Thread 95892300

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>>95892300 (OP)

Thanks a bunch for all the help last thread in list building. A last tweak - is it worth it to upgrade to the Tarantula with medium lasers like here for just about 80 points? or should I try to get the Buccaneer a lower piloting for axe hits?

>>95892300 (OP)
I wish these had a thread question like edhg. Especially helpful when the thread gets totally derailed and people can use it to help restart on topic discussion.

Apparently rumors circulating that PGI are going to make another MW5 Clans DLC. Wonder what aerospace assets they add this time?

>>95892354
The opinion of a zoomer still playing mtg is worthless, it's been almost a decade since that went to slop hell.

>>95892363
LAMs

>>95892377
> Everyone I dont like is a zoomer
Why dont you leave your aggressive retardation in the last thread and try a fresh start here

>>95892300 (OP)
https://strawpoll.com/kogjR16E3g6

>>95892399
You seem confused. And your age is immediately apparent if you play current mtg.

cease your pointless bickering
discard contrarianism
acquire butte

>>95892354
>Thread Question
Here, I made this. It's the same every thread.

>>95892354
>>95892514
Fine, bicker over this instead. What mechs would Division M pilot? On a very related note, as far as I can tell there are zero shots of the entire team in uniform together in the OVA.

>>95892545
In fact, I'm not even sure the entire team are ever on screen together. At least ourgirl Irene gets lots of screentime.

>>95892354
Okay, which mech would he pilot?

There was a bit of discussion regarding the Sylph last thread, and now I'm interested in trying them but still a bit confused. Can someone help me understand, definitively, what they can and can't do as VTOL movement BA? Looks like they do have to match elevation to make anti-mech attacks or swarm? Also looks like AMM applies to the bomb rack, but that can be ignored by targeting the hex instead of the unit in the hex? Bomb rack has to be EXACTLY one elevation above the target, or AT LEAST one elevation above? Since they're VTOL movement, can they be booted out the back of a Kirghiz C at matching elevation?

>>95892534
Yes and some change can be good. It shouldnt hurt discussion and could certainly help.

Should Girls und Mech be developed fully into its own AU?

>>95892591
Forgot pic

>>95892597
Whoever makes the thread can post it in the first reply before they link the new threat to the old one. That way we don't have to try and cut something else to squeeze it in. It also means people can make a thread and not start the shitposting in the OP.

>Come back from working out after a day spent grafting
>"I wonder what /btg/ is up to today"
>Manic having a meltdown and accusing random anons of being me whilst demonstrating profound ignorance in yet another field
Par for course at this point.

>>95891407
Gods, your a pathetic clown.

>>95891360
Hes having a melty because he thinks your me. TL;DR months back he went on another "XYZ should exist as it does in my AU which is better and should be canon" rant involving the extinction of Gauss Rifles in the Succession Wars. I responded by pointing out that every magnetic using ballistic weapon (Gauss, UAC5) died in the 2nd SSW, thats what the lore states, and Manic took it that that means I literally know nothing about spooky magic magnetism.
He hates me because I kept calling him out on his bullshit and ban evading.

>>95891616
>Iron Wind METALS can instantly switch over to PLASTIC INJECTION MOLDING
Ill have to check but im pretty sure that IWM makes the Premium battlemech minis that CGL sells at events, and im pretty sure those are injection moulded.
That aside
If CGL invested a little into Battletech, as opposed to Laurens porch, they could easily kick up injection moulded minis in the USA. GW make their own minis in the UK, WGA make their minis in both America and the UK, im pretty sure Victrix makes their minis in the UK too. It would be expensive up-front but would soon pay for itself and be cheaper in the long run than buying from Uncle Peng. Your, once again, laughably ignorant on the subject at hand.

Speaking of, CGL could do sprues with 4-6 mechs and parts to make 1-2 variants each pretty easily, then sell the parts to make other variants in metal. For omnimechs they could sell he base sprue that contains the parts for the Prime and some other bits, then sell sprues of IS and Clan omnipods/weapons. It would be cheaper than their current production method, cheaper to package, and cheaper to ship, and people would love it.

Anyway, pic arrived today

Some people, man. Some people.

>>95892672
Why did you post a pic that's nearly 8 years old?

>>95892555
None. He's either part of an artillery platoon or part of an irregular infantry platoon equipped with clubs and machine guns.

>>95892672
Ran out of space.
Blackhawk is a Blackhawk KU, and is going in my 1st Genyosha once ive stripped and repainted it. The Jenner is missing the front, but i got it to convert into an Ambassador for some escort objectives, although I could also convert it into a Junior or Slowpoke instead. Fug it, might let the thread decide.
Also grabbed a Buzz Lightyear Zyclops to convert (at some point) into a 28mm scale Ostroc.

Whats /btg/ up to today?

>>95892696
Ah. British vs American way of writing the date. In the UK we write it as Day/Month/Year

>>95892730
>British vs American
No? ISO 8601 is the only appropriate and logical way of writing dates for something like this. You start with the largest unit and add granularity with each progressive unit.

I'm gonna need you boys to go up to the top of the page, hit that "Last Thread" link, and work out your tardation over yonder. If you can't do that, then stop posting until this thread is at least at 350 posts.

>>95892797
You think the guy who thinks Mechtecs suddenly forgot how magnets work can figure that out?

>>95892759
Go Dilate for your Smoke Jaguar elemental boyfriend you pedantic fuck.

Captcha: 8STD6 See? even the forum knows how much of a filthy degen you are.

>>95892797
Hey, I had no part in that punchup. Just laughing at the loser and his obsession with me.

>>95892862
Yet your the one who couldn't keep it to the last thread...

Ladies please, you're both retarded and in the wrong thread.

>>95892334
Imo, the Buccaneer with better piloting is funnier, so that's what I would choose.

>>95892545
>>95892551
What anime is this? Id like to add it to my watch list.

Going through everything ive got and embarrassingly I've got enough for a regiment unpainted. They exist in the faint hope of needing OPFOR for a campaign, which I'll eventually get round to running.

>>95892873
Oh go blow it out your pipe. Sperging out and getting humiliated is par for course for you now, just accept you fucked up, embarrassed yourself yet again, and let it die. Stop dragging your beef into the new thread, and leave me out of it for that matter.

>>95893067
Desert Rose.

>>95893087
Sorry I mistook one dumb ass Brit for another!

>>95893067
Desert Rose OVA. We've decided this blonde girl is with SAFE.

>>95892534
If I didn't post about politics, then how could I possibly explain why cgl's prices are going up?

>>95893134
An understandable mistake.

>>95893134
There's no difference anyway. Their entire miserable excuse for a country is inbred to the point of permanent retardation. That's why they've let communists and globalists take over their government. The moment you realize that a poster is from the UK, just report and ignore.

>>95893172
I'll refer you to panel 2. You're welcome.

>>95892703
In battletech commanders lead from mechs.

>>95893284
Unless they don't. Melissa Steiner was a groundpounder and some leaders aren't combatants at all. Katherine never stepped foot on a battlefield until she convinced a clan to take her, and then she was given the most OP mech they had and let loose on a chump in a deathtrap to "prove she is a warrior".

>>95893294
Except Adolf was a soldier, in the context of his time leading from HQ was standard, in battletech leading from a mech is standard, so he leads from a mech.
I'm thinking a Marauder or an Orion.

>>95893321
>Except Adolf was a soldier
He was a Message Runner, so he'd be in a Locust.

>>95892591
>>95892626

So as far as what I can confidently say about VTOL battle armor, seems to be:
>spend VTOL MP to go up/down/enter hexes
>facing changes are free, since BA has no facing

Things I've seen with conflicting info:
>get either a +1 or +3 AMM
The last reference I can find to this is errata from 2003 for the BMR, before the first printing of TW, and 'infantry never apply AMM' seems pretty cut-and-dry to me.
>movement through trees
I've seen no official errata for this, so idk

As for the rest: I'm going off the 3rd TW and using the errata pdf from the Battletech website.
>>Looks like they do have to match elevation to make anti-mech attacks or swarm?
Errata:
>Infantry units that begin a Weapon Attack Phase in the same hex and at the same elevation(s) of an enemy ’Mech may
choose to swarm the ’Mech, rather than use their weapons or attack its legs.
More errata: https://battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=29338.0
So that seems like a solid yes

>>Also looks like AMM applies to the bomb rack, but that can be ignored by targeting the hex instead of the unit in the hex?
>>Bomb rack has to be EXACTLY one elevation above the target, or AT LEAST one elevation above?
TW:
>An attack by a Bomb Rack may only be declared against the hex the unit occupies and only if the attacking battle armor unit is one elevation above the level of the underlying hex. The only to-hit modifier that applies to the attack is Attacker Movement modifier.
Errata:
>The to-hit number is equal to the battle armor’s Gunnery Skill Rating, with no other modifiers applied, including the –4 modifier for
attacking a hex.
So exactly one elevation above, only target the hex, and the TN is just your gunnery

>>Since they're VTOL movement, can they be booted out the back of a Kirghiz C at matching elevation?
I'm not familiar with aerospace rules, so I can't answer this one

Doing my best here, but if anyone else can point to a recent rules reference for these, that would be great.

