>Previous thread:
>>95779629

>What is /awg/?
A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.
The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to more specific games.
This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre, let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.

>Examples of games that qualify.
A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Batman Miniature Game, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings, Deadzone, Dropfleet and Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate, Frostgrave, Gaslands, Judge Dredd, HeroClix, Kings of War, Maelstrom's Edge, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Masters of the Universe: Battleground, Moonstone, Oathmark, OnePageRules, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam, Stargrave, Sludge, Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenotactics...

...and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.

>Examples of companies providing rules for alternative wargames.
Atomic Mass Games, Black Site Studios, CMON, Mantic, OnePageRules,
Osprey, Para Bellum, TTCombat, Wargames Atlantic, Warlord Games...
...and many other publishers.

>Places to get minis; Updates to the minis list are welcome.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2DbNJ2mYAUxh5P9Pq9NZqS5tXHGn0i2JhZchEwbA2I/edit
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/373197.page

>Novice Troves, meant to serve as a sampler of available systems. Check out the Share Thread for up-to-date troves.
https://pastebin.com/MjtsC8AX
https://mega.nz/#F!zSYW0I4a!vXh8-UPi_tWXpJES_-p4zg


>TQ
What's the last piece of terrain you made/are currently making?

Previous thread died like a bitch.

Welcome back /awg/.

>>95841672 (OP)
I assembled and mostly painted some "power plant" for DZC, but can't be arsed to finish it.

Late pledge has opened for Zeo Genesis.

Why, why, why can't they write a clear description for any of the products they are selling? Which sets and add-ons are included in the bundles? What expansions are available for each faction and when will they ship? Are you deliberately trying to confuse your customers?

>TQ
Working on some palisade walls.

>>95842494
>Zeo Genesis
I forgot about this, thanks for the heads up, always down to try new Andy Chambers rules iterations.
Definitely not going to back it, because the art direction and mechanical design is not for me, as are the naming conventions. Love what the company is doing otherwise.
As far as gamefound goes, have you tried clicking through the tiny tabs at the top of the page? All the info you seek is there. Modern web design is truly ass.

Andy's design comments are pretty good.

Has the new edition for Malifaux hit? How does everyone feel about it?

>>95843804
Its still in the open beta phase of testing. The official release is supposed to be in August.

I'm a little sad that Euripides lost his ice pillar bowling, but he feels more like an actual old man mountain prophet now.

We often discuss how to get cheap skeletons and zombies.
But how about the other meat wave army, orcs?
What is the cheapest source for orc and goblin miniatures?

>>95844193
>What is the cheapest source for orc and goblin miniatures?
>orc
eM4, hands-down. They're 1990s monoposes but they're cheap as all fuck and they come in bags of fifty.
https://em4miniatures.com/en-us/products/orc-with-bow-x-50
https://em4miniatures.com/en-us/products/orc-with-spear-x-50
https://em4miniatures.com/en-us/products/orc-with-sword-x-50
They also do individuals for 40¢ and bags of mixed minis in smaller quantities.
Warlord's Orcs are just the old Wargames Factory ones. Have the same melty detail, awkward poses, taco hands, and mold quality issues as their Romans. Work better as Tolkien goblins or low-orcs, not Uruk-hai.
Goblins depend heavily on what you want. That said, WGA and North Star both have cheap Tolkien-ish plastics.

If you want GW-style gobbos and orcs your best bet is either Mantic, or knockoff Blood Bowl teams.

>>95844193
For sci-fi or fantasy? Your use of skeletons but then a 40k image is throwing me off what you want.

>>95844600
>If you want GW-style gobbos and orcs your best bet is either Mantic, or knockoff Blood Bowl teams.
Jesus, THAT bad?
>>95844631
Fantasy, that was just the random image from orc folder.
Though if you have any suggestions for sci fi orcs I am all ears.

>>95844726
For good or ill, GW's got a very unique style going on with their Orks and *especially* goblins. Nobody but EM4 and Mantic has been willing to slap nuts onto the table and make plastics for it. So it's kinda either that, 3DPPD, or the magical world of £7 metals. The EM4 guys are more Oldhammer orky, Mantic is.. Mantic.
Unless I'm missing some huge elephant in the room anyway, I'm basing this on research I did for a buddy's army last year.

>>95844895
Shieldwolf Miniatures has some Orks too, and if i remember it right, they look pretty much like GW style

Anyone got Rubicon Models hard plastic bases? Worth it or not?

>>95844904
That'd be the elephant, then. I always forget they exist because the sculpts they make for armies I actually want are such raging dogshit. The "trolls" are kinda neat. Everything else is passable on first inspection, they just look like they have roid-puff in their faces

>>95844934
Their main "issue" is their non-existing marketing and distribution. I dont know a single onlinestore here in my country where i could order their stuff.

>>95844917
>Worth it or not?

Weird question. THey are the only Vietnam US Marines and Vietcong plastic minis available.

>>95844947
I asked about their bases not miniatures anon.

>>95844895
So there are also oathmark plastic orcs, you can get them at Northstar 30 figures for £25 but you might be able to find them cheaper elsewhere if you shop around.

>>95845066
>Goblins depend heavily on what you want. That said, WGA and North Star both have cheap Tolkien-ish plastics.
Which TBF implies orcs as well, but doesn't state them.

>>95843691
How did you break your pick? Snapped them in two then a quick carve? Or did you find something more efficient? Looking good cuzzy.

maybe putting more warhammer heads on other gobo bodies could work
but both WGA and WF ones are kind of ass as a base.
fuck man wish I had space for plastic injection machine, even a small one.

>>95845408
Maybe look into a 3d printer instead.. they are quite a bit smaller than injection molding machines

>>95845408
Downside is you then need a least a basic mill too, even if you are sending out molds for machining or going with limited use 3dp molds, you will still need to be able to square metal surfaces and adjust feed/flow/ejection pins. And a small garage that can be clean room partitioned.
It's a pretty serious hobby unless you are already a machinist.
Learning CAD (fusion 360 is free for non commercial) is a good start.
Buying a resin printer and learning some basic 3d software is an option that doesn't require nearly as much infrastructure or expense.

>>95845544
Imagine being so rich you buy an injection plastic machine just for spare heads....

>>95845577
Thing is, if you can spend like 10k for such a machine, you certainly can rent a shed or garage for it too.

>>95845577
I was seriously considering it at one point, but spent the money on a new kiln and 2x72 belt grinder instead. With the advent of affordable DLP machines I've now been hunting craigslist and others for a used spin casting machine that isn't totally crapped out.

looking at the OPR core rules for Grimdark and Fantasy, and they seem to be almost identical, which is fine. Do the 'advanced rules' for both diverge more or is it still a case of them being 95% the same?

>>95845370
Hand saw. Took a bit to do one wall section. Gonna get my chopsaw down from the barn to do the rest.

>>95841672 (OP)
Source on OP image? It's awesome.

>>95842494
>>95843795
I haven't followed it but I like big robots and Andy makes it sound interesting. Could I use
the Infinity TAGs I've got in deep storage for it?

>>95845982
One Page Rules isn't a serious company.

>>95843795
>pandemic
>not plandemic
It's a $0 support from me Andy.

They added Yana, Vikul, and Razor to Old Umbrey. Yana is a full-blown warlock, but she was nerfed a little. Vikul is a journeyman warcaster in OU, with Razor attached to him.

>>95849322
>Source on OP image? It's awesome.
Some t28 player on Facebook using the handle "Turnip Max", according to a cursory tineye search.

>>95845638
>I've now been hunting craigslist and others for a used spin casting machine that isn't totally crapped out.
Damn, good luck. I know the guys over at Iron Wind have a lot of expertise and they like to share know-how. They had a tutorial on getting set up with a caster ages and ages ago, back when they were Ral Partha. Unfortunately they just got out by an incredibly scummy long-term business partner so lord only knows what their future looks like.

Dave says Dropzone Commander 3rd ed coming out this year.

We feeling any faith TT won't interfere with and ruin these rules like the last two times?

>>95841672 (OP)
>TQ
>What's the last piece of terrain you made/are currently making?

Not really terrain, but some objective markers for conquest matching the terrain/army

>>95850349
Might as well post some wips I'm working on. Desolation drones. Pretty fun making these hunchbacks some more details, especially the leader with his bayonet and the dude that's in love with his cool goop gun

>>95849822
20 points for vilkul and razor feels steep compared to bigpig or Invictus

Heroclix Iconix... now probably have to wait like 2 years so they dont look that good at the end.

But will probably buy it anyway

>I can't possibly use any of the many goblins made today, I must injection mould my own because Reaper, Mantic, WGA and North Star don't evoke the goblinness I seek and GW's re released goblins all fell into a volcano of hot custard

Why is this place so full of pseuds

>>95850504
We'll have to how being Faction friendly shakes out. It can be a big advantage, but it's going to come down to how the army as a whole looks to make the most of it. Yana can make them nasty come fear turn if you can get them up into the enemy line.

>>95849322
Turnip28's creator.

>>95849895
Turnip Max is the maker of Turnip28.

>>95850164
Interview with him on Youtube about it sounded promising at least. Him all but saying most of the 2.0 changes were dumb and made without a proper understanding of the game was interesting, so can only hope they're letting him free on it this time.

>>95849322
I'll be using a mix of self sculpted mecha and some mashups from Arsenal/Skullforge and the Lazy Forger.
Working on a cleanup of the current beta rules into a more concise PDF right now.

>>95851228
Seizing the means of production and actually making things yourself is now "pseud".
I knew anti-intellectual and anti-literacy was a thing, now I find out that anti-craftsmanship is a thing too. What a world we live in.
Well, just keep consuming drone, I'm sure you'll eventually fill the void.

Has anyone here played "Fitna: Global War in the Middle East"? Is it any good? If not, any other chit-based games from that era?

