Soul Wars edition

>Previously in the Mortal Realms:
>>95841584

>Official AoS website:
https://www.ageofsigmar.com

>Downloads, Rules Errata and FAQs:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/

>Tools
Warscroll Maker: https://lordbaconbane.github.io/aoswarscrollcreator/
List Builder: https://www.newrecruit.eu/
Army Reminders: https://aosbattleorders.co.uk/

>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:
https://aosg.github.io/

>Thread question:
Do you expect GW will do anything special to mark the game's 10-year anniversary?

>>95864365 (OP)
>TQ
I don’t expect much more than a filler post on the day of with some dumb shit like “10 facts for 10 years of Age of Sigmar!”
It would be nice to get something, though.

>>95864365 (OP)
I expect a short run of a dual spearhead box, like the warcry sets, that's reminiscent of the mighty battles box set or the starters that accompanied it. Probably nothing new in them, but who knows maybe we get a khorgaroth refresh or something

dorf story

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>>95864574

>>95864579

>>95864559
Is that TOW art they're using? What is going on at GW

So….is Sigmar now officially out of steam / forward momentum? The Stormcast turned out to be a lot less game-changing than originally thought didn’t they? Is the only reason why they haven’t been rolled by Chaos in combination with the million other threats is because Archaon is permenantly somewhere besides the frontlines?

>>95864627
>last edition wanking on and on about Sigmar's dudes going out to build settlements
>this edition starts with Sacriscant going back to Azyr because they are no longer needed on the front lines
Yes Chaosbro. We'll take back the stolen land any day now.
Trust the plan!

>>95864627
GW world building has always been pic related

>>95864574
BONESPLITTERZ MENTIONED lmao

>>95864627
Literally the whole idea behind Stormcast exisiting is that by splitting Sigmar's essence across whole armies he counters Archaon who can't be everywhere at once and countering 1 invasion will lead to him losing 6 others

>>95864759
I mean, they do still exist, They're just NPC tier

>>95864365 (OP)
>tq
Did they even do anything for warhammer 's 40 years anniversary ? I was kind of out of the hobby back then. Im expecting some retrospective articles and stuff, but not much for the actual game. Always a possibility of course, but with gw it's a bad idea to keep your hopes up.
>>95864785
Zamn hedkrakka looks like THAT ?!

Oh right this was also a thing.

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>>95864868

I don’t think the new Cathay models have the proportions to fit in as anything in Aos. They look blocky.

>>95864949
You can proxy them as ghouls, chinks are already dysgenic canibals

Wasnt this supposed to be our year? Why are we so fucking dead so soon after a new edition launch?

>>95865110
5 battetomes stuck in a pipeline

>>95864785
Not really, official lore said they basically fought to the death or left the realms? Did you not read the new faction pack?

>>95865148
It said they traveled to the edges, not left the realms.
How the fuck would they even leave, in stole temple ships?

>>95865169
The chaotic laws of nature are wrong edge of the realms, never to return
You're delusional. The Dispossessed story is old is all, BL stuff is always delayed

>finally get my darkoath spearhead
>prep all the bases and then start building the models
>warqueen looks WAY better in person than on GWs site, actually a very cool model.
>get to the savagers
>cool leader dude, cool claw dude, the hag is fun
>then get to the first beefy girl
RIGHT in the fucking fetish. Holy fuck, I'm going to have trouble putting these on the table without a boner.

>>95865183
Nigga GW jsut wrote an excuse to say why they aren't showing up in the story.
You're the one reading way too much into it and headcanoning nonsens

>>95865201
Warqueen has always been a good model

>>95865222
The paintjob on GW's site does her no favors though.

>>95865205
GW explicitly wrote that all the Bonesplitterz left or perished fighting Skaven
Cope faggot

>>95865282
left to where?

>>95865389
to the realms' perimeter

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>>95865683
For the lorelets

>>95865727
Ya but the above lore said the boyz got stuck in smashin and krumpin the weird magic things so it’s all good :D

>>95864627
Considering there's non-chaos civilization on every single realm now that didn't exist 200 years ago in lore, I think it made a difference

>>95865877
Point is, the WD novella isn't contemporary if all the Bonesplitterz are mucking around at the realms' edge. It's obviously not indicative of GW's intentions given Dispossessed are getting squatted as we know them

Why do some many vampires have shit hair?
Why is his armour so light compared to blood knights?
Feel like we got monkey-pawed with this one.

>>95866198
>Why do some many vampires have shit hair?
Because if they have good hair they get mistaken for dark elves
>Why is his armour so light compared to blood knights?
because gw sculptors can no longer design functional armors so the only way to give armored models some poses is to remove their armor


>Feel like we got monkey-pawed with this one.
It's way more than you ever deserved, you filthy fanggot.

>>95866212
Cry more boneslave.

>>95866198
Pretty sure they just based the whole range on picrel and ignored the intention behind the gesture

>>95864627
Stormcast don’t sell very well so they don’t do very well. If you wanted them to be game changers you should have bought them instead of your fourth marine chapter

>>95866198
Vampires are suppsed to be visualy distinct from humans. Weird hair is one of the ways to make them stand out

Anything added to the Fyreslayer rumours?

>>95864479
This would be a cute idea. They could easily do a little battlebox with a handful of the sprues from the og box

>>95866431
I heard that the new ones are wearing shoes

>>95866431
>Vulcatran Flamespeaker
>Magmatic Mistics
>Lavahold Axethrower

>>95864365 (OP)
Gentlemen, I'm at an impass. I've been doing a lot of conversions and kitbashing in 40k and I need a break. I got the StD Spearhead originally with the intention of going maximum edge like the boxart; black armor, red capes, the whole thing.

But do I pivot and use the Faraam Set as my reference instead? Its my favorite Dark Souls armor set and I always wanted to paint something in its style. Would this look stupid surrounding Belakor? I want to keep him as a spooky shadowman, maybe turn his sword onto the colors of the cloth?

>>95866994
>Faraam enjoyer
Your taste is based enough to override my despising of having to play against Be'lakor. It'll be tough to match that nice green with him, though.

>>95866789
ngl I can see all of those working
>Vulcatran Flamespeaker
cheaper support caster on a smaller Magmadroth or other lava beasty. Filling the middle ground between the magmadroth kit and the dozens of foot heroes
>Magmatic Mistics
a unit of dudes who just got super hopped up on runes but instead of exploding or dying like normal they had some visions of Grimnir and are now like weird magma mutants
>Lavahold Axethrower
OK but it's not like the TOW axe thrower. Instead of throwing lots of little axes, it throws one big axe. Like the Beast-Skewer Killbow or the Ironweld Great Cannon

>>95866994
>Belakor? I want to keep him as a spooky shadowman
Easy. Start with black and then do a few layers of highlight building up to that shade of blueish green. So he'll still read as black visually while still having the colors of the guys. Hell, a drybrush of Incubi Darkness would get you half the way there by itself.

>>95867101
I love this color so damn much. Extremely dark colors are always great for shading and transitions.

>>95867101
I don't think Incubi darkness is the color he wants. He should look at Lupercal Green. Incubi Darkness is such an inconsistent color from GW, it's insane. It usually ends up more greenish denim color. Pic related is Incubi on the left and Lupercal on the right. Incubi could work as the shadow color, though.
>>95867122
I do too, but the inconsistency in color from pot to pot I've experienced was ridiculous.

>>95864949
Meow Ying looks like one of those chinsy pewter dragons you see in a $2 shop

>>95866789
I want to see them do something similiar to Kruleboyz, give them a menagerie of fire creatures, also give them an incarnate avatar of Grimnir and a model for Bael Grimnir on a massive Magmadroth

Would a kind anon be able to share the previous Blades Of Khorne book? I'd like to try them out using World Eaters to proxy.

If you'd also share the Darkoath tome, I'll tell the dark gods all about how cool you are.

>>95867101
>>95867051
>>95867155

Well, it didn't take long, but it seems the choice is clear. It's time to get started.

>>95867225
The most up to date rules are in the index, unless you're playing 3rd edition?
Here's the currently playable BoK document.
https://assets.warhammer-community.com/eng_aos_faction_pack_blades_of_khorne_dec24-xuktexadxk-bm80fxqhdd.pdf

So now that the dust has settled, does All Out Attack now making the attacking unit have a -1 to saves for the rest of the turn fix AoS?

>>95867262
It certainly frees up the CP budget and makes it more of a choice to use it. Having AoD on one activation only is also nice because now you can plan activations around it and make your opponent choose to take full damage from less important units and try to bolster against a late big fighter or pop it early.

>>95865940
Because they aren't all doing that, lots of them are which is the justification for why they're not a tabletop-level army anymore but as you can see from the image that one is a reply to, there's also a ton of them doing other things in other places (i.e specifically a huge amount in the main place the conflicts of this edition are happening). It's the same as BoC and Sacrosanct where there's an explanation for why there's suddenly a ton less of them around than there used to be, but they're explicitly still around and doing stuff

How low is Chaos-controlled society, really? Are they actually are Mad Max barbarian-level nomadic or barely agrarian societies? There may certainly be such types, but there’s no more advanced societies, ie, in service to Tzeentch for example, kingdoms / empires which are tributaries to the Eightpoints, etc?

>>95867101
just a heads up incubi darkness is much darker than that swatch

look into the proacryl jade/dark jade colors and you may find something similar, or possibly the warpaint fanatic teals or turquoises

>>95867262
no, it was a lopsided nerf to destruction and shooting, but the other grand alliances can make due without it, and generally in most armies the units you were using it on were (and still are) hitting so hard that there was no clap back anyways

also just fyi, shooting is basically off the table for the rest of this season

Do these look too small to be used as chaos spawn?