Why do most people seem to play with the 3050s-3060s? I understand why they don't stick with introtech, because armless mechs kicking each other until someone's mg ammo explodes is kinda tedious. Does the Jihad and beyond introduce too many if-then-else rules with advanced tech that it gets tedious in its own way? Do people just dislike the writing decisions of the Dark Age and Il-Clan era?

>>95893332
In WW1, clearly the question is about his late career as a leadwr of his nation.
And no, it'd be a blitzkrieg and not a locust, you're not even trying.

>>95893359
Rules bloat and retarded fanfiction writing both play a role, but clickytech garbage is what set the bar for anything not FASA in origin being despised.
Couple that with MW2 nostalgia.

>>95893321
He wasn't an officer, he was a regular infantryman who got promoted to the equivalent of E3 and then became a regimental message runner.
In the context of BT, that's infantryman who gets upgraded to working the radio in a command vehicle.

>>95893405
To be fair, bidding and zell can make Clan Invasion scenarios some of the most interesting of any wargame.

>>95893408
>leader of a nation

>>95893429
He didn't participate in combat as leader of a nation. That makes him a Katherine.

>>95893429
He became Commander in Queef of Germany.

>>95893453
he led a war as one, see >>95893321

>>95893464
So did Katherine. From her throne room.

>>95893387

Gentlemen, please. You're all wrong. This question was answered decades ago. Hitler is a Battle Armor pilot.

>also, I just got back home after being in Chicago for work for a 4-day weekend and what the *hell* has been with the last several threads? Even for you people this has been unusually stupid.

>>95893469
reread >>95893321

>>95893480
Reread >>95893469
Katherine Steiner-Davion was a war leader in one of the few wars so big that it got an entire era named after it. WW2 is also a war so big it gets to be an era on its own.

Looking through my Unseens again and working out where to assign them. Whats your favourite unseen designs, lads? Im partial to a few.

>>95893359
Setting writing peaked in that decade and many people were introduced to it in more formative years, so it has a lot of fans. No one really cares much about what happens afterwards. CGL weren't up to the task of fixing the mess that FASA/Wizkids left behind.

The Jihad isn't played much because in that era all the cool toys are experimental or advanced so aren't in TW. At the same time, the only good thing about DA/ILK is that you can now use the BMM and find all the cool toys that are now standard rules. So you can agree to use that instead of fucking around for a Jihad game.

>>95893483
Also Mad Max, Janos and Thomas, and a bunch of others. Most successor lords have a military background, but lead their militaries from the capital.

>>95893473
At last we truly see! Now is Hitler and elemental is the question?

>>95892514
I have to break out my favourite star trek quote, but don't take it as an actual invitation to continue the bickering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5CETMV4nz0

>>95893334
Thanks anon, that's about where I'm sitting with them as well. I love how autistic CBT's rules are, I just with there was a little more love given to clarifying these things in an official capacity sometimes.

>>95893609
Maybe when they get around to redoing the rules again. TW is supposed to be replaced eventually and iirc there's also supposed to be an aerospace equivalent to the BMM.

>>95893496
How would you diverge post-FCCW from what we got?

>>95893483
You're being purposefully obtuse.

>>95893756
And you aren't? Most of the national leaders kept their ass firmly glued to their thrones during wars.

>>95893473
Let's go with something between star league and late succ wars, IS tech only.

>>95893773
Historic standard vs battletech standard, context.

>>95893681
I haven't thought about it much so here's what I've come up with just now.

The Wobbies wage the Jihad as a clandestine insurgency and politically machiavellian scheme designed to weaken the House Lords against Clan incursions, even by posing as Clanners themselves. They then publicly come to the aid of the House Lords with their superior tech once the Clans push their advantage. This continues until each side is weakened, however long it takes; the Clans by their aggression, the Lords by their pride. In their eyes it would be a just punishment on the latter for abandoning the Second Star League. The destruction is widespread but not as crippling due to lack of orbital bombardments, but that will change.

The Wobbies spur the creation of the Republic of the Sphere as a coalition to counter the threat of the Clans against Terra with themselves at its head. This (re)fulfills their prophecy of coming to power and expands their legitimate territory. The Blackout still occurs but it's also a conspiracy by the Wobbies to systematically cripple everyone in the Inner Sphere while their own hidden HPGs and worlds continue to function. While the Blackout is ongoing they begin destroying key House facilities and stage invasions, safe in the knowledge that the affected planets are isolated. By the time everyone's figured it out, the Wobbies are all but unassailable and the House Lords don't have the power to challenge them.

Then we get the big Clanner vs Wobbie showdown with both sides having IS auxiliaries. Clan Jade Falcon and Clan Wolf, once bitter enemies, form an uneasy alliance to strike against Terra while the other Clans either struggle against Wobbie aggression, leave the IS, or watch in the background. Does the alliance hold with the jewel of Terra in their sights? Do the Wobbies strike and destroy them both ? Do they get struck down only for the Wolves and Falcons to turn on each other? Any of those sound much better than what has canonically occurred.

>>95893506
>lords
>>95893483
>Steiner-Davion
He's not a noble and despises nobility, he wouldn't be a steiner regime ruler, he'd have been a steiner soldier who then leads a nationalist revolution against the steiners.

>>95893534
>but don't take it as an actual invitation to continue the bickering.
Awww...

>>95893838
In the Battletech standard, most national leaders keep their ass glued to a throne in war.

>>95893490
Thunderbolt, Marauder, Griffin, Battlemaster are my best boys. I've been planning on putting a bunch of my old Battledroid and Primitive sculpts in my Regulan Hussars just for the fact they're known for using any old junk they can get their hands on after the Jihad because fuck converting over to 2/3 tanks like everyone else.

>>95893901
Then he wouldn't be a national leader at all. Even the rebel leaders are nobles.

>>95893937
Actually, gotta add the Warhammer too. She's actually carried more fights for me than the Mad, just not quite as sexy. Archers have saved my ass a ton too.

>>95893852
I just can't see the Wobbies purposefully blowing the HPG net and having 300 years of replacing germanium cores on a thousand worlds to bring it back to snuff. It's the last giant piece of Star League super infrastructure left, and the main thing Blake put in their care.

They figured out how to do it as a fuck you weapon of last resort, but only someone as crazy and hateful as Stone would actually trigger it when he's winning.

Maybe something more akin to the Jihad White Out?

>>95893942
He didn't start his IRL revolution as a national leader either.
But I mean, you're still clearly being an obtuse faggot.
Hitler is Hitler, his movement and deeds remain the fucking same, the only thing that changes in this question is that it all is mpved to the battletech universe and timeframe, altered as little as possible to fit.
Marauder fits because he loved Ancient Rome, and battletechs succ war equivalent is Star league. Orion fits because Kerensky is a Star league hero icon.

>>95893991
Yes, and his deeds as leader of a nation reflect all the successor lords who sat their asses down on a chair in a palace on their capital world and stayed there while war raged on the borders. The vast, vast majority only fought when the fighting came to them, which is more than Hitler did in his bunker.

>>95893991
So a Locust, because as a Message Runner that would be the Mech he used before rising to power, the mech he would have gotten all those commendations for bravery and shit with.

>>95893983
Honestly surprised that's the only beef anyone's had with it so far. It's not that they're winning and then do it, it's that they figure out they can only win by doing it. It's a gamble born from them being prophecy-driven Jihadists who've already been burned once. Least that's how I see it. I also can't remember how much is CGL and how much is Wizkids any more.

>>95894032
Not what he would've had as leader of the german nation.
Noone thinks of hitler as his pre-ww2 background, so that is not the hitler in question.
You're being a bitch because you don't like who is in question, so you're reaching for any angle you can to shit on him.

>>95894060
Your entire premise is flawed from the start. You could say that Hitler keeps a nice big battlemech at home that "he pilots", but the idea that successor lords actually lead from the front all the time is simply incorrect. Most of them never fought anything personally as successor lords. A few did, but they're the exceptions. Hanse jumped in a mech when NAIS was being raided in his backyard. Sunny went out once in a salvaged Emperor and then had a bodyguard pretend to be him another time. Most of them did even less than that. If Hitler had gone out to the frontline in Berlin and taken a couple of potshots at a t-34, then you'd have a case. But he didn't. If he was in BT, he'd be among the majority who have a military past and no military present.

