Is this dead?

>>95917989 (OP)
It’s completely ossified and only attracts newcomers to the Reddit who think the gay art and gay conversations mean the game is good. I’ve had fun with LANCER but it has no future.

>>95918162
you could have just said yeah main development is done, but you decided to /pol/faggot instead

>>95918178
It's a culture war game, anon.

>>95918178
nta but development is not done, they have been adding new supplements and books to it ever since it got picked up by some new writers and artists after the original guy stepped back, and they have his blessing, so it is still being actively worked on.

>>95917989 (OP)
not dead, this board just has a dedicated hate cult for it so it doesnt get talked about here. you'll need to go to reddit or discord to actually have a meaningful conversation about the game that isnt going to get bogged down by chuds.

>>95918178
Anon when someone makes a game about how communism is the best and the game is about spreading the good word of communism to the evil nasty flyover states I mean periphery planets, it's hardly /pol/ to notice that.

>>95918186
>dedicated hate cult
I'm noticing that more and more. For everything. If it isn't one of the Big Things, whether that be in TTRPGs or war games, people shit all over it.

My group just picked it up recently, and we're having fun. GM is running Wallflower first before we do a KTB homebrew campaign. Having fun with pingponigning around with the zheng and starting a football league in evergreen.

>>95917989 (OP)
>Is this dead?
Not according to my players.

And while I don't like (non-friend) Discord servers or social media, I hear that new supplements are still getting released. I picked one or two up for my current campaign.

>>95918186
>dedicated hate cult
It's called shitposting and baiting anon.

Wait till Lancer Tactics gets a full release
The wargaming aspect gets fully automated and they can focus on improving the fuckass roleplay aspect

>>95918540
nah this ones different. start a lancer general and see what happens. they literally flamed the generals with /pol/posting so hard it took up 100+ posts in every thread until people stopped making generals. it was a coordinated chud raid that always used the same political talking points endlessly

>>95918787
what >>95918311 said.
The writers are blatantly political so im not even going to blame them this time, the game brought it upon itself.

>>95917989 (OP)
the designs here make me think that the setting would be improved if Dagoth ur just showed up with Akulakhan and beat the fuck out of everything.

>>95918180
But is it really? Or are you just projecting your own personal terminally online obsessions? The Lancer players I know at my LGS don't even know what /tg/ is and all shit all over Reddit as they are right and good to do.

>>95918740
Lancer is more roleplay friendly than D&D5E. You're just not used to games written for people with a reading level above gradeschool.

>>95917989 (OP)
Nope. At least, I play.
The political aspect of the lore can go fuck itself, though, if your GM knows what they're doing.

>>95918178
>Game is literally political propaganda.
>LITERALLY. No exaggeration.
>"Hurrrdurr why are you making this about politics?!?!"

Retard.

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>>95917989 (OP)
Yes and no.
Yes in the sense that its wider cultural relevance is done growing. I don't think there's any audience of appreciable size that hasn't heard about Lancer that might get into it. It also has a politically vitriolic corona that follows it around, making it so that unless you're a culture leftist transexual, you're unlikely to vibe with it and its community.
No in the sense that there's still content being made for it.
The developers cut the project off at the knees because they were too San Fran faggy. Sometimes I like to imagine what could have happened if the writer was someone who actually liked and understood science fiction instead of a literal queer who referenced Star Trek without ever having watched it.

>>95919077
the only thing politically vitriolic i have ever encountered around the game are posts like yours

>>95919089
That's your PoV because you're an entitled narcissist, and you implicitly have trouble grasping that the world doesn't revolve around yourself. You're also too stupid to understand the causal link between your own shitty behavior, and the negative push-back your behavior provokes in the people you aggravate with your hostile political bullshit.

>>95919067
Lancer is literally the gay Twitter communist version of utopia:
>https://twitter.com/lancer_rpg/status/1123682868557955073
To quote:
>Solidarity to all workers out there on #MayDay, and a reminder that #LancerRPG is a fun lil' robot game set in a communist utopia that wants you to fight to keep it that way.
>Lancer and the politics of the people who write it are linked, and given the day, we feel it's appropriate to make note of that. We'll get back to our game about big robots tomorrow (the leftist game about commie robots fighting against fascists)
It's shit, though.

>>95919130
Pretty much this, the zeitgeist has shifted. Everyone's fucking sick of the leftists, and now they're saying it out loud.

>>95919139
ew gross woke faggots

>>95919145
Yeah. I used to try and argue with people, but I think there's a broad but growing sentiment that there's no reason to bother with that anymore, both because they're already crumbling, and because it's figuratively casting pearls before swine; they just won't listen no matter what and it's a genuine waste of my time.
I just tell people, in one way or another, that I ultimately think they're just mentally ill and I'm done playing ball with their fanfiction alternate reality about what the world is like anymore.
I'm sick of trying to reason with people who can only view the world through a lens of twitter propaganda because they never go outside. These people construct an alternate lore about what's happening in the world based on Twitter/Reddit/Discord propaganda, and then they try acting on it like it's real.
The world they live in is literally less real than a fucking video game. I'm done acting like this bullshit is sane, or like they can be talked out of it. They're just going to be stupid and fucking crazy because they're delusional and in a cult, and that's that.
It's akin to trying to explain that the WWE is fake and exists for entertainment to someone who just WILL NOT hear it. The political BS these people believe in is on the same tier as an entertainment franchise.

>>95919197
At a certain point we'll probably be hunting them through the streets, so really words are just wasted breath.

>shitty 4E ripoff, made by assholes who don't know enough about mecha as a genre to understand what they're aping yet present themselves as the second coming of Christ for mecha tabletop gaming
I fucking wish it would die

>>95918863
It's an improv session with 2d6
I've played a half dozen systems, and their roleplay is more satisfying than lancer.
It's a blatant Blades in The Dark ripoff, too.
And at the end of the day, every Lancer roleplay session exists to get you to the mech combat. Anything you say or do is just flavor and maybe a small advantage to a pre-determined battle. That's why it's frustrating to even try and make original missions to it. Because the battles have to be pre-determined if you wanna figure out enemy balance and build a battlemap.
It's just vague improv connecting hours long wargaming sessions. That's the reason I soured on the game.

>>95919321
>Skill Triggers don't exist.
>Having rules to let the roleplay meaningfully affect combat is somehow bad.
Nobody believes you've even played the game, let alone played it enough to sour on it.

I think its a fun wargame just make up your own world and setting never understood how this was an issue.

>>95918816

>>95917989 (OP)
Sadly no, not yer.

>>95918178
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>>95919067
Lancer is quite literally 4e dnd with the numbers filed off and a big sign over the pc's head saying "THIS IS A MECH NOT AN ELF". Oh, sorry, I forgot, technically your the pilot but there's minimal rules for player interaction outside of the mech. The game openly states that the big good that the players are supposed to work for is an lgbtq communist utopia (Trve Communism, comrade) and that all the Periphery states your conquering are evil chudstates that are run by white men (evil) and don't care about xers feelings (unforgiveable). Want to play as chudists fighting against the inexorable tide of dev mandated "good guys". There's no money or real loot as such things are against the communist values, and you can just 3d print mechs and parts at whim. The only reward is that as you progress you get given goodboy rewards in the form of access to new parts.
But what if you want to go rogue? To fight to defend the bad chuddies against the tide of state mandated queerness? Well, you can, but the game openly states that any result that sees the rainbow utopia suffer any real setback is actually a calculation in queerbot ai's quantum scenario calculations that it then takes steps to ensure never happens.
Oh, and the mechs? Actually irrelevant. Because all the actual fighting is done by hyper advanced warships firing paracausial weapons from galaxies away. Your just the propaganda department/cleaners.

Factor in to this that the devs have openly stated that they hate mech franchises and the /m/echa genre, and that they have never watched any of the core shows, and tell me what your conclusions are.

>>95919399
I am referring to the skill triggers when I say 2d6
Why the fuck else would I bring it up
I've got a mountain of lancer spirtes and self made maps if you wanna see if you're interested in talking about it rather than lazily trolling.

>>95919521
> Factor in to this that the devs have openly stated that they hate mech franchises and the /m/echa genre, and that they have never watched any of the core shows, and tell me what your conclusions are.
Source? Cause that’d be weird if true, a lot of my ultra leftist friends love mecha shit with how often evil space empires get their minions get their shit blown up

To me, the thing that kills the sense of stakes in Lancer is how the main faction has this super AI that can just blow up the reactor of any vaguely threatening hostile fleet so long as there is a single patrol craft in the system for it to operate from.

>>95917989 (OP)
No. It's still the best superhero skirmish system.

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>>95919820
That's kind of Lancer's pitfall; since there is no need to aid in the defense of the Union's territory to protect their way of life, the only way your party matters is if they go full white man's burden on the savage periphery, violently replacing their culture with friend computer's perfectly calculated morally-acceptable substitute.
There's a faction like that which exists in Star Trek's Starfleet Battles books known as the Interstellar Concordium that the already (if less fanatically) hippie, communist United Federation of Planets considers to be insufferable imperialist thugs who break as many societies as they save with their self-righteous meddling since they do not have a Prime Directive.

>>95919735
nta but they're insanely dismissive towards mech media in their interviews. Saying how mech shows are weird and they just didn't bother/weren't interested. The most they said is that one thought votoms is one of the good ones because it's "like the anti-mech!", and if you're a mech fan you'll recognize that as an extremely disagreeable stance.


A lot of diehard types bounce off when they realize how influential gundam's "the enemy soldiers are just people like us too", because it leads into a LOT of media about how the enemy is noble even if you disagree with and fight against their cause. Zeon aren't just a basic fashy goon stereotype for amuro to punch, which becomes very clear as the show goes on. It's usually only a matter of time for people to turn on it and call it "clean wehrmacht".

>>95919873
>votoms is one of the good ones because it's "like the anti-mech!"
I think I just got a brain clot from how stupid that is

> A lot of diehard types bounce off when they realize how influential gundam's "the enemy soldiers are just people like us too", because it leads into a LOT of media about how the enemy is noble even if you disagree with and fight against their cause
Okay, that makes much more sense. Most of my leftist friends tend to justify their love by pointing to the Titans or Britannia’s empire and going “soldiers can be decent people, it’s the leaders that are evil fascists to be overthrown”. But I guess it’s like different tribes.

>>95919521

How to fuck RA:

>Get as many AIs (they are AI, whatever the space LGBCommies want to politely call them) as you can and offer them to do what they want if they become one
>Just play along RA's commandment
>Create AMON
>Make the two AI collide and fuse
>Create AMON-RA
>Just delete the galaxy and make it reset

Congratulation: you won Lancer

This is all very disheartening to hear as I like some of the mech designs and concepts, especially the supernatural seeming ones

>>95919873
>Zeon aren't just a basic fashy goon stereotype for amuro to punch
They also killed millions so that they could free us of Australian shitposters, yes.

>>95919933
Game is great, awesome wargame.
You can homebrew the story if you want and play.