>>95867164
It blows my mind TWW people were calling this cool. That is not a good looking dragon.

>>95867547
I actually have like half of these already. I've been really enjoying Fanatic paints, I dont know why people are so asspained about AP nowadays.

What colors do horses come in?

>>95867612
There are plenty of ways to give CoS shooting a +1 to hit or rerolls that doesn’t require AoA

Anyone got any ideas on how I could repose this thing? I'm trying to screw around with it to have something riding on it's back but this pose is just fucking goofy.

How much more stupid would it be on a flight stand?

>>95867768
Isn’t the middle head optional? Maybe that would give you some leeway?
>flight stand
Please be creative with it and don’t get an acrylic flight stand. Those are garbage, both aesthetically and from a support standpoint.

>>95867784
Well the middle head I'm gonna be replacing with the spare vulture head from the Kruleboss (the intention i'm going for here is making him a little seat, chaining it to the chimera then figuring out how to make this look balanced)

>>95867768
I think the easiest thing to do would be to have it's front legs up on a rock. So it's not in that weird midleap pose, it's like climbing a mountain and just got to an impressive vantage point. That would work with the heads all looking in different directions too, like it's surveying an army arrayed below it.
Also would make the kit less likely to break during transport

I dunno, that's the best I got.

>>95867747
No one who works for the AoS team has ever seen a horse so they couldn't tell you

>>95867799
I'm going to paint my second Freeguild Cavalier and I painted the first one brown and now I'm out of horse colors.

>>95867805
White, black, brown, grey, and ginger. Maybe you could even justify painting them blue and say that it bloo itself.

>>95867401
I’m not quite sure exactly what you’re asking for here, if you mean if there are advanced chaos empires in the mortal realms, then kinda no. At least from what I’m aware of, Khorne is probably the only one with notable territory, although I’ve never looked into tzeentchs domains in chamon, and I don’t think nurgle exactly has an empire in ghyran, rather more a…. Corner, I suppose. Also I’m not at all interested in slaanesh so that’s out of my field of view, I can tell you that maybe THE FUCKING CHAOS SOULBOUND BOOK THATS SUPPOSED TOMCOME THIS SUMMER WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IN A MORE SATISFACTORY MANNER WHENEVER THE FUCK IT GETS ANNOUNCED FOR FUCKS SAKE.

I swear to god half that book was developed solely to beastmen and the cutting made them scrap the entire damn thing, that’s the only explanation at this point.

>>95867865
Slaanesh and Tzeentch tend to prefer cults in existing societies. It's just more thematic for both of them.

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>>95867876
Nurgle has a significant fiefdom the Blighted Duchies that the Order of the Fly is based out of. Led by the Lady of Cankerwall. It seemed like a fairly advanced medieval-type society.

Chorfs are going to expand on theridons aren’t they

>>95868366
No? They seem pretty firmly slaves to darkness based outside of the one silver tower guy, their whole deal is archaon giving them shelter in exchange for working for him after they abandoned gorkamorka. It’d be bizarre if they turned around and just made them be the chorf’s hobgoblin equivalent. The current kits even have a bunch of monogod themed customization options

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>>95867628
I have no idea what scale this is. But the middle thing might work

>>95867799
Don't make me post the chart again.

>>95868366
there was originally a much bigger plan for beasts/theridons but im pretty sure that was scrapped when old world stole beasts of chaos and the aos team had to rewrite and rebrand all the units that were going to be a part of it

my suspicion is that kragnos was originally supposed to be the new BoC faction leader, while theridons were going to be the bullgor redesign, but when old world convinced the higher ups to let them steal beasts from aos they had to pivot and try to erase the connective tissue in the sculpts and change the story, though you can still see quite a bit of it in the face/horns/mohawks and the fact that kragnos has chaos spines similar to like the varanguard mounts, and also shares some design elements with the warcry centurion like being a centaur with big jutting horns.

i dont care what anyone else says, there are too many similarities, especially in the faces of kragnos and the theridons which are virtually identical and the fact that kragnos is completely out of place amongst any of the destruction factions, sharing zero aesthetic with any of them and a great deal of aesthetic with chaos and beasts

>>95868473
like come on, you cant tell me this wasnt meant to be a single cohesive launch. they just removed all the chaos iconography that would have been on kragnos's armor and replaced it with random gobbledy gook that doesnt relate to any other destruction army to try to hide his origins as a chaos model, which if you know anything about zbrush and subtools/sculpt layers is very easy to do without having to remake the underlying model and anatomy. but you can tell, the DNA is still there

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>>95868473
that's sameface syndrome and creative bankruptcy, not a sign of a different plan

>>95868533
same face....same beards with beard clasps....same small pointy bulldog ears with earrings.....same scrunched nose with nose ring......same mohawks that run down the back of the neck....same quad horns with 2 prominent horns on top and 2 smaller horns on the side

but yeah, im sure im just imagining it

>>95868499
the myrmidon was released 6 years ago and is a development of the thaumaturge released 9 years ago
the theridons are a continuation of the myrmidon and released 2 years after kragnos, 2 years ago

the centaur has nothing in common aside for being a centaur, and at that point you might as well include the dragon ogres, the centigors, the kurnothi and bull centaurs, since you're obviously dragging things years and years apart

>>95868473
Nigga we already went over this, by the time Kragnoss started development Ogroids were already canon destruction monsters and Whitfang specifically said you're wrong and Kragnoss was never ment to have anything to do with BOC.
How many times are you going to repeat this retardation?

>>95868554
whitefang has been wrong before, his word is not gospel, and he and vince might even be in on the psy op

>>95868551
considering GW product lines have a 5 year lead time from conception to shelves the timeline isnt as off as you think it is

>>95868563
>considering GW product lines have a 5 year lead time from conception to shelves the timeline isnt as off as you think it is
It's 2-3 years not 5

If it was 5 years they would be designing Thunderstrike years before Sacroscant released

>>95868563
>5 year lead time
that's for huge model ranges that see problems in production, most things take 3 years or less, some small releases have been said to take even just one month.

What does a brawl-y Nurgle army look like? I feel like 10 blightkings are standard but 15 is too many. Are the lord of blights and plagues worth taking? How about Gutrot spume? I have a glottkin but no GUO. I know the GUO is super strong but if wanted more magic would it be bad to run a rot bringer sorcerer?

I have like 3 fly guys and a lots of afflictions that I wanted to use too. Are plaguebearers mandatory for the screening? Should I run 10 or 20?

>>95868626
>lots of afflictions

Meant to say lord of afflictions. He’s like a 200 point hero that gives charge bonuses but I feel like flies should be used for objectives and maneuvering

>>95868366
Why would they?

>>95868473
People parrot this stupid shit all the time despite Kragnos being designed long after the ogroids were a well established chaos thing (Kragnos foreshadowed in call of the everchosen as a non-chaos thing), and the Kruleboyz specifically being made to integrate his design elements/imagery into their shit. Their shields are literally his face

I think Greywater should get a ex-Wanderer character born during Age of Chaos who just fucking hates trees for chasing him away for most of his life and now relishes in city's enviromental damage

>>95868626
the fun part of list building is that you can do whatever you want :)

>>95868563
>whitefang has been wrong before
name one

>>95868473
The Beast plan never changed, they're getting refreshed later.
>>95868499
>if you edit the model you can make him fit with Chaos!
You sre schizo

>>95868671
I really love this heraldry series of artwork they did for the CoS. This one, misthavn and especially lethis are my favourites.

I'm so sick of the Kragnos is secretly a beast-nigger conspiracy

>>95868710
You've got a picture of all of them?

>>95868691
REDESIGNED FYRESLAYERS VS REDESIGNED GAVESPAWNS FOR 5TH EDITION STARTER SET

>>95867262
Where was this changed?

>>95868719
I'm so sick of Kragnos too

>>95868626
i know its been a few months but some guy took one of the top 3 podiums at a 300 man event with 20 blightkings, a maggotlord and glotkin. thats about as much of a brawl as you can get. i dont think anything has been nerfed since then so it should still work

>>95867401
There's a bunch of kingdoms, city-states and empires under the control of chaos, but they're outnumbered by the various tribal peoples that worship chaos all across the realms. A bunch of the warcry warbands are from places specifically like that, the Cyper Lords are from a society secretly run by chaos worshippers, the Iron Golem are an empire of forge-cities, Carngard is a semi-stable permanent settlement in the eightpoints, Hel's Claw (or helcrown?) used to be a khornate city until it was off-screen taken by order just so it could get blown up by skaven, there's even the Jafe Obelisk's city-state in ghur.

There's tons of them and 2/3e battletomes for chaos factions tended to talk about random ones a lot. They're brutal and often a little shaky without some specific warlord or daemon that enforces stability, but they're very common and exist everywhere.

>>95868726
Just search for cities of sigmar coat of arms and you'll find them. Here's lethis.

>>95868772
I know, but i was hoping there's a graphic with them all together and hopefully not in a phone photo quality

Is a dino heavy Seraphon list valid or are you just screwing yourself by taking less magic?

>>95867401
Khorne dominates tribal society but the rest of the god's majority of fallen are non tribal

>>95868999
Khorne is the only god with named characters who are detectors from Azyrite society
Based retard

>>95867353
Bonesplitterz fluff explicitly states they're out of sight or fucking dead. There's no possibility for Bonesplitterz to be harassing Duardin in Ghur getting drunk on stolen ale you fucking retard.
The stories are old, Dispossessed probably won't exist in the fluff as they do for much longer either. GW have a limited production run for books to maximise fomo. Releases lag. Abraxia,Yndrasta, etc all released with a tie-in novel only coming a year later.

