/hhg/ & /atg/ โ€“ Horus Heresy General & Adeptus Titanicus Genera - /tg/ (#95897941) [Archived: 891 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:10:30 PM No.95897941
30-saturninedreadkit-loadout2-v6qjip7m61
30-saturninedreadkit-loadout2-v6qjip7m61
md5: afb5321969461b7f0a1e72e46c2eb580๐Ÿ”
Butt plugs edition

Previous Heresy: >>95892998

>HH 3.0 Leaks
https://imgur.com/a/344L8ku

>New Edition Soonโ„ข
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

>New to The Horus Heresy? Hereโ€™s Everything Youโ€™ll Need to Get Started
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

>MEGAs are down for the time being, going to wait for things to cooldown with the new edition and leaks before bringing them back up

ใ€ŽAdeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialisใ€
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

>Thread Question:
How important are the aesthetics of a unit when you consider buy/using it?
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:14:32 PM No.95897965
>TQ
incredibly
if I don't like how the official model looks, I will autistically convert something instead
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:14:38 PM No.95897966
30-saturninedreadkit-options-jsypdxc5lb
30-saturninedreadkit-options-jsypdxc5lb
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I still don't care for the terminators but the dread has grown on me quite a bit.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:14:58 PM No.95897973
>>95897941 (OP)
>How important are the aesthetics of a unit when you consider buy/using it?
It's at least a contender for the most important thing
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:16:03 PM No.95897982
>>95897941 (OP)
>1d6chan
What's the difference between it and 2d4chan?
Replies: >>95897994
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:17:14 PM No.95897989
>>95897966
God on one hand I like the eye of horus chest so much aesthetically but on the other hand every traitor Legion using the eye feels like a gay cop out
Replies: >>95898015
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:17:23 PM No.95897990
29-saturninedreadlore-scalewide-zt9iqj3hvn
29-saturninedreadlore-scalewide-zt9iqj3hvn
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It's funny how all the people shooping leviathans next to the saturnine always have the latter be at least twice as tall as the leviathan, yet every official comparison shows the size difference is much smaller.
Replies: >>95898010 >>95898038 >>95898069
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:17:40 PM No.95897993
1750189769885273
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>>95897941 (OP)
>TQ
Its the most important thing, idc about taking the fluff or rules seriously, they are just a framework for me to smash my cool robots and tanks together
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:17:42 PM No.95897994
>>95897982
different number probability distribution
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:18:20 PM No.95898003
>>95897941 (OP)
>How important are the aesthetics of a unit when you consider buy/using it?
Very, I wont use ugly units.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:19:18 PM No.95898010
>>95897990
these aren't the actual models though?
Replies: >>95898038 >>95898048
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:19:57 PM No.95898015
>>95897989
I mean he was the Warmaster. Even loyal legions were using it before the heresy.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:20:53 PM No.95898027
27-saturninetermkit-praetor2-qbe1spqwgv
27-saturninetermkit-praetor2-qbe1spqwgv
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Perhaps like this?
Replies: >>95898043
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:22:39 PM No.95898038
IMG_8641
IMG_8641
md5: 70a1746b5a2cbb34f3d0146603eb02af๐Ÿ”
>>95897990
>>95898010
They aren't next to each other here, but you can at least get an idea of the size difference.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:23:22 PM No.95898043
>>95898027
He looks like the drummer for the heaviest metal band in the Imperium
Replies: >>95901519
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:23:38 PM No.95898048
image-53
image-53
md5: ab8a71e5098d66d978660432314ab6b9๐Ÿ”
>>95898010
Replies: >>95898063 >>95898114
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:24:10 PM No.95898052
1749207613523784
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md5: f19680f4a3a2d8c859f8deed3d6feb8c๐Ÿ”
https://poal.me/8uyx6y
https://poal.me/8uyx6y
https://poal.me/8uyx6y
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:24:37 PM No.95898057
The saturnine dread is going to have a 4++, isn't it?
Replies: >>95898062
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:25:34 PM No.95898062
>>95898057
Only if the Leviathan does. It'll probably have more wounds and maybe a point more toughness.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:25:49 PM No.95898063
>>95898048
oh dude, SATURNINE ARE 3 TIMES THE SI-- NO 4 TIMES THE SIZE OF LEVIATHANS!!!!
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:26:12 PM No.95898065
>>95897966
Yeah same. The heads and gorgets options look fantastic.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:26:25 PM No.95898069
>>95897990
Both the dread and the terminators are good imho. People would love the dread if it wasn't for the (better) Leviathan already existing and the Terminators only work really well in the iron legions. Neither look good in Sally colors imho and both would come off way better in a generic army composition and not alongside nothing but infantry, like the new box cover. Maybe I'm just dumb though, because all the horrible 40k releases of the last decades melted my brain and I think everything not dogshit looks good...
Replies: >>95898167
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:28:04 PM No.95898077
30-saturninedreadkit-sprue2-qxoigwcxzz
30-saturninedreadkit-sprue2-qxoigwcxzz
md5: 50c32dd7adfc19eaafaa57a44fd074d4๐Ÿ”
It looks like the legs are posable like normal. Just how much you can pose this thing without it looking stupid is a different question.
Replies: >>95898149
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:33:18 PM No.95898110
1750255463012126
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md5: 6e0676ec4e16b30289a95f6dfae4e5db๐Ÿ”
>>95897966
If it ever got melee options I might reevaluate, but right now it just looks goofy to me. Plus I can't help but focus on the "other face" it has up top.
Replies: >>95898124 >>95898253
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:33:31 PM No.95898114
P1210194
P1210194
md5: 887990071c19cdcdf2fe6f3c8225bfdb๐Ÿ”
>>95898048
Remember when the Acastus knight went from this to being as big as a Warhound? The creep is eternal.
Replies: >>95898141 >>95898308 >>95899302
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:34:28 PM No.95898124
>>95898110
>psykers are better at using it because they can better ignore the screaming of its machine spirit
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:36:23 PM No.95898141
>>95898114
I still mourn that the Porpyhrion became this big unwieldy brick rather than a regular-ass fire-support knight
Replies: >>95899331 >>95899700
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:37:09 PM No.95898149
>>95898077
This is a complex kit for a starter set, they really are going in hard on filtering people.
Replies: >>95898173
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:40:01 PM No.95898167
27-saturninetermkit-standardloadout-nca5f7klne
27-saturninetermkit-standardloadout-nca5f7klne
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>>95898069
The saturnine don't look good. In terms of design they're out of place and we haven't seen a decent paintjob yet though when they're scuffed up they're a little better. They do have a lot of open panel space and details on their guns and reactors so they might be fun to fiddle with, but they don't look good.
The dreadnought looks better because it's got detail that shows off how heavy it is. Its biggest problem is the guns looking goofy as fuck.
Replies: >>95898186 >>95898205 >>95898226 >>95898265 >>95898965
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:40:49 PM No.95898172
>>95897966
I didn't know it had so many alternate front panels and helmets. maybe its not so bad afterall
Replies: >>95898215
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:41:02 PM No.95898173
>>95898149
They're just not bothering to produce an easy-build kit anymore.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:42:46 PM No.95898186
>>95898167
*saturnine terminators
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:43:56 PM No.95898195
>>95897941 (OP)
There really should have just been an apex detachment of 4 warmachines instead of the one in an aux detachment.
Replies: >>95898219
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:44:43 PM No.95898205
>>95898167
What are the OG art and saturnine model design?
Replies: >>95898232 >>95898296
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:45:44 PM No.95898215
>>95898172
Anon don't...
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:46:25 PM No.95898219
>>95898195
I'm sure the new Master Of Treadicus will let you take a full detatchment of tanks/dreads.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:47:17 PM No.95898226
>>95898167
>and we haven't seen a decent paintjob
The RG one looked good
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:48:17 PM No.95898232
pauldrons
pauldrons
md5: 86adf09f6950464f3b833527ac7edabf๐Ÿ”
>>95898205
I dunno what you mean by that. What were they supposed to be?
Replies: >>95898281
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:49:43 PM No.95898250
1723109369387229
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md5: 1d748c14190b59398f93f36225a9a22d๐Ÿ”
>Avatar of Scorn, piloted by Golgorath
Yes, these are suitably metal names for the IW. Feels like all the new stuff keeps getting called "siege" this and "siege" that, which makes Pert happy. Wish we had some solid shell options though. Just give me big fuckoff battlecannons to mount on the arms, where are the heavy bolter chest guns?
Replies: >>95898268 >>95898280 >>95898289
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:49:55 PM No.95898253
saturnine frog
saturnine frog
md5: 2fb0d46dc1aa312003e74debb37e84b4๐Ÿ”
>>95898110
Fuck now I see another face.
Replies: >>95898261 >>95898274 >>95898295 >>95898351
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:51:01 PM No.95898261
>>95898253
kek
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:51:18 PM No.95898265
>>95898167
Also funny that they seem really strong rules-wise so HH battlefields will suddenly be transformed by a new type of terminator that had Always Been There Actually.
Replies: >>95898283
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:51:29 PM No.95898268
>>95898250
So which chest nipples are those? Volkite?
Replies: >>95898306
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:52:19 PM No.95898274
>>95898253
lmao, hope someone paints it up like this
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:53:12 PM No.95898280
>>95898250
>When you got decimated, but at least Perturabo let you pilot the dread build like a fortress wielding fuckhuge guns
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:53:18 PM No.95898281
>>95898232
I was curious what their original design were like and if they used heavy weapon or not
Replies: >>95898290
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:53:43 PM No.95898283
>>95898265
>they seem really strong rules-wise
In what world.

They seem like they cant compete even with 2.0 terminators, let alone whatever new rules they will end up with.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:54:30 PM No.95898289
>>95898250
Why does this look so good when the Saturnine look so goofy, when they're drawing from the same design cues?
Replies: >>95898298 >>95898305 >>95898336 >>95899314
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:54:34 PM No.95898290
>>95898281
Artwork aside as far as I can tell that's the only kind of model saturnine had.
Replies: >>95898310
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:55:08 PM No.95898295
>>95898253
Lol this just flips the face dynamic
>Focus brother Anura, you have control of locomotion, I need you to drive me forward so I can hit them with my gun
>But brother Furioso, these stinky mahreens have so many tasty flies around them
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:55:13 PM No.95898296
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>>95898205
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:55:24 PM No.95898298
>>95898289
Dreadnought coffin is less goofy than man inside fuckhuge suit
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:56:32 PM No.95898305
>>95898289
It's almost like the cartoonish, over-saturated and excessively highlighted painting scheme that eavy metal does for GW's show models actually makes everything look like ass,
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:56:32 PM No.95898306
>>95898268
>These primary weapon mounts were combined with point-defence weapons, such as photonic incinerators or concussive resonators โ€“ all quite potent in their own right, making the Saturnine Dreadnought a terrifying prospect to engage in a short-ranged firefight.

Unclear if those are the only two options
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:56:33 PM No.95898308
Xana_Incursion_Defence_of_Setna
Xana_Incursion_Defence_of_Setna
md5: 7b5fd46567ed32339788b2a0272bff7b๐Ÿ”
>>95898114
Shit that Acastus looks so much better than the one we got.

