why are all necromancers evil again?

>>95939336 (OP)
slavery is bad

>>95939366
they're just bones animated by magic

It's wrong to mess with the corpses of other people for your own selfish gain.

>>95939383
you might as well just animate a suit of armour or a pile of dirt. necromancy without souls is gay and boring.

>>95939384
as if mages ever gave a shit about peasants anyway. what about the druid coercing animals to charge suicidally into the enemy? or the seers minding your business and reading your mind? corpses are things people get rid of anyway, they stink and can spread maladies. what's the harm iin putting them at good use, especially if they're unwanted ones? there's plenty of unmarked graves and battle sites where bodies just rot unused.

1. Makes corpses immeasurably valuable. The last thing you want is people profiting from creating corpses, because capitalism is incredibly hard to keep in check and the ultimate result is people in power deciding that entire populations are better undead rather than alive.

2. Makes a foul mockery of life. Undeath is not resurrection: the resulting creature must be different from a living creature. If your undead are sparkling vampires that are virtually identical to living creatures but better, you have failed as a writer.

3. Best candidate for an evil magic. Having an entire branch of magic be evil/forbidden is a cool concept. Aside from Demon Summoning (which Necromancy shares a lot with), Necromancy is probably the best to use as an inherently evil magic, with the only other really strong contenders being "Disease" magic (which is gross) and "Mind Control" magic, which seems to gets a pass pretty often because it's often used to avoid violence.

4. Good necromancers are fine in comedies and other things not meant to be taken too seriously.

>why is turning people's loved one's into mindless automatons frowned upon?

They mess with negative energy, a that exacts a severe cost, no matter what. Only the crazed, psychos, twisted, etc, will pay it because to them the cost doesn’t matter. Basically you can to be heavily geared towards evil to get into it.

>>95939336 (OP)
Depends on what system and setting you're talking about. Which is?

>>95939336 (OP)
It's free labor stealing people's jobs. Just like AI.

>>95939437
>corpses are things people get rid of anyway, they stink and can spread maladies
Yeah, so what kind of slack-jawed, mouthbreathing retard thinks it's a good idea to make them walk around?

>>95939336 (OP)
Talking to souls and spirits to help them move on or help resolve what is troubling them is always good.

Enslaving them or using corpses to house the souls of demons is always bad

>>95939496
Is turning people's loved ones into ash in front of their eyes more ethical somehow? If you're using magic to fuck people up with the intent to kill, you're most likely already using it on your enemies, whether their bodies become ash, skeleton workers, goo, or just disintegrate isn't very relevant for the sake of argument you're trying to make.

>>95939437
>as if mages ever gave a shit about peasants anyway
yeah those mages are evil too

>>95939729
Canon necromancy in most systems don't involves enslaving souls or binding demons to corpses

>>95939734
>Is turning people's loved ones into ash in front of their eyes more ethical somehow?
Unironically yes.

>>95939749

>>95939336 (OP)
In D&D the only part of necromancy that is explicitly evil is the creation of undead because they violate the natural order, are made out of negative energy, and require desecration of the dead which is a big no-no in Christianity. (Christianity does not exist within D&D but the designers were Christian and that shapes the morality of it)
Most other settings vaguely abide by these rules as well due to either direct influence or just the fact that they make some kind of logical sense.
There are several archetypes of "necromancers" that aren't evil and show up all the time. Spirit mediums that commune with the dead are spooky but not evil usually, Priests heal and raise the dead, perform rites for the dead, and banish the undead which is all under the purview of necromancy.
Depending on the setting and writer, the more mystical versions of vampire hunters tend to use necromantic magic fitting with a setting that contains vampires.

There's also no real good justification for making moving corpses being anything other than evil. Even if they're not fueled by some kind of vague nebulous bad juju, you run into the problem of if you can make something move with no downsides literally why are you using human corpses. If the answer isn't VERY convincing well you're kind of at least morally ambiguous because corpses aren't exactly something most people want to see. For good reason I might add.

>>95939336 (OP)
Necromancy is not just 'animating souls' its summoning "undead" spirits to animate them.

Any setting that has Necromancy be a harmless magic is sterile and lame.

Real Necromancy is evil for a good reason. There are objective (unseen) spiritual principalities that are being tampered with. In essence, you're dealing with demons.That is what "Necromancy" traditionally is.

Again, neutered, non-evil necromancy is not really necromancy.

>>95939798
D&D's writeres were definitely not Christian--influenced by it is another thing. D&D has a pagan cosmology. There's no one true God supreme over all creation.

Mediums are a little more gray in that they communicate with, but do not bind and subjugate spirits.

Priests banish spirits, thats anti-necromancy.

>>95939798
>>95939862

Healing is also not Necromancy, depending how its done. Typically its from the life-giving energies of the creator God--making it good.

Raising the dead is also not Necromancy, for the same reason as above. Its like CPR from the creator God.

Necromancy is a inversion of this power... it does not truly restore life. And if it does, its at a price... such as evil spirits that join the host and corrupt their personality or impose other such inconveniences.

>>95939473
I can see good necromancers being those who help send restless spirits still attatched to the body to the next life, and speak with the dead, specifically those who wish to communicate. Maybe some other things like that.

