How much pity do you think a glorious jade soldier of the Grand Cathay Expedition Force experiences when he sees the average malnourished peasant of the Empire or - Celestial Dragon forbid - Bretonnia? I imagine he would feel a rushing mix of sympathy and contempt as he struggles to even distinguish such malformed creatures from beastmen, as anything close to human rather than mere stupid barbaric white apes.

With TOW being a specialist game do you think they might move away from the official timeline? For instance perhaps Miao Ying could reunite the warring Empire and reorganize it under Cathayan principles to be a truly equitable and civilized nation. That would be a fun twist.

As long as it is ran past the Chinese Sensitivity Team, the Design Studio can do what they want

>>95845179 (OP)
I'm completely out of the loop on current Cathay lore. What makes them Warhammer-y? Everything I see just makes seem like high elves 2.0 with zero downsides that Empire and Bretonnia have.

>>95845179 (OP)
Is this before or after the chink eats bat soup and creates a plague that rivals Nurgle’s most diabolical concoctions?

>>95845513
Absolutely ludicrous to suggest the benevolent nation of Grand Cathay would ever be in league with Nurgle. You will be banned from playing Warhammer.

>>95845329
Nothing. That's why they're shit. They're just High Elves mixed with Empire yet lacking any of the alien otherness of the former, and any of the grimness of the latter. Sanitised WoW slop

>>95845719
Nooo you don't realise Cathay has been around since WFRP 1st ed so that means they need a whole box of plastic sloppa for the piggies!!!

>>95845742
Plastic model companies make plastic models
Retards post on anonymous imageboard
Somehow the sun still rises

>>95845179 (OP)
I really don't get why Chinese are so hyper sensitive when it comes to their culture and history being depicted in foreign or even in their native media? Germans have no problem with the Empire being depicted as dysfunctional hellhole full of corrupted lords and all kinds of degenerancy and French don't mind Bretonnian lords being depicted as arrogant shitheads and their average peasants dirt poor and stupid bastards. Neither do Scandis mind Norsca being depicted as ravenous maniacs living solely for slaughter and killing. So why are Chinese so overly sensitive and want their faction to be some fucking goody two shoes thing with little conflict or crunch? it doesn't fit the setting at all and, most importantly, it's fucking boring.

>>95845179 (OP)
Honor the Dragon! Oh wait,

>>95845842
>and French don't mind Bretonnian lords being depicted as arrogant shitheads and their average peasants dirt poor and stupid bastards
The opposite, actually, we absolutely love it.
I don't think I've ever met a single player that even remotely felt annoyed about it.
>So why are Chinese so overly sensitive and want their faction to be some fucking goody two shoes thing with little conflict or crunch?
Pretty sure that the problem lies with it being presented to suits and not players. Players would have fun with their faction being grey, while suits are worrywarts and do not understand what could be fun about playing around such "bad" quirks.

>>95845842
>Germans have no problem with the Empire being depicted as dysfunctional hellhole full of corrupted lords and all kinds of degenerancy and French don't mind Bretonnian lords being depicted as arrogant shitheads and their average peasants dirt poor and stupid bastards.

They have a long history together, with banter (sometimes insults) going back and forth, including the UK ofc. China does not have this, and thats why they are very insecure about their culture. In this, they remind me of some Arabs and Turks, with the big difference that China is an economical powerhouse, and any company will do their best not to waste business opportunities there, while they do not give a shit about Turkey. But a Warhammer version of Islam would equally problematic.

>>95845842
This is the Chinese Century. You will accept their supremacy and you will like it. They endured a century of humiliation and will endure no more.

>>95846122
I mean Conquest has no issue doing a fantasy Arabia with djinns efreets and all sorts of evil sorcerous viziers and janissaries.

>>95845842
Yeah its fucking boring. Fine make a stupid chink faction, but atleast make it fucking interesting.

>>95846019
Get back to /btg/ where you belong!
There are Davions that need slaying!

>>95846238
This is China's Final Warning...the seventh final warning.

>>95845842
>>95846082
It only matters when it's not white people, anons.