On topic, I wanted to use my Knight army for HH but I read that their rules are basically ass, does anyone reckon that they're gonna be better in 3.0 or are they gonna be left in the dump?
Replies: >>95898320 >>95898323 >>95898369 >>95898388 >>95899339 >>95899700
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:56:53 PM No.95898310
>>95898290
Cool thanks
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:58:02 PM No.95898320
>>95898308
Possibly worse.
On the one hand they might get better at killing dreadnoughts, on the other hand they might get easier to kill now that damage(multiple) weapons are more common.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 4:58:24 PM No.95898323
>>95898308
who the fuck knows, they're apparently impossible for GW brainlettes to balance, and as such are doomed to forever ocellate between OP That Guy bullshit and absolute garbage bin Militia-tier
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:00:46 PM No.95898336
>>95898289
The dreadnought looks heavy as fuck. The legs are great because the thighs are just this huge thicc piston. There's gear tracks all over like on the waist and inside the pelvis joints and the elbows. The head is surrounded by layers of armor not just a single solid slab like on the leviathan.
I'm gonna retract my previous statements I think the dreadnought looks good. I'm changing my mind especially after seeing the sprues.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:01:19 PM No.95898337
>>95897966
it's hard to justify keeping this thing when I can sell it and pick up more rhinos and contemptors than I'll ever need, but damn do I like that giant disintegrator.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:02:08 PM No.95898342
>inversion beamer that gets stronger the closer you are to your target
Sick
Replies: >>95898354 >>95898363
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:02:45 PM No.95898347
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>>95897941 (OP)
Post Models/WIPS/Games
Replies: >>95898365 >>95898526 >>95898542 >>95899902
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:03:31 PM No.95898351
MM4_-_Toad_Man_Art
MM4_-_Toad_Man_Art
md5: e8201ecd21131dbe6bb9e40e3e487bff๐Ÿ”
>>95898253
Tempting....
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:03:40 PM No.95898352
1719136416417676
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md5: 12f11e080c8cbcaf8c9986817d6e677e๐Ÿ”
So the new multi-D weapons means dreads and automata are going to be MUCH easier to kill right?
Replies: >>95898367 >>95898381 >>95898455
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:03:52 PM No.95898354
>>95898342
>take a conversion beamer
>flip the batteries around
Replies: >>95898447 >>95898930
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:05:14 PM No.95898363
>>95898342
a shame it looks like a delicate piece of machinery that would break easily at close range. Also you don't have any melee weapons for when you inevitably get charged and tarpitted by the squad of tacticals you were shooting
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:05:37 PM No.95898365
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>>95898347
Replies: >>95902676
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:05:55 PM No.95898367
>>95898352
Yes, it's gonna take half as many lascannon shots as in 2.0 provided the unit remained stationary
Replies: >>95898377
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:06:16 PM No.95898369
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>>95898308
Left in the dump. With all the anti-vehicle weapons doing more damage they got a paltry HP increase. No more side armor is okay. WS4 means they're still insufficient in combat, and with no attacks buff they'll be doing less damage than they do now because they'll get no bonus attacks.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:06:46 PM No.95898376
Instead of a fist they should give it a buzzsaw or a wrecking ball
Replies: >>95898391
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:06:47 PM No.95898377
>>95898367
>provided the unit remained stationary
movement changes damage?
Replies: >>95898382 >>95898384
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:08:09 PM No.95898381
>>95898352
Probably not, they will get some durability buffs
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:08:41 PM No.95898382
>>95898377
The Heavy rule now means the weapon gains a +1 to a stat if fired whilst stationary. For lascannons it's +1 to damage, increasing their damage to 2
Replies: >>95898391 >>95898406
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:09:06 PM No.95898384
>>95898377
The heavy keyword now gives you a bonus to a characteristic instead of forcing snap shots, lascannons to from damage 1 to 2 if they don't move for example
Replies: >>95898391
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:09:37 PM No.95898388
>>95898308
I want my Dominus suits back, damn it. They're supposed to be older than the Imperium like all knight suits so nobody can pull the RnD card.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:10:31 PM No.95898391
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We know the Termies have innate DS, why not give it to the dread too? It's a slow lumbering fuck with short range weapons after all. I'm sure you can stick a teleport device somewhere in there
>>95898376
Hell yeah, a siege saw for opening up fortifications.
>>95898382
>>95898384
Well that's fucking retarded.
Replies: >>95898403 >>95898405 >>95898517 >>95898544
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:11:13 PM No.95898399
I hate that all of the Saturnine Dreadnought's weapons are some form of energy weapon. I want solid ammo. I love storm cannons so give me that but bigger.
Replies: >>95898413
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:11:53 PM No.95898403
saturnine terminators
saturnine terminators
md5: b6a837dd60ecf5a9e6656ec676ca0566๐Ÿ”
>>95898391
The termies do in fact not have innate deep strike
Replies: >>95898411 >>95902333
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:12:11 PM No.95898405
>>95898391
>the Termies have innate DS
You have to attack a 260 point praetor for their deepstrike.
Replies: >>95898411 >>95898594
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:12:42 PM No.95898406
>>95898382
I hate that they ported this gay-ass rule over from 40k. Does it exist because GW thinks its players can't plan more than one turn ahead?
Replies: >>95898475
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:13:09 PM No.95898411
>>95898403
>>95898405
but don't they have options for the teleport bit on the model?
Replies: >>95898421 >>95898474
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:13:17 PM No.95898413
>>95898399
That would be a waste of the dreadnoughts reactor output. You have leviathans and rapiers for lots of dakka
Replies: >>95898530
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:14:18 PM No.95898421
>>95898411
Those are for the shields.
Replies: >>95898431 >>95899417
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:15:46 PM No.95898431
>>95898421
what shields?
Replies: >>95898448
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:18:19 PM No.95898447
>>95898354
>flip the batteries around
>deconversion reamer
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:18:19 PM No.95898448
>>95898431
The ones that give them 4+ invulns.
Replies: >>95898461
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:20:34 PM No.95898455
>>95898352
Dreadnought are going to have -1D, Im calling it now
Automata will not, obviously
Replies: >>95898478
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:21:22 PM No.95898461
1735136665312817
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>>95898448
No, they glow when they teleport in. Also like 9 teleport in here without an HQ. I think one of the articles called it a teleport bit too
Replies: >>95898485
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:23:25 PM No.95898474
>>95898411
If they join a 260p saturnine praetor, they can deepstrike with him
They don't get to do it on their own
Replies: >>95899582
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:23:29 PM No.95898475
>>95898406
Probably because it meant certain weapons on certain units (like multi-meltas on hss for example) just never saw any use ever.
It could also be argued that marines should be able to take a knee and fire off a quick shot with heavy weapons whilst on the move. Which would not be as effective as staying in one place and taking careful aim, but maybe not to the point of it being snap shots.
>It also makes no sense that units can't move and shoot heavy weapons, unless shot at in which case they return fire with perfect accuracy
Replies: >>95898505 >>95898519
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:24:31 PM No.95898478
>>95898455
It was already confirmed that a meltagun at close range can one-shot a deredeo. That doesn't sound like -1 damage to me.
Replies: >>95898501 >>95898509 >>95898667
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:24:55 PM No.95898485
CruxTerminatus
CruxTerminatus
md5: 3fe662af8584439d39115a8f7ea9a799๐Ÿ”
>>95898461
Needs more skulls.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:27:09 PM No.95898501
>>95898478
>confirmed
>Warcom
Lol
Replies: >>95898667
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:27:25 PM No.95898505
>>95898475
No, it cannot be argued that a marine on foot should be able to fire a lascannon while running and have it not be a snap shop. Go fuck yourself.
Replies: >>95898519 >>95898535
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:27:45 PM No.95898509
>>95898478
I'm not going to believe anything coming from the warcom intern until I see it on a book desu
But dreads could have easily had their wound dropped. Specially if they come with a -1D mechanic.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:28:17 PM No.95898517
>>95898391
>We know the Termies have innate DS
As far as we saw from the rules? They dont. You need to stick on a saturnine praetor to DS them, so its a really expensive option. If they could do it solo the atomic shredder bomb would be much more attractive.
Replies: >>95898537
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:28:38 PM No.95898519
>>95898505
>>95898475
It's almost as if moving shouldn't change damage, just the accuracy. Like say... a -1 to hit?
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:29:57 PM No.95898526
IMG_20250618_112753
IMG_20250618_112753
md5: f8838ea88f07052de13feaf3c7afd2fc๐Ÿ”
>>95898347
Slowly working on my Deliverers and Praetor. Decided to build a sacrificial interceptor taker. Can't decide if I want to make the tassels on the unit dark leather to match the Praetor.

Have a game in two weeks against DG. It's going to be a destroyer/phosphex off and should be brutal.
Replies: >>95898607
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:30:10 PM No.95898530
>>95898413
YOU'RE a waste of reactor output! >:(
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:30:43 PM No.95898535
>>95898505
>The eight foot tall genetically modified supersoldier in a highly advanced powered armor suit shouldn't be able to hit the broad side of a barn because he moved half an inch to get better footing
Replies: >>95898551
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:30:56 PM No.95898537
1723118498312529
1723118498312529
md5: f7b611ec3d71e0fb779a92ec4cfe1e58๐Ÿ”
>>95898517
Surely those are just the quickstart rules and missing half the text. No way they're S4 for example. And what's the point of having a secondary flamer if you can't fire it while moving?
>Atomic Shredder bomb
It amuses me to no end that the deadliest weapons on the new termies are the tiny sidearms. Imagine if the main draw of a Vet bomb was the bolt pistols
Replies: >>95898548
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:31:47 PM No.95898542
IMG_0788
IMG_0788
md5: 4a12666f9a0dcc2f9af992f2212f65c4๐Ÿ”
>>95898347
Havenโ€™t had hobby time so have my WIL Decurion again.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:31:54 PM No.95898544
>>95898391
As others said not natively, which is weird. There may be prime slot benefits that grant deepstrike in certain generic/legion detachments though.

The dread did teleport in during the trailer. But that could be via a salamander rule or some sort of drop assault detachment.
Replies: >>95898557 >>95899345
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:32:38 PM No.95898548
>>95898537
>Surely those are just the quickstart rules and missing half the text. No way they're S4 for example. And what's the point of having a secondary flamer if you can't fire it while moving?
Those are the rules based on the profiles in the article. The quickstart rules are different entirely.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:33:04 PM No.95898551
>>95898535
Better footing isn't a game mechanic.

Moving round LoS-blocking objects or flat our repositioning are, but that'd be actual movement, and not your flimsy strawman.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:33:26 PM No.95898552
asgasdfasdg
asgasdfasdg
md5: c3c92a900f7095470b049d5fe259658c๐Ÿ”
So what are those supposed to be?
They look more like adratic disintegrators than the new design for disintegrators
Replies: >>95898564 >>95898566 >>95898582
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:34:09 PM No.95898557
>>95898544
The dread is the only one that doesn't teleport in. There's a big explosion from the plasma bombard, and then we see the dread slowly walking up to the fight.
Which makes it weird if you think about it, they had to drive their entire tank convoy with preds and LRs into this ambush valley, I guess the dread was just hauling ass and keeping up with the tanks? Unless it can fit inside a LR somehow. Maybe ride on top of it?
Replies: >>95898572 >>95898584
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:35:23 PM No.95898564
>>95898552
Photonic incinerators or concussive resonators. Looks like the latter to me. Technically a noise weapon if you squint, and those do kinda look like speakers
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:35:42 PM No.95898566
>>95898552
knees
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:35:57 PM No.95898572
>>95898557
That's 100% a teleport energy wave. That area was devoid of any foot troops at the start of the animation. No way that dread suddenly ran there. Everyone else had a transport or teleported in as well.
Replies: >>95898584 >>95898591
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:37:12 PM No.95898582
>>95898552
vents
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:37:37 PM No.95898584
>>95898572
>>95898557
The dreadnought also got soloed by an IW centurion, so maybe its not an accurate representation of the rules idk.
Replies: >>95898600 >>95898602
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:39:07 PM No.95898591
>>95898572
no, it's a plasma bombard. The IW sees it coming and it gets brighter as it approaches, and it even has a sound effect. Also it explodes in dark-ish blue energy and knocks the guy back, while the teleporting Satties just casually TP in without smoke or shockwaves
Replies: >>95898635
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:39:28 PM No.95898594
>>95898405
War Mongerer pls
Replies: >>95898601 >>95898611
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:40:17 PM No.95898600
>>95898584
>soloed
We just see the guy running at it firing a combi melta, we don't know how the fight ended. Dread seems to be shrugging it off. Then again it has no melee weapons, so maybe the Centurion just disassembled it over 6 rounds of combat by hitting it with the maul
Replies: >>95898611 >>95899425
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:40:23 PM No.95898601
>>95898594
No official model, no rules :^)
Replies: >>95898613
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:40:29 PM No.95898602
>>95898584
Not exactly, the trailer ended before we saw the result of that confrontation. The centurion was melting some of the front plating with his combi-melta, but the dreadnought didn't seem particularly bothered by it.
Replies: >>95898611 >>95899425
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:41:20 PM No.95898607
>>95898526
What red is that? Kino scheme, also are those axes inside the fist?
Replies: >>95898626
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:41:49 PM No.95898611
>>95898594
Its possible the warmonger also gets a similar rule to the saturnine praetor (can only grant DS to similar troops). So a cata warmonger gives cata terminators DS, a tartaros gives tartaros termies, a regular gives regular troops DS

>>95898600
>>95898602
It cuts to the two fags on terra talking about how the assault has failed.
Obviously this could mean "istvan at large" but in the narrative language of the trailer it seems to mean that salamanders attack.
Replies: >>95898630 >>95898631 >>95898647
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:42:18 PM No.95898613
>>95898601
Not in 3.0 where they release journals that explicitly tell you to poach and kitbash. The first of which is the Augery Command and Control Squad.

:^)
Replies: >>95898696
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:44:24 PM No.95898626
>>95898607
Mephiston, with Blood Angels contrast over it, and selective nuln oil shading. And thanks! It's very similar to official scheme, just slight tweaks. They're count as chainfists. I used plasticard and replaced the teeth with the cleavers.
Replies: >>95898666 >>95898740
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:44:39 PM No.95898630
>>95898611
Even if the assault failed, it doesn't mean it was due to the Centurion killing the dread. For starters, the IW ambush was clearly not the assault force's main target, they got ambushed on the way. So whatever fortified position they were planning to assault is still standing somewhere else, and if the Sallies won that skirmish then now they have a severely depleted force to try and take the other spot, not looking good. And if this was indeed the main fight, you could hjust have the dread shot by tarantulas after it kills the Cent
Replies: >>95898640 >>95898670
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:44:56 PM No.95898631
>>95898611
>but in the narrative language of the trailer it seems to mean that salamanders attack.
That is schizo logic, did you forget to take your meds again?
Replies: >>95898640
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:45:44 PM No.95898635
>>95898591
Doubt, plus the dread is bigger, hence the shock where pinning rules in 2.0 originally from. How else does it appear out of thin air? We call that teleporting.
Replies: >>95898640
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:46:34 PM No.95898640
>>95898630
>t by tarantulas after it kills the Cent
Didnt the Saturnine praetor deal with them?

>>95898631
>show fight start
>cut away
>X side has lost
That clearly implies one outcome does it not?

>>95898635
>How else does it appear out of thin air?
Adeptus slasher-villain-us
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:48:57 PM No.95898647
>>95898611
No it was definitely talking about how Istvaan V failed. The literal next sentence was about the betrayal of the other 4 legions.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:52:18 PM No.95898664
You know I think implacable advance will be shared by all Terminators and allow them to volley fire with all weapons, which would be a really interesting Buff if combi bolters also go to 4 shots with no twin linked.
Replies: >>95898674
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:52:52 PM No.95898666
>>95898626
Thanks, I'm looking for a decent red scheme for a blood angels project. I do like how Deliverers is basically uno reverso of the Justaerin scheme.
Replies: >>95898692
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:52:59 PM No.95898667
>>95898478
>>95898501
They literally went back and removed Deredeo from the example lol. Now it just says Predator.

Literally anything on Warcom that isn't a snippet from something else is unreliable.
Replies: >>95898803
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:53:29 PM No.95898670
>>95898630
Youre right, it doesent necessitate the outcome. It doesent even have to be the specific assault the emperors onahole and the banana are talking about (why would they be talking about some no-name formation when theres primarchs and shit on the field, how would they even know the exact time given how warp travel works)
But the narrative language of the trailer says something on its own. It shows some salamanders get ambushed by/attack some iron warriors, and then at the finale when the forces close in on each other it cuts away to reveal that "the attack (offensive?)" has sadly lost.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:54:38 PM No.95898674
>>95898664
didn't implacable advance use to be scoring?
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:58:35 PM No.95898691
olAdmMaWZouV-jtfeHSpbNMJm7LTsDDInDLwztM9RtE (1)
olAdmMaWZouV-jtfeHSpbNMJm7LTsDDInDLwztM9RtE (1)
md5: 6f9dbbd9ba24578ff5ea17c038b22966๐Ÿ”
They replaced his Crusade Force Organization chart with 8th edition style detachments. He mad!!!
Replies: >>95898715 >>95898742 >>95898946
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 5:58:53 PM No.95898692
>>95898666
It's intentional; they trained with them under Horus. He even had them as part of his retinue until Corax came along and took them.
Replies: >>95898695
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:00:29 PM No.95898695
>>95898692
Yeah I'm aware, very cool bit of lore, the terran ravens were based.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:00:38 PM No.95898696
>>95898613
"Buy a kit with a suitable model and extras and just use those suitable models precisely as they are" isn't kitbashing, anon.
Replies: >>95898722 >>95898749
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:02:44 PM No.95898705
Post your models, post what you've been working on, post inspiration. I crave inspiration.
Replies: >>95898741
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:02:47 PM No.95898706
>>95897941 (OP)
>>MEGAs are down for the time being, going to wait for things to cooldown with the new edition and leaks before bringing them back up