>>95850349
Is that a dildo being used for a tongue?

There's something so appealingly shitty about the villagers from WGA. Think they can pass as ruffians for mesbg?

>>95853306

Ntayrt

Oh fuck off you're never buying your own personal plastic injection machine you mad twat.

Why are people such spastics on here just be a normal hobbyist.

>>95853566
its not that expensive and my money will be donated to the church when I inevitably kill myself either way. It really is not something out of realm of posibility anon.

>>95853366
Heh no it's polymer clay. Hopefully the only thing this will be pleasing on is the eyes

>>95853342
It's nuts!

anyone know where I can get No Stars in Sight from the troves?

Space Orc Captain and Doug the Space Goblin
Space Orc:
-Body from Oathmark Orc heavy infantry
-Arms from WGA Space Nam
-Shoulder pads and backpack from WGA Eisenkern
-Helmet from Oathmark Orc heavy infantry, modified with a Stargrave visor and a sword cut into a horn.
-Antenna and belt pouches from Stargrave kits
Added a pic from before paint at the end
Space Goblin:
-Oathmark Goblin Slaves body and head
-Stargrave arms.

Anyone tried Kings of war Champions yet? Got a game in last weekend and was pretty solid!

>>95855673
Very nice. I really want to get a set of spacenam myself. Those arms will be worth it alone.

>>95855673
pretty cool, anon

Would it be immoral to sculpt miniatures heavilly based on previously released sculpts from someone else when they are no longer available?

We ran a quick game of Grimdark Firefight yesterday evening after work.
Very simple stuff, every unit except the leaders were Q4 D5 with an A1 normal rifle, but with the Advanced Actions special rule.
We played a scenario encounter, with 2 players against a GM and a simple objective (grab the 5 objective markers and don't lose more than 5 dudes in the process).
It was a load of fun, especially finally getting to use these terrains I have been building since forever.
However, I found the lack of reaction rules (beyond the "Overwatch" action) a bit jarring.
It feels like shooting back when being shot at, or being able to interrupt the movement of a unit if it passes through your line of sight should be closer to the default rather than something that costs a full action.
Is there a miniature-agnostic game which is a bit more built around reactions? From what I've seen, Blkout seems to fit the bill pretty well, if it didn't come with pre-built setting and units

>>95857581
Are you planning on selling them?

>>95857777
I want that shrine of chance model.

>>95857581
>Would it be immoral to sculpt miniatures heavilly based on previously released sculpts from someone else when they are no longer available?
Fuck no. Hell, it's legal and frankly based to make models with a similar style to stuff that's out *right now*. We all like extra options. There's an entire cottage industry of knockoff Blood Bowl teams, almost every modular plastic or resin infantry company has GW lasguns and special weapon assortments as one of the standard options. Sometimes it's even the same people ripping off their own dead games, like all the unreleased Warzone things that got repurposed for Void 1.0, and before that they were *very* transparently making models for Warhammer in the Rogue Trader style after GW went all-in on the 2e/3e 40k redesigns. If it's not available anymore it's even more based to make your own, and anyone objecting is a joyless nogames faggot who probably jerks off on AI-upscaled pictures of their unopened blisters to avoid damaging the cardboard.
Now if you mean marketing half-assed conversions sculpted on top of someone else's minis or using direct scans of their shit, it's definitely illegal and kind of a dick move.

>>95857777
>Is there a miniature-agnostic game which is a bit more built around reactions?
xenotactics maybe

>>95857777
Checked. Coming from vidya I was really let down by my first game of 40k. No interruption, no opportunity attack, no flank bonus, couldn't use a model to block the stairs to protect my sniper nest as CCW kind of telepprt on a 6" high radius or some whatever bullshit...

Anyway: Inifinty if you want the deep dive into it and kind of a scene still kicking around or xenotactics if you want OPR accessibility but just you and the boys.
If you don't mind tweaking WW2 rulesets into SciFi then Crossfire, Fireball Forward amd Disposable Heroes are kind of unique with no shooting range and Initiative going back and forth between players the moment you can draw a line of sight on the active unit.

>>95844895
>Mantic is.. Mantic
Never bought from them nor am I up to speed. Is there anything wrong with them? At first glance their stuff seems cheap at least.

>>95841672 (OP)
Is OPR star quest worth trying? I like OPR in general. I finished painting my starstriders and I'm looking for a game besides kill team they'd be good for.

>>95860316

The older sculpt quality isn't very good.

>>95860427
As someone with a few hundred USD spent on Mantic - including Abyssal Dwarfs, that is an extreme outlier, I would say.

>>95860316
>Never bought from them nor am I up to speed. Is there anything wrong with them? At first glance their stuff seems cheap at least.
They have very erratic sculpt quality. Several of their ranges, including orcs, have a style that's sort of uncanny-valley GW and people can find it offputting.
On the business side of things, they dramatically overcharge for some of their models - mostly individuals and the licensed stuff - and they don't always make it very clear if something is hard plastic, resin with metal bits, or terrible PVC in their catalog. Plus their site is complete ass to navigate. None of this is a dealbreaker; you just have to make sure you know what you're getting.

>>95860316
>>95860462

Mantic goblins are some of the best *shrug*

When they apply what they have learned doing the more High Fantasy Kings of War factions to traditional fantasy factions like elves, dwarves, undead and regular orcs, they will clean up. When they offer a viable alternative to what is basically just North Star GW and sporadic Wargames Atlantic they will eat other manufacturers' breakfast

>>95860462

Yeah, there are enough usable parts in the boxes to make whole regiments, but I noticed similar flaws in all three regiments I got from mantic. Maybe the molds are just old and worn down?

>>95841672 (OP)
i don't know what those teeth monsters are nor who made that map but i will suck their dick

>>95857777
Oh wow these quads! Well here’s another view of the table, for the occasion
>>95858040
There you go, fellow Risk of Rain chad https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4154544
>>95859381
>No interruption, no opportunity attack, no flank bonus, couldn't use a model to block the stairs to protect my sniper nest as CCW kind of telepprt on a 6" high radius or some whatever bullshit...
My feeling exactly. I was also wondering why the troop composition had to be so rigid: when there’s a group of dudes somewhere, why can’t I activate them together instead of one by one? It would make everything much faster paced

>>95860423
Damn these models are really cool, anon. It’s an extreme kitbash? I don’t recognise any bit!

>>95861542
Thanks, they're a cool group of models. They're just a kill team from gamesworshop. The models might not be /awg/ but the games I'll use them will be.

>>95861542
Here you go anon, here's a link.
https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/imperial-agents-rogue-trader-entourage-and-voidsmen-at-arm-2024

>>95861571
Those don't even look like 40k models (in a good way). Normally they can't help but put their copyrightable symbolism all over every model. I like these.

>>95860423
Maybe 5 core and 5 parsecs if you like campaigns and coop too

>>95861826
I haven't looked at 5core before. I'll have a read about it.

>>95860462
>>95860535
How are the Forge Fathers? A friend of mine digs them quite a bit.
>>95861756
Kill Team kinda gets away with that since it's the game where GW nowadays makes most of the niche infantry kits and such.

>>95861530
It's bad manners to self check your digits. I noticed them for (You) already.

I feel our Skirmish let-down issue might be a generational thing:
-If you're Boomer to Millenial then your first contact with wargaming was wargaming and you're happy with what has always been around.
-If you're Millenial to Alpha your first contact with wargaming was most certainly a Tactical RPG or RTS videogame, were the machine is doing the heavy load so there's a lot of crunch behind the scene that can't or shouldn't be reproduced on a table. So we're surprised there so much to remember but in the same time so few to do.

>>95863246
Good broad generalization but the Commodore 64 was my gateway to wargaming.

>>95862234
>How are the Forge Fathers? A friend of mine digs them quite a bit.
That is an excellent question. I have been eyeing them to buy them for OPR and general painting, due to my slightly confusing, growing love for Dwarfs. If I do, I will post here with info. I have yet to have any bad experiences with Mantic kits though, between my Plague, Abyssal Dwarfs, Kingdom of Dust and Elves.

Looks like WGA is finally pushing in on the niche Warlord abandoned when Project Z went down. Not quite as many guns but still a solid assortment. And in three years we might get female models, or the damned spec-ops troops they've had in the pipe for almost 4 years already.

>>95863246
>>95861530
Gen-X here, there's a certain amount of overhead you can't just schwack in a game and expect it to run smoothly. Which means either clunky as fuck games (my teenaged tabletop conversion of X-Com, et. al), or sacrificing other stuff to get in the overhead. Infinity's a good example of the latter, where they cut the game down to three nominal turns and heavily abstract a bunch of other stuff to get the reaction gameplay and three-card monte shell games that define it.

>>95864187
I've been running myself ragged converting wga shit to hold the project z guns and then they go and do this shit. I'll buy it, but I'll bitch the entire way home. Then I'll probably feel pretty good about the whole thing. Then get mad again because the guns are different sizes.

>>95864187
Love the obligatory cricket bats.

>>95864463
heh. I've been using Warlord and Hasslefree guns on the Partisans to make 1930s Pulp civvies for Lovecraftin', I know the struggle.
It looks like between the windbreaker guy and the button-up dude you can scrabble a few detectives and some beat cops out of the box, and I've been needing some more OPFOR models for my 1980s Euroterro-Rouge games. I think looking at it I may even be able to scrabble out an Axel Foley for shits and giggles. Plus some more dipshits in ski masks, Lord knows I have enough AKs and Makarovs to throw at them already.

>>95862234
>How are the Forge Fathers? A friend of mine digs them quite a bit.
I'm not directly familiar with the models. I'd check your buddy's stuff out and see if you like it, maybe check for proper mini reviews.

>>95863426
Glad to know you're still kicking around grandpa! I'll check the C64 Battletech game on Youtube, maybe I'm in for a gem and give it a go on an emulator.

