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Previous thread
>>95893556

>TQ
Is focusing on offense or defence better in 5e?

peepee poopoo

>>95924803 (OP)
>TQ
damage + good mobility for positioning is best, dont have to worry about having low defenses if monsters hit you less frequently because youre farther away

I noticed the PHB makes a point multiple times that warlocks can draw power from many different entities at once, instead of being tied to one big pact with a single patron.

>When you choose this subclass, you might make a deal with an arch fey, such as the Prince of Frost; the Queen of Air and Darkness, ruler of the Gloaming Court; Titania of the Summer Court; or an ancient hag. Or you might call on a spectrum of Fey, weaving a web of favors and debts.

>You might enter an agreement with an empyrean, a couatl, a sphinx, a unicorn, or another heavenly entity. Or you might call on numerous such beings as you pursue goals aligned with theirs.

>When you choose this subclass, you might bind yourself to an unspeakable being from the Far Realm or an elder god - a being such as Tharizdun, the Chained God; Zargon, the Returner; Hadar, the Dark Hunger; or Great Cthulhu. Or you might invoke several entities without yoking yourself to one.

Have you ever seen or played a warlock like this? I feel like it's not a well known option.

I wanna play a caster that can heal, what's my fun divine soul sorcerer or celestial warlock

>>95924902
I have a character I'd want to adapt to dnd sort of like this, just a dude seeking power that signs shitloads of pacts like a total soul whore
>from a family of sorcerers but totally cucked by genetics so resorts to becoming a warlock
>joins sussy shadowy organization and gets some from the big boss
>went on a jungle trek seeking out a nature spirit for even more after getting nearly killed repeatedly while working for said organization
>yandere sister became a lich and let him take her as a patron if he helps with her schizo cult and supervillain schemes

>>95924803 (OP)
>Is focusing on offense or defence better in 5e?

Offense is the best defense. If something dies before it hits you, it doesn't really matter that your AC is 10. An exaggeration, but the point still stands.

>>95924902
That's a good catch. Fiend explicitly does not say as such. Not having all your eggs in one basket kinda destroys the "your patron can take away your powers" but that some DMs try to enforce, but having too many but having that many otherworldly powers keeping tabs on you can open more plot hooks.

Very cool.

>>95924998
Go off king.

>>95924998
*more fun
Fucking phoneposting

>>95925015
I just don't want to play a druid or someone who wears armour and can melee. I want a squishier healer who's supposed to play at range.

Woo finished writing up session 0. Just have to tweak session 1 a bit.

>>95925062
What about a cleric but you are naked and don't use weapons?

>>95925062
Ask your DM if you can trade your light and medium armor, and shield training for monk's unarmored defense so you can play a priest.

>>95925062
mercy monk w/ darts or other ranged implements

>>95925178
>>95925160
Will this still be fun? I feel like I'm trading a lot away for not that much. It sounds like a shit version of DS sorcerer, but I'm also a bit retarded so maybe I'm missing something

>>95925196
>Will this still be fun?

That will depend on you.

>DM gives me Talking Doll as trash item.
>"The condition to use phrase 1 is that you are held by [so and so person]. The condition to use phrase 2 is that phrase 1 has completed. The condition to use phrase 3 is that phrase 2 etc etc"
>Use it to openly pass around secret messages that can only be heard by the intended recipient

>>95924803 (OP)
>due being a conductor of healing energy, all people who can use healing spells lactate and produce viable breast milk
How does your PC react?

>>95925436
This but because of sexism inherent to society, the clergy is 100% male.

>>95925436
>How does your PC react
Shock, disgust, weirded out by males producing milk

>How does the player react
Slap the DM for bringing in his magical realms bullshit.

>>95925436
My barbarian/paladin now is useful outside of battle.

>>95925015
>"your patron can take away your powers"
That's explicitly not how warlocks work and is entirely counter to the entire Faust archetype

>>95925444
>the pope equivalent has the biggest and juiciest tits

>>95925455
>that some DMs try to enforce

>get staff of swarming insect on my druid
>spider has ranged attack that webs on hit; no save
This just seems vastly more appealing than the centipede poison on CON save and the wasp (just flies)

when will WOTC create more beast type creatures? If not, allow druids to wildshift into monstrosities.

>>95925436
My goth female gnome cleric is very embarrassed by this and keeps it a secret from everyone as best she can while her tits start swelling
The moment someone comments on it they can enjoy no heals during the next combat

>>95925517
>goth female gnome

>>95925474
Of course.
His love overfloweth

>>95924803 (OP)
>tfw my PC, which has the lowest INT and CH of the group, leads social interactions and strategic decisions due to my great rolls.
keked I don't even know if that's allowed

>>95925641
Literal based retard charm.

>>95925526
>goth female gnome lactating
>You will never suck the fresh milk from a female goth gnome's tits
>You will never have passionate missionary with a goth gnome while sucking out her milk
>You will never squeeze her tits into your coffee like a lemon
What's the point in going on?

>>95925787
It's rough out there.

>DMG 2024

What am I missing regarding random treasure - there's the Arcana/Relic/Implements etc 1-100 but what about a treasure hoard like from DMG 2014?

>>95926047
Chapter 4

>>95926047
page 120 for that

>>95925935
>Goth gnome with freckles
Perfection

>>95926078
>>95926068
Thank you, brave champions

>>95926082
>>95925935
Freckles means she’s getting lots of sun exposure while goth means that she shouldn’t be.
It’s a mixed message and the concepts don’t hold up

>>95926191
When you’re adventuring you don’t always have the choice to avoid going out while it’s sunny…

>>95926068
Although how do you decide on the rarity of the 1d3 Magic items?

>>95926398

D3 p9 (players handbook)
The same d notation appears in the expression "1d3," even though it's rare to find dice with only three sides. To simulate rolling 1d3, roll 1d6 and divide the number rolled by 2 (round up).

>>95926191
you might have overlooked the part where she isn't human and her skin is purple

>>95926191
>>95925935
the original for reference.

>>95926418
lol im far too tired. check out back in the magic item section, Magic Items Awarded by Level p218 and cross reference it against the size of the horde and roughly how many of each treasure category you've given out already.

or if you want it more chaotic, check out

>Random Magic Item Rarity p218

>>95924857
This isn't the SotDL thread.

I've looked at many homebrews and alternative games and realized that the 5E official rules for initiative are still the best.

>>95926493
The only change I'd make is rolling a d12 instead of a d20

>>95926493
I find it needs the 3.5 rule for delaying your initiative count but then it’s fine. If the party rolls bad initiatives where everything is poorly ordered for the party it can get really shit really fast.

I could have sworn that when I made the PC, I read that I could do some damage relative to my strength if my roll didn't exceed its AC. My GM even helped me create it and didn't seem to notice anything wrong. But after a couple of games, I've been looking for information about my PC again and can't find anything about that damage.
Now I understand why. I confused the Weapon Mastery of my Greataxe (Cleave) with that of a Greatsword or Glaive (Graze).
Oh well, I'll tell my GM.

