Thread 95894197

Fightin' Irish Edition

>What is Trench Crusade?
An alternate weird history 28mm/32mm tabletop skirmish game still in a pre-release playtesting phase but with the full release slated for this year. Based on the art and lore of Mike Franchina, whose illustrations you may have seen floating around on /tg/ for a several years now, and designed by Tuomas Pirinen, one of the original creators of Mordheim. It's grimdark, it's visceral, it's awesome, and it's very Blanchitsu.

>What Trench Crusade is not
TC not an excuse for you to discuss IRL religion, history that didn't occur in the game, culture war shit, or discord bullshit on /tg/. Keep it on topic.

>What's the QRD on the background?
The Knights Templar turned heretic and opened the Gates of Hell when they took Jerusalem during the First Crusade. Over 800 years later the war is still ongoing as technology has developed to a pseudo diesel-punk WW1 standard and a third of Humanity has sided with the Infernal Princes.

>How do I get started?
All the files are free online, but are split between the website and the discord. They have all been collected here for your convenience:
https://mega.nz/folder/70QH0BBa#Eg-blxYQKkY_C02wErnFTQ

>third party sources for making trenchers:
https://pastebin.com/YzXPVUAc

>Trench Compendium
Compendium: https://trenchcompendium.netlify.app/
Feedback Form: https://forms.gle/k44MxmJxWu3upDHT8

>Previous thread:
>>95784749

>Thread Question:
What's your favourite piece of fluff so far?

I still can't find a good use case for muskets. Does anyone else have any good ideas?

>>95896119
I was going to say dirge thralls, since they have no upgrade potential so you dont want to give them anything too expensive, but that faction gets a blunderbus that is the same price and is actually good for its point cost, albeit reduced range.

Seems like a kind of "sidearm" for melee characters, where it costs next to nothing and has good range.

>>95894197 (OP)
>TQ
Path of the beast easily. I like how its people abandoned by civilization, so they abandon their civility and humanity. Also I'm interested in seeing what is their leadership like.

>>95896149
But even in that case, wouldn't actual sidearms/handguns be a better? They have less range, but they can consistently do better damage because they're not -1d and depending on your setup, you might be able to use them along with a melee weapon in melee.

>>95896331
Honestly I have this same issue with pistols. I just can't justify using them on basically anyone. They don't have assault so you can't actually shoot with them on the way in, so they're only useful on units with a significantly higher ranged stat than melee, which is... not very many units. Sultanate units don't want them because they can't use alchemical ammo, and while the idea of a sniper priest doing gunkata stuff with dual pistols in melee seems rad, they don't have Tough. And everyone else that has a higher ranged either can't use them or doesn't want to. So... combat engineers maybe?

Automatic pistols seem like an upgrade in that regard because they at least have assault, but most of the time those are heavily restricted and they're not cheap. Like for stigmatic nuns, two swords and a war cross is a better setup and a lot cheaper.

>>95896509
I wish that prisoners could carry muskets, at least they'd have some kind of use

>>95896119
Muskets are pretty okay starting ranged weapon for troops if you are low on ducats after kitting out your elites/heavy hitters. Remember that unlike Mordheim/Necromunda you aren't locked in to weapon sets which means you can change out and sell weapons.

>>95896590
So, muskets are a starter weapon for building up blood markers? Damn, I wish they could take alternate ammo, though.

>>95896331
Kindof. Remember, a weapons effectiveness at range is only full when its half the distance, past that you have a -1 to the rolls. Its why stuff like the warcross are good. They dont have falloff. A pistols has innately short range, and is only effective at half of it.

>>95896884
That still puts the pistol's 6 inches to the musket's 8 inches, which feels more terrain dependent than to be a reliable consideration

>>95896891
Im just putting it out there, musket also gets a bayonet but then that makes it more expensive than the pistol, which counts as a melee weapon in melee at no extra cost and is 2 handed. Seems useless if you arent inretested in the small increase to range.

Its a wierd one, but then again, if they were viable for whatever reason and not just for thematics, it would be pretty stupid to have a game set in WW1 where most units are using muskets. Dirge blunderbus makes sense only for that faction who are suppose to be really old. Like it feels like a weapon only wretched and thralls would have, but thralls cant use ranged weapons outside of dirge and with dirge they have a better alternative, and wretched cant use ranged weapons at all.

Could apply some risk reward mechanic, like the punt gun, where you can fire it normally, or overload it with a chance of it injuring the user if it fails, but even that seems like it might be too strong for what it is.

>>95896993
I reckon if you wanted to do some swarm tactics, getting a double handful of cheap dudes to make a firing line and daring the other guy to approach you may work.
I have yet to see a real 'drown them in dice and bodies' approach to the game, despite the fact you actually could do it.
Doing some quick math, you could fit 15-17 azebs with alchemical ammo in to a single campaign list, while still having points left to kit out a captain. Even better if it is a Great Wall detachment with some high ground.

>>95897033
Theres a 10 model limit for a starting warband, and people are only making their team based around the starting limit, so they try to kit everything out ideally I guess.

That said, there are scenarios where you cant take elites at all, those would be the games where swarm tactics with cheap weapons start getting used. Where even if units die you arent losing that much and know that you will probably take losses since your big hitters arent in the game, so you want more shots being fired in general than the enemy, rather than a few more well equipped shitties.

>>95897076
>Theres a 10 model limit for a starting warband
Shit, always forget that.
>try to kit everything out ideally
I am consistently trying hard to not put all my eggs in the elite basket, and it's goddamn hard.
They have so many toys and potential, but a dude with a trench knife can put them down, and it's not even like it's incredibly unlikely.
And the more you try to make that unlikely, the less you can actually take the fight to the enemy.
It's a real struggle!

>>95894197 (OP)

What do you guys think of the unofficial (but so clearly inspired and thematically consistent) Kickstarter featuring the Spanish Conquistadores/Inquisition faction? I quite like the theme and decided to back the project. They are not perfect minis (some models could have used a bit more detail) but the vibe it's surely there for me, also it will be my first TC project, so exciting!

New trench frens.
Did 3 at the same time today.

>>95897742
Neat, kindof wish I got these now.

Chorister-Banshee and the first piece of trench terrain finished

>>95897512
They look very good but I'm still halfway through my court warband and have a red brigade and byzantine NA warbands in the backlog. Will probably end up buying some of those guys from their store (I assume it is going to end up in their store lol)

>>95898947
you got some guide or tips and a shopping list for the terrain? I'm planning to do it next month or so

>>95898947
I daresay that looks peak

>>95898947
Spooky. But the visible grain on the wood is what really peaks my attention.

>>95896993
>set in WW1
A lot of the WW1 aesthetic's been corroded away with the ability to arm every unit with semi auto rifles and knights running around

>>95898947
FAT
GHOST
BOOBERS

>>95900035
Knights were supposed to be part of it, they even kept trying to do cavalry charges and armored raiders in real life. Shame about the AKs everywhere.

>>95902708
Knights with muskets could still look cool, I can't think of many popular properties that have them around. Especially powered armor knights with muskets.

>>95899002
I'll take some pics of the materials i used and do a full write-up later today for you. I have three more to finish so i might as well document it for the next batch.

>>95902669
The true horror she brings is the fact you can't touch them.

>>95904377
My cadre of Infernal Scientists are working on the equipment to allow me.

>>95899002
>>95904215
Here you go. Made a quick write-up on how i made my trench terrain blocks

>>95900035
To wit, anon, I have heard tales that during WW1, there were people actually charging trenches in legit plate, wielding swords and axes to butcher dudes in fisticuffs.

>>95904566
Nice, thanks anon!

>>95904827
Trench plate is a bit different from full knight plate but it wouldn't be a far reach for actual knight plate to be used in a alternate universe.

>>95898947
I want to motorboat the ghost-titties.

This game will die on the vine if they can't get plastic kits out.

Maybe that's just cope because I know I won't touch it unless they do? But also it's big true

>>95904847
I mean actual, 18th century Germanic style full plate.
Granted, these were apocryphal, I heard them while stationed in Germany from locals. A few beers in, and dudes whose families have a history of military service start recounting stories they heard from their grandfathers and great grandfathers.

>>95904866
>that's just cope
Yes, it is.
Just get your kitbash on like the rest of us.
A lot of models fit for the game are cheap as chips to buy, and come in bulk, so you lose nothing from chopping them up.

>>95904869
Its not full on ornate armour, but there was guys who had full armour and even chainmail. The WW1 Italian "Arditi" prioritized melee combat, and they wore armour and used full on melee weapons like 2 handed axes and spears, and are notable for charging while carrying a knife in their teeth.

>>95904866
I am dissapointed that people are now cucked into thinking that kitbashing is not viable to have a game. I actually lament if they start doing plastic kits becuase thats all youll start seeing, and a huge part of the appeal of games like this is people actually making their own stuff instead of just buying it and fielding armies of grey.