>>95864187
It is good gamedesign to kill your sacred cows and abstract what can be, I feel you. But anon's point still stand: 40k is SciFi WW2 so recruiting whole squads and passing orders squad by squad make sense. But as far as I'm concerned I'm the highest ranking officer at the table and if I want all the squads in Building A to Charge I shouldn't have to concern myself with ordering sergeant by sergeant. Let me give a general local order and be done with it, if Unit Coherency is maintained along the Charge then no harm no fools.

I take a 40k as an example because it's the main game in the Industry and too many "big" /awg/ don't dare to venture too far from it. Crossfire is like decades old and remains kind of unique.
If you come from a Xcom background then Xenotactics is a really precious little thing and I'm glad it's one of the top recommandations here.

>>95861530
I was also wondering why the troop composition had to be so rigid: when there’s a group of dudes somewhere, why can’t I activate them together instead of one by one? It would make everything much faster paced
Doesn’t Baron’s War allow the players to group as many units together as they want?

>>95866062
I accidentally a >
because of course I did

>>95866029
>Let me give a general local order and be done with it
If this was a possibility in a game, wouldn't there be a strong incentive to always group all of your dudes together? Which would turn every game into a single opposite roll between two very large groups?

>>95853566
these bodies and arms are em4 gangers right? How are these and their troopers as cheap plentiful fodder models?

>>95864187
Damn, this have a release date yet? Maybe I can finally get around to getting Last Days on the table

>>95868207
The blog post about them says "As you can see, tooling is finished, the boxes are being printed, and they will be coming to you this summer!", so some point in then.

>>95866373
They use that old super-hard, glossy plastic for their castings. Same stuff people use for board game pawns. It tends to tear or shatter if you don't cut it with a saw, scrapes and sands fine. I only use etching primers on it, but I'm not sure if it matters. I've converted up a few of their Space Rangers but not the gangers.

>>95868207
IIRC the email said they're coming "this summer" and currently in the box-printing stage. That usually means about a month before they open preorders and then another month or two after that to get things shipped. Opening the UK branch may have slowed that time frame down a little

>>95866139
Well you can deliver orders to multiple squads at once on a platoon or company level in real life or with a simple click and drag in videogame but it doesn't turn out into fleshblob vs fleshblob. Because a decent battle have multiple objectives, chokepoints and killboxes.

So you raise a good point on surface level but any battle report tells us it's a non-issue.

Is there any stl sculptor or manufacturer who makes mutated or monstrous horse heads?

>>95843804
>>95843965
Open Beta. I'm pretty down on the 4e rules.

Most of the community did not feel like a new edition was needed or warranted, sure you could release one to sort of reset the clock and start fresh, but 3e wasn't stale at all.

Everyone kind of agreed they needed a major balance pass, especially targeting the Ten Thunders faction. And there were a lot of crews left by the wayside that needed to be updated so many years into the edition.

But 4e is a completely different game. Almost nothing about it has stayed the same from 3e. The core rules are radically different and the crews do not play similarly at all. They basically just went and made a brand new game.

So, it's hard to say whether it is an improvement or not because it is so different, but it's change a lot of people never wanted or asked for. I think there are a couple neat ideas, but honestly I feel pretty negative about almost every major change they've made.

The open beta has been a bit of a mess, too. It has felt more like an alpha than an open beta. They have radically redesigned crews multiple times in the middle of the beta. It's not just tweaking power levels and balance, tightening up language, but they went into the beta with fundamental aspects still being designed. The edition release is at Gencon and they still don't even have beta rules for about 10 masters+crews. Every week there have been a bunch of errors in the beta cards too with unintentional changes, completely different versions of the same abilities, glaring rules errors. I get that betas are supposed to catch that stuff, but they inject more every week then have to go back and fix the next week. It just feels unnecessary when 3e was almost perfect.

>>95844193
>We often discuss how to get cheap skeletons and zombies.
Glad I decided to come here then, what's the consensus for best not-WHFB zombies? Mantic zombies/ghouls are a nice starting point, but would like more minis to mix in or kitbash.
Hard plastic very much preferred, I'd like to avoid printing unless necessary.

>>95869746
Fireforge has some nice undead villagers and WGA has a great zombie box that is very generic, but also great to bulk out your forces. In addition to that, Zombicide Black Plague (the medieval version) has plenty of nice looking zombies too (you can get them from Aliexpress for pennies usually).

>>95869746
Frostgrave Cultists

>>95869746
Fireforge has the best medieval plastics. Pic related. Their standard Peasant kit mixes and matches with it, too. There are enough extra bits in the box - each sprue of six models comes with 12 heads, plus arms and weapons for ~25 figures - that you can dress up several other more generic kits with them to make more zeds. Three sprues of six models each for $25.
Speaking of dress-up, WGA's zombies are generic as fuck (on purpose) and unarmed. No weapons, lots and lots of heads for different periods. They're dressed in a tattered tunic or t-shirt and torn shorts. Five sprues of six models, 70-odd heads per sprue and 18 arms, so again you can tart up about 15-20 other models with spare bits from the box.
Mantic's kit is.. okay. The problem isn't the sculpts or quality. It's that the box is a stack of 13 identical sprues with only three models each, and it's very hard to vary the poses or convert them. All of the models have one or both arms in fixed positions, two out of the three torsoes have extremely distinctive weapons, and there are only a couple of extra heads with no extra arms. One or two sprues for variety in a larger unit is fine. In big units they're miserable to paint and look extremely copy/paste. The Ghoul unit has much the same problem, with only two models per sprue and a single weapon/head variant on it.
The Frostgrave male Cultist kit only has bits for about 4-6 zombies and another handful of skeletons in the box of 20 models. Not recommended for Undead on its own, even if it's a great kit otherwise. The female box has bits for more like 15 per box of 20, but none of the zombie arms have weapons.

If you're looking for a good variety you'd probably be best-off grabbing one box of each of the Frostgrave Cultist kits and then one of the Fireforge peasants to kitbash, should get you about 50-60 zombies with enough bits to convert a few generic infantry from one of your buddy's armies to throw in the units as well.

>>95869746
WGA has a box of hyper-generic zombies with like a dozen different settings represented in the heads, which can be really helpful if you have extra bodies about.

>>95871045
>>95870703
>>95869795
WGA sprue pics for reference. Naps, WWI and II, Iron Age, Dark Ages, Roman, Revolutionary War/pirate, Western, modern (cop, construction, beanie, fireman, bobby) and some bald heads. It's a solid selection.

>>95871141
>>95870703
And fuck it, Mantic/Frostgrave sprues while I'm at it.

>>95871153
>>95870703
You can see how anemic the variety really is on the Mantic sprues.

I've been getting started on my Russia-Ukraine 2022 project. I found this $5 cars at the toy store. I think it's supposed to be a American MATV, but once repainted I think it passes as a Russian GAZ Tigr pretty well, especially to laymen. Even if it's slightly inaccurate, I still prefer spending $5 on a toy car than $40 on an accurate Tigr from Empress Miniatures

>>95871166
>>95870703
Frostgrave Cultists 2 (). Some shockingly bad heads on this one, even if you can still get cheap capirotes from Check Point Minis and steal a couple off of Cutlists . Weapon variety is a lot nicer though

>>95871178
Give me a bigger Z zister!

I'm getting some miniatures ready for printing and playtesting a few mecha rulesets (Arsenal, Zeo Genesis, Bangarang). Thinking about downscaling the Arsenal minis to about 85% (roughly 32mm to 28mm).
Mainly based on the common skirmish game play area of 3'x3' and 75-80mm bases being HUGE. Seems like if I downscale I get more tactical movement with terrain just from moving a few plain bases around my table. 60mm based mecha just seems a lot more usable
Think this is a good idea? I don't want to go down the 15mm rabbit hole at the moment, and reverse scale creep makes me smile a bit too.

>>95871395
I copied the placement and size from a destroyed Tigr pic I found online

>>95872058
Arsenal uses 60mm bases and I think the mech size is perfect

>>95872495
Those are 4"/100mm bases according to the guy that made that video. Arsenal recommends 75mm.
The rightmost mech in my post is scaled down to 85% on top of a 60mm base, and is the same model as the two grey ones in your screengrab. The center is the the original scale on top of an 80 and is almost hanging 5.
I think I am just going to have to waste the resin and print a few different scales to see what looks best on the table.
Definitely scaling the infantry down to 28mm, 35mm is just too big.

>>95872495
I feel this game would be a lot better in 15mm than 28

>>95875140
I agree, but 15mm means a lot more work on miniatures, and since I am printing a set of infantry and mecha to try out a variety of game rules, it also means more book keeping on my part.

>>95844193
I have the fireforge zombies. I've decided to make them my next painting project. Any advice on painting zombies? I mostly use vallejo and citadel paints but happy to use whatever.

>>95875800
I have used variations on the old Spiky rat pack pale skin tutorial for a long time.
https://spikyratpack.blogspot.com/2014/02/pale-skin-tutorial.html
It seems like a lot of steps, but just reading through the process is pretty enlightening.
Gardens of Hecate has a good one for more a more dried up exhumed from the soil type undead that I thought was pretty cool. Using agrellan earth and typhus corrosion for textures, though I wasn't able to replicate it well.
https://gardensofhecate.com/blog/miniature/tutorial-painting-mummified-skin

>>95862234
>How are the Forge Fathers? A friend of mine digs them quite a bit.

Infantry:
Militia: Older models, they go together very easily, with few parts, but the down-side is that there are few parts and half of them will be 2 parts and look pretty much identical.

Steel Warriors: (and variants) these have good detail, and go together well enough, except for the waist. The torso and legs don't mate nicely without a little work.

Forge Guard: Arguably the best of the range, they're simple to put together, but completely monopose. Certain legs are keyed to certtain torsos, and the the joint between the arms and the shoulders feels insubstantial, but shouldn't be a problem.