>>95926568
good luck.

personally, cleave is far cooler. Especially with barbs with GWM

>>95926206
A real goth would have a parasol/hat/bonnet/cloak

>>95926525
Imo that makes stuff like the alert feat or 2014 bards (and really most dex characters) a bit overtunded. Can’t say I’m a fan

>>95926683
Yea, I was leaning into that

>be 9th level
>have alert 2024
>+4 dex
>roll initative
>roll a 2
>its fucking 10
meanwhile

>enemy rolls an 18
>enemy rolls an 16
>enemy rolls an 12
>enemy rolls an 13

It's just annoying to be supposedly good at something, meanwhile something with no investment beats you at it. It just feel like a barb and a wizard trying to lift a portcullis type situation.

>>95924803 (OP)
It took me almost an hour to make a level 5 character, so much to add per level....

My level 9 fighter is still stuck swinging a +1 weapon with no other properties.
How do I convince my DM that this is lame and gay?

>>95925062
Divine soul sorc?
>>95924902
I've had concepts with it, but patrons are one thing people get really anal about. I don't try to deviate from the popular image/conception of "one patron who's militant in their demands and can take away your powers" even if it's not lore accurate. Patrons are up their with oaths when it comes to things DMs are really combative about if you don't agree with their interpretation.

>>95926949
>Divine soul sorc?
nvm just saw this post >>95924998
If you don't want armour and you want to play at a range then those two are your only options. If you don't count light armour then you could play a bard instead.

>>95924803 (OP)
Minor arcana confuse me

>>95925935
Gnomes look like THAT??

>>95926729
His name is... Nottim Portent...

>>95924998
divine soul sorc gets to heal way more and you can use extended aura of vitality to double the healing from 20d6 to 40d6 with a single sorc point

>>95926912
what is your fighter subclass?

>>95925474
Duos habet et bene pendentes

>>95926949
Tbh I’ve had a lot of really shit warlock players try to sell me on their pact being “do good in a super vague and unmeasurable sense” or “idk you tell me”. Fuck you andy that’s not my fucking job think about your character concept for 10 fucking seconds before giving it to me
Honestly tho, it feels like where when people want to play a cleric they actually give a shit about their character’s diety but when it comes to warlocks they can’t be assed at all. 5.5 making the subclass come at lvl 3 doesn’t help either

>>95926912
>How do I convince my DM that this is lame and gay?
Speaking as a guy who swung a +1 longsword from level 5 to 20, it does suck. I recommend trying to look to either purchase a better weapon, or quest for a fabled sword. Ask NPCs. Gather clues whenever you can.

>>95926912
Ask your DM when you can go to a magi item shop.
>DM:Anon, magic items shops are gay
>anon: so is swinging a +1 weapon going into tier 3

alternatively


>swinging a +1 weapon with no other properties is lame and gay, DM.

>>95926912
I'll never understand your DM's perspective on this one. What's even the point of just handing out generic magic items instead of cool things relevant to the party and their adventure?

Would your character be intimidated by a Halfling Barbarian (female)?

>>95928519
Both intimidated and aroused.

>>95928519
Their condensed muscles would pulverize your pelvis.

>>95928524
this

What level should this spell be?

>>95928543
6th at minimum

>>95928519
Cautious, but not afraid. Logic and size doesn't go hand in hand here, so the question is whether a brash attitude is warrented or a mere act. Enemies or not, it probably won't take long to figure that out.

>>95928543
DMG page 59 puts 8d6 damage that hits multiple targets at a 5th lv spell slot.

other anon says 6th and that might be consistent w/ the extra effects and probably because its so large it might justify being a 6th lv

>>95928556
>>95928564
>high damage + AoE
>restrain
>action to remove the retstrain as a save, not auto at teh end of turn
>recurring damage + massive area
>petrification

could even be 7th

>>95928556
>>95928594
7th it is, thanks lads

>>95924857
Fireball enjoyer

>>95928519
Tight muscular cunny!

Molten hot take: there just isn't enough spells in 5e.

>>95928776
>t. only ever uses the same 10 or so spells

>>95928776
True, but spells already take up a third of the phb, you're basically asking g WotC to pri t a book of nothing but spells. And do you really think they're capable of doing that?

>>95925492
You'll get your new beasts when WotC needs to sell more books to keep off bankruptcy

>>95925492
Druids are literally why they don’t print more Beast creatures, which is why wildshape should have used proprietary statblocks with additional customization options based on your proficiency bonus.

>>95929567
>proprietary statblocks with additional customization options based on your proficiency bonus

or they could just add in a few more monsters to add some more flexibility at the middling range theyre at

>>95929618
A defined character option that you can selectively add future options to is far better design than an albatross around the game's neck that keeps you from having any mid-to-high level threats of a specific creature type.

>>95929875
theres already a cap for the max lv a druid can shift into, the only reason why they avoid them is because its harder to justify why a beast is so strong without magical reasons

If your wizard or druid don't have this body type, don't even bother making them.
>CAPTCHA: M00MY

>>95924902
Funny enough. The Binder from Tome of Magic is explicitly like this because you're not bound to any specific vestiage save for certain PrCs.

This is primarily why I dislike Warlock because the original incarnation of warlock was pretty weak on its own while the Binder had a lot of potential left to rot on the floor (like many or rather all previous ideas)

>>95925436
congrats, you activated my magical realm.

>>95929981
>original incarnation of warlock
from 2e dnd "Player's Option- Spells & Magic" pages 83 through 85?

>>95929981
One of these days, I'm going to get around to writing a pact magic based binder for 5e. I'm thinking you get a very limited number of spells known, but the vestige(s) you bind on a given day give you additional spells prepared like a cleric's domain spells, in addition to other bonuses.

>>95930077
I guess the problem would be keeping the open ended concept that current warlocks have (celestials, fiends, whatever) or be specific like the vestiages.

As a newfag of sorts I didn't realize how big of a character Karsus was until reading more into Forgotten Realms. I think another one was a version of Orcus before he restored and revived himself to full power.

>>95930115
Yeah, Tenebrus, the shadow that was. And my conception doesn't have vestiges as subclasses, but as something that you bind on a daily basis like preparing spells. Subclasses would be something different, but what that "something different" would be is part of what has kept this idea on the back burner.

>>95930155
Vestiages are too restricting. I would just move away from that and keep the overall divisions (celestial, fiend, far plane, etc). From there, have the act of forming a pact instead have a table of options similar to what binding of vestiages would do so if you have fiend pact, whenever you go to form one you could wind up having devil horns, smelling like sulfer or whatever so you don't have to have a specific demon/devil in mind.

>Everything getting shunted onto Bonus actions made everything really shit
>my DM and most outspoken member of my table are fully onboard the "martials are OP" train
>My DM loves his self wankery, every new villain is a bigger and badder guy and also a god or something.
>haha, yeah your fun indiana jones campaign where a bunch of shitheels are archeological leftovers to make some money?
>oops, summoned god actually.
I love my DM but we've been playing nothing but 5e for a decade and I long to be killed and put out of my misery of it.

>>95930370
If you don’t run your own game you don’t get to complain

>>95924803 (OP)
Has Bigby´s Giant book ever been scanned?

