Parry this you filthy casual edition

Previous Heresy: >>95857866

>HH 3.0 Leaks
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>New Edition Soon™
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>New to The Horus Heresy? Here’s Everything You’ll Need to Get Started
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>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
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>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
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>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics
>HH1 Black Books
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>HH2 Rules and Supplements
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『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Adeptus Titanicus Rules and Supplements
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>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
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>More lists
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>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

>Thread question:
How over is it for your army?

>>95862951 (OP)
>TQ
How would I know when I don't even know how they're changing the various units?

>TQ
make decurions or masters of armour command slots or I swear to fucking god

How far do units move when they fall back from combat/when route, 2d6?

>>95862965
Hasn't been in the leeks, hopefully leaker anon will return to us soon.

>How over is it for your army?
It has never been more over, all this new shit is scary and intimidating to the point I do not even want to read it. Might as well kill myself rather than see the game I love raped to death

>>95862951 (OP)
>How over is it for your army?
Got over 14k points of units to build armies with, I'm sure it will be just fine.

>>95862910
Me
Warhound was like barely 2 rolls of filament, deliberate used silver and gold
Warbringer was 5 rolls, and already primed in black
If I can do it on my Bambulab A1 mini, then anyone can too

>>95862972
Guess anon's army:

Solar auxilla?

>>95862987
Daemons

>>95862505
Tactical support squads are gone now, aren't they? It's not veterans with special weapons in the limited apex detachment, aren't they...

>>95862983
How dare you post this abomination again?

>>95862951 (OP)
I liked dropping jump pack units in, so pretty damn over.

>>95862992
Well at least you can always move to another game...

>>95862994
Because fuck you, I love my Lucius Warbringer

>>95862993
Tactical Supports and heavy supports were confirmed in the Force Org article

>>95862987
Oh, I don't play. Could you imagine?

Let's mog primarchs.

>>95862951 (OP)
>Parry this
>WS 4
Ok

>>95863023
Primaris are no longer the bigger kids on the block, we run this shit now. I call this era The Moggening.

>>95863023
>6'0" vs 5'11"
primarchlets might as well kill themselves now

>>95863023
Knees and torso are the exact same height, this is just a man on splits trying to look a 6'6" guy in the face.

>>95863004
If you did, you would paint him.

Can all the anons doing math on how easy it is to kill knights with Meltas just post the complete rules they clearly have to do the math? Stop holding out on us James Workshopman

>>95863023
>>95863032
Now do the saturnine dread

>>95863049
I will, but my airbrush broke... So I can't do it now

can anyone tell me when would shartshields, in HH2, take this oath outside of narrative reasons? to me every single option looks like a downgrade except for destroyers who just might get some decent dakka with autorifle/lasgun against, surprise surprise, militia.

>>95862951 (OP)
My faction?
Mech are probably fucked, because the clowns who wrote the 2.0 book will have written the 3.0 book. And the nose still honks

*My* army?
What do you mean? You think I'm going to play this garbage? Lmao.

>>95863070
Oh no no no

>>95863091
You wouldnt.

>>95863080
--_--

>>95863091
6 shots at 12" range S3 is better than 1/2 shots at 24"/12" S4

What are the chances that GW adds units that came out in the supplements to the Libers?
I want to keep running my Legion Optae and Veteran retinue in drop pod. Will be sad if it goes.

>>95862983
For the printing how do you know the exact sizes for each part? any astartes bit I print comes out a little too big, I'm using anycube Photon Mono 4k & the stls I'm using is from AQUILON from cults i just trying to get more chests & legs.

>>95863095
>>95862972

Good riddance, now gtfo of this based HH3 General.

>>95863023
The problem with Saturnine not being released until 3rd edition is that I think Perturabo would totally be wearing it had it been released in 1.0.
By the time he had to get Angron he had a carapace launcher, weapon pods and such.

>>95863130
Those models look sweet.

Been wondering that as well, hopefully there won't be a long wait for the rules of units that weren't in the liber. Wanna keep using my Effrit squad.

>>95863130
I dont think theyre very high, but who knows.

>>95863140
Just wait until they get go his new model

Just give me Javelins in plastic you fucks.

We're in an era where normies are buying labubu for $200,
FF MTG Collectors pack are literally flying of every single shelves and none of them are below $800,
People routinely buy big lego sets for $500-$1000

And we still don't have a $1K Plastic titan to spend money on.

Why is our hobby less expensive than fucking LEGO and fucking MTG now ? GW need to get the crown back and sell us a plastic titan.

>Titanicus location targeting with full sized titans
fucking lol.
They're gonna be way more expensive now that they're not just massive tanks though. And BS3? There's gotta be some serious modifiers going on with their guns. Or maybe you get bonuses depending on how the head unit is faring. Boy these are fun and intricate rules for something that'll never get used.

>>95863164
People keep saying it will never get used, but this edition is really pushing to the 10K points game very evidently.

>>95863162
>GW sneeds to increase their prices.

>>95863067
>BS4
10 Meltas (or Multi-meltas) do 6.6 hits
>S8 vs AV13
6.6 hits do 4.81 Pens at half range
>5++ ion shield
4.81 Pens become 3.21 Unsaved Pens
At half range, 3.21 times 6D is 19.25, which kills the Knight almost twice over

Does melta really roll two dice, though? I heard Armourbane became "Glances count as Pens" instead. If that was the case, then it would be 2.2 pens instead, becoming 1.48 unsaved pens times 6 = 8.88 hull points

>>95863023
primarchs already had to kneel down to enter any part of a spaceship that was not specifically built for a primarch (fulgrim had his entire main area made primarch-height so he wouldnt need to kneel)

And this gaylord design with that shit on his back is like 5 feet taller than a primarch. It would be entirely worthless in a navy (which is what space MARINES were made for)

>>95863164
Aren't most Titan weapons blasts?

>>95863188
Mega-bolter isn't. Yet.

>>95862972
>Being this insecure over rules changes
fucking kek

>>95863162
True. Lego Released 19 sets at or above $500 in the last 6 years.
Many work normies I know buy at least 1 or 2 of them a year.

the most expensive plastic GW set are not even above $200. Such a shame.

>>95863186
I imagine saturine dreadnoughts, like all dreadnoughts, have their own special hanger and chambers that they stick to until they need to deploy

>>95863132
>actually looking forward to nu-slop
consoomer drone

>>95863184
Armourbane no longer gives 2D6 on penetration rolls.
If ion shields don't change then Knights will have a 4+ invulnerable in the front arc too - and knight now only have a front and rear arc.

>>95863213
Just enjoy not ever playing this game ever and leave.

>>95863131
Well, I just trust the maker of the files lol
Don't trust random people who only put out free files
Join telegram groups and such
But I also tend to look up dimensions of the real thing to make sure it's correct and then appropriately scale

>>95863130
I hope so, at least the Consuls & Inductii should hopefully be in the core liners.

>>95863241
Libers* Phoneposting.

>>95862951 (OP)
>Knights still on WS4
Dead on arrival. Still getting ripped apart by dreadnoughts. Still only killing three tactical marines per phase.

>>95863130
Hard to say. I have my Deliverers on my desk in queue behind my Mor Deythan. I'm sure these units will get rules somehow. Just a mater of when.

>>95863252
especially now that instadeath is gone from the game. They'll probably give it some anti-terminator weapon with only 4 attacks, 2 hits, maybe kill 1 terminator a turn - and some weapon with 2x attack multiplier, that is like dmg1 and can only kill 1 terminator a turn because strength 8 means nothing at all now.

>>95863164
>There's gotta be some serious modifiers going on with their guns. Or maybe you get bonuses depending on how the head unit is faring
It might be the case that their damage is a lot lower due to their durability.

>>95863091
I houseruled it and the Xeno one to be standard for all Blackshields, we played a campaign with seven players that way and the Blackshields guy never felt OP.

>>95863252
Imagine hitting a Master Sargent Tactical marine on a 5+ with a colossal chain sword?

Titanic should just have flat hit rolls for other non-titanic walker/monsters.

>>95863023
I'm kinda tempted to turn the Saturnine Praetor into a Lord of Contagion in 40K.

>>95863287
Stomp attacks should work like in WHFB, and just be X automatic hits vs sufficiently small things (infantry, cavalry)

>>95863175
That's entirely up to how homosexual your group chooses to be. Right now, this edition is shaping up to be the best for lower point value games the system has ever been - I might even play the regular game instead of just ZM for the first time in years. Minimum point values for Primarchs, no more squadrons of vehicles and dreads, everything seemingly a bit less swingy in terms of TTK, all they have to do is make "big stuff" like knights & flyers suitably expensive or also put a minimum value on them and it should be possible to play the game at 1-2k without it becoming a complete fucking clownshow.

If your group's reaction to that possibility is
>WAAAAH BUT I WANNA USE MY TITAN NOW WE HAVE TO PLAY AT 10K WAAAH
the problem begins with Y and ends with ou.

>>95863252
Has everybody already forgotten that melee weapons have an attack modifier stat now? Or that in 2.0 knights relied on their stomp attacks anyway, which were in addition to their base attacks?

>>95863316
Anon the attack modifier stat is for number of attacks. Not WS

>>95863219
Oooh. It's 6.6 hull points then (and no Status effects) at 12".
Meltas were said to be the best thing this edition, but I'm also seeing they can't delete a knight in one go...
...is this what Balance looks like? Unironically a new feeling.

>>95863327
Just saying we don't have the full picture yet. For all we know stomp attacks might become blasts again, making WS irrelevant.

>>95863343
Im not disagreeing with that, just saying that the AM does not alter their ws4.

>>95863252
Depends on the WS table this edition

>>95863287
I imagine it's more the marines moving out of the way of the relatively slower giant sword than then parrying it

>>95863355
It's unchanged, we know this.
Stop being an idiot.

>>95863364
I have not seen it and if you have the leak post it, or ur the idiot.

>>95863360
>Iron Hands Master sergeant vs traitor Questoris, colorized

>>95862993
Flying veterans are in.

>>95863380
Leakeranon said in one of the first posts it is unchanged.

>>95863130
I worry for the blackshields and shattered legion players, or the pdf army players.
May very well end up in a situation where we will have to wait several years for them to release an update, if last edition was anything to go by.
Dark mech will likely get fucked over too, there shouldn't be any reason as to why they can't release their rules in the mech liber but since it's GW we are talking about they may just drop them as a campaign book years from now.

>>95863390
but what if he's lying?

>>95863390
No proof, you are idiot. People lie.

>>95863252
>Still only killing three tactical marines per phase.
Another anon who didn't actually read the rules in 2.0
Many such cases

>>95863381
>New kitbash idea aquired

>>95863381
>Smashfucker is on the field!
>phonk version of Rules of Nature begins to play

Reminder not to feed the eGimps furiously jacking off to you calling them retards.

