Why didn't she just kill Archaon and stop the End Times?

Archaon is just built different

Why would anyone want to stop the endtimes?

Has games workshop ever made a good dragon model, seems like their weakspot.

>>95847984
I think this is a pretty good dragon model. I think the edgy stormcast guy and the recent zombie dragon are also pretty good.

>>95847962 (OP)
The only man who can stop Archaon is Grimgor Ironhide.

>>95847984
They've gotten a lot better at it, though the old skinny ones have a kinda goofy charm to them. They remind me of the dragons on medieval heraldry if you made them real creatures.

Nuke China and nuke fantasy China.

because the corpos didnt want her to, so the writers followed suit

>>95848049
I feel this one kinda works because it is ultimately a noodle dragon like the kind they've been making for years, but they actually have the technology to make it looks semi-decent now.

>>95847962 (OP)
>Why didn't she just kill Archaon and stop the End Times?
The Cathay Communist Party wanted the Old World to fall.

>>95847962 (OP)
Archaon already killed her brother before even becoming Everchosen.

>>95847962 (OP)
God my concubine is so beautiful

>>95847962 (OP)
Too busy getting powed by some peasant.
She's a deity to these people, they're not gonna hold it against her.

>>95847962 (OP)
She's a femoid, and therefore not strong enough to handle Archaon.

>>95847962 (OP)
Taking "tactical rocks" to a whole new level lmao

>>95847984
If you have $700 then yes.

>>95848501
>resin

>>95847984
>FW Carmine Dragon
>Not the best dragon model ever made

Oldhammer snake-dragons are based as well.

>>95848501
That's a Wyvern, you absolute buffoon

>>95848605
>Not the best dragon model ever made
That doesn't even break the top 50 of Wargaming scale dragon models available.

>>95848667
You should be shot like a dog for adhering to this retarded debate

>>95848667
Nice hyponymy nerd, do you typify trees by counting the limbs too?

>>95847984
Very early on, yes.

>>95848667
stfu
That is a dragon.

>>95849081
>4 limbs
Nah it's clearly a Wyvern

>>95848667
What retard was it who started this "2 legs and wings = not a dragon" idiocy?

>>95849060
It's like an obese cat.

>>95847962 (OP)
Didn't Grimgor's Waaagh knock the entire Cathay empire over? Kind of hard to do anything when you're dead

>>95849060
Anon you can not look me the in the eyes and tell me that is a good dragon model.

>>95849442
Not really. Grimgor came, left, his waaagh!!! was defeated, and the dragons put all of China on boats where they to this day still sail on the ocean until GW decides to do something with them.
Likely they all then died when the world blew up but GW has pulled worse out of their ass.

>>95849529
It's incredible how every new detail I learn about the End Times just makes it worse and worse

>>95849540
I mean, Araby was wiped out in like a sentence because while the Skaven couldn't defeat them they just poisoned their water and that did it instantly.
Just don't worry about it, it's all bushit to rush out more space marines onto shelves.

>>95849429
Rude.
He's a handsome 80's dragon.
>>95849494
I can and I will.
The Imperial Dragon *is* a good-looking dragon model.

>>95848242
pedophile tranny

>>95849429
>What retard was it who started this "2 legs and wings = not a dragon" idiocy?

>What retard was it who started this "4 legs and a tail = Not a horse" Idiocy ?

Just because they look alike, does not mean they are anywhere near close to the same species.

Picrel, only one of them is a crab and they have basically 100 million years of diverging dna.

>>95848815
>>95848851
>>95849081
>>95849429

Samefagging will not make you right, nig.
1) that's an absolutely huge difference
2) just continue to suck wyvern dick and be wrong.

>>95849563
I think the funniest thing about the end times is how the Skaven are complete MVPs picking up dub after dub for Chaos, they're on the winning team, going into AoS the Great Horned Rat is promoted to one of the big four and Skaven are stated to be the only race that can get around the realms without realmgates by using dimensional gnawholes, set up to be this definitive archfaction, and then they get no new models, Archaeon bitchslaps the GHR, Slaanesh comes back and rats proceed to shit themselves and do nothing for the duration.