>>95904925
Kitbashing off of a proper foundation will always look better than motley kitbashing.

I haven't seen much great TC kitbashing to date. It's mostly scuffed shit done overtop of hatchet-sculpted historical plastics.

>>95904827
>>95904919
As for trench raiding a lot of french and brittish trench raiders used clubs, knives, even spears and swords made from scrap and recycled artillery shell casings and shrapnel

>>95904866
You do know you can just order the kits from only-games.co?
Or if you have access to a 3d-printer just buy the files from Factory Fortress and print them yourself.

>>95904968
The foundation is historical though, thats why its so prevailant, the official designs are using historical armours/uniforms with gubbins on them like crosses and bits of armour. The quality of work is down to the person making them, not everyone is a sculptor of course, so some look scuffed, but this is still nice to see, everyones army is custom made, and not just bought. Tabletop use to be as much about the craft as it was about the game they were for, its sad that fewer people want to make shit anymore because they dont like that they didnt get close to the quality of the master sculptors that make official prints. Its ok that it doesnt look like that, YOU made this thing and this is the only one that looks like it.

Ill post a few Ive seen that I liked.

>>95905058
I am eager to look at the pics you've compiled. But it's way easier to convert heretics and culties than the other stuff. And the faction I'm most interested in (IS) is both the hardest to bash and the one with the least analogues in plastic historical ranges (and I will only kitbash with plastics, every other medium is inferior). I am jealous of people who can sculpt but that's a totally different skillset and ballgame from kitbashing.

>>95905078
Ill post more when the thread needs bumped, dont want to flood.

I love seeing peoples work on stuff they made themselves, it was one of the biggest draws I had for this game coming off 40k where people seem to want to buy stuff rather than make it.

>>95905101
Ironically, there's never been a better time for a skilled kitbasher to kitbash in both Warhammers than now, because of the huge variety of plastics.

It can be a little more involved than it was in the past because models are no longer arm×torso×arm gingerbread men, but the actual components and details are way better.

Pants Poosade

>>95905087
Well let me help you out with some suggestions to check:
>frostgrave wizards sprue for command and alchemist, take what you need from the bodies, theyre all wearing robs and have useful hand gestures for posing. Could also look at age of sigmar humans for ornate armours that arent typically western looking
>fireforge black guard/foot berber infantry, for guys with robes and light armour
>perry minature afghan tribesmen (these parts might be a bit small but you can use the bits like heads and weapons, these sprues are cheaper than dirt)
>gripping beast arabs (cheap again, just a suggestion for if you want robes that are more plain where the intention is to add more things to them without bits of the base model getting in the way)
>grab a ww2 british sprue from bolt action, they will
then for stuff like lions and bull just use orcs or ogres from whatever range you prefer the look and replace the head, or look at age of sigmar stuff that you can use as a base. For everything youll obviously have to do some work but its a project, youre making a permanent thing, its not about how fast you can do its simply that you do it.

>>95904215
>>95904566
gigabased

>>95904566
Very helpful, thanks anon, how long would you say took you to make the piece of terrain seen here? >>95898947

>>95905284
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ELuywjE9ck

>>95906004
From start to finish and counting drying times i'd say about 8-10-ish hours. I kinda lose track of time when i'm in the zone and i worked on it for 2-ish days/nights to chill out after work.

>>95905622
Speira miniatures have pretty good WW1 and WW2 minis for 32mm heroic.
I've ordered a bunch of their fantasy demons to turn into a C7HS warband with some kitbashing/tactical rock bases to match the height of the official C7HS elites

>>95905078
nun out with your bum out

>>95908912
>TITS OUT FOR JESUS OF NAZARETH!
What?
>JESUS DIED AND WAS RESSURECTED TO ABSOLVE OUR SINS! SHOW YOUR TITS FOR HIS SAKE!
Did you get into the fortified wine, Sister?
>AAAARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!

>>95908912
>Yeshua bin Yusuf, our Lord and Savior, did not die upon the cross for you to be immodest, sister.
>Nun's gotta have some fun, father!

>>95908912
>>95905078
Now i'm getting an itch to kitbash Battle Sister Penitents with Empire Free Company bitz and make Stigmatic Nuns

>>95909235
>>95909447
One word; Adamites.

>>95909557
Adamantic order of Trench Pilgrims would be a interesting playstyle.
>All forms of armor except Trench Shield are forbidden
>May not take Shrine Achorites as the entombment goes against their principles.
>Switches the unit cap of Stigmatic Nuns and Trench Pilgrims
>Stigmatic Nuns are 10 Ducats cheaper (40 instead of 50)
>War Prophet gains Blessed Stigmata
>Entire army gains Resurrection trait (same as Trench Pilgrims)

>>95909715
If you're serious about this you're going to need to add an Adamite Communicant.

>>95909715
Realized after posting that Blessed Stigmata doesn't make sense for the War Prohet.
What would make more sense would be a version of Lust Court's "Call of Flesh" power as Adamites are supposed to practice a form of sensual mysticism.

Sensual Mysticism
As a GOETIC (1) Spell, beckoning magic fills the air. Choose one enemy model this model can see. When the enemy next Activates that model, that model must Move as its first ACTION. This Move must be a Retreat if the model started its Activation in Melee Combat with a model other than the caster of this Spell. If that model is Down, it instead Stands and then Moves. During this movement, it moves in a direct path toward the caster of this Spell through any passable terrain, though not through Dangerous Terrain or Jumping Down.
It can act normally after taking the prescribed ACTION(S), or attempting to take the prescribed ACTION(S) if it couldn’t, but cannot target the caster of this Spell during that Activation with ranged or melee attacks.

Cheaper but crappier version of Call of Flesh that doesn't end activation but can't make models jump down or pass through dangerous terrain. Still fucks with action economy and placements.

>>95909732
NTA, but I would think the potentially unlimited stigmatic nuns with capirotes would make up for that

>>95909732
Yeah thinking of adding something like this:
>Communicants of the Adamatic Order refuses to wear armor, this includes the Communicant Cross. Adamatic Communicants instead starts with a Holy Relic, though their cost remains unchanged.

>>95909751
capriotes would fall under the no-armor rule though if we are to go by the spirit of the adamatic order, as they had their "holy nudism" doctrine

After some more crossreferencing i've come up with this

Adamantic Order
This obscure sect, dating probably from the 2nd century, professed to have regained Adam and Eve's primeval innocence. Various accounts are given of their origin. Some think them to be an offshoot of the Carpocratians, who professed a sensual mysticism and a complete emancipation from the moral law. Others, on the contrary, consider them to be misguided ascetics, who strive to extirpate carnal desires by a return to simpler manners, and by the abolition of marriage.

They call their church "Paradise", claiming that its members are re-established in Adam and Eve's state of original innocence. Accordingly, they practice "holy nudism", reject the concept of marriage as foreign to Eden, saying it would never have existed but for sin, and live in absolute lawlessness, holding that, whatever they do, their actions can be neither good nor bad.
Still, some members of the order are drawn by the call to holy battle against the followers of the Deciever in Eden.

Adamantic Order Special Rules:
>Iron capriotes, gasmasks and all forms of armor except Trench Shield are forbidden as they go against the holy nudism doctrine of the Adamanatic Order
>May not take Shrine Achorites as the entombment goes against the Adamanatic Order principles.
>Communicants of the Adamatic Order refuses to wear armor, this includes the Communicant Cross. Adamatic Communicants instead starts with a Holy Relic, though their cost remains unchanged.
>Stigmatic Nuns of the Adamatic Order costs 40 Ducats and have a unlimited unit cap
>Trench Pilgrims have a 0-4 unit cap
>Entire army gains the Trench Pilgrim unit's Resurrection trait

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>>95909910
>War Prophet gains Sensual Mysticism
- Sensual Mysticism
As a GOETIC (1) Spell, beckoning magic fills the air. Choose one enemy model this model can see. When the enemy next Activates that model, that model must Move as its first ACTION. This Move must be a Retreat if the model started its Activation in Melee Combat with a model other than the caster of this Spell. If that model is Down, it instead Stands and then Moves. During this movement, it moves in a direct path toward the caster of this Spell through any passable terrain, though not through Dangerous Terrain or Jumping Down.
It can act normally after taking the prescribed ACTION(S), or attempting to take the prescribed ACTION(S) if it couldn’t, but cannot target the caster of this Spell during that Activation with ranged or melee attacks.