>>95930228
>I would just move away from that and keep the overall divisions (celestial, fiend, far plane, etc)
Then you're not a binder, you're a warlock. The entire subject under discussion was bringing vestiges and the binder into 5e.

>>95930446
I mean you are right - I wouldn't run fucking 5e regardless but I think i'd hate to DM.

Starting to get worn out by the campaign I'm in, bros. It used to be kinda fun but now it just devolves into pointless meandering around villages, therapy-as-RP, the barbarian doing the same tired bits, and constantly losing focus on the game. Does this typically happen?

>>95930567
You DM or player?

>>95930617
Player
>inb4 stop complaining/leave the campaign
I know, it's just gotten bad lately

>>95930649
do you have a mission / main quest that you're working towards?

>if you were the DM i would say start a side quest that gets people into a new scenario

>>95930670
Not a main goal for the party. The DM is very laid back, which has pros and cons. One con is that everything is kind of aimless and disconnected. Like all our characters have some arcs going on but there's no big antagonist. We spend too much time on minutiae like shopping and getting food from taverns.

I've come to realize it's just not the type of thing I'd like from ttrpgs, but I'm not sure if it's just this group or DND in general.

>>95930718
just keep bugging inn keepers and people for work so you have stuff to do. ask about missions that bring your group out of town / pursuing someone's character arc. push so you can get out of the safety of the city and into something different

>>95930718
Exactly how my last group went. I tried what >>95930823 said but the party disliked me trying to go places and they felt pushed into sccenarios.
I decided to leave it behind and was bummed about it all, but after some time I can say I made the best of what was offered.
I tried something, didn't like it, tried patience, didn't work, tried changing it, didn't work, so I quit
I recommend you talk to the group about changing the pace and if it seems like you are taking their fun away start looking for another group. When you find one, quit the old one.
Definetely don't endure this stuff too long.

>>95930823
Yeah I'm gonna have to try. Usually when we're in a town the DM just goes s"anything you guys wanna do". Then the barb decides he wants to fight someone, the cleric goes and prays, etc. There might be a decent side quest coming up so we'll see. I'm itching for even a small dungeon crawl.

>>95930982
Damn, yeah it might have to come to this. It's getting stale. I have some stuff happening with my character in the campaign, so maybe things will get interesting soon, but I'm not sure.

>>95927582
Battle master
>>95927973
Every offering I've had so far has been a sidegrade at best

>>95924902
No, you have just one patron, and nothing you quoted implies any differently.

>>95925436
>viable breast milk
Does that mean PCs and NPCs can feed their party once a day?

Meanwhile I've spent my entire work day designing mechanics for the magical metal ingots my party found, so I'm ready when they inevitably craft some gear from them.

Feels good being a great DM.

>>95931344
>Or you might call on a spectrum of Fey, weaving a web of favors and debts.
>Or you might call on numerous such beings as you pursue goals aligned with theirs.
>Or you might invoke several entities without yoking yourself to one.

>>95924902
Weird, my PHB doesn't say anything like that.

>>95931349
>party ends up trading them for magic beans

>>95931386
one might assume it is from the other PHB, the one that recently came out, but who knows.

I find we don't really have that much magic armor in 5e or 5.24e what are some effects you've used or made in your games for magic armor?

>>95931420
We should really be 2 separate generals

>>95931641
>Body Types 1, 2

>>95931751
...are based because playing a femboy should always be an option

>>95931751
theres 4 body types, woman, man, big woman, big man.

>>95931650
nah

Do you guys usually roll human male fighter with Noble background?

>>95932172
Or Soldier?

>>95932172
folk hero

>>95932244
Fair

>>95932172
The I’ve time I played a fighter they were a Lizardman Outlander

>>95932172
Half-Orc Fighter with Noble background

>>95932172
I genuinely couldn't see myself playing a human; I'd rather be a halfling

>>95932172
>>95932206
I've got a Human Sorcerer with Soldier background. Does that count?
A noble warrior type who's all about laying down their lives for people and home- never leaving an ally behind- brothers in arms type shit!

>>95928519
He will probably think she is a child and will be overprotective of her and keep her away from fights.

>>95932172
>Cishet
>white
>male
>human
>fighter
>sword and board

>dick
>lubed
>wenches
>swooning

Let’s fucking go

>>95928776
I agree. Some spells like enlarge/reduce are perfectly fine as 1st level spells if you simply split them into the Enlarge spell, and the Reduce spell. In the setting I want to make, I split a lot of spells

>Enlarge: The target also has Advantage on Strength checks and Strength saving throws and disadvantage on Dexterity checks and Dexterity saving throws. The target's attacks with its enlarged weapons or Unarmed Strikes deal an extra 2 damage on a hit.

>Reduce: The target also has Advantage on Dexterity checks and Dexterity saving throws and disadvantage on Strength checks and Strength saving throws. The target's attacks with its reduced weapons or Unarmed Strikes deal 2 less damage on a hit (this can't reduce the damage below 1).

personally I think an increased/decrease in damage die is more appropriate and less swingy, but that's not a common thing in 5e

Enhance ability is another spell from 2014 that had a lot of flavor, which 2024 took a dumb on. I split it into 6 spells I think they were originally their own spell in 3.5e, but I changed some animals because a 1st level spell slot is much easier to throw away compared to a second level spell slot. I also buffed them and incorporated them into my world. Every player (and 95% of people in the world) can cast one of these spells targeting themselves once a day based on the month they were born.

>>95932635
>Cishet

>>95932794
what about it? you going to say some touristy?

>>95932794
Pipe down, latinxbro

>>95932172
Half-Orc champion with Noble background like >>95932340
Father was an Elf Noble, mother was a half-orc stable hand. I'm the illegitimate child born with zero magical aptitude, while the full-blooded elven twins are both accomplished eldritch Knights and the youngest is a wizard apprentice.

I actually get along very well with my elven half-siblings, father, as well as my stepmother. Due to being a few years older and maturing faster than my siblings, when conscription came around I volunteered for the kingdom's military, since my father had a knee and shoulder injuries

>>95932794
lmao xhe fucking took it hook, line, and sinker

>>95932635
>>95932794
>>95932821
>>95932824
>>95932885
CHUD Friendly Fire.

how the hells do you run a 5e campaign without burning out.

>>95933017
burn out?

>>95928519

>>95932856
>half orc
>half elf
I wish there were rules for this. I guess normal half orc will do in a pinch. I saw a book where you could do this but it was woke as fuck.

redpill me on the greataxe, since 1d12 seems to suck donkey balls
even considering that you might get highers rolls on average, the great weapon fighting puts the minimum damage of a 2d6 to a flat 6, double of what a greataxe gets

while getting lucky on a critical might offset this, a greatsword goes to 4d6 with a minimal 12 on the roll, over the greataxe 6

>reflavour dice to 2d6
>you might get bigger number
yeah yeah, but see aside from stacking old half-orc and XGE orcish fury, im not seeing chiefs

>>95933438
greataxe has the 'cleave' mastery in 2024 5e. it allows you to make an additional attack with it, while the greatsword gets 'graze' which has the static damage if you miss the attack.