>>95869022
>Bonesplitterz fluff explicitly states they're out of sight or fucking dead.
Some aren't, just the majority.

>>95868789
Oh in that case sorry anon, I think you gotta get your hands on a CoS battletome for that. At least that's where i think the images are from.
>>95868837
Monsters are kind of eh this edition, I think it'll be a challenge. You can ask lustria online, they'll probably be able to help you out more than anons on here

>>95869022
It does kinda unfortunately feel like GW is pushing these stories out now just to get them done before they formally remove Dispossessed after the next CoS tome drops.

The fact that these stories are set in Ghur is another indicator of that, 4E has moved on to Aqashy/Skaven/Ghyran as their meta setting, this increasingly feels like a 3E remnant that was meant to be published a lot sooner than it was.

>>95867654

Like most GW models, I think it will look so much better in person. Pictures just don't make justice to the pose.

>>95869022
You look like a fucking moron when you could click up two or three posts and literally see an excerpt talking about how one of the major subfactions are hanging out in the middle of Aqysh, and have the ability to go read the free downloadable text that overtly says they aren’t all off in the middle of nowhere. This isn’t even arcane information, people are talking about sources that’re posted in the thread and you’re screaming not to believe their lying eyes

>>95869049
All the grombrindal novels have been written in this way, where a bunch of the individual stories are in WDs before the book comes out. The last one was spread across a ton of realms, this one is definitely going to be the same

>>95867654
It's decent compare to all the wfb dragons, except... it isn't a dragon, it's a drake

after some games with the new ghb, all I can say is that this game is doomed until 5th if it ever gets there

the new battle tactics are fucking awful and every single game so far has been the same fucking flowchart without any strategy

>>95869355
Are you the same guy as the horse guy, because if not your soulmate is posting in here

>>95868563
> Vince and Whitefang Kragnos psyop
The schizo runs deep

>>95869337
The Grombrindal stories were disconnected stories about different characters across the realms connected by the White Dwarf showing up to help

This is a series of stories about a specific Dispossessed Dwarf named Albarak who lives in Ghur and his path to fame. (with some help from Grombrindal with each trial) It will absolutely remain rooted in Ghur throughout.

>>95869355
that's like saying snakes aren't tetrapods.

>>95869332
Where in Aqshy? I've always stated that the dichotomy was out of sight or dead, they died fighting Skaven as the text clearly states unless some random Bonesplitterz can best the feats of Gorkamorka and defeat the unambiguous big bad of the edition defined by their supremacy over everything

>>95869547
For what it's worth, I think the "fighting Skaven" bit was less about the Bonesplitters dying and more giving them a reason to still be playable for another year as the diehard clans remained to do battle with the edition big-bad.

>>95868758
>20 blightkings
Thanks for this. 20 blightkings sounds based as hell. is this the best coast pairings? I’ve tried to navigate it but I ever get is 40k stuff or results. Sorry if this is a brianlet question but how do I see the most recent AoS data? I’m not trying to net list or meta chase but I just want to get an idea of how people use certain characters and find synergistic interactions

>>95869359
So did you win ‘em?

>>95864627
Sigmar ran out of momentum during the soul wars ever since that Order has been collectively getting its ass handed to it. Only a few (Aelves) have made any gains but they’re also starting to lose their steam. Chaos is still ascendant even more so with the skavendoom

>>95867654
It absolutely is the fuck

>>95868726

>>95869869
People are just ready to hate on anything TOW, especially anything new and “soulless”. Cathay stuff is all heaters. Can’t wait to see people turn them into CoS, too.

>>95867654
I think its a cool looking dragon. Its problem is that its not matching the Warhammer Fantasy style at all. It would look out of place in AoS too, but in fantasy, it really has no right to exist. But again, its a cool looking "asian style" dragon miniature, with a nice pose and nice details, if looked at it individually. Just not for ToW/Whfb at all.

>>95869954
What do you think is the Warhammer fantasy style? Does the carnosaur fit the style?

>>95864949
Better Cities of Sigmar minis than the current Cities of Sigmar minis.

>>95869959
Most big monsters released during End Times look odd.

>>95869954
Bro Warhammer has always had serpentine asian inspired dragons

>>95867628
Most of them, yes. The big one might be okay.

>>95869355
No, it is a dragon. In WHFB, dragons are four limbed and if they have wings they are separate (for example, Toad Dragon is a dragon but has no wings). That's the only criteria (for example, wyverns are stated in 8th edition to be mistaken for dragons but the difference is they lack forelimbs). There isn't a single model bar the now removed Zombie Dragon (and the first two Zombie Dragons had four limbs and separate wings). In AoS, GW uses every alternate word bar dragon (Black Dragon will eventually be removed, wasn't even included in Kragnos' special rules). So drakes, wyrms, draconith etc.

Any idea what I could proxy these guys for ? Friend is looking to get rid of them and I'm thinking about picking them up, I usually don't care much for demons but these guys look fucking rad. I'll probably just have them as a painting project for a while but I might try and build a small army around them later down the line.

>>95870025
Some really fucked up Ogoroids. They’re on 50mm bases.

>>95869975
>nagash, morghasts, mortarchs
>glottkin, maggot lords
>verminlords, boneripped, stormfiends
>bloodthirsters
which one exactly?

>>95870025
Khorgaroth?

>>95870025
theridons if slaves to darkness
bloodcrushers if blades of khorne

>>95870006
>In WHFB, dragons are four limbed
except when they aren't

>>95870006
>In WHFB, dragons are four limbed
Retard

we can at least admit the old vampire count dragon wasnt an actual dragon right

>>95869871
>settler’s gain
>greywater fastness
>THE living city

Such cool names. Idk why people hate the mudcore part of cos

>>95870025
These look like khorgorath stand ins or chaos spawn. Maybe the new wilderfiend. Like another anon mentioned, you can easily make them into ogroids. Maybe the Ogor gorgers if you can find more for a full squad

>>95870162
no, it was definitely a dragon.

>>95869871
Thx

>>95870158
He thinks wings aren't limbs.

>>95870162
It's still a zombie dragon in FEC for now

>>95867628
Does AoS have Forsaken? The smaller ones might be good for that.

>>95869496
>The Grombrindal stories were disconnected stories about different characters across the realms connected by the White Dwarf showing up to help

That was true of the first novel, the second one was the same initially but wove together the different indepdent stories into a wider one as the characters came together and a larger plot unfolded. This will obviously be the same and not an entire novel of tales being told about a single ghurish disposessed clan, the framing device of it being told to a third party who needs to be introduced to the clan makes it sort of self evident.

We can also be real and not pretend the settings of BL novels are at all relevant to the focus of the starting events of an edition, while also not pretending like there’s any signs the disposessed are going anywhere given they’re in fucking everything and overtly present in every CoS-related thing.

>>95869547
The gnaw, >>95865683 is literally the first comment in this chain and half the image is specifically about this, what are you doing

>>95870225
Yeah, in Skaven's home turf.
They're dead

>>95870269
They’re orks that’s literally what they were built to do

>>95870211
No

>>95870269
Everyone is there, it’s the setting of the start of 4e? Shifting the goalpost from “they’re all at the edge of the realm not hanging out anywhere that matters” to “uhhh this example of them doing that doesn’t matter because they’re actually all dead” is ridiculous

>Mfw got the first edition starter set for 55 bucks
I already have a shit ton of Fatcasts but the Khorne half will make a decent start for an army unless all the heroes are getting axed in the new book.

>>95870422
anon, I...

>>95869779
Woehammer posts event results and meta breakdowns. Their stuff isn't always quite as up to date as best coast but it's free and easy to read and you don't need an account or anything

>>95870212
>This will obviously be the same and not an entire novel of tales being told about a single ghurish disposessed clan
This is desperate cope.

>>95870439
What's getting axed? Mighty Lord of Khorne, Khorgorath, Bloodstoker AND Bloodsecrator?

>>95870055
>>95870084
>>95870068
>>95870167
Yeah khorgaroth was my first instinct too, ogroid stuff is not a bad idea. I'm not that interested in StD or khorne at the moment, so we'll see. The gorger idea is interesting, I do really like the ogres and the gorger warcry band is not my favourite, so you might be on to something...
Anyway thanks for all the advice anons!

>>95870725

Any of the new Spearheads good?

>>95869871
Living City the only City confirmed to have babes

>>95871037
Ogors a strict downgrade
Bonereapers better as a single box, less good as a buy two to fill out the core of your army box but still probably an upgrade
Cities of Sigmar a sidegrade
Seraphon a strict downgrade, but the Hunters of Huanchi are very cute so it's hard to be mad

>>95871052
Do NOT trust ghyran women.

>>95870728
Lorai mentioned!

>>95870725
>>95870728
Would be nice if they start doing this for more characters like Katakros, Glutos, Gordrakk, Volturnos, Lyrior, etc. Would help people actually like some characters beyond their rules.

>>95871096
>Cities of Sigmar a sidegrade
What would you say is the difference between them? Is one faster, more ranged or sth.?

>>95871322
The old one is almost entirely melee, with your basic melee troops, your basic cavalry, and a cavalry hero. And a big cannon.

The new one is almost entirely ranged with your basic shooting troops, your shooting hero, and a support wizard. Plus a melee scout unit.

They're both pretty low points value, the second box is probably going to be better in games of Spearhead because it doesn't have the big cannon you need to protect, but the first box is more of a buy two to fill out the core of your army box.

Ironically they work great together, you get almost the full range of human Cities stuff between them.

