kind of people that cheered for Universes Beyond sets in MtG, discontinuing Challenger Decks and making all the formats more expensive and less fun. It is kind of hilarious honestly, in my LGS KT players are extremely hostile towards 40k players since 40k crowd is made of veterans and people with years of negative experience with GW.

>>95828945
gw should just take the plunge and turn kill team into a prepainted pvc minis bullshit game

Also warcry is dead isnt it?

>>95828945
>Majority of the fanbase is made of secondaries
How can someone who's playing an official GW game set in 40k with official 40k minis be a secondary?

>>95829032
I don't think you know what secondary means in the context of hobbies. I advise to lurk more.

>>95829038
I don't think you use the correct definition, I advise you kill yourself

>>95829038
Secondaries are people that primarily engage with a hobby through secondary sources, i.e. fan-content. People that get all their Warhammer knowledge from youtube lore videos, podcasts, memes or 1d4chan are secondaries. People that actually read the books, build/paint/play the minis or watch the shows are primaries. So, how are people that build/paint/play official Warhammer 40k specialist games, made by GW, secondaries. They are directly engaging with primary content, made by the owners of 40k.

>>95825327
have you already set on a ruleset and army? there's a few different versions of epic that are commonly played in different regions.

>>95828945
>i dont like thing
>therefore, everyone who likes it is buzzword xy.

you are a retard

>an official GW game set in 40k with official 40k minis be a secondary?

They are KT primaries, but if they do not actually engage with 40k (as a game) they are 40k secondaries.
But if you combine all of GWs games into one big "warhammer-hobby", then of course, they are all primaries, no matter what game is played.

>>95829118
Secondary stands for people who got into the hobby by indirect means like secondary sources as well i.e. memes or wiki. You can be considered a secondary even if you have minis if you don't define Warhammer only as a wargame. Many people will consider you a secondary if you don't paint your models, engage only with pre-processed materials instead of engaging with primary sources (novels, source books) and so on.

>>95829209
>who got into the hobby by indirect means like secondary sources as well
That's retarded and implies that people that saw a warhammer meme before reading their first book/playing their first game are forever doomed to be secondaries. Which is probably the majority of people under the age of 30 in the hobby at this point, because people need to be exposed to a subject before they can engage with it.
>Many people will consider you a secondary if you don't paint your models
>instead of engaging with primary sources (novels, source books)
You're not seriously arguing that a person that plays two games a week but only has a grey tide is a secondary, while someone that never played a game in his life but read a ciaphas cain novel once is a primary?

>>95829209
So anyone that is not introduced by other hobbyists directly to the hobby is a secondary? anyone that likes other media besides the wargame is a secondary even if they startet out with the wargame? diskussing things in a forum or elswhere is considered secondary behaviour? so basically everyone that is engaging in the hobby in any non official way or that is not "considered" the core basics of the hobby ALONE is automatically a secondary got it. Theoretically novels would also disqualify primarys already under theses conditions because everything that is not a rulebook is already secondary media.

>>95829209
>instead of engaging with primary sources (novels, source books)

And many people will argue that only a codex is a primary source, and novels are 100% secondary. Its a silly concept in itself, because everyone will make his own definition.

>>95829258
>because everyone will make his own definition.
That's already happening, it'll just always boil down to what>>95829196 said
>i dont like thing
>therefore, everyone who likes it is buzzword xy.
Can be anything from secondary, tranny to shill, whatever.

>>95829209
>primary sources
>novels

>>95823794
not the guy you are replying to but the heavy bolter servitor I think.

>>95825312
lack of actual fluff at release at the design philosophy didn't help, the original rulebook had fuck all lore about any of the guys involved, most of it you had to glean from the tie in anthology novel.

And then you had the fact that their was no real advancement and lots of the trop types just looked like one another, iron golems had a cool aesthetic but the leader mini and champs just looked like the troops.

>>95829325
>released by GW
its primary sources.