I've played Lancer for a bit, and I /feel/ like a cyberpunk-like "buy upgrades and pay rent" would work better.
You're scrappy pilots taking on contracts in a lawless galaxy, applying your morality and weighing it against your need to pay for repairs and living space.

>>95919197
Imagine every giving them qn inch to begin with.

>>95919983
You could just get CP2020 Maximum Metal for that and it would work way better. Set that shit in Africa, which in CP2020 is even a bigger shithole than in the real world, and you would have more than enough space for your mercs to rove around in their ACPAs and even some bigger stuff.

>>95917989 (OP)
Idk, go check if there are any recent or upcoming books. As far as communities go the game is easy enough to play they aren't all that necessary. Any 5e moron can learn this shit after a session.

>>95919983
You could run it as Outlaw Star.

Is Lancer the Borderlands 3 of TRPGS?

>>95920080
No.

>>95917989 (OP)
Was it ever alive?

>>95919521
>Factor in to this that the devs have openly stated that they hate mech franchises and the /m/echa genre, and that they have never watched any of the core shows, and tell me what your conclusions are.
I've heard from a mech fan that it all feels really fake. That they only grudgingly use mechs because it's an easy way to sell their stuff but they hate it and only want to use it to trick others into giving them money.

>>95917989 (OP)
Purely mechanically, it has a life as a fundamentally flawed but entertaining Baby's First Mech Game. Narratively, it's a fucking dumpster fire. In both cases, play Mekton instead.

>>95919968
The mecha fantasy typically requires leaning into either a super robot or real robot direction, and they don't usually mix very well. You kinda have to pick one or another. The mechanics-creator picked super-robot, but then the writers had some of the mechs as themed towards being 'gritty' and 'realistic', which flatly does not work.
Even in a super robot system, while the mechs themselves may be characters in large amounts- the actual pilots are just as essential and you need mechanics that support the characters input into the machine. It's not enough to have a big robot character, you also need robust rules for building characters, those characters 'inherent traits' contributing to the fight, and those characters fighting and interacting with things independently of their big robot.
It's not just about the Mazinger Z, it's equally about Koji Kabuto and his unstoppable drive to defend the world from Dr. Hell. It's not just about the Getter battling the Dinosaur Army, it's also about the Trio of Pilots who are manly and crazy enough to survive piloting it.
If you want to have a super-robot style game, you need mechanics for your pilots. This isn't optional. It's a critical subsystem that lends itself to the feel of the entire genre. It's like having a TTRPG about Boxing and cutting out the training and 'pre-match taunting' parts. At that point it's not actually about boxing, it's just rolling dice at each other and occasionally devolving into shitty improv theater.
It's like if World of Darkness took out the social mechanics for the next Vampire game.
(1/2)

>>95920192
This is a response I saw elsewhere, btw, wanted to post it here.

>>95919968
If the argument becomes 'well we actually wanted to lean towards 'real robot' not 'super robot' then it failed even harder because these are not how real robots work, the genre, mechanically.
The way Lancer works is that you have a mech with their inherent powers, and then as the mech 'levels up' you can pick from a list of powers to add on to customize it. There is no economy system for buying parts or selling battlefield salvage. There is no tracking of ammo or missiles remaining. There is no system for needing to repair and rearm your machine afterwards. You can't even determine enemy strength at a glance because none of the mechs have any consistency in what they are and are not capable of- especially not the NPC mechs.
There's nothing that grounds the mechs in the world. No longer term consequences of a battle that forces characters to stop and consider if a fight is even worth doing. There's no pilot-mechanics to let the pilots bluff or taunt the enemy pilots. There's no 'talking it out' rules. There's no 'my mech is damaged, can we still win?'. There's no moment in which the realities of the situation is going to force the characters to reconsider their beliefs and objectives.
And without any of that- you no longer have a real robot, because consequences disappear as soon as the fight is over.
So it doesn't feel like a Super Robot game because there's nothing that relates to the characters of the pilots. It doesn't feel like a Real Robot game because there's nothing that grounds any of the mechs in the world.

So what does it feel like? With the 'mechs' and the 'inherent powers' and the 'upgrade tree' and the 'area combat without longer term consequences'?

It's a Hero-Shooter. It's Overwatch.
And that annoys me.
(2/3, bigger than I thought)

>>95919968
Lancer was primarily created by three-ish groups of people.
The initial creator, responsible for the rules, mechanics, systems, and pretty much nothing else. He worked on creating the core product and ended up hiring on the two other groups before getting bored and more or less dropping the whole thing to move on to something else. I don't really have any strong opinions on him except that I think the rules he designed kinda sucked for mecha and that he should've chosen better people to hire on.
The next person brought on was the artist of Kill Six Billion Demons, who drew almost everything in the game. Let me be frank, I like his overall art and the work he's done, but the mechs do not look good. Their limbs are too spindly and they don't distribute weight appropriately and it's all kinda messy- but that's purely just me ragging on aesthetics so it's subjective. That's not really a legitimate objective critique.
The third group, and the group I actually hate, are the writers. They were responsible for the fluff text, descriptions of various things, overall setting information, and the various campaigns. They are much like Gene Roddenberry, creator of Star Trek, in that they are psychotic Californians who aggressively push their views into whatever they can and have absolutely no self awareness about the part of their views that make them horrible people.
(3/4 jesus christ this is a big one)

>>95919968
Such as their opinion that America is an evil fascist state, that poor people are generally ignorant and evil unless forced to obey their rules, their general disdain of mecha in 'their setting' as things that have to exist at all, and that anyone who is resisting the commandments of their space socialism empire is doing it because they're bigots that need to be infiltrated and subverted, not because people will naturally resist when a big empire swings in and tells them they're not allowed to use their old currency anymore, but they do have to use entirely baseless fiat currency that space socialism will arbitrarily decide to give you certain amounts of.

And so on.

And if you ask them, they'll tell you 'all of this is unironically, 100% good, what do you mean?'
And then probably ban you from the discord, because dissent (criticism) bad.

I call them corporate skinwalkers because their only aim is getting money out of their audience, pushing a psychotic view of the future as unambiguously good and correct, and they have absolutely no self awareness that a person would about it.

I really don't like them. I got a lot of grudges towards people like that.

In short- the writers are techbros. The same group of people who tell you to invest in their crypto scheme and that you need to use a phone app to flush your toilet. Not because they actually think those things are better- but because they can potentially use those things as vectors to take money from you.

>>95918178
There's nothing "pol" about noting the target demographic of a game, anon. If this was Snowbreak you'd hardly blush at the accusation it was a gooner game.

>>95919077
>The developers cut the project off at the knees because they were too San Fran faggy
I agree with everything you're saying, but that's not the reason. It's because Tom (in typical lefty fashion) can't commit to a single thing for longer than a year, so after completing "enough" of LANCER, he moved onto ICON... And then that heavy-metal goth game... And then another heavy-metal goth game... And then Goblin with a Fat Ass... He enjoys the process of creation more than the process of nurturing.

He's also got a family, which is almost funny to me because he referred to his son as "my boy" when you'd think a lefty like him would know it's wrong to gender someone until they can gender themselves.

>>95920204
I can get by choosing to make an antagonist out of America's ugly side.
But then, why does their protagonist faction act like America's ugly side? Is the message of Lancer that imperialism is okay as long as it's post-scarcity [a state that the Union did not achieve on its own but was gifted to by alien robots it does not actually understand] imperialism?

>>95919709
But the skill triggers aren't 2d6? It's a d20 system

>>95919735
Basically they said they didn't look at/take direct inspiration from any mechanic media and people have taken that to mean they hate mecha

>>95920201
>They are much like Gene Roddenberry, creator of Star Trek, in that they are psychotic Californians who aggressively push their views into whatever they can and have absolutely no self awareness about the part of their views that make them horrible people.
I take offense to this statement. See, Gene understood that the best way to promote progressive views was through peaceful methods and leading by example so the other side will 'want' to come over to the utopia by choice, while the writers of Lancer seem to think the only reason Bush Jr. was wrong to push the Global War on Terror was because he didn't try to replace the cultures of the countries he invaded with their preferred politics.

>>95920329
Fair enough. I'm just sharing what a mech fan thought about lancer.

>>95920192
>but then the writers had some of the mechs as themed towards being 'gritty' and 'realistic', which flatly does not work.
It's a superhero universe. You print your superhero and then pilot it into battle. Think of Dead Space, where a guy shoots down a moon with an assault rifle and weld gun. Or the Punisher killing reality-bending immortals left and right.

Or in japanese terms - the robots with guns are trying very hard, which is why they succeed.

>>95920384
But apparently mechas don't matter in this universe because some super-AI is doing everything?

>>95917989 (OP)
I wish it was. You know, I'm actually in a Lancer campaign rn and the only saving grace is that we have a good GM. He's good because the commie utopia bullshit is toned down, allows us to have plenty of out of mech stuff to do and actually homebrewed infantry combat in which I really liked. Balancing encounters is one thing, he is only human after all, but the system is so flawed I'm suprised others haven't talked about it before. Its not only a d20 system, but one where you have to roll a bunch of times without any modifiers. It has no actual meaningful crunch, it's keyword slop, has absolutely no rules for stuff outside mechs meaning it's not a mech and it's equivalent to a repetitive dungeon crawler. The devs really wanted to make a video game but had no motivation on how to make one so they threw this together instead and it really shows. Rules are so mid, its recommended to use a specialised app for YOUR TTRPG, cuz there is simply so much bookkeeping. It streamlines everything for simplicity and then immediately overcomplicates shit. Doesn't help that a lot of the descriptions are vague as fuck. Not just in rules but the equipment as well. Lancertards love going into autistic detail about mech specs (still won't explain what "size 2" actually means tho) but then pussies out at guns leaving them vague and blank because “the players can come up with that themselves”. If the creators wanted me to think "I wish I was playing a better mech game" every session then congratulations, they succeeded

>>95920386
That's on point. Superheros don't matter either in theirs.

Did a new edition whitewash the Union or something, everyone's reactions to this thread read like an entirely different setting when the one I remember reading was explicit in the fact RA was not necessarily a benevolent being and the Union were not infallible boyscouts who could just smear technobabble on all their logistical problems - they aren't even anti-capital, with most Lancers needing to earn the favor of powerful corporations to use their toys and a currency existing in the form of manna to facilitate intergalactic trade (trade, NOT just consuming every dissident policy in their wake), whose upper echelons were implied to be in a power-struggle with RA over the fate of humanity.

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>>95919873
>nta but they're insanely dismissive towards mech media in their interviews
Based as fuck, not everything needs to be a fucking homage or reference or tribute.

>>95920415
Patently false: in settings where they're dwarfed by BIGGER THING, Heroes still matter because they offer BIGGER THING intrigue and entertainment to sway them to act a certain way, because unlike a Lancer, they are more than the sum of their parts.

>>95920461
The game is full of blatant holes where having any genre knowledge might have been helpful. No one's complaining they aren't all running around shouting "even my father never hit me!", it's that if they actually watched a mech show they might have an idea of how to actually integrate mechs into their setting properly.