>>95845842
Something tells me that chinese players (and maybe even the average Chinese person) wouldn't give a flying fuck and would struggle to find any problem with that we deem "culturally insensitive".

I think the problem is solely in the eyes of westerners and/or (some) 3rd+ generation Asian-americans


But maybe it's just me and it actually is ontological unethical and objectively bad to not consult a sensitivity team.

>>95850639
This is the one time I think the PC team did a good job. Genuinely no uglification or other bullshit like Sweet Baby Inc or Black Gamer crowd.

Most of this is coming from hysterical, cultureless mixed yanks who have mental illness out the ass.

>>95845842
I never met a Chinese sensituve about their culture. Chances are it was an ABC group who they're afraid to offend.

>>95851099
I suspect the bigger issue would be the Chinese government.... is WH stuff even officially sold in China? I imagine TK and VC would be hard no's for them, VC at least since i think it's the visible gore that's an issue.

>>95845842
I don't really get the argument that cathay is meant to appeal to the Chinese market. They don't even have China listed under customer locations on their website and have no mandarin version of it. I would think if they're trying to branch into China they would take very basic marketing steps first before making a whole faction for that purpose.

>>95851121
It makes some sense from the pov of both expats/diaspora and unofficial imports, sorta like how Nintendo apparently sold 400k Switch 2s in China despite not releasing there.

>>95845842
Chinese are hyper sensitive because they are used to speaking from a position of total cultural dominance to a extent no European culture really had since the romans.

With that said, like the other anon said, I think it's mostly just their fear of being cancelled by people in America. The whole idea of "Ethnic human faction but fantasy" is something that can very easily get them into trouble now that Warhammer has largely moved away from it's traditional wargaming roots. Nobody cares about the Empire or Bretonnia because they are largely viewed as white cultures and nobody cares about white people making fun of themselves (And in Europe everybody mocks each other, so nobody cares there).

>>95851121
Cathay is mostly a test case to see if Ethnic human factions sell. This isn't fourth edition, they don't want people to show up with a army of Chinese 20mm soldiers. That's part of the reason why they killed off Warhammer fantasy in the first place.

It's why they picked Cathay over Kislev. Because the whole Ukraine war has largely made the whole Kislev situation a bit uncomfortable.

>>95851237
If it does do well i wonder if Ind/Nippon/Araby are going to happen.... Also maybe Dogs of War with a core based around the city states of the Southern Kingdoms/Tilea/Estalia

>>95851311
Araby might be too controversial, sadly. I could MABYE see Ind or Nippon being a thing though.

Dogs of war is also pretty likely to come back next(Though Kislev is also possible). Despite everything, they do still have fans and if they are serious about making the Old World a thing then putting more focus on the Southern Kingdoms is a good place to go.

>>95851455
Kislev is already done most likely with the only reason there's no news on them being the war in Ukraine.

>>95851483
I assumed as much. Not sure when that's going to end, but I wouldn't be surprised they drop very quickly afterwards.

>>95851494
I assume they also probably want to be too human focused..... Ind would probably use various civilized beastmen (Tigermen and Elephants are mentioned in lore i think), Nippon would probably be about 50/50 on humans vs spirit units.

>>95851524
The biggest issue with Nippon is probably making soldiers that can't be easily replaced with historical models but still look distinctly like Samurai. Otherwise, agree that spirits will get plenty of mention. Could also see some old school ideas come back.

>>95845329
>Zero downside
anon they're Chinese, what bigger downside could they even have

Shame Cathay doesn't start with any centerpiece chariot models, but when it does drop the Murder Van kit is going to be fucking sick.

>>95851536
They could probably put 2 armies in Nippon a Chaos/Evil spirit army (oni/Tengu/Kappa/etc) and a human faction putting up with them (Samurai/Ninja/monks)

>>95851591
>Cathay
>Chariots
Seems unlikely we'll get any since there aren't any in WH3 and they are never mentioned period

>>95845329
The dragons in charge of the place are genuinely nowhere near as perfect as they make themselves out to be. It's also pretty fair to say the entire thing on their part is at best a giant cat cafe and at worst them basically enslaving humans.