Hammerfist Drop Squad: I haven't assembled mine yet, but the metal weapons look like a lot of weight for the shoulder joints. We'll see, I guess.

Brokkrs: Mine are "Restic", which is basically a worse version of PVC. I think they're case in proper resin now, but don't quote me on that.

Valkyr Bikers: No idea, never had any.

Iron Ancestors: I've got the regular one, also "Restic". Simple assembly, goes together easily enough. Mine doesn't stand flat on the base, but I'm unsure if that's a design/manufacturing defect or if the leg is distorted so slightly that I can't eyeball it. YMMV. (nothing that pinning and stuffing basing material under the foot won't fix)

Tanks: A-tier kit. The only things holding them back are the dozer blade ataching in a slightly awkward way (no socketing, it just glues to a concave curve on the front. I magnetized mine) and some turrets are heavy enough to tip out of the socket while the model is on a flat surface. You could glue the turret, but the kit is made in such a way that you can switch between APC and AFV/MBT and the optional parts at the rear will attach with only a pressure fit, so you probably want to keep your options open.

>>95876455
Jotun: Mine's "Restic" and took some work to put together due to alignment issues. Have hot water to hand and get everything to dry fit before gluing.

Hultr: Mostly a big chunk of resin. I don't know why the front part had to be so many small pieces, but they did go together easily enough, so I'm not complaining.

>>95876455
>but the metal weapons look like a lot of weight for the shoulder joints. We'll see, I guess.

It says plastic + resin on the website, so maybe they changed the metal weapons to resin?

>Brokkrs: Mine are "Restic
>Premium plastic requires super glue.
Still "plastic" it seems.

I like their walkers and pic related gun plattform, but overall i dont like Dwarfs enough to justify buying into an army of space dwarfs.
But they did "space dwarfs" better than WGA and GW.

>>95876248
Both sound very good. I’ve had success with technical paints for bases before. I got a great crackling effect but I had to apply it over pva glue. I doubt I could do that over an actual model though without messing up the details. I’ll try to find the video where they explained some different techniques to get the most out of technical paints. At least the corrosion wash might work, I’ll do some experimenting.

>>95875800
>Any advice on painting zombies?
Pick a skin tone and use washes.
Zombies are like the ultimate mook, I wouldn't stress to much about perfection.

>>95876248
>painting dry zombie skin using crackle paint
mind blown

>>95875800
>Any advice on painting zombies?
Like normal line infantry, except mix light grey into basic skin tone and more red into the shading wash.
Plus any "mistakes" in highlighting that would make normal humans look gaunt or unhealthy will work to your advantage.

>>95876782
Zombie skin is fun because you can go really wild with skin-tones, can even do colors like orange-yellow, green, blue, etc. mixes. And lazy washing also helps too, since it actually will make them look gaunt.

>>95875748
>15mm more work than 28mm
You have never painted anything smaller than 28mm. Absolutely retarded take.

Made up a new faction to fight against in 5 parsecs. They are goons of a smuggler syndicate on a desert world. (i used a mix of Stargrave Scavengers and Fireforge Black Guard bits for this squad)

>>95877284

>>95876905
More work as I then have to source thematically appropriate 15mm SF infantry, and then likely convert them too. As downscaling 35mm minis to 15mm is a no go for gaming pieces. Nowhere was painting mentioned in my several posts about finding a sweet spot for scaling miniatures for combined arms mecha games.
I know following a comment chain is tough, maybe better luck next time?

>>95877291
Turn these goons into gooners and we're talking.

>>95877291
I dig them, I have some Frostgrave cultist bodies set aside for this very purpose. Space AKs really sells the theme.

Progress on my palisade walls.

>>95878489
Backside

Lads, what kinds of monsters do you prefer? I normally play bad guys mordor style when I don't play the good guys, and I love lesser dragons, trolls and swarms of birds/bats.

>>95878845
I love me some weird gribbly things. Generally, the more twisted the form, the better for me, even for more mundane monsters, I prefer more bestial versions for things like ogres and trolls.

>>95878845
Anything undead and necromantic, from the humble zombie peasant to flesh/bone golems, ghost dragons and liches.

>>95877775
I would posit that there is more choice in 15mm for sci fi than 28mm. 28mm is suprisingly light on when you exclude 40k (and I do).

Painting 15mm however is a weird one. It can actually be more work to paint the smaller scales if you do much more than block paint and a wash.

>>95878845
Aberrations and bodyhorror stuff, crafted monstrosities. Mostly because it's hard to fuck up when you sculpt them.

I'd like undead stuff to, seeing how fun i have with skulls. But by now it feels like a downgrade to go to classic undeads fueld by magic. I'd miss the moving meat i think

>>95878510
>>95878489
I know you're WiP so you're still workin' on it, but normally the cut areas on a palisade are much lighter than the outsides of the logs, even after they're barked. Inking the skewers makes the cut parts a lot *darker*, and sometimes people miss it on the cleanup. Other than that, lookin' great. I love me some beatup salvaged duckboards.

>>95878845
>Lads, what kinds of monsters do you prefer?
Commies
More seriously, it's a mix of stuff. Terrible 1890s dinosaur reconstructions, prehistoric beasts in general, Harryhausen critters, regular animals, Bob Olley trolls, Japanese yokai, beastmen, and absolute shit-tons of undead that have sort of conglomerated into an army while I wasn't looking. I also like horse-trading for people's broken models and then converting them with spare bits; the model on the right in the pic is a damaged Reaper frost troll I got for a buck, with a vulture head, new hand, sculpted wattles, and some feathers laid in on the back. Did something similar to a partially-melted rubber werewolf to make a betentacled rat ogre.

>everyone else likes meatbeasts and undead
God, we really are a fucked-up bunch, aren't we?

>>95879390
Your correct. I was hoping a dry brush would lighten the tips up and bit but they look fairly dark. Im just gonna forge ahead to keep them all looking consistent.

>>95879546
Reverse side.

>>95878489
>>95878510
>>95879546
>>95879557
Cool shit, Anon.

>>95878845
Skeletons. They are just so fucking cool and fun to paint.

>>95879546
>I was hoping a dry brush would lighten the tips up
Embrace it and make the tips hardened in fire.

>>95879622
>fun to paint.
I need to exercise patience with skeletons because when I do the brown basecoat I get impatient and go to the bone basecoat too quickly when following those skeleton speed painting drybrush tutorials.

>>95879726
I am. If I change what I'm doing now I'll have walls that drastically look different and that will bug me.

>>95879912
Set everything on fire.

>>95880115

Lets assume that we have monopose miniatures in a ranks and file tye of game, forming phalanx.
lets assume, they are not uniform, with ragtag sets of armor but matching type of weapons (all pikes)
This means that there are more than one sculpt, not em4 like horde of one mini repeated 50 times.
At which point the repetativness will be jarring to the eye?
What if we had different poses (pikes at different elevations), would three different variants per pose be enough ?

>>95881418
6-7 poses at least.
Also /hwg/

>>95881484
Its a generic question made with warhammer in mind

>>95879557
Honestly? I have been working on a palisade before. In your place I would make
>the raised part as separate
and
>longer wood sections on the walls.
By this I mean you have these bases you glue sticks to, one or two stick more on each side, going beyond the bases. Then, you can create a wider, connector segment into which you can insert walls. This lets your wall segments connect seamlessly at different angles (based on how you make your connectors)

Thats just a thing I would like to know when I started making palisades not critique or anything.

>>95881490
Still, hwg might know best about monopose miniatures in regimental blocks.
I would say as long as the front rank is individual sculpts, the back does not matter too much as long as not two clones are standing right next to each other. But even that could work of they are painted differently.
If clones (like 25x orc with spear from EM4), then the whole regiment should be made with the same pose. That also can look good in an abstract way I think.

>>95877284
>>95877291
My brother in Five. Here are my Queen of Hearts rivals gang and Ratmen Scavengers in the middle of getting based

>>95878953
One of the reasons I like tyrandis is they weird posibilities, I wonder if anyone has made fantasy versions of them than look cool, I have a few.
>>95879061
Never liked the undead for some reason, but I have a great love for the fungy zombies.
>>95879280
Man of culture.
>>95879390
Gyuver is one of my prefered comics, so I understand it.
>>95879622
Spooky.

>>95882058
How would a fantasy version of a tyranid even look like? It's monsters with mostly claws and weird bioguns

>>95882095
This is probably the closest from Warhammer fantasy https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Tregara

>>95882095
There are the abyssals in mantic than you could use the tyranids for, but I mean, they are insectoid monsters after all, any Hive stuff is golden, or make them mixed with tree-stuff to make protector of the forest etc

>>95882058
Why make them look "cool" when you can have Bugrom instead?

>>95882202
Bugrom cool tough.

>>95882095
Something like that.

>>95882058
>fantasy versions
They're bug monsters. Other than the bio guns, they fit fantasy just fine.
Quick google search says humanoid bug monsters have been a thing in DnD since at least 77'.

>>95882597
I mean conversions to make them fit fantasy like games more, no bully.

>>95882095

a dragon is a biogun. Fantasy is full of bile spewing, disolving acids, bugs, flames and magic.
so they would look exactly the same. Theres nothing specifically sci-fi about them.

>>95882842
That was exactly my point anon. There is no need to make fantasy versions of them at all

>>95866029
>>95869060
>activating multiple units simultaneously
Alright, here’s a simple house-rule which could add this in OPR without breaking it:
>All units which are grouped, can be activated and moved together
>Multiple units which are not grouped, can be moved together if they move to form a group
>Shooting is still done in alternating activation
I don’t see much obvious exploits that could stem from that.

>>95882602
Add a rider on top of the bigger ones

>>95869060

Lion Rampant has group activation rules for movement, where you can order multiple units at a time, but the larger the group is, the more penalties you get to the activation roll. So it's -1 for three units, -2 for four and so on.

