He just wanted to kill gigatrillions, rule the universe, become an incarnate living god of chaos, and murder his dad. Was that so wrong?

>>95816522 (OP)
He never wanted any of this.

>>95816533
That's the real tragedy of it all.

>>95816533
>"Horus dindu nuffin'!"
>"He wuz a good boy who jus' got manipalated by dem chaos gods an' sheeeeit!"

And this dude was supposed to be the best of them all. Total astartes genocide when?

>>95816533
Insane take. The HH series was and remains a mistake.

>>95816574
The problem was giving them free will. Primarchs and space marines were essentially designed to be weapons to defend humanity. It's generally a bad idea to design a weapon with the ability to think for itself. The Emperor should have designed the space marines and primarchs in such a way that they would be slaves to his will and completely unable to take any action he didn't authorize them to take. Basically glorified servitors.

>>95816601
The entire point of the Primarchs was to allow the Emperor to conquer the galaxy because he couldn't be everywhere at once. Now you want him to have essentially pre determined every possible scenario the crusade forces could encounter in the galaxy so they don't stall out the second they encounter something new and need the Emperor to tell them what to do. The Emperor was a god but he wasn't God.

>>95816522 (OP)
All he wanted was to prevent 40k from happening.
He was objectively and subjectively completely right.

>>95816597
/thread

>>95816903
if you think about it, if 40k didnt happen then 30k would never happen, and we never would have gotten all that shit from BL. maybe he was onto something...

Horus just wanted to fuck himself but then his faggot son just had to kill his clone

>>95816601
Anon he's emperor, not a hivemind. He couldn't possibly command every battlefield

>>95816597
>Insane take.
That's literally from the mans own mouth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj3ENSVogTo

>>95816601
>It's generally a bad idea to design a weapon with the ability to think for itself.

You'd think he learned the lesson from the men of iron war, but noooo, let's make super soldiers with even more agency.
But still more: >>95816597

>>95817317
LISTEN TO ME!
>crushes a guardsman's brain with a casual backhand
I
>cuts down dozens of loyal space marines
NEVER
>orders a hive populated by billions nuked
WANTED
>sacrifices innocents in a chaos ritual for power
THIS
>virus bombs a planet

>>95816672
>>95817291
Not command directly, but essentially "program" them to only take actions that would further his goals. Failing that though, he should have at least installed some kind of killswitch in them that he or some other trusted Imperial official could activate at a moment's notice in case they go off the reservation like they did.

>>95816903
Nope. That was Alpharius. Alpharius is the one that was approached by The Cabal and told that Horus has to win and the Imperium has to be destroyed.

>But this book from BL says...

Don't care. That's a retcon and I don't recognize any retcons that happened after I got into 40k.

>>95817495
The Cabal is itself BLslop. You are infected.

>>95817291
Give it more souls and it'll become a hivemind soon enough.

Horus Heresy fags, can you explain to me what the series expanded on to make it more interesting? Because the core story of
>Horus is corrupted by chaos, rebels and is defeated.
Is good, but from what I’ve seen the 30k books make everyone retarded that do things completely contradictory to their personalities and goals just to move the plot forward.

>>95818300
It's very simple anon, the writers are bad and didn't know how to write the story. Mostly noticeable when most of the traitor primarchs are written as bad apples from day one. Almost none of them have a tragic fall from grace.

>>95818300
Things I like: all the civil life of the imperium that is shown. Many scenes inside spaceships, lots of different xenos stuff in the early books, glimpses of stuff from daot, lots of descriptions of titans and mars stuff in general and also we got some unification wars stories

People call it primarch and marine wank, and it sure is, but for every chapter focused on a primarch doing something, there is also one with a regular human doing something, or just some description of a city or something the average poster here seems to consider boring.

>>95818300
>Horus Heresy fags, can you explain to me what the series expanded on to make it more interesting?
From 50+ heresy books we got what got more interesting? Let's see... I think Fulgrim-Ferrus bromance was neat before Manus lost his head. Otherwise everyone got turned into drooling retard and series is full of rectons.

>>95818300
The Emperor actually doomed half the primarchs to Chaos because he made a secret deal with Chaos to make them. There was also a woman involved who was their mother or something. And the Emperor was secretly going to become a fifth Chaos God called the Dark King stronger than all the others (no I am not making this up).