Empire might be a corrupt mess, but you are probably more free there than in Cathay. Bretonnia... is honestly just as bad since they are being controlled by Wood Elves in secret. But at least the people in charge do often hold themselves to ideas of chivalry and protecting the common folk. In Cathay, you are always expendable and the rulers really aren't beholden to anything than each other.

>>95845842
because China is the last nation on the planet that still has national pride.

>>95851605
Yeah, you could do plenty of shit with Chaos and Japanese mythology. Just say they are very weird beastmen and you can pretty much justify a army of Nue's easily.

>>95851613
Someday Chinaman shall invent wheel.

Or at least will bring back one from the Empire to copy and sell for less.

>>95851708
I mean they have wheels on arty, but it's not like the empire has chariots.

>>95851120
Yes, I went to a GW in Shanghai. Was fine.

>>95845842
>I really don't get why Chinese are so hyper sensitive when it comes to their culture and history
I remember a few years ago a Chinese journalist slapped someone at a Conservative Party Conference in the UK as a conference was discussing Hong Kong. There was a discussion at the time of a bunch of hugely performative Chinese meltdowns going viral on social media entirely for their home audience consumption. Chinese audiences saw it as a good thing as defending Chinese honour. Plays into the kind of citizens China wants via social credit.

CA, who made the TW Warhammer games got a lot of hate from some Chinese players when Three Kingdoms support dropped. Paradox, who make Hearts of Iron games got into hot water because some nation could core some Chinese territorty or something. Chinese gamers are hugely sensitive and stick together.

>CA, who made the TW Warhammer games got a lot of hate from some Chinese players when Three Kingdoms support dropped.
I'm not Chinese and I'm mad they gave 3K such little support

>>95852562
You can tell they had no model for DLC. They tried to copy Koei, not realizing why Koei start dates work.

>>95852562
Same desu

>>95851536
>>95851605
>>95851631

Chaos-inspired Samurai could be a good aesthetic. Not outright evil-aligned but very very edgy, as a warrior culture should be.

>>95845842
Most Chinese love stories about backstabbing, betrayal and excessive, institutional brutality. If you'd let them write shit freed of commie shackles, Cathay would probably come to sit somewhere between Chaos Marauders (representing cultivators and martial underworld) and Skavens (representing the central army and allied clan&tribal forces).

>>95845329
Being like 60% about crazy ass conflict between immortal brats running the empire, 30% about political fuckery, including the implications of magical bloodlines have for the nepotism levels.

>>95845179 (OP)
GW has always been a jewry corporation, and now that the old guard has left they can can do whatever they want for max profit.
I'm so happy I dropped them 15 years ago.
>>95845231
fpbb
>>95845842
>I really don't get why Chinese are so hyper sensitive when it comes to their culture and history being depicted in foreign or even in their native media?
Chinese people have no pride in being Chinese and their history, that's an illusion that they keep repeating to themselves, hoping that, if they lie enough, maybe one day it will become truth.
Any negative depiction of their history, no matter how accurate, or soft, undermine that, so they go apeshit, with the spite of 10000 years accumulated.

>>95862340
This is the cringiest fucking shit ever. Worst part is that I know there are people that actually think this.