Finally the bloat is gone.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:03:55 PM No.95898712
Why hasn't anyone shot up a GW establishment in retaliation for HH 3.0?
Replies: >>95898717 >>95898729
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:04:38 PM No.95898715
>>95898691
Niggas be mad cause low impulse control n sheeit
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:04:48 PM No.95898717
>>95898712
imagine the headlines
>autistic retard shoots up business for ruining his toy game
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:05:05 PM No.95898722
1750089993540747
1750089993540747
md5: db71771813af66cd7c72bbfe1e8a37c2๐Ÿ”
>>95898696
>Poach and kitbash
>Poach
Replies: >>95898732 >>95898743
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:06:24 PM No.95898729
>>95898712
In the country that needs permits for chef knives?
Replies: >>95898733 >>95898752
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:06:59 PM No.95898732
>>95898722
Which unit is that a kitbash for, anon?
You're going to give me some solid evidence, not just a theory, right?
Replies: >>95898756
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:07:23 PM No.95898733
>>95898729
Just do a stabbing then
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:08:17 PM No.95898740
>>95898626
Did you thin down the contrast paint or use it straight from the pot?
Replies: >>95898772
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:08:46 PM No.95898741
HeightComparison
HeightComparison
md5: 0c393669a8451f64cd91df38f0f46a1d๐Ÿ”
>>95898705
I'm working on TrueScale Terminators
Replies: >>95898765 >>95898800 >>95899098 >>95899177
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:08:51 PM No.95898742
>>95898691
This is nothing like 8th's detachments.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:09:03 PM No.95898743
y63mkc17hgt41
y63mkc17hgt41
md5: aed7fc4d2edd0f4acca8340a21faab06๐Ÿ”
>>95898722
Why do they look so shit? Shouldn't they look more like this?
Replies: >>95898761 >>95898783 >>95898899 >>95899121 >>95899323 >>95899559
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:10:03 PM No.95898749
Screenshot-2025-06-08-143113-1024x573
Screenshot-2025-06-08-143113-1024x573
md5: b2ab1e71e893a08c0a0734be83f1ecbc๐Ÿ”
>>95898696
What about taking the weapons from one kit and putting them on a different kit, that's pretty much the definition of a kit bashing no?
Replies: >>95898769 >>95898791 >>95898794 >>95898796
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:10:32 PM No.95898752
>>95898729
Yes lets disarm the law abiding citizens, what could go wrong. Surely that will destroy the criminals who also follow the law to the letter.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:10:43 PM No.95898756
>>95898732
>Official GW photos not good enough
You probably thought the Kratos leaks were a sicaran variant and denied the redone power armor marks that had photos of them in the rule book, didn't you?
Replies: >>95898771
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:11:46 PM No.95898761
>>95898743
Because modern GW sculptors are shit, anon. You should kill them in retaliation
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:12:06 PM No.95898765
>>95898741
why the fuck would a terminator be taller than a normal marine?
Replies: >>95898782 >>95898786 >>95898788 >>95898795 >>95898806 >>95898824
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:12:30 PM No.95898769
>>95898749
where are those rockets from?
Replies: >>95898774 >>95898785
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:12:53 PM No.95898771
>>95898756
Well, you can headcannon that's a saturnine command squad, but I can equally headcannon that it is, and has it's own kit with identical bits because that's how CAD copy and paste works. Neither of us have any evidence, and so the impasse remains.
Replies: >>95898791
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:12:56 PM No.95898772
>>95898740
Thinned for sure. I just wanted to saturate the red and deepen it a bit more. Too much this contrast will pool and coffee stain really easy.
Replies: >>95898823
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:13:02 PM No.95898774
PXL_20250608_151250409.MP_-1024x640
PXL_20250608_151250409.MP_-1024x640
md5: afe83afaf7131b58e00e98457721eea1๐Ÿ”
>>95898769
Tarantula
Replies: >>95898793
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:13:23 PM No.95898782
>>95898765
Do not engage with tr00nscalers, they are mentally ill.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:13:30 PM No.95898783
17502943710764
17502943710764
md5: 5ba441e1018d3d90d00e6705b5df443e๐Ÿ”
>>95898743
Replies: >>95899323
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:14:02 PM No.95898785
1744210621116
1744210621116
md5: 3fe6b42ea5ac9388773f0649f19b663e๐Ÿ”
>>95898769
Clearly the new Tarantula kit. People made photoshops of it the moment the kits were showcased.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:14:03 PM No.95898786
>>95898765
A bit taller due to thicker soles and/or armour going above the head, but not much.
It's why the complaints about termies being about as tall as marines never made sense.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:14:33 PM No.95898788
>>95898765
You're going to be raped for posting this, lorelet
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:15:04 PM No.95898791
>>95898771
This is hard evidence >>95898749. This is exactly how we say the new redone MKIII. New tarantula turret and rhino kit. There is zero(0) chance this doesn't get rules.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:15:21 PM No.95898793
>>95898774
Woah clever, Scorpius counts as?
Replies: >>95898809
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:15:23 PM No.95898794
>>95898749
IF we assume that is the tarantula turret put on a scorpius, then sure, but until I see the page telling you to kitbash, I find it easier to believe they just reuse the parts in a new kit, or that it's background art.
Replies: >>95898808
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:15:24 PM No.95898795
>>95898765
because the armor is bigger.
Replies: >>95898817
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:15:31 PM No.95898796
>>95898749
...Wait a minute are Searchlights still in the game? Maybe I'm coping and hallucinating but those last 3 options look like the standard HK Missile/Dozer Blade/Searchlights option
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:15:49 PM No.95898799
Statuses
Statuses
md5: d82068cdc6562aee1709caa95fb8f228๐Ÿ”
Has anybody noticed that all these status effects they are pushing only really come into play at the end of the turn?
Isn't that kinda shit?
You can't stop charges with them or prevent overwatch or return fire and no matter how many weapon you shoot them with it's only ever the 1 test...
At least for pinning that's a pretty big nerf
Replies: >>95898818 >>95898831 >>95898865
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:16:00 PM No.95898800
>>95898741
This is not inspirational
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:16:18 PM No.95898803
Screenshot_20250618_171552_Chrome
Screenshot_20250618_171552_Chrome
md5: bc1c6ddddfcc50d6f1de1869221b7b91๐Ÿ”
>>95898667
Lol
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:16:48 PM No.95898806
>>95898765
the armour is bigger so
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:16:51 PM No.95898808
>>95898794
Anon you can literally see the box telling you how to kitbash it a little further up the page at the edge of the screenshot. Don't be a child.
Replies: >>95898821
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:16:53 PM No.95898809
>>95898793
No it's a whirlwind.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:17:20 PM No.95898817
What do they mean by this
What do they mean by this
md5: 57add8a191bc6737e1eeae47cdab1666๐Ÿ”
>>95898795
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:17:29 PM No.95898818
>>95898799
They would probably slow things down too much if they came mid turn
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:17:48 PM No.95898821
>>95898808
Ah, how foolish of me to miss the bit you didn't post. I truly am unforgivable.
Replies: >>95898855
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:17:49 PM No.95898823
>>95898772
Thanks makes sense
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:18:25 PM No.95898824
>>95898765
>Why would a tau in a broadside be taller than a tau in a XV8 ?
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:19:02 PM No.95898831
>>95898799
The morale subphase isn't a phase in itself, it happens at the end of each phase. It's the same thing as the current test for 25% casualties at the end of each phase, just in a discrete step.
Replies: >>95898841 >>95898868
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:20:02 PM No.95898841
>>95898831
So it IS a nerf for pinning, since that was after each attack. Less predictable now, and not stackable. Pinning is also individually weaker, only doing a part of what it used to do.
Replies: >>95898856
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:21:20 PM No.95898855
Screenshot-2025-06-08-143113-1024x573
Screenshot-2025-06-08-143113-1024x573
md5: 60b2369aa13ed73b633bba66d3b04ef4๐Ÿ”
>>95898821
Replies: >>95898860 >>95898864
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:21:22 PM No.95898856
>>95898841
It was never stackable and always checked at the end of the shooting phase but only one check. People like to roll for it right away as to not forget if there aren't any shell shock weapons mixed in later.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:21:51 PM No.95898860
>>95898855
source on pic?
Replies: >>95898873
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:22:58 PM No.95898864
>>95898855
You're right, it does say tarantula.
And all the context for that is blurred to hell.
It might be a box telling you to kitbash, sure. But until I get something beyond bigfoot-level quality, I'm not taking your word for it.
Replies: >>95898879 >>95898891
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:23:07 PM No.95898865
>>95898799
>night battles is gone, night lords just slightly spooky
>shoot something with guns that do trash damage, but are slightly spooky
>tank returns fire totally unaffected and vaporizes half your unit
>at end of turn he takes a test, passes it
>next turn shoot something with guns that do trash damage, but are slightly spooky
>tank returns fire totally unaffected and vaporizes half your unit
>at end of turn he takes a test, fails it, places a token
>start of his turn, battlesmith passes a nerd test and removes the pinning
>tank vaporizes last of the night lords having never had its accuracy modified even once
Replies: >>95898964
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:23:32 PM No.95898868
>>95898831
Theres' nothing in the rules leaks saying the morale sub phase is at the end of every phase that I can see
Replies: >>95898896
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:24:25 PM No.95898873
>>95898860
From the stream, when they're talking about the the istvaan campaign book.
Replies: >>95898898
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:25:01 PM No.95898879
>>95898864
were you not taught critical thinking in school holy fucking shit
Replies: >>95898889
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:26:08 PM No.95898889
>>95898879
Stop engaging with him anon, he realized he was wrong either two posts into this argument or from the start and he's just dragging it out to stir shit.
Replies: >>95898907
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:26:42 PM No.95898891
>>95898864

There's the screenshot of the other unit that also says use the rapier crew box to represent them.

The expansion book has 3 new units so i'm guessing that's 2 of the 3 already.
Replies: >>95898907
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:27:10 PM No.95898896
>>95898868
No he went to School of Double Down Gish Gallop Goal Post Movers for Insufferable Fedora Tippers.
Replies: >>95898914
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:27:16 PM No.95898898
>>95898873
aiight ty
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:27:17 PM No.95898899
axANkdP2_700w_0
axANkdP2_700w_0
md5: 3a1ab3f1e19dcc5441179c6c9da65b64๐Ÿ”
>>95898743
17th legion is the best!
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:29:01 PM No.95898907
>>95898889
No, It's still possible the other anon is right, but I refuse to move from "It's possible" to "It's probable" with no proof. I have seen no convincing proof. Since it's unlikely to drop in the next hour, we'll have to agree to disagree for the time being.

