How has nobody ever made a xianxia TTRPG? It's a popular genre nowadays, which features canon leveling up and lots of fighting. The closest you get is some wuxia like Outlaws of the Water Margin and Weapons of the Gods.

>>95904289 (OP)
>xianxia TTRPG
Because that level of bean counting and performing dumb repetitive tasks ain't no fun without computer support.

>>95904289 (OP)
He looks like he fucks black twinks

>>95904289 (OP)
>It's a popular genre nowadays
Doubt.

>>95904412
*in Roblox

>>95904412
You can doubt all you want, but there's a billion Chinese people, multiple TV series in the genre, xianxia fic written by westerners, etc.

>>95904289 (OP)
>xianxia
I don't get the appeal

>>95904508
It's edgy superhero fiction, featuring people having sex with a nonexistent entry barrier. You literally, actually really start reading or watching from chapter one and nobody expects you to know shit about anything.

>>95904508
You don't get the appeal of doing cool kung fu techniques, getting a giant harem of Chinese beauties, having superpowers, and having an endless stream of mustache-twirling villains to fight because the last mustache-twirling villain was their subordinate and while they know he started it, they must maintain face which requires them to fight you?

>>95904466
>Chinese
>people
Maybe look for games in Chinese then, retard.

>>95904532
Be honest the only reason you entered the thread to make racist shitposts.
Well, nigger chink wop kike.
There, is that enough? Can we discuss games in this traditional games board now?

>>95904289 (OP)
>canon leveling up
That kind of shit has always been lame as hell. Plus, doesn’t xianxia involve literally transcending to new levels of existence, so you can’t realistically maintain bonds to people and places that you meet early on?

Wuxia is cool, xianxia is too autistic and full of the shittiest tropes.
I'd rather just take standard Conan-like Sword and Sorcery set-ups and add wuxia and xianxia elements.

>>95904679
Eventually you can become an immortal that can travel between the realms if you keep at it. And there's always reincarnation if you really want to hang around with the descendants of your friends.

>>95904679
>Plus, doesn’t xianxia involve literally transcending to new levels of existence, so you can’t realistically maintain bonds to people and places that you meet early on?
My thinking on this, when I've toyed with the genre, is simple: just don't let the PCs cheat. Every xianxia story has the protagonist go from zero to 1,000,000 in record time, constantly under insane pressure and getting stupidly lucky. If the xianxia protag advances at ~the normal pace, all their friends at the Sect (and rival Sects, etc) will mostly increase in power too, and remain relevant.

>>95904528
The one I had the displeasure with, everyone had three different Chinese names (common name, courtesy name and previous incarnation) and you had to know who had gay sex with whose incarnation to understand the character relations.

>>95905218
imagine being expected to learn the characters' background in order to understand their relations. *shivers* thank God I just read isekai slop where nobody has a backstory, they just appear fully-formed in the setting with no relationships

>>95905218
>who had gay sex
Why not just say "who had sex"?

>>95905218
Haven't actually seen that outside of the actual Classics.

1
Meng Hao walked into the McDonald's. The cultivator taking his order gave a derisive snort, but Meng Hao did not really care, because he had repressed his aura down to the Single Patty Realm, and a fool would not be able to tell his true level of burger eating.
"Give me... a Happy Meal!"
The cultivator's face flickered before he finally regained his composure and laughed. "You couldn't afford a Happy Meal. Get lost! Don't you see that there are Double Quarter Pounder Realm eaters waiting behind you? Meng Hao slapped his bag of holding and threw 80 billion spirit McDonald's coupons onto the counter, causing an earthquake which demolished half of the restaurant. Everyone dropped their jaws. None could see how this was possible!
"I'll take that Happy Meal with a side order of fries, " Meng Hao said. He was as calm as the ocean in a painting of an insanely calm ocean. "And let me see your manager!"
The cashier cultivator coughed up a mouthful of ketchup. He simply could not handle Meng Hao's killing intent, because he was only at the Quarter Pounder with Cheese realm himself. Even though Meng Hao had suppressed his aura, because he had cultivated the Heavenly Burgin' Qi, this was enough to kill people a few levels higher if he truly wanted.
It was then that another man which a much more fierce aura stepped forward. "You dare make trouble here?"
"P... Patriarch Hamburglar!"
Patriarch Hamburglar was 99 cents of the way into the Big Mac Realm, plus tax! Meng Hao was pushed back two feet, knocking over a soda machine. Powerade Mountain Berry Blast geysered outward, killing several onlookers. Of course, Mayor McCheese saw all this happen through the window.

