Thread 95909302

I'm sick of all the iconoclasm
Have there been any campaigns where serving the gods is 100% the moral option, and the atheists are obviously idiots?
I just want to kill things in the name of a deity, I'm sick of the cult of humanism

>>95909302 (OP)
Many. Run the game you want to see.

>>95909302 (OP)
Haha, settle down christfag

>>95909302 (OP)
All of them are like that, unless you want to say that you play pre-made campaigns.
In that case lmao.

>>95909302 (OP)
>I'm sick of all the iconoclasm
Get used to it, it's not going back. Hope you get eaten by your own corruption.

>>95909302 (OP)
Pendragon

>>95909302 (OP)
That's not what Iconoclasm means.
In any case, build the adventure you want to see in the world. Don't just bitch about it on /tg/.

>>95909302 (OP)
>posts art for a setting where gods create rape goblins for fun

>>95909434
>he recognized tranime
Out.
OP too.

>>95909302 (OP)
How would you handle interfaith conflicts where active gods are a thing?

>>95909452
>he's angry about anime on 4chan
lol

>>95909460
Neck yourself, bumpfag

>>95909460
Fuck off

>>95909460
If you want a simple good morality take, you don't introduce it. If you want the game to turn into political drama, you introduce the idea nd run it like the political drama you just introduced. If you want your game to be fun, there is no in between.

>>95909302 (OP)
Ah bloo bloo
Too bad christcuck

>>95909369
Highest IQ person in the world just declared Jesus Christ is Lord, btw.

>>95909495
>muh IQ
Why are christfags such redditors?

>>95909495
>IQ
Like anyone gives a fuck

>>95909503
>>95909495
>>95909489
>>95909495
>>95909505
>>>/pol/
You don't belong here.

>>95909495
Hawking died a while ago, who's new best?

>>95909509
Neither do you

>>95909489
I mean Islam gets to do it
Why should they have all the fun

>>95909529
Shhhh, you can't say that
Muslims are a protected class

>>95909526
Nah, I'm more /tg/ than you can ever dream to be. ;^)

>>95909495
If you're talking about that one bouncer with the moustache, his IQ has never been proven and nothing he's written nor said in interviews shows he's got anything higher than a slightly above average IQ and a narcissistic personality disorder.

>>95909559
Prove it

>>95909529
all three abrahamic religions are boring and make for bad TTRPG fuel

>>95909495
Only retarded people make a big deal about IQ.

>>95909434
which setting?

>>95909662
He didn't ignore the obvious bait that you couldn't

>>95909302 (OP)
I'm the Forgotten Realms, atheists get turned into a brick in the Wall of the Faithless

>>95909681
Jainism is cool tho

>>95910666
Like you’re any better

>>95909460
Not OP but,
just like regular conflicts in the setting, but the different deities involved can do what they can to try help their own sides win

>>95909406
Yeah, but the Saxons are broadly doing it wrong. Their god wants to be emulated, not worshipped.

>>95909452
Sorry weeb, you're here forever
>>95909681
Ars Magica proves that wrong, although admittedly it leans more on hermeticism than straight up not!judaism. Gnisticism would also be fun, if only for the potential of going full anime.
>>95911509
>>95909481
Stop feeding him you idiots. Fucking christ.

>>95909452
Anime website.

>>95909467
>>95909475
>>95911579
mad about nothing, as always.

>>95909302 (OP)
I don't get what you're trying to say. In so many settings there are evil wicked gods that it wouldn't make sense to follow what they say and not clash with them. You do that (as a decent at least individual) by aligning yourself with their adversaries who are usually morally good (and the occasional neutral) gods.
You can't be a true atheist in High Fantasy worlds. The only kind of "atheist" in these worlds is the one who knows about their existance but for xyz reason rejects them and tries to do his own thing.

>>95912329
The only real place that you could be an atheist while having an abundance of evidence directly contradicting that is probably in Sigil with the Athar faction, and even then that's only because any belief can be validated there if enough people are convinced of it. Even then, the Athar don't so much dispute the gods exist as they dispute that they're what they say they are and/or even beings worthy of worship in the first place.

>>95911579
>Gnosticism
The game I'm running currently has the primary antagonists be a bunch of Gnostics who found an alien god and want to use its power to destroy physical reality so their souls can transcend.

>>95909302 (OP)
literally any game in any of the Warhammer settings

>>95909460
What I do in my setting is say there's some kind of veil/shroud preventing them from interacting with the world directly in all but the most extreme and exhausting instances, so they have to try to guide mortals of the same faith and hope for the best they get along (they usually don't).