>>95871366
shoot forgot pic

>>95871037
>>95871096

The new Idoneth one looks eildt

>>95871096
>but the hunters of huanchi are very cute so it's hard to be mad
Love those little fuckers like you wouldn't believe

>>95871371
God the steelhelms were such a miss. Shitty bibs, shitty helmets, over-designed shields for chaff.
I hope they get some sort of greatsword equivalent that's made out of fit fighting men with better armour instead of the denizens of the local pub.

>>95871439
It's definitely better for starting an army. But Any Idoneth player is already going to have a ton of eels, and frankly were really hoping that a ton of eels would stop being the only good way to play the army.

It's a strictly better box, but it's not what Idoneth players were hoping for.

>>95871473
>instead of the denizens of the local pub.
fuck you. This guy is one of the best infantry models GW has ever made

>>95871473
>>95871497
Mhyea I see what you are saying, even though I do like some of the 'bumbling retard' militia members they have like in the pic.
>greatsword esque unit
The arch knight is just *begging* to be turned into a full unit. Once the dorf part of cos inevitably leaves the range they'll really need that type of bruiser melee damn dealer unit too.

>>95867155
>>95867242
Lupercal Green is one of the worst GW paints I've worked with in a while. Terrible coverage and finish.

>>95871522
Arch-Knights for heavy hitting durable infantry, crazed Cult of the Wheel flagellants for heavy hitting fragile infantry

Do night haunt respawn after…er, death?

>>95871708
no, but ghosts aren't exactly easy to kill

>>95870725
>>95870728
This genuinely is worse than useless as a guide to these characters and keeps a bunch of just commonly known details about them that aren’t “reveals” in the show or novels as like nebulously described secrets, depriving you of knowing literally anything at all about them, what they do, or even what their general deal is.

Also incredibly funny that they accidentallly put the cover of Blacktalon: First Mark, maybe the only book in all of aos to have been totally retconned and no longer being canon as Neave is 1000% a different character now, instead of the new blacktalon book that mostly just retreads the character arcs of the first season of the show but does it infinitely better.

Played a couple of 4ed games and man it was boring as shit. Everyone has a 3+ save, 1- rend, flavorful rules are all gutted, everyone just deals D3 mortal wounds. Literally babbus first wargaming, absolute embarassment.

>>95871708
Yes they do, unless you destroy whatever mortal remains they’re tethered to or completely dispel them in some way

>>95871254
They do that all the time in WD

Idoneth preorder next week or are we still in Horus Heresy territory?

>>95871771
GW made the normal looks shitty in order to make you try spearhead, because GW eventually wants to turn spearhead into the normal game so they can sell you boxed deals for near-fixed lists as well as overpriced decks of cards too.

>>95871806
next week is the first chunks of chinks

>>95871771
>everyone has a 3+ save

not really. most of destruction except ironjawz is 5+, half the order armies are 4+ or worse, death is full of 5+ or 6+ mooks, DoT is mostly 5+ saves, seraphon mostly 4+.

could just be that you went against a selection of heavily armored factions

>starting to want to own a cities army
I don’t fucking now why, buts it’s appealing to me. Maybe I can find someone willing to trade my warriors of chaos army for a spearhead or something.

>>95871542
Really? I found it damn nice. I can see a little bit of the coverage issue for basecoats, but for that anon if he layers it over incubi, he shouldn't have any coverage issues.

>>95872093
Let me disuade you.
>Cost is highest of all factions, especially since its point costs were base-delta-zeroed over the course of 3 sets of battlescroll "buffs"
>Combo boxes barely give any points
>New refreshed minis are almost universally terrible or underpowered
>Long road to Battletome that might double-down on the swarmy horde gameplay
>Army takes up a lot of space
If you wanna know how bad it is, I got old spearhead and the battleforce box and its sub 1.5k. Even if I would get the new spearhead, I'd still be like 400pts bellow 2k.

>>95871806
Cathay next week. You’ll get your pity hero and wave attached to Cathay wave 2 in July, maybe.

Working on a horse

>>95872377
At this point I thing towfags only care about Cathay to raid AoS threads, despite the board being shat up by your quetching about how personally you hate Cathay aesthetically and lore wise.

>>95872366
don't be a coward

Does anyone have a pdf of the Darkoath book from before they got rolled into mr Slaves? They seem fun to read about.

>>95872691
>Darkoath book from before they got rolled into mr Slaves?
Not a thing, unless you mean this
https://gofile.io/d/1IzME2

>>95872667
That or these are falseflags to further fuel the animosity. I'm still getting Cathay because the minis are great and I'm gonna spam the fuck out of /wfg/ with minis once I start painting them

>>95872746
let me guess
>jade lancers
>not painted as jade

On the topic of the old world, how is Kul being turned into the Horus of warhammer fantasy?

I know in older editions they had him desribed as a half daemon or tried killing a ice goddess in prague.

>>95872768
I haven't decided yet :^)

>>95872768
You got a lot of options for Jade

>>95872724
Thank you. God damn, the whole thing is 28 pages?

>>95872911
yeah it's a supplement, not a full Battletome.

Also they didn't bother coming up with alternate color schemes

>>95872667
Yeah I have to assume they're just projecting that we're seething about it when the reality is that AoS fans are probably more interested in Cathay than WHFB fans are on average.

>>95871473
I liked building them, the wide variety of heads and arms were fun and you can mostly avoid having any femoids

>>95872991
Yeah I was skeptical of the Steelhelm kit at first, but they're actually pretty fun/easy to build and paint. Not my favorite unit in the world but not bad either.

>>95872979
Meh, most other places seem pretty excited about cathay, it's only on here that wfg and the larger board are throwing a fit.
Cathay will be a good test for tow, see if the game can expand beyond nostalgiabait. Hype doesn't always translate to people actually buying models though, see for example tomb king refresh in 8th edition, or squats coming back to 40k. I do wish them the best though.

>>95872093
If you like how the human models look, then yeah go for it
They're not a cheap army and will have lots of models (or a lot of cavalry), and they do play a certain way which if you don't like watching most of your army die, you may not be into
But they do okay WR % wise and I personally like having so many shields and flags to paint, makes the army have a real aura when deployed

>>95873010
If they had a halberd version I would have loved them, but otherwise maybe some more dynamic posing would have helped

Granted, them looking like a mob of lost, drunk guys is pretty in character

>>95871771
So they can’t driving the game into the pit of casual gaming? Oh well, I guess it’s inevitable with the competency crisis setting in at WG.

>>95871771
Did you unironically play slaves to darkness against stormcast or something

>>95873010
for me i dont like how literally all of them have different weapons, i feel cities are bit more established at this point, they are surely past scavenging for weapons so they should be more uniform

>>95873203
I like the variance, it makes it clear that there are specifications for gear but the gear is still coming from workshops, not factories. The shield toppers aren't being cast, each one is handmade and the different craftsmen have their own ideas of how to make them to spec.

>>95873372
Which is bizarre because the fluff is that they are mass-produced, often in factories

>>95873517
Which makes me feel they should have enough options so enough identical swords for everyone, spears, axes etc.
So you can make them super uniform or more of a rabble

>>95873203
I think it's because these are specifically dawnbringers, who are random recruits of varying degrees of quality that signed up/get voluntold to go on expeditions where they mostly all die

So I GET the rabble aspect of their designs, and the cavaliers all have different equipment because they're assorted knights from different places and whatever, sure

The guys who are the most uniform are the fusiliers and cannons, as they should be

Did anyone ever make a stl for that one helmet the gunners have for cos

>>95864949
>Women in men's armor instead of being kickass looking beautiful femme fatales

I'm so tired bros

>>95874525
Anon that’s a man. If you want good looking women go over to Malifaux.

>>95874525

That's why you should play elves

>>95874717
Elves have fallen.

>>95874762
I dont remember this one, when did it come out? Looks like that one dude from the venture brothers.

>>95873922
No, you have to but extra box of Fusiles to make your Steelhelms look cool

>>95874525
>Women in armour instead of gooner pin-ups
bros i can't masturbate to my toys now

>>95873203
Yeah, I get the feeling they were supposed to be the folk rabble bring what you got unit similar to fanatics or militia or grail pilgrims rather than troops but we didn't get a troop unit.
For an army heavy on standardisation, drilled orders, etc it doesn't make sense to have every other man in a unit right differently (sword stabbing, axe slashing, etc). Gutrippaz would shred them.
I hope they're eventually recontextualised next to a greatsworder, knight or halberd unit

>>95874762
Is that a man or a woman? You realy can't tell with knife ears

>*farts*

>>95874774
>>95875110
I think it's like a late 2024/early 2025 release ? And yeah it is a woman. Ashara vess, somerhing like that.
>>95875057
>next to a halberdier or greatsword type unit
Here's hoping anon

>>95875293
>And yeah it is a woman.
No fucking way, i was just joking about the elfs not being manly and it actually was a chick?!

>>95875293
>>95875057
i think its likely that we get a squad of these guys at some point. like a greatsword equivalent where each knight has his own little totem theme

>>95875303
Yeah, her face is atrocious.
The artwork is much better though.

Do we have an unlocked version of the app? Or are people really buying the overpriced books?

>>95875316
Mostly people are getting them in army boxes I presume so it's an easier pill to swallow (bastards normalising it)

>>95875304
thatd be great

>>95875310
Huh they never released the Isle of Blood Griffin kit? Rip early AoS nostalgia

>>95874525
> cant masturbate to my toys anymore
the west has fallen bros

>>95875024
>>95875394
samefag

>>95874762
the quality of the artwork takes precedent over the quality of the model

>>95875324
They have not released the older metal griffin so maybe they will free the plastic one from its sprue prison eventually.