>>95898891
As I mentioned earlier, that's taking part of a kit and using it as-is. I'd need to see it say specifically to put stuff together from different kits.
Replies: >>95898931
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:30:04 PM No.95898914
>>95898896
There's a difference between understanding a theory and agreeing with it. I don't agree, doesn't mean I don't understand.
Replies: >>95898931 >>95898933
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:32:51 PM No.95898930
>>95898354
Anon, you had the battery set to conversion mode, you need to flip it to W for Wumbo
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:32:55 PM No.95898931
>>95898914
>>95898907
Anon, I can understand a healthy amount of skepticism, but this much isn't healthy. I know trusting GW to not fuck things up is an arduous task even in the best of times, but I think kit bashing will be fine. It's been fine in other specialist games like necromunda and The Old World, and it'll probably continue to be fine here as well, given the massive amount of influence 3rd has taken from those games.
Replies: >>95898938
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:33:27 PM No.95898933
>>95898914
>Moves goal post
Like clockwork. Take the L, Anon.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:35:14 PM No.95898938
>>95898931
Oh, I don't doubt they'll allow kitbashing, I'm just skeptical they'll outright recommend it.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:37:06 PM No.95898946
>>95898691
>Square cranium evolved to absorb repeated blows from parents even in the womb.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:37:46 PM No.95898955
Is cybertheurgy a kind of psychic power? The lore bit for the saturnine terminators say there's rumours that they need a little bit of cybertheurgic resonance, but the lore bit for the dread says that like the terminators, there are rumours you need a little bit of psychic power. (Doubly referencing that regarding the TS buddy). Is that warcom fucking up, or is cybertheurgy just another branch of psychic power?
Replies: >>95898991 >>95899013
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:39:40 PM No.95898964
>>95898865
>Curze laughs and says you deserved it.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:39:49 PM No.95898965
>>95898167
Is he not turtley enough for the turtle club?
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:45:16 PM No.95898991
>>95898955
When in doubt, always assume WaCom fucked up. It's what they do.
Cybertheurgy is basically being a hacker; there's more to it, but it's a reasonable shorthand.
Replies: >>95898995 >>95899011 >>95899022
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:46:26 PM No.95898995
>>95898991
In which case, which one's the fuckup? Cybertheurgy makes more sense, 'cos machine, but then the TS dude's bit is just complete nonsense.
Replies: >>95899022
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:49:47 PM No.95899011
E4EA696E-5EFF-454F-99FB-999CE7D05861
E4EA696E-5EFF-454F-99FB-999CE7D05861
md5: 992f22eed434af4c330cb5afe2ffd654๐Ÿ”
>>95898991
Can I hack time?
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:50:17 PM No.95899013
>>95898955
There are psykers with an affinity for technology, who can do things like mend a broken machine with a mere touch. The lore about saturnine seems to hint at those using it possibly requiring at least some latent psychic talent in that direction to fully interface with the armour.
Replies: >>95899441
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:51:03 PM No.95899022
>>95898991
>>95898995
Worth mentioning that Machine Spirits are real and complex enough machines have apresence in the warp, so there's overlap between the disciplines
Replies: >>95899171 >>95899272
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 6:56:06 PM No.95899042
6a00d8341bfd2253ef01310f6d36a3970c
6a00d8341bfd2253ef01310f6d36a3970c
md5: 97a29f018c734458177f4eacb4f4ebf9๐Ÿ”
i have twenty two plus one (praetor) saturnines printed but i think i only want three squads of six for a total of eighteen (the third for appending from a sister company) and hope that there will be a command squad option to allocate the remainder to
centurions might be called for instead as well
just gonna sit patiently on the extras until the libers i think
absolutely love these guys
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:00:35 PM No.95899067
xr28xs5yb6a81 (1)
xr28xs5yb6a81 (1)
md5: 465e78a8cab7b1bd8bc28c069a50857d๐Ÿ”
The best thing about the new edition is that It'll finally allow me to field my dream custodes allied force of a shield captain, 20 sagittarum guard, and 5 aquilon terminators
Replies: >>95899150
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:07:34 PM No.95899098
>>95898741
3m *in armour* you dumb fuck. Guess what sort of rough height a regular-ass Marine would be once you factor in the bootie lifts and big cowl over the head on a Terminator...
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:11:42 PM No.95899121
>>95898743
Those would be the original Saturnine suits used briefly at the outset of the Great Crusade until they proved to be maintenance queens and got supplanted by Cataphractii. The plastic kits are for Vulkan's late-Crusade redesign of the core technologies into new units.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:15:49 PM No.95899150
>>95899067
Oh holy shit you're right. Finally my ridiculously autistic rework of the Custodes' internal structure can be represented on the tabletop. And if they nerf Adrathic like they did regular Disintegrators it won't even be a cheesebeard army I have to purposefully nerf in order to avoid being a cunt, woo.
Replies: >>95899222
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:19:05 PM No.95899171
>>95899022
God I hate that retcon. Machine spirits were supposed to be a combination of three tropes: normies lamenting the "magic smoke" escaped their (to them)black box tech, old people struggling to understand why they can't get the remotamaphone to tell the tellymajigger to record their stories, and blatant lies of convenience meant to knowing-winkingly conceal the fact there were still a few AIs around despite the dogma. Making the animist beliefs of the Mechanicus *literally true* is so fucking lowest-common-denominator dull and boring.
Replies: >>95899186 >>95899233
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:20:19 PM No.95899177
>>95898741
But terminators were always same size(eye level) as normal marines in power armour. It make sense because it's armour, meant to be worn over user's own body, terminators were just bulkier but not that much larger than power armour.
Saturnine is warsuit/battlesuit that was mislabeled for marketing purposes.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:21:51 PM No.95899186
>>95899171
>Making the animist beliefs of the Mechanicus *literally true* is so fucking lowest-common-denominator dull and boring.
They shouldn't have believed so hard and gave the machines souls inadvertently then.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:27:30 PM No.95899222
>>95899150
They already nerfed them anon. Adarthics are AP3 in 2.0, Disintegrators were the odd one out at AP2 for Marines.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:28:42 PM No.95899230
20250618_132622
20250618_132622
md5: 975dbb9a5772b48efd79717ae76fed17๐Ÿ”
Workan on my castigator's base
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:29:12 PM No.95899233
1685118847013726
1685118847013726
md5: bd5906e4c4f4a2825d6fde049823151c๐Ÿ”
>>95899171
>Making the animist beliefs of the Mechanicus *literally true*
except they are, in actuality, in many ways, if rendered through a distorted and demented lens, in certain angles of the cult
everything, even the apparently inanimate, is ensouled and conscious, and the cosmos at large is the very body of the omnissiah/God which exists for its children to learn and grow and frolic about in
i don't think you could much advance the notion of there not actually being a material universe whatsoever to a techpriest though
Replies: >>95901641
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:35:03 PM No.95899272
>>95899022
Machine spirit is just term for internal components that allowed equipment to function. It's just internal computer. Some are better like Land Raider or Drop Pod and some are worse like Leman Russ.
Land Raider's machine spirit can take controll of tank even with crew dead because it's physical component that is connected to vehicle's systems. It's fucking ball that's located behind sensor thingie above assault ramp. We even saw machine spirit modeled on chaos discolord, where chaos marine hardwired machine spirit to his daemon engine mount.
Machine spirit is not warp related, it's just machine's internal computer.
Replies: >>95900868 >>95900939
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:39:11 PM No.95899302
>>95898114
That porphyrion looks retarded, look at how weedy its little legs are and how small the armor plates are
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:40:29 PM No.95899314
>>95898289
Bigger legs, more equal proportions between above the waist and below the waist
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:41:52 PM No.95899323
imagen_2025-06-18_114141974
imagen_2025-06-18_114141974
md5: 9b3a6ed36d2d6ff236f7b23933f6c22f๐Ÿ”
>>95898743
>>95898783
I was going to say it looked better as a Terminator than as an Exosuit, but idk either is fine
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:43:16 PM No.95899329
1748312259344958
1748312259344958
md5: 713760fdf0e2ea9238300c51ba739c9a๐Ÿ”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnnIOJVmY4A
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:43:21 PM No.95899331
>>95898141
>cries in Asterius
I love the model, but I've fielded it maybe three times across both games and it's killed two fire warriors and a predator.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:44:59 PM No.95899339
>>95898308
Our only saving grace is if Titanic gets a bonus to hit against non Titanic and their base WS is only for fighting other Titanic. Otherwise contemptors will continue to parry them.
Replies: >>95899397
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:45:20 PM No.95899345
>>95898544
>As others said not natively, which is weird.
Why is that weird? Terminators can't teleport natively in 30k either, you need to take a RoW or have some gimmick like justaerin and Abaddon
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:51:28 PM No.95899397
>>95899339
Or if stomps are just blasts like 1st edition. AFAIK, the blast rule can work for melee attacks: place initial blast, make a hit test (using WS), On Hit it stays in place, on miss it scatters once, then all subsequent misses use the latter placement.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:53:26 PM No.95899417
06-thh_saturnine-boxout2-4ncxmpjiqu
06-thh_saturnine-boxout2-4ncxmpjiqu
md5: d9a4766d310c5c6fa601ad03e96e3e6a๐Ÿ”
>>95898421
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:54:44 PM No.95899425
>>95898600
>>95898602
The diorama GW made shows the centurion facing off with Vulkan. Either he killed the dread and went on to fight a primarch, or he took down a primarch and went on to fight a dread.
Either way, he's probably the baddest motherfucker in the whole Heresy.
Replies: >>95899431
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:55:32 PM No.95899431
>>95899425
Or Vulkan shows up and charges him
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:56:07 PM No.95899437
>>95899345
As >>95899345 points out, they have dedicated teleport tech built-in
Replies: >>95899452
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:56:41 PM No.95899441
>>95899013
Oh hell, Vulkan never fixed the armor, did he? It's still broken. He "fixed" it by plugging in marines that magically fix it. Salamanders are orks now.
Replies: >>95899455
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:58:48 PM No.95899452
>>95899437
So do other terminator suits, but they also require infrastructure to teleport out too
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:59:31 PM No.95899455
>>95899441
The armor wasn't broken, it was just comically expensive. But Salamanders are actually orks, or more accurately, their Loyalist Word Bearers.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:59:51 PM No.95899459
Good Iron Warriors
Good Iron Warriors
md5: fa8f10f1a3450787829484ab8e73c865๐Ÿ”
How do people achieve this brownish color to metallics like iron warriors and iron hands?
Replies: >>95899478 >>95899480 >>95899483 >>95899488 >>95899503 >>95899575 >>95899593 >>95899628
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:01:28 PM No.95899478
>>95899459
metallic paint and a brown wash I would guess
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:01:51 PM No.95899480
>>95899459
a dark/brown contrast/ink paint overtop of a base metallic fren, for one, maybe
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:02:07 PM No.95899483
>>95899459
Probably a brown wash or agrax
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:03:02 PM No.95899488
>>95899459
what the other anon's said but also I think the iron warrios base paint already looks a bit dirty.
Replies: >>95899504
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:05:02 PM No.95899503
>>95899459
>No.95
Prime brown then airbrush metalics over it and then wash brown
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:05:03 PM No.95899504
>>95899488
it maybe has the slightest smidge of inherent brown to it but it very much amounts to a dark gunmetal above all else and maybe warrants something atop to give it more hue
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:06:57 PM No.95899518
Dreadnoughts
Dreadnoughts
md5: 27fbf73c55ddbd755b5d024bf42760d4๐Ÿ”
How big is the 4th edition dreadnought going to be? I'm hoping it will at least be as big as knights so we have space marine knights.
Replies: >>95899529 >>95899566 >>95899611
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:08:35 PM No.95899529
>>95899518
Its going to be titan sized, have movement 3, one gun with a range of 18", and cost 500pts
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:12:53 PM No.95899559
yes sir
yes sir
md5: 680de6913b7bc648caf9e514544a65d7๐Ÿ”
>>95898743
I love that damn animation.
Sure it was not perfect but it nailed the atmosphere and feel.
Replies: >>95899640
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:13:26 PM No.95899566
>>95899518
At this point I would have to ask, what's the point of big dreadnoughts? Like Leviathan made sense as heaviest variant for dedicated siege roles, then they made saturnine even bigger, that use super rare and super expensive weapons, have super expensive systems and require psychic marine pilot, because each legion have multiple almost dead marines with psychic abilities...
At some point just take knights, there are more houses than there are marines and each serious house have 500 or more suits anyway, way more than legion will even have super specialised super big dreadnoughts.
Replies: >>95899579 >>95899608 >>95899625 >>95899693
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:14:42 PM No.95899575
>>95899459
Usually washes
here's a pretty good tutorial for IW
https://youtu.be/U9sOaPoLcAI?si=fQGQldkJMyAretwd
Replies: >>95899590
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:15:58 PM No.95899579
>>95899566
They think HH needs the same size creep and shiny new toys that 40k does to sell stuff.

Really all they need are infantry that you can swap torsos, shoulders, and heads with legion upgrades and are compatible with breacher, assault, and recon upgrades
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:16:09 PM No.95899582
>>95898474
I thought Saturnines having deepstrike was bad. Them NEEDING a Praetor to do so is even worse than I thought.
30k is now fully in the era of GW's Herohammer lists (bring more centurions to unlock Termies!!$!)
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:17:07 PM No.95899585
It would be nice if they made upgrade kits in plastic for hh desu
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:17:31 PM No.95899590
>>95899575
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E23gMIzXI7Y
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:18:50 PM No.95899593
BA
BA
md5: f301ab75e1835bb81ddc39c290d6ce15๐Ÿ”
>>95899459
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:21:12 PM No.95899608
>>95899566
>At this point I would have to ask, what's the point of big dreadnoughts?
Same as everything else: selling models. Jesus, do the autists around here actually think someone is thinking about valid military necessity when they make models or lore?
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:21:20 PM No.95899611
>>95899518
Truescale BoxDreads are 63MM high. Make that as you wish. You can resize the boxnough in your pic to a 63mm blue lines by clicking on the right markers.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:23:33 PM No.95899625
>>95899566
At this point, Saturnines as the leviathan-deredeo equivalent seems...fine
Replies: >>95899636
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:23:52 PM No.95899628
>>95899459
In GW pictures its usually agrax erathshade over leadbelcher with a stormhost silver highlight.
Replies: >>95899643
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:25:02 PM No.95899636
>>95899625
>leviathan-deredeo
>have gun that needs to be as close as possible to be effective
Replies: >>95899647 >>95899669
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:25:20 PM No.95899640
>>95899559
Didn't he stop because people were flinging nothing but shit at him over nonsense? Wild.
Replies: >>95899657 >>95899802
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:25:41 PM No.95899643
>>95899628
They also often use skrag or mournfang brown thinned down with water to do ghetto weathering around rivets etc.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:26:30 PM No.95899647
>>95899636
Deredeos are Siege dreads
Leviathans are Assault dreads
Guess that makes Contemptors as Tactical dreads, and Castraferrum as firstborn Legends dreads oof
Replies: >>95899691
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:27:30 PM No.95899657
>>95899640
From what I remember he stopped because he was single dude who was good at modeling not animating and doing long animation just overwhelmed him, he was doing models fine, but then animating it was too much.
Replies: >>95899802
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:29:20 PM No.95899669
>>95899636
Which is what gives it its niche (that and literally everything on it having overload)
It's going to be AP - in melee, so there's a risk element there as well since it wants to get close...but not too close
Replies: >>95899706
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:31:37 PM No.95899691
>>95899647
Castaferrum were mentioned as boarding and zone mortalis dreads, small enough to fit in corridors.
Also deredeo was fire support dread, Leviathan was siege one.
Replies: >>95899867
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:31:50 PM No.95899693
>>95899566
Big robot cool.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:32:31 PM No.95899700
1000007801
1000007801
md5: 10d6edc879ee5bf9342ee40aa39f1d5b๐Ÿ”
>>95898308
>>95898141
Full size porphyrion is the best and coolest knight
Replies: >>95899726 >>95899822
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:33:02 PM No.95899706
>>95899669
>every weapon has overload
"Who would win, one priceless saturnine suit or 200 kindergarteners"
The Kindergarteners win. Euphrati Keeler was right all along. "200 would do for you"
Replies: >>95899760
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:35:42 PM No.95899726
>>95899700
>haha naked boobs lol

Kys. Why are chaosfag so cringe ?
Replies: >>95899749 >>95899788 >>95899881
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:38:06 PM No.95899749
>>95899726
because they are horny
Replies: >>95899812
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:38:36 PM No.95899760
>>95899706
Apparently they have a way to mitigate their overload damage to themselves, at least partially
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:42:26 PM No.95899788
>>95899726
They is wholly integrated with their knight's machine spirit. I stand by my artistic choices.
Replies: >>95899881
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:43:53 PM No.95899802
>>95899640
>>95899657
Both.
If you get people shitting on something that took you Years to make can kill any motivation to continue.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:44:59 PM No.95899812
>>95899749
I only see two horns on that knight.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:45:32 PM No.95899822
Eh0zu7UWAAMzJ7t
Eh0zu7UWAAMzJ7t
md5: b8da6fbbc90062061649e87644afe207๐Ÿ”
>>95899700
Might as well get a titan at that point.
Replies: >>95899849 >>95899860 >>95899889 >>95901677
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:48:37 PM No.95899849
>>95899822
>beta pattern warlord head
Nice
Fuck Legio Mortis to
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:50:30 PM No.95899860
>>95899822
I want to get a reaver eventually, I just really like the porphyrion design.
Replies: >>95899898
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:51:33 PM No.95899867
imagen_2025-06-18_125131779
imagen_2025-06-18_125131779
md5: 8a959480295c90970ad29a2b2b75cd69๐Ÿ”
>>95899691
I'm trying to draw a distinction between the siege engines that sit in the back (e.g.: Trebuchet, Deredeo) and the ones that assault and storm the breach (e.g.: Battering ram, Leviathan)
Replies: >>95899918 >>95900037
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:53:43 PM No.95899881
>>95899726
>>haha naked boobs lol
Based?


>>95899788
Good, looks sick.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:54:44 PM No.95899889
>>95899822
Knights ARE titans? So yea, of course a big knight and a small titan have overlap.
Replies: >>95899901 >>95899903
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:56:15 PM No.95899898
knight-castellan-quake
knight-castellan-quake
md5: e3461c53dcd1781b00b496aaec3ae5d6๐Ÿ”
>>95899860
I do too, they're just too big. If they were the original size with some bulk, they'd be like the old Castellans.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:57:01 PM No.95899901
1749855338124874
1749855338124874
md5: 4ad3be482bc0c4d3859e8b70c0e6ae8b๐Ÿ”
>>95899889
if you want your mind blown look at the waist of a warlord and then the questoris knight

titans are ostensibly just upscaled and modified knight STCs initially made for waging war over the wastes of mars against the cy-carnivoran ecology during an earlier epoch
i reckon that warhounds are probably what was made of armigers
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:57:08 PM No.95899902
20250616_142740
20250616_142740
md5: 3e13662276b15276e2fa35190d6d01b7๐Ÿ”
>>95898347
Hmmm
Applied opaque grey as a starting point for white, so that it covers better
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:57:28 PM No.95899903
>>95899889
>Knights ARE titans?
Are you asking me? Because the answer is "no".
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:59:41 PM No.95899918
>>95899867
Do deredeos qualify for that? They have aiolos launchers, sure, but their main guns are mid range direct fire, not long range indirect like a trebuchet or catapult. I think they're better described as specialist fire support - they'd take an elevated position and lay down anti-infantry fire or act as a mobile anti-aircraft platform
Replies: >>95900133
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:10:54 PM No.95899972
>>95897941 (OP)
How are those shoulder pads painted, they're the sickest thing I've seen in a long time
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:13:25 PM No.95899992
I have a conspiracy
What if,the reason why Martian Civil war book sucked ass and had pretty much nothing for mechanicum except that variant of a Krios, is because they're saving the new stuff for 3.0?
Replies: >>95900004 >>95900013 >>95900020 >>95900429
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:13:47 PM No.95899995
circle
circle
md5: 6df2794896ca47e679341d8a67947e7a๐Ÿ”
Do you guys think it's worth the effort to get Circle Edition going at my LGS or am I going to have to sell my soul to Games Workslop to get a game in when 3e is released?
Replies: >>95900018 >>95900019 >>95900397
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:15:08 PM No.95900004
>>95899992
I doubt it.
Most likely the reason is the team assigned to do that book was shortstaffed and had no time to produce it.
Replies: >>95900032
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:16:18 PM No.95900013
>>95899992
>7 away from a quint
Fuuuuuuuuu
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:17:10 PM No.95900018
>>95899995
super 'tism doesn't actually produce useful, fun, good rulesets, despite the contrary belief of the super 'tists.

Also, every super 'tist is a fucking ticking time bomb until they inevitably have a terminal sperg-out and start DMCAing everyone and threatening to sue and bullshit like that.