>>95909735
2
Meng Hao coughed up a mouthful of blood, snorted, constricted his pupils, and then his expression went calm. He unleashed the aura of 64 patties, condensed down to a 2 patty stack that could fit into his mouth! Mayor McCheese coughed up a mouthful of cheese. His pupils constricted.
"Is this... Seeking the McRib stage??"
Meng Hao had the gentle air of a scholar, but it wouldn't stop him from killing several people in a McDonald's. "Burger Devouring Scripture! I'm Lovin' It!"
With the first keyword of the Burger Devouring Scripture, everyone below the early Quarter Pounder With Cheese stage exploded into purple mist. The light of the immense heavenly burger shone down with the contours of a golden arch as 9 illusory burgers floated around Meng Hao's body, which is probably an important xianxia number that matches the number of lakes in some sacred Chinese province I've never heard of. But that was only a fraction of Meng Hao's power. He waved his arm, bringing forth thirty more cultivation techniques that hadn't appeared in over 400 chapters!

"Heavenly Tribulation Fries! Eastern Everburning Egg McMuffin! Fruit Smoothie Guillotine! Soul McCafe Mocha Incarnation!"

Meng Hao's expression was the same as ever as he slapped his bag of holding, and brought out his karmic ketchup packet, Fry Cook Lord medallion, seventeen different wooden time spatulas, a five-coloured resurrection coupon, the silk burger wrapper, various souls of lightning McNuggets that he may or may not still have, and his mask of the legacy of Ronald McDonald. Oh, and the image of a flying Chicken Snack Wrap dragon appeared. Remember that? It was basically his Main Thing at the start of the novel, but quietly faded into irrelevance. Until now! All of this takes some time to describe, but actually happened in the space of only a few breaths. "What! Impossible!"

>>95909743
3
Meng Hao wanted to summon the parrot as well, but it was too overcome with eroticism by the purple fur depicted on a nearby poster of Grimace, and was busy drilling out a glory hole straight through the poster, and the wall it was pinned to, with its strong parrot erection.
But it was more than enough. The Hamburglar's soul flew out and was absorbed into his mask! He screamed as his body was destroyed completely.
Meng Hao brushed off his robe and swept up his spirit coupons and everyone's bags of holding which probably didn't have any cool shit inside unless I write him into a corner later, and anyways, don't worry about it for now. He surveyed the rubble that was all that remained of the McDonald's.

"Guess I'll be taking that Happy Meal... to go!"

I've been thinking about it a lot but I'm not sure if there's a big overlap in OSR and xianxia.

>>95909761
I was thinking about exp rules when Cities Without Number came out, incorporating cybernetics as cultivation. Actual cultivation would use the same rules as cybernetics except you can perform the "surgery" actions on yourself during long periods of downtime meditation. Also as cybernetics because it was part of the setting. In addition CWN also had bribe payment rules. My concept was you gained exp by paying cybernetic costs, or by paying money into a pool. You can do this by carousing, building a temple or whatever you want, as well as letting defeated enemies go or working for "free", this excess cash goes towards both exp and a pool of karmic debt you can use to bribe people.

>>95909761
Powerlevel wank is a bunch of players at pushing level 36 in the OSR. Are that many people in to the Masters and Immortals level of play? Seems a bad fit despite there being rules for it, and the Mystic class being pretty close to the tropes.

>>95909922
Well I was thinking xWN specifically because WWN has the heroic (clearly super powered) and legate (diet Exalted) rules already for greater tiers.
Well there's debate over whether xWN is even OSR or not, but for me personally CWN is too far in terms of mechanical complexity.

>>95904289 (OP)
This is literally Exalted. That's specifically, intentionally what Exalted was built for.

On a related note, I swear to god there has been a systematic campaign to intentionally remove all traces of this particular Exalted book's cover art from the internet.

>>95910063
How well does Exalted handle being a level 0 ratcatcher with one boot? A xianxia system should also incorporate that.

>>95910133
Should it also have rules for taking a massive shit? TTRPGs frequently skip the irrelevant boring nonsense.

>>95910150
Starting at level 0 and becoming a god through sigma grindset is not irrelevant, it's the focus of the genre.

>>95910172
Hahaha. And what would that look like in a game, exactly? "I spend the next 5 years of turns sitting alone in a room meditating." Games like Exalted handle that through backgrounds. Because there's no game there. But if that's the kinda dull and autistic lack of player engagement that you're looking for then you are correct that no one has made such a game. And no one ever will. There's no part of that that is engaging or fun.

>>95910063
>This is literally Exalted. That's specifically, intentionally what Exalted was built for.
I've played Exalted, it's literally not, for numerous reasons. It does an okay job of the sort of very high powered kung fu combat of xianxia, but other than that, it's very clearly a wildly different genre, not just in the sense of "well, we changed this and that for playability," but just basic structural factors.