>>95894090
And honestly you'd have to respect the balls of a guy commanding from a Locust.

Where and/or what are the specific rules for calculating individual character carrying capacity based on your strength score in A Time of War? The books are so shit laid out, I cant find it, the index gives me nothing.

>>95894125
This is the man responsible for the designing of the Landkreuzer and the Schwerer-Gustav.
Which btw, would make a great mech for him if it wasn't a one-off frankenmech.

>>95892672
>Hes having a melty because he thinks your me.
Lmao that's pathetic. Not just a schizo but a malding loser too.

>>95894350
So what you're saying is he should be in a Matar (original immobile version).

>>95894363
Germans had tech in advance of everyone else, if he were in a Matar, it'd be 110% functional.

>>95894443
The Matar had plenty of advanced tech in it, like a Guardian ECM, and pulse lasers. It's a direct allegory of German wunderwaffe. Might as well have named it Maus.

I am about to paint my first lance and i need your help. i really, really REALLY like the blackwatch scheme but they have like a 100 different interpretations. is there some guide or website that A) shows me what the options are and B) how to do it? i tried the links in the OP but most are dead so dunno what secrets they once hold

>>95894481
Camospecs has a guide on it, and is the closest you're going to get to true canon. The reason there are so many interpretations is that the written description is more canon than any art piece, so any interpretation that matches the description is equally valid as any other interpretation.

>>95894481
Official schemes are on camospecs.com. Literally the only place for canon schemes visually other than the old camospecs book. Everything else is color descriptions with no visuals.

>>95894504
Camospecs schemes are visual canon. You even have schemes that do not have sourcebook descriptions canonized by camospecs.

>>95894512
>>95894522
okay so i pick the easiest ruin the first few minis i have till i learn how to do the what i want and then paint the onesi like and want to use. there is no easy way?

>>95894522
Yes, but the written description is a higher level of canon. Schemes that do not match Camospecs but do match the written description are accurate to canon. This is a good thing, requiring a perfect shade match would suck balls.

>>95894536
The guide they have up is probably as easy as it's going to get since they use a teeny tiny paint pen instead of trying to brush on the black lines.

>>95894536
>I want to paint a tartan scheme but I want it not to be difficult

Decals, bro. FPG has the tartan.

>>95894512
>Everything else is color descriptions with no visuals

Aside from the pictures in the Field Manuals and House books?

>>95894552
decals is cheating bro

>>95894537
Kinda. The OG BoG is definitely a powder blue with the stripes, but Shimsham put it on the current AGOC box as a more regular blue which bucks all previous material. The written material is just blue.

Then there's stuff like the 1st MAC which is obviously supposed to be shiny silver/chrome like knight armor but the description is just metallic gray which can be done completely wrong.

>>95894558
I was being general. There's limited additional reference and examples in other places, including SB covers. The original guide to regimental paint schemes is the only one with everything detailed.

>>95894571
Don't be a pussy about making the tartan, then.

>>95894477
But it'd work. After the war every engineer and scientist was scooped up because their tech and designs were next level When the brits and americans were still struggling to make a roket fly a couple kilometres the krauts were launching rockets hundreds of kilometres.

ok after the paint question is over how would you represent the dancer and backpipe player on the battlefield?

>>95894622
>the dancer
I miss the 3025 Highlander capellan strippers.

>>95894619
But it didn't work when they needed it.

>>95894622
Musicians on the battlefield is a proud tradition but an odd one in the 31st century

>>95894633
This isn't amaris.

>>95894657
Yes it is.

>>95894661
No, it isn't, this is a "what-if" in the late succession wars, amaris is history, the tech level is introductory, there is no clans yet.
You're still just being an obtuse bitch about it.
So it's still either a Marauder or an Orion, Marauder more likely because Kerensky is russian and Adolf hated russians.
Atlas and King Crab are also good contenders.
Thunder Hawk would be a perfect blend of big bad command mech and fitting name though.

>>95892555
A fucking atlas what are we discussing here lol

>>95894350
He didn't design them, he had a vague idea for a vehicle and effectively said "this would be sick, you should make some".

>>95894629
>strippers
i dont have a friedly response
>>95894650
would you use an infrantry devision or an mechanic one for it? would they use traditional instruments knowing they would not be heard but would be easiert to carry and care fore or advanced ones that are heavy, loud and complex but can shake the souls of your opponent?

>>95892833
Hey hey hey, lets leave my jags outta this ok.......

>>95894687
Just like Amaris, who is a direct allegory in many ways.

>>95894679
In the late succession wars as a non-noble who comes from an infantry background, he would be piloting nothing.

>>95894687
>responsible for the designing
Yeah I didn't say he did the actual designs, so thanks for agreeing with me.

>>95894679
Bro, Hitler being a commoner in an army lead by nobles and royals is a key part of his story. He wasn't a big important officer coasting on family connections. In the succ, that puts him back on the ground as an infantryman. Then he became a statesman after being disillusioned with the old system. As a statesman, like many other statesmen in Battletech, he has no reason to be anywhere near the front lines. Even most of the successor lords with mechwarrior backgrounds barely even touched a mech during their reigns. There's no evidence that Maximilian or Janos ever got in a mech after they took their thrones. You're playing Hitler up to be someone he himself would have hated and you don't even realize it.

>>95894710
Your wording was poor if that's what you meant.

>>95892555
IDK, probably an Archer. That's what all the heroes pilot in Battletech, and nobody is a bigger hero than Hitler. Except maybe Trump, someday, if he manages to kill more undesirables.

>>95894710
Bruh that is "Al Gore invented the internet" level.

>>95893490
In terms of aesthetics; Battlemaster, Thunderbolt, Wolverine, Griffin, Shadow Hawk.
In terms of tabletop performance, pretty much all of those except the SHawk, but also including the Whammy, the Archer, the MAD, and the Longbow.

>>95894839
No, DARPA did, which is the same as my previous statement because it's the organization responsible but no specific researchers are named.

>>95894701
Amaris is more of a Mao.

>>95895083
Amaris and the amaris empire do not really mirror the CCP's revolution at all.

I wanted to work on homebrew this evening and clean up my office but I have been struck by a deep and unabiding malaise. Also, haven't checked in much lately, anything exciting happen the last few threads?

>>95895250
Just a bunch of my dad can beat up your dad shit and also faggotry. But what else is new? I'm getting absolutely smashed on a Tuesday after putting new motor mounts in my car instead of typing up new minis in my collection so what can I really complain about?

>>95895250
Nope, just a smorgasbord of shitposting. Some new varieties even.

>>95895281
>>95895288
Neat.

My current project started as a specific "One Thousand Years From Now" mini campaign to play out the invasion of Galtor III in 3025 and it's possibly turning into a short generic Planetary Invasion campaign. It might end up being playable as either a sequenced campaign of five games or a big event with five simultaneous battles happening and influencing each other.

>>95895298
The actual Battle of Galtor book is amazing but also mostly geared toward Battleforce 1. Just a thought to help you build what you're up to.

>>95895311
Yeah, I read through it and HTP: Galtor for ideas, but ended up not using much because the focus on like, submarines and such wasn't very close to what I wanted to do. This is part of what's pushing me towards making a generic thing instead.

I just want to do Ace Combat shit with LAMs and an Argo Submersible Carrier.

>>95895323

Water shit is a premium theme of Galtor. If you want something a little more terrestrial, may I recommend Halstead Station?

>>95893473
>>95895250
>Oh no, neither one of us was here and absolutely had nothing to do with the threat of violence because one of us is a super stuntman!
Lol, right.

>>95893490
The original Cataphract seeing as it was a kitbash of a Glaug and Battroid mode VF.
God I love the William Keith issues of BattleTechnology. Kind of crazy that it was basically a professional fanzine powered by one dude.

>>95894679
>>95894706
>In the late succession wars as a non-noble who comes from an infantry background, he would be piloting nothing.
At best, a Locust!

>>95895384
I picked it because of the "last big battle of the third succession war" vibe, and it's a thousand years in the future right now, but I'm definitely leaning towards abandoning that theme for a generic invasion campaign. Also currently fiddling with my ideas for a non-battletech space combat game with newtonian movement.

>>95895385
Yeah, no idea what you're referring to. Did someone try to assassinate bottom again or?

>>95895542
Oh just the usual Internet Tough Guy talk of killing all the "libertard namefags" being called out on NEA having been a professional stuntman and thus, better than not could fold his would be attackers like a chair.