It always happens, every single time, mark my words.
Replies: >>95900029
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:17:19 PM No.95900019
>>95899995
I mean, doesn't that entirely depend on the people you're playing with?
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:17:45 PM No.95900020
>>95899992
You're preparing yourself for disappointment anon. The best you can hope for is that the MCW stuff makes it into the main book and this time 90% of the dark mech Arcana aren't hot dogshit. But I wouldn't get your hopes up, given that Automata can't even score objectives and all the multi D weapons, looks like playing mechanicum will be a humiliation ritual this edition.
Replies: >>95900032 >>95900046
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:19:29 PM No.95900029
>>95900018
So you'd rather trust Goy's Workslop and their turd edition than someone who's universally recognized as an expert in Heresy?
Replies: >>95900042 >>95900051 >>95900053 >>95900056 >>95900063 >>95900083 >>95900187 >>95900235
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:19:36 PM No.95900032
>>95900004
>>95900020
Let me dream, alright
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:20:15 PM No.95900037
>>95899867
Deredeo is just heavy support/devastator squad of dreadnought, all it's weapons are same range as lascannon, so it operates still in infantry weapon range. Also deredeo's weapon's aren't good for sieges, it's build for field battle in support of infantry, autocannons, lascannons and volkite, it either chew infantry or vehicles, but nothing to go against fortifications.
Leviathan on other hand is dedicated siege engine, in 1.0 was called siege dreadnought, it's as main weapon it's armed with combination of siege drills or siege claws with built in meltaguns to melt walls, very big fucking melta to melt bunker wall, short range autocannon that shreds infantry or big grav cannon that ignores covers and collapse buildings. In addition it also have close range weapons to clear enemy infantry and besides that it can have phosphex that is either used by war crime destroyer corps or by siege breakers.
Deredeo can't do much against fortifications, Leviathan is design build to fuck up fortifications by either drilling the walls and killing everyone inside, blasting leviathan sized hole in wall with melta, or simply collapsing building with graviton explosion.
Replies: >>95900133
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:20:36 PM No.95900042
>>95900029
>Universally recognized as an expert in Heresy
Who?
Replies: >>95900283 >>95900824
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:21:38 PM No.95900046
>>95900020
Also the dark mech stuff was pointless as mechanicum roster simply doesn't have enough variety.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:22:19 PM No.95900051
>>95900029
expert whinger more like
Replies: >>95900091
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:22:32 PM No.95900053
>>95900029
I don't how know you can call Outer Circle an 'expert'. Maybe an expert at rivet counting, being bitter about every little thing and having legion bias.
Replies: >>95900091
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:23:00 PM No.95900056
>>95900029
Alright, you pushed it too far, now the trolling isn't believable.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:23:52 PM No.95900063
>>95900029
Complaining about something non-stop for youtube money doesn't make you in expert in that thing
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:28:15 PM No.95900083
>>95900029
how can you be an expert in a product you don't even have any input to

like they can literally change what the product is and all you can do is complain and write fanfic about it

how is that expertise just because you've found a way to monetize tumblrism
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:29:07 PM No.95900091
>>95900053
>>95900051
So he's a "whiner" because he calls out the bullshit that the retards on the "Heresy team" keep coming with?
At least he's trying to fix the game unlike other youtubers
Replies: >>95900157
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:29:20 PM No.95900092
Would you roll the young lady down to the juicing room at once, please
the intrusive thoughts are winning again
Replies: >>95900122 >>95900148
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:33:53 PM No.95900122
1748119370178076
1748119370178076
md5: 7c797dcd0bacdfe5173167f0f3babe3c๐Ÿ”
>>95900092
they did for me
four squads of six! the last two are being proonted out right now
the deciding factor?
twenty four of them would look all the more crazy in full assembly than a mere eighteen
half of all of them are going to be appended squads to the echelon's 'first' company though from sister formations, six and six on the full twelve of the main group i'm working on
Replies: >>95900148
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:35:10 PM No.95900133
>>95900037
>>95899918
Aiolos missiles don't need LoS, and Hellfire plasma has a blast profile. Deredeos may be heavy support, but they do stride the line between gunboat and artillery.
I say they count as Catapults at the very least
>Leviathans were called "siege"
I'm saying that is not what a siege is. A siege is to encircle a place and WAIT them out. A hostage situation would be a siege.
Actually going in would be breaching. Leviathans don't sit around. They go in and make others find out.
Replies: >>95900279 >>95900408 >>95900458
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:36:34 PM No.95900142
Are there 3 nipple weapons but they are only mentioning two or am I seeing non existing things?
Replies: >>95900296
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:36:55 PM No.95900147
saturnine fix attempt
saturnine fix attempt
md5: 09cfea116febccc5e83fdd58b7023775๐Ÿ”
I don't like the saturnine dread design, and I don't think it's fixable, but I can't help but think if it looked just a little bit more like the leviathan then maybe....?
Replies: >>95900284 >>95900304
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:37:16 PM No.95900148
>>95900092
>>95900122
I've wanted them for quite awhile for their derpy design, glad they're in. A shame they don't have overhead guns like in that one salamander art.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:37:51 PM No.95900157
>>95900091
Calling out bad decisions by GW and actually having good ideas about game design are two separate skill sets. One does not inform the other.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:41:35 PM No.95900180
IMG_3902
IMG_3902
md5: 793dde443a5b3a055c9761b30fe961df๐Ÿ”
Talk me out of (or into) painting my guys as Sons of Horus
Replies: >>95900193 >>95900216 >>95900264
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:42:40 PM No.95900187
>>95900029
back to your youtube hugbox filthy convict
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:43:04 PM No.95900193
1748563771005957
1748563771005957
md5: cd9c7acbd0d317291f35f49a9b558738๐Ÿ”
>>95900180
just find a dank shade of deep, passionate sea-green and go nuts mang they're one of the coolest legions far and away
Replies: >>95900315
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:43:52 PM No.95900199
Reminder of the rules quality you can expect from Circle Heresy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkCOhUuFi7E
>FNP 3+ Battle Hardened Iron Hands tacticals with an Apothecary
Replies: >>95900213 >>95900272
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:45:59 PM No.95900213
>>95900199
Yeah, quite a few 3+ invuln saves which is insane and should never be advocated for.
Replies: >>95900272
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:46:19 PM No.95900216
>>95900180
Do you have what it takes to convert and paint every single marine as if they were a character while still retaining a cohesive aesthetic? If not, look elsewhere
Replies: >>95900315 >>95900347
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:49:35 PM No.95900235
1750094125089659
1750094125089659
md5: 09962365a76e90da66829bb79eca36fd๐Ÿ”
>>95900029
>who's universally recognized as an expert in Heresy
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:53:53 PM No.95900264
>>95900180
topknots are the worst thing that ever happened to space marines, worse than the heresy
Replies: >>95900315 >>95900366
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:54:26 PM No.95900272
>>95900199
>>95900213
>competitive player hates when rules are lore accurate
you two go back to 40k
Replies: >>95900289 >>95900357
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:55:14 PM No.95900279
>>95900133
Deredeos are no more siege than plasma cannon/missile launcher heavy support squad. Out of all their equipment only 1 configuration have blast gun(S7 in 1.0 lol and S8 in 2.0) and non los weapon that have no blast. They are meant for battlefield fire support depending on configuration to shread infantry or vehicles not to engage enemy in fortifications.
Also marine version of siege mean encirclement for total of 5 minutes and then creation of breach and assault, because marines are inpatient and hate waiting when they could be killing enemies of Emperor. Army/guard can dig holes and shoot enemy position with artllery for week, marines just assault position by drop pods, drills or just armoured assault. There is exeption of Iron Warriors who think they are imperial guard digging trenches, but that's iron retards being iron retards.
Replies: >>95900451
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:55:38 PM No.95900283
>>95900042
Same reaction. I googled them and they are a YouTuber I've never heard of before seeing them off hand mentioned in these threads. I thought it was some event host like SN and No Retreat so I ignored them. As much as I personally like the idea of going back to 1.0, my group is probably going to play the equivalent of 3.0(-0.5) if that makes sense. Port over some first and second edition rules. Namely 1.0 deepstrike with charges if melee is truly dead.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:55:39 PM No.95900284
>>95900147
It's a bootleg leviathan.
If it looked any more like a leviathan it'd just be a leviathan
Replies: >>95900299
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:56:21 PM No.95900289
>>95900272
>wants gay WAAC rules so their 10 man termies deathstar can wreck the entire table while taking a single wound
unfun bullshit is competitive, anon
Replies: >>95900363
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:56:42 PM No.95900296
>>95900142
Idk what they are mentioning but there's clearly shredders, disintegrators and some other square looking weapon on the pics
Replies: >>95900378
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:56:54 PM No.95900299
>>95900284
>It's a bootleg Telemon.
FTFY
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:57:08 PM No.95900304
>>95900147
Why did you removed leg vents?
You just ruined it more!!!
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 9:58:38 PM No.95900315
>>95900193
They really are fucking rad
>>95900216
I was already building them that way lol
>>95900264
I beg to differ, anon
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:01:48 PM No.95900347
infantry_full
infantry_full
md5: 9976ccdd94961ae56aeed42cfaac1414๐Ÿ”
>>95900216
Man, did you really have to call me out like that?
Replies: >>95901283
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:02:53 PM No.95900357
>>95900272
>iron hands rules
>not a single rule relating to vehicles
Nah ill stick with 3.0, thanks but no thanks macca
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:03:10 PM No.95900363
>>95900289
>doesn't want lore accurate legions because it would be "too hard"
>calls others WAAC
Sure mate
Replies: >>95900373
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:03:25 PM No.95900366
>>95900264
That's why they lost.
Replies: >>95900484
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:04:15 PM No.95900373
>>95900363
>lore accurate
sorry, my bad for falling for this bait, here's your last (you)
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:04:36 PM No.95900378
>>95900296
In the lore article they said ''These primary weapon mounts were combined with point-defence weapons, such as photonic incinerators or concussive resonators โ€“ all quite potent in their own right, making the Saturnine Dreadnought a terrifying prospect to engage in a short-ranged firefight.''
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:07:07 PM No.95900397
>>95899995
Judging by the 3D model slop he's grifting as "lore accurate models"... No.
Replies: >>95900690
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:07:42 PM No.95900408
>>95900133
I mentioned the aiolos, it's an exception and it's "guided fire", which would be low volume precision indirect, not your typical siege armament. If anything a deredeo is a siege *defense* platform, like a defensive gun emplacement that's not permanent
Replies: >>95900485
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:10:42 PM No.95900429
>>95899992
The supplements were basically all dogshit. The entirety of 2.0 the only person I played with who used any of them was a mechanicum player using a decimator.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:13:16 PM No.95900451
Perty quote
Perty quote
md5: 5fcb0eb70737689aadc4cf4c7084c1fc๐Ÿ”
>>95900279
>Anon thinks IW siegecraft begins and ends with artillery
Lmao. Top kek. Moderately sized Haha. Also marines aren't besiegers indeed. They are Breachers and Siege Breakers.
Replies: >>95900500
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:13:33 PM No.95900458
>>95900133
>A siege is to encircle a place and WAIT them out. A hostage situation would be a siege.
>Actually going in would be breaching
Semantics. It's for activley destroying fortifications, a task that has existed ever since fortifications were invented in 3000BCE by Arkland Forti.
Replies: >>95900485
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:17:26 PM No.95900484
broomhead
broomhead
md5: 3e938594f4471a94149038e400b5dda9๐Ÿ”
>>95900366
imagine cutting a hole in your armor ruining its defenses entirely just for a hairdo that would constantly get shot off and shredded by AOE blasts going off and set on fire. And you'd need servants to waste their time trimming your hair so it doesnt get long and fall down into your shoulder joint mid-fight getting you distracted and slain
And hair doesnt naturally stick straight up so they have to lube it between every single action. Oh, and it entirely ruins the ability to stealthily hug a barricade and shoot over it without giving away your position. And enemy bolter and autocannon shots would constantly be hitting the stupid ceramite hair-cone knocking his head back throwing off his aim and distracting him mid-fight. And the biological hair and hole in the helmet makes it impossible for the space marine to have any meaningful NBC protection, so any nearby deathguard plagues and suddenly his hair melts away and the turbo-farts go down into his helmet and eliminate the skank of horus trooper.

And no it's not just an accessory on the helmet, the abadderps have it even with the helmet off.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:17:41 PM No.95900485
imagen_2025-06-18_141739532
imagen_2025-06-18_141739532
md5: b214832e0573cf70dab33933337d9f8d๐Ÿ”
>>95900458
>Arkland Forti.
Lmao
>Semantics
Pretty much yeah. Nothing brings forts down like Leviathans and now Saturnine dread battering rams
>>95900408
>If anything a deredeo is a siege *defense* platform
So it turns out they are Scorpios and Ballistae then :O
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:19:38 PM No.95900500
>>95900451
>quote
It's just Pert being full of shit as always. Same as with "I only ever wanted to build castles" or "I don't need recognition", while we both know he didn't care about building castles, unless it was castle Dorn was building and above all he desired recognition and praise while pretending to be stoic(like Dorn, I see some pattern here) who don't care about recognition.
If he trully meant pic related then he would create dedicated breacher unit instead of very shooty terminators and heavy support squad with better autocannons, but as always Pert was lying and believed that siege is all about artillery.
Replies: >>95900597
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:35:25 PM No.95900597
REMEMBRANCER_001
REMEMBRANCER_001
md5: c21936692a9970ac156393115bbaba62๐Ÿ”
>>95900500
>If he trully meant pic related then he would create dedicated breacher unit
Terminators are, by definition, breaching units. They storm breaches
>Then why missile launcher?
They were heavy enough to fire heavy weapons on the move, and hardy enough to survive the zones mortalis of the breach
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:37:03 PM No.95900606
Hope Word Bearers get a cool terminator unit.
Replies: >>95900626 >>95900651
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:40:21 PM No.95900626
>>95900606
They won't. You'll be lucky to keep warpfire plasma or Tainted weapons.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:44:28 PM No.95900651
imagen_2025-06-18_144416825
imagen_2025-06-18_144416825
md5: 665d3e5c69d43ab1a635384c5cdc163f๐Ÿ”
>>95900606
You'll never get Annointed, because nothing looks cooler than tusky chaos termies, but GW won't let you use the same minis for both 30k and 40k.
That's why there's no Skitarii here
Replies: >>95900916
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:48:57 PM No.95900690
>>95900397
Right
And I bet if I go look at your 4chan account I'll find better sculpted models
Because you're an expert on lore right?
Replies: >>95900707 >>95900723 >>95900760 >>95900787 >>95900849 >>95900889
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:50:56 PM No.95900707
>>95900690
holy fuck, Circle, get off the thread
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:54:05 PM No.95900723
T
T
md5: 21baceba23696f0729055b4595f2007c๐Ÿ”
>>95900690
>4chan account
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 10:58:13 PM No.95900760
>>95900690
Don't need to be a master chef to recognise a dog turd on a plate.
If all you can muster is a personal you already lost.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:01:01 PM No.95900787
>>95900690
I don't try to make money off of any of this, nor do I put my name on a rule set that I then try to shill inorganically on anonymous imageboards.