What's the best blue for HH Ultramarines?

>>95863543
> Screen shots his OWN POST
> Desperately wants his faggot catch phrase to catch on
Quit trying to make this happen.
It's not going to happen.

>>95863567
>rent free

>>95863409
He's lying about the WS chart, but not about anything else? Why?

>>95863544
Mephiston red

>>95863576
people lie constantly

>>95862983
Lucius-pattern, my beloved . . .

>>95863337
they went from +d6 strength to +1 strength. That's not balance, that's entirely neutering meltas to complete uselessness outside of rare exceptions.

A melta tossed onto a terminator squad appearing 1" away with zero scatter is some compensation for how they butchered meltas.

A melta as a gun inside of a tactical squad? Entirely useless forever now. Short range, does exactly nothing outside of point blank, and does almost nothing point blank.

>>95863403
I think there's a lot of unnecessary doom and gloom for an edition that's getting four libers (Marines, Solar Aux, Mech, Knights) on launch. Blackshields, Shattered Legions, and Militia will probably get released at the same time as Custodes/Talons and Daemons/Agents

>>95863607
>Melta fails to do anything 2/3 of the time, even within half range
Ah well, anons desperately wanted vehicles to be more resilient. Wish granted! LOL
It's the same fuckers who wished for Instant Death to be gone, and what they achieved was that power fists are no longer the equalizers against elite & HQ marines.
A power fist needed to be lucky just once. Now they need to be lucky every time, in multiples of 2.

>>95863628
Where did they say Solar Auxilia are getting their own liber?
I thought the were going to share with Custodes and SoS like last edition?

>>95863607
Meltas are fine you dimwit, 5 of them still demolish a Predator's front armor within melta range.

>>95863628
>Blackshields, Shattered Legions, and Militia will probably get released at the same time as Custodes/Talons and Daemons/Agents
With this bundle you aren't speeding up Blackshield & Militia rules. You are merely slowing Custodes rules down to Blackshield release speed.

>>95863588
>>95863544
And abbadon black.

Oh and another thing I like to do for my ultramarines is paint a book ( the codex astartes) on their shoulder and start inscribing little squiggles on the armor the words of robutte gulliman

>>95863646

>>95863596
Interesting theory. Except that we have proof he didn't lie several times, which disproves your theory.

>>95863650
Nobody has a problem with destroying middle-tier vehicles like Predators and Sicarans.
It's AV14 Land Raiders what causes concern. Guess that investment is [PROTECTED]

>>95863628
I would just like all the armies to be playable at launch, 2.0 and the way GW normally churns out editions has just taught me that you won't be able to play certain armies until several years after the new edition launches.

>>95863662
Thanks, had forgotten that.

>>95863664
he proved it by showing images, therefore any claim not backed up by an image is a lie.

>>95863662
Wonder If knights and Mechanicum being split implies they are getting units or at the very least stuff from campaign/examplary battles..
Well not that I think about,they definitely are, as Martian civil war added radiation version of Krios and that version immediately got a plastic kit.
Fingers crossed examplary battles units were all added into libers

>>95863668
Oh no, you're only doing ~6 out of its likely 8-9 hullpoints with a 10 man tactical support squad and inflicting a status in the process. Whatever will we do.

>>95863680
Who knows, maybe they even added the legacy units back.

>>95863679
But that would mean any time he showed images he wasn't lying, which contradicts your claim that people lie constantly. So leakanon has told no lies we can prove, and you're sitting on 1.

>>95863360
It's not slower; it's just larger so the perception at a distance is that it is moving slowly. In actuality that chainsword is moving quite fast. You might have a chance driving prone of the knight doesn't want to risk raking the ground.

>>95863694
You are actually doing 0 HP and a single status effect with 10 TSS at 12". At 6" you'll be doing 6HP and 0 status effects. And getting auto-charged by the disembarking guys, probably.
In 2.0 you would've done some 5 pens, one of them an Explodes.

>>95863725
>>95863679
But my brothers.... neither of you have posted a single image the entire time you've argued

>>95863662
I thought saturine armor was loyalist only since vulkan made it. Why do iron warriors have it?

>>95863725
clearly hiding behind cherrypicked truths to mask his lies more effectively. do not trust the snake

>>95863759
exactly

>>95863776
Vulcan was naive and gave it to everyone, even the Rampaging retards and baby eaters everyone though would get purged any day now

>>95863776
If only there were numerous articles and videos mad by GW that explains it.

>>95863776
Same way as everything else: Espionage and looting.

>>95863778
>clearly hiding behind cherrypicked truths
Which contradicts your assertion people lie constantly.

>>95863799
If only
>>95863797
>>95863801
Wait so his whole excuse of not using them during the DSM because he can't risk them falling into the wrong hands....it was bullshit because the traitors are just going to get them anyway?

>>95863838
US was scared of anyone else getting nukes and then everyone else got them anyway. The Saturnine technology was already in use during the Unification Wars, so it wasn't something completely new, and if all Vulcan did was tweak the design, traitors would also just have to figure out what he did and repeat it or do their own version of the same tweaks.

>>95863837
Lying constantly =/= only lying,
People lie constantly, but most will still say the sky is blue unless there is a benefit to claiming otherwise.
Clearly you must benefit somehow from misconstruing my point, you disgusting lying animal.

>>95863866
>Lying constantly =/= only lying,
Pretty much any dictionary you pick up will list constantly as meaning always. You may be using the word incorrectly, but that's not my problem, it's yours.

>>95863859
Oh so vulkan didn't make saturine armor, the emperor did, vulkan is just a hack who modified it a little and everyone gives him credit for it?

>>95862951 (OP)
>TQ
It's never over, my Word Bearers are going back to 1st edition, where they belong.

>>95863890
>being this disingenuous

>>95863838
The hell are you on about the trailer literally shows them getting deployed during the dropsite massacre.

>>95863252
The most common dreadnought load out did between 1-2 hull points on average to a knight in melee
Meanwhile all cerastus knights do 4-5 back on average l
Neither dreadnoughts nor knights ws4 were the thing that made knights unplayable

>>95863900
E-money wasn't involved with it at all, the initial suits are from enclaves of saturn, hence the name.

I hope 3rd gets rid of the allies matrix. From a narrative and gameplay perspective it sucks that yourdudes team up better or worse depending on some arbitrary decisions. Especially since there were plenty of bonds formed that ran counter to the disposition of the legions as a whole. You should just be able to pick the level of allegiance with each ally and get other benefits or penalties to offset it.

>>95863929
Well, Oxford, Cambridge, Merriam-Webster, google, and more entries than I care to list agree it means always. No idea where you're looking.

>>95863945
>from enclaves of saturn
Can't wait for SA to not get them, because of reasons. Just like how elite void troopers got a shitty civilian shuttle as their transport, no access to assault claws used by even the Imperial Navy, and bringing long laser weapons, rather than something more suited for boarding action.

I am wondering what will happen with Rites of War honestly, the FO chart seems to be buffing a lot already and I can imagine they will just give you the option to change the FO buffs to legion specific ones and thats kinda sad

I also have no idea how Tanks are going to fare, given that melta has been gutted and lascannon spam seems to be more alluring now

But I wouldn't call it over yet, the new rules seem... weird? But I will hold out till i see the legion traits and how they affect army building

>>95863949
I hope 3rd edition makes the allies matrix more restrictive. From a narrative and gameplay perspective it sucks that half of these legions would ever consider working together under any circumstances with no real downside because of some arbitrary decisions. Especially because despite some bonds formed between individuals 99% of legion hatred ran so deep that it was one step away from shoot on site between many supposed allies. GW should make every legion have at least 5 by the emperor/warmasters demand tier "allies" each and you should be rewarded for not even thinking of pairing the two.

>>95863992
Restrictions might stop someone buying a second army. It's a no from GW.

>>95863991
A melta gun still strips more hp on average than a lascannon, even against a land raider. Lascannons are still great because of range, but they’re not gonna out damage a melta gun on average

>>95863949
>You should just be able to pick the level of allegiance with each ally and get other benefits or penalties to offset it.
OC allegiance chart would be nice. But if it is your choice, what would keep you from simply being Sworn Brothers with whatever force you just happened to be next to?

>>95863991
>melta has been gutted
I disagree a whole lot. Melta, especially on units that can position properly, will be absolutely brutal.

>>95863994
Is taht actually something that some people who paint their marines as an official legions instead of /yourdudes/ do ?

>>95863991
>I am wondering what will happen with Rites of War honestly
Possibly gone, maybe theyre just alterations to the new system ("to select this rite of war you must have a forgebreaker consul in a prime slot"/"if you take this RoW you cant take X detachment, but Y detachment provides X slots instead")

>>95864025
Pretty sure we're getting legion specific detachments, they might be tied into the RoWs or even replace them.

>>95863968
that first image is cambridge org, merriam webster lists it as a synonym, and as far as I can see oxford only lists it as "always, continously, always" before asking me to subscribe....
Honestly, now I'm more annoyed at the gall of a dictionary to ask for subscriptions.

>>95864064
Doesn't Oxford take shit-tons of money from the richest kids in the world for their education? The fuck do they need a subscription for?

>>95863949
The allied matrix has always beenfucking retarded

>>95864077
>why does corporation who has more money they could ever spend need more money
Do you even capitalism man

>>95864077
gotta milk all the avenues, taking donors, taking subscribers, selling the subscribers data to all the bidders.

>>95862993
they've literally got their own Tactical Support Detachment and don't have to take separate detachments to get Transports

>>95863977
I'm fairly certain saturnine pilots are nuggeted, so they can fit. Other than that, marines getting all tthe good toys while the regulars get the scraps is part of the whole grimdark deal.

>>95864009
>what would keep you from simply being Sworn Brothers
The aforementioned penalties to offset it.

>>95863992
>sucks that half of these legions would ever consider working together under any circumstances
It's bizarre that two of the three loyalist legions from Isstvan V are sworn brothers with the EC. You'd think they'd have rethought that relationship.

Ultimately there shouldn't really be levels of allegiance. You can make up your own fluff for your army, but it doesn't need to impact the rules. Marines shouldn't ever be joined by and taking orders from another legion's HQ outside of shattered legions armies.

>>95864088
I do, but it doesn't help me. Building a 2500pts army took me almost exactly 3 years. And it looks like with this edition I can't even use most of the stuff I bought. Never mind have an efficient army Maybe GW will release another book with detachment, so people can play with their armored fist or dreadnought armies.

>>95863977
>Can't wait for SA to not get them, because of reasons
Because theyre rare, complex and difficult to maintain tech that even the marines didnt have a lot of and which wasnt viable to keep in long term operation?

The SA are mooks compared to the legions, why would they get the legions best toys?

