If you can carry a large chest up stairs, you can break through a stone wall.

>>95909915 (OP)
Lets stress test that
For 15 Your grown human shouldnt weigh too much over 80kg. Deadlifting 80 isnt that special but it depends on what lift means. Ohp 80kg is pretty special, but either case is enough for wooden doors given time

Above that is 25. A horse can weigh up to 500kg, we'll say 350 to be fair. Squatting 350 is getting close to a world record and ohp would be insane. If you're a world class powerlifter then yeah, a thin unmortared stone wall is not going to be too much of an issue even without tools

Now at 20, thats halfway between 80 and 350, so we'll say 200kg
If you can lift three people at once i reckon you can smash down a stone wall if you have any kind of tool available. Kids can knock bricks out of walls without too much trouble, so it checks out

>>95910015
fpbp
Good thread everyone.

>>95909915 (OP)
A wooden treasure chest is going to be 80-100lbs of dead weight at minimum, maybe up to 200 if it's a sturdy one. Think about the weight of a wooden door then double it, that's the floor of a large chest's weight, and that's not even getting into its size and having to actually hold the thing.

It's not like a barbell or a sack, chests are not designed to be carried or lifted by a single person.

>>95910409
Additionally, the other example is a tipping a "laden cart" as in "a cart filled with a heavy load" meaning that the chest is likely also loaded and heavily so, for its size.

>>95909915 (OP)
what the fuck

>>95910015
>if you have any kind of tool available
wow you just couldn't be honest for once in your fucking life could you?
yeah well with dc20 I can build stonehenge by myself I just need some beams and counterweights and ten years and quarried blocks and oops I rolled 30 I can arm wrestle zeus

>>95909915 (OP)
I'm assuming it means the chest is full of gold and jewels which do weigh enough that solo lifting them up (not just dragging them) a flight of stairs would be pretty impressive

>>95909915 (OP)
>Subdue a child

>>95910946
Kek

>>95910409
Except for the handles right
fucking dumbass

>>95910935
Its just napkin math, why are you so upset? If theres something wrong with my estimate just post the rest of the rules where it states all example DCs are for checks made without equipment

>>95910015
World record squat is way higher then that. Vlad Alzahov squatted 525kg raw, and if you want to go super raw you've got 490kg by Ray Williams.

Lifting a grown man usually means picking up a body as if it's dead weight. Thats far harder then deadlifting or maybe even overhead pressing an cooperating person.

>>95909915 (OP)
Yeah seems fine.

>>95911281
Wow, i didnt know quats were so much higher than deadlifts

>>95910974
>single person
And that's for transporting, a chest of that size is normally in its permanent location once placed down.

>>95910974
You've never touched grass

>*casts disintegrate*

>>95911222
>I made some shit up to sidestep the argument now you have to prove me wrong
lol eat shit

>>95911942
nta but just admit you forgot about the handles lol

>>95909915 (OP)
>subdue a child
whew

>hefting a large chest as a measurement of strength
Classic

>>95910935
Anon, "tool" can just mean a hammer, stick, or suitably handy object with which to exert force. You have a horribly narrow view of what "tool" can mean and jump to extremes like a neurotic pest.

>>95914354
And when that chest is >5' wide how the fuck are you going to get a decent grip on both handles?

>>95914443
You're absolutely seething because someone called out your silly pilpul. Get wrecked dummy.

>>95914444
Nice digits chests are all greater than five feet wide now are they? Go ahead and show us in in the rulebook you're so fond of where that is stated or you are just making shit up because you lost.

>>95914354
Handles on chests are typically so two people can carry it together

>>95914481
(You)

>>95914491
nta, and I know we're all retarded here. But the picture specifically calls out a difference in a normal chest and a "large" chest.

>>95916194
lol and just so we're clear the large chest needs to be wider than a big man can grab on both sides for that guy's argument because he forgot about handles

*splits Strength into chest-carrying, bar-bending, wall-breaking, grappling, jumping and swimming*
You're welcome

>>95916689
Thanks Gygax

>>95916689
oops got 30 I backflipped through a stone wall with the help of a green twig and then beat quetzalcoatl at thumb war

>>95909915 (OP)
What the fuck is this trash?
>filename
Oh... doesn't this voluntarily include the combat wheelchair meme into the core? Even current year "D&D" didn't do that...

>>95914438
Just admit all the meat that should've gone to your brains went to your tits shitty goddess.

>>95910935
yes if your character had the tools, the materials, the skills and the time they could build a stonehenge
what's your argument against that?

>>95909915 (OP)
So weeds have a strength of at least 20? Good to know.

>>95920213
It's a roll of twenty, not a score of twenty.
And given weeds have all the time in the world, if the GM allows for it, they can easily take twenty over several years of effort.

>>95918039
Another stealth shilling thread for Faggershart. How many is that this month?

>>95920937
I don't think mocking it relentlessly and watching anyone defending it getting destroyed is "shilling" for it lol, it's clearly awful and the people defending it are retards.

>>95919859
That's the point, anyone with any strength score can do anything with the proper tools and enough time. Engineering. His argument was that this retarded chart was reasonable if you just let the characters apply engineering to the strength stat table.

>>95922378
When there's so few active threads and the only ones that are actually about systems and games are for Faggershart or Scarytown, what we have is something functionally indistinguishable from shilling.

>>95922918
Eh, I dunno man I think the whole "no publicity is bad publicity" thing has come and gone, at this point 99% of the publicity for every game I see is people talking about why they will never play it. D&D and Shadowrun both have new versions that absolutely nobody is playing and are so distasteful that nobody will even argue about why they suck other than to universally make fun of them (while one tranny who will never play them either rabidly defends them for The Narrative).
Making fun of dogshit games is good, it shows up and coming game designers what not to do if they want to be successful.

I wrote a homebrew campaign frame for Daggerheart: Divine Heroes of Modern-Day Earth, heavily inspired by Godbound.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Vw4-EKpOZJ9rIxjGvy_h7yCY4pEao-gBY-3rLMdkvzE/edit

>>95909915 (OP)
>STR Roll 5
>Subdue a child.
When I was four-years-old, I had to get a blood test done, but had no idea what was going on and I was absolutely terrified of needles. I remember a doctor or nurse showed me the needle with some stupid bowtie plastic piece on it and tried to tell me it was a butterfly. I was a gullible kid, but I wasn't that stupid.
It took four people to hold down my arms and legs and one to use the needle and even then, it took my grandfather talking me down to let it get done.

>>95925858
y?

>>95925975

I was interested in the game. That is it.