They wouldn't even need to make a whole new mould as much as simply closing the funnels for the few bits unrelated to the griffin.

brute rager I finished the other day. working on batching the ardboyz right now

>>95875445
Ah, maybe waiting for a 2nd edition then with legends units added to the main roster
Idk why they kept Skaven behind knowing 4e would refresh everything in Isle of Blood. Such a blunder and TOW lacks a starter set too

>>95875507
>knowing 4e would refresh everything
plague monks and eshin rats are still unaccounted for, and there's the question of how coordinated the departments can actually be, maybe the choice of core factions was settled before they had any confirmation of skaven and vampires becoming almost perfectly available by this time.
Or maybe they chose to omit some of the factions to make the factions they focused on sell more, how many people would actually get into tomb kings if vampires were, once again, more supported than them, historically that was always a problem, and a similar but wider discourse could be made for skaven, by adding them perhaps they were afraid not enough people would have gotten some other faction instead.

>>95875523

>>95875529

>>95875533

>>95875523
So the Jade Wound is like Alarielle's own axe wound

>>95875651

>>95875651
shes not trans tho? wtf

>>95875741
even non-trans women have vaginas, anon.

I started collecting Skaven some time in 3rd but finally have the time to start putting them together and playing. For reference I have two of the old vanguard boxes (I believe they've just been relabelled as spearhead boxes now), a box of storm vermin, a warlock bombardier, and a verminlord corruptor (can't you kitbash this kit to any of the other verminlords?). Would it be worth it to pick up the skaven half of a skaventide box? Also what else should I look into getting, at least after I get this stuff all together

>>95876080
IMO you've got more than enough models to be going on with. Get a good chunk of what you've got built and painted before you buy more.

>>95876107
Appreciate it, I thought that was probably the case. It's one of those things where I see the new models and want to get them, but it wouldn't help to just add more to the pile

>>95875651
>+1 months of discord nitro has been deposited to your account

>>95876080
>>95876107
>>95876139
Yeah like the other guy said I would focus on getting your current stuff together before diving skaventide. It's an amazing box but I'm sure you'll be able to find the skaven side available online for many years to come, if not the whole box outright.
And yes the verminlord set builds all varieties. I wonder why they put the corruptor on the box instead of just saying verminlord, but who knows.

>>95876233
I know it probably jumps around a lot, but is there any of the verminlords that is generally better to go for than the others? Or should I just build whichever I think is coolest

>>95876452
Magnets nigga

>>95876080
>can't you kitbash this kit to any of the other verminlords?
the only separate verminlord is this one on the right

>>95876636
unrelated, I just saw this conversion for an alternative verminlord

>>95876452
I don't play skaven so take this with a grain of salt, but when quickly looking over the rules it seems like they're probably supposed to be used alongside their respective subfactions, like the warbringer one boosting stormvermin, the corruptor pestilens keyword etc. So if you're leaning towards one of the skaven sub-playstyles it might be a good idea to build the corresponding verminlord, or the named one who i think is supposed to be the generalist of the bunch.

Honestly yeah just go whatever you think is coolest, maybe look into magnetizing but I don't think anyone could tell the difference anyway desu.

Making progress on clearing my pile of shame. Which side you got, Order or Chaos?

Ngl, the 40k Tau x Star Wars crossover is making me want to try my hand at Warcraft x Mortal Realms crossover. Not sure about the scale though. I'd probably have it as Warcraft characters entering Mortal Realms after some dimensional incursion by Chaos through a funky realmgate gets whooped back, since Warcraft is definetly the higher-tier setting. But if I want to internally make it make sence, AoS would have to be written as a previpusly unknown part of Warcraft cosmology (which is surprisingly easy for Warcraft side to make sense), but I feel like I'm doing AoS dirty by making it the "lesser" entity. Granted, that makes sense with how vague AoS lore for pre-Sigmar times is

>>95877074
>Tau x Star Wars crossover
What did i miss?
Also Tau feels like the lamest possible 40k faction to throw into SW

Order should get a faction entirely composed of small criters. Something like halflings.

>>95877074
This idea sounds so cool, you should make a trip and then only post about the idea while using that trip anon!!!!!

>>95877172
Aren't dworfs a type of small criter

>>95877132
I don't want to come off as a promoter, because I am not. But about a month or so ago I found a guy on youtube making hour-long crossover videos on the topic. You can find them just by searching for starwars 40k tau, don't wanna shill links or channel names.

Personally, I like the idea of Tau crossover since they can be ported in at full strenght to SW and not be top-dogs.

>>95877176
You know you can just say
>anon, I don't want to see this in an AoS thread, please make a trip or namefag to let me filter you out
That's way less annoying and would probably yield a desired result better than passivr agressive behaviour

Idoneth literally cannot stop losing.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/piux6zf8/sunday-preview-grand-cathay-marches-from-nan-gau/

>>95877379
>fomo release
Meh

>>95877379
I just noticed that they typo’d Nighthaunt as 2 separate words. They really don’t give a fuck about AoS this year.

>>95877397
They wanted to call them night haunters but marinefags ruined the name.

The actual original name also cannot be used in marketing.

>>95877411

>>95877379
lmao at them deciding the Cathay Battalion Box was too good of a deal to keep in production

>>95877387
Yeah Fomo battalion box is some fresh bullshit.

So with GW being cheap assholes regarding the Battalion Box, I assume wave 2 in another month or so will be Miao plus all the basic troop boxes.

>>95877488
idk, this whole fomo thing kinda puts a damper on my plans for the army. i'll see if i can get a hold of it next week at my flgs, but if scalpers have already blown out the supply or they only made like 2 boxes per store i might have to pass on the whole project.

>>95877430
Wait they're squating Cathy already?

>>95877561
no but unlike every other army the battalion box is gonna be limited stock instead of a regularly stocked product.

potential move towards making old world less consumer friendly

>>95877571
Maybe it’ll be limited like Skaventide where it’s supposed to be while stocks last but it’s still available very widely.

>>95877622
>a fucking leaf

>>95877622
I doubt it, Cathay is the most excited people have been about TOW. As opposed to Skaventide, which had one army that people are pretty tired of and another army people who already like already had massive armies of.

I'm somehow gathering stuff for a GSG army, is there any concievably realm where 3-4 mangler squigs is not just a meme?

Like, I'm still doing it if it comes down to it but just asking.

>>95877636
anon, im so sorry.

>>95877640
Aw come on it can't be that bad can it?!

>>95877379

I am seriously considering getting 2 of those Cathay boxes, a longma, cavalry hero and a big terrakotta dude

that's 1800ish pts of cities of sigmar plus a mega gargant regiment of renown

>>95877622
It's obviously not going to sell 40k levels, so there's a chance of that, but it depends on the stock level. If GW underprinted this box then it's fucked even if it doesn't sell that much.

>>95877379
Close to 10 y anniversary. 0 releases and previews. Meanwhile TOW have tons of new shit.

GW doesn't like us.

>>95877664
Cathay and HH 3.0 are unfortunately bigger deals than an anniversary.

>>95877636
Anon even 1 mangler squig is a meme at this point. I'm sorry.

Root Kings when?

>>95877698
Fuck really?

Well guess I'll do some counts as for em for other orc related things on similar base sizes...

Hey TOW player here. Just kindly asking that if any of you plan on buying Grand Cathay models, please avoid the fomo battalion box. Let TOW players have access to the battalion and consider waiting until singular kits are released 2-3 weeks after the fomo box to buy in. That way TOW players have their army boxes and you have your proxies and everyone is happy.

Thank you in advance for your consideration and grace <3

>>95877797
im buying 2 for cities of sigmar, they're goin on rounds, eat shit

>>95877813
You probably don't need 4 cannons. Best to wait for the individual kits!

>>95877797
I'll be flipping them on ebay for 3 times the price. Sudden FOMO announcments are great scalper fuel

>>95877797
Your thread has been bitching about Cathay being bad and not fitting in Old World since they revealed the models. I'm sure you guys will be more than happy if AoS players buy these boxes instead :-)

>>95877831
wallet go brrrt. worst case scenario if i end up not needing the cannons i'll just sell the extras on ebay once the box goes out of stock

>>95877797
I'll buy as much as I can from different stores just to scalp you faggots the best I can

>>95877844
>>95877848
>>95877854
I don't understand why you guys are being hostile. You don't really need the batallion box just to proxy, why not just print models or wait for individual kits to see if you like Cathay before committing? Let TOW players have their fill of the battalion boxes, it's not like we buy out your fomo boxes for use in TOW, show us the same courtesy.

>>95877876
ToW stole entire armies from our game, so i'll reiterate, eat shit

>>95877895
Just the one, and you guys are stealing chaos dwarfs soon right? So why the asshurt?

>>95877797

Don't worry old world bro I got you, once I stick my cathay army on rounds I'll sell you the two extra cannons for a fair price

>>95877876
I know you are concern trolling but I'm not yet sure which side you sre concern troling

Do we have an idea of the price for the Cathay fomo box? if it's the price of a Battleforce I'm definitely getting one.

>>95877797
>>95877876
This might be the most pathetic falseflag attempt I've ever seen on this site

>>95877959
We don't actually know but seeing as how its composition is the same as other ToW battalions a safe bet is $185 USD at full GW prices before any discounts from third parties. It could be more expensive, but it's more than likely going to be $185 because it has the same number of kits as all the other battalions, and like them doesn't come with an army book.

>>95877977

Those other boxes are all filled with old plastic though right? I'm sure there's a new plastic tax.