>>95920329
>while the writers of Lancer seem to think the only reason Bush Jr. was wrong to push the Global War on Terror was because he didn't try to replace the cultures of the countries he invaded with their preferred politics.
And then people discovered USAID was doing this by funding lefty politics throughout the third world.
>I know you’re hungry Mister Ngubu, but if you want the bags of rice for your village you’ll need to tell me your pronouns.

>>95919197
Honestly, that's the best part. I want to watch these people go under the steamroller feet first.
All they had to do was prove they could be reasonable and compromise.
Once. On any point. At any point.
Ever.
And they couldn't do that.
They deserve everything that's going to happen to them.

>>95920470
The heroes only matter to the IP holders. To their universe, they're a flying pro-wrestling circus.

>>95920461
To be honest, I’m just incredulous at the idea they hate mecha anime and shit considering how liberal as fuck most of them get, like how many Gundam fans keep doing shit like comparing modern day America as Zeon unironically and cheering at the thought of “shooting fascists” or whatever. But I guess it’s a case of “doesn’t go commie enough”

>>95919866
Lancer's Union isn't the Federation or even the Concordium, they're the setting's Borg, only the inscrutable intelligence they're dependent on is smart enough to control its drones indirectly in a way they'll never notice they're being steered at all.
>>95920503
Really? I've seen the opposite happen, where people are becoming Zeon apologists because they support feminism or something like that dodgy Neflix show.

>>95920500
Well, relax a little bit, bro. You're not doing yourself any favors talking like Sephiroth. Tone it down.

>>95920430
Context is important. People are incredibly critical of LANCER because it was released by preachy leftist faggots during the height of, “Kill White Men.” Gillette hadn’t even released their commercial yet, you know the one.

The setting itself is serviceable enough, as is the tone and themes. If this game was released by anyone else with a fresh coat of paint, it’d be a media darling. But Massif cultivated a fandom of the worst sort of social justice refuse, and that eliminated any interest people had in accepting the setting or the system.

>>95920526
>Wow bro, stop expressing emotion over something you feel passionate towards. You’re not allowed to feel things, and if you do keep it to yourself.

>>95920522
Gundam’s relationship with Zeon is weird. Most of their fans are either honest in that they like the aesthetic/the bad guys, or they’re too “Federation bad” without realizing both can have their bad points but only one had assholes willing to drop asteroids on Earth to make it uninhabitable and gas entire colonies.

>>95920564
I fell into the latter after watching Hathaway’s Flash and Gundam Z. It’s not really that I want to see Zeon win, I just want to watch the Federation lose.

>>95920535
Oh. I'm ignorant of the under-the-hood politics.
It's kind of a shame the writers made a 180 on their stance after promising mud-and-lasers where there aren't supposed to be many clear-cut bad guys with most policies having a rationale for acting the way they do.

>>95919077
>>culture

You mean the one by Banks?

I guess Lancer players would be those stupid or immoral enough to read books about violent interventionists who don't give a damn about the rights of 'lesser' cultures and think they're the good guys.

>>95919139
>'In the 90's/2000's the left was pretending to be anti war and pro free speech, were they always really ends justifies the means psychopaths who don't care about violating rights or hurting others as long as they can 'advance' society?

>>95917989 (OP)
I have troubles making battlemaps for this game. Any recommendations on Software to use or dedicated editors?

The biggest non-starter for Lancer for me is that it wasn't designed for actual tabletop gaming, it was designed specifically for VTT.

VTT is soulless and I'll never play it again.

>>95920535
I mean, I dislike it more because it's shallow and poorly balanced than strictly because of its community, but that absolute fucking cesspit certainly isn't helping matters.
For example, notice that if a given weapon type has a Cool Thing, none of the rest of that weapon type are allowed to be cool. Monarch is an incredibly strong missile mech. They wanted to keep that, but didn't want missiles to be broken, so missiles were universally toned down and the talent's junk. Crack Shot is an incredibly strong talent. Rifles are almost universally mediocre at best because of this. Goblin systems exist. The Hacking talent may as well NOT exist. Loading weapons? Raleigh or fuck off.
I find myself fundamentally opposed to such a design philosophy, for a multitude of reasons. It harms any attempt to balance things, and it also severely restricts the amount of cool and viable builds you can make. You either use the designated Cool Thing which has been specifically designed to hold all of the Cool at the expense of everything else, or you sulk in your pile of mediocrity while others take the spotlight.
I'd also prefer a system that isn't spoon fed to you. Give me some fucking crunch, man.

>>95920564
Feddies used G3 gas on Side 1 and only ended up not using it in the Gryps conflict because the AEUG stopped them.

Zeon are not the good guys but neither are the Feddies.

>>95918186
Remember that one time some /pol/-tard complained about being called out for lying?

>>95920872
just play Mekton

I desperately want to play this system but the mechanics are too dense for anyone I know to want to play it.

>>95920313
Which is why I know he doesn't play the game.

>>95920543
The ol' 'Men should express their feelings more'
>Well I feel angry and betrayed by the bullshit you're doing to-
>Woah, woah, woah, not like that, I meant nice emotions that don't resist me or things I can use as leverage, chud :)

>>95919067
Try and actual counter-argument. Retard.

>>95917989 (OP)
I fucking wish. Much like D&D it continues to be supported by a huge community that doesn't actually play the game, but likes using it to write gay fanfictions.

>>95921684
It's literally easier to play than D&D 5e. Unfortunately it's also a game that manages to be even worse than D&D 5e somehow. The bar DnD 5e sets is so low it's on the ground already, but Lancer got a shovel and started digging.

I honestly don't get the hate. Having a lot of fun with the system but I also dismissed all the gay commie shit and just made my own setting with gay anime girls.

Would love to see a reworked version or second edition tho to give it another balance pass. Too much shit is useless. Too much shit is utterly broken. My players always default to the same combinations cross every group I play with.

>>95920196
> There is no system for needing to repair and rearm your mech after the battle
> Repair capacity? Limited charges? Structure table? What are those?

Listen, if you wanna argue that the system isn't robust enough to really simulate the fantasy of a big machine needing big logistics and getting big damage then you can, and you'd even have a solid argument for that, but please do so with an actual understanding of the game in question. Getting shit flatly wrong just makes you look retarded.

>>95926172
It has short rests for mechs lol

>>95926104
>second edition
Many have tried. All have failed. Just play Mekton instead.

>>95926459
pass

>>95926172
>mechs "heal" all meat-sorry, mech points on their own
>"lmao you can just print new parts/ammunition"
>game is literally 4e dnd

>>95922158
Ah yeah, I remember that one
>"men, open up more, you need to man up and share your feelings"
>turns out that men are mostly miserable and incredibly unhappy due to the social changes that are destroying much of what they enjoy and making it impossible to achieve basic life goals like "own a house" or "get a partner"
>suddenly mens feelings aren't important

The worst thing about lancer is the 3D printing bullshit and how it's totally meaningless if your mech is destroyed. I played a lancer oneshot with some friends and during the last fight I overloaded the reactor on my machine as it was sinking into grey goo before ejecting to escape, but then according to the lore that was totally meaningless. Basically, the systems are alright but the worldbuilding and lore are terrible. Good thing we totally ignored that part.

>>95919933
the game is fun, the lore is cool, the designs are unlike most other mech games. just play it with your group and dont look for honest discussion of lancer on 4chan.

>>95927181
the printing is only meaningless if you are giving your party access to a printer after every fight. printers are factory sized facilities which require things like a stable power grid and access to raw materials. if the party is on an extended deployment without ready access to a printer or the local printer takes a hit to its material supply or power grid, it can make it difficult for the party to access the printer, and once the party realizes they dont have access to a printer every day, they start playing a lot more conservative with their mechs and repairs. you are also meant to play 2-4 encounters before getting access to a full repair

it very much sounds like an issue of you as GM giving them too much easy access to the printers.

>>95919900
>soldiers can be decent people, it’s the leaders that are evil fascists to be overthrown”.
They say that when safely removed from it but ask their opinions on literally any current controversial power struggle and see if they dont default to the less brainpower alternative

>>95919900
>>95927537
"The people yearn to be freed from the shackles of their tyrannical overlords" is like, Intervention 101. Look at how many American expeditions into the Middle East or South America were started on the "democratic ideal."
Remember the Arab Spring? That was
>"The tyrant Gaddafi needs to be overthrown to free the people of Libya."
Remember the Iraq War? That was
>"The tyrant Saddam needs to be overthrown to free the people of Iraq."
Remember every extermination campaign Israel starts against Palestine? Those are,
>"The tyrannical Hamas needs to be overthrown to free the people of Palestine."
It's exhausting and, worse, has always worked.

If the people really do hate their government, let them rise up and take it down. After the seventh, "Palestine continues to vote against their interests" I think you should recognize something deeper is going on than "tyranny" here.

>>95927012
>>95922158
Was the "men should open up and express themselves more" before or after the "Man-Slaughter" campaign? You know the one, where we got,
>Manspreading
>Mansplaining
>Manhating
All in like, the same year. Funny how all that discourse died down now that the conversation turned to transsexuals. Specifically female transsexuals. Curious!

>>95919989
>we invaded
holy shit any spin possible
>>95920204
I genuinely cant imagine the mentality of someone who says
>yes we're a post-scarcity utopian society
and then immediately jumps to
>we must forcefully induct "lesser" societies into this and police state them into following along
Like, if you told me that without context i'd assume it was lampooning communism but no, they actually think that. At no point does it pass through their minds that if their society was truly as utopian and perfect as they want to pretend it is then people would be trying to get into it or bring it to them as hard as possible. The game would be about being spec ops trying to support local resistance cells and thus naturally justify the mechas inherently because they're the most human face you can put onto that much firepower so dissidents and revolutionaries could rally behind.
Instead the retards still fucking try and act like the underdogs while outright saying losing is impossible it's beyond my comprehension to write that fucking poorly.

>>95927645
As much as I hate the game, there’s an explanation for this. This is Phoneposting so apologies for any disjointed sentences.

LANCER is a cowboy game. Union is the federal government. They’re “out east.” Their borders are huge but not as ironclad as you might expect - the majority of Union power exists around the Blink Gates, and outside of them ships are forced to use FTL travel which still adheres to time dilation for some ungodly reason. Therefore, anything 50 light-years away is allowed 50 years (at least) to fester if things go wrong. SecComm didn’t care about this and simply blasted huge seedship waves into the void to “fill the stars with life” but now ThirdComm has to deal with that mess. Many of the colonies either have no idea Union exists or only know it as a vague myth their robots told them about, but most colonies, as said before, treat them like “the federal government” a thousand miles away.

That’s where you come in. You are Lancers. You’re cowboys. Feds. Coppers. Outlaws. The motivations are endless but you’re the guys with guns who wander into town while some they/them honey fans their male-presenting tits at the gallantry of your gumption.