>>95863127
ding ding ding ding ding ding

>>95863091
but also if you're taking Tacticals for example, you're gaining range and shots at no additional cost, and the unit becomes more versatile in terms of loadout without reducing the number of weapon exchanges you can make

for Legion Veteran Squads - which you may be forced into using as Troops - it gives you much more ranged punch without paying 80 points for combi-weapons (and longer-ranged punch too) because you'll only have 5 bolters in the squad

for Destroyers, a mix of shotguns and lasguns/lascarbines gives greater range plus Concussive on your shooting, while 20 stubcarbines (replacing both bolt pistols) would give you twice as much killing power against MEQ/TEQ before a charge without taking away your +1A for 2CCW

>>95864147
Maybe having one Sworn Brother means you gotta have one By the Emperor's Command and two Distrusted Allies, but that doesn't mean you can simply switch to a different Allies Matrix altogether when allying a different force.
Only in a tournament would it be locked in, and you just wouldn't begin a tournament allied to distrusted forces to begin with.

>>95864157
>Because theyre rare, complex and difficult to maintain tech

you have no understanding of planetary scale industry.

The most rare and high tech objects today are some high horology watches. Some need a full year to build by 1 artisan.

When you have a planet size factory with TRILLIONS of peoples, something rare is done in the millions.

>>95864222
>>The most rare and high tech objects today are some high horology watches
Theyre not. Just blatantly.

Artisan watches are RARE but they are explicitly rather primitive, their rarity comes from the fact that they are artisanal, that theres like seven dudes making them for a very limited market.

>>95864222
>something rare is done in the millions.
Yes anon, theres millions of suits of saturnine terminator armor, its why it wasnt phased out in favor of easier to produce and maintain marks. Its why all the legions run around in terminator plate.

>>95863130
One of my main hopes for the new edition was seeing a lot of the legends and expansion units get reintroduced, but I doubt it seeing how much things have changed. They'll likely just be in a new legends PDF down the line anyway, so nothing may have changed too much.

>>95863130
I think the odds of them rejigging every legacy unit for the new format are low. Some stuff is going to 100% be lost.
I think the best you can hope for is a new exemplary battles style thing, or them to drip-feed the new non-liber units over narrative books and shit.

>>95864064
I've never liked the paywall shit OED does and I think it's probably arrogance/stupidity on their part

still though the word is "constantly" which hardly needs you to piggy up or pop into your local reference library and drag out the 20-volume, do none of you own physical books any more? did you think it would all just be free online like in your napsters

anyway from my 10th Ed Concise (concise is a specific edition in this case, it refers to the definition count)

>coleslaw • n. a salad dish of shredded raw cabbage, carrots, and other vegetables mixed with mayonnaise. - ORIGIN C18: from Du. koolsla, from kool 'cabbage' + sla '(see SLAW)
>constant • adj.
>1 occurring continuously.
>2 remaining the same. faithful and dependable.
> • n. an unchanging situation. Mathematics a component of a relationship between variables that does not change its value. Physics a number expressing a relation or property which remains the same in all circumstances, or for the same substance under the same conditions.
> - DERIVATIVES constancy n. constantly adv.
> - ORIGIN ME: via OFr: from L. constant-, constare 'stand firm', from con- 'with' + stare 'stand'.

one of you is using it as an adverbial noun and the other is using it as an adjective and to be honest I think you're both wrong and possibly idiots because you don't own actual books

what are you gonna do when the power goes out, read a fucking candle? chumps

dictionaries are cheap and plentiful in second hand shops, the main content will barely ever change, nobody is getting rid of them because they're out of date, they get rid of them because they die or have to move or think they're clutter
bunch of bean-stashing silver-hoarding crossbow-apes

>>95862951 (OP)
>TQ
I only have 1 HQ in my DG army, so it's pretty fucking over.

>>95864322
I guess you need some centurions huh?

>>95863662
The SA book has the worst choice of unit for the cover, with both Astartes books being a close 2nd place.

>>95864322
Even just 1 centurion can net you 1-2 auxiliary and 1 logistical detachment so that's still quite a bit of guys.

>>95864327
>>95864345
I think I'll get Typhon and demote the Praetor.
But I'm almost certainly going back to playing HH1.0 at this point.

>>95864353
Just promote a sergeant.

>>95864299
Werent Tarantulas Legacies and now they got models?

>>95864363
Maybe. And even if they werent im sure some units will be made more official if GW has a plan for them (nullificators maybe?) but do you really think every legacies unit is coming back?

>>95864363
legion tarantulas were legends, but I think solar aux tarantulas were in the liber.

>>95864318
>what are you gonna do when the power goes out, read a fucking candle? chumps
Usually just nap a bit, power is relatively stable here, maybe going out once a year. Other than that there's always the option to phonepost, and in either case screenshotting one of them dictionary websites is just a tad quicker than grabbing a book, taking a picture of what I want and posting it on here.

My Centurion kitbash. Axe because it was the only left handed weapon I owned (from Rann, so extra heretical). You reckon it's worth giving him a combi melta?

What kind of candy will legions will get besides their warlord traits and armories and units?
Unique crusade detachment
Unique challenge gambit
Unique prime slot bonus
Maybe unique auxilary detachments for unique consuls?

>>95864410
Please be patient, I have autism

>>95864422
Put the combi melta on a strap hanging off the shoulder. Always drip your characters in equipment even if you don't pay for it.

>>95864157
>why SA have something they had and were producing before Marines?
Gee, anon, I don't know.

>>95864412
Maybe something like double slots or double stuffing a slot if you take an appropriate consul, like an IW siege breaker just bringing more rapiers. Or just in general some of the purpose built consuls like mortifactors giving you one extra detachment or two if it's heavy support filled with dreads.

Finally finished my Praetor.

>>95864475
Nice master sergeant

>>95864437
>To equip the meltagun, he simply raises his right arm, then grabs it from below the armpit using his left hand, then puts his right hand on the trigger
Huh
>Cape made of mechadentrites
Kino

>>95864490
The servo arm takes it off for him.

>>95864481
That's the Praetor's 3d shadow; he himself is hidden in the 4th dimension

>>95864490
yes. but people love kino.

Leakanon, are you here.
Could you please post the Custodes lore pages from the rulebook?
I want to see how much they fucked them up.

So they got rid of Hatred rerolls to hit and they got rid of Shred rerolls to wound
Twin-linked weapins are just going to get teice the shots like in 40k, arent they?
Not looking forward to 20 fucking shots comming out of a HB rapier...

Leakanon where are you!?

>>95864558
Leaker anon said he wouldn't be here till the weekend

>>95864572
Oh ok.

>>95864562
A mere +1 to hit seems just as likely

>>95864562
Twink linked in 40k gives you reroll to wound

>>95864558
>>95864570
>>95864572
No more leaks until you stop sperging about the leaks you already got!

>>95864600
+1 to BS wouldn't be too bad actually because then at BS6 you'd get critical hits on a six, which bypasses wound roll and deals +1 damage

>>95864602
In 8th they got rid of it as a rule and turned it into double shots for all the guns that had it before

>>95864562
desu twin linked just being twice the shots is literally the most realistic since it is two barrels spitting a projectile each, instead of just creating a second potential bullet in case of a miss.

>>95864570
probably too busy building the kits and having fun

>>95864613
Ah ok

>>95864562
>Not looking forward to 20 fucking shots comming out of a HB rapier.
Mfw
>>95864602
Oof I hated that. What was wrong with rerolling hits? I really liked how 2.0 changed many TL guns into "gravis" versions with double shots or TL + 50% shots. I really liked that formula

>>95864623
They have some personal vendeta against rerolls this time around, for what ever reason
I don't think TL will be the exception. Grabis weapins are fine but rapiers and big sponsons are still a step above that

>>95864623
>Oof I hated that. What was wrong with rerolling hits?

Space Marines got rerolling hits on their whole army as a faction ability so they couldn't make them not stack with twin linked

>>95864539
He looks like he's shrugging

>>95863112
That plasma weapon looks so fucking bad holy shit

>>95862983
Where'd you get the STL for this?

>>95864654
Aww true. Then have them be able to pick which reroll they want idk oof

>>95863130
Since you need to fill HQs and even a stock centurion gives you 2 detachments, it wouldn't surprise me if Optae are in the liber as the cheapest HQ option with the ild centurion statline.

>>95864656
It looks like a variant of whatever the thanatar has

>>95864666
As long as they're i4 and don't have Artificer Armor. A refractor field is borderline

>>95864641
I think Rapiers did it fine
>Heavy bolter is 4 shots
>Gravis HB is TL 6 shots
>Quad HB is TL 8 shots. That is, 2x Heavy Bolters (8), twin linked. It was either that or making them TL Heavy 12.
...eeeh, maybe that would make anons bring the Rapiers with basic Quad HBs ngl

>>95864562
Maybe the things that have TL up to now will have Shred in 3.0 instead?
+1D on 6s to hit makes a lot more sense on coaxial weapon that it does on a chainsword, that's for sure
Tho it's not terribly useful for a lot of them. +1 to hit or wound would be better
+1 to wound also lines up with ranged Hatred

>Shred is conditional +1D
So that makes lightning claw terminators not be useless against other terminators. That is good.
But chainswords will be fighting 1W marines, on which the extra damage is pointless, right?
Will chainswords even have shred to begin with? 2.0 was nice in that it made chainswords better than regular CCWs

>>95864774
How do you know chainswords are keeping shred?

>>95864774
>So that makes lightning claw terminators not be useless against other terminators. That is good.
We've yet to see the full rules for claws. If they're flat AP3, that damage isn't going to matter much.

>>95864147
>It's bizarre that two of the three loyalist legions from Isstvan V are sworn brothers with the EC.
EC were the preppy popular kid who was unironically talented in everything but was a closet sadist and into BDSM who finally lost it. They got their own special squilla for being such a shining example.

>>95864475
Nice. Working on my Mor Deythan. Just primed my Deliverers and have been staring at my Praetor kitbash with fear to paint.

>>95864799
Conditional 2D at initiative with lots of attacks at AP3 has plenty of uses, especially if they knock it off with the favoritism and make all veteran equivalent Legion choices 3+ save like they always should've been

>>95864903
That's only gonna work if they got rid of artificer tanking

>>95864854
Interesting mix of weapons. I hope shotguns get something in 3.0

Finished some more satarael thallax and a cavas for a 2.5k match this sunday. I held off ordering a couple of vultaraxii with the confirmation that a new edition is coming.
I dread what 3.0 will bring for mech.

>>95862983
stl where? I'm not spending the $$ for a damn titan.

>>95865040
Nerfed myrmidons, nerfed thallax, buffed nothing. Thralls are 8ppm.

>>95862983
There's a metroid attacking the warhound.