>all the seethe created
I kneel Geedubs

I think Cathay has very generic and boring lore that doesn't fit the classic grim fantasy inspired by history that warhammer used to be. Here are some changes I came up with while taking a shit.
>no dragon children or emperor's, there's just ONE dragon that lives in heaven at the top of some cloudy mountain top that the yellow river flows from
>this dragon is extremely powerful and rules the heavens, controlling the weather and essentially all life in Cathay
>this dragon, heaven, is obsessed with his notion of balance and give heaven's mandate to whatever ruler manages to claim top dog
>the Cathayan emperors will rule with heaven's mandate which means good weather, harvests and the yellow river flows calmly
>in order to keep ruling with heaven's mandate they must ensure the people worship the dragon, spirits and the ancestors, some version of Confucianism and whatever big projects the dragon demands
>so if the emperor fails to ensure the people behave, level a mountain to ensure sunlight reaches a tree for balance™ and defend Cathayan values he loses the mandate and disasters strike Cathay
>plagues, famine and natural disasters etc
>this continues until the current dynasty is toppled and replaced
>the dragon is uninterested in the outside world and views Cathay as his own little garden, hindering technological advancement or societal progress that doesn't fit his "balance"
>all of Cathay is surrounded by a great wall to keep out anything that can disrupt his garden
>however chaos exists inside through cults and beastmen while a monkey man leads a popular uprising in the shadows against the mandate of heaven
>Cathay in the old world would be based on the Ming with a strong focus on gunpowder weaponry together with heavily armed cavalry
>fuck dynasty warriors and look at the brigantine armors used by the Ming
>gameplay would be focused on elite cavalry and rifle infantry with additions of terracotta warriors and monk warriors inspired by the classics

>>95845842
China is the Middle Kingdom, they’re used to thinking of themselves as the center of the world. European notions of being the center of the world happened to coincide with European liberals and nationalists trashing their medieval and early modern predecessors for being backwards, dysfunctional, and corrupt. The type of people who would take offense to how their society is portrayed would agree on the basis that this was what held them back from achieving greatness until the 18th-19th century, and the ones who would disagree with that notion have the maturity to separate fictional universes from the real world.

>>95863833
Pretty much every local empire imagined itself as the center of the world and the only place where civilized men dwelled.

>>95862981
>>the Cathayan emperors will rule with heaven's mandate which means good weather, harvests and the yellow river flows calmly
Probably until one Slann decides that it should be different...

>>95863914
The USA as well.

>>95864166
Who would win, an autistic frog or an autistic dragon?

>>95845179 (OP)
The Empire isn’t a shithole like in 40k. Most of then provinces have decent to good quality of life with only a couple being horrible places. Bretonnia is a shithole but even then Grail Knights would crush the average Cathayan soldier

>>95845329
They are servile to immortal dragon siblings who have petty rivalries with each other, some of whom are going insane. Yet without them in charge Cathay would fall to the unending chaos hordes beyond the Great Wall.

>>95845842
You would be sensitive too if you went from being one of the oldest and most powerful countries in history to being pieced up and subjugated by European powers and the Japanese. They spent 200 years as the global bitch and honestly, they still haven’t recovered their prestige. China is basically a factory and all their neighbors hate them enough to align with American Imperialism.

>>95845842
China simply cannot handle the banter

>>95864754
Their whole history is civil wars and ethnic minorities being subjugated, they just don't see it as that because they're assimilated and identify with the subjugators.

>>95845179 (OP)
I think that, similar to how most of the lore and fluff involving 'normal society' was mostly fleshed out in the novels and in the RPGs, Cathey is just being introduced and we've only seen it's upper crust and been given only a brief glimpst into the nation. Now that we've gotten Cathey, the gradual fleshing out of the margins of it's lore (regional differences, stuff to flesh out 'your dudes', how vampirism and chaos are handled by normal humans, the nuances of the forms of worship the Dragon Emperor does not want to receive receives), ect.

>>95845179 (OP)
>Statue's glaives protrude 2 m on each side
Can't the stupid fucks at GW make a single mini that stays inside its base anymore??

>>95845179 (OP)
But how does he feel about the sheer gains of the northmen?

>>95845842
It's an international rule that you shouldn't hurt their feelings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurting_the_feelings_of_the_Chinese_people

>>95845842
Don't forget GW portrayed their own country as a bunch of backwards bogliving druids and chaos beasts. Euros are generally more able to take the piss out of their own history.

>>95871095
>don't forget GW portrayed their own country accurately
Fixed that for you.

>>95871062
>hurting the feelings
This is so fucking funny.

>>95871240
Shut the fuck up you faggot. You think hurting the feelings of 1.4 billion people is funny?

>>95876555
>1.4 billion people
Reminder that they can't actually access the internet and they have moderation teams that will purge and hicup that's not in the state's interest. It's the government that allows you to hurt their feelings here.