- Absolutely no Face mechanics or even really cultural elements. Face is the entire reason 90+% of all fights in xianxia happen.
- Very oriented towards "mortal" politics (running a kingdom) versus "immortal" politics of xianxia (my sect of cultivators beating up your sect of cultivators).
- No spirit stones, only real currencies like jade and paper.
- Lots of other little things I don't want to argue about because you could say, "Ah, but what about Enlightened Mortals" or some other edge case when 99% of the game is not about internal cultivation even if there's a viable Sorcery path that kinda looks like it.

>>95910133
3e, at least, covers "no Exaltations" okay. There's enough subsystems and structure for you to make something playable. Ratcatchers can suck it, though, it's a game about starting as a hero and becoming a god.

>>95910198
You can argue that it doesn't include all of the elements that you like (no face mechanics is just dead wrong but sure to the others). Not that it's not explicitly trying to be that kind of game, though. But hey, play your thing.

>>95910235
>no face mechanics is just dead wrong but sure to the others
? ?? Where, exactly? Again, I played this game, read the book, ran a few sessions, nothing like Face ever came up. The people of Exalted do not have the extreme neuroticism about perception of status that drives the conflicts of xianxia. An DB kills you because you're a Solar and thus an evil spirit that killed someone and hollowed out their corpse to do wicked bad stuff; a Sidereal kills you because you're a Solar, and thus an existential threat to the world; an Abyssal kills you because you're a Solar, and thus competition; a Lunar kills you because you're his mate from a past life when you made him lick your toes.

>Not that it's not explicitly trying to be that kind of game, though.
It's not. Exalted spends enormous amounts of its books on cultural and political minutiae because it is a game about the exercise of political power, through the lens of doing cool kung fu kicks on spirits and other kung fu guys.

Xianxia is not at all about that; it's about the personal quest for power and interpersonal conflicts of reputation and personality. The closest you get to one sect being philosophically different from another is demonic cultivators.

>>95904289 (OP)
Here's my character.

Hell yea, never thought id see weapons of the gods on tg. I know its technically Wuxia, but that book has so much autism in it that I think it wouldnt be hard to run Xianxia with it. As for Exalted, too much greek influence and other western weirdness that it completely loses all asian tone that is needed for Xianxia, Legend of the 5 Rings would be better to convert than exalted because at least at the end of the day it feels asian. I fear if a Xianxia ttrpg gets made it will either be Chinese with no translation, or western pbta slop. Best bet might just be heavily houseruling mechanics into a familiar d20 system.

>>95905081
At that point, aren’t you basically just playing wuxia unless the campaign lasts for literal decades?

>>95904508
>posts a Wuxia with heavy Xianxia influences
>hmm what could be the appeal

>>95905218
Gay shit is danmei and actually a separate category on chinese pirate and MTL sites, not even all of them bother pirating it.
Of course it's the only one modern publisherfaggots in the west has brought over to be translated despite having no appeal outside of fujoshits.

>>95909761
>but I'm not sure if there's a big overlap in OSR and xianxia.
I dunno about OSR specifically but I think CAG-style AD&D 1E could emulate it pretty well up to a point.
Just have a big world with tons and tons of hooks modeled after it, treasure and spirit stones = exp and make custom classes based on monks (already halfway there) with spell lists. Then just demarcate areas of the world by rough levels starting them out in some dinky wasteland/low qi area that powerful people avoid.
Then just give level titles like 1-2 Qi Condensation, 2-4 Foundation Establishment, 5-6 Core Formation, 7-8 Nascent Soul etc.
If you really want to model it even to the point of busywork for the DM then count downtime in years.
Secret realms = dungeons, certain sects can be treated like bandits, city adventures etc. There might be some mismatch here and there but overall I think it fits rather well.
Most of the work would be into making thematically appropriate challenges, maybe Ogre Gate Inn could be a source for that.

>>95913562
>At that point, aren’t you basically just playing wuxia unless the campaign lasts for literal decades?
Yes. Many TTRPGs have regularly-scheduled downtime, such as Pendragon, Ars Magica, or Blades in the Dark. You just make the downtime way longer because everybody sits in a meditation chamber for years.

>>95913584
Women read books.

>>95913693
>Women read books.
Not half as much as publishers like to pretend according to the Penguin-S&S antitrust trial and they mostly don't pay for it either.
Another example would be how Narou was the dominant book platform in Japan right up until they started pandering to women and then Kakuyomu took over almost instantly.

>>95910063
Exalted was built for nothing and nobody. Anima is the only proper autistic fightan anime RPG system.

>>95913575
>heavy Xianxia influences
Not really, no. There’s no cultivation, no transcendance, and even face isn’t a big deal past a few lines in the first season. Hell, one of the main themes of the finale was that attempting to cultivate power for its own sake leads nowhere, when that’s the entire point of xianxia. Pretty much anything TBF has in common with xianxia is the result of that genre being an outgrowth of wuxia.

>>95913584
I've been talking about MDZS, which is both danmei and xianxia.