>>95864796
No, I asked

>>95865040
They forgot how the weapon statlines work and every weapon is FP1 D1.

>>95864799
They were AP2 on 6s innit

>>95865123
That's how they share their love.

>>95865040
I think they could actually improve cuz last edition they forgot Brutal was a thing in most entries
But now they are forced to give all weapons a D characteristic and they can't just put 1 on everything

>>95864938
I just use them all as combi volkite. I built them before understanding the new rules, namely that minor combi are infinite, when I was building the army box. I had always wanted shotgun vets.

>>95862951 (OP)
>Tq
Don't have one yet but I'm looking forward to it
3 HQ slots has always felt incredibly restrictive
So was having to fit terminators, rapiers, vets and apothecaries in the same Elites slot

>>95864854
What are the odds that RG get rules that actually do something this edition?

>>95865144
>they can't just put 1 on everything
You underestimate GW's incompetence

>>95865166
You mean for Talons and Falcons? 50/50. I'm sure infiltrate stays. Shrouded probably. With rerolls gone, maybe Falcons will get Hatred and Talons unconditional Shrouded.

Can't wait for these big fat bastards in plastic.

>>95865132
They were. Doesn't mean they still are. Especially since rending seems to be gone. They might get breaching, they might not.

>>95865223
They better get some options.

>>95865132
Yes, but shred and rending did very different things than they do now (or will do).

Translated to current rules: shred(which now needs a value btw, but probably like 6+) + rending (6+) is "on a 6 to hit you automatically wound and do +1 damage for that attack". Zero impact on AP.

Breaching + shred could be interesting, make 6s to wound REALLY nasty (functionally a power fist hit) but with no reroll its harder to fish for, the days of lighting claws/ravens talons murdering dreadnoughts are (probably) gone.

>>95865253
I'd say regular lightning claws are +0IM +1 AM SU AP3 D1 Shred 6+ breaching 6+, and Raven Talons are the same but drop shred for breaching 5+

Why is the Eye of Horus on the wrong side?

>>95865253
>the days of lighting claws/ravens talons murdering dreadnoughts are (probably) gone.
Sounds like the words of someone who could stand to bring more claws.

>>95865271
I could see it. I think its a net decrease in their power (+1D is worse than the reroll for most cases imo) but itd keep the general vibe. I dont imagine ravens talons will lose shred though, theyre supposed to be lightning claws+, not an arguable sidegrade. Probably just +1 to whatever breacing value claws end up having.

Although: I think there is another possible world, where they keep their current keywords and subsequently shift role. Rending + shred makes for insanely powerful AP3 killers that cant do much else. Lightning claws would become the perfect veteran killing machine. In that world I could see ravens talons dropping rending(6+) for critical strike (6+)

>>95865287
right shoulder is appropriate for primary symbols in the case of the left pauldron being an ablative format ala neuemk.6 for instance
he probably just doesn't give a fuck though

>>95865144
>they can't just put 1 on everything
everything will be D1, except for radium weapons. Those can be D2.

I hope the new edition has a bit more weapon variety/customization. Like give a reason to dual wield power weapons for example, or let people customize their shit. The added granularity of the weapons profiles should make that easier to balance than ever, and it would fit really well within the context of the new duelling system and the 8 extra centurions everyone is running.

>>95865369
Calix heavy las is going to be d2, heavy(d) imo. Enough to still character snipe.

>>95865369
Prediction for the guns I remember:
Thanatar plasma mortar D2
Big lascannon D3
Lightning guns D1
Darkfire cannons D2
The lasfusil (thruster?) Ap3 thing D1
Plasma fusils same D as whatever plasma ends up being (probably 1)
Grav fists D3
Lashes D1

>>95865381
>heavy(d)
Anon, you just reminded me. Did the leaks show whether or not Relentless still exists? Or some equivalent rule which makes units always count as not having moved for various purposes.

I'm wondering if lascannons mounted on vehicles and dreads are perma D2.

>>95865404
Funny literally everything you said they'd make greater than D2 I predicted that they'd leave D1 out of spite.

>>95865420
Graviton crushers being D1 would be the funniest thing. S10, D1 is just a shitpost profile.

>>95865415
No idea. I would guess so? But who knows.

>>95865428
It's literally what they did last edition so

>>95865420
I could maybe see darkfires remaining D1 since theyre <S8 and therefore not something you would expect to "instant death" terminators.
But I dont see a world where the plasma mortar or the big las cannon dont have that ability.

>>95865441
In the last edition high S was its own reward. Brutal was just a weird outlier like 4 weapons had, lascannons, missiles and melta not being among them.
In this edition instant death isnt a thing, S10 d1 takes two unsaved attacks to kill a veteran or terminator. 3 for saturnine or basic centurions, more for other characters.

Putting my Typhon together - I'm at the sponson stage, what should I give it? Obviously the edition is changing, but do we think it should be as cheap as possible or that something like heavy flamers would give it utility?

>>95865471
Flamers always cause panic tests now, which might be fun. Just go for whatever looks coolest/does the job you want though.

>>95865489
I forget, is heavy(AP) just AP2 or is it AP3?

Thunder hammers look about like what I expected, lmao at the IM-5 though, Theyre going to have to invent negative initiative for those things.

>>95865506
I think Heavy (AP) would be 3 in this case, as it just ups by 1

>>95865489
Asshole

>>95865489
Lmao

>>95865480
>And they shall know no-AHHHHHH FIRE!

I don't suppose anybody here speaks latin? I want to paint up a spare heavy weapons guy to be my armistos with a missile launcher and I always liked to call the "problem solver" but just painting that in english doesn't sound like the legion style so I want to make it mystical and religious but I don't google translator.

>>95865287
omg he's non-Codex

>>95865574
fire fucking hurts man, shits scary. I assume phospex might have a similar rule.

>>95865588
>"problem solver"
There probably isn't a straight translation for that

>>95865574
30k marines had better biological components but their psycho-indoctrination was tame by comparison to what 40k marines (inductii for all intents and purposes) go through

>>95863668
Only penning on 6's with meltas is absolutely garbo tier. Hopefully melta keyword does something more than just damage? Or AP gets to be in the equation somehow? I'm coping, clearly.

>>95865645
>Only penning on 6's with meltas is absolutely garbo tier
On the one hand: yes
On the other hand: You only need two pens to kill a fucking knight.

Its going to be very swingy, the land raider takes no damage, no damage, no damage, wrecked.

>>95865588
Biggus Diggus

>>95865588
>Perdam

"I will destroy"

>Problema Solvam

"I will solve the problem"

>>95865645
>Only penning on 6's with meltas is absolutely garbo tier.

if that's what it does

but given a single melta pen from an infantry dude in melta range will fuck a Predator outright and is only 1/9 to get, it's not terrible even if it is that

>>95865588
"Emendator", though the direct translation is repairer

>>95865679
>>>Problema Solvam
>"I will solve the problem"

>>95865645
It doesn't. But meltas are still the prime anti termi and anti dread weapon. And agains light transports like rhinos the base damage 3 is a lot more reliable than a las canon.
Idk about melta TSS but the odd meltagun on a breacher squad or rhino actually has good use now

>>95865645
It's time to accept that
>Vehicles can be somewhat durable
And
>A very widespread special weapon can easily wreck most vehicles
Are mutually exclusive

>>95863574
>HURR DURR I WUZ JUST PRETENDIN TO BE RETARDO I PWN U

>>95865645
Meltas actually have slightly more average hp damage than a stationary lascannon, since a lascannon is only d2 while a melta is d6 in half range. You only need 1 melta to get through to destroy a predator, probably 2 for a land raider.

>>95863662
Hmm, the Astartes/Hereticus ones actually look pretty fuckin' THICC. Even accounting for the fact they both have to include the same redundant core army list, there's maybe a *little* hope that GW have crammed some of the supplementary/legends content back in?

>>95865679
This feels like some weird variation of the "inside you there are two wolves" meme.

>>95865808
>probably 2 for a land raider.
Anon we know its 3 they literally posted the statline. They have 5HP.

But yes, even though they pen half as much vs Av14 meltas (at melta range) are better than lascannons because they do 3x the damage. Its almost like meltaguns are the "fuck you" guns when theyre in melta range.

>>95865480
>Flamers always cause panic tests now
Extra fuck you to Mechanicum: Flamers will cause Panic, but Rad projectors (Mech's special flamer favor) won't.
But DA plasma flamers? Panic.

>>95864570
He said earlier it's his club game night you fucking ingrates.

>>95865679
This kind of thing is why GW uses pig-latin not the real thing, which is frequently disappointing. Like sometimes you get EXSULTANTES MACHINA and sometimes Justa The Englishum Wordums.

>>95865840
Have we seen the LR profile?
>They have 5HP
No that's Predators. When they talked about Meltas, they said they could destroy Deredeos and Predators in one go, but didn't mention Land Raiders.
That makes me think they are more than HP6

>>95865860
>but Rad projectors won't.
How do you know, have you seen the weapon profile already?

>>95865932
>Have we seen the LR profile?
Sorry, I missread your post. I thought it was saying "1 melta to destroy a predator, probably 2 lascannons"

Yes, I expect land raiders to have 8+, maybe 10 for a spartan.

>>95865942
Anon hes complaining about how he feels shafted by GW design. It would be like a NL player saying "I bet escaton power claws are damage 1", we dont know, but its venting past experiences with bad rules in a comedic way.

>>95865947
If knights have 10 LRs and spartans probably have 7-8

>>95865893
I think (modern) High Gothic is Olde Englishe, as Gaunt uses it once when trying to speak to someone who speaks a different variant of Low Gothic:
>"Histye,” Gaunt began. “Ayeam… ah… ayeam yclept Gaunt, of… er… Tanith His Worlde
Which means High Gothic is latinized Olde Englishe
>>95865588
>Oplossus
From Oplosser (Solver) in the closest to old English, Frisian.

I wonder how theyre going to do autocannons (and variants) with the new changes.

Their "thing" used to be that theyre a jack of all trades weapon, decent strength and firepower but nothing crazy in either direction, not great AP but with rending. Rending also gave them some ability to knock out vehicles, not enough to be very reliable outside of giant numbers but enough to get a couple HP off.

But how would that work now? Will they just get rending/critical hits/breaching/whatever? Because those rules now only work vs infantry.

I just hope sicarans are good.

>>95865942
I don't know, I guess and despair. Flamers spit visible, burning fire. But rad projectors spew invisible radiation. It's deadlier, but less showy

>>95865987
>deep strike dead
>red flag

>>95865588
Resolutor

>>95865987
How is deep strike dead?

>>95866004
Deepstrike doesn't have to be broken, but it doesn't have to be dead. It can be just fine. 1e with allowable charges would be perfect.