>May add 0-1 Adamantic Medic at a cost of 55 Ducats
- Adamantic Order Medic
6”/Infantry +0 Dice +0 Dice Armor 0 25mm
- Equipment
>The medic carries a Misericordia, a Medi-kit and a Trench Shield.
>You cannot modify the equipment, armour and weapons of the Adamantic Order Medic in any way.
Abilities
>Finish the Fallen: Due their knowledge of anatomy and physiology, medics are experts at inflicting debilitating injuries and excruciating pain. Unless the target has the Keyword DEMONIC or BLACK GRAIL, add +1 BONUS DICE to any
injury rolls the medic makes in melee against opponents who are Down.
>Expert Medic: Medic adds +1 BONUS DICE whenever they use their Medi-Kit to aid friendly models.
>Convent Conditioning: The medic is immune to FEAR.

>>95909910
Love it. Should be noted, Stigmatic nuns are one of if not THE best effectiveness for cost units in the game, they are stupidly strong in practice. I think the cap removal and ressurection would be busted.
>replace war prophet profile with that of a stigmatic nun but with 2 melee and 2 shooting, they also have the ability "throes of ecstasy", where they target a unit in melee, both the unit and the prophet are knocked down immediately on an action roll. Both units are unable to get up unless they pass a risky action roll.
Its the implication.

Final version

Warband Variant: Adamitic Order
This obscure sect of christianity, probably dating all the way from the 2nd century, professes to have regained Adam and Eve's primeval innocence. Various accounts are given of their origin with some thinking them to be an offshoot of the Carpocratians, who professed a sensual mysticism and a complete emancipation from the moral law. Others, on the contrary, consider them to be misguided ascetics who strive to extirpate carnal desires by a return to simpler manners and by the abolition of marriage.

They call their church "Paradise", claiming that its members are re-established in Adam and Eve's state of original innocence. Accordingly, they practice "holy nudism" and rejecting the concept of marriage as foreign to Eden, saying it would never have existed but for sin, and live in absolute lawlessness, holding that, whatever they do, their actions can be neither good nor bad.
Still, some members of the order are drawn away from their paradise by the call to holy battle against the forces of the Deciever in Eden.

The Adamitic Order has the following special rules
>Holy Nudism: Iron capriotes, gasmasks and all forms of armor except Trench Shields are forbidden as they go against the holy nudism doctrine of
the Adamitic Order.
>Ascetic Monks: The Adamitic Order may not take Shrine Achorites as the entombment process goes against the Adamitic Order principles.
>Re-established Original Innocence: Communicants of the Adamitic Order refuses to wear armor, this includes the Communicant Cross. Adamitic
>Communicants instead starts with a Holy Relic, though their cost remains unchanged.
>Carnal Faith: Stigmatic Nuns of the Adamitic Order costs 40 Ducats and have an unlimited unit cap.
>Obscure Sect: Trench Pilgrims have a 0-4 unit cap.
>Free of Sin: All Adamitic Order models gains the Resurrection trait.

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>>95911895
>Practitioner of Sensual Mysticism: The War Prophet gains the Sensual Mysticism ability.
Sensual Mysticism
As a RISKY ACTION, divine beckoning fills the air. Choose one enemy model this model can see. When the enemy next Activates that model, that
model must Move as its first ACTION. This Move must be a Retreat if the model started its Activation in Melee Combat with a model other than the
caster of this Spell. If that model is Down, it instead Stands and then Moves. During this movement, it moves in a direct path toward the caster of this
Spell through any passable terrain, though not through Dangerous Terrain or Jumping Down.
It can act normally after taking the prescribed ACTION(S), or attempting to take the prescribed ACTION(S) if it couldn’t, but cannot target the caster
of this Spell during that Activation with ranged or melee attacks.
>Healers of Eden: Adamitic Order may include one Adamitic Medic at a cost of 45 Ducats.
Adamitic Medic
Move 6”/Infantry, Melee +0 Dice, Ranged +0 Dice, Armor -1, 25mm base
Equipment
The medic carries a Misericordia, a Medi-kit and a Trench Shield.
You cannot modify the equipment, armour and weapons of the Adamitic Order Medic in any way.
Abilities
Finish the Fallen: Due their knowledge of anatomy and physiology, Adamitic medics are experts at inflicting debilitating injuries and excruciating
pain. Unless the target has the Keyword DEMONIC or BLACK GRAIL, add +1 BONUS DICE to any injury rolls the medic makes in melee against
opponents who are Down.
Expert Medic: Adamitic Medics adds +1 BONUS DICE whenever they use their Medi-Kit to aid friendly models.
Convent Conditioning: The Adamitic Medic is immune to FEAR.

>>95905087
>And the faction I'm most interested in (IS) is both the hardest to bash and the one with the least analogues in plastic historical ranges
You gotta get crazy, and understand what your list is, and what you want to build.
The actual hardest thing to kitbash in IS is assassins and jannisaries, such the point where I'm not even going to run them until I get official models.
Azebs, sappers, yuzbazi can all be kitbashed out of a base of historical arabia with some pieces of WW1/2 ranges for taste and flavor.
I managed to horribly mutilate a AoS slaaneshi sorcerer for my alchemist, and once he's painted, will offer excellent contrast of once sumptuous robes now torn, splattered in mud and blood, presenting a Big Ass Bomb in one hand, and a halberd-gun in the other.
The hardest part for me is deciding on a color scheme for each unit class.
>>95905622
>fireforge black guard/foot berber infantry, for guys with robes and light armour
I desperately want this to fill out my backup Azebs, but the fucking black guard sprue is out of stock, and I am mad as fuck.
>>frostgrave wizards sprue for command and alchemist
Holy shit, this is nice! Wonder if I could knock out an Assassin with this...

With some work done, would this be an acceptable stand in for a Brazen Bull with MURAD bombard?
>apologies for the small pic, it is a Hordes Skorne Cannoneer War Beast

>>95912441
Absolutely. Don't even technically need to do anything to it since Takwin creatures come in many shapes and forms.

>>95913900
Sweet, time to spend some money!
>going to turn the mace in to a great sword
>probably shave down the back lumps
>clip the tusks short and put gold bulbs on the ends
>put a heretic under a foot, because we trample
the infidel over here

>>95912373
Glad I bought 2 boxes before they became harder to get. I still see sprues around of them on ebay so keep an eye out.

Also theres a female wizards sprue if you need those, I intended to use the for nuns since I cant find coomer models for making them.

Right, got a wee bit of painting done but not enough to show off, however i got the 2nd wave of minis for my warband, apart from 2 models on the way (a hellknight alternate pose and a goetic warlock) i got all i need for my campaign. In the middle is the preator(i had another one but this looks better and fits my warband more) on the left is a scripture guardian, might prop him up on rubble to make him slightly bigger and on the right is a hunter of the left handed path yeah i know doesn't have a bow but a)i couldnt find any model that fit in both model wise and overall warband wise and b) i can just say she makes a bow using blood as shes a being made of blood. and behind is the rest of my yoke fiends

will take a while to paint but im looking forward more to painting these than my pile of warhammer shame.

>>95912441
Hell yeah, that's fine.

what does a good new antioch list look like? the prussian sub faction looks like it turns up everything I like about new antioch. is it viable?

I was thinking something like:
lieutenant
mechanized soldier with machine gun
x2 shock troops with infiltrate
x2 engineers with satchels
x3 shock troops holding tank splitters and grendades

maybe a trench priest or a medic if its a pick up game, acquire them later if its campaign?

how good is an automatic rifle with bayonet and shield?

>>95918372
You can't use an automatic rifle with a shield. Shield takes up one hand always, both melee and ranged, so you can only use it with 1-handed ranged weapons or something with shield combo (which the auto rifle doesn't have). That said, auto rifle is amazingly good. I'd put mine on an LT or a sniper priest since you only get one. The list looks solid for Prussia, just make sure everyone has armor (and helmets, if you have ducats left over). Grenades go brrrr.

>>95918372
Solid list with lots of shooty and EXPLOSIONS.
The only thing I would look at is getting a way to have Flame on the field to fuck up Grail players.
>how good is an automatic rifle with bayonet and shield?
If you can't get smgs, entirely worthwhile, albeit expensive on a troop chassis. My IS list would struggle against this, unless my bull can do some crazy heavy lifting with the bombard.

>>95918434
To add onto this re: automatic rifle. Since it's really a leader weapon due to being quite powerful but not heavy, you typically want a bayonet on it for the sniper priest, and paired with two swords or a sword/club on the lieutenant. An automatic rifle / machine gun fireteam is also insanely good at actually killing models from a distance since you get the cheap bloodbath on every model they both hit.

>>95918434
>You can't use an automatic rifle with a shield
Shit, didn't know that.
That makes my post >>95918500 a bit less relevant, but it means my shotgun/shield/bayonet skirmishers may stand a chance lol.

but the automatic rifle has the bayonet lug feature, and the bayonet has shield combo?

>>95918563
Automatic rifles don't have shield combo, so they can't have them. Same goes for bolt actions rifles as well.

