I want to make something iconic without making it look goofy.

aim for 90% practicality, 10% style, some versions of Dredd get close, except for exposed neck

>>95890279 (OP)
Traditional games?

>>95890439
But how you don't fall in over-design in your search for uniqueness?
I mean
>90% practicality
is just like any other IRL armor, it's the
>10% style
I can't figure it out.

>>95890465
>/tg/
>miniatures
Yes.

>>95890468
Focus on making something good first, and you might make something iconic.
Focus on making something iconic and you probably won't make anything at all.
>>95890465
He does it for free, folks.

>>95890279 (OP)
>filename
Consider suicide.

>>95890468
Heraldic or patriotic symbol of the faction issuing the armor is always good choice - animal, flower, landmark, stylized flag, home planet, etc.
For Dredd it's eagle on his chest and shoulder pad - which is very prominent in the comics and Stalone version (intentionally so, these are works of satire), but pretty plausible in Karl Urban version.

>>95890279 (OP)
That looks like something Shadman would wear unironically.

>>95890279 (OP)
>without making it look goofy.
try other pic or at least color it in similar fashion

>>95890279 (OP)
You don't.

>>95890439
>90% practicality
>with helmet designed with exposed jaw specifically so hero can punch and KO mook

Use a normal helmet (medieval or modern) as a base and add whatever you need.

>>95890279 (OP)
>I want to make something iconic
Be lucky enough that something you make reaches mainstream popularity.
Also don't do that while trying to be snobbish about the popular mainstream, because at best you look like a retard.

>>95890525
Thanks, anon.

>>95890615
Interesting, but how to make the shoulderpads functional? I mean, Stallone's Dredd doesn't look very comfortable.

>>95890847
Who's Shadman?

>>95893366
a master expert of medieval weapons and European history

>>95893409
Oh, thanks. And why would he wear it unironically?

>>95890279 (OP)
Do whatever you want and then sell it well by taking it seriously in the context of your game. Googly eyes at the end of dangling tentacles can be scary as fuck, in the right context and tone.

>>95893436
He's been seen wearing worse/weirder getups before.

>>95890525
Thanks, anon.

>>95890615
Interesting, but how to make the shoulderpads or other part of the armor prominent while being practical, realistic?

>>95891002
Thanks, anon.

>>95891145
I don't mean making something "iconic" in the snobbish way, but something that doesn't falls in cliches from other mainstream armors.

>>95893455
How, where to sell/promote my creations?

>>95893500
>How, where to sell/promote my creations?
I meant "sell it to your players" as in "perform it in a way that your players will get emotionally invested, or 'buy in' to." There's plenty of amazing fantasy in the world that does goofy-ass-shit all the time. You don't suspend disbelief by "never doing anything goofy." You do it by treating it seriously within the context of the world, no matter how goofy it seems from outside the world.

You could have a wizard discover an old super-8 camera with reels of nazi propaganda and create an army of bird-lizard-riding robots to fight fairies and elves with machine guns in a post-apocalyptic future Earth where a big-nosed wizard tries to horn-dog his way past every big-tittied fairy he lays eyes on. And it'd be goofy as fuck. And the fact that everyone within the story takes it seriously can turn it into a fucking cult classic with world-wide appeal. It's not about whether the thing you're doing is believable. It's whether you treat it like it is. Because then everyone else can treat it that way, too.

>>95893409
>>95893366
NGL I thought he meant the loli artist

>>95893436

>>95890468
>is just like any other IRL armor,
Which is leagues better than the slop many fantasy artists have been churning out since WoW and mainstream anime.

First get a bunch of designs you like. Analyze how it was designed, build your own from the building blocks you've learned, get feedback, improve and start from scratch. There's no easy or short way.

>>95890465
janny?

>>95893409
>a master expert of medieval weapons and European history
He's somewhat literate about those subjects and he's very opinionated about them, and you've obviously mistaken his unchallenged opinion for veracity. A little bit of learning, more than most of his audience so they don't know better, and a boldly stated opinion and people will lap it up the same way puppies lap up their siblings' vomit. He makes, and used to make, videos about fantasy too and he confuses fantasy for fact in his vids. Too many of his statements were sickeningly wrong on both matters of history and matters of weapon use, and I didn't have much time for his fantasy views either but that's a matter of taste not of fact. Youtube still very occasionally pops up one of his videos but fortunately not as much as it used to.