>>95895569
Realistically I am basically useless in a fight so I'll just stand behind NEA if this happens. He's probably physically capable but I also trust him to be well armed.

Oh also, my resin guy printed up these construction vehicles for me. Might get them painted tonight if the mood strikes. There's some SAS jeeps for WW2 too.

>>95895585
>Realistically I am basically useless in a fight so I'll just stand behind NEA if this happens.
Yeah, I didn't know how well you'd hold your own, but considering the average age of /btg/ is something like 30+, I doubt they'd accomplish anything if they weren't shooting to kill from the get go.

>>95895585
>>95895602
Samefagging.

>>95895585
These vehicles look chewy and cherry-flavored. Are they tasty?

>>95895657
Yes, but watch out (Toxic)

>>95895665
Nah, cured resin is pretty stable beyond the choking hazard, it's just an acrylic. Uncured is whole different ballgame.

I'm trying to build a mixed fire support lance for mercs, and I'm thinking about some LRM boat vehicle and TAG platforms. Is TAG generally better and more fluffy on mechs or vees like the J Edgar? Is a turret and a bit more survivability on the Partisan LRM worth it over the raw efficiency of the LRM carrier?

Anybody got the new hammerhead sculpt and the premium one? Are they 100% the same except for assembly?

>>95895789
You have to reapply TAG every turn, so you want it to be on something that can survive for a reasonable amount of time. Also, LRM carriers are fine, you just have to park them somewhere they won't be obliterated immediately.

trying some camo

>>95895819
Looking at it, the camo isn't coming through great, not enough contrast between the colors so it's just looking brown. That could be the camera though.

>>95895830
That's the camo problem. "Good" camo is blurry and indistinct by design. But good mini paintjobs have nice visible contrast to make details pop. I've seen genuine camo models actually get lost on the table since they're small, immobile, and don't stand out at all from the background.

>>95895819
looks like you dry brushed after camo? highlighting the edges with a uniform colour detracts from the overall effect. you're muting a lot of the camo with that.

I like them. I'd consider doing a wash and then re-highlighting some of the camo areas with their mid tone and then high tone?

>>95895864
Happened in my last game of Bolt Action, my opponent lost track of my Humber because its camo was working and missed a chance to kill it.

>>95895830
>>95895871
Thx for the feedback, yeah they look a bit fuzzy but I am having fun with them so far — they look like they’re deep into a campaign
We’ll see how they look once I paint some details
I took another pic with a separate light source but the phone camera is really not doing them any favors lol
They make the Clanners I recently painting look like clowns, that’s for sure

>>95895878
Haha I love it!

>>95895864
While this is true, you can play with the resolution on it to make a convincing 'camo' that reads like it's camo even if it doesn't 'work' like its camo.

For these I'd go back in and paint in a red brown, green or even bright yellow in 'rivers' to break up sections of color. The goal is to break in some hard edges that real camouflage is trying to avoid,

That being said, if you're happy with it, I'd just look at revising them when you have the metals and cockpits and so on in.

Attached are my lads. I should work on more of them, but I understand the difficulty of making good camo.

>>95895903
Black and white together is actually great for camo on minis. It's super high contrast, which is great for minis and terrible for camo, but it doesn't look "wrong" the way that, say, green/purple or black/orange would. So you get the effect of "this guy has camo!" without it looking like you half-assed the paintjob.

>>95895819
With regards to the actual minis, I think you might have better results if you separated the camo pattern from the panel lines. Right now most of the individual armor plates have a single color, which doesn't really look like camo, above and beyond the color issues previously mentioned. Camo tends to be kinda blobby.

All that said, brightly colored dazzle camo patterns look fantastic on mechs, even if they likely wouldn't work as well on mechs as they did on ships, and their effectiveness on ships was kinda questionable. Super rad though.

>>95892363
Well duh. Next up is probably the Green Chickens and then the Protagshieldwolfs.

>>95896453
Even muted dazzle would make a lot more sense. It's not like you're trying to actually hide a mech among the trees. You'd be trying to hide what sort it is and what it's doing and where it's facing. Naval camo also just looks cool and the dazzle concept is still in use, just not as strongly and not at a total expense of muted tones.

>>95895298
V6 of Instant Action might be nice but it'll probably be a let down for me like moving from using them for AS to using them for Classic

>>95894577
What's BoG?

I was thinking of a powder blue scheme for some mechs. I don't really care for lore-accurate schemes, but I may as well look at one.

>>95896693
I only do new versions with some sort of major feature change and I haven't had any ideas that would improve it. A version 5.1 is in the works, just collecting little notes of tweaks that need fixing. My layout guy has been busy lately though.

>>95896709
You said that last time and iirc that was months back. Just release the plain version and re upload when you have the "proper format" one

>>95895250
You're looking for one of two words, abiding or unabating, not unabiding.

>>95896776
The malaise cares not for your dictionary. But I worked through it, painting some British 8th Army artillery and worked on that space combat game's rules. I need to decide on a color scheme for my ex-Republic mercs though.

>>95893067
>>95893111
Apart from Irene it's the biggest crock of shit OVA ever. The manga is also not only bad but also unhinged

>>95892672
When did the Naval Gauss go extinct?

>>95897026
It didn't. The successor states could build naval scale weapons the whole time. There was just no point since you can't use them on a ground to air capacity, and they DID lose the technology to make interplanetary engines for capital class units. But naval grade weapons literally never went extinct.

>>95897038
assume there are genuine technical challenges to making a weapon the size of a medium drop ship.

>>95897038
then wouldn't every big major planet have tens of thousands of ground to orbit naval grade weapon emplacements so that anyone trying to force a dropship landing gets blown out of the fucking sky?

>>95897086
No, because as >>95897038 said, "you can't use them on a ground to air capacity", are you bad at reading or something?

>>95897051
What's the source on the clipped?

>>95897115
Interstellar Operations

>>95897150
The reference it points to in TacOps contradicts this. Which is the correct entry?

>>95897160
The Tac Ops copy I'm looking at only has extinction dates for some things, and naval gauss isn't one of them. I thought that was the point of the table in Int Ops.

>>95896701
The Davion Brigade of Guards.

Bros, I think I like the Ontos more than most Demolishers.

>>95897821
>use a 90 ton tank as an ambush vehicle
No wonder that the Atlas is the premier stealth predator of the IS.

>>95897821
I really like the Ontos.

>>95897999
The light Gauss is nasty, and a fusion one is a bodyguard that can plink away with LRMs too.

>>95898105
The LRM Ontos, while going complete against the mission profile of the stock version, is also decent as an LRM Carrier that actually has armor.

>>95898105
>>95897999
Get more Hetzers instead. Or run a Fortune if you're that afraid of suffering total misses.

>>95892605
If you have the energy then go ahead.

>>95898176
But it soothes my autism to use the same platform

>>95898176
Hetzers are funny but not enough armor

>>95898151
It's like a pocket Longbow. Really underrated, and only gets better with special munitions.

>>95893852
Yeah, I guess my beef with the Dark Age is that the fluff and proliferation of mixed tech makes the factions feel a bit less distinct. I think the actual Jihad era is more interesting than the Dark Age. Maybe the Il-Clan era is promising, but I have a hard time getting hyped.

>>95898151
Rhino and SturmFeur also do the job.

>>95894766
Archer Christifori piloted a Penetraror though =p

>>95895878
One game of infinity I left my Intruder sniper, painted in urban camo, on the board by mistake. She was still exactly where I left her a week later when I found her. At least 4 games had been played on the table in the 7 intervening days and noone had noticed her.

>>95898767
She was in total concealment, even from the players. She just never used her AROs.

>>95893852
>while their own hidden HPGs and worlds continue to function
Should clarify hours later that I mean their super-HPGs. Long term they'd probably want to replace all standard HPGs with those anyway.

>>95898569
IlKhan era is not promising in the slightest, at least not overall. Clanner supremacy through fiat was always on the cards but the fiat was even worse than anyone could have imagined.

The Hinterlands stuff is good for campaigning and as said earlier the BMM is a good thing too. But that's really about it. Maybe once they redo TW we might see more positive changes. Maybe.

Was it really a good lance for a royal guard?

>>95899389
>four Clan LPL
yes

>>95898844
>IlKhan era is not promising in the slightest, at least not overall. Clanner supremacy through fiat was always on the cards but the fiat was even worse than anyone could have imagined.
I was ready for a lot of clan wolf bullshit. I wasn't quite ready for "the Republic of the Sphere forces all volunteer to join clan wolf and abandon everything they hold dear to live under furfaggotry fascism, and even fight to defend it."

>>95899479
Do they still have much of the Clan flavor anymore? Or are they a generic mech force with Clan tech these days?