Are French pilgrims the Reddit faction? Strange they have a black female leader when the only other female model seems to be a nun with her tits out

>>95919284
Sounds like Satanist division of the faithful. Turn around and bend over, we'll see whether you have let the damned use you like a worn out horse.

>>95919284
Black women are known for their big butts, they're anti-woke.

>>95920164
>Black women are known for their big butts
true

how big is the base fo death commando he isn't in the compendium thingy and I can't find it on the site

>>95920744
32mm [PlaytestRules V1.6.2, p22]

>>95920760
damn fresh out of those

>>95920828
Got some cardboard?

>>95921105
nyo it's fine I ordered a ton from aliexpress. They will arrive next week or so

Tell me about the lore for Your Dudes. Does the lore of Your Dudes effect what models you add to your warband or do you add to your lore after matches?

Too bad I don't live in a metropolitan city where there are more places and people to play games other than WH.

>>95919284
the reddit fraction is the ir*sh.Why the fuck is there even an ir*sh faction. Seems like plastic paddy pandering.

>>95925019
>Scotland
>Abyssinia
>"what the fuck why is Ireland even a faction"
They should add Wales too, and Italy.

>>95925733
Italy makes sense

>>95925779
And why not Ireland? Especially in the religious significance. I want to see the addition factions look wildly different from the default and Eire is a good example of that in effect.

If you want to play "vikings" with guns Eire is there, I would suspect Italy or Byzantines to be Romans, which would be great for kitbashing.

>>95919284
>Strange they have a black female leader
That's just one piece of art/one model for a generic unit that can be anybody, and it's an Ethiopian.

>>95925733
>Abyssinia
>the first nation to adopt Christianity
>said to be the resting place of the Ark of the Covenant
God save me from these idiots.

>>95925947
Right, and Ireland was the heart of creating the manuscripts of the church and is significant to Christianity in Its the first pagan country to ASK for deliverance rather than be converted by force. My point was that Ireland deserves to be in there as much as Abyssinia.

Also, it just adds variety, barbarians fighting demons is cool.

>>95925803
Ireland shouldn't even exist as a concept in this setting.
Its like when reddit soibois first heard rumour there was a gael faction, they started uploading pics of their warbands covered in the modern irish flag, which makes no sense if you know what the colours on it mean.

>>95926071
Why? Also I dont see a tricolor anywhere, yes, that would make no sense.

Shouldnt base your impression of anything on what random retards do online anon, If they added Italy they would use the modern Italian flag too.

when are we getting the Hebrew faction. You know the guys that wrote all this hooha

Still hoping and waiting for the cult of browning. It'll probably end up being a Trench Pilgrim band.

>>95926118
Ignore the shitposter, anon.

>>95926131
Jon, go to bed.

>>95926118
I'll put it this way i was surprised they even have the English on the map
According to Tuomus no modern nations exist. SHTF in this setting around 1000s. The idea of ireland as a whole thing is relatively modern.
They would just be a bunch of tribes, also why are demons even attacking it? its a backwater. Did the irish even participate in the crusades?
Its just all so weird.
>>95926135
>anything i dont like is shitposting

>>95926143
I want my gun Pilgrims

accordingly in this setting irish have no right to complain about the English
In fact in this setting Brits may still be talking about irish pirates attacking them

>>95926156
Anon, Methodius already exists. Is 2 machine guns, 1 AR, and 1 SMG not enough for you?

>>95911895
>>95911900
How is this not supposed to be every bit as heretical as worshipping the devil? You can't just claim to be sinless and whore out, there are several things wrong with that.

>>95926182
But they're still more the Anchorite faction. They could use more gun

>>95926042
>rather than be converted by force

No one outside of the Baltics was converted by force and that was 1,000 years after the rest of Europe was already Christianized. The Irish were converted the same way as their contemporaries, peaceefully.

>>95926155
The setting makes more sense when you dont think of it as chronological history, or think that the history stopped at X point in this setting and its just picking and choosing what "happened" in real life and what didnt by ommission. Rule of cool seems to be the reason a country exists in this, or that they had some significance to WW1, religion or the crusades.

>>95926163
Its mentioned that the factions within NA do fight eachother.

i kind of feel they went overboard with the Faithful having 100 subfactions

>>95926214
I suppose its just easier.
>pick country
>that is now a faction
Still waiting for an engineer focused one.

>>95926228
they should have looked at actual crusade era groups for inspiration

Compendium guy here, we've decided to be indulgent and add little unlocks to peoples accounts. Feel free to dump suggestions.

Grail starter warband all done

>>95897512
They’re cool but missing the stigmatic nun and prisoners

>>95926183
They aren't whoring out. They are practising nudism and tantric-ish sex.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adamites

>You can't just claim to be sinless and whore out, there are several things wrong with that.
Only in modern day america.

>>95926724
Gross. I like that some are wearing skin clothing, thats a neat concept.

>>95926724
Very nice stuff.

>>95927932
Nothing screams Satan like a foreskin hoodie.

Quick rules question, the goetic warlock counts as having 2 swords. Does that mean that they get 2 attacks with the 2nd being at -1?
Also is it worth taking over a scripture guardian or sin eater or even special gear? I love the idea of it both fluff and model wise but I rarely see it or anyone talk about it.

>>95928608
>Does that mean that they get 2 attacks with the 2nd being at -1?
Yes
>Also is it worth taking over a scripture guardian or sin eater or even special gear?
Probably not. It's great to tie up units that have terrible melee and want to be shooting constantly (lots of Sultanate and NA, some HL) but I would never spend Glory on it. Knights of Avarice can buy it for 110, and the one game I've got to run with it there felt pretty good at that cost. Despite the campaign and core rules having different ruling on whether a KoA warlock can be promoted, the Discord consensus seems to be that the campaign rules take precedence which would also open it up to some Melee and Stealth skills. I still think in most instances I'd rather promote an Annointed, but I could see some skills really juicing it up.

>>95928608
I painted one up to try out with my mamon boys. Only used once so far.
I armed him with a spear. 900 points 8 glory standalone game.

-he’s slow but immortal, between the mammon chorister of doom and him no ones getting through. I think he killed 2 guys and scared off, but failed to kill the enemy anti tank hunter.
It might have potential, but in one off games that means no AMR annointed, so it’s a hard sell.

>>95927196
>Only in modern day america.
Not him but no, you uneducated retard. Read the New Testament.

>>95929009
FUck you. I'll make my own christianity, with its own pope, much better than the current pope, and its own bible. Which I learned from when an Angel visited me.

>>95929045
Preach brother! I will follow your procession to the carcass front! Angel has spoken, and sinners must suffer.

So is TC actually anything of substance or is it just edgelord shit and reddit atheism?

>>95929045
I joke. But you only need one idiot to continue to crusade against the Black Grail through sheer faith and overwhelming fire before he gather enough people around him to become a warband.

>>95929200
Depends on whether you are willing to read and come to a conclusion yourselves.

>>95929200
I dont know what you mean, there is a functional game with a cool aesthetic, its been nice to see people making their own stuff.

Looking for kitbash potential for Court, and it's actually harder than I expected.
Appropriate models tend to be more expensive piece for piece compared to other armies I have slapped on.

>>95928738
I painted one too yesterday and then spilled glue over it...it kinda looks like candle wax dried and I painted it a bit with a similar color so it's not all lost. He was quick and fun to paint though so it's not a problem

>>95929045
Dibs on carrying a punt gun

So I found a model of Knightmare from Soul Calibur, would it be too on the nose to use this for a plague knight executor for Dirge? Is there any images of what the Dirge is suppose to look like so I can try and alter the model to fit it?

>>95929200
It's got the potential to be the best tabletop skirmish game ever made, given that all the top ex-GW talents that made 40k during the peak golden ages of 3rd/4th edition are working on it now.

>>95929200
You don't see many atheists identifying themselves that way to talk about TC. There are far more 4chan christcucks that get out of line than reddit atheists. The type of guys who have so little of substance to them, and are so rejected by every element of society, that their whiteness and christianess (both faked) compose their entire identity.

>>95933881
ah yes the imaginary nazi christians

>>95933881
In my experience as an agnostic non-christian and not a nazi, i've had more issue with radical atheists and people like that calling me a christian of nazi

>>95894197 (OP)
TA: That they successfully cloned Jesus of Nazareth so they could perform THE most orthodox ritual of the Eucharist. The concept of something so utterly blasphemous that has been accepted in the cause of defeating the greater blasphemy.

My own question: At what point would you consider a model/art to diverge from the setting too much? i.e Would you still call this an Artillery Witch?

>>95935849
That looks like a perfectly fine Artillery Witch to me

>>95935849
>female witch?
Check
>bombs?
Check
>cant see her face?
Check

Yep, that is indeed an artillery witch. As long as most of the face is covered it should be fine.