>>95890468
>I can't figure it out.
Iconic designs are basically defined by silhouette and color. Use a strong, distinctive silhouette, and a distinct color palette, and you have something iconic. Make it look like real armor, but the helmet has a wacky shape, or a type of real armor that is rarely seen, or a mix of multiple types of real armor, etc.

>>95890997
>why do helmet protect head against ballistics but don't bother cover chin from punching man?!
because you shoot them

>>95890997
Do modern soldiers from any country wear armor on their chin?

>>95895122
This. Stormtroopers worked very well as a design because they had a distinctive and menacing silhouette that was easily identified, while still being universal enough to be worn by any trooper. The suits were bright white and shiny which made them pop against dark and metallic ship interiors and, as a badguy faction suit, they literally have a scowl.

Contrast that with Darth Vader specifically and they're the perfect underlings for the sith lord's fit. His is fancier, but is a cross between the armored imperial troopers and the cloth and robes of the jedi. His helmet is more knightly with a samurai kabuto helmet influence, but matches the scowl of the troops. His is also black, but also still shiny and glossy, so they feel like they're the same material and manufacture.

All iterations on storm-trooper armor and costuming are based on these fundamentals for each environment they're found. Awkward or goofy is not actually a problem if you simply take them seriously: the armor IS clunky as a fact, but it is on purpose. They clomp about when they march and contrast the heroes lighter and more heroic fits, while Darth Vader is big and slow not because he can't go any faster, but he's simply not in a hurry. Either way the effect that has on scene composition and worldbuilding is evident: underlings clatter into a room, one of them bumps their head on the door and their master comes gliding in behind them, still heavy-set and armored, but like a posessed armor gliding across the ground.

This is a lot of words to say: There's nothing wrong with stormtrooper armor and if you're looking to make something for your games, you should be taking notes rather than trying to "fix" it.

>>95893500
>something that doesn't falls in cliches from other mainstream armors
That's not even slightly what "iconic" means.

>>95890468
>But how you don't fall in over-design in your search for uniqueness?
>I mean
>>90% practicality
>is just like any other IRL armor, it's the
>>10% style
>I can't figure it out.

Those ratios are dumb. In fact the Idea of ratio itself is dumb because the ratio itself is going to vary from culture to culture, time to time and nescessity to nescessity. And of course you would know all of this if you studied those things. And you would find out that a lot of things are highly styled are also highly functional, and that "practicality" is either a gay concept or poorly defined.
That is the core of a good a design and good designer, the guy who can go 100% "practicality and 100% style. And if you arent a naturaly gifted genius then the second best thing you can do is copy those done better than you, so start studing armor and how it worked and it relates to the human experience. Here is cool tip, most of the time it all start with the cloth fashion, and ideals of human body proportions.

>>95893366
A guy who drew porn of people's children. He was then deported to Australia where he became a Mormon Youtuber.

>>95890279 (OP)
Realism/Believability is gay, but you should still learn the rules, so you know how to break them

>>95894853
I think hw was beong sarcastic. The only things i like were the back scabbaed he built, and his breakdown of castles. All from way back when.

>>95895122
>>95895859
I respect that you like storm's armor, but that weird helmet ruins the armony for me, Phase 2 did a better job.

Every time I see a "TK" (Filoni-slop) or Storm's helmet, I can't unsee the bigheads from Doctor Who.

Imagine the Stormtrooper armor but fixed to be like >>95897250 gif. White iron, no gaps, metallic shinning... it would be beautiful.

>>95897444
Sorry anon, but for me realism (>>95897250) is more armonious, therefore, beautiful than your pic.

>>95893540
>There's plenty of amazing fantasy
Can you recommend me some franchises? The current mainstream ones are becoming less appealing for me.

>You could have a wizard discover an old super-8 camera with reels of nazi propaganda and create an army of bird-lizard-riding robots to fight fairies and elves with machine guns in a post-apocalyptic future Earth where a big-nosed wizard tries to horn-dog his way past every big-tittied fairy he lays eyes on.
I would actually pay good money for a film, book, game with this story. It blows my mind how Hollywood says "we're living in a brankruptcy of creativity" when anons like you in just 3 sentences can create a synopsis worth of following.
Anon if you someday make it in the cinema industry or master AI, pls create a film about this.