>>95933438
Previously? Nothing. It did suck. Unless your DM gave you a magic axe, and your sword wasn't magic, there was no reason to use a great axe.


Now? motha fuckin CLEAVE.

>hit a target
>swing the axe at a different target wihin your ranmge and within 5ft of the first target minus Your mod
great for GWM, since it's another chance to crit or kill a target, which can give you the bonus action attack from GWM. and depending on teh table, the cleave attack gets the bonus damage from GWM.

>>95933466
>>95933475
i guess, cleave didnt look too strong to me esp since it has competition in glaive, which is a reach weapon
although you raise a good point since a barbarian gets rage+proficiency with GWM

ill mull it over again, but thanks for insights

Why aren’t there threads about people bitching about 5e anymore? Is it good now?

>>95933547
Yea, between glaive and great axe, It's really just d10 reach vs d12 no reach. the bigger damage die can possibly secure more kills.

>>95933562
Shh, don’t invite the discordfags to come back and shit everywhere.

>>95933322
>You can do it in Pathfinder

>>95933322
What do you actually want to accomplish with rules that you can't with role-play?

>>95928519
That's not a halfling. That's a loli homunculus.
Would, btw

>>95933857
He said halfling, not pic related. Also, isn't that character (image) just a child?

>>95933322
>but it was woke as fuck
And?

>>95933475
>there was no reason to use a great axe.
With enough extra critical dice it did gradually pull ahead in DPR, think it was 3 (so Brutal Critical (3) or (2) plus half orc). Plus expanded crit ranges obvious help.

>>95933905
Yeah.
Would, btw

>>95933960

Would a magic missile cantrip where you shoot a single missile but guarantee a hit OP?

>>95934611
on its own no but with features that add your spellcasting mod to a damage roll, it can compete with firebolt damage wise

>>95934763
ah makes sense. Let's just say you ignore shenanigans like that, how would you scale it with level 5 onwards though? Just add another d4 to the damage or get an actual 2nd missile that could be split up like Eldritch Blast?

>>95934763
lmao no

>>95934826
depends on the AC of the enemies and the tohit.
If you measure dpt over 10 turns then 1d4 hitting every turn deal 25 dmg and 1d10 hitting every other turn also deals 25dmg on average.

>>95932172
Not usually, but my current character is one, and my backup character is the same but female. Previously I played a Mountain Dwarf Paladin, but she sacrificed her life to save the party. The amount of feats is way too tasty.

>>95934811
having multiple missiles so you could cap two different enemies at the same time would be more fun and tactical imo

>>95932144
>nah

Incorrect. The versions are incompatible, and 5.5 players keep bringing in idiotic shit from their badly written books. Useless discussions from some fanfic derivative of the actual 5e.

>final session of a three-and-a-half-year campaign in two weeks
>players from early campaigns in the setting will be visiting and reprising heroes of legend from bygone eras
>rented out a whole house for us to stay in
>all the plot threads are lined up
This is going to be so fucking amazing. I just need to not choke.

>actual 5e
>actual 5.5e
>"bros the game is completely different and in no way compatible"
nah just get with the times and switch over
if you want to run the """"TRVE 5E"""" go ahead and filter your table
but there is no reason to split the general over this shit like come on

or you know, be the change you want to see and start it, see how that goes for you

>>95935764
You’ll pry 1st-level subclasses from my cold, dead fingers. Hell, I’ve homebrewed ALL classes to get their subclasses at level 1.

>>95935671
There is no such thing as 5.5

>>95935880
I understand why people love lv1 subclasses but I kind of like the break between 1/3 when you actually specialize into a subclass. In theory it would allow for you to be a junior of the class prior to your oath being sworn or whatever

>>95935999
>In theory it would allow for you to be a member of the class prior to you actually doing the thing that makes you a member of the class
And that’s why it’s retarded.

>>95936466
Why?

>>95936504
nta but paladin are an excellent reason why it's retarded. Paladins get their powers from theirs oaths, which they take at level 3. How are they powering their smites with their oaths at level two when they haven't sworn an oath yet?

>>95936504
The fact that WotC coupled “all subclasses at level three” with “most campaigns should start at level 3” in the same book makes it clear that even they know it’s retarded. They wanted to nerf dipping but couldn’t be fucked to actually do so by changing the mutliclassing rules.

>>95936648
Gygax started his games at level 3. The first two levels have always been the tutorial levels.

>>95936559
Level 3: Sacred Oath
PHB'14 p82
[–]
When you reach 3rd level, you swear the oath that binds you as a paladin forever. Up to this time you have been in a preparatory stage, committed to the path but not yet sworn to it. Now you choose from the list of available oaths.

Why is this bad? This sounds reasonable and makes sense, reminder that this is from 2014 so it’s not a balancing thing.

>>95936648
The point of the dipping nerf was because some subclasses gave too much power at lv1.

>>95936747
I wasn’t disagreeing with nerfing dipping in the abstract, but they did it in the laziest way imaginable that makes several classes make far less sense. There were far better ways to address it, including:
>changing the multiclass rules to require a certain number of levels in all your classes
>balancing the subclass 1st-level features so that they weren’t so wildly out of line with each other
>not including any features that let you use non-physical ability scores for weapon attacks
And that’s just off the top of my head while shitposting at work

>>95936747
So you don't see a problem with using the powers granted from your oath before you take that oath?

>>95936967
Not really. I actually like the idea of getting to level three and doing an oath swearing ceremony for the player where they’re entered into an order and established as an oath bound hero. Gives a good RP situation and helps show off their character.

We’ve got characters casting spells at lv 1 from their race so why would I care about paladins having access to some spells prior to 3rd?

>>95937206
>whataboutism
Because, prior to swearing the oath, a paladin is theoretically no different from a fighter.

>>95937206
What about a warlock? Isn't the boon and subclass assbackwards? How is a warlock not supposed to know what's giving him powers?
Or a sorcerer somehow just avoids consequences of using magic from his bloodline until level 3

>>95937266
>be me
>sorcerer
>honing my control over the magic that naturally flows through my veins
>getting better and better at doing so
>someday, maybe I’ll learn where it comes from
>but, until then, I work to be master of myself and my destiny
>reach a milestone in my journey of self-control
>random fireball
>accidentally turn someone into a potted plant
>I’m blue now

>>95937266
Warlock could've, possibly should've, been named Occultist.

Some bumblefuck playing god with powers that they don't know where they come from? Maybe did some research, found some shit they shouldn't have, had a sleepover to "do this totally dark ritual, you guys", and played Bloody Mary the *right* way. BAM; That's how the first few levels work.

>>95937234
Probably the path they’re taking in life would indicate the differences, but what do I know. Strange would it be that someone wants to be a paladin and swears and oath but is unwilling to learn and begin practicing the tenets.

>>95937266
1 lv you’ve tapped into some magics and some otherworldly powers. Lev 3 you’re relationship is established and you’re granted further powers

>>95937288
Lv1 you’ve got some spark of power, lv 3 the powers manifest and show their true nature

Y’all are horrible at this

sorcerer and paladin is the only one I'm not comfortable with not getting at 1st.