>>95914340
How do you apply green stuff so cleanly? Mine always looks like shit

>>95932480
The only thing I would do is cut off the frills on the helmet. Other than that, I would rightly appreciate such a model for Dirge.

>>95929200
>edgelord shit and Reddit atheism
look into how totally awesome and squeaky clean the Muslim faction is and you'll get your answer
They're perfectly happy to turn off the grimdark if it means they can p0wm the chuds

>>95937687
This argument rings empty because Islam has no history of mortification in either it's rituals or holy book, which is what is represented in the art.
If you actually knew anything about Islam, you would know that the existence of the taquin is absurdly sacrilegious, as only God has the right to create life, as per His Divine Impetus.
Read a book, anon, you are ignorant.

>>95937687
The Iron Sultanate aestethics are heavily inspired by the persian golden era and age of exploration european ideas of middle-eastern mystiscism.

>>95937425
A silicone brush for molding the greenstuff while its on the model, these brushes are non porous so the greenstuff doesnt stick to them and its easier to mold using them, theyre also really cheap. Then when its dried use "sprue glue" to smoothen out the parts you want smoothed.

Heres how to make sprue glue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7abqdC0qac4
This stuff is a godsend for sculpting. Tamiya thin cement actually melts hard plastic(not resin, which is the stuff that prints would be made from), so its also useful for getting rid of the aftermath of scratching off mold lines and smoothing out surfaces of the sprue glue once applied.

>>95937843
So they're grimdark because they can create homunculi to fight for them, gotcha
This is totally on the same level as the shit the Christians do

>>95938069
I am amazed at how much the mention of Islam make you seethe uncontrollably. Perhaps you should return to Discord to cry to your preferred YouTuber of choice?

>>95938114
I accept your concession, thank you for admitting you have no arguement

>>95938069
Please consider why the concept of muslims makes you so scared you have to lash out on an imageboard where no-one can tell who you are. Perhaps you secretly know that this is wrong?

Please, for the love of everyone's sanity, take the religious debate to another board.
Logic and/or theological points does not work when the other side does not share your worldview. Atheists, theist, agnostics, mystics or whatever denomination you believe in is for keeping to yourself, not to flaunt it.
>your personal beliefs is like your dick. However much you love it no one wants to have it shoved in their face without asking for it.

>>95938069
>didn't read the post
This is the part where you back up your post with historical evidence, anon.
What exactly could the devs have drawn on to the scale of Christianity, that is tied to Islam rather than the cultures of the time?
I'll take your shitpost seriously for 10 minutes.

>>95938151
I have no issue with the concept of Muslims whatsoever
I do have an issue when you make them the single morally squeaky clean faction in an otherwise grimdark setting

>be nordic
>be from one of the most secularized countries in the world
>see Trench Crusade
>huh, cool dieselpunk themes and a dark humoristic jab at religion as a concept
>look inside thread
>triggered american christians
>mfw

NTA but if the Hebrew knights don't practice some form of blood libel I'm out

>>95938189
>dark humoristic jab at religion
I wouldn't even call it that, because much of the game has its roots in actual practices, just dialed up with tech and desperation.

>>95938169
I'm happy to admit I'm not an islamic theologocian
I don't see why it's my job instead of the people that write lore for the game to make the islamic faction even the slightest bit amoral in order to fit the setting

>>95938189
I'll be honest. I don't care about TC. It's just fun mudwrestling the chronic incels who live just to seethe at anything that even implies not being radically right-wing. I'm having fun with the same guy over in Morningstar too.

>>95938251
Maybe because the time period that the Iron Sultanate is based on islam was in it's golden era of discovery and civilization and not the barbaric killmurderfrenzy burn-all-infidels era it is in now?

>>95938251
You are the one complaining about it, so I assumed you actually had something to base your complaints on.
>>95938253
You are actively making the thread worse.

>>95938275
>golden era of discovery and civilization
how does this fit into TC? Do you imagine opening the gates to hell may change this in some way?

>>95938290
If you would care to read my posts you would easily find my complaints

>>95938318
Your complaints is that the devs didn't invent something not particularly there, in a weird history setting.
Look, man, you bring up something 'grimdark' the devs could have used that isn't ahistorical or patently offensive for it's own sake, and I will hear it.
You have one more post before I ignore you.

>>95938318
>Do you imagine opening the gates to hell may change this in some way?
Yes, they have gone fully isolationist, constructed a fuckoff-sized wall and pivoted their science into creating alchemical horrors (Lion of Jabir, Brazen Bull, Homoculi) and utilize assassins on hallucinogen drugs to kill important heretics.
Is that not enough?

>>95938397
>You have one more post before I ignore you.
>>95938125

new to trench and doing court. Are they going to at some point get sub factions or are the seven sins pretty much what theyll get?

>>95938458
From what we know for now the seven sins are their version of variant warbands.

>>95938458
The different Sins are going to get different subfactions.

>>95938467
>>95938484
do you think that the greed one is going to be very similar to the knights of mamon one the heretics have?

>>95938492
Likely IS the Greed subfaction in all but name.

>>95938511
>>95938492
>>95938484
>>95938467

definetly gonna be that one subfaction that will have access to artillery witches and i am 100% not gonna be happy with it, already hate having to deal with one of the bitches but having to deal 2 sources of explosions thrown around is not bringing a smile to my face

>>95938537
Gonna have to deal, anon.
Arty witches are. imo, more dangerous sniper priests, and just as difficult to shift.
That said, I don't begrudge them, because strong ranged options are slim in the Hell factions. I take combat helms specifically for them.

>>95938537
>Damned Artillery Bitches. Need physical correction. With bondage

>>95938563
They would like it too much

>>95938492
Anon, Greed Court has had its rule out for a while now. You get access to Golem as a keyword for one of your elites which is stupid good on a Sorcerer or Hunter (still good on a Praetor but you lose its inherent Tough so it's a bit of a waste), Black Heart to give +1 action dice in exchange for one blood which is very nice, and Universal Greed gives +1 blessing markers for each 150+ ducat model which seems nice enough for 15 but probably only is worth it later in a campaign.
>>95938537
Artillery Witches wouldn't even make sense for a crossover model anyway since they're artificial constructs and Court is very specifically not a technologically advanced faction.

>>95938563
>>95938575
now hear me out,
Sub bondage artillery witch and adominatrix stigmatic nun having a wholesome time watching a theatre play or playing chess

>>95938610
I'd read that as a crackfic. Probably in the future after TC has its own Black Library division set up and we have more background for Arty Bitches as Stig Nuns.

>>95938610
Not enough strap-ons or iron pears.

>>95938169
NTA, but wasn't one of Genghis Khan's sons/grandsons a pretty vicious conqueror that'd stack heads of his opponents, even if they weren't combatants?

>>95938969
That was post-humous Chinese propaganda. Stop falling for commie revisionism.

>>95940166
But wasn't that history written by the khan's family

>>95938969
If you're referring to Timur, he was not descended from genghis. They shared a common ancestor, but were like, fourth cousins five times removed. Timur saw himself as his successor but they were only "related" at best. But he and his sons were all quite nasty.

>>95938158
this is like turning up at a metal concert and saying "can you stop playing metal"

>>95941564
Can you please stop playing freeform jazz? It's distracting.

>>95938610
I see the Stig Nun as more of the sub and the Arty Witch as the dominatrix type.
That gave an idea for a showcase model
>arty witch standing on a platform held up by two harnessed and branded stig nuns.

>>95938069
You're right and them being so mad just proves you even more. The very worst thing they could come up with for the muslims is literally just a cleaner version of some of the more middling heresy others do as well.

>>95938398
Yeah obviously we need way more than that. That's not even half enough.

>>95942172
Don't forget that the assassins spend all their free time murdering children by feeding them poison every single day, in the hope that a tiny number of them survive to piss out even stronger poison. All of Alamut is literally an industrialized piss farm made out of dead preteens.

Surely they're gonna solve that ARG any day now, right?

>>95942684
Didn't the TC team say that someone already found the real answer but typo-d it on entry?

>>95942779
They said someone had already used the word itself in the discord as far as I'm aware, but that no one has used it as the password.

>>95942815
Ah i see. My bad.

>>95894197 (OP)
>still haven't received my TC rulebook from kickstarter
Bros. Should I do a customer service contact now?

Compendium guy, figured I'd show how some features work in this new version.

This is an example of the "Add some extra equipment to your warband" rules - present in the HOW and KOA. Your warband will show these selections, which you can choose from a list that is auto-generated (so any future new equipment, or equipment that is added to the HOW default armoury, updates the list) and then whenever you select a piece of equipment in the future it will be added to the list.