>>95913860
>one of the main themes of the finale was that attempting to cultivate power for its own sake leads nowhere

>>95913902
By far the most satisfying of the three “throw the villain into the sky” conclusions the series has given us.

>>95909754

What does Meng Hao do in the face of adversity named safely as The 50 McNuggets Challenge Condition ?

>>95913860
Most of the show is inspired by Pili which is high-powered Wuxia/Xianxia and you don't see dimension-hopping demons, undead and flying magical swords crafted by immortals in wuxia.

>>95913963
High-powered wuxia, sure, but the thematic elements that distinguish xianxia as a genre are completely absent and, if anything, actively subverted in TBF.

>>95904289 (OP)
Xianxia, at it's core, is just typical medieval sword and sorcery fantasy. Hero takes up a weapon and goes on a journey to defeat evil, save the day, get revenge, etc. The problem is that it is drenched in gratutitous amounts of present day chinese retarded bugman autism, which takes all of the good stuff and twists it into retarded nonsense.

>>95914002
There's no real problem beyond a significant number of fags, who generally don't actually read western fiction, feeling threatened by foreign fiction becoming popular.

>>95914115
YOU ARE COURTING DEATH
But actually is hasn't become popular outside of China. That is a significant market to be popular in, but the rest of the world has seen glimpses of xianxia and cultivation stories, and they're a niche fighting for attention between monthly Bort chapters and flavor of the month isekai series.

>>95914133
It's veering on being more popular than western fantasy at the moment, even the litrpg shit are just pale imitations with smatterings of perpetually online "issues".
Mainly because it isn't getting ANY space in book stores anymore, it's all taken up by romantasy.
It's certainly not as big as when fantasy was relevant but it's apparently not allowed to be anymore.

>>95910865
>adorned in cinnabar color
Junior, you dare?!

>>95914223
>It's veering on being more popular than western fantasy at the moment
>actually it's being blocked and kept out of book stores because it's not allowed
I'm trying to be generous here, but this really sounds like you believe it is very popular and that it deserves to be, but that there's some conspiracy against it, which you aren't substantiating. Do you have some sales figures? Or like some royalroad story getting more views and sales than the supposed best-sellers?

>>95914133
I first discovered this genre because my fat sweaty Uber driver was absolutely blasting this xianxia audiobook. Could hear the voice talking when he pulled up. He turned it down but not off when I got in. The most off putting thing about the experience was the AI google voice that was reading the probably LLM generated translation. Very unenjoyable.

>>95904289 (OP)

Not saying anything about the quality of the game on account of not having read it, but Ruthless Heavens, Boundless Fate does exist and explicitly sells itself as being influenced by "power cultivation inspired by the litRPG genre."

>>95915100
Penguin antitrust trial.
Most books sell less than a dozen copies, 60% sell less than a thousand.
They use the few million-selling blockbusters to actually profit.

>>95915100
Xianxia is ridiculous wankery, but this anon has a point >>95915232. The publishing industry is a cartel and sales figures are untrustworthy "editiorial content" at best, especially from third parties like NYT.

>>95915584
I'm not saying it's not, but you can't just say "it's the most popular thing ever" and not substantiate it somehow. Everyone knows the best-seller lists are bullshit and that the sales figures to get a #1 spot on any of those lists are so low that many authors have gotten there by buying copies of the book from themselves. However, that doesn't mean Xianxia shit is secretly the most popular genre globally.

>>95915611
>most popular thing ever
I think you misunderstand desu. Xianxia isn't super popular, it's western fantasy that's dying off or arguably being killed off.>>95915611

>>95915645
So it's becoming more popular than a genre that's dying?

>>95915679
It's taking over because a need isn't being met by publishers. (basically any fantasy that isn't thinly-veiled porn for women)
The fans didn't suddenly go away.

>>95910063
Exalted is very different. The perfect defense concept illustrates that clearly. Such things do not at all fit well in xianxia. Combat in Xianxia almost always work through a number comparison. Someone of much greater powerlevel will easily overpower the greatest techniques of lesser cultivators. The combat paradigm of exalted is completely different and designed to allow a large number of low level exalted to eventually overpower the greatest beings in the setting. You would not see that in xianxia.

>>95915698
I wish the english language original xianxia-like books didn't suck.

>>95904289 (OP)
Because the powerleveling makes Exalted look like child's play.

>>95914646
What'cha gonna do about it?

>>95915584
>especially from third parties like NYT.
Hasn't NYT been pretty open about the fact that their best seller list is not based on sales though?

Seems kinda necessary in a market where rich fucks will just buy a couple million books to push whatever they want into the eye of the public.

I personally like Wuxia better because it's more grounded. Xianxia usually goes way over the line.

>>95913890
>MDZS
WWX should have reincarnated as a girl