Some stories are about some nations on a planet unwilling to let go of their freedom. Others are about robots assaulting colonies out of ancient SecComm kill orders. Most fans of Lancer use “bash the fash” and make a Harrison plot. You can even do a simple Man vs Nature plot with giant bugs and harsh weather.

>ITT
>I'm not playing mekton
>let us support design style over substance.

>>95918863
Man shut the fuck up. I've played with artists and devs from Lancer, let me tell you some of the retarded shit I've run into for "roleplay"
>guy who ignored the currency system, starts trying to nickel and dime for no goddamn reason at all
>dramafag who accused other players of backstabbing and being the bad guys when we all just stepped foot on the planet minutes ago
>guy who would interrupt the gm, roll, and practically fucking scream into the mic "TELL ME ALL THE SECRET INFO MY CHARACTER WOULD KNOW!"
>guy who would just post reaction gifs/webms and be like "my character does that"
They're probably in this thread too. They had this whole "To be a REAL Lancer you have to swear off of 4chan >:(" moment, and that failed after a few weeks because we're all anonymous here.

>>95927736
>cowboys
>but working for feds
That's ridiculously contradictory. The entire point of cowboys is being random 3rd parties in a lawless expanse, not being arm of the damn fed. Thats shit like pinkertons, hired goons for centralized authority who don't fucking function except when deployed with 3x the number of their enemy. They're never the lone ranger they're The Man. If the point is to be the lone ranger than that's the state outright admitting it is incapable of effectively governing that region to the point where you have to give significant independence to your lawkeepers. And if it's admitting that then it cannot possibly be a post-scarcity utopia as the very fact of transportation not being instant inherently creates regional scarcity.
They have outright described how their current government still cannot be true fucking communism and just sends hired thugs to dig their bootheels in to establish their unrightful rule.
>harsh weather
This sounds like a game where 90% of the rules are about combat so i doubt it or at least doubt that it could possibly be interesting.

What programs do you guys use to make/use maps for this? I've been shitting along with RPGmap because i'm poor and unskilled, but i wish my maps could look not like pixelated flat shit.

>>95927597
The majority can be tyrants. By overthrowing all of them and barring them of political power, the just minority can be freed.

>>95927846
Eh, you could be a marshal, rather than a straight up spook, sticking to the old west metaphor. To some extent, it's a matter of perspective and how you comport yourself. But your broader point is true enough.

>>95918855
You need to stop coping and start blaming the work itself for being /pol/slop, instead of shouting down the customers who notice it's /pol/slop

>>95918180
it's literally not. You're brain damaged.

It's a fun system and if you don't like the political overtones (overtones feels like an understatement in this case) of the setting you can make whatever changes you like.

>>95927846
Cowboys worked for ranchers anon, they were corporate employees. Your TV and movie idealization of the American West is showing...

>>95927846
The Union being a utopia is kind of a nation-wide "trust me bro" they back up with the fact they've completely secured space travel within their core borders, and have completely destroyed poverty and scarcity for everything 'except' land, which explains why they're so keen to go beyond their core to lap up periphery worlds, often getting into or finding excuses to get into conflicts with less advanced colonies from earlier iterations of the Union, including taking land from under generation ships or fabricating reasons for Lancers to make an uncooperative settlement disappear.
In that regard, their mindset is comparable to Fallout's Brotherhood of Steel in that they think 'they' are the ones best suited to control all of humanity's strategic resources due to being its most advanced faction, and anyone who disagrees is a dumb barbarian that is certainly incapable of seeing the bigger picture.

In reality, they're dependent on the progeny of the RA hyper-intelligence to actually run most of their shit to the point they don't really understand their own economic system, and while this is very troubling to anyone in the know as RA will do quantum-bullshittery to keep its goals from going off the rails, and if you attract it's attention it is probably going to mindrape your Lancer group into either compliance or lock them into a Bethesda-style alt timeline where they can't harm any essential characters, it also provides the Union with the ultimate enforcement weapon in that they can shut down any spacecraft reactor they detect as all of them are apparently reliant on the internet of things. RA has groupies in the form of cultists who cause the Union to be butthurt by stating the reality of the situation.
Also the Union clones people as insurance like EVE, but unlike EVE the bodies are explicitly their own people and have their personalities overwritten in order to pretend they are the dead person they were cloned from.

>>95918540
Anon shitposting has been a tool of dedicated haters for the near two decades I've been on this site. It's not hard to spot the difference. Yeah, it's shitposting, but yes they're obsessed wit their hate of the thing and they desperately need you to also hate it. They can't allow the thing to be liked or enjoyed, it can't be talked about positively. They need to poison every potential of discussing the thing by going out of their way to shitpost about it.

>>95927846
>If the point is to be the lone ranger than that's the state outright admitting it is incapable of effectively governing that region to the point where you have to give significant independence to your lawkeepers. And if it's admitting that then it cannot possibly be a post-scarcity utopia as the very fact of transportation not being instant inherently creates regional scarcity.
Yes. That’s the point. Only the Core is truly post-scarcity, everyone else has to ration the printers or build things themselves. Does that mean Union isn’t post-scarcity? Probably, but their goal is to give everyone post-scarcity. That’s the great effort, that things are rough but they want to make things better.

It’s Star Trek. LANCER is really faggy about it but it’s just Star Trek.

>>95924350
"it's political" isn't an argument retard. It's empty of any actual criticism and utterly meaningless. You know what's political? Fucking robin hood. Star Wars. Anything where the villain has political power. If it's being political you hate you're just retarded and don't even know what you're saying. But it's specific supposed social topics you hate, because you're on a shallow end of those.

And you can't even say what they are without your whole complaint falling apart.

Anyone else notice the bizarre astroturfing going on in the thread?

>>95927889
Please respond.

>>95928089
>astroturfing
You using the /v/irgin definition or the actual one?

>>95928089
No, in fact all I see is bitching one way or another about the setting and gameplay amounts to "its dnd4e"

>>95928076
Thing is, Star Trek has strict rules of non-interference because they realized they would pretty much instantly become monstrous if they didn't. They're generally only allowed to respond when contacted first, drop off a care package that says "hello, we're the federation!" and leave an invite to join. They're not supposed to land on the planet and blast the evil governor to death with their disgustingly superior weaponry.
They're basically the recurring evil version of star trek but with "and that's a good thing!" written over it.

>>95927846
>>95928056
To add context to what I'm saying, the Union of current year where the setting takes place is the 'third' Union, and two other attempts existed before whose ends were marked by the Union performing a war crime that alienates the intergalactic community causing session and revolutionaries to rise, with the new Union being formed by the bloc victorious in throwing out the old Union's leadership, each ostensibly bound by the directive of ensuring humanity's survival.

Third Union probably made a deal with the Veil and is in line to be royally screwed by computer-Satan, but until then it enjoys the highest quality of life in any part of the galaxy.

>>95928094

The gentle almost brand friendly way people are referencing and responding to certain criticism without saying anything.

This is a stranger thread than most.

>>95928076
>It’s Star Trek. LANCER is really faggy about it but it’s just Star Trek
More like one of Star Trek alternate timelines. Since OTL Federation would go to war with Union to the hilt within like 5 years of meeting it. Because their policies on treating other nations and colonies is almost diametrically opposed.

>>95928076
The Federation is insidious in its own subtle ways (root beer), but they still have the Prime Directive, even if they're occasionally bad at abiding by it. For the most part, if a planet doesn't want to abide by the Federation's bullshit and stay backwards, they're generally left to it. The main exception is when it causes external diplomatic issues, like that human colony that technically belonged to the Sheliak or the whole Maquis thing.

>>95928116
>the retarded /v/ definition
You really hate this game don't you.

>>95928098
Shut the fuck up retard you're just jealous Lancer is more popular and cooler than whatever mech homebrew you've come up with, you dumb bitch
You're porbably some illiterate redneck republican retard who sucks off a Trump dildo every night
Maybe if you cared to read actual literature, you'd see that the Lancer and Union are on par with literary greats such as Karl Marx and Jane Austen
ps Kamala won

>>95928089
Understanding the shape of the thing you hate makes your grievances hold more weight. Knowing the details of Union and that the premise for adventure makes sense doesn’t erase the fact the world is turbo-gay and full of faggy woke politics.

>>95928177
Here’s an example,
>Ottomans bad because Muslim
Is not nearly as weighty as,
>Ottomans bad because they held no respect for the cultures they conquered and would buy children from “heathen” families to turn into convert fanatics who were unleashed on their own birthplaces as a sort of demon mockery of what they are
I don’t care how well-paid the Janissaries were, if that system was built in the West you’d never hear the end of it.

>>95917989 (OP)
>No white man on the cover
I don't care because i won't play it.

>>95928076
>>95928098
The difference between the two can be described thus:
https://youtu.be/J0kgoXf5atU?t=89

>>95928098
Not that anon and I don't know enough about this game to compare it, but I don't see how that's relevant?

The reason star trek does that is to create episodic conflict by discussing the moral philosophy of cultural contamination from a more technologically advanced society, with undertones of criticizing colonialism.

Why would a setting be required to do the same? Clearly their goals are not the same. What they have a goal of post scarcity but the logistics of achieving that conflict with their expansion? Yeah no shit. Sounds about right. Seen that in scifi plenty. Read some books. But no one is required to act like the federation. The federation is only the way it is to make good television on a budget that can't afford more than one alien planet studio set.

>is X game dead?

How to out yourself as a /v/ermin in one quick line. It's kind of baffling how they think TTRPGs work just the same as videogames

>>95928198
Anon you can put as many white males into the game as you want. I turned the union into the space third reich in my game and we jump from planet to planet to eradicate space semites.

>>95928213
Everything really makes a lot more sense when you realize these people see ttrpgs being identical to videogames. They simply cant wrap their heads around the levels of freedom the format provides, they think you find groups via matchmaking and that the game devs will ban you if you play the game your own way

>>95928198
Shouldn't tradcath /pol/tards prefer things with pretty smiling blonde girls on the cover over sweaty muscular white men? Oh right, it's pride month.

>>95928223
Aside from the nazi iconography I'm pretty sure the Union already does that though

>>95928211
Since you don’t know a lot about the setting, here’s another fact about the “other worlds” in the setting, also called the Diaspora.

The messy “sin” of Colonialism is solved by saying colonies are established by so-called Seedships, giant vessels filled with eggs and sperm that are then fertilized and decantered on-site. The children are cared for by advanced AI systems (Comp/Conns aka AI and NHPs which are digital genies) and that’s how the colony begins. The way they’re raised is generally built on the specific needs of the world and environment.

You can see how this makes it easy for players to come up with unique characters who aren’t held down by some vast mono-culture. If you’ve seen Raised By Wolves it’s the same concept.