This is all determines by JSON stuff more or less, so after the actual features are done and I have time to create proper documentation for it, anyone will be able to add "get extra equipment" rules to a custom faction/variant they create easily.

Anybody here played or joined tabletop simulator games from the official trench crusade discord server? What was the experience like?

And why are we so inactive? Should we just merge with /awg/ at this point?

>>95945296
I think it's just a content drought for the moment. We got some path of the beast lore recently but otherwise nothing new. I just started printing some models myself, but there's not much to discuss about it yet.

Why are we alowing these troons a place to post? You "people" are cancer and you will never be real women. Run back to your groomer discord, faggots

>>95944805
The rulebook isn't going to printing until September at earliest. They are still doing FAQ and balance changes to the current ruleset.

>>95894197 (OP)
Hey anons, just dipping my toes into TC. Do either of the following lists look remotely playable?


Heretic Legion
Naval raiding party
Death commando: armor, s. pistol, tartarus claws
Heretic priest: armor, pistol, club
Anointed: infiltrator, heavy flamer, maul
Arty Witch: knife (had a single spare point)
Trooper: MG
Trooper: GL
Trooper:GL


Heretic Legion
Chorister: 2 club, armor, infernal brand
Death commando: s. pistol, tartarus claws, armor
Heretic Priest: pistol, club, armor
Arty Witch
Trooper: MG
Trooper: GL
War Wolf


I've found it feels pretty difficult to fit objective grabbers into a list in TC, or am I making some fundamental list building mistakes?

>>95946461
They both look playable. Personally i'd switch out the MG for a bolt action rifle + 1 more trooper with bolt action rifle. Slightly less firepower but more versatility, and it won't be a huge fire magnet for incoming enemy fire.

>>95946610
Thanks anon, that would also solve my how to fit in objective grabbers too lol

>>95946461
Adding on to what the other anon said, the MG has heavy so only the anointed can move and fire with it, so you either need to have perfect placement with a trooper and give him a shovel, or you need to spent a turn getting into position. On a trooper, also, it's kind of a waste unless they're at least a legionnaire with +1 ranged.

IMO silenced pistols are kinda bunk on a commando. I prefer gas grenades, which are more likely to soften a target for easy tartarus claw shenanigans. Your priest is also pretty undergeared.

For the naval raiding party, the real strength of that variant is the huge number of SMGs you can bring. That might serve your objective grabbing since it's more up close and personal.

>>95942138
The Stigs are likely masochistic to cope with the pain they feel, so they'd be less likely to kill themselves if they did get enslaved as a Witch's throne.

>>95945068
Always glad to see people coding with an eye to to future expansions and ease of use.

>>95946724
How would you recommend gearing a priest anon?
Thanks for the advice I'll use it to improve my setups

>>95946803
It depends a bit on what you're trying to do. Unfortunately most of the great stuff you really want to use on them (automatic rifle, hellblade etc) are glory items, and they don't have strong, so gearing one initially is kinda rough. If you're doing the naval party, I'd give him a SMG, shield, and sacrificial knife. Which is kinda pricey but if you swap over your troopers to SMGs also you will have some points to spare. If you're doing the regular variant, probably a semi-auto rifle and either a sacrificial knife and a sword, or two swords. You also can do the MG+shovel approach, but like the troopers he doesn't have strong so the same caveats apply, but the +2 ranged and tough will make the MG itself a lot scarier. Note that you'll need to use puppet master before firing if you do this, since firing the MG ends your turn.

>>95946880
Thank you anon, it's greatly appreciated

>>95894197 (OP)
Any batreps from this weekend?
My buddies played new antioch (lots of mech inf) vs sultanate
The Sultanate were trying to defend their supply lines from new Antioch only
Turn 1: NA took out 2 of the supply caches and dealt two casualties, sultanate killed one of the shocktroops
Turn 2: NA took another casualty and destroyed two more caches, the brave sultanate troops took 3 more casualties from withering heavy weapons for. But were able to rally before breaking
Turn 3: after a valiant holdout the sultans leader killed another two shocktroops but ultimately was downed before more concentrated heavy weapons fire finished him off. New Antioch used there now dominant postion to destroy another cache of supplies.
Turn 4 nothing really interesting happened except NA for the last supply cache and IS player conceded

Also heavy weapons in strong units are nuts

>>95948760
I've got my game 3 of campaign coming up on Sunday, against sultanate. First two games were against heretics and both times I rolled badly while they got god rolls. Though in game 1 on hill 233 my hellknight did kick the priest off the building.

>>95948760
Any idea of what the lists were?
I am looking to see on field effectiveness of IS against other armies, also paintjobs.

>>95948760
Played my Methodius Trench Pilgrims vs New Antioch on Supply Raid last weekend. Don't have the full play by play in my head, but highlights were having a Pilgrim with a punt gun obliterate a Trench Cleric and give him nerve damage and my Stigmatic Nun beefing a diving charge followed by the targeted shocktrooper just obliterating her. Having the option to pop the objectives with heavy ranged weapons vs NA was brutal, and the only reason I didn't lose all 6 objectives because two of them were behind line of site blocking terrain in my deployment zone.

Elite Autocannon Anchorite continues to be an MVP, and after buying him a Combat Medic with some Glory people just don't want to fuck with him any more. Got him an Ammo Monk with my new Glory, and while I this is probably putting too many eggs in one basket, it's such a nice basket that I don't really mind.

>>95920164
tru

Still no Jewish faction?

>>95951202
Cult of Mammon.

>>95951857
More like Cult of Your Mom-mon amirite?

kek nice, you guys have a troon janny keeping your echo chamber safe. you redit losers. this game is dead and tronns on grooming discords killed it. hahahahahahahahahahahahaaha. now 3 day ban me again with no warning for a "troll" post, faggot

>>95926131
>The cult of browning
They shit themselves? That seems pretty demonic anon

>>95953039
I assume he's talking about William "His Name is John" Browning, savant firearms designer. Also mormon. So, no, we definitely aren't getting Browning things.

Any 40krefugees here? If so how does this game compare to 10th ed? I hear it's better.

>>95954169
Different games entirely, much more akin to kill team or other skirmish games like malifaux or infinity

>>95954210
Oh ok. How is it as a skirmish game then?

>>95954169
>>95954210
To answer the question though, combat is very lethal, simple quick actions makes the gameplay feel snappy. Play is focused on narrative campaigns as opposed to skirmishes, where your units can be permanently wounded or die if they're taken out in a mission. Games start small 700 points with a total max of 10 models (game 1) up to 1800 with a max of 22 (game 12). I guess the question is ultimately what are you looking for in a wargame that's not 40k?

>>95954225
Pretty good, especially for a modern setting game.
Goes fast and hard because you aren't limited to melee and shitty ranged, no 'armor' rolls, and models go down real fucking easy.

>>95955946
>>95954238
Does it have singleplayer?

>>95957713
Not yet, but i'm sure some anon will make a flowchart for the enemies to be able to play single player when the core book comes out for realsies

>>95957832
>the core book comes out for realsies
Ok now I'm confused. This game isn't released yet? Why are all these anons posting models?

>>95958032
The rules and factions are there and the game is playable, its just not in a finalized version, they keep adding more stuff and tweaking things.

>>95958032
The playtest rules has been released but the actual hardcover book doesn't go to print until late august-early september. The dev team is doing final touches and some FAQ/Errata stuff right now on the final product.

>>95948760
I have a good story in two parts:

>Praetor catches Liutenant after downing my HellKnight
>Double Serpent Assault Gun shot, out of action, spend the Tough on him.
>I'm gonna charge him and obliterate the fucker next turn since I of course have less minis and can go first.

>>95948760
>>95958441

>BUT IN COMES THE SHOCKTROOPER WITH A STEEL CHAIR
>He throws a grenade at the praetor, rolls 2 consecutive 12s, spends its Tough
>Fucking diving charges the thing, survives the fall with only a blood marker, hits it twice with double maces, praetor barely survives
>Next turn the praetor kills the shocktrooper but rolls a 5 on the liutenant bloodbath, gets obliterated by the cleric grenade launcher for being Asmodeus's greatest dissapointment

I could not believe my eyes

>>95958487
Oh and the shocktrooper survives but in typical fashion fails the promotion he so clearly deserved, which in turn goes to the HMI who did nothing except get one-tapped by the sorcerer.

Truly the ranks of the "faithful" are even more corrupt and tyrannical than ours.

>>95958441
Love low tiers taking out high tiers.

Makes me wonder about scenario games like MESBG has, where the odds are completely stacked against one side and they can only use certain units, but each side just has a different objective. Would be neat to see something like 20 yeomen having to hold territory against a respawning serpent court horde.

>>95958530
I remember seeing a scenario that limited the maximum base size, so that would probably be a good enough cap for this sort of thing. Like say only up to X 25mm models and Y free reinforcements show up.