>>95829337
>but the heavy bolter servitor I think.

No, its not. The servitor in the BSF set looks different (and has no heavy bolter), and the gun servitor in the inquistions squad is not on an individual sprue.
They all share the same basic design ideas of course, but they are different, and all the servitors in the coming box set are new

>>95829348
Still annoys me that there is no way to incorporate X-101 into any other game system.

>>95829445
People has been using him as Orlock Lugger for several years now.

>>95829445
He did have 40k rules and i think he now has legends rules? not sure.

>>95829445
He will be easily useable as a proxy in that Servitor KT, and for sure that team will get 40k rules.

>>95829471
>>95829486
>>95829676

Obviously you can be as generous as you like with proxying, but they should have just recut the sprue when they did the same for the tech priest to sell it on its own and done them as paired characters in 40k rules too.

>>95829698
They did, didn't they? The servitor was among the minis for that barnes&nobles game at some point.

For a new blood bowl league I’m trying to decide between Elven Union, Khorne, and Tomb Kings. Can anyone give me opinions on any of these teams and what the gameplan is for each team?

>>95829877
No, they sell the tech priest as his own unit in a single clampack, which the original sprue didn't fit so they obviously recut it. But they didn't do the same for X-101, they just gave him legends rules. You're probably thinking of the Combat Arena box which just used the existing BSF sprue and all the starting heroes it came with.

>>95830172
>Elf Union
They're a favorite of mine, the catchers and blitzers are some of the most interesting elf positions in the game. They are a high-offense team, it's very difficult to completely shut them out from scoring over 2 turns because of the mobility and nerves of steel on the catchers. Defense can be tough, particularly in the first few games, but once a couple catchers pick up block and wrestle you have a lot of range for threatening sacks that your opponent will have to respect, which will slow them down and afford you time for the typical elf screen defense.

>Tomb Kings
Not a lot of personal experience with them besides as an opponent. In that light my advice would be not to count too much on the Tomb Guardians. They're not there to deal damage until much later in the team's development, instead they are a midfield wall that shuts down your opponent from trying to push into your half for a steal after your thro-ra fumbles his third pick-up attempt. In that light it's fine to not activate all of them in a turn even if blocks are available until you are confident in your position. Similarly on defense you control a lot of space by virtue of mass S5, but you can't spread them out too far or they will get domino blocked down. Instead use it to dictate the direction your opponent must go and then squeeze their offensive formation between the guardians and the rest of your team.

>Khorne
Unfortunately I've got very little experience with these guys, none coaching and only a handful of games against.

>>95830416
>No, they sell the tech priest as his own unit in a single clampack, which the original sprue didn't fit so they obviously recut it. But they didn't do the same for X-101, they just gave him legends rules. You're probably thinking of the Combat Arena box which just used the existing BSF sprue and all the starting heroes it came with.
The team originally come from the B&N first as Combat Arena before being re-release in BSF Escalation with a massive price hike.

>>95829209
I would argue this definition is MOSTLY correct but needs to be adjusted to reflect if a person's only involvement with any GW product is through memes, wikis, secondary sources (IE they don't purchase, paint, and play with the miniatures). For 90% of conversations on this site, secondary applies if you don't play the games, even just painting isn't enough (though I would argue that the people who are just in it to paint cool models left GW long ago due to price and dawn of the 3d printing age).

>>95830453
Right, my mistake. Point being all 5 of those were originally on intermixed sprues, and the only one they bothered to go in and recut for an individual sprue was the tech-priest.

>>95830466
They did the same for Egghead, they picked the 2 most hideous character from that packs and wasted machining time instead of just release the whole fucking team for like 60 buck. Fucking retards man...

>>95830466
>>95830477
Who knows if they will rerelease it at some point. its available from chang and ivan too tho

I haven't played in 15 years, why are there so many troons in the hobby now?

>>95830956
The reward of tolerance is death.