>>95816522 (OP)
I can't believe they just let other writers fuck it up after Abnett set up a conflict that made so much sense in Horus Rising.

The Space Marines are a kind of class. If you try and make a class obselete, handing all their power and the powers of their leaders to others, sidelining them, you can get a rebellion. Try and get rid of the Samurai you get the Satsuma rebellion. That's all it had to be. Suspicion they were going to go the way of the Thunder warriors.

Even Lorgar's religiousness and the censure he received could tie into this, as well as Magnus' behaviour, not just the dangerous magic, but the general research and scholarly activity. Two Primarchs who tried to be more than generals, not just in the sense of being a good administrator like Guilliman, because that can be read as making society more orderly and efficient so as to better support a war effort. A Primarch who wanted to promote and explore the spiritual, a primarch who wanted to learn pursue knowledge. Primarchs who aspire to realms of human life and experience beyond war. Two defective abberations not doing what they were supposed to do, after which they would be obsolete and potentially even a threat to what they were supposed to build. The way the Emperor comes down on these two puts them on the path to rebellion as they run head first into the reality that they're tools and that's how they're expected to behave, while seeing this from the outside contributes to Horus coming to the same conclusion, all reinforcing the same underlying themes and dynamics.

No instead Horus believes a vision that not only would any moron know not the believe, but which he himself says he shouldn't believe.

>>95818388
>Almost none of them have a tragic fall from grace.
Lorgar , fulgrim and Angron would like a word. With the rest I agree with you, especially Magnus, fuck him and his legion. I wish prospero would come back so the space wolfs can burn it again

>>95818927
>Lorgar
Not tragic, it was his conscious decision after he couldn't take "no" for an answer.
>Angron
No tragic fall, he was crybaby retard with nails for brains from day one.
>Fulgrim
only one with fall from grace arc and regret untill he decided to roll with it.

>>95818300
White Scars stuff is pretty good because they got lucky and landed the best author

>>95816522 (OP)
Bro he literally have a snot tube instead of blowing his nose like regular people. What for. Primarchs probably doesn't even catch colds

>>95816672
>The Emperor was a god

Um no sweaty that's been retconned, the emperor was a fedora atheist now because gods don't real.

>>95816522 (OP)
>Oh, my life as warmaster for my father with my brothers isn't a yaoi slice of life anime?
>Quadrillions must die

>>95818981
Lorgar was legitimately well-meaning and if the Emperor had not been retarded, even if everything else had gone the same the Ecclesiarchy would now just be run by him with Word Bearers as enforcers of the religion.

This would be infinitely preferable to how things turned out. Every part of the Imperium being a fucking mess is a result of the Emperor being a retard and not knowing how to deal with his sons.

>>95816522 (OP)
I never understood the jump between "welp dad is an asshole" to DOING THE BIDDING OF 4 MEGA SPACE STATANS.

It was better before they tried to flesh it out
Midwits that couldn't even write certainly couldn't write primarchs
I remember reading a fanfiction on angel fire that spun it so horus was the good guy, it was unironically better than anything GW has done with the heresy
Inv4 it was that stupid dornian heresy, no, it was far far better than that slop

>>95817359
that what Chaos does to people mentally in setting. It's even a feature of the eisenhorn books final antagonist. It's like you guys don't know about the mental force of rationalisation, humanities verry real ability to convince themselves they are in the right when they clearly arn't.

>>95821844
On the one hand yes that is the lore, and yes it makes sense. But it can kind of be a bad thing writing wise because it takes from the drama of humans making bad decisions. You kind of want characters to be fully responsible for what they do so that when other characters are appalled at it, and they defend it, its meaningful as two people at odds with each other with different organic perspectives.

But as I said I do agree the way chaos works as presented isn't actually implausible, because in real life we actually have things that completely transform someones thinking and make them do things they would never otherwise do and rationalize it. If someone gets addicted to heroin that's exactly what happens.

>>95820485
He was always an atheist, the man who sought to destroy the gods so humanity could exist free of supernatural influence ultimately becoming a god himself where his own supernatural influence is the only thing stopping humanity from complete destruction has been the central irony of his character pretty much forever. All the HH series did was over-explain things, as per usual.

>>95817495
Why not?
Modern lore is way better.

>>95817359
Fucking kek good one anon

>>95822830
Weak bait, penis licker.