>cleric
you're a cleric for a god and they bestow upon you your power, you become chosen by said god and blessed with abilities from their domain after proving yourself. easy

>warlock
you seek out and learn esoteric knowledge, it's kinda built into the class. It's why a celestial warlock can still have devil sight and fiendish vigor learned from devils, or mask of many faces and gaze of two minds from eldritch entities.

>sorcerer
"they're magical...because they are!" is shit. No rhyme or reason? Might as well delete the class and make their features available to other spell casters as feats. They're not a real class.

>paladin
Paladins would be just fine if they gained power through faith in a higher power. But they don't. They believe in themselves, and apparently that gives them superpowers, and they just need to believe in themselves HARDER to gain more.

But if their abilities came though faith in a higher power, like a god then you can easily explain it away in the same manner as clerics.

>>95935920
>5.0 isn't real somehow

Nice gaslight lol.

5.5 is the correct name of the revision that occurred when they printed the 5.5 version of the player's handbook last year, and everything past it.

5.0 is everything before it.

I run 5.0 so I know how to define it. So do you. So does everyone.

Fun fact: in 20 years, there will have been about ten times the 5.0 games run as 5.5 games.

>>95937492
>Y’all are horrible at this
Don’t pretend you’re some kind of secret genius for figuring out a way to explain something that is retarded. I can sit here all day and come up with justifications and explanations for whatever inconsistencies I find in a given story or game. That doesn’t mean those holes in the logic weren’t there in the first place, nor is it inherently superior to excuse those things rather than fix them.

>>95937787
All I did was read the phb

>>95937694
Um actually, they’re both 5e. One is just the 2014 release and the other is the 2024 release

>>95933017
Curate players that you enjoy spending time with regardless of the activity.

>>95937878
Using the term "5e" or "5.X" to refer to both does make sense, but I do see people use "5e" specifically to refer to 5.0. In these cases they usually refer to 5.5 as "One D&D" or something like that though (using the name of the playtest, like calling 5.0 "D&D Next" more than a decade since that term meant anything).

Calling them by the year of their first book is good enough- it at least doesn't pretend that "there's no such thing as 5.0" or whatever- but it's nowhere near as clear or accurate as the 5.0/5.5 naming, and it isn't as precise at implying that the two are different subversions (which they are). It's also been chosen by Hasbro for exactly this reason, which is a good enough reason to relegate this as being not quite as correct as 5.0 and 5.5, in that it's been chosen to muddle the conversation slightly.

>>95937206
>Not really
Damn, what's it like being a retard?

>>95937878
Just like how nobody calls 3.5e 3rd edition, 5e is the 2014 version, while 5.5 is the 2024 edition

>>95937694
Speaking of gaslighting, show me the phb that is titled 5.5

>>95934842
1d10 hitting every other turn averages out to 27.5 damage

>>95935671
>bringing in idiotic shit from their badly written books
Pot, meet kettle.

>>95937878
NTA but isn´t the name for the new one literally 5e 2024?

>>95933857
>>95933905
The difference between a child and young adult Halflings are minimal, specially female ones.

>>95932172
>>95932244
I like human male Paladin of vengeance folk hero.

>>95926729
I do think there's too many abilities. My hope for a next edition is that they streamline a lot of things without getting barebones like Shadowdark.

>>95938468
Maybe lightfoots, stouts are bottom heavy pear shaped pawgs

>>95938557
*paags

>>95938565
>asians
>stout
ghostwise are the asians

>Because these folk are clannish and mistrustful of outsiders

>>95938557
>>95938565
>>95938585
>fat girl butts killed /5eg/

Cat girls >>> Tabaxi

>>95938981
I like cat girls.

>>95928776
Where the fuck are the higher level big attack roll spells?
I just want a nuke that targets a guy's AC, not saves.

>>95939387
Upcast lower-level spells, dummy.

>>95938468
Nah, the facial features are clearly adult and while the body sizes and limb proportions are similar the shapes are more adult too, stuff like waist and bust and and feet size.

>>95937266
The given explanation is that you're binding yourself to a patron that you don't yet know the true nature of.

Frankly, it's better for a game to have the pact be fully formed and your patron revealed as part of the campaign, rather than as a facet of backstory.

>>95938981
Depends on the context. As a player race and one that exists in a setting, tabaxi are more interesting.
Personally, as a non-furry, given the choice I'd fuck a catgirl.

>>95939401
That's so lame though. And so many have shit upcasting. What, am I going to cast Witch Bolt at 6th level and have it's bonus effect still be 1d12 damage?

The tradeoff for having an upper-level only spell is that you limit your versatility with it, in exchange for better scaling effects. You can't downcast to 4th level or whatever, but it's better outright than a 4th level spell being upcast.

>>95937266
>>95939444
The PHB description is dumb. You can know your patron and just not get subclass-specific abilities until 3rd level. The explanation that you don't actually know your patron yet is unnecessary. It could work for some characters but suggesting as the default option for all warlocks to justify the subclass being gained at 3rd level is unnecessary.

>>95939444
>it's better for a game to have the pact be fully formed and your patron revealed as part of the campaign
No, it really isn’t. That completely destroys the angle of the warlock carefully hiding the nature of their patron from the rest of the party, denying you a number of iconic story beats. In exchange for, what, forcing half an hour of a session to be all about you? Nah, fuck that. Any DM worth their salt will roleplay the pact portion of your backstory with you before the first session.

>>95939509
hey retard, not everything has to be done at the table. that type of relationship can still be developed in secret w/ the dm and the player.

>>95939541
Then what’s the advantage to it happening during the campaign instead of before it?

>>95928776
>>95939387
I think I was thinking of spells the other day

>Cat Step
1st level Illusion
cast time : 1 bonus action
components: the nail of a black cat
Duration:1 minute

For the duration, if you trigger a trap, or magical trap such as alarm, cordon of arrows, or glyph of warding, make a Dexterity saving throw (DC 15). On a success, the trap or magical trap is not triggered, and you pass through its space safely.

Maybe 1st level is too low, but my idea is that necessity is the mother of invention. Spells should often be created to solve a problem.

>Wizards concentrate on large spells to defeat other wizards
>Wizards invent magic missile to break the concentration of other wizards
>Wizards creat the shield spell that increase their AC but also invalidates magic missiles

From a lore perspective, that makes sense. and I thought of the alarm spell in the same way

>magic miscreants break into a wizards home
>wizard invents a spell that signals when someone unidtenfied crosses the threshold, alarm
>spell casting thieves invent a new spell to avoid alarm and other magical traps
there should be more spells that might be niche and never picked by a player, but that exist anyway to explain why something in the world works that way.

>>95939509
Depends on the pact. I've always found warlock pacts annoying in games. Everyone else gets their powers without becoming a butt boy to a demon or whatever the fuck. I rarely make it have much of an impact on the game, instead the warlock's patron is usually some far away entity or one that makes few demands.