>>95830956
Just put more mirrors up at your local hobby store

>>95830956
It's pretty easy to manipulate neglected children into doing retarded shit, from doing deadly tiktok stunts for clout into taking chemical and perform "free" operation on their body.

>>95831003
Yeah but what has this to do with miniature wargames

>>95831198
Because these kind of people love to invade and "conquer" other people's hobbies, especially one that was dominated by male, surprise surprised video gaming, comic and toy soldiers are male hobby. It's a fucking hive mind, real life Genestealer Cult shit.

>>95831234
okay okay, get back ton conquering your glizzy and bad dragon

>>95830973
>>95830983
>>95831234

Well that sucks, half of the people lurking in my local hobby shops are these creatures now

>>95828234
What does that last part say?

Why the fuck is /ktg/ back in here? These assholes have their own thread.

>>95831242
3D print, play at home with your buddies, let the LGS die.

>>95831274
the games kinda bad so they need to migrate

>>95831285
>kinda bad
That's a generously polite way to put it.

>>95831198
Long story short, left ideology are still made that their ideas did not fit reality and are actively destroying entertainment so that the regular folk will be mad and some how this will lead to a communist revolution.
Basically the other side of the Domino Effect, while the domino effect forgot that the lefty ideas will implode due to how retarded they are in practice. This guys forget that the regular guys will not be angry and revolt against class, but revolt against the people destroying their entertainment.

>>95831258
That didn't happen in the actual game, not only that but the "Hero" in the team got more renown and exclusive trait too.

>>95831295
What did I miss? I only played the first two.
The one that came with the 4th edition rulebook and the stand alone during 8th.
The one with shapes and fixed teams killed all interest I had with it. (Similar thing happen with 10th)

>>95831331
>The one that came with the 4th edition rulebook
This is the only version worth playing.

>>95831331
Nothing, it's the most popular specialist game, so people are obligated to hate it
Same reason people are cocksucking warcry so hard, because it's dead now

>>95831388
"popular" is not an indicator of quality.
desperate housewives was popular, big bang theory was popular, fidget spinners were popular.

>>95831480
While Betamax and HD-DVD were both unpopular despite being superior formats to their competition, Firefly was also unpopular.

>>95831480
>desperate housewives was popular, big bang theory was popular

>>95832039
>Firefly was also unpopular

That's the point: Desperate Housewives & Big Band Theory are of better quality than Firefly.

>>95827801
Bumping for help

>>95832659
>Desperate Housewives & Big Band Theory are of better quality than Firefly.
Tits or GTFO

reroll, you have enough sideline players, guard first.

>>95833229
for >>95832819

>>95833229
Thanks man

>>95833387
I suggest the threedieblock podcast episodes on undead as well, even the pre-2020 ones they're still 90% relevant.

Is there any reason Black Orc Goblin models wouldnt' work in a Goblin team?

>>95833621
Just general stylistic differences in the uniforms and the way they're sculpted. Black Orc goblins actually look more like gnoblars to me, the ears are gigantic and the heads are broader.

>>95833637
Ah well. I'm just trying to figure out something to do with these Black Orc sprues from the starter because I know I don't want to play Black Orcs

Anyone know where i can find WHQ95 models to print ?
Found a pastebin with links to thingiverse but they were all taken down. i guess an archive must exist somewhere.

>>95833818
You can do whatever you’d like with them, just make sure it’s easy to tell who’s who or label the base

>>95833818
I'm 3D printing so it's a little different, but not much, what I've got planned is a superteam that covers blorcs, orcs and underworld because the trolls and goblins are shared across all three and the blorcs are shared across two, so what would've been 48 minis is now trimmed down to 32 all sharing one paint scheme.

>>95831234
We've had a tranny and a turbo-animecutesey weeb 'man' sign-up to our Necromunda campaigns. The tranny couldn't manage to build their gang in time for a campaign to start and dropped out before even starting, while the weeb was angry about the game being 'unbalanced' and 'unfair' and went to Kill team. The only truly troublesome people we have are two ultra-autist-neets with zero social skills and who get angry while playing when the dice aren't on their side, but they are at least very invested in the campaign side of things.