>>95865987
Is deep strike dead? Because im not sure it is. Especially with interceptor not a functional 2nd shooting phase for the enemy (mind you: it had to be this way or you could just instawin with deepstrike vs shooting armies, drop in, charge, no counterplay)

>>95866023
Minus drop pods which I assume will circumvent the limitation, deepstrike is one unit per turn

>>95866003
With the reputation rad weapons have in the grimdark it wouldn't surprise me if those cause panic too. And who knows, maybe Rad Phage will actually do something for once.

>>95866024
>1e with allowable charges would be perfect.
1E 40k, or 1.0 30k? I do not know the first one

>>95866024
I think deepstrike still has its use and place, it just wont be for having a melee deathstar rape the backline any more. Dropping in melta in the right place or setting up for the next turn are more likely now.

>>95866034
Radphage is a new status effect, causes damage over time, sort of like what warpflame used to do in 40k.

>>95866046
I'm still not sure what to think about the new deep strike, and if such a heavy nerf was needed. With sweeping advance gone it's not like deep striking melee can wipe any squad off the table.

I will miss deep strike scatter though, so much funny mishaps.

>>95866033
Oof.
I wonder if master of signals will help with that

>>95866042
30k. It was individual reserve rolls and scatter for each unit but no charging. You deployed in a blob with as tight coherency as possible around the model that lands first. Vox and other effects help with scatter accuracy.

>>95866046
>just wont be for having a melee deathstar rape the backline any more
That's one of the prime tactics of what deepstrike is abstracting. Dark Furies silently descending on a command unit for the Decapitation Strike(TM) is about as lore accurate as it gets. 2.0 made deepstrike a mess no one wanted. No one wanted be be able to place within 1 inch via a daisy chain of models.

1.0 was a risk, you could scatter and mishap or simply scatter too far away. Allow charges and it would be perfect.

>>95866110
>That's one of the prime tactics of what deepstrike is abstracting.
I understand that, and its cool when you do it. But its absolute ass to play against because its basically just "hope the other guy scatters or you lose"

Interceptor "balanced" it by letting you ventilate them if they try and do it, but that created its own problems.

>>95866123
The whole game can said to be
>I hope my opponent doesn't the thing that makes them win

Tactics prevent blowouts. Screen the command squad, hide out of LoS of snipers, don't expose rear armor. Just because 2.0 deepstrike was either so OP it was a win condition or so bad because your opponent had a bunch of interceptor doesn't mean that 3.0 deepstrike must suck at worst or be niche at best and no longer mirror what the stories of battles are.

>>95864661
>>95865091
Can't tell you, because James works during the week days
Anyway, more grime time
Actually, I probably can tell because the model is down on most sites and it's strife herald and the armour is upscaled armour from a Lucius conversion, which you can find if you dig around a bit on the purple sit

>>95866153
>>I hope my opponent doesn't the thing that makes them win
Except normally there is a game around that. "I hope my opponents deathstar doesent make it to melee" is a problem you have to tackle (shoot it, screen it, avoid it) and they have to in return respond to your actions (use cover, position to force engagements, utilize secondary threats)

Deep strike doesent really have that. If it lands then it lands, you cant control it as the opponent. And then you lose because the opponent got decapitate your army (unless its also in reserve). There is no game involved, just watching how the scatter dice roll. Its why interceptor was necessary, to add interactivity and decision making to the process.

>Screen the command squad, hide out of LoS of snipers, don't expose rear armor.
And all of those dont apply to deepstrike, because deep strike is "pick a point on the battlefield, put your melee deathstar there (dice willing)". There is no way your HSS is protected from deepstrike unless you somehow cover your entire part of the board in bodies.

>>95865987
>Tactical statuse devolve games into standing contexts
Are you not aware that pinning was a thing all thorough 2.0?

>>95863241
>Inductii should hopefully be in the core liners.
ohhh a second shot at making Inductii worth considering. I did not even think about that.
Maybe their mental stats are lower for a lower cost then a true Legionary.

>>95866177
>And all of those dont apply to deepstrike
It does in the sense you absolutely can control where you opponent deepstrikes. Screening is such a basic 101 tactic. If you don't want your opponent to land their murderball on your command squad or artillery etc then don't leave room for them.

>>95866177
>There is no way your HSS is protected from deepstrike unless you somehow cover your entire part of the board in bodies.
This is simply untrue. Plus interceptor exists. I'm starting to think you don't play because no one in their right mind would deepstrike in LoS of a HSS that didn't want to simply die to the auspex scanners free reaction.

>(dice willing)
That's the game. Your opponent has the right to outplay you just as much you them. Again, 2.0 is bad example of how a mechanic should not work.

>>95866225
>Plus interceptor exists.
Anon I literally directly addressed interceptor, and how it was a necessary evil created by deepstrike being what it was.

>etc then don't leave room for them
"just take up every inch of space surrounding your valuable units as a tide of flesh" is not exactly a very viable strategy. You can certainly take up space, you almost never have the ability to take up ALL the space, there is always going to be a gap big enough for deepstrike if it doesent scatter.

>>95866233
>>95866225
DS in 2.0 is just such a fucking ass mechanic. It's absurdly all or nothing.

3.0 DS is just absurdly restrictive. 1 unit per turn (but this doesn't scale with game size??), no charging but also no scatter.

It's like it's custom made for lone melta suicide squads.

You know, theyre probably going to give a "vanguard veteran" style rule for certain units that lets then charge from DS anyways

>>95866280
Like it seems so obvious. Dawnbreakers and other DS elites that belong to "author favored" legions will be allowed to charge out of deepstrike, making them insanely good.

The DS cap is also going to be higher for various RoWs or legions, because of course it is.

I already miss having scatter on deep strike :(

A single unit of basic bitch troop assault marines with ZERO upgrades deepstriking on your weary backline on turn 3 will hurt all of us in this edition. It WILL cost you games.

Melta TSS drop pods will be the death of your prize tank.

>>95866301
The same way they are in this edition?
>>95866300
It already does

>>95866306
No one takes TSS in this edition.

not exactly HH but here goes nothing: >>95866317

>>95866319
I do. With volkite calivers even.

>>95866319
No shit. They are still as capable or more of blowing up any tank or super heavy.
People don't take them for reasons that could apply to 3.0 as well.

>>95866325
I respect that. But thats just worse than a volkite HSS. I hope theyre better in 3.0.

>>95866329
>People don't take them for reasons that could apply to 3.0 as well
People dont take them because anti-tank is so easy that expensive TSS with short range firepower arent needed. And interceptor reactions make limited scope deep strike super risky.

>>95866324

>>95862983
gib close ups on that chadius warhound. I'm curious how smooth Bambulab A1 is because I'm convinced that even titans should be printed in resin only.

>>95866337
>anti-tank is so easy
Las cannons can only glance AV14 with a flare shield

>>95866348

>>95866346
finally I can die in peace. thanks, anon.

>>95866348
>even titans should be printed in resin only.
You are always going to see the lines up close.
You hardly look at the models that close while playing tho

>>95866337
Calivers are still good enough, have done solid work for me, even if they are overshadowed by culverin HSS.
People often get so caught up in what the highest tier meta units are that they start to think anything besides those has to be utter trash, and never even try something different.

>>95866351
From the front, and unless theyre IW/NL. But even that doesent really matter because long range melta and easy to get grav exist. You simply do not need meltagun TSS

>>95866365
It's not a matter of choosing the highest tier meta unit
It's a matter of retarded rules writers making a TSS with less shots, less strength, less range more expensive than the HSS variant

>>95866368
Those are all reasons to not have to take melta in 3.0 as well

>>95866374
>Those are all reasons to not have to take melta in 3.0 as well
Except from what (limited) information we have this isnt the case. Vehicles are now harder to deal with at range, lascannons are worse at their job than they were before.

Melta on the other hand is, within the right circumstances, now insanely good at its job. Doing absolutely insane damage when put in the right place.

>>95866233
>just take up every inch of space surrounding your valuable units as a tide of flesh" is not exactly a very viable strategy
Hyperbole, basic screening has been solved in the 40k community for years now after deepstrike lost scatter. I don't know why 30k is so reluctant to pick this up. I love watching batreps where IW players win because they took tac bricks and fubbles their opponent where they wanted them. You will have to expose yourself to play the game. You can't just play civil war fire ranks for an honorable battle. You have to give your opponent a chance to play and sometimes that's risking a valuable unit to shooting and/or charges. You make it seems like deepstrike is some perfect boogey man. While granted 2.0 deepstrike is poorly implemented it's still preventable.

>>95865381
>>95865415
>heavy(d)

everything reminds me of her

>>95865243
they can either get up or go back to sleep

>>95866362
25um or whatever layer height on an SLA is seeming to me to be breddi damn good and a fair hair better than the masters that gw recasts their own models from

it can go even finer of course and under a paint job and after whatever cleanup might be called for shit's fucking negligible and even that is a probable overstatement

>>95866383
Jesus fucking christ
You know nothing about points, most weapons or even most special rules.
And you are all here bitching about how meltagun TSS in drop pods are going to be the end of the game and why would anyone ever take anything else.
You don't know shit yet. At least wait for the full rules before deciding on the next retarded meta that will have an easy counter that everyone here is going to ignore and bitch about for the next 3 year

>>95866348
You fail to realise that even with marvels like tough resin ultra, resin is still an inferior engineering material,both in terms of durability and longevity
God forbid you print a titan out of standard or overrated Abs-like resin
Anyway, I'll post a pic in a sec

>>95866397
>SLA
I mean on an A1
Resin definitely does make them invisible if you don't care about 20h long prints per part

>>95866397
>>95866407
Everything I printed and shown here that I painted was always on 35um and even at that height, especially under any layer of paint are impossible to see, all the more so if you rotate your model correctly
Anyway, collage of the warhound

>>95866403
>inferior engineering material
nta but my autism is compelling me to make an FDM skeleton and just print the details in think panels to glue them on top. I think it shouldn't be that hard

>>95866422
Obviously I don't print minis on my A1 mini, but you can get some extremely impressive results

>>95866427
That's fine,but don't print the skeleton in resin or your titan will fall apart in less than half a year, a full year and a half if tough resin

>>95866422
>if you rotate your model correctly
Problem is there's sometimes no correct rotation, like that shin part. It's either going to fuck up the ball at the ankle or the connector at the top...

ni hao homies
i have been freed from the prison of work, now to share
what do we seek?

>>95866445
Hey leaker anon
Some special rules pages would be very nice
Also, is there still proper rules for terrain or did they 40k it?