>>95849744
>meanwhile, actual dragons from myth

>>95849734
>>95849744
>dodges the question
Interesting. Why are wyvernfags so defensive about their faux taxonomy?

>>95849744
BEHOLD, A DRAGON

>>95849791
It works in monster hunter, but this ain't Japanese CoD.
Even then horses and whales are dragons in it.

>>95849812
Monster hunter is for queers, no wonder it's patient zero for wyvernfag AIDS.

>>95849744
Anon dragons are made up creatures and had so many forms it's hard to count. Oversized snakes, big flying snakes from china, lizzards, 2 legs 2 wings, 4 legs 2 wings.
It's all made up. If creator of setting say it's a dragon then it is dragon.

>>95848552
Resin (or metal) is the best and most based material because it filters hobbylets who just want to slap a netlisted army together and go to ITC events

>>95847984
One of the best dragons in business, and the cave drake is pretty snazzy as well.

>>95849762
>Archaeon bitchslaps the GHR

He got one shotted by Grimgor, who then declared him not even worth killing by fucking off to go find someone more fun to fight. Archaon is a little bitch.

>>95850456
Grimgor headbutted Archaon and destroyed Eye relic, then Archaon activated his sword for buffs and murdered Grimgor.
I know End Times are bad, but if you are going to argue about them at least get your facts straight.

Grimgor killed Archaon in the Storm of Chaos campaign, which to me is the good ending

>>95850695
No he did not. Archaon retreated alive. Also Grimgor lost duel to Archaon's second in command. Valten died and Volkmar was killed but later ressurected.
Storm of Chaos narrative continued in 7th ed of WHF and 7th ed was after Storm concluded. Archaon was very much alive.

>>95848815
He is correct you subhuman nigger.
Even Tolkien himself specified dragons have 6 limbs (not that authors word matters much, reptile with only 2 land locmotion limbs and 2 wings is by definition a wyvern).
>>95849734
Good enough picrel, would be better if one adds a few hermit crabs and stone crabs and their barely related lookalikes (tho one of rodents, nightshades, roses or any branch of neoaves/modern birds as it would make it even clearer). Mostly because, despite their (potential) mutation rate, a bulk of crabs dont change that much genetically nor in expressed pairs.

>>95850828
Nah, wrong.

>>95849762
>>95850456
>>95850319
It's hilarious that even by the rock botto low standards of Warham writing, the End Times is somehow worse.

>>95850828
Now the Storm of Chaos was no better.
>archaon gets smacked down and is surrounded by all the empire, bret, dwarf, and orc heroes
>he somehow waddles away to safety
>he then gets surrounded again by all the empire, bret, dwarf, and vampire heroes
>he again just walks off to safety

>>95849598
It looks like someone made a model based on a child draws a dragon

>>95847984
Yeah the old elf ones were dogshit

>>95851065

>>95851111

>>95848815
>debate
Gee, anon, it's not like there's an entire Western heraldic tradition that portrayed wyverns with 2 legs and dragons with 4 or something.

>>95850902
Storm of chaos was dumb because they wrote a event where the players input mattered but didn't account for the possibility that Chaos lost.

>>95851111
>>95851122
What are these Dreamworks bootlegs?

>>95851157
You mean the same one where Wyverns are dragons and knights are used in shitposts losing to hares and snails?

>>95851206
No, that's bestiaries, they could write/draw any shit in it they wanted. Same with chronicles. If a Local Lord was generous to the monastery then the monk who wrote the chronicle about him would definitely say that Local Lord resurrected 3 people a week before he died or somesuch. Please read at least one book, anon.

>>95851157
You mean like >>95849805 Where St. George is slaying a DRAGON with two legs and wings, you retarded mouthbreather?
All western tradition will show you is nobody could agree what a dragon actually was.

>>95851157
>an entire Western heraldic tradition that portrayed wyverns with 2 legs and dragons with 4 or something
You mean british? Because continental europe have all kinds of stuff portraying Dragon. also Wyvern is considered type of dragon.

>>95851229
>All western tradition will show you is nobody could agree what a dragon actually was.
I guess fact that dragons are made up creatures that usually are bad, and most of the time are reptilian with wings, doesn't help.
D&D and its consequences have been a disaster for the fantasy genre.