>>95912549
I mean depending on which one you go with the Warhammer gods are either
>puppets used by the evil chaos gods
>mostly powerless assholes
>strong mortal wizards and not actual gods
>powerful but really stupid and immoral assholes (age of sigmar and 40k)
Lots of memeing on Christians ITT but part of Warhammer's DNA was to legit be the opposite, an Angry Atheist take on religion instead.

>>95909460
>How would you handle interfaith conflicts where active gods are a thing?
Matter bad, spirit/soul good.

>/tg/ too stupid to recognize a troll thread
I'm apparently the smartest person in the room here and that is just sad.

>>95909302 (OP)
>Have there been any campaigns where serving the gods is 100% the moral option
Yes, mine. The players have received hints of direct divine intervention.
>and the atheists are obviously idiots?
I run the gods as distant, acting through their chosen prophets rather than directly manifesting, so faith is still necessary and different cultures have reached different conclusions about the nature of the divine. As part of that, it's technically possible for one to arrive at an atheistic viewpoint, but it's not common to do so.

>>95913221
> run the gods as distant, acting through their chosen prophets rather than directly manifesting, so faith is still necessary and different cultures have reached different conclusions about the nature of the divine. As part of that, it's technically possible for one to arrive at an atheistic viewpoint, but it's not common to do so.
This is how I do it. Good taste.

>>95909452
Anime website fag

>>95909593
It's a korean guy named YoungHoon Kim

>>95913221
A reasonable approach, I like it.

>>95912837
>part of Warhammer's DNA was to legit be the opposite, an Angry Atheist take on religion instead.
As much as this is an accurate assertion, it will never not be funny that the Big E's attempts to impose militant, humanist atheism as an ideology backfired on every level

>Promoted ignorance rather than knowledge
>Alienated one of his sons which set the dominos in motion for the Horus Heresy
>Removed one of the strongest defenses against Chaos corruption
>Plan wouldn't even work because Chaos isn't powered by religion, it's powered by strong emotions. The only way to permanently destroy Chaos is to destroy all life with souls in the universe (including humanity)
>Currently more God than man and is helpless to stop his own quasi-apotheosis

It's the equivalent of the world's biggest tankie stumbling their way into becoming the CEO of an anarcho-capitalist utopia and being helpless as their shares increase infinitely

>>95909302 (OP)
Are you still seething about the critical role fags running a bootleg Time of Trubles ?
We already had an entire thread about that

>>95913283
and what he have done to prove his IQ ?

>>95909495
Did I? Weird, I must've been really drunk.

>>95913305
That's what you get when his three main writers have 3 different interpretations of him.
>a militant atheist who is always correct (graham macneil)
>dead and not even real, just a stand-in for Religion Bad (rick priestley)
>a raging idiot, literally a stand in of the writer's dad who he hates (adb)

>>95909460
the true creator god prefers working in really roundabout, vague ways where he puts hints and nudges about him being there and the right way to do things.

>>95912531
Nice. My current villain is trying g to usurp the setting's One Trve God type of deity (which technically shouldn't be possible, but it's concerning that some very powerful beings to think otherwise).

>>95913283
>276 IQ
You can tell he's not actually that smart because he'd know that it's not possible to measure IQ that high because that's not how IQ tests work.

>>95909302 (OP)
>Whines about MUH humanizms
>posts degenerate coombait

Do christcucks really?

>>95909495
>experts say

>>95909302 (OP)
How did this topic impact your last game night? Be detailed and specific.

Iconoclasm is the opposition to religious icons, not to religion itself.
Iconoclasm =/= atheism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx27wa0SpN4

You know who else had had IQs?

>>95909302 (OP)
>Calls humanism a cult
>Acts like a cultist

>>95909495
Smart people say and do stupid shit all the time.

>>95909495
If you're high iq you know from experience there are 0 human beings on earth that aren't retarded, even the very best of us are dumb animals

>>95915675
You're a complete retard if that's your read on ADB. The man literally wrote the Master of Mankind and Helreach, he understands the Emperor and Imperium perfectly. Unless you're some coping and seething faggot who thinks an 8 foot tall Athiest wearing golden religious iconography should also be written as a le heckin chungus who loves you and can do nothing wrong (ignore the galactic omnicide, it's totally 100% necessary trust me) then ADB has the best portrayal of the Emperor.