>>95882095
>How would a fantasy version of a tyranid even look like?
Legion beasts from Warmahordes.

>>95883171
Based and Morrowind pilled, from where is this stuff.

>>95881802
Nice. Maybe show us a closeup on thos ratmen. Is it converted skaven? Or mantics rats? Its hard to tell.

Right now i'm assembling a 2nd squad of 6 desert not-arab-guys, and while i like the Black Guard as base, their sprue layout is flawed.

There is only one way to build them, which is with spears. I guess thats fair, since its a historical unit of spearmen, but still. The banner and other command bits that are included are nice, but they "steal" a big amount of space from that sprue. Here it really becomes an issue that they do one sprue boxes only, so you end up with 4 flag bearers and 4 drummers between 24 figures if you would build all 8 of them.. which would be silly. But if you dont, you end up with almost 1/3 of the plastic of your kit being unused. 4 Sprues of Spearmen, and maybe a half sized sprue with command bits would have been a better solution. Especially considering they could have added that small command sprue into their 2nd arab infantry set as well. That one has bows and melee weapons, but no command bits at all. But maybe both kits are intended to be used together in the first place.
Enough blogposting.

The plastic is very good quality, very sharp (especially compared with earlier Fireforge stuff like the Templars or Russians), and they finally got rid of the stupid puddle bases for their miniatures.
Size-wise, they match Northstars Stargrave stuff pretty much 1 to 1, the arms with rifles fit to those bodies pretty much perfectly.

>>95883685
Oh, one thing i forgot to criticize: the heads are all sideways in this sprue, so they can have this nice looking band of cloth hanging from the back of them. But it also means there is mold line running down the middle of each head and face. Moldlines in general are not too bad in this set (again, a big upgrade from their previous stuff), but still.

>>95883685
What I remember from assembling them is there not being enougharms with matching sleeves. It was some time ago though might not remember correctly.

>>95883951
*Blood memories activated*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ILqbD6XXkA

>>95882854
Put them on cobblestone bases and you're set.

>>95883685
>>95883699
>>95883951

I'm a big fireforge fan, so far the most crisp models I bought from them where the Byzantine infantrymen, really nice detail on their mail hauberks and scale cuirasses. I've thought of buying these fireforge Berbers, to me they look better than the islamic infantry that victrix made recently. But I haven't been able to justify it to myself, as I haven't figured out what kind of pseudo middle-eastern warband to fit them to.

>>95885106
I got them during a sale, and they work really nicely with what i had in mind for them. This is my desert smuggler gang so far, the remaining 2 sprues i keep for future conversion ideas.

>>95885261
Yeah those are nice conversions. One idea I had was to give them older jezzails etc. But I think Perry afghans are much more slender than fireforge models and WGA seems to have pulled their afghans from their store. There are STLs available of older islamic firearms, but getting them to the right size is a bitch and having dozens of Bedouins running around with firearms strapped to their backs while they wield swords or spears would look silly.

>>95885295
>and WGA seems to have pulled their afghans from their store.
No fucking way these were some of the best sprues I have ever worked with !

>>95885310

They're being retooled according to Hudson.

>>95881418
one single pose is fine
>>95857777
what models are those? Not the GW one

>>95885574
Left and right at least are Grenadier street violence or whatever the fuck they're called

Now available from Em4, Forlorn Hope

>>95841672 (OP)
I really like Chosen men.

I wonder what you would call games with heroic characters of that "scale" where they are powerful enough to really increase the power multiplier of a force, and tend to be the last guy standing, but not so powerful as to defeat another unit of multiple grunts outright?

It makes people feel like main characters without making them feel like super heros. more that fate slightly favors them rather than LITERALLY being demi-gods. It hits that balance of believable but epic in a way thats really hard to get right.

I'm pretty new to the wargame hobby, but it seems like a LOT of games, perhaps the majority, use a system that's a variation on
>roll 1d6 for each model in the unit when attacking (some special units get multiple attacks per model, but one is the base standard)
>roll 1d6 per time attacker hit to soak/armor save
>every unsoaked/saved hit kills a model (again, special units get multiple "wounds", but one is the standard)
>in melee, both sides make all these rolls

Some games even add even more rolls for a single attack/soak exchange
>after determining number of hits, attacker rolls 1d6 for each hit to determine how many wounds are inflicted on target

It all seems a bit much. Are there any games with less rolls per attack/melee round? All these rolls are why these games take so long to play a battle.

>>95886994
Oathmark. D10s only. 5 dice max. Roll against a TN to see if you hit. hits = HP loss. Most units save heros/monsters have 1 HP. No save rolls or one sided combats, combat happens simultaneously with both sides dealing damage to eachother.
It's pretty quick and simple.

so, what is the biggest detrement for the heroclix figures to not look closer to the renders?
the painjob done in mass production?
or the really soft bubblegum plastic they use?

>>95887564
All of it.

>>95841672 (OP)
Is there a system that has both a wargame aspect and a rpg aspect that you are designed to use both of fluidly?

I know theoretically older dnd editions were supposed to have some of that, but ive hardly ever heard of it really being done much outside of theory. Same with the various OSR stuff like ACKs.

I would really love to play an rpg that could seemlessly transition into a small scale skirmish game then back again. Sometimes your character leads warbands, sometimes they act in indivigual combat.

>>95887564
One would think that, now that 3d printers are a thing, minis companies would have to step up their game.

>>95882303
Yeah, Scyther is a cool pokemon.

>>95887625
I think that's how Savage Worlds is supposed to work. I'm not sure it scales much above skirmish level, but they market it as both an RPG and "miniatures game" as two separate uses for the game engine.

>>95886994
Five core and pretty much all "five X" (like Five leagues from the borderlands for example) games use a very simple system:
Shooting: D6 + shooting stat vs defenders D6+defense stat. If it's higher,it hits and does damage.
Melee: both sides roll D6+melee stat. Higher roll does damage.
Damage is based on the used weapon profile.

>>95887625
Fallout wasteland warfare is totally what you are looking for.

>>95888006
Shut up, Todd.

Will arts and crafts grade magnetic sheet work for this? I was just going to glue pennies/washers into the bases to make the minis more stable anyway.

>>95888031
Are you retarded anon? The system is pretty much exactly what that Anon was asking for.

>>95888006
I’ve always like the fallout series of games. I’ve wanted to play a fallout wargame for ages. The biggest problem I can see is I’d want my terrain to fit the game, like nukacola vending machines, and other retro futuristic stuff that fits the feel. None of my current terrain fits that and I don’t want to make a bunch of terrain that would only fit Fallout. Maybe one day when I’m retired or win the lotto.

>>95883644
Checked
It comes from a designer called "Rescale Miniatures" https://www.myminifactory.com/users/Rescaleminiatures

>>95889326
I really like this guy's (?) style, but DAMN he really has a bad case of neverprintitis.
He seriously expects such a big miniature to be fully resting on THAT ONE TINY HOOF?
And this hardly the most outrageously unprintable design in the catalogue.
Damn you Rescale Miniatures, you have such a cool and unique style, why don't you go the last extra step and test print them a little bit?

is alternative armies website only fucked on my end or are they still working on their remodeling?
I couldn't find info about it, but if they are it would make sense to me to have them just shut down the site with a placeholder disclaimer about it instead

This is from https://thesprueshop.co.uk/
Shit, is there a single website selling sprues which could send them in Western Europe? All the websites I can find sell either exclusively to the UK or the US

>>95844193
Warlords of Erewhon have boxes of both skeletons and orcs dirt cheap. Over here a box of 90 skeletons/orcs + 1 metal figure costs $74.

>>95889405
Yeah, they're updating. Says so on their twitter.

>>95885352
>Hudson Adams

>>95889798
oh 2 weeks, well, still within that I guess
just weird how the store functions but actually not

>>95888278
That's with good quality magnets in the bases, the ferro magnetic sheet won't hold miniatures that stable with just a steel washer in the base.
Ask me how I know.

>>95889887

Yeah, the owner of WGA has some silly libtarded opinions, but I sought his comment regarding one missing kit on their website. That is more relevant to /awg/ than his opinion about social media platforms. I've heard that bluesky is a terrible place though.

>>95890375
I use it now that some of the art people I follow migrated away from Twitter, and it's luckily way more configurable, as in you don't have to see random bullshit from influencers/politicians/liberal arts majors/sports ball.
Social media platforms in general are ALL ass now truly. Can't escape that. Too much money to be made in the enshittification era.
But if you need a place to post your work and engage with relevant media, that also isn't owned by meta or musk, you pretty much have bluesky or mastodon.

>>95890455
And Mastadon is basically built to block out anything you didn't explicitly follow.

Is this any good? And is it balanced?

>>95887610
>>95887634
Bubblegum sculps help them to not break, but then they look like melting horrible creatures.
And is probably cheaper

>>95885574
>>95885914
They are all from Em4 Future Skirmish:
https://em4miniatures.com/collections/future-skirmish-miniatures
I basically bought the entire collection back when they were worth around 2£ a piece

>>95841672 (OP)
>A Song of Ice and Fire
Not sure how to cope with the season 6 changes; despite his nerf Roose was still the premier panic-focused commander for Stannis-loyalty Baratheons
Davos (C) does a decent impression of Roose's healing and control with Fealty to the Crown and Parley, but then you can't take Davos as an attachment in a unit of Lightbringers. This combo was already quite strong, and is even stronger now with the buff to True Conviction. The other good attachment option for Lightbringers, the Red Priestess, got changed to melee-only. It's really hard to justify not taking Davos-in-Lightbringers just to access his tactics cards.
I think I'll be playing more of Stannis, Rightful Heir. He still seems strong despite the Tactical Approach nerf, and the free points for attachments helps him tote along Justin Massey, who was necessary to fish out your strong tactics cards but also pretty expensive in an army of expensive units.
>pic
Tentative list which I'll try out soon. Vargo in Wardens is a meme, but with every army having 4 points of free attachments now, you're more likely to run into problem attachments that you'd really like to delete.