>>95898546
We already established the superior scifi perfect smooth armor with no gaps or weaknesses or pointless embellishment. You didn't need to make a bunch more threads.

>>95898687
Let me give you a better idea of it.

>>95895278
They should tho, but not just the chin, the whole body should be protected by a full-body armor with no gaps: >>95899392

>>95904409
I think every military on the planet deciding wearing chin armor isn't worth it, is a pretty good indication that wearing chin armor isn't worth it.

>>95904494
>I think every tribe on the planet deciding to use iron for their weapons isn't worth it, is a pretty good indication that weapons made of iron aren't worth it.
Welp, now we know the retard who wouldn't survive the Iron Age.

>>95894853
>Youtube still very occasionally pops up one of his videos but fortunately not as much as it used to.
Hes still going very strong, hes just been shadowbanned

>>95904494
There's exceptions (eg. Ghana) that outfit troops with chin protection, but generally speaking protection against melee is low priority for military, where primary concern is bullets and shrapnel and the men are mostly expected to shoot and get shot at. It makes more sense for riot police where some brawling with the opposition can be expected.
Armor is constantly trying to balance weight vs cost vs utility.

>>95904568
>Armor is constantly trying to balance weight vs cost vs utility.
You would think that in a scifi / fantasy setting, there civilizations of it would have found the tech to make an armor that has the balance.
I mean, that's the point of those settings, to imagine a reality different than ours.

>>95895278
>>95904494
>>95904568
Explain this one.

>>95905334
Sure, just wrap the troops in one micron layer of Narrative-Fiatium alloy that makes them immune to any and all damage except for blade forged from purest MacGuffinium and call it a day.

>>95905464
I mean, it's better than having a space-setting where they use WW1 tactics and weaponry but "in space" or the neverending-to-the-point-of-absurd katana-fights of anime.

>>95905378
Pretty sure those parts are respiration gear. Not sure how mouth seal is achieved (drop in mask? Force field?) but they're not there for armour purposes.
>>95905334
That'd be Dune with the shield tech, then. Or maybe unstable molecule fabric in Marvel (though that's not particularly tough).

>>95905334
Arms and armour are and have always been, well, an arms race.
That scifi/fantasy civilisation developed some really good armour? Well now their enemies have to develop weapons that can undermine that armour, and since they are a scifi/fantasy civilisation as well they will succeed eventually.
Now, since you are the GM, you can decide in which phase of this arms race the game takes place. So if you want "perfect" armour then you can have it.
And you can even shake things up for your players by reminding them that perfect armour is only as perfect as the time it takes to come up with a response.

Be creative with it!

>>95893409
>master expert

>>95895859
>you should be taking notes rather than trying to "fix" it.
The problem is people like OP want everyone to know they're big brained smart boys and thus are fixated on unrealistic things being unrealistic without even bothering to understand why things are made without a focus on realism.

>>95905334
>I mean, that's the point of those settings, to imagine a reality different than ours.
Some things are fundamental. Eating, drinking and speaking to people are much harder in a full face helmet. Condensation on the inside of the helmet from the moisture in your breath will always be a thing. etc.

Full face protection is a massive compromise and always will be.

>>95893409
>Armchair historian
>HEMAfag
>fatso
Why is this such a common archetype? Shouldnt people that play sport be somewhat fit?

>>95893409
> Master expert

He knows a lot of things but he is no expert. He is a mediocre writter with power-rape fantasies, who thinks his AI slop is a masterpiece and cant take criticism.

>>95907233
>HEMAfag
does he know?.jpg

>>95893409
> a master expert of medieval weapons and European history

This better be sarcasm. That fat fuck is no master in anything, only in being a pompous crying bumb.