>>95928098
Perhaps you could frame it as Cardassia from the perspective of the Cardassians. I'm just saying, the Bajorans were a hideously underdeveloped, backwards, superstitious people. Before the occupation, they had an oppressive caste system that was so stifling that even their fanatic conservative factions didn't want to bring it back after the Cardies left and when forced to bring it back by their (apparent) messiah, they got sick of it almost immediately.
It's little wonder that the Cardassians saw themselves as generous uplifters who were trying to cleanse the Bajorans of a deep cultural sickness. Cardassia built schools and hospitals and industry where there was nothing but primitive squalor and religious oppression. Truly, Gul Dukat did nothing wrong.

>>95928245
Nazi iconography is cooler

>>95928211
>Why would a setting be required to do the same?
I'm not saying they have to be. I just find it extremely fucking funny that the number one other scifi utopia everyone compares them to would find them completely abhorrent and their actions indefensible. They're blatantly inspired by star treks vision of utopia but with a hard pivot at the "and let's not fuck with other planets too much, that would be abusing our power".
>The federation is only the way it is to make good television
>star trek does that is to create episodic conflict
No, if there's anything you can say about gene roddenberry, it's that he believed his own bullshit. He really wanted to tell a story of a better future where we've overcome most, but not all of our faults.
People can't handle that anymore. It's too optimistic. They need a secret evil side or something. They've got black ops death squads in the new trek canon now. It's reprehensible.

>>95928260
DS9 was the root of all evil because it introduced too many nuanced ideas about the Federation that future writers couldn't possibly handle appropriately.

>>95927012
>>mechs "heal" all meat-sorry, mech points on their own
The book describes rests as spending repair capacity, a stand-in for extra supplies and spare parts to restore your mech to full functionally. Like any resource you can run out, and if you don't have anymore then you can't fix your mech without some kind of improvised scavenging mechanic.
And full repairs, where everything is restored fully, are assumed to have access to repair facilities or printers that can conceivably give you a mech good as new. There is no mechanic in lancer that states "mechs heal their meat points all on their own lmao."
If you wanna argue that printers trivialize mech repairs then you'd have a point, but you keep oversimplifying the problem and describing blatantly false things.

>>95928260
I don't want hear it. Lancer is so much more heroic and utopian than Star Trek it's not even funny
What type of sane universe has CIS white males in charge, doesn't advance LGBTQIA at every turn, and espouse the greatest form of government, communism (which has never been tried because faggots like you mess shit up)?
>Hurr Trump is cis white
Spoken like a true /pol/fag. It's obvious your so stupid, you don't understand the setting's greatness
Just watch. In a year, battletech, mechwarrior, and all thaose other shitty systems will be gone, because people are already starting to see Lancer's greatness
ps your salty cis incel tears are delicious

Well this thread took a turn.

>>95928260
Lancer was never meant to be the noble-bright setting; the tag-line was "mud and lasers" and how the Union pretends to be like the Federation of Star Trek but in reality are a hypocritical hegemony who are unwittingly putting the humanity they claim to be protecting into the crosshairs of the singularity while at the same time being extorted by it.
That its fanbase are media illiterate is unfortunate, but that seems to be the norm for mecha franchises outside of Battletech, probably because BT never lingers on any one faction too long or makes it the centralized focus.

>>95928249
So in this case are the colonies on already inhabited planets? Because that's the 'sin' of colonialism, the pushing out or eradication of the locals in favor of a colony. It differs from regular imperialism in that rather than conquering the people and the land they live on, it's just taking the land and removing the people.

However if it's an empty planet then that's not a factor. So seed ship or not doesn't matter, it wouldn't be relevant. Invoking the Federation prime directive doesn't make sense.

>>95928260
I think my main issue is that I'm not seeing if it's supposed to actually be a utopia. Trek is supposed to be an ideal, something to aspire to, but maybe as out of reach as interplanetary travel itself. Most scifi don't do real utopia, but things striving for it at best, with their flaws obvious. I don't think the societies in this setting look like they're meant to be actual utopias. They have their flaws.

> if there's anything you can say about gene roddenberry
The focus on the prime directive came about later when he was less involved. I don't know if I'd pin that as a core part of his vision. It's a clumsy idea with the best of intentions, but that's the Federation in a nutshell. Idealistic the point of being inspiring, but probably not realistic.

>>95928275
The idiot who thought up section 31 did more damage to Trek's lore than Discovery when they mentioned elon musk.

>>95928306
> outside of Battletech

brother i wish that were true, but bt players have about the same level of media literacy as 40k players most of the time

>>95928306
I hate to tell you, but you're looking at this more critically than the creators themselves. What would be the term for this? Media overliteracy?

>>95928315
That's goddamn stupid, this is the basic idea anyone can subsume by just reading the core book

>>95928315
I'd say the guy he's replying to is doing that but the one you replied to is pretty basic. The game isn't presenting the faction as good, and basic media literacy can tell you "yeah, they think they're the federation but they're not". And that's it. It's cut and dry. So straightforward it shouldn't need pointing out. And yet he had to point it out.

Also you're on /tg/. We read books here. There's no such fucking thing as media overliteracy. You just reach the levels of academic analysis that makes people throw hands over that orangutan in that edgar allen poe short story.

>>95928306
It's almost as if you can decide how you wanna understand and play the setting provided by the game and find a way that is enjoyable and exciting for your whole group.

>>95928308
Lefties are weird and can get triggered by settling uninhabited planets because it “romanticizes” colonialism.

>>95928311
"This setting is all for fun, we're just here to watch giant metal cans smash each other" is far more literate than the psuedo-intellectualism of "Lancer is not just an RPG, it's a transformative revolutionary LGBTQIA+ social movement that has a true Utopia" or 40k's "There are no heroes because this is a dark series for mature philosophical geniuses like myself."

>>95928344
I have never looked at the lore in any TTRPG as anything but placeholder. Even when people try to make rules where the setting is baked in I'll just be ripping out huge pieces of the rules like clumps of tangled roots to graft into whatever game I'm actually wanting to run with whatever setting I'm actually making. Whenever anyone complains about the lore in a TTRPG I have to remind myself that some people are just creatively bankrupt and treat lore like another set of rules to follow.

>>95928361
yeah thats not what ive seen a lot of them say, is my point

>>95928308
Section 31 was neat within DS9 itself, sort of like the evil admiral trope taken to the realm of spooks. It made for some really good intrigue episodes. But it's essentially radioactive material that should've died with Sloane and never been brought up again for the health of the franchise.
And that's true of a lot of things with DS9. Those writers were experimenting with demon core shit and barely got away with it. Then the franchise was turned over to chucklefucks who immediately caused criticality accidents.

>>95928361
???

What's your point here, man? 'Don't try making anything interesting'? You might be in the wrong hobby

>>95928367
Are you kidding me that's every battletech fan I've talked to
Or do you mean the weird brand of Lancer-Battletech people who try to bring the heavy-handed overcomplicated intellectual wankery of the former into the latter?
Because I've found most Lancer fans ignore battletech because it does what they want but better. The few that do are the type who talk like they're making a 3-hour video essay for a 5-minute sonic the hedgehog clip

>>95928375
Thanks for showing how retarded your average community member is, Lancerfag
Of course that's what happens when you have admins actively grooming people in the discord that's supposed to be a safe space

>>95928308
>I think my main issue is that I'm not seeing if it's supposed to actually be a utopia
You can just read the back of the book or their interviews, they're basically cumming in their pants over being able to tell just how hopeful the setting is and how great the universe will become if you fight for it. They're saying in no uncertain terms that it's about making things better by working for the union and the "mud" part is struggling against their foes.
Then them banning people for wanting to play as other factions pretty well solidified the stance that they were 100% all in on union being the way to go.
>>95928339
>>95928315
>Media overliteracy
>basic media literacy
Media literacy is indeed frequently just making an assumption in your favor, sticking to it, and ignoring the creators when they tell you what it actually is. See also famous cases like "fallout is about capitalism".

>>95928357
I doubt that. It sounds more like you didn't realize the difference until I pointed it out and now you're trying to justify your previous post not making sense. The thing that trips you up with lefties is they actually pay attention to the academic terms they throw around when you get them confused for each other.

The only people who get tripped up over the difference between colonizing mars and imperial colonialism are /pol/tards who also confuse every use of the word 'social' for socialism. I'm wouldn't be surprised if some of them say they're antisocial and get completely confused by how people respond.

>>95928390
>gets confronted about his dumbass ideas
>immediately has a melty

Are you sure you're not the one who's too used to your safe space?

>>95928365
There's a reasonable expectation, when doing random or online groups, to at least outline the setting of a given system or inform your players ahead of the session that you will home-brew. Some systems absolutely live by their book-accurate setting (The Dark Eye is notorious for that).

But yeah this mentality outside of a few fringe cases is mostly something you'd exclusively find on /tg/ but not in the real world. I have never met a player that bothered to read the lancer lore to even form an expectation in the first place.

>>95928398
Yeah whatever, man.

>>95928374
Well that's the thing like the other anon said, it was neat when DS9 did it, but it was risky and dangerous to introduce given the more general quality of writing Trek has always had. I'm not the kind to complain about nutrek all being bad. I've got opinions about all of it. Like how when I got into the franchise everyone would tell me "the first couple season of (insert favorite show here) are rough but you got to power through it" and then "I couldn't get through the first two seasons of (insert their least favorite show here) so that one is terrible".

I love trek but it's pulpy cheesy mediocre television writing and always has been. And that's also the source of its charm.

>>95928410
The idea you can have violent bloody, gory fun is alien to the Lancerfag, because he needs to somehow prove that he is a moral individual via tabletop. This is why he screeches about colonialism, patriarchy, trans oppression, and a million other things. But the truth is, it's all performative. If he actually cared he would go out and volunteer. Instead he has to try and prop up his mediocre tabletop game as proof of his moral integrity, and as a result, proves himself to be the selfsame ignorant savage he claims to hate.
But I guess that's too complicated for you faggots to understand

>>95928424
Yeah. I thought so.

>>95928395
>Then them banning people for wanting to play as other factions pretty well solidified the stance that they were 100% all in on union being the way to go.
Did some of them work on Eclipse Phase 2nd edition? Cause that's pretty much the same stance its writers took after first edition had too much unintended nuance and it was very possible to read the most "utopian" factions as being idiots who are repeatedly stepping on the same rakes.

>>95928438
There’s plenty of bloody, gory fun in LANCER. It’s directed at fascists.

>>95928441
Wanna make out?

>>95928443
Retarded bait

>>95928438
You can have bloody gory fun in lancer too my nigger. You can play a game without pushing an Agenda. You can play DnD without playing a wheelchair, pink haired, panromantic tranny. You can play Lancer without being a faggy commie too.

>>95928438
>the guy who is dedicated to shitposting about a game he hates has to believe there is one person opposite to him always shitposting more about how much he loves the thing
this is the definition of /v/ astroturfing btw. The obsessive hate of a thing, the need for validation that everyone hate it as much as you do, and the projection of your obsession onto everyone else. When the reality is people are just like "this is alright" and don't like a thing as much as you hate it.

