Is B2: Keep on the Borderlands a good starting adventure? I mean both back when it was included with basic, and the upcoming 2024 starter set

>>95938386 (OP)
>woke version of a classic adventure

ultra yikes

>>95938931
actually its based, getting people to play the classics and the cultural history of the genre is good

>>95938386 (OP)
What the hell is the trannyfaggot 'fighter' even wearing? A cone hat and leather clothes? Wtaf?

>>95938386 (OP)
Im sorry but, what the fuck is that art?

>>95938386 (OP)
looks like dogshit. just play bx b2

>>95938386 (OP)
Yknow, they at least used to have decent art. Jesus Christ.

>>95938931
what does that even mean?

>>95940885
This. It's nothing else.

>>95940964
kys redditor
>>95939316
true

>>95941078
>kys redditor
as per above: what does this even mean?

>>95941083
inability to use context clue is a sure sign of autism

OP here, are you even sure that the new artwork looks any worse than vintage artworks? Also, the topic how do you feel about Keep on the Borderlands as a starting adventure?

>>95941328
i feel like youre a a shitty troll/shill

>>95941083
It means: thing I dont like

>>95939515
Looks like the artist tried to give him/her/them/it a bronze age aesthetic but didn't know how to do that. The cone looks like a small version of pic related and the "leather armor" looks like a motorcycle jacket with short sleeves. fuck knows what the clothing underneath is supposed to be.

>>95941328
>the topic how do you feel about Keep on the Borderlands as a starting adventure?
unlike B1: into the unknown, which is a pure dungeon crawl
keep on the borderlands features a more sandbox like approach, players all stay at their "Homebase" are given a vague goal, clear the caves of chaos, and can explore the region at their leisure
most of the POIs you can visit arent even directly related to the caves of chaos, they are just fun encounters
it also encourages you to signpost dangers within the cave via talking to the denizens of the keep, the list of rumours helps here

its a good introduction to non-linear adventures and the rhythm of your typical DnD game
its also deliberately short on any proper nouns of any kind, further encouraging a DM to get used to naming people as you see fit

its certainly a very good choice for learning how to play campaigns that arent just one giant corridor of loot and monsters

>Keep on the Borderlands

Are they going to have the room with 50 orc children in it?

>>95942656
Why the fuck is /tg/ so obsessed with this game's shitty ass art?
The only one who doesn't look stupid as fuck is the bootleg Deedlit

>>95938386 (OP)
The original is great. Going by the Goodman 5e version of it I imagine the starter set version will be caca.

>>95941328
That middle one is incredible and if they made a rule to just reuse it for every starter set instead of ordering new art it would be an unambiguous, objective improvement.

>>95941384
These are probably the greatest headwear in the history of mankind.

>>95938386 (OP)
Nu Dnd is so ass I don't even pirate the art.

>>95943080
Who the fuck pirates art? Get off your high horse Jesus

>>95941402
sounds like WotC made a good decision in incorporating this adventure into the starter set. from what I've heard about it, it encourages every player to step in as DM eventually. it also has rules for running games with multiple DM's

>>95942765
the middle one looks like the new core rulebooks

>>95938386 (OP)
For Basic and AD&D 1E sure.
Doubt it for 5E considering it's a sandbox locale.

>>95942670
It's okay to admit you have horrible taste, Anon.

>>95945886
Seems not since that shit art keeps getting posted.

>>95945875
5e is perfect for sandboxes, if you do nothing but dungeons and combat it gets tedious

>>95938386 (OP)
DM'ed the updated 5e version by Goodman Games a few years ago and it felt very bare bones, also the book is formatted terribly for actual play. The castle town area that the players are supposed to spend their downtime in isn't very developed, you'll have to come up with a ton of names for npcs and motivations for players to interact with them as the book provides neither. The maps are cool if you dig the retro pure dungeon crawler vibe, but you will have to put some loot into them that makes exploration more worthwhile. Honestly it was a fun campaign for me and my group but the module is borderline unplayable as provided and it took a lot of work to actually make it interesting as a backdrop for dungeon crawling, nearly as much as making a campaign from scratch.

>>95938386 (OP)
>all the brownwashed character art
This thing is going to be a disaster. Shame, because a 5E Keep on the Borderlands would have been an amazing thing to remind all the critical retards that this thing is supposed to be a game.

>>95946583
Who's brownwashed exactly?

>>95946394
I wonder if the starter set will handle the town better

>>95946394
>you'll have to come up with a ton of names for npcs and motivations for players to interact with them as the book provides neither
that is how the original adventure went
the idea was for DMs to invent all of those themselves

>>95938386 (OP)
man I've come to really dislike this 'unfinished' digital look. Like, that wrap/cape/whatever around the legs just fucking scribbles of color. Pic doesn't even have the decency of being as interesting as impressionism.

>>95950303
the painting look?

>>95950377
Not exactly. Impressionism is based around the idea of catching the 'essence' of a moment, usually by focusing on light and color. Characterized by visible brush strokes. Pic related.
OP image just looks unfinished to me, since it's got areas of full detail (like the face/dragon) and areas that are just a couple lazy-looking digital strokes that lack the character of a physical brush.

>>95950377
I just posted the original Keep on the Borderlands art because no one else had yet

>>95950408
I was talking about the OP, it looks like a painting, yet you call it unfinished. no clue what unfinished is supposed to mean. loose brushstrokes

>>95950470
I means "I don't like it, but I can't just say 'i don't like it' so I'll use unquantifiable words like 'unfinished' to 'prove' it's bad."

it reminds me of early Pokemon, I was under the impression that old style was well loved? allowing stuff to blend with other stuff

>>95950470
What I mean:
While areas like the face and the dragon's head are rendered in much finer detail, smaller brush strokes, and blended together more completely, bits like the circled area are done in a few large strokes that are left unrendered- it works for the background, because that's not too dissimilar to how we see things that are far away (just blobs of color). I think it doesn't work well for a foreground element, because it clashes with the more defined areas that is sits next to. It looks like the beginning phase of the render- a sketch of color to establish form and value- so that's why I say it looks unfinished to me.
>>95950778
I don't like it. All the above is my explanation as to why I don't like it: it looks unfinished *to me*. I'm not trying to prove it's bad, I'm trying to explain why *I* don't like it. You can like it all you want, I don't care.

>>95951195
derp