>>95899535
The latter. With "clan culture is... LE BAD" being the only instances where the clan portions get to act even remotely like their original culture.

>>95899479
Except the Belters. They're in the weird position of having fallen for Stone's fiat but still being immune to every other influence.

>>95892672
>im pretty sure those are injection moulded.
they are siocast and made by monster fight club

>>95899627
I think it's fun how they're openly struggling with the disconnect between a star league that wants people to actually like it enough to join and the brutal warrior culture that knows everyone hates it for how it behaves. Even Alaric himself doesn't seem to be sure how to square that circle. The Ravens orbitally bombarding civilian centers in his name isn't helping.

>>95899893
>The Ravens orbitally bombarding civilian centers
Doesn’t count, Capellans aren’t people

Lore-wise, it seems fairly common in organizations above the lance level to segregate mechs by tonnage. Are there any groups that have a doctrine that uses mixed weight mechs in larger scales? Say, a dedicated city-fighting group with zombie-mech assaults combined with jumping mediums, or a cavalry force with frontline mediums and XL-engine heavies to keep pace and provide fire support?

>>95900111
Aside from some rather prestigious units that have a preponderance of certain weight classes, most units are a grab bag of mechs up sorted mostly by role and speed.

>>95892354
Okay…
Well since the FedSuns are *Supposed* to be space-Camelot, what mechs would each of the old Arthurian knights pilot?

> King Arthur
> Merlin
> Sir Lancelot
> Sir Gawain
> Sir Galahad
> Sir Percival
> Sir Pellinore
> Sir Accolon
> Sir Kay
> Sir Ector
> Sir Sagramore
> Sir Morien

Challenge mode:
What mechs best suit:
> Morgan La Fey
> Mordred
> Nimune
> Guinevere
> Hank “The Boss” Morgan
> Robin of Locksley Arthur and Robin Hood DO cross paths in the book “The Once and Future King”
> Mad Madam Mim

Hard mode:
You can only assign the Black Knight once

>>95900249
The Black Knight obviously goes to Sir Morien. He is literally a black knight in every possible way. He wears black armor. Nobody knows who the fuck he is because he pretty much knighted himself. He's literally a Moor. He kicks a lot of ass. Black Knight.

>>95900338
You could say that ... he's a blackamoor.

>>95892354
What mechs would the mercs from TF2 pilot?

>>95900502
Scout -> Locust
Pyro -> Firestarter
Soldier -> Warhammer
Demo -> Archer
Heavy -> Atlas
Sniper -> Marauder
Spy -> lostech Exterminator, complete with NSS and chameleon LPS
Engineer -> Hunchback
Medic -> Battlemech recovery vehicle.

>>95900557
I'd think the Heavy would fit better in a King Crab than Atlas.
Demo would be more of a Hunchback unless running thunder LRM's.
There's something about the Engineer that screams Crab to me.

>>95900616
Yeah, Engie was the hardest to place for me.

>>95900616
Demo would be in something with hot loaded and Thunder LRMs. Engie can be in a Hunchback with the hunch replaced by two lift hoists to carry an automated turret trailer.

>>95900557
Why the holy fuck is the Demo NOT in a Highlander!?

>>95900557
I feel like the Heavy would drive a Pillager, and the Engineer would use something Capellan to spam Thunders

>>95900748
It's tbe Irish who love bombs, not the Scottish.

>>95900802
The demo man from TF2 is a Black! Scottish! Cyclops!

>>95900802
Clearly never been to the West of Scotland mate!

>>95900802
>>95900812
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=han3AfjH210&pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD

>>95900249
Merlin, Lancelot, and Galahad are obvious.

>>95900913
Agreed

>>95900557
> soldier -> Warhammer
I want you to watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFCbqUUsH7g&pp=ygUGI3NmbWhx
And tell me, does the soldier seem like the kind of put-together guy to pilot a warhammer?

>>95900616
Figure if anyone gets a crab, it's the spy

>>95900871
The IRA love bombs so much they carbomb their own people.

>>95901096
Doesn’t change the fact that the Demo is still Scottish. I don’t know what else to tell you.

>>95901157
He's black, not Scottish.
A mouse born in a barn isn't a horse, a cat that barks isn't a dog.

>>95901189
He’s a black Scotsman with a chip on his shoulder because there aren’t a lot of black Scotsmen out there. That’s his character.

Just accept it and move on.

What would they pilot?

>>95900249
> King Arthur
Either an Excalibur or a regent
> Merlin
Merlin
> Lancelot
Lancelot
> Galahad
Galahad
> Accolon
I figure he’s gotta be some ex-Clan, so he’s probably piloting a clan mech, maybe a MadCat or MadDog
> Gawain
Axeman
> Kay
Charger
> Pellinore
Orion, NO! Ymir!
> Ector
Thunderbolt
> Guinevere
Archer
> Robin of Locksley
Longbow
> Morgan La Fey
Raven
> Hank Morgan
Crockett

>>95892300 (OP)
>TFW your LBX-20 crits your WAACfag friend's precious vapor eagle and it loses its gyro
>Spends the rest of the game flopping around on the floor while the rest of your introtech zombie mechs hunt down the remaining targeting computer filled, goonhammer A-Tiered clan mechs

Inferno gel sticks to clanners

>>95901253
>Just accept it
No, it's an empirical falsehood, an absurd lie.
Your kind will never succeed in passing this bullshit off for truth or normalcy.

>>95901321
Assassins and Enforcers.

>>95901489
Normal people in scotland don't blink when you describe someone who was born and raised in scotland as scottish. Cope and seethe.

>>95901653
> cope and seethe
I think asking anon to cope might be expecting too much. I suspect we’re soon going to be treated to a long-winded rant that can be summarized as “REEEEEEEEE@&$?!#!!!”

I suspect it's been long enough to ask again, without crossing a line, about thouse Mech magazine scans?

>>95901653
>Normal people in scotland
So your argument is LITERALLY "No TRUE Scotsman"?
Because very recent news has shown that there are plenty of true scotsmen (ie; genetically so) that abso-fucking-lutely despise foreigners being placed in their land.

>>95901844
Pictures good. Scans not ready yet. I've gotten behind. I actually got to see a man about a 1973 Chevy Nova restomod tomorrow.

>>95901096
True cause on the 7th day the lord rested, but before he did he squatted over the side of England and what came out of him was Ireland!

>>95902080
woot on all accounts

>>95899627
That's a shame. Bidding and gaming zel to your advantage gave Clans such a unique flavor as a faction.

>>95902100
yahweh is a middle eastern entity that has nothing to do with Europe.

>>95902065
Nobody said anything about true scots, just that 4chan gutter racism is unusual.

>>95902241
>racism is unusual.
No sweaty, it's the global fucking norm.

>>95902241
>Normal people in scotland
Except you did anon, "normal" scots" implies anyone who thinks otherwise is abnormal, ie; no true scotsman.

>>95902241
Outgroup preference is exclusive to one demographic.

>>95902251
That isn't what no true scotsman is. You can make statements about what the average member of a community believes based on election results, polls and so on without saying that the people who deviate from that aren't "real" members of the community.

>>95902362
>average
You didn't say average, you said Normal.

>>95893681
WoB goes after the Clan Homeworlds and absolutely wreck them. When the IS Clans find out they lash out at the IS but they end up grinding to a halt when the SL2 stops them cold and actually drives them backwards. In the end they end up with the northern Periphery and little else under their control.

WD tries to lead an insurrection in the Chaos March and is crushed. WoB gets back from the Clan worlds, reinforces their IS brethren and wipes them out once and for all. Someone releases the info to the IS about the fake Marik and it rips not only the FWL apart but the SL2 dies and it starts the Fifth Succession War. Everyone ends up pulled into it, including the major Periphery states.

At the end of it the war is ended by sheer exhaustion, the entire area around Terra is one giant Chaos March, the SIC is reborn, the FWL is torn apart with half the systems wanting no more Mariks at all and the other half wanting no more tyrannical Parliament, the entire SD bloodline is wiped out, C* and WoB are gone because everyone just grabbed the HPGs and set up a new communications agency to set standards but doesn't actually run anything, the entire IS is broke because of the collapse of the Cbill and everyone's armies and navies are worn out.

And then there are the rumors of someone attacking planets of the old RWR looking for something...

Welcome to the year 3101...

>>95902384
I agree with all of this, but the death of the WoB and C*.

>>95901358
The Clans don't want you to know this but the RL packing variants of Introtech mechs are absolute monsters if you follow Zellbrigen. Good luck bidding a Clan light down to sub 700 BV and surviving the damage from SIX RL-15s to the face

>>95902462
BV and zelbrigen are unrelated.