>>95913139
Every thread on /tg/ is a troll thread, are you that slow? This is the "I'm outgrowing my own ability to take myself seriously while still being so attached to my hobbies so I need a cope to make my experiences taken from them more real and valid then other people's experiences by creating fake and gay new metrics for what makes someone a real trademark symbol /tg/ player" board. No one is here to have fun.

>>95921399
Sums up every "is 40k grimdark anymore" conversation. Fandom wants sloperor of redditkind, fandom gets a watered down version of the tone of everything that version of the emperor affects. The literal entire notion of what a human is in 40k shifts away from what it used to be but if you attribute the change to what actually caused it you're a tourist who didn't read the 6 million BOOKS it takes to be a real fan of a GAME

>>95910645
Goblin Slayer. The gods of the world are literally a group of entities that have created the world as a huge game, not unlike a TTRPG, and routinely fill it with horrors and heroes to defeat those horrors and roll dice and regularly manipulate reality in order to create the most interesting stories and adventures in their world. Goblin Slayer is very particular in that he's not bound by the whims or machinations of the gods, but is also not under their protection or blessings, and simply acts autonomously as a strategizing and hard-working adventurer who gets by. The silliness of the setting is such that races are divided between Praying races and Non-Praying races(get it?).

All of this is noted because the Goblins of the setting are pretty vicious in that they are an all-male species that repopulates extraordinarily fast, and can only do so by kidnapping females of different Praying races and routinely raping them so that they produce more and more goblins. They're also very sadistic, extremely selfish, and in their setting, are deceptively dangerous because heroes are still ultimately just humans who need to be very tactical in how they fight or they get stabbed once and die from a goblin's shit-smeared rusty dagger poisoning them. The gods are just as much noble and loving of their loyal followers as they are ecstatic to create nightmarish monsters who ruin the world on a constant basis.

>>95909302 (OP)
>Have there been any campaigns where serving the gods is 100% the moral option, and the atheists are obviously idiots?
Delta Green

>>95922163
furthermore, the story most notably happened as a result of the author and friends modified Sword World game campaign.

>>95917902
>Do christcucks really?
The Church used to run whorehouses, anon.
Thomas D'Aquinas himself said using whores was much preferable to the alternative of becoming a sad mean old man.

>>95909302 (OP)
>Have there been any campaigns where serving the gods is 100% the moral option, and the atheists are obviously idiots?
literally 95% of published dungeons and dragons settings.
There are objectively Good deities who literally reward their believers with 100000000000 years of paradise with 72 virgins or whatever equivalent in Greyhawk, the Forgotten Realms, even Dragonlance. The only real exceptions are Eberron where there's a purgatory underworld that souls stay in before passing on to the actual afterlife which is purposefully a mystery with no answer so DMs can decide whatever they want.

Literal biblical God/YHWH is also 100% real and actually exists in the World of Darkness and so do the Archangels like Gabriel and Raphael, being a genuine believer in God allows you to fend off creatures of evil and darkness with your mere presence, there is an afterlife and being a vampire means they're damned and won't get to enter heaven unless they beg forgiveness from God during gehenna.

>>95912837
>but part of Warhammer's DNA was to legit be the opposite, an Angry Atheist take on religion instead

Fedora nu-lore, Priestly said emps is a god.

>>95921399
I've never cared for any of adb's books and I'd rather have Matt Ward come back for a revival of the spiritual liege days than for adb to continue to be gainfully employed by gw.

>>95909302 (OP)
>Have there been any campaigns where serving the gods is 100% the moral option
This absolutely can be possible without gods actually existing.

If gods existed then theere wouldn't be religion.
You don't worship technology.
And the Mechanicus only do it because they don't actually understand how they work.

>>95909452
cope

>>95926777
anyone have a source for this?
yarr harr harr me hearties.

>>95909302 (OP)
The problem is that to make "god(s)" a moral option, you have to actually hold them responsible for anything happening as actual character(s), instead of being treated like acts of nature that are just vaguely influenced by personal choices of life.

>>95912837
Emps may have beem wrong about a lot of things but he was not amoral, he had a very strong set of morals he stuck by.

>>95926403
The entire horus heresy book series was a massive mistake. The setting was 100% better when that era was mostly mythological. Thankfully the books can be safely ignored.

>>95922163
>Goblin Slayer
>created the world as a huge game
>not bound by the whims or machinations of the gods
Duh, the problem with this shit is that it draw upon the very definition of Free-will & Sapience and Meaning of existence.