>>95876555
Yeah, I do. Nobody gives a fuck about offending my countrymen and making fun of my neighbors. They mock us for reasonable shit and they mock us for blatant falsehoods. We're supposed to hold back to spare the fragility of a country commiting genocide and annexing it's neighbors? Get fucking real, Xiang

>>95845842
If Miao Ying's ass is flat that's -1000 social credit.
If she's ugly, that's -1000 social credit.
You will sculpt actually attractive women.

>>95864220
Nah. Americans don't conceive America as an empire because it doesn't exert direct control over vassal states; it's an economic, political, and martial bully that throws its weight around, but lacks overt control, unlike its master. On top of that, Americans are so insular and ignorant they don't really consider the world at large beyond a fleeting novelty. They aren't the center of the world, America is the world for them. Anything outside of the United States may as well not exist to their knowledge.

>>95878578
>commiting genocide and annexing it's neighbors
This part doesn't bother me. Now their complete disregard for life (animals, the environment, their own kin) is definitely unnerving. I know bugman is just another racial slur, but they really do act like a mindless swarm.

>>95879130
Well looks like gw is down by a couple thousand social credit points

>>95845179 (OP)
It looks pretty fuckin cool to me. they cold stand to be a little more wild, get a little more big trouble in little china, but they look more complete than many armies start.

the furthest east we've gotten armies previously was ogres, so it's nice to see another faction like that. justifying them being there while ignoring the other closer factions is strange tho.

This fucking social-credit chinese crap. This doesnt belong to TOW, is so Age of Zzzigmar with its DiVerSitY and shit. Fuck you GW, you ruined WHF and now TOW.

>>95884436
The tone of Cathay is clearly influenced to appeal to fragile Chinese egos. There is no diversity in the age of sigmar sense from what I can see however. If there was, half the soldiers would be black.

>>95851629
Does national pride necessarily equal having a bamboo up your ass?

>>95885233
>white western monkey is jealous of superior Cathayan bamboo

>>95885233
you've got it mixed up there, showing no national pride is what gets bamboo shoved up your arse courtesy of Mr Xi's friends.

>>95862768
>Chinese people have no pride in being Chinese and their history, that's an illusion that they keep repeating to themselves, hoping that, if they lie enough, maybe one day it will become truth.
Is this true? Doesn’t quite make sense to me because if they cared they would not give a shit and let gw do whatever. Instead gw got a sensitivity advisor or whatever it is called.

>>95885698
>Doesn’t quite make sense to me because if they cared they would not give a shit and let gw do whatever.
They WANT to be people with "10000 years of uninterrupted history" and feel proud of it, but if you look at previous and current China, there's nothing to be proud about.
Cruelty, corruption, pollution, war, poverty for the masses, evil triumphing good almost always, and this never stops.
So, any kind of criticism toward China, be his people, his government, his history, even fictional history, is an attack to their only source of pride.
>Instead gw got a sensitivity advisor or whatever it is called.
GW are notorious scummy jews, and they need that sweet chinese cash. Which they can't get if they're not allowed to operate in China (videogames like TWW are included in this).

>>95885698
Anon we are talking about country that banned Winnie-the-Pooh because someone made meme comparing their chairman to fucking teddy bear.
They are insecure as fuck about their past, they have nothing to be proud of and they know it.
GW got sensitivity advisors because china is big market and totalitarian shithole where you can go to prison for criticism of government.

>>95886360
Hold on...

Can we make memes about warhammer/cathai/space marines/GW and get Games workshop banned (or at least disliked) in China as well?

>>95845179 (OP)
What astoundingly boring models, they look like some random statuettes you found in a head shop, nothing wrong with that in itself but their bases are retarded and for such huge models to be painted so poorly, literally what the fuck were they thinking? And those balloon things are just the same, lie some weird garden ornament that has been converted.

How are you supposed to store or transport this shit?

>>95851628
>Bretonnia... is honestly just as bad since they are being controlled by Wood Elves in secret
No they aren't zoom-zoom, zoom away back to youtube

>>95862981
Anon that is so fucking boring I was literally nodding off halfway through, you should apply for a job with GW, you'd fit right in