>>95958487
Love the idea of a XBAWKSHUEG praetor getting bonked by a trooper outtanowhere with a folding steel chair

>>95958487
God gives his soldiers the battles that they can withstand, and seeing such honor and glory before the lord truly shows that God is with us in these trying times. God hath taken a hero from us, but given us all a legend and faith unyielding

Amen

>>95958487
>>95959177
Blessed.

>>95958521
Honestly at that point you and your crew should just agree and rule it that he's the one that got the promotion instead of the other guy

>>95958521
>>95960407
Or just make it /yourdudes/ campaign lore that the guy in charge of promotions was a massive dick.

>>95960521
In retrospect that's a way funnier way of doing it, either way your bro needs to make that shocktrooper a medal or some kind

>>95927196
This reminds me of when I play crusader kings and get really into the game only for my guys to suddenly troon out to this bullshit and convert to adamite faith, suddenly everyone is fucking naked and it spreads like a goddamn plague I HATE it anyway here’s a bull to stay on topic

>>95959177
Glory unto His name.

>>95960521
Yeah we already wrote down that the shocktrooper banged the promotions man wife and that's why he got skipped

>>95957713
Just play both sides yourself.
I am currently doing that to get a feel for how the armies I am interested in work out.

>>95958487
>Fucking diving charges the thing
>?.?
>opens the attached pic
>OH SHIT
That would have been a hype moment to see.

>>95959177
Deus Vult!

>>95961704
Is this the official model, or a conversion?
I am impressed with how fuckass mad he looks.

hobbylet here looking for opinions - i'm cranking a few resin bases out for a campaign this weekend, want to drybrush to make them pop a little more.

would you drybrush a gray over the top to sort of match the tufts, or do you think a lighter brown tone would go better? they're pretty dark already and my ||black grail|| models are pretty well shaded, so i'm leaning towards the brighter option. wasn't sure whether tufts should go before or after this, but amazon sent me an entire display of deadland tufts last year after ordering one pack, so i'm still going through em and don't really give a shit if i need to pull em off and use new ones.

>>95964124
>leaning towards the brighter option
As am I, go for it.

>>95961704
This takwin looks like it is one inconvenience away from trying to see if it can enter Heaven if its paves enough stones with infidel blood. And everyone's starting to look like an infidel.

>>95964124
>>95964147
Alright gents, what is a good choice for a basing compound for ashen mud? Asking for heretics

Lol nice echo chamber you have here. You guys are just reddit at this point. Every post I've made has been removed in minutes. Your game is for faggots and losers. Not my fault. Its just the truth. Kill yourself janny.

>>95968078
the game is just about headcanons

>>95968078
perhaps jannies are good for something
anyways heres a court model i've been working on

>>95968492
God the Saint is just so massive and even if it's on a 60mm base its still going to look fuckhueg desu

>>95968078
If you're going on boards dedicated to a game just to bitch about it because youtubers you follow are farming shallow drama you deserve to be lynched, not banned.

annoying faggotry

>>95966836
One of my boys is a wizard at colors, I'll ask him for you.
>>95968492
>don't talk to me or my son ever again

>>95954238
Probably one of the best approaches to a Skirmish game in a while. The game is very lethal, but it rewards smart table play and a balancing of risk vs reward that many others don't.

The rules themselves are intuitive and, imo, very easy to teach to others. It strikes a good mix between punchy and fast, while also keeping things fluffy. I learned the rules, built 2 lists, and ran a practice game all under 2 hours. The +1/-1 dice system is as genius as it is frustratingly swingy.

The real bread and butter of the system is in the Campaign, which is more like Necromunda in that you have multiple sessions where your roster and objectives evolve with each game. This helps even out the, sometimes high, degrees of randomness of each game and also makes the game's central risk-reward loop even more important when playing the table.

>>95968492
Cool stuff so far Anon

>>95969195
For some reason this guy's mask reminds me of yoko taro, and I feel like he needs a chefs hat. I Just kind of love the sin eater because of how goofy he is

>>95948760
I had one with my Black Grail vs pilgrims highlights were
>nun diving attacking a hound, only to fail, go down and then get eaten instantly, based doggo
>plague knight being bullied by a single trench pilgrim with an axe, just kept getting knocked down and whiffing all his hits back
>the legend grail thrall tearing off the anchorite shrines protection, so that the Lord of tumours could paste it and the prophet
>the entire rest of our warbands failing every single dash test and doing nothing
I lose but for a first game pretty entertaining

>>95972213
>the entire rest of our warbands failing every single dash test and doing nothing
I really need to invest in more musicians because I have the worst dash luck.

>>95972213
>plague knight being bullied by a single trench pilgrim
It appears that Pilgrim was listening to the voice of God without having to torture himself like a Communicant does. Maybe they are actually here to fulfil God's Plan. Keep an eye on them, will you Anon?

Hey, /trench/. I just recently came to know about this game and I find it really interesting. However, I've seen folks on the internet describe the lore for this game as half-baked and inconsistent, because it was made to accommodate what the artists came up with not the other way round. Also, how expensive are the minis compared to the stuff Games Workshop puts out?

>>95972893
Yeah I’ve committed to it because thralls ganging up are great but they need to get there first

>>95972908
Personally I find the lore to be pretty great, and most of the "inconsistencies" so far seem to be the result of the game and its lore not being finished yet. Most of the online screeching is because an e-celeb got banned off a fan-run discord server, and he's decided to wage a war against the game even though the devs had nothing to do with that.

The models are ultra-cheap because you're printing them yourself. The STLs are about average price for something that wasn't datamined out of a videogame, and the only cost above that is the resin. All of the rules are free.

>>95972908
Be interested in the game and the setting as flavour for it, lore is never that deep in a board game it’s just to improve your time playing.

Also the minis themselves are pricy but the game is built around using whatever minis you like the vaguely convey the described troop

>>95972908
>https://only-games.co/collections/trench-crusade
for ordering the minis. These are pre-orders since they can't afford to have constant mini production and hope people buy enough of them to break even.
>https://www.myminifactory.com/users/FactoryFortressInc
To purchase the STL files and use your own mini-fab to make the models yourself.

It's a cost of $50+Shipping (~$10) vs $30+printing (I have literally no idea how to price this shit); All against the price of whatever nonsense WH has priced its models at now.

Ignore the lore, unless you like fluffing your BRs like >>95972901 and keep in mind
>>95972953
>built around using whatever minis you like the vaguely convey the described
So you're not literally confined to using just the approved models. Seen some fuck-cool self-made sculpts in here. That I always forget to save.

>>95972979
Correct the only thing that matters is just matching the base size on the end result

>>95972952
>The STLs are about average price for something that wasn't datamined out of a videogame
This is not true, and I say this as someone who likes the game and has bought several of the official STLs post Kickstarter. They tend to be more expensive on average, and you don't get the crazy bulk discounts you'd find for other people on MyMiniFactory because they don't have a monthly Tribe option.

Luckily the game has taken off enough that you have dozens of people making sculpts for the game that you can pick and choose, or you could just follow the Westfalia or eventually the Creature Caster Tribes and end up with a Heretic and Grail army respectively for like $10 a month.
>>95972908
>I've seen folks on the internet describe the lore for this game as half-baked and inconsistent, because it was made to accommodate what the artists came up with not the other way round
Yes and no. Previously the lore was poorly collected because it's spread all over the place between Artstation pics, Instagram, Discord, Twitter posts, etc which isn't helping, and it's always been the main artist's personal setting he made as cool background lore for his art, but what's there is neat (I'm partial to the short story where an angel shows up and everyone has a real bad time). A lot of the complaints you're going to see online are at best people who are upset there isn't 40 years worth of wiki articles and short stories like 40k and at worst are culture warriors who only have knowledge of the setting through an extended game of telephone bitching. Right now it seems like the lore has been collected on the official site, so I'd suggest just taking a look around and making your own judgement on things.

>>95973044
>upset there isn't 40 years worth of wiki articles and short stories
Huh. Never actually hit me how much lore WH40K has. I remember the first editions had some very stupid shit they had to retcon out (Half-elf Space Marines). So TC probably has to go through the same process until it develops its own Black Library copy and starts churning out novels of varying quality.

>>95973044
>the creature caster tribes
Given my precious subscription to them I guarantee they will fuck it up and barely release any models a month. Usually they release a random faction then complete it a year later

They’ve also pushed ‘the great hunger’ back to work on the rules, but refuse to release the stls they’ve had for ages

>>95973115
Yeah it's easy to take for granted just how many Warhammer books there are because very few people read every single one instead of just picking and choosing the couple that interest them. Like for instance the Horus Heresy alone has 54 mainline books, 10 for the Siege of Terra as a separate mini series, and 21 dedicated Primarch books. And that's just for what is effectively the backstory of modern 40k.
>>95973130
I didn't realize they were that bad. I saw they were giving out a free preview mini so I assumed they were getting that shit together, but I guess I was wrong.