>>95878011
Maybe, but we don't know. Just going off comp it should be around that $185. Specialist games, both HH and TOW are priced lower for what you get than 40k/AoS intentionally. They are meant to provide better value to keep consumers within the GW ecosystem when their main game is having a lull or they have grown tired of it.

>>95877908
Not stealing Chaos Dwarfs, Chaos Dwarfs will remain exactly as playable in TOW when AoS Chorfs come out as they are now.

Actually they'll become much more playable because you'll be able to buy the AoS models. So really you should be thanking us.

>>95878011
I think the box being a limited run is the tax.

Price list is out for the Cathay stuff.
Battalion Box is normal price.
Longma hero is $62.50
Gatemaster is $52
Sentinel is $127.50
Balloon is $160

Basically everything looks pretty normal except the Balloon. I had a feeling that one was gonna be absurd, the model is fucking huge.

>>95878131
>Battalion Box is normal price.
Actual sons of bitches benchodes, that shit is going to sell out within an hour

>>95878131

Source?

If this checks out I need to preorder a second box from my LGS
Means I'd be getting a cool Chinese CoS army for way less than the normal models.

>>95878171
my only gripe with using the cathay stuff as cities is that the jade warriors look sick, but steelhelms are such a bland incompetent unit that it almost feels like a bad match. it would feel better if cities still had a greatsword unit to use them as instead

>>95878210

I suppose so, I am considering Cathay as Lumineth as well, which fits better in some ways and worse in others.

>>95878131
I thought TOW was the budget option for warhammer? wtf

>>95877781
When Fyreslayers are squatted you can count them as Sylvaneth

>>95878278
How the hell did you come to that conclusion

>>95878278
You get more guys per box on Average in TOW otherwise their prices are pretty much the same. What made you think GW had changed their ways?

>>95878226
Yeah Cathay as LRL is nice for stuff like the Sentinel, although they still don't have anything for the balloon, and using gunpowder as substitutes for arrows and boltthrowers is a little...eh.

If 2E era Settlers Gain with LRL buddies was still a thing, that'd be almost perfect.

>>95878328
>You get more guys per box on Average in TOW otherwise their prices are pretty much the same
Are you guys retarded? This means it is cheaper. Unless you value things per box and not the contents of the box.

>>95878367
>Pay just as much for heroes/monsters
>need to buy more troops in the first place
>huge number of things are online only, no discounts
There really isn't some huge price divide between the two. Whether AoS or TOW is cheaper for a real player depends more on the army, build, and discount boxes available than the game.

>>95878297
>>95878328
Yeah, I'm thinking of Irondrakes being £35 for 10 and now £53 for 20. Not a big difference I guess but heroes seem reasonably priced at least

>>95878384
There is a big divide if you actually look at kits from both games. ToW kits are literally cheaper per model in many cases than they were for the same models back in the day. Inflation not even taken into account, which is significant.

>>95878692
And yet you'll spend about as much money to build a TOW army as an AoS army, is my point.

>>95878131
>Balloon is 160
Fuck, I was hoping the balloon would be at least somewhat reasonable

>>95878743
There's no way the balloon wasn't going to be the most expensive model in the wave, hell I could see Miao being a bit cheaper.

It's just a fuck-huge flying model with a lot of detail, there's was never a chance of it being cheap.

>>95878288
>starting a new IP using bits and pieces from WHFB
>create new armies based on specific realms while reusing concepts from WHFB
>provide almost no support for some of them
What's going on in the GW HQ?

>>95878838
Age of Sigmar was supposed to replace and be a better fantasy. Sales and interest overall has not reached their expectations despite a decade of support. Now they are going back to more tried and tested settings and ips while winding down support for AoS so as to not sink more money into it.

>>95878849
I think it's honestly got a good space but I feel like the general thing is just "It has fantastic models" and then no one talks about the actual game.

I swear to god most people see the models and go "oh shit this will look great in my 40k army once I kitbash some tech greebles on it" more often than not with new releases.

>>95878876
That’s because, as much as many of us delude ourselves. The setting doesn’t really have any broader appeal. Sure it has niche appeal, but take a look at YouTubers doing lore vids to see that people in general don’t find AoS lore or world building interesting or compelling. 40k and Fantasy channels grow and get a lot of views, AoS loretubers are all dead channels.

>>95878884
You're not wrong, unfortunately Fantasy has decades worth of stuff to ride on, same with 40k and with shit like this flavour is the name of the game. While AoS does have cool shit and is still relatively "open" GW really hasn't gone too in depth or found a character with widespread appeal to really sell things. We have fantasy guys but I'm hard pressed to think of a character from AOS that really sells me on shit that GW has decided to actually add depth to.

AoS doesn't have like "the book series YOU NEED TO CHECK OUT" like Fantasy had Gotrek and Felix or 40k has the Horus Heresy. We have cool models, open ended lore, wide setting with rule of cool bullshit, but we don't have some meat for our copious amount of delicious delicious potatoes.

>>95878923
The GW of today is really really good at sales and making money, unfortunately their world building/creatives are much much worse than back in the day. This isn't just a problem with AoS, but also 40k and ToW where the new stuff is just overall really shit compared to the older fluff. Where back in the day these setting were made and fleshed out by History majors, today you have shitty English majors being hired and given directives by suits designed to sell models.
The sales are great and much better than in the glory days of the settings, but they have lost the ability to create compelling new settings/stories because of their shift as a company.

>>95878838
I feel like they had a shift in direction sometime in 3e, possibly because of TOW, and it resulted in a lot of things getting kinda left in the dust as they needed to replace WFB models sooner.

>>95878980
It's a real bummer since it's not like it's impossible to make fleshed out cool warhammer characters, they just need to find the right people to do it. I'm gonna do the thing I always do and shill Vermintide because it's a game that fucking NAILED down 5 (what are essentially jobbers) into very fleshed out interesting characters.

Realistically I think the best thing GW could do is :STOP PRINTING ARMY BOOKS in the same way at least. I feel like they could swap to only online rules and then have a semi-regular drop of "army books" which could be short story compilations, art, mini painting guides, fluff out the wazoo, just fun shit. People if they were interested could even say, buy into other army books just to learn more about them if they were interested and possibly be convinced to buy more plastic.

>>95879035
>I feel like they could swap to only online rules
Fuck no. They would want you to pay for a monthly/yearly service to get said rules and it would be a fucking mess. Not to mention once that service/app/ruleset is superseded it vanishes. You can play just about any GW game from the past decades now thanks to physical rulebooks (also scanned rulebooks) but once rules stop being put into print, you are often at the mercy of the company selling them once editions change. What sort of fool would actively want to trade a paid, physical rule release for something that would undoubtedly still be paid, but ethereal and digital and not truly yours to own and keep? God damn Live Service Cuckolds are going to be the death of ownership.

>>95879092
The physical releases have been fucking dreadful recently, also storing everything as a PDF online is basically what people are doing for rules anyways. I can understand assuming the worst but this is all hypothetical anyways why not just imagine a better case scenario. If you can't imagine anything better than just a worst case scenario I don't know what to tell you dude.

>>95877797
devilish reverse psychology

>>95879196
He’ll then turn around in a couple of weeks and post “CATHAY BOX INSTANTLY SOLD OUT. SELLING FAST, HUH SIGKEKS” or something like that.

>>95879149
I still disagree with you Anon, but I want to say I appreciate you giving your rationale behind your idea and not dragging this into any sort of mud slinging insult fest. I also want to take a moment to apologize in case you thought my comment of "Live Service Cuckold" was meant toward you, which is was not. I have seen too many games, services and such get destroyed by the Live Service change and would hate to have AoS and other GW products end up with the same fate. I imagine it could possibly be done in a logical and safe manner, but my trust in corporations and the people pushing them to make more and more money with each quarter is all but non-existent, as is my faith in the preservation of rules/digital content.

All in all thank you for the discussion and have a great rest of your Sunday - or Monday depending where you are, Anon.

>>95878131
Balloon is ONE FUCKING SIXTY?

>>95878884
Maybe this is massive cope on my end because i do enjoy AoS' lore, and I think the individual factions are at times more interesting than what old fantasy did with them, but I wonder how much of aos lack of loretubers is just down to a lack of any good vidya and thus secondaries. Those sort of whfb lore videos didn't really exist prior to tw:wh and vermintide, or at least they were a fraction of what they are now.

I'm not going to pretend like aos' setting is as approachable as whfb (or even 40k), and maybe my idea of what aos-lore *could* be has clouded my view of what it actually is, but I feel like there's genuine potential in the sort of literally epic, mythos-adjacent world that aos is going for. It might be a strange comparison, but it reminds me of dark souls/elden ring at times, and there's certainly no shortage of lore sloptubers on that front.

thoughts?

>>95879375
>I'm not going to pretend like aos' setting is as approachable as whfb (or even 40k), and maybe my idea of what aos-lore *could* be has clouded my view of what it actually is, but I feel like there's genuine potential in the sort of literally epic, mythos-adjacent world that aos is going for. It might be a strange comparison, but it reminds me of dark souls/elden ring at times
NTA but I genuinely enjoy AoS lore, but it always feels like GW is several steps from writing at the depth a setting like this needs to pull off that mythic fantasy vibe they want. Everything is written and resolved too simplistically. It’s also severely lacking in character moments outside novels. Stuff like Volturnos’s speech at the assembral in BR Morathi vs what usually happens where the text just describes the actions happening with a little bit of detail.

>>95879474
I would bet Ogres are going home to Fantasy. Fyreslayers either squatted or souped and then squatted and DoK I think will get new models before most of the current kits are sent back to Fantasy as Dark Elves.