>>95821755
Horus all things considered didn't really have a choice he legit got mindfucked by the chaos gods. And the Word Bearers were already dipping their toes in chaos because of the local culture.

>>95823011
Yet you still took it retard

>>95821755
Horus didn't think he was doing the bidding of the chaos gods

Horus Heresy series is fucking awesome, don’t care what any of you contrarian faggots think. Fine, not Tolkien, and some of the books (anything Dark Angels) are dogshit, but there are some fucking bangers in there (Know No Fear is incredible). The whole is far more than the sum of the parts, and if you disgusting troglodytes can’t see that, it’s on you.

>>95821755
Because for all their supposed mental and physical "superiority", the primarchs were all a bunch of emotionally immature toddlers. Seriously, the ones that fell to chaos all fell basically because they all threw tantrums the moment their fragile little egos were challenged or damaged.

Especially Lorgar. His fall was basically:

>"Waaaaa, daddy didn't like me being a retarded religious zealot and burned down all my wasteful cathedrals! I'm gonna go worship literal demons now!!!!"

The entire Horus Heresy can basically be summed up as a war that started because a bunch of superhumans who were undeserving of the power they were given, got overwhelmed with teenage angst and had one big "shut up dad, it's not a phase!" moment.

>>95823343
>"Calling out bait means you took it!"

What causes this level of retardation?

>>95823380
>t. Teenager who hates his parents and so related to a narrative that is more or less all about kids rebelling against their parents.

>>95823383
You could apply that reductionist argument to almost everything. Lord of the Rings is basically Melkor screaming “waaaa waaaa daddy I want my music to be the best waaa waaaa”

>>95823380
Aaron, please. You have a child to look after.

>>95823395
Rebellion is the root of everything, faggot. Adam and Eve rebel against God (with a little nudging). Based on your insipid logic, all Bible scholars are angsty teens. Milton writing Paradise Lost - hated his parents?

Touch grass pussy

>>95823397
Sure, but no one uses that kind of argument against Tolkien's work because his work doesn't read like it was written by an edgy teenager.

>>95823415
Whatever you say, kid. I'm sure it's not just a phase either, right?

>>95823419
ASOIAF-fags do

>>95823419
“Written by teens” retarded hyperbole aside, your expectations for novels based around a miniatures game are dripping with Reddit vibes. “Why didn’t Tolstoy write Horus Rising?” Fuck off

>>95823397
It's not reductionist argument. We have writters writting fall of Horus from Horus POV, instead of keeping it vague. Most of the treason is just daddy issues, Lorgar got angry dad didn't want to be worshiped, Horus had vision that he is forgotten, that he knew was a lie but decided to roll with it despite Magnus saying to not do that, Mortarion had unresolved problems with Emperor rescuing him from his foster father, Alpharius is meme that he became traitor because he is loyal after being shown vision by aliens and extermination of humanity is something Emperor would want, only Fulgrim and Angron had real reasons to go traitor, with Fulgrim being gaslight by his daemon sword buddy and wanting to kill himself when he realised what he's done, that was of course then fucked by Fulgrim doing 180 and deciding that chaos is only real answer, while Angron resented Emperor for denying him death among his brothers and Emperor being happy employing Angron as just a weapon, so Horus had no problem convincing Angron who at time had more nails than brain to axe people on his order instead of Emperor's.

If they kept old "chaos gods tested each primarch" or just went with vague "chaos gods used Horu's ambition to corrupt him" it would be way better than shit writters trying to write genius demigod's fall from his own POV.

>>95823380
I've made some of the negative comments in this thread and do in fact like the Horus Heresy, although I'm only on like book 24. Like some books are great, some are pretty good, some are bad. Some are overall pretty good, but have a few very bad moments-a lot of False Gods is good, its the logic of how Horus turns to chaos that's kind of dumb and unconvincing.

Likewise I'm really enjoying Angel Exterminatus, but the whole bullshit of Fulgrim not being possessed is an awful decision. I understand wanting Fulgrim to regain control but be evil now, that in the long run its kind of hollow for "fulgrim" to not be fulgrim when he plays a role in all future proceedings, but they did it in a really bad, again unconvincing way. There should have been a story about Fulgrim's perspective "in the painting", showing how the despair of what he had to witness and see his body do, feel himself do through his remaining link to his body, breaks him enough for his actual soul to turn to Slaanesh so that the pain could turn to pleasure, before he regains control. But they don't do that, they skip it completely so the whole thing feels like contradictory nonsense.