>>95902481
Wrong. If you use BV you are required to use zellbringen.

>>95902490
zelbrigen comes from the gaming days when tonnage was the metric of fair battles.

>>95902526
This is untrue both in lore and gameplay. Clanners bidding down individual weapon systems to even out a fight are well spoken to, BV is just the crunch expression of it.

How the fuck do you think Zel bidding works in actual gameplay?

>>95902557
Bidding down is all about eyeballing it to make sure your friends and enemies don't later say you are a coward or that the trial result had nothing to do with skill.

There isn't a formalized system that says an ERPPC is 17 times as valuable as a small pulse laser attached to a machine with equal speed and armor.

>>95902526
And they offer a really interesting win condition, where winning is good and you have to actually accomplish the mission; but as an ambitious Star Commander you want to do it in the least dezgra way possible, since that'll make you stand out.

I think you have something really cool for a campaign with multiple Clan players where they're trying to compete to not just secure the objectivs, but to out zel their coworkers for that juicy promotion.

>>95902557
>How the fuck do you think Zel bidding works in actual gameplay?
It shouldn't outside of scenario games.

>>95902491
your invincible 100tonner dies to a panther kiting it.

>>95902681
It also dies from firing 4 of its guns at the same time.

>>95902675
It shouldn't even in scenarios. Zell should be retconned out of the game totally. People don't deliberately handicap themselves during war.

>>95902704
Clanners aren't supposed to fight wars.

>>95902557
>This is untrue both in lore and gameplay
Fucking zoomer newfags. Read a fucking book.

>>95902704
Get a load of this surat who cannot accomplish the mission without crying for all the support resources and perfect conditions. Star Colonel, send this unc to the solahma.

>>95901321
Tony and Silvio co-piloting a Battlemaster. Chris in a Hatchetman because Cleaver.

>>95901321
I feel like Paulie would have to pilot a Victor and make constant remarks comparing the AC/20 to his penis

>>95900249
Giving Lancelot to Lancelot and a Galahad to Galahad works, I think.

>>95902491
This is some real HYPER ENTROPIC WARFARE!!

Revolving conflicts around "this side would totally turbofuck you with their superior technology but they're retarded honorable warriorpeople and will only bring half their forces if you chestthump back at them the right way" was always stupid and unappealing for obvious reasons.
No one wants to play the faction that only stands a chance if the other guys give them permission to win. And people don't wanna play clans because they're retarded. It's a binary choice between playing by retard rules or playing as the retards themselves.

>>95903329
good news, the Inner sphere started collecting clan technology and especially mechs immediately. It's totally reasonable to paint up your Clan Heavy Striker Star tm in Lyran Royal Guard colors.

>>95903338
>playing IS but using clan mechs
>getting all the benefits of clantech without the contractual obligation to maintain maximum stupidity
But, but but... that would be ILLLEGAL!

>>95902681
A lot of assaults die to a kiting panther.
Even the well loved atlas and king crab probably wouldn't cripple a panther before they run out of LRM ammo.

>>95903329
>And people don't wanna play clans because they're retarded.
What kind of group are you playing with?
Part of the fun of the setting is the goofiness, otherwise why not just play a historic?

>>95903424
I see very few people advertise battletech as goofy or even mention the parts that are. Some of the most common complaints about the clans, if not battletech as a setting, are about how stupid the clans are.
Perhaps you are playing with an unusual group if they're portraying battletech as a setting of saturday morning cartoon comic relief.

>>95903422
Having played a few games with it, I actually prefer the atlas RS over the D. You lose a fairly significant amount of overall firepower, but the range advantage really helps in a lot of situations because you aren't completely reliant on the lrm alone past 9 hexes.

>>95903457
>in between millions of people being killed in the nightmarish conditions of the trenches of the first world war some of the soldiers stopped fighting and started playing football with each other
>this means the first world war is a completely unserious setting

>>95903477
Hey man, I'm just saying it's there, not that it totally defines the setting but the general idea of mechs is inherently ridiculous for a myriad of reasons that have been stated a million times already.
Maybe if you play campaigns rather than one-off skirmishes you can create a serious narrative, but a lot of the fun of the game is the funny stuff that can happen due to the luck of the dice.

>>95903457
>>95903477
And the clans still kicked their asses. Imagine writing a funny story about a clever IS ploy against them and then making it an embarrassing stomp yet again.

Honestly there's a level at which you need to take Battletech seriously and it's at a somewhat goofy level.

Are the clans a proud warrior race of goofy space furries? Yeah, paint some leopard spots on the Timby and lets get into giant robot fights.

Are the house commands various backwards flavors of space knights and samurai and what have you? Sure thing, paint some checkers on the Stalker and lets get into giant robot fights.

Is your stereotype, blood bowl team or favorite 70s anime not represented in a given time period? Grab a handful of mechs at random out of a bag and paint them lime green and call them Limon's Raiders and get them killed for Cbills.

If you buy in on it, the silly parts are fun and grease the wheels for all the other cool parts.

>>95903503
Hail to the king.

>>95903506
>>95903446
I'm not saying retarded as in not realistic or they don't have verisimilitude or that I want it to be super cereal or something. I'm saying retarded as in they're poorly written and unlikable.
They're extremely pivotal to the narrative of the entire setting and half the players flat out just don't like them.

>>95903515
I think they'd have been better received if there was more room for yourdudes. Maybe not clan mercenaries per se, but there could have been free guild warriors, or a warrior pilgrimage system where they fuck off for a couple years on the assumption that a true warrior can handle anything life throws at them and they'll appreciate their clan more for having to survive without it.

>>95903527
Oh like the amish walkabout year or whatever it's called? That would make them a bit more approachable at least. Clan culture is so divorced from reality that it's practically impossible to relate to on any level. Like, I probably have more in common with a Sentinel Islander than I do with a clanner.

>>95903497
It is there but, just like real life, it is the exception.
The overwhelming majority of battletech fiction is played 100% straight, the technology treated completely seriously and the writing attempts to give everything as feasible explanations as possible.
Most players that engage with the fluff to any degree treat it with some level of seriousness because battletech is portrayed and advertised as something like a historical wargame for an alternate history, and that attracts people who treat it as such.
>>95903515
A lot of the poor writing is simply unavoidable because the clans themselves were written with the primary goal of being brutal and weird, there was little thought initially given to how they fit with everything else.
By most metrics their society should have died on that suicidal journey or in that cluster of hellish worlds. But the clans were created with an extremely narrow vision for what they were supposed to be and their story was written with all the subtlety and wit of a random underage 40k fanboy's fanfic of the imperium invading the battletech universe and killing everyone.
But a million people have went over this constantly for a full three decades by now. The origins of the clans, their way of life, their conquest of the inner sphere, all that is set in stone. Nobody in an official position wants to change it and much of it can't even legally be changed due to the baffling stupidity and insane greed of those that came before(some of which are still present).

>>95903527
The problem is that the conceit of the clans come with the buy in; you need to at least be able to work them in to how clans work.

I've considered putting together a binary that are a ship-born snow raven garrison that totally aren't supposed to be anything more than advanced parties securing landing sites and shit; no you can't see the mechs we're repainting them. Yes we repaint them a lot but they're definitely on the ship being repainted right now along with their dropship. The pilots are in an important meeting with the star colonel right now. Anything you hear otherwise is unsubstantiated gossip and they are definitely not like some kind of Clanner A team.

You could do dark caste forces, and various galaxies have reputations and quirks to build around that you could expand upon with your own formations; but like a house command they work a certain way and they have to for them to be part of the forces.

>>95903532
I was thinking more like a samurai musha shugyo or knight errant thing. We just add a tiny bit of nuance to the clanner mindset so it's not fighting for "money" that's abhorrent, but fighting for "profit". Fighting for money because you need to keep your mech maintained while you wander around picking fights and maybe taking up the occasional honorable cause would be seen as different than fighting for money because you want your bank account to have black numbers. Not like the clanners aren't already hypocritical about everything else they do.

>>95903527
>or a warrior pilgrimage system where they fuck off for a couple years
They're called Seekers. Further proof that Goliath Scorpion is the best clan.

>>95903527
I feel like the best you can hope for with that is a goliath scorpion seeker.
Goliath scorpion and the scorpion empire is probably the most interesting and least hamfisted clanners have ever been and ever will be written. And it still involved a clan effortlessly steamrolling a pretty interesting and unique deep periphery state.

>>95897478
Thanks. Although every source I've checked depicts them in royal blue, not powder blue.

>>95903561
>>95903562
I'm talking more hypothetical. At this point it would be a huge retcon far beyond any other retcon to add that kind of thing to the general clan system. Some of the free guilds have started hiring mercenaries on their own volition in ilclan, and aside from Seekers that's probably all we'll ever get.