>>95851157
>western heraldry has some clear distinction between dragons and wyverns
You are actually retarded. The distinction between dragons and wyverns didn’t even appear till the 17th century and the only people who made the distinction were those godless demons living in the British Isles. It is literally anglo autism. Nobody else has ever given a shit and certainly did not give a shit for the entire Medieval period.

>>95849429
>What retard was it who started this "2 legs and wings = not a dragon" idiocy?
it's some very specific british heraldic shit that made it into the monster manual and is now one of those popular little factoids/corrections autistic retards love to post as an alternative to developing a personality and having something interesting to write

>>95851229
Believe it or not painters in the past made mistakes too

>>95851238
>>95851267
Educated gents, though it may have started to be important by the 16th century

>>95848667
>>95851157
Gee, Anon, it's not like that same Western heraldic tradition you're invoking as evidence against wyverns being dragons didn't define a wyvern as a two-legged dragon.

>Wyvern or Wivern.—A monster of the dragon order
>Heraldry, Ancient and Modern, S. T. Aveling, 1890

The Western heraldic tradition mostly calls the two-legged dragon a dragon with only British heralds using wyvern to blazon a two-legged dragon. Even then, as pic related shows, it's use was inconsistent.

Before you start thinking
>That blazon at bottom left says wyvern not dragon so you've proved yourself wrong
that would be to ignore several facts.
The three other two-legged dragons blazoned as dragons which proves that two-legged dragons are called dragons.
In English heraldry, as quoted, wyverns are dragons, just a subtype of dragon with its own name.
The entire principle of canting arms.
Blazon of English arms directly calling wyverns dragons.

In case you are not familiar with canting arms, and even if you are others reading this may not, that coat of arms is a play on words. It is the arms of the family of Drake of Ashe. Drake means dragon. The herald who granted those arms used a wyvern on the understanding that intelligent people would understand that a two-legged dragon is a dragon.

So much so is it a dragon that it is called a dragon in a manuscript of the College of Arms dated prior to the end of June 1581. Sir Francis Drake claimed kinship with the Drakes of Ashe to the point that he used, wrongly according to both the heralds and the head of the Drake family who punched Francis in court possibly in front of Elizabeth herself, their arms blazoned
>Argent, a wyver dragon gewels
In contemporary spelling
>Agent, a wyvern dragon gules
Of late it may be just wyvern and people now say it is different, but wyvern has been understood as dragon for a long, long time.

>>95850902
>>95851167
Because chaos never truly loses, because they're geedubs favorite faction internally. Hence why if they're ever beaten they just exit the scene without a trace and wait for the writers to retcon it into a victory later.

It's especially funny considering the unholy amount of chaos wanking back around the Storm of Chaos. In both fluff and models chaos was getting fapped like there was no tomorrow, down to them changing the tourney in real time to try to give chaos players an edge, but they STILL lost and the writers were pissed.

>>95852364
I really have to wonder why, considering they've done nothing really interesting with any of the Chaos Gods or like 50% of their champions for decades

>>95849734
>Picrel, only one of them is a crab
That is an absolutely terrible argument because all of those crabs are identified in the image's source as porcelain crabs. Either they're all crabs or none of them are crabs so your "one of them is a crab" line is wrong and a lie. You've also strayed into
>but muh modern taxonomy says they're not crabs
territory. That's a joke when common speech calls them crabs and wyverns don't have a modern taxonomy based on DNA or fossil record because they're not fucking real.

>>95852385
From what I've read it mostly goes back to Brian Ansell. He more or less enforced Chaos as being the "focus faction" because they were his personal favorite, to the point he didn't allow anyone else but him to design its fluff/models for awhile. Maybe it's just the edgelord factor Chaos has. Either way, they're by far the most boring faction there is. Everything about the gods and champions is generic as shit and never written creatively or cleverly. They are as run of the mill Big Bad Evil Faction as you can get.

>>95851167
>>95852364
From experience, people that prefer the comfort of their own misrememberings are going to be mad at me for even writing this, but it was fairly clearly communicated that the Storm of Chaos campaign was on rails and that the Siege of Middenheim was always going to happen at the campaign's finale. What the good Order performance guaranteed was the poor condition of the Chaos forces when they got to the final battle.