>>95823444
They aren't my expectations. I fully recognize what the Horus Heresy novels are. What I am doing though is countering the narrative that the Horus Heresy novels are some kind of deep, high class literature. It isn't. It's edgy teenager literature from a game that was made for edgy teens. Which is fine. However, anyone who tries to claim it's anything more than that is a retard who deserves nothing but shitpost responses.

>>95823458
The Reflection Crack'd is the story set between Fulgrim and Angel Exterminatus that explains it but it's still pretty dumb

>>95823386
Thanks for another (you) oldhead

>>95823486
>Gets called out for being a retard
>"Hahahaha, just as I planned!!!"

Trolls aren't even trying anymore...

>>95816522 (OP)
Is this anons first chaos warlord? What the fuck is this dumbass thread

>>95823480
>that explains it but it's still pretty dumb
It doesn't explain a thing. Fulgrim just goy out of painting and is evil now. Beside that nothing is explained, it's just Lucius noticing daddy behaves wierdly, convincing other Legion commanders to jump on Fulgrim and torture him including anal rape to exorcise daemon that isn't there anymore and Fulgrim just let it all happen.

>>95823525
He used his superior intellect to un demon possess himself

>>95823525
I don’t know why people need an in depth explanation for why Fulgrim would be evil without being actively possessed when it’s shown how fucked up he is. He’s a fucking cunt

>>95823525
>including anal rape

Wait...what?

>>95823538
Then why he is evil now?
>>95823539
>explanation for why Fulgrim would be evil without being actively possessed when it’s shown how fucked up he is. He’s a fucking cunt
Because last we saw him he realised what he did and wanted to kill himself but got tricked by daemon and possessed. After years of daemon playing with his mind Fulgrim got moment of clarity after killing Ferrus and entire extent of his betrayal hit him, he wasn't evil just misled by demon in sword.
>>95823550
When legion high command is torturing Fulgrim they put torture device in his ass, it's written little more subtle than that but it happens, then it's revealed that Fulgrim could free himself at any time just decided not to and see what his marines would do.

>>95823611
Because he's Fulgrim, he can be evil without being literally possessed by a demon

>>95823454
Saying this is all daddy issues is indeed reductionist. Lorgar didn’t rebel because daddy didn’t want to be worshipped, he rebelled because daddy forced him and his legion to kneel like disobedient children and his home city was destroyed along with untold numbers of innocent civilians. Lorgar knew the truth, that Gods are real and the “Imperial Truth” is a lie.

Every act of rebellion could be REDUCED to daddy issues, but it also could be tied to the fact that the Emperor borrowed power from the Gods to create images of himself, a corrupt bargain that the Emperor had the hubris to think he could outwit beings far more powerful than himself. What happened after is the story of the Emperor’s downfall, it’s a story of hubris, arrogance, pride, etc. the faults which also lay deeply rooted in many of his sons, both traitor and loyal. So yes, saying “oh it’s all daddy issues” is about as reductionist as it gets, as well as incorrect.

Agree this is not great literature, but it’s highly entertaining, and isn’t that the point of storytelling?

>>95823616
But he wasn't evil, first he was manipulated by demon, and when he saw his treason for what it really was and death of his bff, he decided that only solution would to kill himself. This is why he had to be possessed and imprisoned in painting in first place. Him turning 180 from "I did terrible things and have to kill myself" to "let's murderfuck and grind entire planet into drugs" make no sense, there was no reason for this change.

>>95823468
Who the fuck has ever argued the novels are some unassailable work of high literature? Literally no one has ever made this claim. You’re a backpedaling midwit.

I love the series - it’s trade paperback Louis L’amore tier fiction but it’s highly entertaining with some compelling stuff thrown in there. You are creating some strawman and setting it on fire when no one is making the claim that you are “dismantling.”

>>95823638
He and his legion are the embodiment of one of the seven deadly sins, he only needed a small push to sperg out

>>95823380
You can always tell by most of the negative comments that they have not written any more than summaries of some of the books and some memes about it.

>>95823458
>Like some books are great, some are pretty good, some are bad.
I think this is pretty much granted with 50+ books, by so many different writers and with so many characters.