>>95939280
I like this one.
Honestly looks like a fun and pretty strong race to play - higher movement speed and climb speed is a great combo, AC and save bonuses are pretty darn strong and they work with light and medium armour too, and the other stuff isn’t as powerful but is nice to have.

>>95939460
Yeah I’m less furry inclined too. I think beast-people work just fine setting wise so I’d lean that way myself

>>95939857
Yea, if you honestly look at tabaxi, they get proficiency in two of the best skills, and then speed boost is unique to them and quite powerful.

Is that no action dash worth +1 ac and +2 dex saves? I think so.

>>95939713
You only need to be a demon buttboy at level up, it's clerics who are the eternal beta-bitch.

>>95939509
I prefer to play warlocks as casters who study occult knowledge instead of just getting magic from a deal with Cthulhu or whatever (their description even makes them sound like intelligence casters though they are charisma casters). Cthulhu might be the power behind the occult knowledge, but he doesn't give a shit about the character. DMing patron interactions for a warlock who wants that should definitely be done outside the game sessions though.

>>95939981
>instead of just getting magic from a deal
That's literally the entire concept behind warlock, though. It's called Pact Magic for a reason.

>>95939916

>>95939993
Yes, and I like to play pacts as Lovecraftian research rather than a deal with the devil.

>>95939708
This sucks.
It’s anti-fun.

>>95940029
Anon, do you know what "pact" means?

>>95939993
The 2014 PHB said you could have a GOO pact without your patron knowing you exist, so it obviously doesn't have to be a literal pact.

>>95940046
Let's not pretend that every flavor of warlock makes a "formal agreement". The source of power may come from Cthulhu (to use my previous example), but your pact could be the sort of obsession your character has with uncovering the occult knowledge to gain power in exchange for the subtle or not-so-subtle influence Lovecraftian powers have over mortal minds.

>>95940083
its been shown a few times that the people complaining about the lore behind the mechanics havent read the books in a little while

Tell me about Aarakocra
What makes them interesting as a race
Is there any lore about them interesting or do they exclusively exist for white room theorycrafter powerbuilding
Because I've never seen one that wasn't just "haha aren't birds funny"

>>95940287
Okay but birds ARE funny

>>95940022
Don't tip at me, tip at crawdad

>>95940287
They’re Kenku for people who don’t want to deal with the minicry stuff

>>95940287
I reflavor them as harpies (they can be male too) to make them better.

>>95940287
Have you read their lore in the eepc?

>Sequestered in high mountains atop tall trees, the aarakocra, sometimes called birdfolk, evoke fear and wonder. Many aarakocra aren't even native to the Material Plane. They hail from a world beyond-from the boundless vistas of the Elemental Plane of Air. They are immigrants, refugees, scouts, and explorers, their outposts functioning as footholds in a world both strange and alien.

also, people who think kenku are weird and aarakocra are normal >>95940332 are mistaken.

>Many aarakocra punctuate their speech with chirps, sounds they use to convey emphasis and to shade meaning, much as a human might through facial expressions and gestures. An aarakocra might become frustrated with people who fail to pick up on the nuances; an aarakocra's threat might be taken as a jest and vice versa.
>The idea of ownership baffles most aarakocra. After all, who owns the sky? Even when explained to them, they initially find the notion of ownership mystifying.
>As a result, aarakocra who have little interaction with other people might be a nuisance as they drop from the sky to snatch livestock or plunder harvests for fruits and grains. Shiny, glittering objects catch their eyes. They find it hard not to pluck the treasure and bring it back to their settlement to beautify it. An aarakocra who spends years among other races can learn to inhibit these impulses.
>Confinement terrifies the aarakocra. To be grounded, trapped underground, or imprisoned by the cold, unyielding earth is a torment few aarakocra can withstand. Even when perched on a high branch or at rest in their mountaintop homes, they appear alert, with eyes moving and bodies ready to take flight.

And this is just an intro from early 5e. If you want more, look up older editions and all the weird shit they do.

speaking of birds, i'm a fan of the rito from zelda and their bird foot archery

>>95940361
There was a harpy/siren race from one of the planeshift setting, yea?

>>95940670
I'll look into old stuff and eepc
They've always felt kind of underdeveloped/underused to me. I like the Rito in Wind Waker (though that's partly thanks to Medli)
Otherwise avian people feel really oddly left out in fantasy despite the near worldwide existence of some sort of "person, but bird features".

>>95940670
>Movie has an Aarakocra
>He's basically just a parole board member
>MC's plan revolves around him being there and stalls for time in a speech that convinces them to release the two of them
>MC is so hung up on executing his plan though that he doesn't hear that and they grab him when he shows up, jumping out the window with him to force him to act like a hang glider
Pretty much a perfect "player plans" moment.

>DM starts making up houserules to nerf player abilities three sessions into the game
should I bail

>>95940932
No? It’s not like everything is going to be apparent before the game. If it’s not working why wouldn’t the dm change things up instead of just trudging along repeating the problem without doing anything.
It’s not like “the rules” are perfect by any means, if someone seriously thinks that way I doubt they’ve been playing longer than a month or two. Homebrewing and rules alterations are the default

>>95940932
More context reauired

>>95940932
Yeah, probably. The system is old enough to where any competent DM already has fixes to whatever issue they have with it, so the fact that they didn't know about it beforehand would be a bit worrisome. What is he having generals issues with? Because that really makes the difference between "newb who is still learning" and ShitDM.

>>95941070
> The system is old enough to where any competent DM already has fixes to whatever issue they have with it,
I mean like - 1 a system being old doesn’t mean there aren’t people new to it, whether they’ve played other stuff before or are fresh, and there’s no reason to shit on either of those kinds of people, and 2 - if it’s the 2024 rules, that’s not old at all and your post makes no sense.

As a bard, what are some important utility spells to take if the rest of the party consists of a ranger, a monk, and a barbarian?

>>95941094
Sorta depends on the kinds of Ranger/Monk/Barbarian/Bard you all are - if it’s a Mercy Monk for example you wouldn’t have to go out of your way for healing. You likely don’t need to add much single-target damage by yourself here, so supporting your teammates and some Area control are probably what you’re aiming for.
Fairie Fire would be nice early on - everyone else is going to benefit from that a lot. Aid, Hypnotic Pattern, Silence, Dispel Magic, Greater Invisibility are ones to look at too
Knock isn’t bad utility if no one else can do locks, but might get replaced later on once your skill rolls become nonsense.

>>95940031

?

why?

>>95941091
If someone is new to it, they aren't yet competent, so the original post stands. As to your second comment, nobody competent is switching to 5.5, so it's a nonissue.

>>95940932
No, but you should be allowed to ask for a free respec if you don't like what the changes do to your character. While it's important to like your character as an avatar for you to interact with the game world, it's also important for similar reasons to enjoy them mechanically. Small changes can make a big impact on that.
What changes did the DM make to get you questioning your ability to enjoy the game?

>>95940932
anon is right >>95941361
>"Hey DM, I made this character because you were cool with them, but after nerfing them i'm not feeling it, can change X and Y?"

If he says no, then it's reasonable to bail.