If "sapient" creatures are merely the NPC of a game played by actual persons, logic dictate they don't have any responsibility or free-will, the rules are knows and outcome of the game is expected.
The characters is 100% bound by the whims of the gods for those being the very reasons he both exist and is able to "refuse" praying for them he's just a variable of procedurally generated NPC you can't control directly.

OOTS has its flaws but at least the gods are trying to sustain themselves and don't have any better mean than farming soul food.

>>95909302 (OP)
>thinking the gods aren't colluding with each others
The game was rigged from the very start anon.
You are nothing but cows in the chute, and fighting dogs for their personal amusement.

>>95909681
Again, Pendragon and Ars Magica. Granted they shouldn't be the ONLY game in town fantasy-wise but they can be a lot of fun.
>>95912531
Ace. Mine's a bit different in that the ruling pantheon are flawed assholes but scientific materialism is very much an accidental cult to Yaldaboath (the "Serpent" is a Roko's Basilisk like accretion of all our potential post-human futures which abandon familiar PoVs simultaneously reaching back in time and strangling the gods).
>>95926049
And yet OP persists in gargling cocks as obnoxiously as possible.

>>95914209
>>95917172
He proved it here.

Reminder that if you have a problem with this, you don't belong on this site.

>>95926561
>If gods existed then theere wouldn't be religion.
Not in the modern christian faith-centric sense
But there would be religion in the old pagan way based around doing rituals and performing acts that please the gods to court their favor, action mattering more than faith

>>95927179
Define free will

>>95929757
It's that thing you're missing to stop shitposting and go do something useful for once.

>>95909302 (OP)
My current campaign consist in the players discovering a ruined temple guarding some ancient lore and receiving visions from the gods
The visions allowed them figure out how to properly translate and interpret the inscriptions and craft ritual to commune more easily
After a few quest to recover lore and artifacts, and after receiving some blessings and divine gifts the players are starting their rebellion against a tyrant that spend the last centuries to subduing all races under his empire and erase all religion and connection with the divine

I like the ones where the gods don't really conform to human ideas of morality and learning how to work within their nature to achieve beneficial outcomes and avoid their wrath is part of the challenge. Like the Lords or Order in DC comics. They're usually happy to give Dr. Fate super powers so he can fight criminals, but if a big villain like Brainiac comes along who wants to destroy the world and put the remains in a museum or turn it into computer data, depending on the decade, they'll screw Dr. Fate over because it'd be more orderly that way.

>>95926961
I have a physical copy of it

>>95909302 (OP)
There's plenty:
Wolves of God
Harnworld
ACKS (and ACKS 2)
AD&D
Lion and Dragon
The One Ring has real Valar and "Good and Evil" are real concepts
You could play a part of the Vatican in World of Darkness/Hunter
Sword and Caravan

I could go on.... Deus Vult!

>>95927083
Plenty of ways around this. Including:
>God works in mysterious ways beyond our comprehension and the world allows for the forces of evil to also work in it (e.g. Christian theology)
>God or the Gods have some restriction with how they can intervene with the word
>God is a route to divinity that people follow but is elevated in the realm beyond our world and therefore isn't directly impacting it (except through His followers)

>>95927179
I appreciate the effortpost but the guy was pretty clear that in this Goblin Slayer world (not sure if it has a name) the sapience of a creature has to do with the race.

>>95927209
I forgot Pendragon and Ars Magica... excellent additions to the list here: >>95932217

>>95930458
I personally find Chaos and Warhammer worldbuilding cringe.

>>95932197
kek

>>95909369
>atheistfag jimmies getting rustled
Stop projecting sweatie.

>>95927125
>Thankfully the books can be safely ignored
You'd be surprised about the amount of secondaries who call themselves real fans because they slurp BL shit instead of actually playing games.

>>95930281
Every time

>>95909462
>>95911932
>>95913263
>>95911579
Tranime does not belong here

>>95935034
Says who?

>>95927083
you don't *have* to do anything, there's a ton of ways of getting out of that, the most common if which is muh free will

>>95909452
Anon.
In order to call them out you would've also needed to be able to recognize the anime.
So, by way of your own decree, you can follow them out the door.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.