>>95831480
Point out where I said "It's popular, therefore it is good"
I said, "It's popular, therefore it is hated"

>>95835683
>while the weeb was angry about the game being 'unbalanced' and 'unfair' and went to Kill team.

Noob here, what's wrong with kill team?

>>95836463
meta faggotry that has no direction other than being anti fun

>>95836463
Nothing really, but bittervets are still salty that they cant use their KT18 teams in an 1 to 1 port.

>>95835683
There were 2 in my last campaign, they were actually fine. A bit disorganised and needed to keep referring to rules a bit too often, but would play with again.

However, have had to play with other troons who were fucking awful. I was actually worried when there were two in this last campaign

>>95830956
Because the nerd to troon pipeline is real.
The guy in my friend group who's idea of humor consisted of shouting WAAAGH and HERESY cut off his dick and started wearing sundresses.

>>95836784
>idea of humor consisted of shouting WAAAGH and HERESY

Fuck, literally me.
How do I avoid real life Troon corruption?

>>95836938
to late, like chaos once you are tainted it is over... (just a joke by the way)

>>95830956
Degeneracy became normalized as USAID spread the globohomo in the west. It will die out in 5-10 years. Just gatekeep diligently.

>>95836938
Just stop it. There is not trick or big secret process.
Just like being fat, simply stop eating and take a walk for like 30 minutes ideally have walk very fast half that time.

>>95836938
Work on improving yourself, do not expect magic pill to do it for you.

>>95836938
Avoid porn, work out, and don't look to trans ideology as a solution. The last one being how so many people become troons. They find a welcoming community that exploits their insecurities and provides with them answers to them. Don't self diagnose your mental issues online, I had a loved one die because they did this.

>>95828945
The hobby isn't Warhammer the hobby is painting minis or playing table top games involving miniatures. Who hurt you?

>>95835686
>"It's popular, therefore it is hated"
Is an incredibly moronic statement, by definition.

Any Warmaster peeps here? Just ordered some Chorfs and Skaven.

>>95824058
I can't believe there are still people possessed of such childlike stupidity that they think "repacking unsold inventory" is a thing for GW.

Do you understand how labour-intensive and expensive it would be to have employees open a bunch of boxes of gaunts and redirect the sprues to a new boxed set?

>>95835689
Do any of the participants in this thread even care that Kill Team is not a "Specialist Game" (and that the distinction of "Specialist Game" no longer exists in an official capacity within Games Workshop)?

There are Main Studio games, of which Kill Team is one, and there are Specialist Design Studio games.

>>95844837
>There are Main Studio games, of which Kill Team is one, and there are Specialist Design Studio games.

Who made this definition? KT is among "other games", next to Necromunda. Its basically hidden in the GW webstore.

>>95844823
This. Its cheaper to throw away 1000 boxes of Gaunts and make 1000 new sprues than to pay someone for some hours at minimum wage to rebox 1000 boxes of Gaunts.

>>95843713

Yes. Great choice of armies.
If you haven't seen them, I'll happily shill for MeshyMesh if you want some alternative Chorf war machines. Dudes got loads of Azgorh-pattern stuff like Skullcrackers and Hellcannons in 10mm.

>>95844837
Yes but it's irrelevant to what you're replying to, and to many discussion.

>>95844883
Different department have different budget, Generally the small Specialist studio game (Necro, Bloodbowl, MESBG ) got smaller budget and even shared production line together with other bigger SDS like LI or HH, lead to drought in releases for the other games when one game is pushing for a big release.

It's also very important when someone want to apply for job at GW because you won't be working on KT if you're applying for Specialist Studio, actually you'll be doing multiple games which you don't even like, so the general speculation is that many Specialist Studio staffs don't really have passion for their games, and just waiting for a transfer to the "better department 40k and AoS", lead to some shittily written rules.