>>95940932
depends on the houserules, more context and specific nerfs need to be posted

Is it just me or is the new truestrike actually really good? You can just use any weapon and it’ll deal more than other cantrips using what should be your best stat. You can also swap the damage type to radiant to get past resistance.

Mental stats for weapon attacks are dumb.

>>95940287
>What makes them interesting as a race
Cloaca

>>95932172
Yes, based on the classics

>>95941848
Incredibly so, yes. I’ve homebrewed all those features away for my games.

>>95942371
Even shillelagh?

>>95941840
It's one of the best cantrips now. It's worth taking magic initiate just for that on some builds now.

>stealth
>sneak attack
>reliable talent
>lucky
Did I just solve the minmax for rogues doing as much damage in one attack as possible?

>>95942418
reliable talent doesnt help for damage
you dont even need to hide for advantage, you can steady aim

Anyone hear anything about if new Artificer still has armor of magical strength? I didnt see it in the first UA so I'm worried I might be fucked

>>95942383
Even shillelagh. If you leave one way in, I people just contort themselves to try to make that one way work with whatever else they’re doing.

>>95942472
>Duskmourn
Thanks for the easy indicator that you have utterly shit taste.

>>95942705
I don’t play MtG, just use the boxes for holding pens and dice.

>>95942508
So why aren’t most people taking heavy damage rogues? They’re better than fighters and barbarians

>>95942814
extra attack is the same damage potential as sneak attack, rogues arent inherently better and fighters can use feats and weapons that rogues cant to deal more damage

Is Mystra alive?

>level 13 war cleric
>get temporarily giga-blessed
>meaning I get to select 1 additional subclass from ANY class and receive its level-appropriate abilities and spells
>no hit dice, no saves, nothing else

Which one would work best for me, bros? I wanna be as broken as possible.

>>95942814
Because Rogues are great for spike damage early on, but their real strength is in their utility while not being complete dead weight in a fight. They need momentum to keep trucking in combat though. Fighters and Barbs are tougher, consistent, and once extra attack comes online they've got equal damage potential and, as the other anon mentioned, more options for direct combat. People thinking Sneak Attack Rogue is OP is a noob trap that totally misses the point of the class and is largely based on white room theory. Rogue is good and can hold its own, but doing the best damage early is the least of your strengths.

>>95943257
So like you could have the entire fighter up to lv 13 w/ triple attacks? That’s pretty cool or you could go ultra caster w/ wizard

>>95943413
Yep, triple attacks, just no hit dice or saves or anything of the sort. I'm trying to decide between rogue and fighter because rogue has a fuckton of innate utility.

>>95943413
>>95943425
>triple attacks
That’s a fighter feature, not one of the subclass features

>>95943483
It isn't? Never mind then

>>95943780
Did you not know the difference between a class and a subclass?

>>95940859
>He was going to let them go
Funny.

>>95943804
Oh boy, access to the thief subclass, gotta love the fast hands and supreme sneak (oh wait I can’t use that because I have no sneak attack dice)

>>95943923
What else are you using your bonus action for that's better than zapping a wand of paralysis or something every round?

Why does no one ever read the fucking book… I don’t care if we ignore rules I just don’t want to waste time listening to two retards argue over how to resolve something that the rules explain clearly…

>>95943923
Anon could go champion for extended crit ranges, a fighting style and heroic inspiration.

Should I have my party level up to 17 for the finale session, or not bother? They’re all multiclass, so nobody would be getting a new level of spells. On the one hand, it feels like they should get another level for everything they did to get to this point. On the other hand, it’s only for one session anyway, so there’s pretty minimal gain.

>>95944636
Levelling up before the finale is cool

>>95932172
>white
>male
>fighter
>chad
>non-human female npc that is obsessed with you, preferably a short race

It's gaming time

>>95944995
>non-human female npc that is obsessed with you, preferably a short race

You mean like a cat girl or an elf girl or a goth girl?

>>95944995
>>non-human female npc that is obsessed with you, preferably a short race
I like the idea of replacing halfling with mouse folk, with ratfolk being mousefolk who worshiped abyssal demons hundreds of years ago and were cursed

>>95945578
Rats are cool, though. Mice are bitey little assholes.

>>95945586
Too much good skaven art to make them good guys.

>>95945586
just too cool to be good. And since they replace stout halflings, they get the poison resistance, an inheritance from abyssal demons.

Someone explain to me the appeal of dungeons in some of these modules and how you're supposed to approach them.

Im a more narrative/social TTRPG enjoyer, but I done enjoy challenges, but some of these dungeons have some Dark Souls level retarded fuckery where you either have to metagame, read the designers mind, or just poke everything with the 6 foot pole meme, slowing the game to an dead stop and playing a glorified game of mother may I.

Why are they designed this way? How is this fun?

>>95945668
its fun to explore dangerous and mysterious locations, fighting monsters, avoiding traps, and finding treasures unseen for ages

>>95945679
>Ignores 75% of the post and it's criticisms
10/10 reply anon.

>>95945668
Because treasure is meaningless unless it's counterbalanced by the treat of painful, agonizing failure.

>>95945790
Im all for failure but Im not here to throw a character sheet into the paper shredder because "Oops sorry anon this completely normal looking room is actually filled with odorless, colorless carbon monoxide, youre dead lol!!!!!"

Challenges are supposed to be challenging. Mind reading and sucker punches arent a fucking challenge.

>>95945807
i concur, your DM should probably not have instant death mechanics in their game that arent foreshadowed.

that's not really a fault of the dungeon in theory, and more of bad dungeon design by whoever made it

>>95945668
>or just poke everything with the 6 foot pole meme

part of role play is role playing someone who is trying to stay alive in dangerous places.

>>95945858
>Pokes with stick
>Does anything happen?
>Pokes with stick
>Does anything happen?
>Pokes with stick
>Does anything happen?
>Pokes with stick
>Does anything happen?
>DUDE WHAT IM JUST BEING CAUTIOUS!
Exhilarating fucking gameplay

>>95945829
Theres too many mechanics in these modules that basically require you to have a certain spell and know how to use them and exactly when.

Theres a Call of the Netherdeep puzzle that is, RAW, unsolvable without brute force unless someone in your party has See Invisibility and knows exactly to use it in that room and how to interpret it.

I don't have an inherent problem with dungeons, but too many dungeons made by WotC have hyper specific shit like this that no normal player would ever figure out unless youre metagaming. Thats not fun. That's not challenging.

Thats like asking you to complete a jigsaw and youre supposed to know Ive shoved one of the pieces up my ass and if you didnt immediately guess that and cry foul I say youre just mad at being "challenged"

>>95945936
>Call of the Netherdeep
mhmm

>but too many dungeons made by WotC have hyper specific shit like this that no normal player would ever figure out unless youre metagaming
could you name an example of one of these so i can look at it, and it better not be Tomb of Horrors

>>95945936
>Theres a Call of the Netherdeep puzzle that is, RAW, unsolvable without brute force unless someone in your party has See Invisibility and knows exactly to use it in that room and how to interpret it.


Not sure what that puzzle is, but what about detect magic?