>>95903564
Check the OG source, not the french flag Civil War Faggotry, which get walked back after the Jihad BTW.

>>95903578
that Atlas is standing poised like a Soho rentboy

>>95903605
it's traced from a scopedog

>>95903605
Why do you know what Soho rentboys pose like?

>>95903633
you need to stalk them for a few hours before the knife criming innit

>>95903611
https://knights-of-the-multiverse.fandom.com/wiki/Scopedog
"though they do have extremely thin armor, meaning their pilots have a very low chance of survival, having them be commonly referred to instead as "Bottoms". "

well. that tracks

IIRC there's a DA? era ex-Marik soldiers-turned-mercs that protects the planets that now lacks military with minimum price. Anybody remember their name?

>>95903796
Marik Protectors

>>95903816
Damn, what a straightforward name. Thanks

>>95903825
And the 4th Marik Protectors are no longer ex-Marik since they've been reinstated as the 18th Marik Militia.

>>95903527
Clanner Rumspringa would be a more gameable way of keeping Clan weirdness in the settings than what we got. Being weird birdfuckers (or wolf, or cat, etc) is half of what makes them memorable outside of a few designs that knock it out the park. The Timber Wolf is way more interesting when attached to a culture of lunatics screaming about "refusing my batchall" than as some OP salvage that every OC donut steal Merc unit seems to have.

The more they act like a real military, the more they blend in with the rest of the setting. Clans going straight to a grand melee instead of attempting zell as their idea of common courtesy is cooler when it's reserved for specific situations or factions, like against WoB or Green Birds vs Sneks.

>>95905120
>The Timber Wolf is way more interesting when attached to a culture of lunatics screaming about "refusing my batchall" than as some OP salvage that every OC donut steal Merc unit seems to have.
In my defence I've got something like 6 of the bastards thanks to cgl plugging it into every damn box and pack they can, plus an old metal one. There comes a point when you run out of clan units to assign them too and Great House battalions to give salvage.

>>95905458
I have 0 madcats.

>>95905458
They do? Because at this point I have more Novas than I do MadCats.

>>95905458
Actually at this point I have 1 MadCat but 3 goddamn Wolfhounds.

I don’t even know what the hell I’m supposed to do with that many.

>>95903657
Fanwank.
There is no actual "V" in Japanese bro. The name of the show is ボトムズ.
ボトムズ = Bo To Mu Zu. The u's are basically unvoiced. Votoms/Botoms, the reading is the same.
And yes, ヴォ exists now for a more accurate "Vo" sound but that didn't exist in 1983.

>>95906048
>>95906343
>wolfs dragoons star
>invasion box
>alpha strike box
>Pretty sure it's in another
>salvage boxes
Want more novas though, novas are cool.

>>95906467
>>95906354
I have like 3/4 each of blackjacks, Enforcers, and Riflemans.

>>95906696
Tbf, those are all relatively common staple mechs

>>95906467
I don't buy any clan packs.

Is it true that part of why Il-Clan took so long to come out was because they didn't pay Ben Rhodes and he wouldn't provide a manuscript until they did?

>>95905120
>than as some OP salvage that every OC donut steal Merc unit seems to have.
The lans lost the invasion, so yeah, LOTS of clan salvage is floating around
>To the victor go the spoils
If you don't like it, play introtech only.

>>95906758
Based

>>95906354
>I don’t even know what the hell I’m supposed to do with that many.
You wouldn't have these kinds of problems if you printed. Only exactly the mechs you want in the quantities you want.

>>95906354
I have 4 Wolfhounds and 2 are in lyran companies, 1 is fedsun, and the last is my dudes. I had like 5 catapults from lots or Chinese factory thieves pairing it with a mech I wanted. Gave all but 2 away I dont like catapults.

>>95906696
The blackjack is in 3 boxes/packs along with the Rifleman. Enforcer is in either 2 or 3 I cant.remember but all 3 make sense you'd have dupes and at least theyre fairly common and cheap in BV that theyre not hard to find a home for.

I have about a dozen Orions, plus a couple Perseus.

>>95906758
Don't think anyone does. I routinely see Clan forcepacks the only ones unsold.

>>95907273
The only one I ever bought was the Cavalry Star, and honestly I don't even remember why. I think I wanted the Griffin IIC for something. Maybe it was Hinterlands related.

>>95907273
I think the issue is that it doesn’t take long before you end up with enough Clan Mechs. Problem being that they are just so goddamn expensive that in normal games you just don’t get to use a lot of them.

That and Clans are actually a hard faction to master (because you either have to get used to being at a significant disadvantage on action economy, or only ever fielding lights) so I suspect that a lot of players get discouraged and stick to IS factions & mechs.
it’s true, in a 6k BV match the IS player is fielding between 4-6 mechs while the Clanners are relegated to 2-4 mechs, and 2/3 of them are probably elementals.

>>95907523
Counterpoint: elementals fucking rule, and the other option is just to play against other clanners and raise the BV limit.

>>95907523
There's also a good chunk of people who simply don't like Clan mechs. I know a number of people just find them boring.

>>95907584
This, I have used a fair number of clan mechs, but all those LPLs and ERPPCs just really aren't fun anymore. You'll never see me using a Warhawk unless it miraculously found its way onto an IS RAT in one of the very few RAT games I play.

>>95907523
It's not like Elementals are bad or useless though? Worst case, you can just use any of the other Clan BA.

>>95907569
>>95907751
Oh, no doubt. They are one of my favorite units, and I’ll be the first to call them a lynchpin unit in Clan formations.

But as they are also one of the cheapest units Clans will typically field, they also illustrate how tight a Clan Player’s BV budget is. They need to have their lists carefully balanced and they still need to play very smart.

Which means you don’t get a lot of opportunities to just throw something in on a lark, or really experiment. So you end up with a small pool of go-to high-efficiency mechs that you only ever use every time and that gets boring.

Like, I’ve never gotten to actually use my Kodiak or Grendel, and the Stone Rhino and Nova I’ve only ever gotten to use once each just because most of the time I want to use them, they get pushed out due to budget constraints

>>95908096
Yeah, it's hard not to just pick efficient but boring designs like Stormcrow Primes given the initiative advantage the IS player usually enjoys.

What's the correct play in this situation?

Why are infantry platoons to expensive c-bill wise? Do they take our life insurance policies that tankers and mechwarriors don't?

>>95908377
The price assumes professional soldiers who are being paid full time and went to at least basic training and are led by someone who went to officer school. Also all their gear, although that's peanuts in comparison.

>>95907213
A man after my own heart. I've only got 3, but the Orion is my favorite mech.
>>95908377
PBI need the extra encouragement.

>>95908377
Let's say we are playing a campaign in an alternate rule set where infantry are priced more realistically. Two players agree on a 10 million c bill budget. One comes back with a balanced lance of lights and mediums. The other comes back with three backstabby lights and a battalion of motor rifles.

>>95908610
Haha fair

>>95906354
I too have to too many Wolfhounds problem. One from the striker lance, decided to pick up a Kell Hounds lance for a Nightsky, went to a LGS event, won another KH lance. The Somerset Strikers pack and had another Wolfhound, then I saw some salvage boxes in the wild and decided to buy one for kicks and got another fucking Wolfhound. Never again. I let my kid paint it.

Would swapping in a TAG into an Assassin make it less of a piece of shit, but still feel in the spirit of the design?

>>95909007
the spirit of the design is that it's a piece of shit.

it's like a cicada or a vulcan, sure there are loadouts that are decent~good, but do you really wanna use those?

sometimes you just want a useless jobber that the enemy will undervalue so you can run up and kick stuff.

>>95909007
Really the only fix that would make introtech Assassins interesting is if they had a goofy ass prototype Stealth Armor in the same way that the Raven 1X is running goofy ass prototype ECM.

>>95909052
Immolate those that insult Vulcan, provided they are infantry.

Also I don't think the Cicada is good, but it is neat.

>>95909100
There's a PPC cicada that's worth it. The ones with snub PPCs aren't terrible just because they have a snub, and that thing is kinda like a pulse laser (short range 9 is good for dice).

I used a LGR + stealth armour assassin a fair bit in MWO, very cheeky build if you have consistent aim. But it's dps is very low so you mainly use it to annoy people into moving into your team's real firing line.

I think the thing here is related more to: >>95908096's sentiment. I don't find CBT very fun if people are only using mechs that are actually good. It vastly limits your choices, and BV doesn't really shake out that well.

I love me my shitmechs.

are gauss cannons OP in this game like they are in Mechcommander 2?