>>95823658
>Who the fuck has ever argued the novels are some unassailable work of high literature

This faggot right here for one: >>95823380

>>95823793
>but there are some fucking bangers in there
>unassailable work of high literature

Are these two phrases the same to your retarded ass?

>>95823793
You for certain wouldn't understand the meaning of any high literature, if its that what you interpreted into that post.

For you, in simple words:

HH is pulp fiction.
HH is good, for the most part.

Good pulp fiction books do exist.
HH is such.

>>95823807
I never said unassailable work if high literature. Those are words you put into my mouth so you could make your bullshit strawman point. So I just ignored that part of your post.

>>95823882
Ok you're just a baiting ESL retard, cya

>>95823634
>but it’s highly entertaining

It's really not though. At least not for anyone who isn't a normalfag who is also entertained by Marvel capeshit corporate slop.

>>95823900
>Gets called out on putting words in people's mouths that they never said
>Runs away from the argument like a coward instead of admitting he was wrong.

I accept your concession.

>>95823913
>It's really not though. At least not for anyone

Congratulations Anon, you figured out that different people enjoy different things.

>>95823787
>You can always tell by most of the negative comments that they have not written any more than summaries of some of the books and some memes about it.
So now you have to be established author for privilege of calling heresy books shit?

>>95823947
>Admits to being a normalfag entertained by corporate slop.
>Is actually proud of being that way.

What causes this?

>>95823960
It's just one of the many bad faith arguments heresyfags use in their vain attempts to shut down any criticism of their beloved books. It's fucking weird. Like, why do people feel the need to defend something they enjoy? If others don't like it, who cares?

>>95823962
“Corporate slop” ok if not for you, but you’re also the screaming faggot type who’d say some inane shit like “Led Zeppelin is corporate slop. They owe everything to old Jigaboo Jackson who tied a shoelace to a stick in 1919.” Go read Patrick Rothfuss or something equally gay; no daddy issues for you but plenty of hot gay sex.

>>95824052
>but you’re also the screaming faggot type who’d say some inane shit like “Led Zeppelin is corporate slop

Funny how the only way you can make any kind of counterpoint is by making assumptions and putting words in your opponents' mouths. If you were a thinking person, that should be an indicator to you that you don't have a leg to stand on.

>>95824079
It's Sunday and this is what you're doing

>>95823962
Apparently reading is not one of your strong points Anon.
Not only is it your own, completely subjective, definition of people who enjoy the HH books, but it was a generic statement that different people enjoy different things. Only because the post was opposed to yours does not mean i enjoy the books. But some people certainly do.
And guess what: I did not even read 5 of those books, but i still think you are a retard simply because the way you construct your arguments.

>>95816601
They weren't weapons they were soldiers, despite what the fluff may say. A weapon has one function, kill. Soldiers have to think on their feet, adapt to changing environments, deal with things that go pear shaped and any number of unknown variables not to mention Primarchs and Astartes were first contact diplomates to any number of various human worlds. You can't really take away their higher brain functions so the best you can do is load em with enough propaganda and indoctrination on them to keep them on a general course but the Emperor had no time to do that because they were scattered and grew up on different worlds away from his influence. So now you're working with what ya got and doing your best.

Unless you want to start the whole project over again from scratch

>>95823380
>The whole is far more than the sum of the parts
Meanwhile all you need to point out is the HH turned the primarchs being abducted by chaos into "karen took the kids" to show this is in fact not the case. That single thing alone beings down the series so hard it's not even funny.

>>95825842
>can't read between the lines and see that Erda was influenced by Chaos

>>95827029
Doesn't matter. It was still retarded. The original lore that the Chaos Gods just opened up a portal in the Emperor's lab on Luna and yeeted them across the galaxy was better. Especially because that way was the Chaos Gods directly showing the Emperor that no matter what he does, they will always be more powerful than him and he and his Imperium only exist because they allow it.

>>95824366
And you're doing it with me, baby.

>>95825842
The HH is just Paradise Lost with angry space men. Somebody has to play Eve.

>>95827042
Oooooh I get it now you're just a chaos wank retard.