>>95928438
>If he actually cared he would go out and volunteer

What the fuck is this logic even lmao, 'sorry you're only allowed to complain in these specific ways' so says you, the...king of activism, I assume? Just say 'it makes me feel icky' bro, you really dont need to cope by pulling some bullshit justification out of your ass like that, it's embarrasing

>>95928438
It's wild that people like this anon will be so incapable of creating an original character or setting in their games, but then show such a wild imagination when describing their straman antagonists.

>>95928438
lil bro its a game about robots fighting each other, its fine

>>95928456
>Retarded bait
Most of the art is Trans shit and Bash the Fash.

>>95928487
Who forced you to use the art at your table?

>>95928465
He has been all over the place. His /pol/ projection hasn't been working well because no one will be his trans lefty strawman, they just wanna talk about scifi instead. No one will defend this game's politics because it doesn't actually have any, it just has flawed and varied cliche space factions you find in all scifi.

He's just trying to express how much he hates this game and that people like it. But no one likes it enough to care that he hates it.

>>95928487
Is it?

>>95928492
Nobody, but I was raised on a healthy diet of liberals telling me to speak up and question why things are the way they are. Such as why Mecha is such a gay genre and why most of the fanbase to LANCER are gay.

>>95928487
It's crazy how a few years retards with the same brain worms as you would have used art in this style to counter the tumblr-esque party art commissions that floated around twitter with their weird noses and multiple tierlings. It's gritty and detailed, it's not pretty and trying to by anime, it's not trying to be clean. It's got that rough classic comic lineart, like hellboy without the deep shadows.

But the only reason you associate it with "trans" is because the artist's webcomic used a sexless alien/angel creature as a metaphor for trans identity. Crazy.

>>95928513
Looks cool to me. Is that official art?

>>95928528
No, people associate it with trans identity because the art is filled with “Trans Rights / Trans Lefts” “This They/Them is turning you into Was/Were” “This machine kills fascists” and literal trans flags painted on the mechs.

And while we’re being petty, in this same collection of artwork I’ve only seen one girl with fat tits, and in the comments everyone was trying their hardest to passive-aggressively criticize the choice. So yeah, I know the type of people that enjoy LANCER and I don’t want to associate with them.

>>95928551
>the art is filled with

Is it?

>>95928551
And before you say, “ignore it you spaz” let’s not forget the innumerable inquisitions that have happened in every other industry to “atone” for past illustrations. Bitching about what people draw was incredibly popular throughout the 2010s and it’s only now that people are fucking tired of wokeshit that the conversation has gone to, “please just don’t care about it, please!”

LANCER is fucking gay and the audience filling the airspace with their zippertit bullshit drags the genuinely good art down.

>>95928551
>Rambling obsessed lunatic can't stop talking about troons

>conversation shifts from talking about the writing to talking about the art
>all the nuance is sucked away as everyone now just smashes strawmen
I wonder if this is an effective way to derail any given discussion, forcibly switching everyone into monkey brain visual pattern recognition mode rather than discussing the underlying ideas and mechanics. Assuming there's no samefagging at play.

>>95928573
He just saw he couldn't win on that front so he jumped to another one. I'm guessing after he gets btfo on that he'll switch to the game's sound design

>>95928551
>the art is filled with
Give at least two examples for each within official art or I'm just going to assume you're full of shit.

>>95928579
I don't think the conversation about the writing was meaningfully concluded. It basically boiled down to how much you think the writers buy into the good guys of the setting actually being good. Maybe the mention of "media literacy" is what really killed the writing conversation. I've noticed it's a real thought terminator for these sort of discussions.

>>95928643
I think the reason is because the people who actually play Lancer AND browse /tg/ simply don't pay enough attention to the lore, and those who don't play it have already decided what they wan't to feel like about it. At the end of the day it's just too inoffensive to care about it enough to want to get mad defending it

>>95928643
Media literacy is a trigger word for people because it feels like a clumsy excuse to have your cake and eat it too. Specifically, how “death of the author” was enormously popular to find intersectional meanings behind otherwise conventional works, but now that people are making the “wrong” meanings it became important to hold the author’s meaning as sacrosanct.

>>95928677
I'm gonna be honest, I have never come across an invocation of 'death of the author' that wasn't just a cope to try and justify the person's shitty fanfiction takes

>>95928643
Do we think the super-powerful, completely unseatable power structure that you deliberately can't meaningfully resist that's literally fighting for trans rights is supposed to be used as an oppositional element? Jeeze guys I dunno.
I mean the last guys who asked them about it got banned and then they made it a banned topic of discussion but it could go either way I suppose.

>>95928532
Yes it's in the rulebook

>>95928660
Well there's clearly people in this thread who read/played it and came out for it or against it. I was having a good time observing people's contrasting interpretations. The comparisons to Star Trek has been illuminating, for example. The problem with "media literacy" talk is that it's a double strike of ad hominem and an appeal to some vague notion of how media depictions often/ought to pan out. I've never seen it not derail a conversation. Or at least make the conversation worse than it already was.

>>95928692
I’ve seen it used all the time to interpret works as trans allegories, or feminism, or the dangers of colonialism, or any number of other things. That’s why people hate media literacy, it’s a hypocritical “correction” of postmodernist beliefs where the very people who earned their spurs on deconstructing narratives are closing the door on anyone doing the same with their content. Rules for thee but not for me, that sort of sentiment. It outrages people.

>>95928699
>is supposed to be used as an oppositional element?
Who's stopping you?

>>95928719
I mean I feel like it's not just the buzzword triggering it but the fact that you can't really argue about interpretation in a meaningful way. If someone reads the lancer rulebook and considers it to be communist propaganda and someone else reads it and sees it as a criticism on realities if actually trying to enact "utopia" you not going to be able to convince either person of anything else.

>>95928699
I think the question is more about how much the authors themselves are drinking the koolaid. Like, is there actually supposed to be a dystopic element to all this but there's not much choice in going against it because it would break the setting? Or maybe the curtains are just blue and the writers REALLY believe in the purity of the intentions.

>>95920080
Borderlands 3 had good gameplay (finally)

>>95928783
The authors genuinely believe ThirdComm is doing good, but also believe that it’s not the end all be all. They know there will be another Committee eventually, but it’s up to you to help build towards it.

>>95928742
Same thing that's stopping me from slamming my dick in a car door, it doesn't sound any fun. I don't want to play bizarro-lancer where I fight for trans wrongs because I also don't think it's a good game.
>>95928783
That they're entirely unstoppable within the scope of the players ability to influence the world and in agreement with the writers politics makes that seem unlikely.
I don't think it's dystopic, maybe more "justified but going through some struggles implementing it" and even that lays the blame on people resisting or undermining their attempts.

>>95928742
Nta, but it's kinda petty and masturbatory to run a setting you dislike just so you can run an ebin subversion campaign where you righteously break it. It's kinda like pulling "Actually Sauron was the good guy and the story we saw was just propaganda". You might as well just make your own setting that you actually enjoy.

>>95928742
Well they would have to actually play games for them to do that, for one

>>95917989 (OP)
Definitely not dead, there's a very active community. I think his newest game, CAIN, is a lot more fun, though. Sometimes my players get fatigue from mech combat and Lancer doesn't do a great job of filling the interstitial parts of a campaign.

Are there gonna be more splats? Last one I got is Shadow of the Wolf

>>95928822
>I don't wanna play the tranny faction
>But not playing the tranny faction isn't fun

>>95928823
No that's more like playing an Orc campaign when you get bored of fighting for the forces of mankind/elves/dwarfs. Absolutely validl, funy and has been done before.

>>95917989 (OP)
In a world full of ugly blocky optimus-prime gundams, it does the unimagineable and tries novel mech designs that actually look cool. fa/tg/uys hate it because they're nostalgia poisoned or (as has already been exhaustively discussed in this thread) because of tranny derangement syndrome-adjacent concerns

>>95928822
>That they're entirely unstoppable within the scope of the players ability to influence the world

Well yeah a squad of like 5 people max aren't going to overthrow any galactic superpower regardless of the setting anon

>>95928864
Alright man, no need to shit on cool blocky mechs. I like Lancer designs but the other ones are cool too

>>95928864
>In a world full of ugly blocky optimus-prime gundams
>what is the entire HA lineup

>>95928551
Anon you're pointing at a picture of an ordinary guy buying a cup of coffee and screaming about how you can tell by his head shape he's a lizard man in disguise working for the aliens in the FBI.

Everyone knows why /pol/tards call the art trans. I can only guess that you were told it was trans art and had to make up your own conclusions for why. That happens with dumb kids on this site. They want to join the mob but weren't around for why the mob is mad.

>>95928864
I wish the Swallowtail Ranger wasn't such utter rubbish. I love the frame.

>>95928879
admittedly

>>95928887
I think it's more a case of base Swallowtail being incredibly busted, any sidegrade is gonna feel like a downgrade

>>95928567
literally no one ever told you to ignore anything. Everyone is asking what the fuck you're talking about. They're asking to give an example, to point it out. And you are ignoring the art because you're just a schizo and there's literally nothing there.

>>95928894
Is it? I never played the Swallowtail. What are some good LL3-4 loadouts for it?

>>95928643
Well you're half right, he mentioned media literacy to abstractly hand wave the whole discussion after he was called out in every branch of that conversation for just saying shit that conflicted with his argument or just wasn't there.

His criticism of the writing was based on an assumption that some nebulous boogeyman leftists love the 'good guy' faction, don't see the flaws, and complain about colonialism. No one rushed to validate his strawman and he couldn't keep it propped up so he bailed and tried deflecting to another topic.

Which he has now done several times in this thread. He KNOWS that this is a trans gay lefty game but he's scraping around for a reason why like a racoon in an empty dumpster who smells food but can't find food.

>>95928864
Not really. I don't want to get into "nothing's original" territory but he's not doing much that hasn't been done before. I don't think he's a bad artist by any means, but his grotesque, wobbly style is actually surprisingly common among alternate mech designs.

People also have a point when they see some of the designs and say "ok you just drew a fantasy monster and called it a mech. That's just a liche of some sort".

>>95928906
Dusk Wing, Goblin, Spotter and Leader for talents, etc. Basically whatever makes you better at lock on synergies, hacking, and getting the fuck out of the way. But really, it's hard to build ST wrong because the core ability is incredible and you get that regardless of the loadout

>>95928923
>I don't think he's a bad artist by any means, but his grotesque, wobbly style
?

>pirate the rules
>recruit friends who have the same mind as you to play
>ignore the setting completely
>ignore and homebrew everything your group don't like
>never interact with anyone outside your grouo concerning the game
The only way to play.

>>95928932
Let me ask you a question, anon: Do you think this is a bad painting?

>>95928919
I feel like you're talking about two, maybe three different anons as one.

>>95928939
Fair enough.

>>95928923
It's a branch of comic lineart that isn't as popular in the mainstream which these days is obsessed with smooth and straight lines. That's probably because that's easier to digitally animate and blend with 3d renders. So wobbly lineart, a symptom of specific mediums of pen and ink, is niche but seen as a classic. You get eastern and western art doing it, but it pops up more in Europe these days.