>>95973168
If you can grab the individual models you want on sale that’s fine but I wouldn’t sub until they’ve proved they’ll stick to finishing a faction before moving on

>>95972953
>Be interested in the game and the setting as flavour for it, lore is never that deep in a board game it’s just to improve your time playing.
Thank you, but I disagree. People like different aspects of a hobby, and for me lore is important for feeling immersed in a game.

Who or what is the Beast?

>>95973319
The most evil, soulless thing you can imagine.

>>95954238
So it's Necromunda?

>>95973992
More Mordheim than Necromunda. But essentially, yes. The rules were even written by one of the original designers of Mordheim

>>95973319
Reveal it`s visage if you dare.

>>95973319
Me 15 drinks in and my ex calls me about the alimony again

>>95951857
Very funny gentile but the Jewish people are God's chosen thus they should play a vital lore in the setting.

>>95976361
They did play a vital role. Who do you think taught the crusaders how to open the gates of hell?

>>95977271
>Jews would rather let Hell have free reign over Earth than simply admit they had no claim over Israel
Amazingly based /jk /srs /jjk

campaign will be starting soonTM in my area, so I have to come up with a 700 ducat list. Should I try to squeeze in a bunch of naked dudes or give my starting guys more survivability and hope they can accrue some xp?

>>95980024
Depends entirely on your army, and thematics.
You aren't a WAAC faggot, right?

>>95980024
Campaign games are about a narrrative, min maxing doesnt really work. Random chance and parameters from game to game can fuck you over or play heavily in your odds, so build towards a theme and try to keep that as you go or youll be plugging gaps you didnt need to fill just to try and remain consistent in every department.

Pick a weapon or unit you like and build around them as your focus for the warband.
>this round there is no elites
>you geared everything around elites and are now stuck using your shitties
>instead of trying to trade blows, try and hurt the enemy as much as possible, where even if they win they are going to pay for it, as those casualties and injuries are going to apply to the next game, where for you, your guys were just shitties, it doesnt matters as much to you if they get rekt as it does for them
Stuff like that will happen, you cant min max for this you just have to know what YOUR strength is for the campaign.

>>95980057
>>95980173
I'm not trying to minmax, I just go "ooh shiney" and include another guy in my list. One of every special troop and 4 basic dudes runs me at around 700 points if they all have super basic gear
Is it a bad idea to run everybody in dogshit equipment? I don't care about being competitive, but I will objectively have less fun if I'm getting thrashed every game

>>95980461
Kindof. You definately want units you consider "disposable" that if they die it doesnt cost you a lot to replace, so you can take risks with them on objectives and holding enemies etc, but if everyone is like this then youre going to get completely bodied in encounters where you actually want to try and overcome an enemy. It might be fun to throw a regular yeoman with a bolt action bayonet against a praetor, but in almost every scenario they are going to lose that fight, if your entire army is nothing but units like this going up against units like that that you are going to have a bad time becuse you have no answer to the enemies well equipped stuff.

Pick a unit you like and outfit them with good stuff and have the "disposables" with cheaper gear to account for that.

>>95980461
You can get by without having the best in class weapons starting out, but I'd strongly suggest having Reinforced Armor on your elites since they'll be your most expensive units and you really want them to live so they can accumulate skills. Also if any of your units have Strong and you aren't taking advantage of that with a Heavy gun on one-handing a greatsword you're missing out. Four basic dudes also might be overkill. Personally I usually use two and that number seems to work well.

Frostgrave announced a third Cultist box, Trench Pilgrims eating good.

>>95981274
No one sells just capirotes. I don't need more random dudes, I need pointy helms

Any STLs, sculpts, etc. that would fit for Iron Sultanate but look a little more WW1? I like Sultanate a lot but they don’t seem to mesh as well with the WW1 aesthetic

>>95981274
God fucking damnit.

>>95982976
They just announced it so it doesn't have a release date yet, might be a while given Northstar's release schedule.

Just saw this, thought it was neat.

Each of the heretic sub factions has an insect motif Black Grail is maggots and worms, the Beast ticks and parasites but I can't quite figure out the Church of Metamorphosis. At the one hand they they look like praying mantises on the other they look like some type of shrimp.

>>95983277
Carcinizationwould be a form of metamorphosis.
>all is crab
>no civilization
>return to crab

>>95983290
>no civilization
>return to crab
I don't think it's a regression because carcinization is an evolution it's moving forwards. The Beast definitely represents regression but the Church is different.

>>95973850
Nah thats a classic servant of mammon

>>95982396
>WGA - Afghan Warriors
>Gripping Beast - Arab Spearmen & Archers
>Fireforge - Berber Infantry, Black Guard, Russian Infantry (they can pass for Arab with some kitbashing)
Bolt Action in general for bits.
What I did was take the general bodies and work with them; Arab body, German/Prussian heads for the gasmasks, shaved down the rim of the helmet and used tape to make a new turban, and this was for my baseline Azeb/Skirmisher.
Bolt Action gives you a pile a spare bits to kit your dudes with; I used spare pauldrons to represent Standard Armor, full breastplates for Reinforced, had grenades, shovels, pouches, bayonets and knives aplenty.
I made 2 sappers in the same fashion, with flamethrowers from a WW2 kit.
My alchemist is based on a WF Slaaneshi sorcerer that I mutilated and kitted up.
I have no assassin, because I am struggling to think of a good kit for that, although I saw one last thread that may work for assassins and alchemists both.
Lions are whatever beast thing you want, Brazen Bulls, many suggest ogres or trolls from other lines, but I went with Warmahordes.
I'm not even going to fucking attempt to kitbash a Jannisarry, outside my league. I would call for the spirit of Scriptarious to give me inspiration, but that is of a bygone era, ne'er to return.

>>95983295
To my understanding is the church is all about moving beyond god's intended path, which they as restricting humanity's potential, so they study all the secret beyond-the-stars knowledge to improve and iterate themselves to be better than god's design.

Beasts are saying "fuck the divine spirit I want to just eat fuck and kill forever", Church is saying "the divine spirit rules, dont tell me what to do with it god"

>>95983304
Completely forgot to say, I used both Afghan Warriors and Black Guard for my base dudes and equipment. The halberd-guns I made are something I'm pretty happy with.

>>95983277
Speaking of Black Grail, Im trying different stuff to make an executor leader for the dirge alternate warband, might replace all the heads of my knights with ones like this and make it a theme that they all have nerd neck and a big mouth for a head, considering the dirge apparently sing songs all the time. What do you reckon?

>>95983313
I like it, anon, do it!

>>95983313
Looks amazing and definitely fits the whole worm/maggot look

>>95983304
or see
>>95905622
Read the Thread applies to us both right now.

Has anyone played Red Bridgade and are they fun? A lot of the rules just seem to benefit campaign play but dogs are cool

Plastic box sets when?

>>95983778
Never unless they collaborate

>>95983330
Your opponent handing out a blood marker to your heaviest at game start seems like a pretty high cost but guns blazing is such a fun gunkata rule, I've not played with or against them but they seem pretty flavorful
>>95983778
Probably never, but you are encouraged to kit bash or make your own models for it, so just use plastic models to make your own

>>95983778
Probably never. The great thing with this is that kitbashing is pretty damn easy due to the fact the the factions do not have a single uniform. Wish there was more bits providers that did things like crosses and plaques with designs on them appropriate to the setting.

I might start trying to chop up STLs in blender
wish me luck

>>95894197 (OP)
I'm just here for the Paul Bonner art

Repasta of my painted band

>>95983306
I do wonder which is the better path the Beast or the Church of Metamorphosis? In both you lose your humanity but in the setting that seems to grant you the highest chance of survival

>>95985076
>>95985083
Very cool, one of the problems common in kitbashes is that the different pieces do not really fit, these fit very well, I assume they're all metal?? (except the HMI which I know is plastic)

>>95985681
All plastic and kitbashed. I bought a set of medieval foot knights and WW2 American soldiers both from Perry miniatures. I think being the same brand made them very easy to slot together. The wings are from another company and cut to fit. The HMI was printed using a free sculpt

I'm thankful the mods keep on eye on this thread to deal with shitposters.
Thank you kindly, if you haven't heard it before.

>>95985638
We dont know a lot, but it seems the church of metamorphosis is much chiller, most of them spend their time in the churches doing math for the rest of hell in return for being left alone.

If you're a jobber in the path of the beast you're just gonna get eaten.

>>95983778
>Plastic box sets when?
I misread that as plastic sex bots, thought this was about arty witches. I need sleep.

>>95990095
Soon™

Go sleep.

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