My warband for rangers of shadowdeep:

2 men at arms
1 archer
1 tracker/rogue
1 templar
1 arcanist with 1 spell
1 ranger with heal, enchanted steel, Split cast, and hand of fate (the witch hunter)

>>95890825
there is a guy on youtube that is playing all the missions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdX-QiJ7osU&list=PLnnct8SS1onC7bRuDBr9nAx0qLAiOPJCR

seems like he likes it and it looks pretty fun, but the missions can have random stuff happening, so balance depends on those rolls

>>95887625
>Is there a system that has both a wargame aspect and a rpg aspect that you are designed to use both of fluidly?
I have some good news and I have some bad news, anon.
The bad news can be encapsulated as follows:
>1980s and 90s
>FASA
>West End Games
>Naval wargaming
With that out of the way - FASA's Star Trek roleplaying game, as well as the first three editions of MechWarrior the RPG, integrate pretty seamlessly with their respective wargames (Star Trek Tactical Combat Simulator and BattleTech). Likewise West End's Star Wars D6 RPG system has extensive miniatures skirmish rules, along with a space combat miniatures game.
If you want something less clunky? The old Mutant Chronicles RPG and Warzone 1st Edition let you port characters back and forth. Many of the early Unique Characters for Warzone were just the Heartbreaker Games staff's personal characters from their Doom Trooper crew. It's a very solid experience if you want batshit magitech cyberpunk with a hell of a lot stolen from early 40k

>>95889534
Those miniatures fucking SUCK to put together. Pay attention to the feet and legs, and the attachment point size for everything.

>>95890960
>>95885914
>>95885574
All of the "Street Violence" stuff and more besides is Mark Copplestone's sculpts. He licenses them extremely aggressively - Grenadier, North Star, eM4, and several other companies all cast them in-house.
https://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/ is the technically official site, but (for example) you can get them from https://badgergames.com/product/copplestone-castings/ in the States. Recreational Conflict carries his pulp stuff, others have just his SF or post-apoc, Wargames Foundry has a few, he's ALL over.

>>95891387
>https://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/
some of those military dudes are pretty rad I think I'll get some

>>95891387
The orcs aren't nearly as bad as the skeletons, but still suffer from 'truescale' weediness that makes their weapons a bit fragile.

>>95891321
didnt have enough recruitment points, so sacked one archer and took the liberty to buff up a few units slightly instead for increased recruitment cost. like giving the arcanist a throwing dagger

How is warmachine in this year of our lord 2025?
I like tesla punk and plan on buying this models to paint and maybe use in OPR rain or shine if the game isn't fun to play

>>95892062
They are just about finished releasing Cygnar's second army (Gravediggers, paratrooper trenchers) and starting on Khador's second (it's like an old gods deep woods warbeasts type thing called Old Umbrey). There's also 2 hard plastic 2 players starter sets. One Cygnar v Khador and one Brinebloods vs Khymera. They are still working out production issues on the 3d printed stuff. Some breaks and misprints get past QC that clearly should not, and it takes a few weeks to get replacements but they have been good about it.
They are also doing an MMF tribe for at home 3d printing. It mostly has terrain and alt sculpts, but they are also using to to re-release an old army (cephalyx).

They've shown some spoilers for the next 2 armies - another trollbloods army themed around battlefield scavenging and another Orgoth army more in line with the really old Mk1 era Orgoth illustrations.

>>95892156
Very cool.
So menoth is 100% kapoot right?
I'm thinking painting my cygnar royal purple and cream as a nod to them.
I'm thinking about maybe getting an "evil" army like the techno-barbairans, cryx or cyber-dragons

Some priming was done.

>>95892173
Yeah Menoth is gone for now. Likely they will get a successor faction eventually (like khymera). Skorne probably too. But will be a while, because Old Umbrey is in first stages of preorder and we already know the 2 armies after that are not new factions.

>>95892222
1. Nice quads
2. Last question: can you mix subfactions in the same faction? Like could I bring a group of Storm Force and then a group of Diggers?

>>95892229
No, armies within factions are completely separate. There is something called cadres, which are models that both armies in a faction can take. So for Cygnar, both gravediggers and storm legion can take models from the storm forge cadre (a bunch of lightning/stormsmith themed stuff) and from the hellslingers cadre (the cyngar half of the 2 player box with caine and the black 13th)

>>95892062
I went to a ttg con where some guy played an introduction round with me. Maybe he stripped down the rules a lot but there was literally zero way to interact with your opponent during their turn. No reactive movement/actions, no strategems, you don't even roll your saves.

>>95892156
They've also announced that the next plastic starter is Dusk vs Orgoth.

>>95892272
oof. Thats a pitty. Maybe it can be fun if I give a fair try.
Thankfully I'm more interested in the models and if its total unsalvagable dogshit I can at least use the minis for OPR.
Tesla punk is such a rare and fun aestetic

>>95892173
Sortof. If you have old Menoth, there are two armies you can build out of them, but most of their people either took the Stargate to Warcaster, moved to Zu, or died.

The earliest NuMenoth could show up is next year, as the next three release cycles are Khador, Trollbloods (Vietnam version) and either Orgoth 2 (apparently named Graveborne) or Khymaera 2 (Emberfrost Shard)

>>95892386
Graveborne and emberfrost are such dork names.

>>95841672 (OP)
Have you ever played a solo wargame?
https://strawpoll.com/kogjR16E3g6

>>95892406
The game has a long heritage of tween cringe.
I tried playing in mk2. It was kinda funny because when whfb blew itself up and everyone hated gw, WM had a golden opportunity to grow and just blew themselves up.

anyone know a good place to start looking if I want to learn more about WW2 Germany's ground war tactics and strategy? I'm looking for both company level and platoon level in terms of scope. This is for a WW2 tabletop wargame

I tried going to /his/ for this but that board is unusable.

>>95892386
>took the Stargate to Warcaster, moved to Zu, or died.

I'm sorry what

I haven't really followed Warmachine since Mk1 Remix but I know the Orgoth come back.

>>95892510
Checked the Osprey book collection at /hwg/ yet?
They are very much surface level history books, but they give you a quick overview.

There is the "history visualized" channel on youtube who does quite simple explanation videos of exactly what you want to see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVM6QQuYE3M&list=PLv0uEimc-uN9mCJpedR3him5sDRuwloVq

They also translated link related into english, maybe you can find it somewhere:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sturmgewehr-44-assault-platoon-pamphlet#/

>>95892406
This is the setting with the Scorn Empire, remember.

>>95892598
So Warcaster, the scifi game that Privateer made? Its technically the same setting as Warmachine, but on the other side of the galaxy and thousands of years later. When PP did their Oblivion "End Times" story arc, the robot cultist Cyriss followers built a Stargate to escape the planet when demons showed up to eat everyone's souls. Then a bunch of people used it to leave, including most of the Menothists who weren't secret infernalists.

The one who were secret infernalists mostly died. The ones who beither died nor left proceeded to move to Warmachine's version of Africa, and everyone keeps bugging Steamforged to bring them back with dinosaurs.

>>95891361
Thanks, I'll check it out. I already got some of the Necrons prepped for when I can finally fix my 3D printer.

>>95886850
>games with heroic characters of that "scale" where they are powerful enough to really increase the power multiplier of a force, and tend to be the last guy standing, but not so powerful as to defeat another unit of multiple grunts outright
Hey that sounds right up my alley, but I'm not too fond of Napoleonics. Are there other games with this premise?

>>95892738
awesome, this is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks friend

>>95892028
played my second game of shadowdeep. it was fun! but too easy. think I read the rules right, but I blasted through all the enemies in 2 turns and there was only a chance that 1 or 2 would trickle in via event phase. so it was kind of uneventful, but chill with some backgground spooky music.

am trying to get familiar with it so I can bring it to my library game night. No one plays wargames there, just rpgs and card games. I hope this cooperative and small scale game will be a good introduction to wargames for people. Need to find better terrain though, little weird to drag a bunch of paint cans and hair gel to use as trees.

I got a decent amount of miniatures, but not enough to play most wargames, even skirmish ones.

>>95888289
think its called a joke.
>>95887845
yah, from what ive seen of savage worlds, it does seem to have a skirmish game like flow to it.
>>95891387
Interesting stuff. I havent looked into FASA's stark trek at all, and im pretty into trek generally. have some familiarity with west end games though. you mean thier D6 system? never thought it had a wargame element.
I was looking for more fantasy or pre modern stuff more generally rather than sci fi or modern, but ill have to check out regardless, thanks!

>>95891815
Well, like I said, a whole bunch of places sell his stuff. Those are from the "Future Wars" line, so look around for "Copplestone Future Wars" and you ought to be able to find a better deal than shipping from Bongland. Unless you're a bonger, at which point Godspeed and for the love of Christ try some real Mexican food if you can get out of the country.