>>95890279 (OP)
Make something good.
>but I want you to make it for me
Pick up a pencil and draw, faggot.
>>95890439
Urban Dredd is the worst armour and third worst iteration of Dredd.
Practicality isn't something you should aim for. Practical things with style is what you should look to emulate. Something familiar is good.
All your favourite fictional armours are incredibly flawed. That's fine.
>>95895122
>Iconic designs are basically defined by silhouette and color.
Yes, 100%, but you also need audience penetration.
Pull a rando off the street, give him the soldiers dressed in white from star wars and disneywars. Ask him which is the stormtrooper. It won't be disneywars.
Give him a Mk1, a Mk1.5 and a Mk2 clonetrooper from the prequels and ask him which is the clone. He'll say the Mk2, even though it's the ugliest and indistinct, because it was Episode 3.

>>95909229
Why the phobia against practicality?
How do you think the soldier would move, attack then?

>third worst iteration of Dredd.
Third? I thought the were only two, Stallone's and Urban's. Btw, both were good, are you retarded or what?

>He'll say the Mk2, even though it's the ugliest and indistinct
Ph2 helmet was the coolest one. And the one that actually looks like a skull, not the deformed and retarded stormtrooper's helmet.

>>95890468
>>95893874
>>95897250
But that's wrong, because real life plate armor was extremly fashionable, XVI century plates were made with same design as fashinable clothes, with all important elements for fashion of the time, as matter of fact full suit of plate armor would be just fashinable suit but made of steel instead of cloth with some compromises to make it work as armor
>>95904568
>There's exceptions (eg. Ghana) that outfit troops with chin protection
Isn't that just civilian biker helmet spraypainted in military colours?
>>95905334
>You would think that in a scifi / fantasy setting, there civilizations of it would have found the tech to make an armor that has the balance.
Problem is that with development of armor comes development of weapons that fight against said armor. Medieval peaked with plate armour that was light and protected against almost everything only for firearms, heavy crossbows to destroy said balance, so plate armor got thicker, but then forearms became more widespread and stronger to a point where making entire armor bulletproof would mean you caouldn't easly move in it so only breastplate and helmet were made thick enough to be bulletproof, then armies got way bigger, everyone had even stronger gun and now almost nobody is using armor. Tanks, early WW2 tanks were penetrated by anti-tank rifles, .50BMG was strong enough to penetrate tanks, then mid war tank armor is too heavy for AT rifles outside of soviet ones and only side armor, so heat rockets became the future, only for tanks to became to thick for used heat rockets so bigger were created, then compsite armour and ERA, but it turns out tandem heat could still beat this. APS systems only recently entered service in limited numbers and there are alredy systems build with purpose of defeating them, era bricks and tank's heavy armor. It's never ending cycle of armor and weapons chasing eachother. Sci fi super armor will be penetrated by sci fi gun designed to penetrate super armor.

>>95912287
I get your explanation of warfare evolution, my point is, how would you make it in a scifi setting then?

One the biggest problems with Star Wars and many other scifi / fantasy franchises is:
>final battle
>big weapon or "revolutionary invent"
>it's not destroyed by an even better and modern one
>but by the old one that is constatly used by "good guys"
>big weapon or "R.I." is never used again or if it's (Death Star 2 and 3) has the same mistakes than previous ones

>>95909229
>Urban Dredd is the worst armour and third worst iteration of Dredd.
This is the worst opinion I've read this month, outside the 'FATAL is actually good!' meme.

>>95912930
>One the biggest problems with Star Wars and many other scifi / fantasy franchises is:
Destruction is way easier than making something resistant. WW2 tank, cold war T-55, M1 Abrams and future tank all will get destroyed by if WW2 era 500kg bomb is dropped on them. Despite each generation having better armor it still can be destroyed by stronger old stuff, or even grenade if you drop one inside.
Both death stars were destroyed when someone damaged it's reactor, either by lucky shoot with rocket or by flying inside unfinished one and directly shooting it's reactor. It's not really a problem, it's simply fact of life that your brand new super technological toy can be rendered useless by some old shit, tanks are still vunerable to big holes in the ground, despite big holes in the ground predating tanks by thousands of years. DS 1 was destroyed by lucky trick shoot made by farm boy who turned out to be space wizzard on weakpoint put there by design, second death star was plan to draw rebel fleet out of hidding and engage in open battle going tits up when it turned out local stone age teddy bears could take on elite stormtroopers and turn off the shield. Will ignore sequell because it's just bad ANH ripoff.
Older tech and even improvised weapons can beat better equipped and technologically superior force if they use correct tactics and opponent use wrong, like Russia letting it's tanks go alone without escort into city in 2 wars in span of 30 years. Also remember that "muh Tiger tanks" were mostly destroyed by T-34, M4 Shermans and airstrikes, despite outgunning, outarmouring and having better scopes than lesser tanks.