>>95879375
It's mostly that, yeah. The primary audience for "loretubers" is people who don't know shit about a setting but want to be force fed just enough information to pretend they do online. There's no social credit for pretending to like Age of Sigmar in normie parts of the internet so they don't care.

Like I've tried listening to AoS loretubers here or there, but inevitably I just don't care enough to keep going. I already know the lore as well as they do or probably better, I don't get anything out of some dude reading an AoS wiki to me in a somber voice.

To a lesser extent, these loretubers usually also give those hordes of secondaries a mistaken impression that warhammer lore is deep, serious business and consistent when the reality is that it's just a huge pile of messy retcons and repeated "deep cut" references to something some guy wrote in the 80s as a joke.

As a kid, I thought the occasional WHFB novel I managed to get my hands on was deep, evocative and mysterious but that was mostly just because I didn't know shit about the game or the setting. I read those same books as an adult and they're largely just a checklist of toy advertisements and simple tropes like BL novels are today. Those spooky monsters and demons I half remembered from my younger days were literally just 1 to 1 model descriptions, which evaporates a lot of the atmosphere when you can see through t.

>>95879474
Iron jawz honestly needs something else, the loss of bone splitters fucking hurt. Kruel boyz absolutely need two more range refreshes.

I’d be worried about ogres but the recent spearhead having more of the ogre bulls or whatever just suggests that it’s only getting a pity hero, and the range is probably staying the same.
Fyre slayers are going for a rebranding, hopefully, and dok is whatever.
Everything above the worried tier literally just needs one or two non hero kits.

>>95879474
Snekelves feel quite distinctively AoS but I guess anything is possible. I think the model kits are different enough they would survive in AoS. Ogres are 100% going to Fantasy I think.

>>95879474
Also slaves to darkness not sharing the demon princes, ogroids, and maybe some of the lesser monsters isn’t fair.

>>95879230
Understandable, and I understand being wary of any corpo slop. It's easy to just assume the worst so I've tended to go for pointless optimism but I understand your position completely.

And hope you have a pleasant day too anon.

>>95879474
I would bump up seraphon a tier, even as a seraphon player myself. The range is very wide and well done. I mean you could always come up with more unit options, I would always be happy with more, but I mean it would be pure greed. I'm assuming you're talking about new units here, if you include refreshed old kits then yeah there's obviously some work to be done (why the fuck didn't they update saurus guard together with normal saurus ??)
I would also bump up sylvaneth a tier. Otherwise, no notes. I hope ogres are fine though, looking at them as my potential next army.
>>95879476
>it always feels like GW is several steps from writing at the depth a setting like this needs to pull of that mythic fantasy vibe
Yeah, exactly how I feel about things too. Well put.

How are you all feeling about the gun being put to AoS's head next Saturday?

>>95879476
I did feel the lore was improving with stuff like Ushoran's focus and the Cult of the Wheel mystery, but you're completely right that it all just gets resolved too simply. I really like Ushoran. The short fic with Goremayne where it's like, Ushoran might also be awake inside the nightmare is just such an evil revelation.

>>95879594
It’ll be a nice distraction from the stench of your axe wound.

>>95879594
>TOW fags still thinking their game that needed an influx of vidya secondaries to be revived is more relevant than AoS
comedy gold

I just wish Aos dabbled in metaphysics more, Horus heresy blue balled me into that direction and then just embraced being a lesser 40k.

>>95879606
>>95879613
tick
tock

>>95879613
It's kinda funny that they're still running on max copium at the exact point that their video game run is about to come to a permanent end. Vermintide and Total War are their last, shaky legs and when they close their doors GW will never again give out a WHFB video game license. It'll be AoS or TOW or nothing, and TOW will only continue to gradually retcon fantasy to better fit GW's new corporate sensibilities.

>>95879604
Ush and Goremayne are such refreshing additions, especially to FEC. I wish they’d get a novel together highlighting a possible tension between Gore’s ability to discern delusion from reality and Ushoran possibly being fully aware of what he’s doing and occasionally giving in to his own madness.

>>95879650
AOS is literally going to die and WHFB videogames will last eternal. I'm sorry you are too mentally damaged to accept this fortunate (unfortunate for you) truth.

>>95879672
>huffing this much copium over tribalism bullshit

I keep forgetting people make warhammer their entire identity.

I'd also say, it's very possible the Celestial Dragon Guard are just a points upgrade to the jade soldiers.

>>95879718
You’re not in wfg retard.

>>95879581
I jumped the gun a fair bit at the idea of someone saying "Yeah, just turn it digital!" I can both say it was an over- and under-reaction to the concept. People are only beginning to understand that things they can not hold and own are shockingly easy to have taken away from them - shows, online videos, articles and images. Ideally a companion or cheaper army book that is a digital only option would be released with physical rules and give a best of both worlds scenario.

Thank you, Anon! My day has been good, aside from the paints I wanted to paint an army in not being what I had hoped and now I am looking for a new trim/secondary color. Wishing I had a dozen pots of the old GW Dwarf Bronze that were good and usable.

>>95879700
Well, yeah. When you start going to the LGS at 10 or whatever and then never ever do anything else with your life or achieve anything, that's all your life ends up being.

>>95879672
So, about those new WHF games?
GW earn just a small cut from multimedia contracts. It really doesn't matter either way, hence only really pushing 40k mega-successes and only space marine 2.
I doubt we're getting AoS games ngl, RoR flopped, but does that affect GW's miniature sales? No.
TOW is a specialist game project. It doesn't sell as much as the main studio games nor does it get as many new kits.

>>95879751
>TOW is a specialist game project. It doesn't sell as much as the main studio games nor does it get as many new kits.
>literally releasing an entire new army this week with more kits than AoS has had in months

>>95879756
>literally releasing an entire new army this week with more kits than AoS has had in months
We got 8 new vampire kits released like three weeks ago little bro.

>>95879772
No, you got early access release to future TOW undead models.

>>95879800
this is just embarassing at this point, go back to /wfg/

>>95879562
Ironjawz should get the rogue idol back, with options for a shaman or warchanta rider

>>95877781
Never gonna happen. The idea is too cool.

>>95879474
Slaves to Darkness needs like five more models. A couple foot heroes for the Chaos Warrior side and like three things for the Darkoath side to make all-Darkoath more viable.

>>95879474
What large gaps do Nighthaunt and Khorne have?

>>95879474
Isn't Idoneth basically the same size as Sylvaneth after this new range release?

>>95880071
In short, not really at all

>>95880091
Jesus. Stormcast are almost double the next most populated army, and lizards have old world models to pull from while stormcast are all new sigmar models

Looks like the Cathay battalion is going to be priced the same as other battalions. Kind of insane and I guess that guy who said the limited release is the cost of new plastics was right.

>>95880039
Nighthaunt need a big monster and new models for Hexwraiths

>>95880039
I think both factions could use more monsters. Like Khorne getting some minotaurs or something would be cool. A lot of those models are also just kinda showing their age.

>>95880106
And think how many SCE kits were removed recently.

>>95880106
Even Stormcast fans don't want Stormcast in starters anymore. It's really bad for the army to have so many more options than everyone else, it makes internal balance impossible.

>>95879672
Sorry troon, TOW is the one on the way out

>>95879739
Nah I feel it, I've recently started accruing shit that I enjoy (media wise) physically just because I can burn it to my hard-drive and still have a copy if my computer or internet explodes. I'm relatively new to the whole hobby and the books that have come out for this edition have all felt pretty pointless. I realize it's important for preserving it all but still been pretty disillusioned.

And hell yeah, I just did a trade with another guy locally for some of my OBR I had in excess for a large chunk of KB. Hoping to start up a KB force but not sure what to build into since people seem to generally be recommending less ranged shit which is what I was aiming for and more monster spam. It's a hard choice since I have a kragnos so a bunch of 3d6 charges for big guys sounds fun but also crossbow spam sounds funny.

I wanna frick the dragon lady

>>95880695
this shit is pretty annoying but I take comfort in the fact that it's going be much worse in the TOW thread when we get Chorfs

>>95879474
Are DoK really in that bad of a place? They have a dozen shades of melee for every tier of enemy and a couple ranged units, they seem complete if you consider the fact that big tanky units don't fit in.

>>95880710
Aren’t they going to be “ clockwork steampunk “ chorfs so not real Chorfs just cringe reddit ones?

>>95880718
Considering most of their range is new to AoS and they literally just got another Underworlds warband, I think they're pretty safe.

>>95880685
>>95879739

I think they should have both.
Free basic rules online, physical army book has more fluff etc in it. Give people both options rather than just having a single option.
Maybe even have something like with the app, few version you can buid 1x of each army list.
If you have the book, it gives you unlimited lists for that army.

Also very wholesome

>>95880718
They feel fine, half animal (snake and bord) elves and various shades of naked woman with mask or naked woman with funny hair feel distinct and with Morathi still being a key player and a big name I feel like they've got a home.

Here's where I'm gonna say something crazy: the factions without BIG NAME giant expensive models all kinda fall into that worrysome tier. Fyreslayers don't got a guy, Ogors don't have a guy, Kharadron and Idoneth barely eek by with some pretty big guys but still not like big name god character.

>>95880779
I will admit I do get annoyed with the app just locking shit out when the army book comes out so I completely get where the other anon is coming from. But I also can just use other methods for list building and unit stats etc, but I would enjoy if GW was either willing to do something interesting with the army books or just make them more fun.

>>95880733
Chaos Dwarf stuff takes inspiration from the industrial revolution, with gears and boilers and stuff. So it could easily be described as "cockwork steampunk" by somebody like Valrak who doesn't know anything about anything other than Space Marines

>>95880779
I've always thought that the real move for 40k would be to have all the rules online as part of the app. You pay your fee, you get all the rules for everything as long as youre subscription is active.