So that fundamentally changes my relationship with the hobby and what I can be judged for
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:06:35 PM No.95900824
>>95900042
Evil Valrak.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:09:37 PM No.95900846
TOC's boxnaughts are maybe a few hairs simple and novel but i'm very convinced they could be made to look just incredible with a very, very, very doting bit of modelling and painting
same could be said about pretty much the rest of his stuff too, it's all on the mark sufficiently that it could absolutely be made to work wonderfully with.... effort
Replies: >>95900861 >>95901980
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:09:47 PM No.95900849
you
you
md5: a3bcab5e0ea6fef958d5722da021aeb2๐Ÿ”
>>95900690
>4chan account
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:11:15 PM No.95900861
>>95900846
Buy an ad.
Replies: >>95900895
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:12:20 PM No.95900868
>>95899272
Yes, and DAoT vomputers got so advanced that some of them have a warp presence, like the Votann or the Ark Mechanicus AIs. Also the men of Iron that got corrupted by chaos
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:15:03 PM No.95900889
>>95900690
Go back to r*ddit you foul vermin
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:15:37 PM No.95900895
>>95900861
not exactly being very flattering in my wording and i don't like literally who y*utubers on principle
mechanid is <3 tho
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:18:42 PM No.95900916
image-34
image-34
md5: 6c3da6d968a3814e9fbb628be69454d1๐Ÿ”
>>95900651
But we already got a teaser for 30k skitarii
Replies: >>95900928 >>95900931 >>95900952 >>95900973 >>95901025 >>95901049 >>95901051 >>95901068
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:20:37 PM No.95900928
titanicus skit
titanicus skit
md5: f5302d26c3a26e7afb46ee6880400f7d๐Ÿ”
>>95900916
those look frankly amazing if in glimpses
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:21:02 PM No.95900931
>>95900916
So hyped for this, the lack of skitarii was the only thing that made me stop getting at least an allied detachment of mechanicum. I like the weird esoteric tanks and cyborg infantry aspect waaaaay more than the dull and boring big stompy robots that 30k mech has been so far.
Replies: >>95900957
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:21:58 PM No.95900939
>>95899272
This is only partially true, since all computational equipment in the Mechanicum is required to have an organic component in order to obey the animus silica ban. You can't have self-directing, purely electronic computers.
There has to be a bit of a squishy brain in there somewhere, which happens to give it the smallest amount of warp presence depending on the item in question.

Even in 30k, things like the Paragons of Metal are automata that have gained a certain amount of sentience because of that.

For simple equipment that has no self-guidance, it's almost certainly just electronic nonsense coded to function via Mechanicum prayers. For bigger things, Land Raider included (That black ball is a brain in a case), it's a partial cyborg.
Replies: >>95905933
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:23:12 PM No.95900952
>>95900916
Finally

It was always kind of weird how the cybernetica and ordo reductor are described as these very small, very mistrusted subsects that were always peripheral to everything else...and then they ended up being the only representations of the Mechanicum in 30k besides knights and titans.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:24:14 PM No.95900957
thallax
thallax
md5: eac9de3fce742d20802198731ade569b๐Ÿ”
>>95900931
>I like the weird esoteric tanks and cyborg infantry aspect waaaaay more than the dull and boring big stompy robots that 30k mech has been so far.
But that's what thallax are (and why I picked up mechanicum at all too)
Replies: >>95900971 >>95901581
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:26:31 PM No.95900970
file
file
md5: e98e06bca17854791b634a3548776103๐Ÿ”
Are these silver things supposed to be tail-lights?
Replies: >>95901003 >>95901008 >>95901084
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:26:32 PM No.95900971
>>95900957
Nah thallax are only a head and spine inserted into a robot body, not proper old skool cyborgs. Also the models are too large to my liking.
Replies: >>95901024 >>95901056
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:26:40 PM No.95900973
>>95900916
I think it would be neat if the gun was fused to their arm to some extent.
Replies: >>95900985
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:28:10 PM No.95900985
>>95900973
then it's a servitor
Replies: >>95900999 >>95901009 >>95901020
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:29:51 PM No.95900999
>>95900985
Are thallax servitors?
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:30:42 PM No.95901003
>>95900970
Just some random details to make the rear plate less plain probably.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:31:29 PM No.95901008
>>95900970
Brake lights. Dont want to have a pile up in a squadron.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:31:31 PM No.95901009
>>95900985
Your mum is a servitor
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:32:56 PM No.95901020
skitarii-blanche
skitarii-blanche
md5: 808ce11c9e5193fdeaef775247a04fd7๐Ÿ”
>>95900985
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:33:41 PM No.95901024
>>95900971
There's not really much more left of skitarii, in fact that's why the black books say skitarii are preferred volunteers for thallax because they're already mostly robot and have the will to survive the transformation. Being based on Robocop 2, they're as old school of cyborg as you can get.

>Also the models are too large to my liking.
They're not really taller than the nuscale Mk3/Mk6, they're just really fiddly and complicated.
Replies: >>95901033 >>95901154
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:33:54 PM No.95901025
imagen_2025-06-18_153256164
imagen_2025-06-18_153256164
md5: a07e24fb7afc57ff026378db56d09b5d๐Ÿ”
>>95900916
Hopefully those are proper Mechanicum skitarii, and not some similar skitonoids armed with galvanit repeaters and polonium carbines and stuff.
Actual fucking Skitarii.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:34:58 PM No.95901033
>>95901024
>They're not really taller than the nuscale Mk3/Mk6
Guess what my opinion is of the nu-Mk's.
And thallax are still twice as wide.
Replies: >>95901042
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:36:47 PM No.95901042
>>95901033
So how aren't skitarii too tall if they're taller than old Mks
Replies: >>95901054
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:38:00 PM No.95901049
>>95900916
I hate it, looks like a Tusken raider
Replies: >>95901063
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:38:05 PM No.95901051
>>95900916
It won't be skitarii, it will be some tech-priest or some special assassin cyborg that is not skitarii.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:38:21 PM No.95901054
>>95901042
How do you know, have you seen the new 30k skitarii models next to the new marines? Post pics please.
Replies: >>95901064
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:38:42 PM No.95901056
imagen_2025-06-18_153837213
imagen_2025-06-18_153837213
md5: 37220400b8234f70767ec1fd5d80732e๐Ÿ”
>>95900971
>not proper old skool cyborgs.
They are cyborgs of the most proper school there can be. Just what passes for cyborgs among your misbegotten kind, then? :^)
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:39:51 PM No.95901063
>>95901049
bro you paint the cloak like an animal pelt
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:39:58 PM No.95901064
tech thralls
tech thralls
md5: 3e6ee210a1a7921a8abaef361056ee05๐Ÿ”
>>95901054
Do you think they're going to be smaller than tech-thralls, who are taller than old marines
Replies: >>95901118 >>95901122 >>95901126 >>95901128
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:40:21 PM No.95901068
>>95900916
>skitarii are gonna get a second kit before Secutarii get one plastic kit
Go fuck yourself, James, you stupid fuckup. You complete failure. You ignorant oaf incapable of observing yourself.
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:42:29 PM No.95901084
>>95900970
Looks like an outlet to me
Replies: >>95901138
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:46:02 PM No.95901118
>>95901064
And these tech Thralls are smaller than the old tech Thralls
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:46:31 PM No.95901122
>>95901064
Haven't seen those models in real life yet, post some next to a marine.

And why do you sound this angry about me not liking how large the thallax models are, jeez.
Replies: >>95901136
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:47:41 PM No.95901126
>>95901064
I Wish they didn't give tech thralls that zombie gait,I think the drone like lockstep fits them far more,as they not lobotomised, they're just overriden
Replies: >>95901143
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:47:46 PM No.95901128
>>95901064
What the fuck is it with nusculpts and having the knees pointing inward?
Did they hire someone that made anime figurine before or what?
They started this shit with 40k aggressors and they still haven't gotten over it
Replies: >>95901143
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:48:25 PM No.95901136
>>95901122
>Haven't seen those models in real life yet
This is more what I'm getting at, that most people complaining about marines not being tiny are usually no-games who have no clue what they're talking about and are the /tg/ equivalent of /mu/ math rock hipsters who don't actually listen to music
Replies: >>95901250
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:48:54 PM No.95901138
>>95901084
I don't think the kratos is a hybrid
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:49:25 PM No.95901143
>>95901128
Because they're zombies

>>95901126
Rite of pure thought is just built in now
Replies: >>95901156
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:50:50 PM No.95901154
imagen_2025-06-18_155048371
imagen_2025-06-18_155048371
md5: e66c4ace79884dadfb558ba337b4157d๐Ÿ”
>>95901024
>There's not really much more left of skitarii
Their codex says it varies from individual to individual. Which is dumb, to be honest. Logistics would be horrendous if one Skitarius couldn't be used as spare parts for the next one.
It would make more sense if it varied on a forgeworld basis - one forgeworld adding brain circuitry for direct control, but going with simple peritoneal-diffussion tank lungs because they aren't politically influent enough to pry the secrets of 2-way cyber-alveoli from the next forgeworld over.

Wounded, specially willfull skitarii get converted into Thallax. The other, more successful ones eventually pass the Crux Mechanicum (more machine than man) and attain stalkerhood, like Ruststalkers and Infiltrators.
Though if they aren't particularly bright, they become Pteraxii instead
Replies: >>95901187 >>95901239 >>95901427
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:51:09 PM No.95901156
>>95901143
They are not zombies, they're still people,all Mechanicum did was put rudimentary implants on them to remote control them
Replies: >>95901168
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:52:45 PM No.95901168
imagen_2025-06-18_155241349
imagen_2025-06-18_155241349
md5: 16608a6faef1c92c2e15f0260e0a73e4๐Ÿ”
>>95901156
>They are not zombies, they're still people,all Haitians did was put rudimentary plants on them to control them
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 11:56:51 PM No.95901187
>>95901154
Can Skitarii become techpriests?
Replies: >>95901228 >>95901382 >>95901427
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:01:00 AM No.95901228
>>95901187
why, they are tools
Replies: >>95901427
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:02:11 AM No.95901239
>>95901154
>Their codex says it varies from individual to individual.
I think it's also across groups. One magos might prefer full limb replacement, another might do the minimum to preserve function. And within those, if needs must, you can vary. Assumedly, the Skitarii parts are somewhat reusable - dude with only his feet replaced probably has feet that fit the full leg replacement dudes - or they have enough techpriests to just graft things as needed.
Replies: >>95901285
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:04:10 AM No.95901250
>>95901136
I don't understand your post at all. My issue with thallax models being too large has nothing to do with the size of old marines. I just don't like how scale creep is removing the miniature from miniature wargaming.
Replies: >>95901327 >>95901350
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:08:41 AM No.95901283
>>95900347
Those look pretty neat
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:09:11 AM No.95901285
>>95901239
Yeah, they probablt get all the fresh initiates to do menial work like lobotomizing servitors, attaching cyborg limbs to skitarii, etc
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:15:21 AM No.95901327
>>95901250
I don't like scale creep either, but I don't think thallax have ever suffered from this?

The plastic models are the same size as the fw ones, which were released with the fw marines.

They were ALWAYS meant to be bigger than marines, fw even talked about it as a specific design choice.
Replies: >>95901366
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:18:49 AM No.95901350
>>95901250
Anon it's supposed to be a giant robot soldier. It has T5 and multiple wounds
You don't complain because a sherman is bigger than a jeep in historical miniature games, do you?
Replies: >>95901366
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:20:56 AM No.95901366
>>95901327
>>95901350
Why are you all so offended I just don't like thallax, fucking hell.
Replies: >>95901380 >>95901397
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:21:42 AM No.95901370
Tac Blobs with a Centurion and an Apothecary will be hell. There is nothing that can actually hurt them for their points. The Cent can tank all the ap3 and above and the tacs can eat the ap2 and maybe FnP it. Prepare yourselves.

>Can Choom save us?
Replies: >>95901377 >>95901400
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:22:59 AM No.95901377
>>95901370
Character wound allocation rule is gone, so once the centurion starts tanking AP 3 hits he will also have to eat the AP 2 hits that come after.
Replies: >>95901421
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:23:33 AM No.95901380
>>95901366
If you don't like Thallax just say so. Why bring scale creep into it when they've never been a different size?
Replies: >>95901406
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:23:54 AM No.95901382
imagen_2025-06-18_162351797
imagen_2025-06-18_162351797
md5: fd6daaf198c0111a7bf1f1abbba856da๐Ÿ”
>>95901187
Depends on the forgeworld. Who gets to become a techpriest at all? Whoever their senior techpriests wish, that's who.
>If
Skitarius() belongs to a forgeworld that isn't wasteful = True;
>if
Skitarius() is_smart = True;
>and if
Skitarius() gets along with the Machine_Spirit = True;
>then if
A fully ordained Techpriest might induct them into the basic mysteries as their Auxilia, to be their frontline aides, oversee Servitors and such.
>end if;
>end if;
>end if;
>end if;
>End

At least that's how /my dudes/ did it. Even their Lexmechanicum are required to have served at least one tour in the Skitariat. Whoever cannot defend the Machina Opus by their own will is no better than a servitor that has to be goaded to it.

What would your guys do?
Replies: >>95901827
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:25:13 AM No.95901397
>>95901366
Because you're making things up that simply aren't true.