>>95932245
>>God works in mysterious ways beyond our comprehension and the world allows for the forces of evil to also work in it (e.g. Christian theology)
That's the lazy cope-out of not making them characters, just laws of nature that just happen to react to poorly defined concepts of good/evil.
>>God or the Gods have some restriction with how they can intervene with the word
That's making them characters and making responsible for their actions toward super-god or any reasons that required the restrictions
>>God is a route to divinity that people follow but is elevated in the realm beyond our world and therefore isn't directly impacting it (except through His followers)
If I understand that one, that's Cultivation powerlevel ladder where you need followers to have god-like power. Obviously characters, but then you don't actually have god(s) who created the realm and its inhabitant, unless it's also a chain where once you become god you create your own world, ad infinitum.

>the sapience of a creature has to do with the race.
You missed the point.
When you are a god creating creatures for a purpose, you are expected to know/have set their limits, even if they sometime surprise your near-omniscient mind.
So UNLESS you make the plot "creature surpass master", sapient creature are no more relevant than a simulated farm animal, or that Black White game.

>>95909452
Anime site, predditor

>>95935034
According to your screenshot it does, lol

>>95909302 (OP)
Cuck

>>95926147
Priestley was the original fedora tipper who said he didn't like that the emperor became a real god because Priestley's intent was for him to be a corpse with a cult following as a jab at religion. And all of the old GW guys afaik were also full on Religion Bad atheists. Let

>>95927194
This is what I've been hammering for my own interpretation of D&D cosmology.

Celestials and Devils both want a steady stream of mortal souls. Celestials are nicer about it and drain you slowly while Devils will slap you around and get the soul juice they crave out of you.

They are essentially two sides of the same coin but want to make sure mortals arn't fucked up bad enough.

Demons don't give a shit and will slurp every mortal soul they get like juice boxes with no care or concern.

This is the expressed reason they created Gods to help them deal with Demons.

>>95909302 (OP)
Yes. Play Black Crusade.

>>95912906
My little demiurge can't be this cute!

>>95909302 (OP)
>cult of humanism
That's not why. Certain people in western cultures have a hateboner for the idea that religion is good. At least, religions that are predominantly white in the places they live.

>>95927083
>hold them responsible for anything happening
You're confusing fictional pantheons with modern monotheism, when one god is responsible for everything, so religions have to have cop out answers for the bad things that happen in life. In a fictional pantheon this does not apply, because these deities are not portrayed as omnipotent, and they're not an unopposed force, evil gods do exist, they're not actually responsible for everything.

>>95935034
Go and stay go

>>95945383
Was a key reason for philosophy as well, the gods weren't moral arbitrators, mankind had to figure that out itself.

>>95945740
This is the influence of D&D and how it handles deities, with domains and portfolios. There should be gods who are good, not gods of Good.

>>95945835
So Mystara Immortals
They don't have set domains, only land patronage to things they are interested in

>>95945364
But catholics are predominantly brown

>>95932217
>deus vult
Anon, unless it features the real Christian religion, it is pagan idolatry. "Thou shall have no gods before Me"
Playing a fantasy RPG as an atheist is literally the Christian thing to do

>>95946616
>God can't differentiates playing pretend in a game from real worship

>>95909302 (OP)
The tricky bit is that in a setting where gods verifiably and provably exist, worship of them is no longer a matter of religious faith but instead just following orders from a higher being. If the people are keenly and distinctly aware of the fact that their deity is wholly benevolent and explicitly acts in favor of its flock, there's no reason whatsoever for conflict to exist, because randoms in the world would simply rush to the higher power who is making the world a better place, and iconoclasts, anti-theists, and the like would be seen as retards to be immediately rejected or isolated because the deity is verifiably making things better. At that point the conflict is either nonexistent, because having a genuinely all-around Good God(dess) in charge means that problems are resolved by man or god in a Noblebright setting and thus the only issues are extremely temporary at their most explosive.

Alternatively, you could make it so there are worshippers of BAD GOD while Good God has worshippers for different reasons, but at that point there's still a clear delineation between the two and it's even more questionable to worship anything other than Good God and maybe at the worst be slightly concerned or have questions about why Good God does this, rather than just overtake the world as a higher being/sociopathic monster to begin with, and then we have to turn Good God into "God of X", wherein any failure to adhere to its tenets justifies some measure of rebellion or revolution against it by those who do not agree. Even in Shin Megami Tensei, the setting where gods are almost constantly shown to be monstrous assholes, YHVH's biggest problem with humanity is literally only that with hteir free will, they inevitably both turn on His creations and destroy the world in a bid for freedom AND pray to Him to bring all of the world salvation as "Freedom" is overrated.