The Codexes don't have rules in them. Instead they're lore, art, painting guides, all the stuff other than the rules. They'd be more like Osprey books. I think they'd actually sell more Codexes that way because people wouldn't be like, "I don't need the Ork Codex, I'll never play Orks" they'd be like, "oh shit thiis Ork Codex has a ton of cool stuff in it". And they could do stuff like Codexes for specific Chapters, Ork Clans, Ultramarine Companies, etc without having to worry about coming up with rules. And people would buy them

I don't think that would work for AoS, the interest in the lore just isn't there yet.

>>95880833
>the interest in the lore just isn't there yet
Purely GW's fault. It all stems from the 6 months of dev time the suits gave the teams to cannibalize something out of WHFB. This shitty, rushed development cycle is the root with so much wrong with AoS lore, especially all the handwaving away of what should be fundamentals of worldbuilding. I say this as someone who enjoys AoS lore and wants to see it grow. The fact is that, so far, GW is has expertly squandered the potential within AoS.

>>95880849
I feel like if they really put some work in they could shape it into something amazing, it feels like it's just kind of a big lego playbox. I'd like to see them actually do some cool builds with it so to speak.

>>95880849
I've been reading old issues of Warhammer Monthly lately, and it's amazing how silly they were allowed to be, and how much of the basic universes were established in that silliness.
AoS's problem is that it never got that period of initial silliness where a bunch of writers were allowed to do whatever the fuck they wanted as long as it was cool. AoS was born after GW started taking their stuff much more seriously and wanted greater synergy between the lore and the model range
I think that's why the best AoS lore is in the Battletomes. The novels have to sell models but the Battletome lore just needs to be fun and evocative.

>>95880891
>I think that's why the best AoS lore is in the Battletomes.
Yeah. For as much lifting as Soulbound did for the setting, like establishing the fucking calendar system..., Battletomes remain the best place to get bites about each faction. And I do think there is on and off silliness, but it's not entirely overt like those old magazines were. You said silliness and this was the first passage to cross my mind. I remember belly laughing as the the list of casualties kept growing.

>>95880733
original chorfs are the reddit ones, the tww ones are fucking cringe of a different nature.

>>95880718
Ignoring underworlds they have the lowest number of kits in the game and a third of those are WFB holdovers with a questionable future which make up half their overall roster. They are not in a good place at all.
I don't think they would ever totally squat them, Morathi is too important, but I could totally see the witch aelves getting shipped off to TOW and the remnants getting souped into a larger Dark Elf faction if they ever decide to finally bring in Malerion.

>>95880891
Agreed.
As an oldfag, there was a lot of Monty Python in old Warhammer lore

>>95880891
>AoS's problem is that it never got that period of initial silliness

a more untrue statement has never been typed. it took age of sigmar nearly a decade to live down the sillyness of its launch and 1st edition.

>>95879672
nah

>>95881389
Name one silly thing about the 1e setting?

>>95881504
khul crashing his ship with no survivors

>>95880695
Imagine how many shugengan she gave birth to be called matriarch of nan gau.

>>95881615
>Mustache
>She

>>95881636
that's not a moustache, and not a gendered feature

>>95881636
dont go to france

nighthaunt model reveal today?

>>95881879
I think NH got pushed behind Khorne

>>95881903
we only saw khorne first because the ghost is see-through

Please be a new banshee

for those here who havent seen it

>>95881921

>>95881978
The only ghostly rumor engines are all about potion making

the safe bet is it's going to be a variant of this guy, but brewing poisons instead of carrying torture implements

>>95881987
I dont really care?

>>95881988
I wonder what the lore behind a…homebrewer will be

>>95882008
something lazy like
>in life these dudes poisoned people, so nagash condemned them to be poisoners in death
>spoooky

>>95882008
Embalmers? Alchemists? Healers? Drunkards?

>>95882004
well you're in the minority then, half this thread was spent discussing it

>>95881988
It's not 1 guy, you can already see 3 hands occupied with potion equipment.
Unless he's gonna be exceptionally multi limbed

>>95882067
not too exceptional with ghosts

>>95880925
Lol great little tidbit
>>95881987
Goos for the towtards honestly, a fomo battalion box would be a new low for gw
>>95882067
Multi-limbs are relatively common among the nighthaunt models, no ?

>>95882072
>ghost with scythe (unit)
>ghost with scythe (hero)
>ghost with scythes for hands (unit)
>ghost with scythe on horse (unit)
>ghost with scythe on horse (hero)
>ghost with scythe on horse (chaos)
>ghost with straightened scythe and horse head (unit)
>giant ghost scythe (spell)
are we still pretending nighthaunts are a good model range

>>95882134
Hey go ahead and blame the grim reaper for being so iconic. That being said i do wish they did something more with the flowers, and uh…maybe pomegranate imagery?

>>95882148
>That being said i do wish they did something more with the flowers

>>95882242
yeah do more with that than just a single terrible underworlds band from forever ago

>>95882242
Eh…it’s a start, and for what it’s worth I do like that underworld team (I hope it becomes the generic that goes in the next spearhead). but adding like, a flower on a specific eye of the skulls, or forgoing tactical rocks and going with flowers, dead or macabre, would also be cool. They need to lean in on the myth of hades and His underworld as well as Dante’s inferno more imo.

>>95881428
I love the left, wish there was a weirdnob regiment to run him with my troggs

>>95881615
Canon is it's hundreds

>>95881957
Too clever for this shithole

>>95882299
>centuries of consecutive pregnancies

>>95882299
>>95882328
it's far more likely each of the dragon children only had a few children themselves with one consort once, thousands of years ago, and all the current dragon blooded are the grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-grand children or something

>>95882391
Shut up lemme indulge in my perpetual hyperpreg fantasies

>>95882391
ehhhhhh maybe not. if you know anything about chinese nobility/emperors from the period the cathay are based off of, they kept rotating harems of multiple concurrent royal concubines, sometimes dozens at once, all bearing children to have as many sons as possible to fill stations in government and secure their bloodlines right to the throne, which then also led eventually to a period of secret spy wars and assinations between the concubines and the emperors eunichs with both groups vying for control over child emperors.

chinese history is wild

>>95864365 (OP)
Soon

>>95882419
That only makes sense with males, and with people who wouldn't feel like they're committing what's practically zoophilia with a different inferior species.

The royal dragons are dragons, and half of them are female, unless you want to argue that the shapeshifting magic offers them the futa option.

>>95881879
seems not

>>95882419
I mean, generally the palace eunuchs would consolidate around one candidate and the local lords consolidated around another.

>>95882636
I imagine it’s the kind of thing where they’ve all had multiple partners over the last thousand (few hundred? The WHF timeline is really really condensed, iirc it’s like around a thousand or two between the end times and the old ones) at various points when they’ve met specific mortals that enamored them, but that otherwise it’s just their bloodlines ballooning out from there as a couple kids turns into a couple hundred descendants within a blink of an eye as far as a dragon is concerned. Even the dragon kids are only half dragon, I imagine their direct kids can’t even assume a draconic form anymore with only being 1/4th dragon

>>95882752
>few hundred? The WHF timeline is really really condensed, iirc it’s like around a thousand or two between the end times and the old ones
the old ones arrived in -15000, the great catastrophe happened in -5600, the great war against chaos in +2300 (TOW status quo), the end times happened after +2500
we don't know when the dragon children were born, but they were all alive by the time the great wall was built and that was in -1800


you have more years in the warhammer fantasy world where all factions are present in their standard culture/tech level/presence, than you have years in 40k where that's true, and I'm talking about before primaris, with those the poor fucks have only a few decades.

given that the new cathay shit and lumineth both have asian influences, do you think you could successfully make an army blending those two ranges? or is their aesthetic too disparate?

>>95882873
the deign cues of the armors are completely different, you either proxy the entire army or you have to be careful with kitbashing everything so the result is a somewhat uniform blend all over.

One of the issues is that the models look very bulky, they don't sell the idea of lithe elven troops.

>>95882873
While there's some overlap, the main aesthetic difference boils down to Elves vs Humans. Lumineth are still dainty elves with bows and shit, vs blocky human Cathay soldiers with guns and cannons. Which is why most people are leaning towards using them as CoS proxies.

That said, they would make a killer Settlers Gain themed army, it's just a shame they don't have coalition rules with LRL anymore.

>>95882873
They both have Asian influences but Asia is a big place. We in our world can look at them and say "hey these are both Asian-influenced" but if you didn't know Asia existed you wouldn't say those armies look much alike at all. The silhouettes are completely different, the textures are different, the cuts of their clothes are different. The Lumineth use smooth armor panels while Cathay uses layered plating. The Lumineth have feminine, thin shapes while the Cathay are barrel-shaped.

There's just nowhere near enough shared visual language between the two ranges.

>>95882903
>they would make a killer Settlers Gain themed army
I don't think that would work because those models aren't trying to replicate any of the design cues from the Lumineth.

>>95880106
pretty sure gitz is right behind them post culling.

SCE should have always had multiple books, Sacrosanct could have easily been its own thing with a different ruleset. Now that the culling has happened they need to axe the chamber shit, they cut pretty much any options for shooting outside vanguard raptors, just makes list building weird and pushes people even more into running special characters.

>>95882933
I mean, neither are the regular CoS models, you just get normal-ass Hammerhall CoS troops painted in LRL-esque colors. Doing that with Cathay models instead would be interesting, to say the least.

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>>95883057