>>95844921
>so the general speculation is that many Specialist Studio staffs don't really have passion for their games, and just waiting for a transfer to the "better department 40k and AoS", lead to some shittily written rules.

But thats the complete opposite of "specialist games are more soulful"

>>95844970
Those are the games writting in the 90s-2000s by actual passionate hobbyists.

>>95844982
Both Necromunda and Warcry are very soulful, and so are most of the Underworlds minis.

>>95845003
Warcry and Underworld are written and designed by the AoS Team, Necromunda core was written by James Hewitt, a freelancer, before being handed to several people, for several years the game were a massive editing headache with typos that no one knew was a nerf/buff or mistake , splintered rules, rework, rules, and the worthless "Hive Wars" rulebook, if it wasn't for that guy Baxx and other autists of the community compiled Baxx's work into a readable format like Necroraw you wouldn't even want to play it.

>>95845038
warcry was carried by one guy who left the studio

>>95844921
>for Specialist Studio, actually you'll be doing multiple games which you don't even like, so the general speculation is that many Specialist Studio staffs don't really have passion for their games
This explains the current slopfest that is "blood bowl 2020"

>>95843462
And yet, I find it to be true most of the time

Kill Team is shit for one reason: It gave us Bheta Decima

>>95847292
>anecdote!
Moron.

>>95847509
Only a ktg faggot would know what even is.

>>95847656
AS opposed to your hard quantifiable evidence of why things are shit

>>95847656
>do not believe your lying eyes!
No.

>>95847931
Yes.

>>95808730
>>95808357
A Sump Sea campaign just started in my area and its been a blast to play. So far I've only seen scratch built boats or 3d prints, no toy conversions, but I also havent seen every gang yet. Pic rel, a WIP photo of my kitbash of plasticard/cardboard/3d printed bits tugboat

>Golfimbul the Gigachad
>Reclamation of Moria
>Fields of Celebrant
>Murin and Drar leading dwarf warriors
>Profiles added to most of the bare bones army lists
Now that the dust has settled, did the legacy documents save the new edition of Mesbg?

>>95845003
Agreed, I know most people hated the Gnarlwood and wanted to return to 8-Points but the campaign books have some of the best AOS lore I've read. They got you really invested in what was happening and had that soulful feel of old Warhammer where they dropped subtle hints of the larger world without over explaining.

>>95857203
Can you name those campaign books? I wouldn’t mind looking at them myself.

>>95857364
Order first to last
>Rot & Ruin
>Stealth & Stone
>Predator & Prey
>Might & Madness
>Hunter & Hunted
>Pyre & Flood (fucked upped the whole alliteration lol)
>Briar & Bone

>>95857364
Also incase you need them:
https://files.catbox.moe/f8uaw1.zip
https://files.catbox.moe/pbhopj.zip
First four on the top file and the remaining three in the bottom.

>>95857731
>>95857902
Thank you very much anon

>>95852238
Very nice anon.

>>95857731
>Pyre & Flood (fucked upped the whole alliteration lol)
Especially since Fire & Flood was right there.

Heads up, Forest Dragon have removed most of their files from Gumroad and are not responding to comments as to why.
Any chance they've got caught up in the GW legal storm?

>>95861990
They've been bitching about Gumroad's conditions for years, so it might just be a case of moving somewhere better.

>>95780335
i reformed my ways

>>95857902
Not him, but thank you!

>>95861990
sounds like it was GW action. pieces of shit.

>>95861990
>>95863263
Fug, I wanted their Man o'War ships.

Looking for MESBG Armies of Middle-earth and Armies of the Hobbit PDFs but not scans. Any help?

How're you guys liking the MESBG legacy lists?

>>95863703
Just pirate them?