>>95946706
Of course God can differentiate it. But if you play a game and the concept of fighting a god is somehow wrong to you then it seems you can't differentiate it yourself, especially because Moloch and Ba'al were the 'gods' of rival tribes to the Israelites and are now known to be demons

‘No gods,’ he repeated. ‘Random confluence of celestial phenomena. Interdimensional disasters, echoing outwards through our perceptions. I think, therefore I am. They do not, so they are not.’ He met the Quaestor’s bland gaze unflinchingly. ‘Gods are for the weak. I am not weak.’

>>95946790
>"GODS could be here" he thought, "I've never been to this sector before. There could be GODS anywhere." The psychic wind felt good against his smooth brain. "I HATE GODS" he thought. I'm Alive by Disturbed reverberated his entire armour armour, making it pulsate even as the genetically modified blood circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of gods after dark. "With a power suit, you can go anywhere you want!" he said to himself, out loud.

>>95946616
It's why even Tolkein and Lewis HAD to tie their not!Jesus's back into the "real" thing. There's no room for play pretend when your entire raison d'etre is already a larp.

>>95909302 (OP)
Yes the campaign is real life and my deity has been calling on me to fight the ontological evil that is you

>>95948861
What about entomological evil?

>>95928162
So, where is the proof? If just saying something is proof, then son you need to go to bed, as your dad I'm gonna be fucking your mom and if you're anywhere near awake once I'm done with her your ass is next.

>>95945383
Imperfect Pantheons are no less a cop out than a monotheist god, especially since Pantheons tend to have an overarching singular super-god responsible for creating the world while they (good&evil gods) "only rule over specific aspects" to the point of irrelevant.
Sometime with an abandonment/disappearance twist, going back to the singular super-god only remaining as a "don't question it" singular force.

The point remain that if you want supporting god(s), to be a moral option, then those gods need to be responsible for what's happening.
Not just be name-dropped as the reason the human use white magic while the monster use dark magic.

It's the difference between
>Man use "good" magic to do horrible evil-by-any-name things "in the name of good" without ever loosing his power or expecting an answer when he pray.
Versus
>Man followed a god directive all his life, then one of those directive make him change his mind and follow another, taking followers with him, his ex-god take note and but only to reach his objective better next time.

>>95946747
>because randoms in the world would simply rush to the higher power who is making the world a better place
>because the deity is verifiably making things better
We are naturally suspicious of deal "too good to be true". We would even rather invent a non-interventionist god and claim the (real) superior being is a devil seeking to gain control of your soul.
That or following the "GOOD GODDESS OF GOODNESS" is safe but boring as fuck, or you think she's overbearing and sap the human spirit, or think the world is better with multiple nuance of goodness than one.

>>95941176
I fucking love Erebus

>>95952916
Erebus did everything wrong.

>>95945880
>Doesn't know about my Spheres.

>>95958500
The spheres are not like domains, but more of ideological school the immortals subscribe to and they can change their allegiances

>>95932039
so do I.
>>95926961
check one of the JTRPG troves, should be the one that actually has stuff in it.

>>95946747
I just don't understand why it's even an issue.
>God tells you to kill Evil and the people he doesn't it.
>You do it.
>You're rewarded with a blissful afterlife.
It's that simple, I don't see a problem. You fight for one team, Evil fights for the other, presto.

>>95927083
>the theodicy question
just do not make your gods all-knowing, all-powerful AND all-good. There is no dilemma if you just remove one aspect.

>>95962493
this. the problem of evil is not unsolvable, it's just that christians want to eat their cake and have it too.

>>95962493
>>95963056
The problem is that you need to remove more than one aspect and the third "all-good" was subjective to begin with.
And it usually result in gods just being overpowered mage.

>>95946616
Presumably you aren't actually worshiping DND gods.

>>95948855
THAT is how you get idolatry. Saying a lion or Eru or whoever is your real god is bad shit.

>>95917172
NTA. I know that IQ is based on a standard deviation of 15 and an average of 100. I don't think there are even enough people in the world to represent the population distribution necessary to allow a data point at over 11 standard deviations.

>>95964831
That's more or less the issue. People who brag about their 200+ IQ levels seemingly don't know how IQ tests work and don't actually understand that it's not really possible to measure beyond so many standard deviations. Or they expect that you don't know that either, so when they tell you they have an IQ that literally cannot be measured on any given test or metric, you just think it sounds super impressive.

It's honestly fascinating that so many of the "I have the highest IQ" con-men never seem to have an interviewer that asks how the fuck they tested outside of the theoretical limits of any real IQ test.