>>95945952

>Call of the Netherdeep
The Basillica of Revelry must be brute forced if your party doesn't have See Invisibility for the Spiders Chancel

>Curse of Strahd
Victor's Workroom can instakill a player if they touch the teleportation circle.

There are plenty more but these are two exmaples I can think of that struck me as completely ridiculous.

These modules have a really nasty tendency of treating TTRPGs like a video game, where the player is an infallible avatar and will always know and take the most optimal build paths and party compositions.

Most people don't approach or treat DND like that.

>>95946053

>Hidden Singers. A see invisibility spell or similar magic reveals a mural composed of ghostly figures on the walls of the chamber. The figures all have their mouths open as though singing or screaming. One figure in the middle of the north wall holds a large book that glows faintly and is warm to the touch. Pressing on the book in the mural opens a secret door in the northeast corner of the room, which can also be found by examining that section of wall and succeeding on a DC 20 Intelligence (Investigation) check. Beyond the secret door is a small room lined with moldering, leather-bound books. Each tome contains barely legible scrawlings in Abyssal written by an unsteady hand, detailing the demon lords' alliances with the Betrayer Gods during the Calamity.

As far as I understand, no. And that spell leads you to a book that instructs you how to solve a future puzzle that is basically a glorified game of Simon.

If you guess wrong, 22 damage per fail. If you brute force it, whoever broke it cannot regain Hit Points unless theyre hit with Remove Curse, which not every party will have access to.

I just don't like this design philosophy of having to take it up the ass just because you can't think of the exact solution the module designer demands.

>>95946062
>Victor's Workroom can instakill a player if they touch the teleportation circle.
i'll concede that the trapped room is kind of cringe (as is other trapped areas of the area which are pretty obviously trapped) but you'd have to jump through a lot of hoops to be insta gibbed (3d10 damage btw after casting teleportation circle and standing on the circle) by the teleport circle.

contrary to your video game argument, curse of strahd is a great example of an adventure that just lets the players mess around with the world and see what they get.

>Call of the Netherdeep
im not looking at that, i've not played it and all i know is that its critical role

>>95946081
>A see invisibility spell or similar magic reveals
I can see how this would be annoying. personally, I think detect magic would be "similar magic".

>>95945668
> or just poke everything with the 6 foot pole meme
This is fun for me
I enjoy thoroughly prodding an environment and figuring out how stuff works. Comparing to social games (maybe idk what social games you’re looking at specifically), if you are playing a detective it is the joy in investigating a crime scene and analyzing what’s there in front of you - you just have to think and ask and evaluate.

>>95946349
its like playing a point and click adventure but you can point at anything, its great

>>95946421
>his DM has never told him that he doesn’t know how to get ye flask

>>95946457
>Attempting to pick your nose without proficiency might kill you

>thought I'd get back to tabletop RPGs
>haven't followed D&D in years
>look up the 5th edition books and stuff
What happened to the artwork and typography? These are pretty horrible.
I think I'll just stay with 3.5 or just change franchise altogether.

Are there any hacks/homebrews to make the magic system not insanely D&D specific? As in, if you want to learn magic that's a thing you do, just like learning to swing a sword around, and then if you're religious that's unrelated. I want to use D&D for my medieval fantasy setting, but basically nothing that's not D&D or a D&D derivative says only priests can heal you (and even a lot of D&D derivatives just call them white mages).

This isn't about Vancian, it's about the weird specificity of the classes, really.

>>95947203
>What happened to the [...] typography?
thats a new nitpick for sure, let the door hit you on the way out

>>95947203
I-I mean they do an alright job selling it as just, look, it's like all these normal every day people got teleported to d&d world just like the cartoon! That's why all the PC art is of alll sorts of people you'd see walking on the street like a Mexican grandmother were dressed up as clerics and stuff! Some of the art isn't terrible. I really like the rules I think. First real session is this Monday assuming people show up.

>>95947255
Try being less of a retard next life

>>95947320
You're right, I should simply Not Play D&D.

>>95947255
Multiclassing?

>>95947328
just reference the SRD which removes a some of the d&disms to protect their IP.

>>95947255
>basically nothing that's not D&D or a D&D derivative says only priests can heal you
D&D doesn't do that, either. Bards, rangers, paladins, druids, and some sorcerers and warlocks are all completely capable of healing you.

>>95947284
What door? Are you talking about a big and sturdy oak door?

>>95947444
No, like a tattered screen door being slammed in boston.

>>95945668
for me my confusion when reading modules full of dungeons is how fucking long do they expect it to take

like my players just went through a hallway with 3 rooms, it took 2h. none of the rooms had combat. first was recovering an item floating from a beam of energy, the second was talking to an imprisonned imp, the last was just the final mcguffin button

i dont understand how people go through dungeons with 20 rooms much less those mega dungeons with 100s of them without taking 20h

>inb4 retarded players are slow
they weren't even slow, just discussing between them their options, making choices, etc. it was just normal pace

>>95947255
I'll remind you that 5E doesn't really do "vancian" casting anymore anyways. PF2E does, in that prepared casters need to actually prepare each specific spell they can use each day.

>>95947630
3 rooms taking 2 hours is actually slow, just so you're aware

>>95947255
I want to use D&D for my medieval fantasy setting
ok...
>but basically nothing that's not D&D or a D&D derivative says only priests can heal you (and even a lot of D&D derivatives just call them white mages).
So it sounds like you want ONLY priests to be able to heal? Is that it? I suppose that means you should define what a priest is.

For me at least, clerics and paladins, and druids are priests, for gods and nature respectfully. if you want to remove healing spells from other classes, that's fine

How large in scale have the conflicts in your previous (or current) campaigns been?

>>95947932
Maybe 2-3 years ago, we had to run out of a whole ass district while an entire army was chasing us after we accomplished our mission, our paladin had to enlarge himself and drag our dying wizard after his pegasus got obliterated by rooftop archers

>>95948053
Woah. What in the hell were you guys doing? How'd completing your mission earn the ire of an entire district, and especially how'd you manage that without your party's Paladin killing the rest of you for committing an evil deed?

>>95948097
>What in the hell were you guys doing?
Information gathering or assassination, I honestly can't remember
>How'd completing your mission earn the ire of an entire district,
I think it was that what we had planned went over the allotted time that the commander said they could keep the enemy forces distracted, so they returned as we were escaping
>especially how'd you manage that without your party's Paladin killing the rest of you for committing an evil deed?
He was a paladin of conquest I.e, based.

>>95948097
>>95948120

oh yea, it was a sort of civil war

>>95948120
Around what level was your party when this occurred, and would you be willing to talk about how the campaign (in-game, mind you) began?

>>95948128
>Around what level was your party when this occurred
12 or 13, I can't recall because I looked back and it was 4 years ago.
Damn.

>Would you be willing to talk about how the campaign (in-game, mind you) began?
No ty because he's /here/

>>95947932
>previous
Global from get go, the PCs started as refugees from a continent swallowed by the demonic invasion
>current
Kind of a civil war, the previous government imploded and the party are the rightful heirs, there's also a world-ending threat slowly brewing but if all goes right it will be culled before even leaving the region

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