If you just don't like the look of them, just say that you fuckwit.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:25:23 AM No.95901400
>>95901370
>There is nothing that can actually hurt them for their points
Takes a lot of confidence to say this without knowing what an apothecary does or even the points of tacticals
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:25:54 AM No.95901406
imagen_2025-06-18_162551503
imagen_2025-06-18_162551503
md5: 7ab9d0bcf89c909aa96afa0a3e2dbc49๐Ÿ”
>>95901380
>Thallax can't size creep you if you don't consent
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:26:56 AM No.95901421
>>95901377
Don't they just need to survive the current AP3 strike group, then you can allocate new incoming AP2 wounds whenever you want? Also
>the AP2 hits that come after
Not from plasma in 3.0 oof
Replies: >>95901435 >>95901445
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:27:39 AM No.95901427
>>95901154
>Which is dumb, to be honest. Logistics would be horrendous if one Skitarius couldn't be used as spare parts for the next one.
Mechanicus is based on feudal hierarchy, logistics aren't the problem because cohort is magos personal army, so he is responsible for maintaining them, also he can just make wrong spare part fit because he have plasma cutter and arc welder.
Mechanicus is super divided single forge world can have multiple smaller forges each ran by diferent tech-priest as his own fiefdom. We have even more extreme version of it in 30k with Taghmata. Logistics aren't that big problem when you can produce components on your ship.
>>95901187
Many hope, rarely some can.
>>95901228
Tech-priests are also tools. Skitarii are tools of their princeps, princeps is tool of tech-priest, tech priest is tool of even higher up tech-priest. In Mechanicum everyone is expendable puppet to guy above them.
Replies: >>95901470
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:28:20 AM No.95901435
imagen_2025-06-18_162810573
imagen_2025-06-18_162810573
md5: 212be56f9747b739ff0dc64e59de7277๐Ÿ”
>>95901421
>Breaching 6 plasma
OOF
Replies: >>95901463 >>95901472 >>95901516
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:30:05 AM No.95901445
>>95901421
Nobody has been using plasma since 2.0 anyway
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:32:11 AM No.95901463
>>95901435
Reminder GW has cynically nerfed plasma into the ground to justify the new niche(s) of the newly spammable disintegrator weapons which conveniently are new weapons that people will have to buy.
Replies: >>95901481 >>95901485 >>95901496 >>95901507
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:32:36 AM No.95901470
imagen_2025-06-18_163232644
imagen_2025-06-18_163232644
md5: 7121cf708fc7e482410206c577e48681๐Ÿ”
>>95901427
>cohort is magos personal army
A Taghmata is a Magos' personal army, and they can do with it whatever they want.
A Skitarii maniple is the Forgeworld's nominal army, and they can do with it only whatever the feudal council agrees to, and only if he/they are influent enough / far-away enough that Mars won't protest breach of dogma.
Otherwise it's Malagra time
Replies: >>95901574
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:32:45 AM No.95901472
>>95901435
I don't think anyone is ever going to use the top profile unless they are fighting SA or militia
It might as well not exist
Maybe with a moritat
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:33:49 AM No.95901481
>>95901463
Makes you wonder why they decided to make a plasma blaster for the saturnine praetor when it's completely fucking useless anyway.
Replies: >>95901508
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:34:28 AM No.95901485
imagen_2025-06-18_163423709
imagen_2025-06-18_163423709
md5: d4db58e53d3c6557d58056038033fb72๐Ÿ”
>>95901463
This
>S4 AP3 disintegrators
Why even fucking bother oof. Literally the worst parts of both guns and then some
Replies: >>95901649 >>95901837
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:35:36 AM No.95901496
>>95901463
>small Disintegrator too weak, can't kill anything
>big Disintegrator too strong, will kill yourself and only on big expensive platform
If the Disintegrator Blaster isn't AP2 Overload 1 Disintegrators are dead on arrival.
Replies: >>95901554 >>95901649
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:36:48 AM No.95901507
>>95901463
Disintegrators might be even worse than plasma
We don't know why veterans can take them tho. They might be able to take any special weapon. If you are getting veteran assault squads might as well get veteran TSS
Replies: >>95901649
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:36:48 AM No.95901508
>>95901481
You could totally keep normal plasma AP4 Breaching 4+, and have Maximal be full AP2. Both profiles get hot, but marines can save one better than the other.
It's not a "safe" profile. Merely safe-r
Replies: >>95901527
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:37:55 AM No.95901516
>>95901435
We can only pray the Plasma trait actually does something. Bolt pistol has the Assault trait which means it can be used for volley fire. But I seriously doubt that.
Replies: >>95901535 >>95901537
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:38:27 AM No.95901519
>>95898043
that's seal of approval if i ever read one.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:38:58 AM No.95901527
worth
worth
md5: 6d7045070d888607b6fb0075373e87e5๐Ÿ”
>>95901508
Plasma should not be safe - that was the entire point of it.
Replies: >>95901572 >>95902156
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:39:47 AM No.95901535
>>95901516
I don't think traits do anything other than give IF +1 to hit with Bolt
They really fucking love putting tags on everything like a bunch of autists but then they never use them for anything...
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:40:03 AM No.95901537
>>95901516
That's not a quality of the trait that's a quality of volley fire. What global rule would would interact with the plasma trait?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:41:50 AM No.95901554
>>95901496
If the dread's disintegration cannon is a better lascannon with overload it's a possible contender as well
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:44:05 AM No.95901572
>>95901527
Only Phased Plasma should be safe, and it gave up S7 AP2 for S6 AP3. That was the whole point of it.
Now it's the deadliest plasma there is.
GW is a big, fat mess
Replies: >>95901633
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:44:23 AM No.95901574
>>95901470
>A Skitarii maniple is the Forgeworld's nominal army
And forge world is local fabricator's personal fiefdon, that is split into lesser forgefanes that are personal fiefdoms of lesser tech priests who in turn give smaller parts of their territory to lesser priests.
Mechanicum never was unified in belief outside "Praise Machine God", they can't agree who is Omnissiah, what is tech heresy and what dogma is. Chart also shows Basilikon Astra to be it's own thing, but guess how some asshole's magos personal Taghmata get's around...
Cult Mechanicus is pure mess, no wonder they damper or straight up remove their emotional lobes.
Replies: >>95902212
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:45:36 AM No.95901581
IMG_8817
IMG_8817
md5: d3ce7b82b093b8e431e3b0cc39daa02f๐Ÿ”
>>95900957
It's a shame the horror of thallax isn't really conveyed by their models.
Replies: >>95901594
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:46:34 AM No.95901594
>>95901581
It is.
They have no mouth, but they must scream.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:50:58 AM No.95901633
>>95901572
>Now it's the deadliest plasma there is.
Bold of you to assume it's not going to be nerfed into the ground as well
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:52:17 AM No.95901641
>>95899233
>everything, even the apparently inanimate, is ensouled and conscious
See this is where it falls down, because that wasn't the case originally. That was what the Mechanicus *believed* to be true, but it wasn't actually, in fact, true. The fact they believed it was true was one of the ways that the faction's core themes - replacing true learning with rote recitation ultimately dooms you; that we have to be careful in extremis not to fall into mindless dogmatism; that a populace that doesn't understand how its own world functions is easier to subvert and ultimately control, etc etc - were reinforced. The Guardsman is not literally *making his gun work by praying to it*, he's performing basic maintenance in a world where the only way he's allowed to learn that information is in the form of a prayer. It's purposefully farcical, to drive home how insane the Imperium is and provide a bit of levity.

Now motherfuckers are walking around with "ensoulled" fucking pencils or whatever because nuGW writers are hackfraud faggot fucks who skipped out on English to fit in more Student Union meetings and Gender Studies lectures.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:53:26 AM No.95901648
What if they nerfed plasma becasue TSS are actually going to be a reasonable price this time around and it would be too good otherwise?
Rapid fire is not a thing anymore either so it's likely plasma guns are just flat 2 Shots at 24" now
And cannons are a waaaay more accurate
Replies: >>95901660
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:53:42 AM No.95901649
>>95901485
>>95901496
>>95901507
Plasma with breaching 4+ was reasonably good against meq and teq.

ap3 disintegrators are good against meq, ap2 heavy disintigrators are good against meq.

But if Plasma stayed as breaching 4+, it'd overlap heavily with both types of disintegrators.

So they nerf plasma, to force new model sales for the inevitable disintegrator weapon upgrade box if you want a weapon that can actually breach armour, even though yes, neither is really that great.
Replies: >>95901726 >>95901730
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:55:08 AM No.95901660
>>95901648
This makes no sense because the individual weapon options have their own prices. You can have 'reasonably prices tss' while still having strong (and expensive) weapon options.
Replies: >>95901679
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:56:46 AM No.95901677
>>95899822
Who's the pilot on the Porphy, Tom Cruise? Lifts-wearing motherfucker lol. YWNBAT.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:56:51 AM No.95901679
>>95901660
You can't in 2.0. Even if the guns were free the base price was so retarded no one ever took them
Replies: >>95901720
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 12:59:51 AM No.95901704
10-thh_more-assaultmarine-nqpoxxo6wt
10-thh_more-assaultmarine-nqpoxxo6wt
md5: 44507346e476751683703f0a5e6253a6๐Ÿ”
Speaking of scale creep - putting aside the continual increase of actual model size and xl dread +1 shit... why the fuck do they keep making WEAPONS fucking bigger and bigger?

Many of the new melee weapons are just getting comically fucking large, like the praetor weapons in the 2.0 box set, or power weapons in the melee upgrade set (especially axes and maces), and the preview showing the new chain axes shows that they have also become absurdly fucking huge.

Why does every weapon have to be a fucking penis compensator? Can we not have weapons that aren't anime massive? Some of these one handed weapons are larger than older 2 handed weapons, its fucking silly.
Replies: >>95901719 >>95901736 >>95901820 >>95902245 >>95902498
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:01:24 AM No.95901719
>>95901704
for me, I'm all about huge weapons. Yeah, it can be WoW absurd but it's still really cool.
Replies: >>95901765
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:01:31 AM No.95901720
>>95901679
Anon, read what I said.
You can lower the base price of the squad/per model price, and still have strong weapon options that are appropriately expensive.

Yes this is not the case in 2.0, anon I was replying to was speculating that plasma is dogshit now because tss will be lower price, even though plasma is not their only option.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:02:08 AM No.95901726
>>95901649
>it'd overlap heavily with both types of disintegrators.
There is NO overlap. Cool it with the conspiracy theories.
It got nerfed because it's probably more hits overall and because the way Overcharge works you don't really want it to be Ap2 half the time.
Plasma at Breaching 5+ is better than disintegrators against MEQ.
10 Disintegrator shots kill 3 MEQs
20 Plasma shots kill 4
If it was still Breaching 4+ it'd kill 7

Disintegrators are a weird ass nich gun that seems only good to kill 3+Sv with 2W. It's basically made to kill veterans. Plasma is still better against anything else unless that S4 was a typo
Replies: >>95901765
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:02:58 AM No.95901730
>>95901649
But no one will buy disintegrators either unless you can take 5 disintegrators for the price of one melta. Which then comes down nerfing melta not nerfing plasma. Plasma was never even a competitor.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:04:16 AM No.95901736
>>95901704
They'be never been great at weapons scales but there's some twat at GW with a serious hard on for oversized axes. The IF character with 2 of them is the same. The size is ridiculous
Replies: >>95901792
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:07:47 AM No.95901758
IMG_20250619_000607
IMG_20250619_000607
md5: f789b63d10ceed26688c316e827c5f2e๐Ÿ”
Does the radome work? I want it to look like the turret is unmanned
Replies: >>95901764 >>95901867 >>95902438
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:09:05 AM No.95901764
>>95901758
Looks nice. Not particularly unmanned tho
Replies: >>95901817
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:09:08 AM No.95901765
>>95901719
How are you even using this axe one handed?

It's almost as tall as the guy holding it. It's not a question of a space marine's physical strength, simply having a weapon that large and long would make it unwieldy as fuck, which is what makes it comical and cartoonish.

>>95901726
They are addding new veteran units, 2d ap3 weapons is very much a relevant niche.

Did I miss something with overcharge? Last I saw it uses the base ap, which would never be ap2, but I've already forgotten half the leaks so I could be wrong.
Replies: >>95901784 >>95901792 >>95901802 >>95902245
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:11:30 AM No.95901784
>>95901765
Overload is now resolved as hits against your squad, which means it now rolls to wound, which means it can potential breach. We don't know whether or not it strips special rules off the hits because we don't have the text of the overload rule.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:12:15 AM No.95901792
>>95901765
Listen, I'm not saying saying it isn't, I just still find it cool (except a few exceptions like >>95901736
what anon said with Fafnir who looks terrible with both the oversized axes + the shield and sword on his back)
Replies: >>95901816
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:13:27 AM No.95901802
>>95901765
>very much a relevant niche
And that's probably another reason why plasma got nerfed. If it wasn't it'd be equally better than disintegrators at killing MEQs, veterans and TEQs and considerably better against light vehicles
>Last I saw it uses the base ap
The article said Hit rolls of 1 target your own unit
I assume that means you get hit once and have to roll for wounds normally
Overload is not in the core rule for whatever fucking reason...
Replies: >>95901816 >>95901858
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:15:42 AM No.95901816
>>95901792
If bro wants to wield a giant giga axe its all good, just model it being actually 2 handed if its gonna be 2 handed sized.

>>95901802
GW putting only some of the BASIC FUCKING SPECIAL RULES in the main rule book, and others in the liber books is genuinely so fucking retarded. There is a 0% chance plasma is marine specific, so why god do they do this?

Like I genuinely don't understand, its not like it will help their sales in some convoluted way, and all it does is make it harder to actually read all the rules.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:15:44 AM No.95901817
IMG_20250619_001410
IMG_20250619_001410
md5: 66f83210d5043f2519369cf8d625933e๐Ÿ”
>>95901764
I mean the hatch is gone and also because of the rocket launcher there is only one hatch available, the turret would have to be unmanned thanks to the size of this unit on the turret. I want to go with that this was a slightly refit/revision of the Kratos that was being tested by my SOH guys.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:16:27 AM No.95901820
>>95901704
Every weapon GW makes is oversized and melee weapons are not the worst offenders. That axe still looks like it could be wielded by a man, even if two handed. The guns on the other hand are all comically oversized, especially tank guns.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:17:21 AM No.95901827
>>95901382
>Using a single equals to evaluate values
ngmi
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:19:07 AM No.95901837
>>95901485
I'm sorta fine with mid-strength high-AP weapons. It's a niche that's gone unfilled for a while.
Should disintegrators be that? I dunno. But something should.
Replies: >>95901853
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:20:40 AM No.95901851
>>95901820
gun sizes have stayed (reasonably) consistant, while melee weapons have had very significant scale creep. I have models with the old FW mk2/mk3 power weapon upgrades as well as models with the new plastic ones, and the plastic ones are quite literally twice as large.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:20:43 AM No.95901853
>>95901837
It'd be fine for disintegrators to fill that niche if they stuck to it instead of having the next gun in size be S7 for some fucking reason. That's no longer an anti Veteran weapon
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:21:17 AM No.95901858
>>95901802
Unless Plasma literally only ever does one shot it's still way better at killing MEQs and light vehicles (as if light vehicles exist lol) and only very slightly worse at killing veterans.
Replies: >>95901875
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:21:44 AM No.95901864
>>95897941 (OP)
Both of those guns looks like they are going to suck your dick
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:22:08 AM No.95901867
>>95901758
I'd just shave the cupola down and put like an access hatch there not mean for a TC, but maintenance of the internals. Extra optics and sensors on the turret to compensate for the TC's lack of a cupola to have 360 view. Maybe put the TC on the little hatch next to the driver as his work position?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:23:36 AM No.95901871
>>95901853
Yeah. Mid-strength high-AP weapons should not scale up to threaten tanks, they should scale up to threaten larger hordes of infantry.
I think Volkite manages to hold it's niche while scaling well (or did, at least)
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:24:36 AM No.95901875
>>95901858
>only very slightly worse at killing veterans
Plasma is as bad at kiling veterans as disintegrators are at killing MEQs in comparison. I think they are well balanced
You are probably going to lose more points by kill yourself than you are going to gain by destroying a rhino with either of them desu
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:26:09 AM No.95901888
If terminators can take heavy weapons (Which we know they can), and heavy-weapon terminators are a desirable thing, why did nobody except the bloody space wolves consider letting cataphractii/tartaros taking more than 1-per-5 heavy weapons?
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:29:06 AM No.95901910
>>95901888
Its kinda wack that marines have this amazing heavy weapons platform in terminators, and gives them EXTREMELY limited access to heavy weapons. Not even just the 1 in 5, but why only plasma blaster/AC/heavy flamer?

Justaerin with multimeltas is such an obvious choice for terminators to use, or plasma cannons/literally every possible kind of heavy weapon.