>>95858008
>>95862605

>far harad lost all banners but they all have a 6+ save
>haradrim kings got buffed
>the golden king got buffed
>feral uruk-hai are still dogshit
Oooh!

>>95862580
Looking damn good. I used to love playing bfg against my self as a kid. I'd just draw where the ships were meant to be on a piece of paper and cross them out as they moved around.

>>95867123
>I'd just draw where the ships were meant to be on a piece of paper and cross them out as they moved around.
You just gave me flashbacks to playing vector races as a kid.

>>95865129
Much better than the aome book
>>95866509
far harad losing banners is pretty big but anyway the grand army of the south is back on the menu, boys
No idea how to rebase the golden king tho, I think I need to pin it but I never did such a thing before

>>95868766
I ain't rebasing.mine, just plopping him on a 50 mil with blue tack.

>>95862580
Looking good anon

>>95780130
Supposedly Shadow War was a rushed out product done as a fuck you to another team so they could spoil the terrain coming out earlier than intended. Which is a pity since despite being a poorly thought out hack job of not-N95 combined with the then current 40k it was a super viable gateway product concept that wouldn't have needed massive overhead or further real investment. All you needed was the rulebook and you could use basically any existing kit as it. But GW doesn't understand effective cross marketing and instead decided to do KT.

>>95861990
He wanted to leave Gumroad some time ago but didn't really have a better alternative in the end. So could just be the result of some site fucky wuckery. If GW legal was involved I would have imagined that his not-Empire and not-Greenskins would have been struck too. And he already knows what stuff he needs to tietoe around in regards to that from back when he started.

>>95861990
Actually the more I think about it the more I am inclined to think that he has probably sold some sort of exclusive production license to a 3rd party to physically print and sell that other stuff. For the right price that would certainly be worth it to him compared to drip fed sales.

Anyone have the Shadow War Armageddon ONE MAN ARMIES download? its disappeared from the WARCOM site

>>95873976
On Yaktribe.

>>95874004
The file im seeing seems to not have the units, only the missions for them

>>95874039

Looking for a repo of scans of old Specialist Games magazines, specifically Fanatic Necromunda and Exermintus.

>>95875568
Ext
https://files.catbox.moe/04kk9f.rar

Fanatic

https://litter.catbox.moe/zzbg0bgo10nrkj1q.rar

>>95875792

>>95875792
Thanks a lot legend

>>95873580
>Supposedly Shadow War was a rushed out product done as a fuck you to another team so they could spoil the terrain coming out earlier than intended.
Is GW run by teenage girls or something?

>>95875568
Necromunda

https://litter.catbox.moe/ikbhy70yts75qdci.rar

Does anyone have the Adeptus Titanicus main rulebook as PDF?

>>95876300
Beef between internal divisions in any corporation is more common that most would think. But GW take it to a new level with how long and sustained and petty they have supposedly been with it. I suppose that until it rocks the boat hard enough to lose them significant profit they aren't going to bother trying to clean it up.

>>95880135
>to lose them significant profit
GW has no conception of how much profit their business model costs them or they would have changed direction a long time ago.

>>95880144
definitely, tons of money left on the table over petty nonsense and weird decisions like fomo variant minis getting plastic kits, take those 'slots' and make some decent necromunda stuff instead, currently its one of the best ranges, plastic scavvies would sell obscenely well or better yet, a generic accessory kit, cadians got an upgrade kit, why not a general one?

Holsters, bounty hunter tags, the servo skull options, a caryatid etc.

>>95880144
GW is a case study in how not to run a business. They have managed to stumble their way to staying afloat due to the strength of their IPs but have taken every opportunity to try and kill it with their dumb practices. Their core inability to grasp cross marketing is what really truly hurts them in the long run as regardless of whatever fumbles they have on the tabletop production side of things they could have grown their IPs well beyond just being a tabletop wargame but they refuse to properly invest in it or loosen the reigns enough to let others who know what they are doing make stuff for them.

>>95879987
in Horus Heresy thread.