I shouldn't have to write this but I suspect I do, my post is NOT an endorsement of the shitty campaign's end writeup which was a poor attempt to reflect the results, include all the factions in the finale, and keep everyone happy.

>>95852364
This post in particular is utter post-truth bullshit.
>Hence why if they're ever beaten they just exit the scene without a trace and wait for the writers to retcon it into a victory later.
4th ed 40k actually shifted the timeline back before EoT so they could ignore the implications of the results, which was a Chaos victory.
>down to them changing the tourney in real time to try to give chaos players an edge, but they STILL lost and the writers were pissed.
Crock of shit. If I were GW and I wanted to throw a narrative campaign I'd just fake wins for the faction. The thing about false conspiracy "theories" is they almost always rely on the people supposed to be committing these acts being more stupid than the person coming up with the conspiracy, who are usually fucking retarded.

>>95847962 (OP)
Miao Ying and her siblings were not enough to hold back the tides of Chaos during the End Times, never mind Grimgor Ironhide and his invasion of Cathay. The Dragon Emperor and his forces sailed away, never to be heard from again.

That's one of the few bits of canon we got.

With all the lore invested and built up into Cathay for Total Warhammer 3, it is inconceivable that GW would never touch them again and just kill them off. GW seemed definitly set on making tabletop models for them, but it could have gone one of two directions:

A: Cathay is a faction for The Old World, fully fleshed out

B: Cathay is a faction for Age of Sigmar, fully fleshed out

The Dragon Emperor of Cathay definitly, 100% survived the destruction of the old world, there's a big chance he's actually the dragon-god-father-primogenetor Dracothian. And/or mabye Sotek.

So let's say the launch of The Old World flopped, or it flops some time in the future.

Well bam, there you go! Lore explanation for porting Cathay to Age of Sigmar.

>>95850840
>Even Tolkien himself specified dragons have 6 limbs
Not really. Glaurung was a worm dragon with no wings and the "father of the dragons" which came later

>>95849429
>What retard was it who started this "2 legs and wings = not a dragon" idiocy?
people of the Middle Ages started this.

>>95853680
>17th century
>middle ages

>>95847962 (OP)
Because GW would no longer be able to squat the Old World, in a feeble attempt to force grogs to dump the armies they already owned and buy new (Age of Sigmar) ones.

>>95849429
Gygax. DnD drones arnt used to thinking for themselves or looking at other earlier sources, so take the monster manual as fact.

>>95852437
Chaos are basically the focus of the Old world because they are the only somewhat unique element they can actually sell. I mean, Moorcock would disagree obviously. But basically everything else is either historical coded or generic fantasy. GW lost interest in the former when people like the perry twins left to go make 9 million Napoleonic figures, and they lost interest in the latter when they realized they actually had to copyright everything.

>>95852364
It's dumb. Especially for a event that is supposed to be about player choice. The End Times was shit as well, but at least it didn't pretend player input mattered.

>>95853784
>It's dumb. Especially for a event that is supposed to be about player choice.
Did Chaos win? No. Players decided Middenheim shouldn't fall and so it didn't.

>>95847962 (OP)
why are you bitching about this and not celebrating the addition of a new faction to AoS

>>95856778

>>95851111
Reminder that draconith are actual sentient people, that stormcast is riding on a guy.

>>95854059
>Did Chaos win? No.
It also didn't really lose. All with all warhammer loreslop, the focus was entirely on how fucked the empire was and how much it was devastated and how archaon got away and how chaos is totally gonna win any day now. Never even the slightest mention of how the bumfuck nowhere arctic lands should've been depopulated ten times over by their losses, just wanking off to the misery and destruction of the good guys.
>chaos wins: chaos won!
>chaos loses: chaos won!
>stalemate: chaos won!
goes the dogshit writing.

>>95857088
Real reminder is that all Draconiths except the two princess have hatched recently within the overarchign story and judging by how much smaller the "Stormdrakes" are than Krondys/Karazai it's safe to assume they haven't reached their specie's maturity yet.

In short, that Stormcast is riding a child

>>95849060
That dragon is fat.