We have exactly one model in terminator armour using a heavy bolter (that SW dude), but why no one else?
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:30:33 AM No.95901920
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>>95901888
i would say because there was an impetus to maintain terminators, or at least most members of a squad as a sort of universal line trooper much like power armoured marines are with at least one limb able to interact with things in a semi-normal human fashion as necessary as opposed to making them walking gun platforms like saturnines very resemble
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:30:56 AM No.95901922
>>95901888
Why would they when they apparently had saturnine filling that roll all along?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:31:46 AM No.95901928
>>95901910
>Not even just the 1 in 5
This is a rules limitation
>plasma blaster/AC/heavy flamer?
This is a model limitation.

But neither are justified as limiting what we can do. It wouldn't be hard to do a sprue of heavy weapons arms for Cataphractii/Tartaros, but I assume selling a whole new nostalgia-wrapped terminator is the goal, not giving existing models desirable options.
Replies: >>95901957
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:31:57 AM No.95901930
>95901920
very much*
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:32:47 AM No.95901936
>>95901920
Sure, but autocannon on one arm, free/melee weapon hand on the other fulfils that role, no?
Replies: >>95901972
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:33:11 AM No.95901937
>>95901888
I mean SW are kinda retarded for that desu. Theres no reason to get up close and persobal with long range heavy weapons.
What I want to know is why the heavy weapon options arent a miltimelta and heavy flamer. What the fuck do you need an autocannon for?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:35:10 AM No.95901952
>>95901875
1 Plasma Gun shot at BS4, S7, AP4, Breaching 5+ inflicts ~0.296 (going out to 3 digits so no one accuses me of reductive rounding this time) wounds against T4 3+ save
1 Disintegrator shot at BS4, S4, AP3 inflicts ~0.333 wounds against T4 3+ save
Against a MEQ, they're nearly identical
Against a VEQ, will kill half as many
Against a light vehicle (AV 11-12) the disintegrator can't hurt it but the plasma gun can

If the plasma gun has 2 shots, even with heavy (FP), it will mog the disintegrator because it deals effectively same damage against veterans while killing twice as many tacticals and being able to glance a Rhino effectively.
Replies: >>95902000
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:35:26 AM No.95901955
>>95901888
Iron Warriors tyrant terminators all have heavy weapons.
Like 40k terminators can take 1 cyclone/assault cannon/flamer per 5, here tyrants have 5 launchers per 5 terminators and each also have power fist and combi with rule they can fire both rockets and boltgun in single shooting phase.
But to answer your question, most retarded things can be summarised as to balance the game. Why only 1 in 5 can take special weapon? Why tacticals are only boltguns and no heavy weapon? Why destroyers have 2 pistols and can take only 1 rad rocket per 5? Why drop pods require rite of war?
Well balance.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:35:55 AM No.95901957
>>95901928
Yes anon, I am aware rules exist.

Lorewise though most heavy weapons are simply never used by terminators for no explainable reason.

Stuff like MM on justies is not even a great option due to how expensive it is, so its not like making it an option is an issue of making it OP, and a weapon upgrade sprue of more termie weapon options would just be another kit to sell, so dunno why they don't do it.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:35:55 AM No.95901958
>>95901910
What's actually insane is assault terminators. Here's this heavy armor, you can't move very fast in it, you especially can't chase after anyone and you're really bulky and obviously have somewhat more constricted movements.

So they give them swords and shit so that people can walk away from them at a somewhat brisk pace.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:36:21 AM No.95901963
>>95901871
Problem is that if you give them more shots you are also killing yourself faster...
But idk. S5 would have been perfectly fine for the heavy version. And 2 shots for the one above that
By the current logic the dread's disintegrator is going to be S10
Replies: >>95902007
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:37:51 AM No.95901972
>>95901936
factor of unwieldiness and doctrine perhaps then
bearing in mind maybe that the likes of tactical squads are afforded no opportunity for the taking of special weapons beyond maybe the sergeant's implements
it was intended for the lowest line tactical marine of the late, late great crusade to be suited up in terminator plate with probably a twin linked bolter and lightning claw or power weapon
>t. all the things i've read trust me bro
Replies: >>95901992
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:38:45 AM No.95901980
>>95900846
Why bother when there's the Wilph boxnoughts if you can be bothered hunting for them on weekends and ForgesOfZeon is right now working on his version which judging by his other 'noughts will piss on the competition.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:39:16 AM No.95901988
>95901972
sorry, tartaros plate* in particular, hurr durr
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:40:10 AM No.95901991
>>95901958
If you're assaulting some position/objective and all the defenders run away, thats kinda a win anon.

Also that's what all the transport options are for.
Replies: >>95902063
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:40:14 AM No.95901992
>>95901972
Sure, but we did have heavy support squads.
I'm not saying every terminator squad should get all heavy weapons. I'm asking why there wasn't a heavy weapon terminator squad available (ignoring the legion-specific examples) when it seems to be a very easy thing to do. Hell, it's even easier, since HSSs need both hands to carry their weapons, which terminators wouldn't.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:40:20 AM No.95901994
>>95901958
Assault terminators use either storm shield(3++) and thunder hammers that hit like truck, or power claws that have high ap, +1 attack and shred. They can withstand enemy fire in close quarters and massacre them.
Besides that assault terminators are 40k unit and in 40k terminators have default deep strike.
But if you want to make this argument then melee weapons outside combat knife/bayonet and melee dedicated units like assault marines make no sense, because shooting from afar is better and safer and heavy support squad with jump pack would be more effective.
Replies: >>95902063
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:41:27 AM No.95902000
>>95901952
>Plasma Gun shot at BS4, S7, AP4, Breaching 5+ inflicts ~0.296 (going out to 3 digits so no one accuses me of reductive rounding this time) wounds against T4 3+ save
Plasmaguns are likely to be 2 shots. And you seem to be ignoring the non ap shots. MEQs still fail a third of time
It's 0.68 wound per plasmagun. It's nowhere near
Replies: >>95902032
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:42:09 AM No.95902007
>>95901963
Disintegrator: 18" FP1 S4 AP3 D2 Overload 1
Disintegrator Blaster: 18" FP2 S5 AP3 D2 Overload 1
Heavy Disintegrator: 24" FP1 S7 AP3 D2 Heavy (AP) Overload 2
Twin Heavy Disintegrator: 24" FP2 S7 AP2 D2 Overload 2
Disintegration Cannon: 36" FP2 S9 AP2 D3 Overload 2
Replies: >>95903516
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:46:42 AM No.95902032
>>95902000
The point was to showcase how many wounds per shot as I mentioned but you're actually slightly right, I was including the breaching shot but my math was off, I was doing the math as if 33% of the hits would be non breaching hits not 50% of them
With that in mind the correct number of wounds per shot per plasma is...~0.333

2 SHOT PLASMA AND DISINTEGRATORS ARE LITERALLY IDENTICAL AT KILLING VEQs
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:50:23 AM No.95902050
I don't know why you're all fussing about the basic Disintegrator when the real problem will be heavy disintegrators vs plasma cannons, if plasma cannons stay as just plasma with 36" range, 3" blast, 1 shot they're even fucking worse than before and get mogged by a S7 AP2 D2 1 shot heavy Disintegrator
Replies: >>95902291
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:52:59 AM No.95902059
I dont think new plasma is necessarily "bad" as in "weak", its probably still a perfectly viable weapon choice and will do damage. I do however think new plasma is "bad" as in "boring" if it loses its AP capabilities.

Plasma is supposed to be a high risk, high reward, elite killer. Something designed for killing elite infantry or even light vehicles through its high Ap at solid ranges, but which carries the risk of self killing in return for this power.

This plasma feels more like autocannons or assault cannons, weapons that rely on weight of fire more than anything. The solid S and number of shots being more important than its AP. This feels wrong to me, it loses the identity of "plasma" for no good reason. Plasma shouldnt be about rolling buckets of dice, it should be about knowing that the dice rolls are high impact both ways.
Replies: >>95902067
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:53:58 AM No.95902063
>>95901991
Oh I don't disagree, but you've got better options. Namely, the much faster assault marines.Must be very frustrating to be a WE terminator.

>>95901994
>assault marines make no sense
Quite the opposite. Assault marines are fast and have jump packs. They can close the distance quickly without transports. They can easily circumvent obstacles, go over them, jump up and down buildings.... Swords, pistols, explosives, and just turn em loose on some urban environment. You get a lot more utility from that then some dude who can slowly walk over or requires dedicated transport to do anything.

I guess they work in really confined spaces, corridors of ships and such. That's probably where they're in their best element.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:54:49 AM No.95902067
>>95902059
Plasma are literally just autocannon lite now, except it can still kill you.
Replies: >>95902073
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 1:55:52 AM No.95902073
>>95902067
>except it can still kill you.
If you overclock them, yes. And yes, theyre just 24" autocannons now, which makes me wonder what the fuck theyre going to do with autocannons.
Replies: >>95902270
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:03:29 AM No.95902108
Luv me autocannon carnodons, simple as
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:06:47 AM No.95902130
>>95901958
Actually the real issue there is GW ennabling retard players who want to use(and so, must buy) their toys all the time even when it makes no sense. Assault Terminators are for boarding actions, strongpoint assaults, even trench warfare - anywhere they can be brought to bear quickly against an enemy that doesn't have all that much room to maneuver and routing them is only a slightly worse outcome than killing them outright.

Players, being WAACoid subnormal shits with the temperement of toddlers, deploy them on Planet Bowlingball because they never play anything other than -default point value- games on a table with less obstructions on it than a typical fucking dinnerplate.
Replies: >>95902145
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:08:49 AM No.95902145
>>95902130
People that play with low amounts of terrain are really sad, Its so fucking dull and takes away so much strategy from the game. I would stuff my entire board with terrain if it didn't make it hard to physically move stuff around at that level of density.

Also the nerfs to cover in 2.0 was also kinda wew.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:10:10 AM No.95902156
>>95901527
you say that, but original plasma came in two forms: the direct weapons that needed recharge time (a number of turns based on the weapon's size) and missiles/grenades that left a plasma ball template in place

they never exploded until... I want to say 3E? 1998?
Replies: >>95902172
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:12:06 AM No.95902172
>>95902156
Yes it was 3rd, which was also when they stripped out sustained and maximal fire.
I wonder if plasma cannons will be S10 maximal?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:15:41 AM No.95902212
>>95901574
What i mean is a planet may have multiple taghmatas, but only one Skitarii. Thus there is Taghmata Satarael, from among the multiple Magi of his planet, but there's only Skitarii Incaladion, the forgeworld that basically exiled the fleshless lord
I have kinda forgotten what we are actually talking about, but even if the Skitarii are beholden to a single Fabricator General of the Forgeworld (instead of a council), there's still only a single Skitarii on that world.

Just what are we talking about anyways?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:22:46 AM No.95902245
>>95901704
>why the fuck do they keep making WEAPONS fucking bigger and bigger?
Sorry, that was me. I asked them to.
>>95901765
>It's not a question of a space marine's physical strength, simply having a weapon that large and long would make it unwieldy as fuck, which is what makes it comical and cartoonish.
It makes them stand out, but indeed marine weapons would look ridiculously big because they are ridiculously strong for their frame.
For something barely any bigger than a tall mortal, they are several times stronger, and would be able to wield a normal zweihander on a single hand like it was a mere smallsword.
Conversely, their own purposely-made weapons are so big and dense they might be difficult for a person to even lift :O!
Replies: >>95902282
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:26:28 AM No.95902270
>>95902073
Probably S7 Ap4 D2
It doesn't ignore armour but it still works on 2W marines and is fine against light vehicles
Not awful against saturnine and terminators either if they get 3shots or are cheap
Replies: >>95902294
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:27:55 AM No.95902282
>>95902245
Its not about simple strength though. They are clearly strong enough to carry it like its nothing, but if you are trying to swing a giant 2 handed weapon around with 1 hand, you simply have very poor leverage, and the space marine dude you're fighting with a normal sized one handed weapon is going to have a huge advantage and completely fuck you up.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:29:09 AM No.95902291
>>95902050
Blast weapon are really fucking accurate now. Even when they miss you still have a significant chance to hit
They should hit on avarage more than 2
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:29:37 AM No.95902294
>>95902270
Str 7 AP 4 Damage 1 Heavy (Damage) :^)
Replies: >>95902321
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:33:33 AM No.95902321
>>95902294
Probably.
Heavy so far seems nerf you if you move compared to before, rather than give you a benefit for being stationary
Replies: >>95902392
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:35:56 AM No.95902333
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>>95898403
Minor nitpick but why is the new layout so ass? Is it just the preview? Why did rhey move the unit composition section up there and why are the options two colums that offset everything?
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:38:47 AM No.95902355
>>95902333
Cuz adding 4 extra stats Probably made the line too wide and everything else needs to accomodate that. Maybe these arent actually entries from the libers. If they are, it's a massive asthetic downgrade
Replies: >>95902402
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:42:55 AM No.95902392
>>95902321
Strictly speaking lascannons only did one wound until now, so technically it is a buff.
Replies: >>95902461
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:43:58 AM No.95902402
>>95902355
That makes no sense the statbar is still its own row in both the new and old profiles.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:48:59 AM No.95902438
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>>95901758
Now this would be unmanned
Replies: >>95902567
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:51:48 AM No.95902461
>>95902392
They ID termies and the pottential damage from explodes was probably higher in most vehicles that it is now.
HB lost a shot unless they remain stationary too
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:56:40 AM No.95902498
>>95901704
Word Bearer bros how do we go about converting these into Ashen Circle?
Replies: >>95902511
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 2:58:25 AM No.95902511
>>95902498
Step 1: Go buy 10 Ashen Circle from a remaster for half the price
Replies: >>95902535
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:02:16 AM No.95902535
>>95902511
The FW ones look kinda bad tho
Replies: >>95902545
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:04:21 AM No.95902545
>>95902535
What you mean, like in a "She kinda bad tho" kinda way?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:08:08 AM No.95902567
>>95902438
>Now this would be completely and mentally stable.
FTFY
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:09:56 AM No.95902577
I want some mk4s, mk5s and to kitabash a 20 man squad of a cobbled together armour from part of different marks.
I don't have access to a printer or somebody with one.
What would be the best way to approach this and what recasters, if any, would offer the best range of marks and parts? I have zero experience with recasters.
Replies: >>95902635
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:20:58 AM No.95902635
>>95902577
The best recasters are cheaper and higher quality, but also invite only. Public ones like zack and wartable aren't necessarily dogshit, although their quality control isn't as good.

Its funny though, in my country, since GW prices are extra fucking retarded, every single HH player I know, around the entire country all use recasters
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:22:56 AM No.95902646
>>95902631
>>95902631
>>95902631
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 3:29:03 AM No.95902676
>>95898365
What shade of paint is that? I've been glazing my night lords to get a similar shade, but if I can just start with that it'd save time
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 7:14:00 AM No.95903516
>>95902007
Does overload (2) mean you take hits on the roll of a 1 and 2 or that you take two hits for each roll of a one?
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 5:33:15 PM No.95905933
>>95900939
That's not true, the basic fluff for servo skulls, cogitators and 40k robots straight up mentions that there aren't any organic components that do part of the "thinking". At most one could argue that heresy era robots having syntetic bio-plastic brains would almost fall into that category were it not for the fact that being synthetized they are the completely opposite of being organic.