>>95866437
Sure,but you can be smart about it and not have those parts be visible, but by 35um I was obviously talking about resin and 35 microns is stupidly smooth 99% or the time
With FDM I print at 0.16 for all of my vehicles
Pic related, while camera unfortunately made those layer lines on the tracks be a lot more visible than they are irl,I still think this is an extremely impressive result considering it costed me like less than 5eur worth of filament

>>95866445
How do units with different saves work?
Probably in either the armor save section or under sergeants

>>95866445
Can you post the table of contents please? Also any kind of default profiles in the book? Or missions?

>>95866445
Difference between Shrouded,Feel no pain and how if damage works like Brutal please

>>95866445
Missions

>>95866455
nta but wound allocation is in the imgur already. You have to allocate all wound of the same type to the same model until they die or you run out of wounds to assign on that pool
AA tanking is still very much a thing

>>95866463
>how if damage works like Brutal please
nta, it doesn't. Damage is applied after saves and damage mitigation. It's in the mega as well

>>95866467
It's over

>>95866445
HQ shots of the all force org/detachment/army building pages
Color plates you don't recognize
Cringe nu-lore

>>95866445
>He has returned!
How does wound allocation work? Wondering if AA tanking will still be a thing.

>>95866452
hmm special rules are a good idea… ill post those then the terrain rules, to tell you the truth i didnt look at those yet

>>95866478
Bro...

>>95866445
Can you post the rest of the weapon special rules (like ordanance/reaping blow)?

>>95866467
But that would mean you have to keep allocating to the model with AA until it dies - including the AP 2 hits. It depends on if there is still something similar to the current Character wound allocation rule.

>>95866479
2/7
some quick disappointments: 3 missions in the main book

>>95866454
Better example with my predators which have zero layer lines, even the turret tops have extremely minimal ones

>>95866487

>>95866479
Blast changes seem kinda nuts no? Just straight up more accurate by a whole lot.

>>95866487
Eh, not great, but the best missions in 2.0 were in the campaign books as well.

>>95866485
The character thing is not command or officer models I think. But we don't know which ones those are. It might just be an HQ thing

>>95866487
>Expendable
Indeed . . .

>>95866494
4/7

>>95866474
But I mean if damage is split into each 1 damage and that stuff is saved/rolled for or if you say have a Damage 2 attack against you and a single save removes both of those 2 damge

>>95866502
5/7

>>95866487
>A Player scores less victory points
FEWER

>>95866430
These rhinos are FDM. Brief sanding, top layer ironing, filler primer, and weathering does a lot.

>>95866516
6/7
anyone been building centurions? I got a MKII guy being worked on right now. Will post pics after these rules

>>95866445
>>95866464
Seconding missions good sir

>>95866507
I just told you. Damage happenes after saves and mitigations. You take all or nothing

>>95866502
Centurions must get Officer of The Line (1) by default

>>95866523
7

>>95866516
>Rad? Phage works on the whole unit
Fucking yes
Destroyer's missiles might not be completely useless

>>95866527
Found it in the mega
That's lame desu

>>95866532
Terminators must have Vanguard

>>95866523
Have too many HQ models already lol

>>95866546
Nah, Destroyers

>>95866523
>rending no longer giving bonuses to shooting armor values
FUCK you, nemesis bolter, eat a bag of dicks.

>>95866532
Huh, vanguard is interesting, I wonder who gets that, maybe Despoilers. Also, what's going to be new VP scale, up to 100 like 40k?
After terrain can we get unit types leaker anon?

>>95866487
I feel like you could make Deflagrate hits just be the same strength as the gun that caused them and save half a paragraph.

>>95866539
AP3 fleshbane is great even now. Last game mine ate a whole squad of seekers in one volley.

>>95866445
Could we get the Unit Types pages? Are those still a thing?

>>95866587
But you can do that with normal missile launchers
The -1T rules never worked bc it applied to 1 model. There's was no reason to even keep track of it and anything worth lowering the T of probably has ap2 so you are not even likely to go through it...

>>95866487
Why doess deflagrate have an X value when it could just match the weapon strength? Surely there can't be many weapons that have a higher or lower deflagrate value that it matters?

missions 1/7

>>95866445
Vehicle rules?
Do they still do the whole 2 speeds and snap shots on most weapons if they move full speed?
Are defensive weapons the same?

>>95866596
2/7

>>95866445
Allies and allies table please

>>95866595
I could see it as an attempt to make the superheavy volkites actually good by letting them have high initial strength but lower deflagrate strength, like making the Glaive S10 with deflagrate (5)

>>95866595
I don't mind it, it isn't any more complicated and allowes for even more weapon granularity.

>>95866603
3/7

>>95866479
>Battlesmith
>In the Movment phase, BUT either before or after moving
So I can't do a drive-by repair?
What shitty restrictions

>>95866594
What other missile launchers have AP3 small blasts that wound a 2+? Rad phage was niche, sure, but that was just icing.

>>95866614
4/7

>>95866494
<Fear doesn't stack
Holy molley

>>95866622
5/7

>>95866479
Huh, blasts don't scatter at all? That's kinda weird
Blast weapons are suddenly way more reliable, tho I guess they also can be affected by negative hit modifiers

>>95866627
><Fear doesn't stack
It never did?

>>95866630
6/7

>>95866641
7/7

>>95866610
That's Liber stuff

>(Old) Size the Initiative is still in
Literally the worst rule ever printed by GW. Who here also don't use it? My group can't be the only one.

>>95866595
Could be used for incendiary rounds where the initial hit or shell is strong but then only gives out weaker flames
Or it could be used the other way around too

>>95866664
We don't use it either

>>95866664
Pussy.

>>95866620
The normal ones. There's not a lot of difference in hits on average between 1 shot and a small template unless the target is all tightly grouped toguether

>>95866595
There was a psyker attack that has like deflagarate 5 or 3, I forgot

>>95866650
Thanks leakeranon. What's even left outside lore? Terrain?

>>95866422
breddy good I must say. however I will still stick to muh resin and especially abs skeleton+resin plates. however you intrigued me with the part where everything falls apart in 6-18 months. why is that?

>shrouded is just worse Feel no pain
>Rending doesn't improve AP or armour pen
Feels bad man

>>95866630
>Counter Offensive
That sounds unbelievably retarded even if it gives you a reason to keep the game going

>>95866692
>>Rending doesn't improve armour pen
GOOD

>>95866687
Because it's a chemical reaction, curing hardens resin by exposing it to UV and since UV is pretty much everything, your model will keep curing until it's insanely brittle, experienced that first hand
Tough resin are designed to be like rubber and such when cured, so they take much longer to become brittle
If you look at any resin manufacturer, they should have it listed how long the shelf life for their resin is

>>95866603
Core missions are only for 3k or lower points . . . Most interesting.

So is night fighting/night vision just gone?

>>95866705
*Pretty much everywhere

>>95866683
According to 2.0 rulebook, core principles, movement, shooting, morale (split up everywhere now), unit types, characters (probably lives in unit types now), terrain, and other half of vehicle rules

>>95866721
Oh I forgot there's stuff after special rules, there was also list building (including allies despite what some anons think), and warlords

great sculpt
comes with the same sgt sprue so I used a fist from the melee kit and one of the disintegrator pistols

>>95866678
That's hogwash, especially with coherency rules
Even if you're only hitting two, you're doubling your output per shot

>>95866757
Thanks for all your effort, Anon.
I'm a bit conflicted about those pistols, on one hand they're huge but on the other it'd be easy to stick some wires and hook it up to the backpack.

>>95866479
>blasts without scatter
At first I thought this was insane, but now it kind of makes sense since an instant death from Sx2 weapons is gone. I expect the majority of big guns to still have AP4, though.

Also, thank you very much again, leaker anon; very cool.

>>95866479
So blasts roll to hit if they have LoS but if they mis completely they still scatter and can hit something automatically.
Doesn't that make them insanely reliable?

>>95866757
how do the egginators look so far?

>>95866757
Can you post pics of the saturnine runners please.

>>95866614
>You can get tabled but still win on points
That's nice, I think

Theres NO TWIN LINKED???!!!

NO TWIN LINKED???!!!

Heavenly Jesus in the sky take us! That means everything that used to be twin linked will be double the instances of that weapon. (With cost increase) Let that shit sink in anons. This is one of the biggest chances in the edition

>>95866705
oshid. surely applying a primer, paint and varnish, as per usual, would protect the mini for UV bullshittery? does brittleness affect minis in the same measure or just titan scale models?

>>95866760
>Even if you're only hitting two
That's already a stretch. You have to roll a very specific way to hit 2 model and that's offset by the time the marker lands on a different zip code
Either way normal missile launchers are way easier to access and destroyers are too expensive and niche to just shoot 1 ap3 blast. There's a lot of units that can do that easier and cheaper
Rad phage working on whole units gives them a unique support role they didn't have before. At least at reange

>>95866800
That might be a weapon trait like assault which seems to be listed somewhere else.

>>95866800
good, twice the gun should mean twice the dakka, not slightly more than one dakka

>>95866757
Can you leave the Saturnine pads off?
>>95866800
>20 shot HB rapiers

>>95866757
Anon does the rule book have weapon stats or nah?

>>95866810
Everything fren and primer doesn't help in the long run, unless you have anti UV paint
Believe me, I have printed stuff since 2023, thankfully tough resin exists, which helps a lot,but still not ideal,i recommend you switch to it as well if you care about longevity of your minis

>>95866850
For example I have Secutarii that I printed in 2023 from standard resin and they're so brittle Nowadays that they're straight up unusable

>>95866859
That's not much different from FW's

>>95866859
I had some finecast models that just crumbled into dust within a year.

>>95866879
>>95866887
But it's still heartbreaking to see something you lovingly painted and put decals on, just shatter when you poke it

>>95866859
>>95866879
>>95866887
Jesus, the fuck do you guys do with your models? I am building models using decade old forgeworld and recast models and they're fine

>>95866903
Nothing. Finecast was such horrible quality that they disintegrated over time merely by existing.

>>95866903
Transport mostly to games,but I don't do that anymore with them for reason I already stated

>GW fixed the Exodes deploying in close combat exploit in 3.0
Boooooo, why does GW hate fun?

>>95866782
>>95866783
i will not be posting anything saturnine related because it all looks like garbage. engage in your sick fetishes on your own time

>>95862983
>Lucius

>>95866903
Also FW is not the same as SLA resin, that's the important detail, FW resin doesn't have such a relatively short shell life compared to basic UV resins
Another reason to shill toughness resin from personal experience, for example I have a primus Medicae and his servo arm thingy that he has on his back, which is quite thin, hasn't broken off once and is still shockingly flexible. He's nearing 10 months old, whereas with normal resin,that thing would have been into pieces already, let alone flexible

>>95866923
Based

>>95866936
It's actually a narrative reason why I have Lucius. Because my forge world is Ryza. Mars betrayed the Emperor and so thus only non-mars patterns for titans and other things

>>95866923
Not gonna tell you how to spend your money, but why buy a box where you dislike a near fifth of the models?