>>95909052
The spirit of the design is that it can outrun and outgun wasps and stingers, you drooling retard.

>>95909007
Yes. Fuck the LRM 5 off and upgrade the SRM to a 4 pack, put an extra ton of armor on, and TAG. Can jump around TAGing things and squishing bugs.

>>95909154
I wouldn't say overpowered, but they are pretty good. They are long range and high damage but very heavy and explode when hit.

>>95909200
I feel like TAG and iNARC on a 7/11 would be pretty obnoxious, provided you brought friends with LRMs.

>>95909187
>a job that's done infinitely better by a slew of mechs
>these mechs include other wasps and stingers

ok? if you're gonna talk like that, you could bring a panther or a wolfhound. or, y'know, a locust? literally anything but an assassin. stingers and wasps don't even go fast enough to be a problem for other mechs to deal with.

>>95909154
They're arguably better because you have to always respect the possibility of getting your head taken off at LRM ranges

>>95909052
The new Vulcan 7T is a nightmare to anything that isn't a mech, but it's still perfectly in line with the original intent of the unit. It's even a model match for it, but with a Plasma Rifle instead of an AC/2. Its big weakness now is that all of its weapons except for a singular ermlas use ammo, and it doesn't carry an excessive amount of any of the ammo it needs. One battle is just about all it has in it since even its Heavy Flamer uses ammo.

>>95907119
>I dont like catapults
Fightin words pal

How will they bank on the current wave of GW shooting themselves in the foot?

>>95909817
Exist.
Existing in a visible way seems to be working out for them just fine, so I expect more of that.

Would it be too mean to upgrade my Gallowglas to the variant with a gauss rifle and tarcomp? I like it but I feel like original version is kind of anemic. I mostly play against clan and jihad era stuff.

The urge to paint up a Green Bird Supernova and chew the scenery at the table is calling to me like I'm Gollum.

>>95909007
> Assassin make it less of a piece of shit
Is it though? For 750 BV, the ASN-21 seems like they took a slightly heavier Valkyrie and modified it to be a multi-role mech instead of a LRM boat.

Which I’d say went over about as well as the Shadowhawk, but, again, for 750 BV can you really complain?

>>95909555
Oh? Honestly my fallback with the Vulcan is the one that swaps out the AC2 for an Ultra AC5. I just thought it made the mech slightly better at dealing with other mechs without compromising its original mission of being an infantry hunter.

>>95906387
Who cares, if they're taking it up the ass?

>>95909916
For points you're close to a fire javelin much better all around. A few points under a basic panther (under BV if you use the LL one).
Every commando aside some weird DA ones..

I can't get into the Assassin at all. I think turning it to full support like mentioned >>95909245
would be best maybe a few SPLs as defense and popping hidden infantry but zip around and set others up to hit hard... not fitting of the name but I digress.

>>95909978
Yeah, the 7T has a Plasma Rifle, Heavy Flamer, Heavy Machine Gun, and ermlas, and a tarcomp.
But all of those need ammo, the Plasma Rifle has two tons, the MG has half a ton, and the Flamer has one ton, and all the ammo is in the RT with CASE II. So it's powerful, but it really only has the endurance for one fight.

>>95909983
It's not really an Assassin, but in campaign play, it's the kind of thing that can run by your wall of steel, outrun your bugs, start torching depots, infantry, and vees with infernos, and pissing you off with lrm potshots.

With TAG and Narc, it could hang back pissing you off at the start of a match, and close in to narc everyone left for javelins or whatever is packing arms to help the team finish the job. And if you lose it, it's an Assassin chassis not a massive loss. Like a Kintaro that to a greater extent expects a lancemate to finish the job.

>>95909875
You're taking a energy zombie and giving it a gun that explodes

>anemic
You can jump and shoot the ppc and larges and only gain negligible heat thats not bad

>>95906354
Buy another and surpise people with 'buttrape wolfhound lance'

>>95906354
You can never have enough or 'too many' wolfhounds.

Is brainmatter beige really the best course of action as a primer? a friend recommended it and i saw his minis, and they all looked really toy/fabric new like,

How do you deal with the paint equivalent of a bald spot? Like no matter how many layers, no matter how thick it's applied. It just never sticks.

>>95910249
I jerk off

>>95910126
I suppose that's right. It hasn't done terribly bad so far either, I think if anything only jumping 3 hexes miffs me more than anything else. But I'll probably keep running it as is for the time being, give it time to grow on me.

>>95910249
Scrub it with dishsoap and then apply paint-on primer.

>>95910316
Ah thanks. The set I got luckily came with some. Though I feel like some of the other speed paints in the kit come off really easily. So Im not so sure. Aw well that should make it easier when time comes to simple green.

>>95907119
Got a line on any good factory thief deals these days?

I remember ebay used to have a guy that would sell random bunches of obviously stolen models (they were heavily weighted towards AGOAC box models in my experience).

There was someone on aliexpress recently that sold 5-packs of turretless/accessoryless vehicle chassis. I actually bought a few lots just to have a few extra "official" bases around.

I have never seen a thieve that sells what you seem to be describing (two-packs of random mechs?).

>>95910352
Always apply primer first. Regular paint doesn't want to stick to plastic, metal, or resin and any paint you've applied directly without primer will barely stick at all. There are a few exceptions (like Reaper's Bones material that's hydrophobic and needs a layer of regular unthinned paint to go on first), but any BT model or 3d print won't fall into them.

>>95910303
I always forget its got 3 jump, but its still a solid design. The gauss model is ok but adds multiple weaknesses to what was a resilient design. Everything is on the right side of the mech giving flankers an easy left side to exploit and if you lose the RT you lose everything but a single medium pulse laser.

>>95910249
bald.

>>95910387
I prime my minis with inks or random acrylics I find on my desk

>>95910387
I used primer, granted, it was some you'd use for cars. But I figured it worked since it said it could be used on plastic.

>>95910467
Probably just missed a spot then. Scrub gently with a stiff brush just in case there's greasy residue and reapply brush on.

>>95910467
what the fuck are you doing to your mini that could even cause this? are you just greasy? like, literally, did you just put your disgusting greasy smegma fingers all over the mini?

>>95910467
Automotive primer is usually better than the "primer" sold by miniature companies (which is sometimes identical to their paint formulas, despite some posters having a cultlike devotion to the idea that primer is chemically blessed and will spiritually bond with the plastic surface of their miniature in a union that is stronger than time and space)

>>95910478
This is insane and trolling. I've never done this or heard of anyone doing this.

(You) are retarded

>>95910358
They didnt do random pairs, they sold in pairs. Meaning youd get a Puma and a Commando or something like that. One mech was almost always an AGOAC mech. They DID do random grab bags though and you could get a random set of 5 or 20 for dirt cheap. The accounts I bought from are all gone for the most part, some are still there but the prices arent as good anymore.

Im not linking them either. Too many snitches here.

>>95910491
Your limited experience with miniatures is showing then. I've had to scrub the absolute fuck out of more than a few nasty greasy resin minis. TTCombat in particular uses some kind of grease for their models and it is completely immune to paint. It's even resistant to soap, you can't just gently wipe that crap, it won't go anywhere if you do.

Can MCA or NEA come collect your belligerent slut please? It sniffed an alcoholic drink or something.

>>95910484
Greasy? No, my skin is really dry. To the point where it causes medical conditions.

>>95910491
You're very inexperienced with building miniatures, then.

That is standard procedure with any resin model, and good practice with any model that comes out of any mold (although hard plastics usually don't need a mold release and come out clean).

>>95910507
>>95910541
sounds like ur stinky

>>95910539
gross

.

>>95909804
>bad at fire support
>mediocre at close range
>but at least it has jumpjets!

Yeah, nah, the Catapult is trash.

>>95909817
>catalyst
>strategy

>>95909817
They will proceed to shoot their own foot, since they copy everything GW is doing if they can to attract more 40K fans.

>>95908610
I mean that's just running into the other half of the problem, that infantry shouldn't take up equal turns to mechs in the initiative system.
They even realize this and fix it with the assets system. You can't initiative dump with infantry. Add on a removal of the round up rule and a general improvement to anti-infantry weapons and this should be a pretty reasonable scenario. Much of any infantry should be utterly incapable of harming or evading a light mech.

So PGI just added a second IS Omni to MWO
https://mwomercs.com/news/2025/06/2992-patch-notes-143090-24june2025
This time its the Gauntlet.
They really are desperate now they're scraping Derp Age shit?

>>95911774
It was less work since they already had the bushwacker. Call it smart or lazy depending if you like the company or not.

>>95911820
They're probably salivating about the idea of the Mad Cat Mk IV for milking the remaining whales.

New thread

>>95911883