>>95897444
Gross

>>95904512
Nigger what?? You're an idiot

>>95912930
Go War of the Worlds - superior technology countered by accidental discovery of bacteriological warfare.
Or Mars Attack that parodies it with weaponization of bad music.

>>95893819
It's not the same guy?!
But yeah I did too.

>>95905334
Balance between those things varies based on the situation and the types of weapons the user will face.

>>95890279 (OP)
Define goofy? The nature of the armor is just an aspect of the setting and tone of the story in general. The fact it is iconic isn't because of the armor itself but the entirety of where it came from.

>>95916729
>goofy
Ugly, deformed, useless, uncomfortable because "villains dumb" despite at the same time the film tries to show the "good guys" in real danger.
Star Wars overused it with Lucas and now with Disney + Marvel's humor.

>>95913247
Thanks, anon.

Do you have other recommendations? Cool if they show the warfare evolution of both sides.

>>95890279 (OP)
>Edgy and ugly = "believable" and "Iconic"
You're starting from the wrong point to begin with.

That "goofy" stormtrooper helmet is more iconic than any edgeslop you could shit out. Realism is a cancer on creativity, and the closer you get to realism the less unique and iconic your designs will be.

>>95893874
>Which is leagues better than the slop many fantasy artists have been churning out since WoW and mainstream anime.
You can't name a single memorable design that fits this criteria, but you can name WoW instantly by seeing something pauldroncore. WoW is far more iconic design than any realismslop.

You want iconic? Make an interesting design, then work on making it have internal consistency within the setting, not making it realistic. Because realism leads to boring designs.

>>95909229
>Ask him which is the stormtrooper. It won't be disneywars.
They're almost completely identical, and if you showed them a silhouette of pre- and post-disney stormtroopers, the average person would just say "that's the same picture" because not everyone is an autistic fat faggot.

>>95890439
also except the stupid x on his visor that would totally obscure his vision

>>95898655
>I would actually pay good money for a film, book, game with this story. It blows my mind how Hollywood says "we're living in a brankruptcy of creativity" when anons like you in just 3 sentences can create a synopsis worth of following.
>Anon if you someday make it in the cinema industry or master AI, pls create a film about this.

It already exists, That is a description of the 1977 Raplh Bakshi animated film Wizards.

>>95923292
>Realism is a cancer on creativity
Post-modernist juden detected.

>>95925179
Excuse my ignorance, but sadly I never watched it, my retarded country suffers cultural embargo, it's just Marvel-slop.

>>95912930
Most wonder weapons are very expensive and ineffective. Nukes are the one exception, and even then, we have thousands of them, not one, and both sides in the Cold War regularly worried about (and took countermeasures against) their nuclear capabilities being taken out before they could launch.

>>95930167
>fictional world
>fictional consequences
>unlimited epicness
>actually not 'cuz IRL doesn't happens like that
C'mon, anon.

>>95890279 (OP)
You missed the worldbuilding general nogames.

>>95913247
>weaponization of bad music.
That's not even fictional - Scottish regiments are fielding bagpipe players.

>>95925067
what do you mean?

Take a helm, then add shit until just before it looks goofy.

>>95893409
Did his wife take some of his swords in the divorce?

>>95909229
>Urban Dredd is the worst armour and third worst iteration of Dredd.
you can't just drop a turd like this and move on without carefully explaining yourself

>>95893819
He did. The medieval weapons guy is Shad, and does not, as far as I know, have a penchant for skull faced masks. Shadman, the loli artist, on the other hand, often appears with his face hidden behind a bandana featuring a skeletonised lower mandible.

>>95895278
Do motorcyclists? Because Dredd's main transport is a bike

>>95893409
>that fat slob wallhanger swangin creep
>master of anything but the spankbang searchbar