>>95892323
If you keep an eye out there are a lot of cheap models on the secondary market. One of Privateer's many (MANY) bone-headed moves was dumping a whole bunch of grab bags back stock on the used market for a quick buck when they needed to pay rent back in ~2019-2020 for dimes on the dollar. Stores have been liquidating the old lines as well, and since Steamforged has made no secret that they want to eventually dump all the legacy profiles people have been offloading those too.
>Love the aesthetic
Same, some of the models are great fun to paint. Have always disliked the game. The community has also been kind of insufferable for most of its existence, I just knew a bunch of the Press Gangers from my convention-running adventures.
If you're looking for alternate stuff, Reaper has a really blatant Dwarf warcaster and Ral Partha Europe sells "steam golem" Warjacks left over from endstage Mage Knight for very cheap.
https://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/shop/fantasy-warband-rpg-minis-28mm-c-181/monsters-and-beasts-c-181_206/gz531-steam-powered-warmachine-p-4449.html
https://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/shop/mage-knight-c-56/502-brass-golem-p-1861.html
https://www.reapermini.com/search/steam/latest/50165
https://www.reapermini.com/search/steam/latest/80031
https://www.reapermini.com/search/steam/latest/80004
https://www.reapermini.com/search/steam/latest/50001

>>95892386
I think the next new faction army we're getting is Skorne, based on the last Q+A having them brought up. And they might have dinosaurs because they were extra pissy this time around due to people asking for Menites on Dinos.

Not going to stop asking.

>>95893246
>so look around for "Copplestone Future Wars"
good idea, thanks
I even found an EU store. But for some reason they ship to my EU cunt for 20 eur.
Best I could do is to get it to a neighbor country to my friend there with 9 eur shipping. Or just buy an Ooh Rah box from a local store here lol

>>95893216
>have some familiarity with west end games though. you mean thier D6 system?
Yep. There's a minis supplement for both land and space combat in 1e and a mass battles plugin that came out right before or after 2e, they should be in the /swg/ troves.
>FASA-Trek
It's a clunky system in a lot of ways (you knew that already, it's made by FASA). D100, skill-based, generally assumes the PCs are at least competent if not experts. It also has really cool mechanics for your PCs to affect the ship's performance in battle, and there's a simpler version of the space combat system for more massed battles. It's even got a ship building system.
>I already like Trek
There's a lot of Early Installment Weirdness. Ship designs are frozen in the TOS, TAS, and Movie timelines by and large, with a lot of non-canon or at the time demi-canon stuff filling in holes. Paramount's legal team stepped in and cock-punched FASA just after the first TNG books came out (and the game went bust before Best of Both Worlds aired), so there are few TNG ships and the entire universe blurb follows the first TNG Writer's Guide extremely closely. Including making the Bugs from "Conspiracy" and the Ferengi the main villains, Klingons are now Federation members, etc. As far as the movies go, it stops at STIV.
With all that said there are some extremely cool designs, and you can backfill many of FASA's original stat lines by using ship designs from other shows or with the ship building rules. The writer for several of their early supplements was John M. Ford, who was a consultant on OG Trek with DC Fontana and went on to essentially canonize the entire FASA Andorian book and chunks of several others while working on Enterprise. His take on Klingons is quite fun. As a Trek fan, the whole complex of stuff is absolutely fascinating.
FWIW, I've used my fleet of Attack Wing and Clix-Trek ships far more for FASA-Trek than their intended purposes. YMMV if you don't like moderately-detailed naval wargames

>>95893216
>>95887625
>>95891321
Hypothetically Rangers of shadowdeep/ other collough games like frostgrave could be used well in this way. Its essentially a stripped down d&d but in a different way then OSR. Opposed d20 rolls making actions quicker but still taking the basic principle of 5% incriments with mostly light modifiers. Shadowdeep basicly shows the pve angle and frostgrave shows the pvp angle.

dont know if it would feel too restrictive if you just had your one character though, but you are supposed to be able to play shadowdeep with others and either have only 1 secondary companion or none.

>>95883203
It's in the optional rules if memory serves? It is sensitive gamedesign: you can do it, but the greedier you are the riskier it is. It balance itself out and put a natural limit to the system.

>>95893722
>>95883203
whats the activation based on? the lowest activation unit?

Something I didnt like about lion rampent was its activation where you just fucking moved your elite units first cause they were the only ones with a good chance to do something. lot of blue balls. really wish it was more specific actions that caused you to check activation rather than every little thing. allow my shitty little goblins to go forwards, damnit!
Much prefer "activation by section" like hail ceaser (even though I like removing models like lion rampent better)

>>95892386
Graveborne is the Cadre coming in the new plastic 2 player set, Reaper Covenant is the next Orgoth army. If they stick to what they were testing, Graveborne will be Fury based with both a heavy and light. We've at least seen the heavy.

>>95892598
So it turns out that Thamar sold the location of the elven gods and 2/3rds of humanity's souls to Infernals to give humanity magic. Then the Infernals showed up to collect at the end of MK3. Cyriss also turned out to be a giant space computer goddess, and the CoC were building a Stargate to join her. When the Infernals showed up and started killing, a bunch of Menites fled through the gate to escape, while Durant(I think it was him) led a bunch down to Zu. What protectorate influence that's left now is the Exemplars hold some territory and Feora is out there, being a crazy bitch, so they can always use her to bring in a zealot army.

>>95893315
I thought Mat squished that idea in the last AMA? He did mention the army after Vietnam Trolls was warlock based and he was painting the armor red, but when asked if it was Skorne, he gave the canned "Eventyally down the line" answer they give when it's something they haven't planned out yet.

>>95891387
The wgf orcs are much nicer to assemble than the skeletons. They also look like the the 10mm WGA orcs .

Does anyone know of any skirmish style games centered around two RPG parties of three to six miniatures fighting each other in a dungeon?

>>95894429
You could do sword weirdos

>>95894105
Squashed which idea? The Menite Dino ones? I mean yeah it's been hard denied several Q+As back, and it keeps getting brought up anyway despite SFG getting actually annoyed by it at this point and giving hard no.

>>95894429
Relic Blade I think?

>>95894105
When I said new faction, by the way, I mean specifically once every current faction has 2+ armies.

Do any of you anons play wargames from Wargames Vault? It's an indie storefront from the same people that do DriveThruRPG.

>>95894749
Yeah, one of the blokes from /hwg/ does some pretty well thought out historical rulesets and I've bought a couple. Ostfront publishing I think it is, Tom Jensen is his name.

>>95894749
I've got one on the backburner, but it'll be a long while yet before I get all the stuff together for it.

>>95894749
Torch and Shield
Honest to God the best skirmish game I ever played

>>95894573
No, the Skorne after Trolls idea. I really think it'll be Orgoth. Unless the rumors that Fane of Nyrros is also a Fury army comes true, but that one seems a pipedream.

>>95894429
Kind of what frostgrave is

>>95894791
I mean they said no other factions till every current faction has two armies, so I'd be silly to expect anything else.

>>95894429
That was kind of the goal of Otherworld Skirmish/7TV Fantasy/7th Voyage (the Otherworld guys were just using 7TV 1e as a base). Frostgrave's "Breeding Pits" supplement has some interesting dungeon fighting rules you could adapt to other games as well.

>>95894414
>>95891921
Yeah, my bad. I was just shitting on the skellies, I don't have any of the orcs

>>95894929
So we've got Reaper Covenant, Fane of Nyrros, Emberfrost, and an unknown Cryx army left, and we know it's a Fury army after Trolls. Most likely out those to be Fury based is Reaper, since rumors of them being warlock led have been around since MK4 came out, and Emberfrost, since Khymaera is very much all warlocks and Incarnates wasn't said to become a Shadowflame only Cadre like the others. I'm saying Orgoth, since it would line up with the 2 player starter, which we know is already having the molds tooled. I think it'll go Reaper -> Fane -> Emberfrost -> Cryx or new faction, since Cryx was a deviation to include it in the first place, after so many people asked for them.

>>95894429
Yeah that's exactly the concept behind Relicblade

>>95894776
>Honest to God the best skirmish game I ever played
Is that the PvPvE dungeon delving one?

This seems cool

>>95891921
I actually with they were much smaller. In LOTR orcs are described as shorter than men, with their tallest specimens being almost as tall as men but able to be as short as hobbits. This is for all orcs, including Saruman's uruk-hai.
But the WGF orcs are taller than some human figures at 1/56.

>>95895247
I'd agree if it wasn't so obviously "Jurassic Park". Just be your own thing. Don't saddle yourself with their inaccurate dinosaurs or mediocre decisions just to get the nostalgiabux. It could have included a lot more. Also, something like dilophosaurus was actually MORE terrifying in real life, than the odd frilled spitting thing it became in the book/movie.

>>95895247
You seem cool, bitch.

What's your favourite dinosaur, /tg/? Mine is Suchomimus.

>>95895284
Not going to defend JW but a lot of the shit like dilophosaurus was old mate making a statement about not being able to know stuff about soft tissue features. Haven't read it myself just had a few boozy nights with a mate when we worked at a dinosaur museum, told me about the reasoning behind a lot of the stuff in the book

>>95895315
It's a plot point the dinosaurs aren't actually true dinosaurs, they're artificial theme park attractions that couldn't be controlled.
Ingen couldn't predict how much of veloraptor behavior was learned, so all their raptors are violent cannibal sociopaths that in the second book eat their own young from their own nests, and shit like spitting was an unintended side effect like many dinosaurs being unable to see still things or the sex changing. Wu talks it over with Hammond how they can improve their attractions, make them flashier, but Hammond wants the "real" thing and Wu can't get it through his head that none of the dinosaurs are the real thing.

>>95895348
I'll have to get around to reading it, sounds pretty well thought out. Recently left palaeotourism for a spell but the shit about de-extinction seems more and more relevant

>>95895186
The same

>>95894929
I know they were a meme but I'd love to see a return of the pigs and gators

>>95895247
I hate how everyone always does this. That is not nearly enough fence terrain to do ANYTHING with. MDF is so fucking cheap, they could put 4x as many sheets of MDF fencing in there and it would cost them peanuts

>>95893800
Thats something I like about oathmark. if you fail activation, you can still do a simple action.

>>95895247
Now I am reminded there will never be a Dinotopia or Cadillacs and Dinosaurs wargame.

>>95895247
A couple months ago I posted here about Clone-A-Saurus, basically the same thing, although in that one you're either corporate mercenaries going back into the abandoned dinosaur island to loot it, or just straight up a dinosaur army.