>>95928936
Do you really feel like the core mechanics are good enough to warrant that?

>>95928952
I predict it will soon become more popular because AI has a much harder time replicating it without showing its hand

>>95928943
Nah he's just really obvious.

>>95928956
To you specifically does it matter what I think or not?

>>95928961
That's possible. Remember that style that a couple animations studios used for shows like rugrats? I forget the details but it was emulating a russian animator and was popular for a bit. Then the 2000s swapped to clean Flash animation cartoons and even anime cleaned up as it went fully digital. I remember hating the art for full metal alchemist brotherhood compared to the original, because it was so clean and smooth in an annoying sterile way while the original was traditionally drawn and had character and texture because of it.

We had that backswing in movies where too much CGI made people want more practical effects, and then it swung back to emulating practical effects with CG, and then back again as companies got too cheap on how they did that.

So we're overdue. I hope we get some mike mignola influence when it happens. Give me the comic lines but also give me those deep shadows.

>>95928936
This is literally how I play every TTRPG. This is just the proper way to play games. Anyone saying otherwise hasn't DMd enough to get it.

>>95928998
Genuinely. I don't think I've played in an 'official setting' since muddling through Mines of Phandelver in high school.

>>95928992
I'm convinced that AI pushing everyone out of the 'safe and simple' styles will basically force them to adapt and either develop new styles or go back to less popular ones that AI won't ever be able to properly emulate as well. I guess something good has to come out of this whole shitshow, I hope

>>95928952
>So wobbly lineart, a symptom of specific mediums of pen and ink, is niche but seen as a classic
Actually I think it's often the opposite. Wobbly, sketchy lineart is often a symptom of digital artists who don't have to do as much cleaning up between stages. With pen and paper, going from sketching to inking to coloring forces you to clean up your lines a lot otherwise the latter steps are a huge pain in the ass and can end up looking messy. Digital lets you get away with a more sketch-like style. You can see this happening increasingly in manga as you get more and more younger artists born and bred on digital tools, as well as older artists turning to them out of convenience.

>>95928998
Depends. If you're playing licensed ttrpgs like the Song of Ice and Fire or LotR ones, then sticking to the setting and lore is preferrable. There's also things like WoD or Legend of the Five Rings where the world and the setting are kind of the main draw

But other than those yeah, thats pretty much how we do it too

>>95928956
anon what he described is just what you do. You take what works and leave what doesn't. All game books are terrible. None of them actually work as written. They never account for what kind of game you want to run. so if you want mecha you look at the mecha options, pick the mechanics that most fit your idea, steal pieces from the others, steal from other games and media entirely, reskin factions and races and classes. It's just computer hardware you rip from the machine to make your own machine.

>>95928974
I would've liked hearing your opinions, but I suppose no, it doesn't really matter if you don't actually care to share them

>>95929010
A further devaulation of photorealism (not only can you just take pictures, now you can have any realistic painting in any western canonical style at the click of a button) is only going to encourage modern abstract/surrealist artistic movements, I think. AI isn't good at implied meaning.

>>95929047
I can only hope you're right, anon

>>95928004
>The game doesn't have anti-tranny murder gangs so it's total /pol/slop
That is the kind of hyperbolic faggot you're coming off as. Grow the fuck up.

>>95929015
Anon I can tell you from experience that it is not easy to imitate that wobblyness digitally. You need to actively download the right pens and use the right settings to emulate the traditional pen and ink that gets that by default.

It's like the whole 'it takes a lot of work to make it look effortless' thing.

Another factor is how as media ages the artifacts and flaws become the signature of that medium, so it's like people adding color distortions to make a picture look like an 80's anime screenshot or scanlines to look like VHS. You need to actively recreate the natural flaws of that older medium that in the medium itself they would try to avoid.

>>95929008
My first games were
>a pathfinder game with high school friends that was boring
>a frankenstein creation of several games to play a Fallout inspired game with internet friends over roll20
My formative experience was that rules and lore as written is dumb and bullshitting your own game from the torn limbs of several other games is always fun.

>>95929020
I'd disagree. Often the licensed ones suck and you have a better time taking other games not intended for that setting and using them to play a game in that setting. I rip the guts out of official settings and patch them up again with the organs of another.

>>95929120
Oh sure, but at the end of the day, for the discussion at hand, you are still playing within that premade setting regardless of the rules

>>95929036
Eh, there's definitely some systems where the lore and the mechanics are too tightly interwoven to bother disentangling them so you can use the mechanics generally. It's not just "what you do" in every case. Many, many, many groups basically just run games as written (in terms of both lore and mechanics) beyond the occasional house ruling so that there's not too much external material to keep track of. The most popular games tend to make very strong assumptions about the setting you're using, even if they don't strictly bind you to specifics.
Don't get me wrong, I prefer a game with a flexible GM, but I've been in plenty of games where there's almost nothing going on that's not in the book besides the places and names.

>>95929073
We're still talking about Abbadon, right? I'm not saying his art is bad or anything (I actually quite like it), but he's a pretty classic case of what I was talking about.

>>95929274
The thing that actually makes this style outside of pen choice is restriction to pen size and page size. In a traditional comic you'd be looking at the page size you're drawing for and no one is going to zoom in on the lines and the texture of the paper will prevent perfect smoothness throughout. So things scale a certain way because it's a real actual thing intended to be viewed at that size.

But with digital the tendency is to zoom in and out, to be working up closer to the image at times, for details in the margins to be thinner and lighter and no less detailed.

It's hard to describe what I mean. But if you draw with an image always at the same scale and pens imitating the thickness and texture of real pens, then that's how you get the ttyle. Add in the where's waldo level of detail where the concept of negative space is just "space I haven't gotten to yet". It's a busy style.

I'd contrast it to mike mignola with hellboy. Rough traditional lineart, but major emphasis on negative space and shadows. Colors have high contrast and balance between panels too. Entire panels left blank just for the effect. It's not a criticism of either of them, just a difference in design choice.

>>95928223
I don't care to play games made by people who hate me, there are plenty of good games out there.

>>95929509
>I don't care to play games [...]

yeah we can tell

>>95928243
>>95929516
Stop projecting, faggot

>>95927833
>TRUST ME GAIS I PLAYED GAME WITH PEOPLE WHO DON'T LETIN OUTSIDERS AND I GOT SUPER SEKRET FAX ABOUT THEMMM!!!
You are a gamless liar.

>>95927833
>unironic "my dad works at Nintendo" posting

>>95927012
>>mechs "heal" all meat-sorry, mech points on their own

Anon that's literally the opposite of how they work

>>95929845
>>95930553
Synthetic synchronized discord sameposting
Oh no the groom discord faggots are mad I called them out lmao

>>95930603
>look people pointing out that I'm an idiot!!!!!! This proves my point!!!

You can't honestly think people read your posts and think that you're a reasonable individual making good faith points and not just some schizo right?

>>95929845
>>95930553
ayy so very organic free range even

>>95928551
If you post shit like this and don't provide an actual piece to back your claim within the hour anons should be allowed to split your skull open with a rock, desu.

Ayo no trannies. No sir, none at all. Don't mind that the very first npc in the first official module is a tranny spess sheriff.

>>95928513
that's gay as fukk.

>>95930768
What, don't you love Great Value (tm) Orc Stain with a bunch of so unique robots that look like dudes in butt ugly armor?

>>95930756
who the fuck cares? don't you ever get fucking tired of it

>>95930756
>One NPC in a module of an expansion of a supplement

Have you considered painting the roof pink with your brain?

whats a good mech game then

>>95930833
NTA but good job jogging from 'It's not happening' to 'But it's a good thing!'

>>95930833
NTA but good job waddling from 'It's not happening' to 'But it's a good thing!'
We all know how fat you tumblr girls are so the exercise is probably no end of help. Maybe once you've lost enough weight you'll start to actually be half decent at mental gymnastics.

>>95930615
>noooo our discord has the real heroes we would never do the shit that's been found in countless tranny safe space discords
By sheer numbers, I know you faggots are full of shit, particularly when referring to a post that was made eons ago in terms of 4chan time

>>95931066
>>95931067
Lancertrannies btfo
Seeth
Cope
Dilate
And to the one discord mod trying to groom a kid just because he likes bots
YWNBARW

Oh look a lancer thread
>4chan as usual is smashing tranny heads and brains against the floor and laughing at the guts and gore spilling out
>trannies are crying and trying to organize discord teams to retake the board culture
>it's not working
There's a reason why the general disappeared, and no it wasn't some hecking epic victory against 4chan

>>95930805
>>95930833
There are more Trans characters in official lancer material than there are attractive women. There are more examples of top-surgery scars than D cup tits.

Of course you’re going to either say “put up with it, Chud!” Or “that’s a good thing!” So why am I even saying this.

>>95931490
To remind them that despite their virtue signaling, and holier-than-thou attitudes (seriously, best way to get a Lancertranny to shut up is ask them about Mechwarrior. They think if they ignore it, they can somehow replace it) it's performative at best, and exploitative at worst
>hey come here with us were the hecking safest pace for you all on the interwebs. You can even pirate, we don't care
>oh the "secret" admin discord grooming rings? Better ignore those or we kick you out. You wouldn't want to make a Lancer Discord mod mad, right? They're essentially gods of the internet

>>95931490
then just make your campaign without trannies and with women with d cup tits. this massive fake reality you have constructed in your mind is making you incapable of thought

>>95931517
And here we are, the last gasp,
>JUST DO IT IN YOUR GAME!!! PLAY THE GAME!!!
It was clearly not made for me, so why would I play it?

>>95931530
why are you complaining about the trannies in the rulebook if you don't actually like the game itself? why are you even talking about it? why does this game you don't like occupy your mind and limited time on this earth?

>>95931515
It’s funny how they’ve gotten so paranoid about “dissent” on their Discord that saying you like Harrison Armory is enough to get you banned.

Isn’t it a coincidence that the fascist punching bags are also the only faction to have white male characters? Unless they’re making a funny redneck stereotype, of course.

>>95931538
>Please let us advertise our game in peace! It’s not like people like us called you Nazi bigot chuds for the last 15 years and spat on everything you’ve ever cared about!

>>95931555
I've never called anyone a nazi bigot chud. Talking about a tabletop rpg on the tabletop rpg board is not advertising, I'm not telling you to buy the game, you are genuinely insane. you see this rpg you don't like and instantly go into the thread to complain about trannies with the lancer tranny image you have saved to your computer on speed dial. Literally why are you spending your life this way?

>>95931570
>Literally why are you spending your life this way?
I'm waiting for Genshin Impact to download and it's too hot to work my garden.

>>95931570
Why do you guys organize hecking "raids" and "strike teams" to shitpost on 4chan? People go where they like, say what they want all over this site, but you Lancerfags seem to have some delusion that you get a special safe place because you play the hecking progressive RPG that will take Trump down and make the world trans.
People shit on FATAL here. D&D5e. Pathfinder. 40k. Battletech, even. Majority of folks understand that this is how 4chan works. You Lancerfags try and pretend you're somehow an RPG that's so cool no one should be allowed to do it, and then scream murder and oppression when people tear you apart using true facts.
Your rpg sucks. And don't forget, you're here forever.