>>95866923
I kneel.

>>95866951
Maybe he is splitting the box with someone else

>so far no rules give rerolls
Blessed be

>>95866951
A 440 or 660 dollar box at that

>>95866951
if he is a youtuber/something similar he gets it for free

>>95866970
In case you missed it,he got it from the guy who stole the boxes from GW, lmao

>>95866970
bud, someone put stolen boxes on ebay, one of which this anon allegedly purchased. If he were a tuber he'd be fucking stupid to post on here.

>>95866988
If he were a tuber he'd be instructed to post here

>>95867012
Hypothesis: GW likes tg so much, they do these leaks themselves.

>>95866922
Because that was never legal in the first place.

>>95866949
It's based either way.
god i love how Forge world had the Lucius up with Megas XLR colours back in the day.

>>95867022
I honestly wouldn't be surprised, given how GW employees do actually lurk if not post on /tg/

>>95867022
For what reason would the like tg?

>>95867070
>no accounts
>no karma
>no likes
>just game recognizing game
>plus the occasional reminder that there are non functioning adults that shouldn't be integrated into society who have it worse than you

>>95866523
I ain't been building shit. I've got enough random crap for my army. Last thing I threw together was this Armistos I think. Actually, while I was looking for this pic I saw some mkvi despoilers

Remember anon, not all the special rules are in the main rulebook. Maybe twin linked is in the libers, along with haywire and Graviton pulse.

>>95867097
>>plus the occasional reminder that there are non functioning adults that shouldn't be integrated into society who have it worse than you
I wonder if we find that more from reddit now.
maybe it's a Percapita thing, but like redditors are so fucking buck broken man.

>>95867114
>playing anything but a homerules 1.5e
couldn't be me

>>95867127
Reddit is nothing but echo chambers, people can completely lose themselves in their delusions there.

Not so much here, any statement can and will be met by at least one person calling you a fucking retard.

>>95866523
>building centurions?
Primed my Moritats (had one painted from start of 2e), Siege Breaker, and Warmonger. I also found my ancient Praevian I made from the Calth Chappy. Never did buy any automata.

>>95867022
I want to know why the leaker switched from PNGs to JPEGs halfway through the first batch

>>95866495
Sniper tanks here we come.

Leakers on where you able to find any multicharge rules in the book?

>>95867152
Plasma cannon squads now less obnoxious.
Derdeo plasma actually usable

>>95867097
>just game recognizing game
Lmao

>>95867143
>primaris volkite

>>95867160
Oh I didn't even notice we've got back to 3e 40k blasts. Neat.

>>95867141
People get gaslit into believing false realities here all the time, remember Q-Anon?

>>95866523
Made a bit of progress on these two nerds
The WE is not a lot less white in real life

>>95866813
>You have to roll a very specific way to hit 2 model
I don't know what dream land you live in where every single model in every single unit is exactly 2" away from each other

just noticed his raven is backwards now I cant unsee it

Not my model, but can anyone tell me where this sword being drawn from its sheath bit is from?

>>95867234
Melee Weapons Upgrade Set

>>95867252
Thank you

>>95867110
You should replace that scanner with a pack of smokes.

>>95867222
If they are 1.1" away from each other, which is not a lot, just enough to fit a 25mm base between them, it IS a very specific roll.
A third of the time the scatter will roll a direct hit, you only hit 1 model.
If it actually scatters, for a roll of 2-5, BS4 still won't move it enough to hit another model. You hit 1 model.
If you roll a 7 or more you are no longer hitting the innicial target, you hit 1 model.

Unless the enemy unit is tightly packed or is numerous enough that a 7"+ scatter still land fully inside the unit.
If they are actually tightly packed you get more hits on a direct hit, but half the time the scatter is not going to hit anything.
It's a pretty specific roll
Assuming small blast weapons always hit 2 model is being pretty generous

>>95867215
christ, i've taken better pictures with a fucking polaroid, try again, but retard less

>>95867114
>haywire
That's going to be shock now, isn't...

>>95867215
>tfw I failed my Blind test

>>95867025
It was. He had his own rule

>>95867343
Like I said, I don't think every single unit in the game is a perfect 20" wide rectangle with everyone specifically spaced at maximum coherency to specifically avoid small blasts, especially after moving or disembarking

Anyone who's ever used a 20 man squad just balls them up and pushes them forward, to even insinuate that anyone would take the time to perfectly space out every model in every unit on the table is a level of no-games that this thread rarely sees

>>95866110
>30k. It was individual reserve rolls and scatter for each unit but no charging
I disagree. I think deepstrikes should scatter like in 1.0 indeed, to keep it random.
But SINCE it's random, and this fair, I say they should be able to charge. Especially now that they can be Intercepted and Overwatched against.
I would have every unit roll for it like regular reserves do, though.

>>95867382
>disagree
You mean agree? We want the same thing

>>95866177
>those dont apply to deepstrike, because deep strike is "pick a point on the battlefield, put your melee deathstar there (dice willing)"
You can control where a unit advances through the map. But if the deepstrikes arrives when the reserve dice wants, and if it scattered where the scatter dice wanted, then it would be fair that the arriving unit charged (whatever the charge dice wanted, after it was Intercepted and Overwatched)

>>95866208
Since Line (X) is now a multiplier instead of a boolean (yes/no), you should totally be able to bring non-Line compulsory Inductii
Especially since there is no actual compulsory. I think they wouldn't get the Compulsory Bonus though, whatever it is now called.

>>95866523
Wip word bearer centurion with swappable packs

>>95867414
But I want yes to charges. And I'm willing to pay scatter for it. I thought you wanted no charges x.x

Seize the initiative staying the same is cancer

>>95867452
Alt pack if I’m not running a jump centurion

>>95867456
That's what I want too. I was just explaining what 1.0 was.

>>95866923
trying too hard

>>95867462
Oh. Yeee woohoo agreement :)

>>95866622
>Automata can't hold objectives
Ah. So it's going to be like that then.

>>95867460
I like the plasma pistol

Leakanon

Cover rules plz. I really need to know if vehicles can actually get a decent save in this edition

>>95866445
Thank you for posting, Anon!

Is it possible to post dreadnought/walker rules, and also the vehicle rules in full? Also do Unit Types and Sub-Types remain?

Holy shitballs it looks like night fight is completely gone. At least in all the core missions. Not even a rule for it

>>95867595

>>95867595
Sad. Really is the edition of shooting then

>>95867595
>:[ but they kept fucking seize

>>95867595
Melee bros we're reaching levels of over never believed possible

>>95866479
>10 meltaTSS onebang a Spartan

>>95867525
He doesnt have the fucking libers, how many times does this have to be said? If you want a hint at what vehicle saves are then look at the community page.

>2.0 WS chart still being used
>Knights are still WS4 base
Oh boy, my giant 400 point melee machine is gonna hit on 4s at best.

>>95867739
Are you retarded anon? Why would generic rules for how vehicles interact with cover not be in the main rulebook?

>>95867806
my bad, my nigger. i failed my reading comprehension save

>>95867517
Thanks, my excuse for running lc+ plasma if dual lc suck ass

For Luna, James?

>>95867850
No, those are Death Guard of course

>>95866523
How did you get the box so early? Are you the buttwhole GW twink?

>>95867850
>holstered bolters
me want

>>95866346
>that multi melta nigga using a combat shield
I see YOU

>>95867867
Anon, read the fucking thread

>>95867874
So his store got it, aiight

>>95867854
Too clean for that, DG are creamy not white white

>>95867850
>paint dirt onto feet
>panel line over the dirt

>>95866757
Painting those legs will be nightmare compared to the old overlapping plates

>>95867869
It's the nu-bolters tho...

>>95867922
Don't care

based and varnished, probably need to paint his melta lance with 3.0 melta strengths

>>95864475
Good to see you going strong loyalist RG bro

>>95866385
anyone with a working brain knows deepstriking 1" away within melta special range cannot be balanced. 40k players haven't "solved this by screening", 40k scatter instead was fixed so it's 9.1"+ away from enemy or you're not allowed to DS, with melta-guns being 18" range so 9.1" is never ever within half range if they teleport in.

HH3.0 rules are just 40k rules but worse balanceed, and 4.0 will finish the process in 3 years.

Maybe this isn't the correct thread to ask in, but I'm curious: how difficult is it do basic recasting? Are there any how-to-for-retards guides out there? I got a few forgeworld R&H kits from a recaster to make a militia allied detachment for my SoH, but even if I wanted to do a really basic allied detachment I would probably want like 40 bodies minimum, and frankly I don't feel like buying 40 bodies' worth of shit even at recaster prices. I figure if I could cast molds from the bits I currently have and just use them to make my own recasts, it would be a lot cheaper and quicker in the long run.

>Just 3d print bro
Haven't seen any STLs that match the look of the old forgeworld kits; if there is something floating around out there I'd be keen on that too.

>>95867977
try /wip/. I'm interested as well, but I just can't seem to find any silicone for making molds locally, and I can't be assed with imports.

>>95867977
it's neither cheap nor easy. Making a silicone mold for each body is expensive and requires practice and for good results carving air-holes/fill-holes and things. To do a whole unit would be several molds. To get less misprintings the better recasts probably also need a machine to shake the molds to get air loose and a vacuum chamber.

I've copied a dwarf cannon for WHFB once but the quality was not there for delicate soldiers and it was not something worth ever doing again with 3d printing existing. It'd be more convenient to create an STL in blender than to recast. Recasting is only a thing for people making 10,000 copies to sell for money, small batches are not worth the silicone and setup.

>>95867970
Deepstrike should scatter. Then everything is random, and random is fair

>>95867525
glancing hits ignore cover saves entirely FYI. For some reason penetrating hits still have to roll cover saves though.

Having your landraider 80% behind a wall provides exactly zero defense increase against 40 iron warriors krak missile spammers, but probably makes lascannons so-so.

>>95866445
Hello anon.
Could you share the rules for the primarch and walker unit type ?

>>95867977
i think there is a scan of the older vraks torso not sure if they are decent though. As alternative have you seen davik stuff?

>Discount shop I use only letting me put down for 2 boxes of quad mortars
>I need 3
God damn it.

I'm so close to finishing my army for a final 2.0 event, but I just can't be bothered.
All I need to do is base 3 terminators for a retinue, and finish off a land raider (Mostly weapons and weathering), but it just feels painful.

I want to have a unit that threatens the isolated enemy line unit sitting on other side of the table farming an objective.
Figure it needs to be decently shooty for the initial clearing, and then decently punchy for the retaliation Currently painting up 10 Ultramarine Veterans + a drop pod to do it. Going to load them out with 8 combi volkite and 2 special/heavy weapons. With the drop pod shooting their target unit and giving the squad +1 to hit, they'll probably wreck a 10 man squad's day.