>>95894776
>Torch and Shield
This looks cool, I wonder if there is a PDF floating around. I've got the OG Warhammer Quest tiles and a shitload of dwarves.

>>95895579
I am litterally beta testing the undead, humans and elves with friends

>>95895604
Looks like a smashing time.

>>95895604
Where do you get tiles like this? I look online and I only ever find ridiculously expensive shit or 3d printer shit

>>95895631
My friend has a plastic printer
I have a resin one.
My tiles are from dragons rest. Painted them heroquest style
>>95895615
Thankx m8. The game kicks ass

>>95895631
Hirst arts molds are the oldschool option, but between the cost of the molds and dental plaster, you are better off finding a printing service and doing one of the billion dungeon tile STL sets out there.
You could also print Warhammer Quest tiles out and glue them to card for pretty cheap.

>>95895707
oh if you are DIY'ing this shit protip: You want squares larger than 25mm. Shoot for at least 30mm. I use the upper end at 50mm
This game is kinda claustrophobic

>>95895716
Yeah, when I printed tiles for Space Hulk I scaled the squares up to 32mm, downside is you get less tiles per sheet. Worth it though.

>>95895733
32s should do well
printing out the free warrior cards is well advised too. They are on the grimskald site

>>95895744
Still looking for a pirate full pdf, found the quickstart rules and reading through them right now. Love the callout to Brewhouse Bash.
R.I.P. Fat Bloke.

In the very early phases of building a space combat wargame that uses Newtonian movement and I've rigged up this design for a base. The idea is that you use D10s mounted in your base to track your ship's current vector, split into two component vectors at right angles to each other. So this ship would move 3" in the yellow direction and 2" in the red, and keep doing that until it spent thrust.

I feel like this is a good intuitive way to do newtonian movement without having to involve trig or a calculator. It helps that the arrow shape of the D10s' faces will point in the direction the ship travels based on that vector.

>>95896113
Fantastic idea

>>95896126
Thanks. I'm working out some ideas for factions. I think I want two human factions, one based on earth and one an independent state, plus at least two alien species and a species of AI who killed their creators and believe all organic life are dangerous, but I have a visual art guy who will have a lot of input there.

One neat thing about this is it leads to possibilities like generating a bunch of thrust, doing an attack run on a target, then spending thrust to flip 180 degrees and fire on the target while drifting "backwards" like the starfuries do on Babylon 5. You can also just flip 90 degrees, if your ship is optimized for broadside fire, and I'm hoping to have one of the human factions be basically the space British Royal Navy and lean hard into the broadside vibes

>>95896113
sailing ship or space ship?
because space ship also needs to worry about movement in z axis
and sailing ship needs to worry about momentum lost to water resistance

>>95894749
Basically all the games I play come from there. Corpo rules are usually just ploys to sell minis so all the good rule sets are indie by default

>>95896165
Spaceship, but we won't worry about movement in Z-axis because there's no reason to move up or down relative to the ecliptic plane as everything in a solar system is on that plane.

Also because we're playing this on a two dimensional table.

>>95895604
>>95895649
this game looks interesting but I have close to zero minis I could play it with

>>95893722
>>95893800

The worst one.

>>95896150
I'm in two minds about this, if you manage to capture lighting in a bottle you'll have greater reach with your own setting, but if you don't then something agnostic might be better. That said though, it's quite an open field at present for space games with attached settings and model ranges, while it's the setting agnostic ones that have competition.

>>95896165
>because space ship also needs to worry about movement in z axis
Without wishing to be too harsh on you I do see similar posts not infrequently on 4chan and it seems like people think "space is 3D so a space game should be 3D" without thinking about how it might be achieved, how practical that solution is, and how necessary.
Unless the X & Y axes are physically small and/or low res it's very difficult to come up with a practical system for the Z axis in the same scale and the same dimensions. Riser blocks, telescopic flight stands, some sort of clear acrylic Star Trek 3D chess bullshit
With air combat, well, there's an energy advantage to altitude; there's performance ceilings; there's performance advantages or disadvantages with different aircraft at different altitudes if you want to be that granular; there's also the ground with its flawless KDR. Space combat has none of that. For all practical purposes it's another dimension the exact same as the other two, but with a huge amount of fiddly bullshit that has to be introduced in order to include it

Anon has come up with a very elegant way to represent inertial combat. A further dimension would throw that elegance out, and for what?

https://redboxgames.squarespace.com

One for our American friends

>>95896365
I have toyed with minis agnostic but part of the logic is, I have an in with a fairly well known designer of files and his business manager who is already plugged into the wargame business and successfully manages one line for the designer, and they've mentioned launching a space wargame and that I'm the logical guy to come to for rules. Hitching my cart to theirs makes a lot more sense than trying to push it on my own.

>>95896411
Yeah, well, like I said, open field. Might as well, my opinion was pretty divided even without the backing, you could easily disappear into a Wargame Vault black hole with an agnostic game, and if you create enough gameplay archetypes it's as good as setting agnostic anyway.

Firestorm Armada has been dead for a long time, that whole vaguely Trekky, Twilight Imperium, space 4X computer game thing seems a pretty solid aesthetic. Not exactly asking for my opinion but I'm killing time before I go out anyway, my gut feeling is that space Napoleonic humans is a bit trite. Having them be stocky norf FC brick looking aliens is also trite, but somehow it seems better, at least to my taste. Maybe it's the verisimilitude, if you want to expand on this I feel the whole galactic bazaar aesthetic has got longer legs. Stray too far into Napoleonic Humans and you're running up against people printing BFG

>>95896476
That's a good point about space Napoleonic humans, I'll consider it, but regardless, I'll definitely have a faction whose gimmick is broadside combat, since that's a pretty natural evolution of the rules.

I'm not a fan of the generic blocky Halo ships, but they're popular for a reason and they will probably exist anyway. I'd love to include a faction with a strong Art Deco inspiration. My basic ideas

>Human faction themed on broadside combat with lasers and kinetics, aristocracy, I might make them space Spaniards rather than space British
>Human faction that mixes spinal guns and fighters in equal measure, basically carriers with particle accelerators that run the full length of the ship
>Water breathing colonial organism alien faction that uses ships that are broader than they are long, relying on banks of forward facing beams (rough visual inspiration from klingon birds of prey and romulan warbirds)
>Alien faction that heavily uses missile swarms and relies on mobility control. Still working on ideas for biology
>Robotic faction of AIs that killed their creators Terminator style. Their gimmick is to ignore the requirement for a capital ship that everyone else has, so they field six or so cruisers of about the same weight instead of a battleship, carrier group, or destroyer group

>>95896402
A pity, its a good range, if overpriced.

>>95893191
>using household products as terrain
I thought about the same. There are some deodorants with forms that could look like technical instalations.

>>95890881
>>95887564
I always see some figures and i am tempted to buy some.
But i agree the paint is not thinned and make it look like shit.

>>95895543
>there will never be a Dinotopia or Cadillacs and Dinosaurs wargame
Not with that attitude
>>95895284
>JP dilophosaurus
I’m glad someone else noticed.
Ok folks, saying this out loud for the people in the back:
If you represent your dilophosaurus with frills and human sized, it’s a dead giveaway that you just copied Jurassic Park, because it’s a pure invention from the movie. Dilophosaurus are pretty cool in their own right damnit, they were basically the apex predators of their time.
You can make dinosaurs weird in unexpected ways, but damnit try to be original about it at least

>>95897568
>Stealth incorporating deoderant into our hobby
Anon, this might be the greatest revolution the FLGS has ever seen.

>>95897795
Lol. That wasnt my intention.

>>95895631
Have you tried tracing flagstones on/in insulation foam?

>>95897568
You see technical installations, I see giant tombstones and massive floating eyeballs.

>>95895631
Foam. Draw flagstone pattern on top. Run knife over the lines, cutting slightly into the foam but not through it. Using a pen or pencil, Run the tip through the cuts to widen them.

>>95897568
>>95897822


Or tanks!

>>95897568
Cheap shot at the other players in the FLGS?

>>95898288
Deodorants ride forever, wild and free.

>>95896113
Did you check Triplanetary’s way of handling Newtonian movements in 2D? It’s pretty elegant

>>95897568
Looks like womens pleasure products to me.

First time building warlord miniatures (orcs)
I'm stressing all the weapons while trying to remove the nubs with my hobby knife, is there a way to avoid this?

>>95899325
Get a sharper blade and hold the piece very close to the spot where you want to cut something off, to avoid it bending.

>>95898109
I thought those are "proper" models. Nice job.

>>95899609
Wow, large scale Renegade Legion hover tanks.

>>95897876
That are big tombstones. Maybe a family crypts?

>>95898109
Looks more like planes and anti-grav vehicles. Noce idea.

>>95899325
Snip and trim. You'll get less resistance when cleaning the piece if its free from the sprue- cut up the gate and you should be able to get it off in one piece.

>>95898288
Cheap would be when you use the plastic box inlays from cookies and chocolate.

>>95899091
Probably the same chinese factory and they use the same mold!

>>95895247
Speaking of this game, does anyone here have any experience playing ANY of Blacksite Studios games? Literally all of their games seem super unique and cool, but I've never seen a single person playing any of them.
This dino game, their fantasy samurai game, the lunar game, whispers of the deep, etc.

>>95893800
Smash the two games together and play a nice homebrew?

>>95895247
>yet another BSS pump and dump game

hard fucking pass. Way overpriced models and the games themselves are a hot mess

>>95899049
See, I'm basing this on the fact that in real physics a vector can be split into two component vectors at right angles to each other. That means a hex grid will do more harm than good, since with that they're at 60 degree angles to each other. Otherwise this would still be a Battletech homebrew instead of an independent game idea.

>>95887564
demonic undead head on a tight living body

Anyone run through the new ACTA revised rules yet?