>>95931586
lol this faggot plays gacha slop

>>95928089
They keep trying to do a stealth Lancer general
It never works, because the game is fucking shit

>>95931066
>'It's not happening' to 'But it's a good thing!'
???????????????????????????

>>95931067
>We all know how fat you tumblr girls are
Guy whose IQ is so low he's unable to imagine someone disagreeing with his low IQ faggot opinion he has to strawmanize whoever disagrees with him

>>95931490
>There are more Trans characters in official lancer material than there are attractive women.
I'm going to bet money that "attractive women" for you is an underage girl.

Sometimes i'm astonished how much this board brainpower has degrade over the years.

>>95931602
>You Lancerfags try and pretend you're somehow an RPG that's so cool no one should be allowed to do it
This is the funniest part. Massif and Lancer are loudly, openly, and proudly political. Those politics get brought up on 4chan, and of course people throw fits. Rather than accept the game is political, the 4chan Fans try their fucking hardest to insist the game is either completely apolitical, or that you should "find it in your heart to shut the fuck up and accept it." I've seen Celeste fans on /v/ have healthier interactions with people going, "lol, trannies." The harder you fumble your spaghetti, the more people will taste marinara in the water.

>>95931642
>I'm going to bet money that "attractive women" for you is an underage girl.
Is this still the header for PILOT.NET?

>>95930719
Yeah sure, I'll post two more examples since I don't want to just swamp you guys. Here's the aforementioned, "This Machine Kills Fascists" (I'm pretty sure there were two others I've seen, since that phrase is very popular.)

>>95931649
I'm not saying it's apolitical but I'm saying you are an obsessed little retard that can think of nothing but tranny tranny tranny all day when the game (despite it's political message) can be enjoyed for its gameplay and designs. You realize it's entirely up to you to not include trannies into your day? It's not like the game is SO political that it's inseparable — or would require a lot of effort to be separated from the political activism it includes.

Hell it's far less political than your average DnD publication which I don't see you shitting up when discussed on this board. Kinda sussy, did you get banned for yelling nigger on their discord or who hurt your feelings?

he's just dumping his lancer tranny folder now

>>95931692
I know this one has retarded text over it, but I wanted to post this specific example because the story behind it is pretty funny.

See the female-presenting cheesecake art? The one with the muscled arms, possible bulge and bisexual pride flag? This was too sexual for the LANCER crowd, so they replaced it with "Ranger" written in a bisexual-colored heart.

>>95927794
Pretty much. Unfortunately, style is what gets you Patron bucks.

>>95931699
Ah yes totally; we bring up how much we love bisexual pride every single time at my table when a player picks the swallowtail. It's the first thing my group mentioned when they glanced over the swallowtail artwork. Usually we take a 30 minute time-out to talk about sex and our feelings right after. There's no other way to play this game and this mech frame in particular.

>>95931697
>he's just dumping his lancer tranny folder now

>Get asked to prove LANCER is full of gay woke shit
>Start posting examples of gay woke shit
>Ugh! Stop!
Not saying there aren't some bangers in the books, but there are more Transsexual pride flags in this game than attractive women. The only time you get a good-looking guy or girl is the SSC write-up in the CRB. There are more enbies than E cups. The game clearly has a market, and people are pointing it out repeatedly in this thread.

>>95931723
So we've gone from,
>The game isn't political
to,
>It's political but that's fine
to,
>Stop complaining and deal with it

>>95931725
>Get asked to prove LANCER is full of gay woke shit
which post was that

>>95931695
And that's it, honestly.
From
>no we're not political we just wanna discuss robot fighting action gaiz we promise
to
>okay we're like super political game but you can cut it out if you want, just do that!
Funnily enough, that's exactly what's happening in this thread. Cutting into the trannies because we don't want them around. We're doing exactly what you're requesting, and you're still bitching.
That's trannies for you, though. They weren't satisfied with their own mistakes, so now they push them on others and claim anyone who disagrees is actually in the wrong.
Oh, by the way, isn't telling us to cut it out the same thing as saying "ignore trans rights?"
A lancerfag who hates 4chan and it's toxicity has given us permission to ignore on and therefore shit all over trans rights.
That's how desperate Lancerfags are. I'll even agree with you.
You're fucking right, gay trans fag shit shouldn't be in Lancer, and it was much better without it.

>>95931741
You do realize people can just scroll a little bit up?

>>95930719
Ahem,
>>95930719

>>95931017
Embryo Machine (the RPG, not the board game version) is pretty good.

>>95931739
What the fuck are you retard talking about this is literally the first (You) I gave you in this entire thread. I'm calling out your absolutely insanely mentally ill obsession on very minor woke additions to a game that aren't even in the fucking rule-book. You have to go out of your way and fucking do journalistic work to ever fucking see any of this shit because I sure as hell didn't see any of them before.

Considering the fact that I'm actively playing this game with my group of cold hearted patriots larping as space nazis and they didn't notice anything either I'd say — yes this is easy to ignore and acceptable.

>>95931770
>Considering the fact that I'm actively playing this game with my group of cold hearted patriots larping as space nazis and they didn't notice anything either I'd say
I don't actually believe you.
>Yeah, I'm based. I'm trad. I'm posting about playing evil nazis working for a star Empire. Evidence? Never. But if you EVER mock this game for being gay or tranny I'm going to BEAT your head in with a bike lock!

>>95931760
>gay trans fag shit shouldn't be in Lancer, and it was much better without it.
I completely agree + hang trannies from cranes.

You are still an absolute fucking retard that really really really needs medication and a forced stay at a mental hospital. The way you keep repeating yourself and shitting up every sane discussion to be had is utterly insane.

>>95931786
I couldn't give less shit if you believe me or not, get well soon.

>>95931803
>My enemies are all mentally sick I'm the sane, logical, rational one
You're arguing with anons on 4chan over something that's obviously detested. You're more retarded than we are
Might as well try to protest Gaza in Egypt, faggot

>>95931803
>hang trannies from cranes
Nobody even says that anymore, weirdo. You're coming across as those North Korean spies who try to blend in by spouting 10+ year old pop culture references.

So we've established beyond reasonable doubt that lancer is gay and everyone involved will tell you lancer is for the trans. The people who like it, the people who hate it, and the creators too, everyone will proudly tell you "yeah lancer is for the transexuals!"

We don't need to worry about the gameplay because it's just a dnd hack with mechs that take short rests. lmao a fucking dnd hack

LANCER pissed me off so much I went insane and started hacking PF2E into a mecha armored core game

>>95932184
Bro why are you doing this to yourself. Just run it in Liber Imperium.

>>95932184
Bro stop you're going to make an even gayer lancer.

It's that there is limited upwards growth and unlimited sideways growth. You can cap your LL on a frame, then it's just sidegrades. Assuming the recommended 2 fights per level, thats 6 fights to get to a 'full' build, then 2 fights with that. After that, what is the progression? 3.5-era charop? Switching frames? Is it all theorycraft or is it designed only for 3-6 games?

>>95917989 (OP)
It's literally the only mech game ever worth playing with normal people as long as they can handle the level of complexity of a dnd character

People will argue that there's other games out there, those people are wrong, and don't play with normal human beings. As far as the politics goes, anyone complaining about the way an author feels or subsequently feels obligated to include that author's politics into an objectively a-political format like TTRPG Personal World Development is retarded and lying to you.

>>95932510
Once you gain the full license of your frame, you should focus on licenses that are going to give you more options, or enhance playstyles already in existence. Alternative frames themselves are also useful, as missions can prompt you to adjust playstyle. If you're the "big tank" style player, there are many options that have different effects that you may want. Synergyizing with your own kit and team is how you survive higher end / more complex NPC loadouts and setups.

Also, to the guy in here posting a copypasta what's it like being literally wrong about every facet of a game that takes an afternoon to read through?

>>95928051
>hurrdurr cowboys only means the literal cattlehands
shut the fuck up you're not clever

>>95931538
Why do all your fans cry rivers of salt over big bouncy double D's on lithe biological women? And nice big firm asses?
"Y-your a n-n-nonce" doesn't work here, faggy fucktard, I like a girl with a thin wast, wide hips, and big ties. Now, why does that send the lancer discord into a melty?
Better go have a shirt rest to heal the meatpoint damage to your shattered shitter, deary.

>>95928961
Anon that's going to be a problem for all of 4 months.
Is this the future for artists? Chasing the next thing that AI needs a couple weeks to replicate perfectly, then moving on to the next thing AI struggles with.
Sounds depressing.

>>95929274
>>95929073
Uh ...
Digital artist here, this >>95929274 style is not the result of any specific pens and settings, it's probably just the default pencil in SAI, set to have a pretty narrow range for minimum and maximum stroke size, and the wobbliness is a natural effect from the artist drawing free-hand on a tablet.

I don't really think it emulates traditional pen and ink, and I definitely wouldn't say it's a case of 'it takes a lot of work to make it look effortless'. The lineart is cool, and he's clearly talented, but he's also clearly prioritizing quantity (understandable for a fuck-huge battle scene with a hundred characters) and barely cleaning up his lineart.

>>95919077
im a cultural leftist transexual and i hate Lancer

>>95928155
Uh oh shitlib melty

>>95933792
This is the part where they grind their teeth and say,
>LOOK AT PORN, CHUD
As though the art they’re making isn’t praising their own desires.

>>95934541
why would you engage with such obvious bait, anon

>>95928395
>they were 100% all in on union being the way to go.

Did they not receive any backlash for openly supporting imperialism?

>>95934612
Kek, and my response is "I already do". I've got some more mechs to paint for Battletech. I think I'm going to have a pinup on one of Akeno and Rias from Highschool DxD.

>>95933863
SAI pens are defined by their settings. Setting a pen to a range like that is using a specific pen. And it does emulate a real kind of pen.

>>95936631
It’s not imperialism if you know you’re the good guy :^)

Honestly I could even forgive all the dumb gay woke bullshit in Lancer if it was mechanically interesting and Printers weren't an assumed part of the setting
It just narratively fucks with a lot of things if you have to walk into the setting presuming it's a post-scarcity star-trek style environment where you can just endlessly 3d print giant mecha

>>95938819
I'd be willing to forgive the dumb gay woke bullshit if "disinterested observers" didn't get incredibly upset at people pointing it out. Every time LANCER comes up it's a 300-reply shitfit between somebody saying, "LANCER is gay" and another person saying, "Nu uh." Just accept your mecha game is gay tranny bullshit.

>>95939104
Hey man no friendly fire, I'm as pro white as they come and the zippertits disgust me. I'm just saying it wouldn't be the first setting I've completely ignored in favor of my own homebrew, is all.

>>95939135
>Hey man no friendly fire
Oh no, none meant. I was piggybacking off your post, not attacking it.