>>95823847
>HH is good, for the most part.
I read about a dozen, and I think that's generous. There's certainly a lot worse out there, but that isn't saying much.
For a start the books are overly long, while pulp thrives on being short and to the point. Then there's the inevitable problem of trying to write a story centred on superhuman geniuses, when most writers can only make a regular "genius" by having every other character be retarded.
I also don't think 40k is well suited to galaxy spanning stories. The galaxy is supposed to be so vast that every player can tell apocalyptic war stories which are all irrelevant. It should be, "You will not be missed" rather than, "The fate of the galaxy depends on you". And even without that there's the inevitable disappointment that comes from filling in all the details from a myth.
But worse than all that: perpetuals.

>>95823380
The main problem with the whole series is that nobody was in charge of it.

According to interviews, Editorial would stick only to keeping the basic facts straight. Stuff like "Blood Angels wear read armor, Ultramarines wear Blue armor...". There was no attempt to steer the series at all and the writers were allowed to do whatever they want.
Dan Abnett showed up with a bunch of crazy ideas for Legion and expected most of it to be shot down. They approved it all.

The result is a series that is extremely hit or miss and highly incoherent. Earth shattering hints are implied and never expanded on or mentioned again. Story lines introduced and then abandoned. The same characters inconsistently characterized as different writers use them.

There should have been someone whose job it is to tell them "No." every once in a while. The series becomes perfectly decent light reading when you shut down some of the dumbest shit.

>>95829064
>There should have been someone whose job it is to tell them "No." every once in a while.
There was time when BL editorial team said NO, and put tight leash on writters not only concerning HH but all books, Abnett and McNeill stopped writting. I think it was around 2015.

>>95829128
>Abnett and McNeill stopped writting.
I don't know where you're getting this from. Abnett wrote 4 Siege of Terra books including the finale. He continued with his Gaunt's Ghosts stuff.... I do know he had cancer so maybe he took it easy.

McNeill too has plenty of stuff after 2015

>>95823395
Nailed the problem, took a concept of Roman civil war at a galactic civil war and turned it into daddy angst drama

>>95829030
Yeah man totally. By the way your series declares chaos supremely powerful since the emperor will inevitably become a chaos god

>>95829189
>I don't know where you're getting this from.
Because they stopped writting?
After 2014 next McNeill book was in 2017 and it was short novella, 3 years without writting single book from guy who used to write multiple per year.
Abnett have 7 years long gap in Heresy between Unremembered Empire and Saturnine.
They were pissed they couldn't write whatever they want anymore and returned when that changed.

>>95816522 (OP)
Yes, because he lost.

>>95823960
No but you should probably understand a story in its full context first. Why would I ever for example take any retard who thinks 40k is noblebright seriously right now?

>>95816522 (OP)
i mean he had his chance at it

>>95833651
Dan Abnett had bad health problems and writes for a bunch of other places. McNeil got a job at Riot Games. Output for one project will tend to drop if you decide to do a bunch of other things as well. BL also brought in other people to write and really doesn't rely on 2 people for everything.

>>95821743
>Emperor being a retard and not knowing how to deal with his sons.

His biggest mistake is to call them Sons at all. They were manufactured. Telling a thing that it is something it can never be is cruel abuse. All the Primarchs are broken mentally, some landed on planets that help or exasperated these problems.

>>95823383
>>95823397
>Waaa waaa I want my imperium to be to dominant empire in the universe noooooo Magnus! Don't destroy my hecking webway project!

Pos got what he deserved

>>95816601
Due to the strain of gene-seed , the selection process of space marines needs to prioritize physical strength over other qualities.
In comparison, women become Sisters of Battle primarily for their faith and zeal, and have almost nonexistent corruption rate due to it.

>>95823383
Shut up Malcador if you never burned down Monarchia none of this would've happened

You just COULDN'T leave well enough alone and let Lorgar build his nice churches and you fucked it all up. You and your pride and your ego

>>95816533
yes he did lmao

Horus Heresy is a stupid setting but I find it hilarious how the background can be boiled down to a massive galaxy spanning human empire went to civil war because the grand leader couldn’t stop himself from being an edgy reddit atheist

>>95823638
>he decided that only solution would to kill himself.
no he killed Ferrus and lost his will to live and was possessed by the Daemon in his blade. He was then "stuck" insdie a painting that resided in a ship that had massive warp contact. Anything could have happened, but the point is the series exist because people like you need to be told everything because you can't enjoy the mystery of things.