What melee weapons should I then give them? What special weapons or heavy weapons do I go for? And is it worth trying to add in a Legion Harold centurion to give the unit Line?

I was thinking about getting into HH with 3.0. Almost all the feedback from HH content creators seems very negative so far though in regards to the rules? Would it be wise to wait and see what happens rather than buying age of darkness?

>>95868286
Content creators are retards, especially the Horus Heresy ones. All are terminally contrarian.
Black Briar Gaming is one of the exceptions. Never listen to O*ter C*rcle

>>95868363
>Almost all the feedback from HH content creators seems very negative
HH content creators are faggots who doomsay about everything. They will cry about "we need changes to X", and then when GW makes those changes they'll go "GW has no idea what they are doing; the game is dead". I can't blame them, it is the only way to keep up viewership really.

Buy an Age of Darkness box because the Spartan is a sick centrepiece model to have, and you'll almost certainly use a contemptor in a list sooner or later. 40 marines and 10 terminators are also great. 3.0 looks fine. There's some weirdness to it, like deep strike looking extremely gimped, but it looks like it'll be fun.

>>95868363
as someone that actually PLAYS heresy and organises multiple events each year, 3.0 is looking to be the best edition so far.
the only ones mad are powergamers who can't use their OP combos anymore and idiots who bitch about anything anyway (looking at you outer circle)

>>95868363
These are content creators.they will usually cry about a few things from time to time in hope that people watching them don't see them as the biggoted fanboys they really are.
They're here for the views and the likes. Nothing more, nothing less.
If anything, watch a 3.0 batrep once they come out and see for yourself.

>>95868363
there's no benefit to wasting money now instead of seeing just how trash it is.

I wonder how GW will manage to make Russ and the SW bonkers in this shooting third edition.

>>95868406
They get to double their setup move distance because uhhh uhhh wolves run and shit.

>>95867940
Plebian detected

>>95868391
>3.0 is looking to be the best edition so far
So much change like the revamp of the force org chart is not best edition material at all

>>95868363
Pick up a tactical squad box, paint it in the legion you want or do test models for different legions, wait until the rulebook drops, just read the leaks and take it from there. No rush.

What legion(s) do you like?

>>95868370
>>95868391
>>95868399
Mind you all of these people will shit the threads on how shit the new editions is

>>95868364
>>95868391
Outer Circle is right sometimes, but you cock goblin consoomers don't get that, you are spiritually Valrak.

>>95868445
I forgot that dickhead existed, thanks for reminding me so if i see him or majorkuck at the pub i'll glass them

>>95868418
and Dark Angels half because the lion sleeps tonight?

Whatcha working on, anon?

>>95868442
Blood Angels, Thousand Sons and Alpha Legion

>>95868363
Buy an age of darkness box now because they're about to get disappeared. Even with the rulebook you get a bunch of extra freebies in the box, it's about $200 cheaper than buying everything individually. Worst comes to worst you buy it then sell it if you drop the idea of starting heresy.

>>95868363
in the end it is just a game - enjoy the aspect you want to enjoy. You don't need to buy the rules and after buying 6th and 7th ed I will never buy a book from GW again that becomes toilet paper after a couple of months. So I would not suggest that anyways, no matter if the rules are good or bad quality.
There is always the option to play 1.0, 2.0 and One Page Rules with your models.

>>95868458
Centurion for my IW. He was originally going to be a Siege Breaker, but decided with the new rules I wanted a suite of dudes ready for the start of the ed.

>>95868472
>>95868458
Also put my Typhon together (still trying to figure out what sponsons I want to use) and 3 Apothecaries I got from a local 3d printer.

>>95868458
I love the guy on the right with the spear

>>95868478
Thanks anon, although it turns out the modern melee upgrades don't fit well with the old models (dunno if longer arms or a wider torso), so needed a bit of green stuff work.

Also the way the hands hold the spear are kinda retarded (imagine holding an oar, so working end facing down instead of up) which is why for the other one I just removed the hands entirely.

>>95868472
Looking good man

You think we'll get a Mkii command squad? Could mix bitz when the box comes out, but my autism won't let me use the Mkiii arms

>>95868445
valrak is also right sometimes, that doesn't change that both of them are retards.
but i'm sure if you simp hard enough you'll get some bathwater from him

>>95868439
force org is a retard filter, easily the best change.

>>95868363
it's quite telling that the one and only compliment about 3rd edition you'll hear is "it's so incredibly shitty that it makes most people quit"

When that's the one and only compliment you hear, you know it's time to find a different company to buy from.

The PHUCK you mean no charge out of deep strike and flanking assault? A buff to tanks? More shooting and D weapons?
RIP melee armies, this is bullshit.

>>95868458
After jumping between several projects, the new upcoming edition gave me the motivation to finish up my army. Currently working on the bases(they're still missing the snow)

>>95868458

Hoping to finish this somewhere in the following week. Have a mental block in regards to painting since February but 3.0 got me hooked in again.

>>95866479
>then if a wound is inflicted by that wound test
wait so breaching doesn't always succeed on the (x) value

>>95866650
that's good!

are there any basic detachment rules? or warlord traits? or any tables as in 2.0 (close combat to hit/to wound?)

>>95868458
Bought the 2e starter set the other week, currently working on some Dark Angels. Cannot for the life of me figure out how to do eyes right, especially on the terminators. Does everyone else just paint over mistakes for those or am I supposed to use a smaller brush?

>>95866516
PIstol seems scuffed if both weapons need the pistol rule to attack with both.

>>95866650
wait so aren't objectives basically worthless when you get double the points for one tactical marine on an objective compared to most of them?

>>95868458
Built a Night Lords sky-hunter sergeant that also works as hq on a jetbike

>>95868601
Using a smaller brush definitely helps but as with most things when it comes to painting you're very likely just gonna have to paint over mistakes. Try not to get too discouraged by having to correct stuff; painting stuff cleanly and neatly takes time, regardless of what painting videos might try to tell you otherwise.

>>95868594
breaching already doesn't auto-wound in 2E. Rending is the only one that auto-wounds. breaching is just a way of chance to get AP2.

>>95868363
Content creators or just The Outer Circle?

>leakanon dropsmost the rulebook
>radio silence
ask me how I know 99% of this general are nogames.

>>95868601
Just takes practice anon, you'll get there.

One thing I found for myself is I brace my elbows and/or hand on something so I don't shake around as much.

>>95868702
He exposed himself as a GW employee

>>95868702
Most of them are the same or we have seen before

>>95868458
working on a 20-man squad of dark angels tacs. was going for storm of war then 3.0 got announced but they'll probably be fine in the new game but ill wait and see before i do another blob. rest of the squad has robes/bling all over the shot and nerds said they should be vets but fuck it my dudes get bling

What size bases would fit rapiers?

>>95868702
I could not possibly care less what the details of mission #3 are because I will never be playing 3rd edition's garbage ruleset with moving lascannons, retarded deepstrike, broken melta and vehicle rules, gay challenge mini-game ruining melee along with 10 other melee nerfs and the nerfing of all existing units just to sell mandatory new shooty-edition-terminators and move-and-shoot rapier spamshit.

Hell, even if someone likes these new terrible rules, the 3 year churn means next edition will probably remove half the things you like, nerf half what you purchase, buff half the units you don't own, then make you spend $300 to get balanced once again. It's just warhammer 10th edition with templates temporarily un-removed.

>You can charge from rhinos but there's still anons bitching about melee being nerfed cuz you can't autocharge from deepstrike

>>95868930
Transports are gay.

>>95868918
'sup Macca, hope you can at least keep your youtube channel going

>>95867595
And they're mandating 3k point for all core missions regardless

Think the metallic green works for the forgelord?

>>95868898
Probably 40 or 50mm

>>95868971
that looks bad if you're asking

>>95867595
good, it was retarded when pretty much only SA and Militia do not have night vision in this setting.
NL tricks are for mortal meatbags.

>>95868918
You sound like your father touches you in your special places. Do you wanna share with the group?

it needs to be cleaned off but it can do a pretty effect if you ask me

>>95868971
It looks really good.

>>95868971
What paint is that?

do we know what base size saturnine termies will be on yet? considering getting some centurions to proxy

>>95868971
Maybe for AL, not for SoH.

This is a tasteful kitbash, and you managed to make the nuCSM body to not look out of place. But the head does not fit that collar.
It's a common problem, so I'd suggest you put a bald bionic eye dude head as a typical SoH would look.

>>95868944
You have something in common with them, then

So when are we getting plastic rapiers for the Solar Auxilia?

>>95868971
No, nut unless you're planning to really cover it in dirt and grime. The green is too bright and stands out too much.

>>95869069
In 2030

>>95868918
>nerf half what you purchase,
But we never "purchase" anon, we print.

>>95868702
We just want points values.
We do not care about the rest.
You cannot change a mission but you can change your list.

>>95869069
Just buy these and swap out the crew for solar aux tank crew

>>95868601
I use a small brush (I think the citadel equivalent is small layer brush), and basically lay it against the eye, rather than use the tip of it.
But yeah, lots of touch ups, too.

>>95868971
No, it looks more AL than SoH.

>>95869069
The SA rapiers came out in resin not too long ago but with how schizo the releases have been who knows, they might get re-released in plastic during early 3.0.

>>95869116
>>95869116

>>95869119
Make a new thread without the primaris slop you fucking nigger

>>95866810
Ignore that retard anon, it's just another antiprinting bootlicker trying to sow FUD, same as the
>If you open a bottle of printing resin within 500 metres of a populated area everyone will DIE of MEGACANCER
faggotry. Or else they're just a cheapskate who bought the trashiest chinkresin they could find on aliex and now need to find excuses for why their prints are shit other than their own idiocy.

Do you play your games outdoors under the high sun of an Australian summer? No, you play them indoors, probably in rooms with artificial lighting, and you store your minis in boxes(I'm assuming the rare person who puts their models on display at home is intelligent enough to have applied museum-grade anti-UV film to the glass). Normal paint & varnish is more than sufficient protection, especially if you're using decent resin.

>>95868445
Valrak may have turned me off of the Imperial Fists as a legion because of his smug ass personality but The Outer Circle is just a salt miner. If he finds a gem of truth while digging his hole it's by accident.

>>95868918

>>95868702
Becuase there's just as much bad as there is good with a smattering of "different but perhaps for the best?". This is not a new edition of 30k, it's a new edition of a proprietary game that uses 30k models. It's a large departure and without army rules to see if the flavor still exists we can't make a final judgement.

>>95868700
I've never understood why anons hate Macca so much. Half of what we do is bitch about the game.

>>95870352
all y*utubers must fucking hang
except for mechanid <3