>>95939336 (OP)
You pull a soul out of their afterlife to use as a battery in a decaying corpse. Logic should stand that evil people who are certain of their destiny should attempt to become undead or specifically make plans to get reanimated.

>>95939336 (OP)
why do you keep making the same fucking threads over and over again?

Better question would be: how would you change necromancy in your game or setting so the very first topic of discussion would NOT be whether it's good or evil?

>>95939955
Something like Geist: The Sin Eaters where you have a voluntary pact with one (or more) ghosts to function as a psychopomp.

>>95939955
The deceased has to consent or the reanimation doesn't work.

>>95939734
>Killing someone is wrong but puppeting the corpse to wash your floors isn't
Gay and retarded moral compass

>>95939336 (OP)
Fuck if I know, my necromancer doesn't control the dead, just communicates with them. That is what necromancy is, after all.

>>95939862
Not all of the writers ever have been christian but the creators (Gygax and Arneson) were both Jehovah's Witnesses that eventually left the church but maintained their own Christian beliefs.
Which is what largely shaped D&D's ethics and philosophy.
Necromancy isn't strictly defined in the core books but it's generally treated as any spell involving death, the undead, and in most editions life.
Spells that banish the undead are still necromancy. There is no anti-necromancy there's necromancy that destroys undead and necromancy that creates undead.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Destroy_undead

>>95939892
Healing and raising the dead is frequently necromancy, but it depends.
It was necromancy until WotC came along and changed it, healing to conjuration in 3rd and evocation in 5th. (4th didn't really do magic schools because of AEDU afaik)
Interestingly resurrection spells went from necromancy in TSR to conjuration in 3rd and back to necromancy in 5th.
Necromancy is explicitly magic dealing with death and anything that covers death must by necessity broach the topic of life. Bringing people back to life, whether correctly or not, is pitch perfect necromancy.
Raising the dead must be necromancy because it doesn't make sense as anything else. The one time it changed it didn't really make any sense.

>>95939955
I don't need to change it because none of my players are infected with the type of retarded postmodernist brainrot that makes people reflexively attempt to justify an obviously evil thing out of sheer moral contrarianism.

>>95939421
This. If your setting has necromancers that don't consort with the dead and demons and instead have some gay ass "negative energy plane" which is just a battery for bone men, your setting sucks

>>95939366
fpbp and /thread

>>95939336 (OP)
I’m actually working on two variants of necromancy that can be used for both good or evil. See, in my setting, I was thinking that the goddess of Life and Death wanted to retire, so she made deals with the god of the Day and the god of the Night to have kids with each of them. She had planned to split the two spheres between each respective child, but they instead they both inherited power over Life and Death, filtered through the Light and Darkness spheres they inherited from their respective fathers. As a result, both healing magic and necromancy have a Light and Darkness variant these days. For Light healing, I was thinking that it would be better at healing people in area-of-effect spells, both to tie into the typical depiction of a fantasy cleric and healing spells and to represent a lantern’s light. Darkness healing, at the other hand, is better at healing single individuals, including the caster. For necromancy, I was thinking that the necromancy would use either Light or Darkness as a replacement for the life force of the body, or as a medium to hit their foes with the essence of death. I would greatly appreciate any feedback you have, especially on the necromancy and undeath angle please. For instance, I was thinking that taking a cue from the White cards from Amonkhet in MtG, mummies could be one of the kinds of undead affiliated with Light necromancy, does that make sense to you?

>>95940095
Jehovah's witness is a heresy according to the scriptures. They don't believe Jesus is God.

And I was never referring to the historical context of Necromancy according to DnD. All clerics, for instance, have access to the same powers, insinuating that all gods are of an equal relevance. Christianity is exclusive in its claim that nobody knows God except through His son, Jesus Christ

Which is also why raising the dead and healing is not Necromancy when done through the power of God, according to historical traditions. In that case its a miracle, only achievable through faith in the power of said one true God.

Necromancy is evil because its using the power of demons, and is a perversion and counterfeit of the true power of God. Its kinda like Wishmaster--or the stories of jinn--where they can perform 'wishes' but they always have some perversion to what was intended. And even in the best case, your soul belong to the jinn upon death or some other criteria.

Miracles =/= Necromancy. (unless you're talking about D&D's portrayal of it... but even then its colored by the real world traditions of what necromancy even is.)

>>95940310
Can't we have just one goddamn thread without you fagging it up?

>>95940438
Alright I was originally going to write something more complicated, but don't think it's really worth it anymore. So I'll simplify it.

Christianity doesn't matter to RPGs unless it's a part of the system. I don't care what real Christians believe is or isn't necromancy because it doesn't matter.

Necromancy = Magic concerning the dead, originally and more specifically divination using the dead, but that definition has been supplanted over time by the more modern one.
Raising the dead is unequivocally in the category of magic dealing with the dead.
Miracles are magic there is no practical difference besides a smug sense of superiority over infidels which I have no use for in my games.

>>95939862
>D&D has a pagan cosmology. There's no one true God supreme over all creation.
Many settings actually do have some form of Monad overdeity who created everything, or at least created the things that created everything else.

>>95939955
Necromancers punched a hole between their world and purgatory to siphon off souls for their magic. The gods got pissed off and left, taking the afterlife and the rest of magic with them. Now nobody can really die so everyone's some kind of undead.

>>95939336 (OP)
Because in most Western cultures desecrating corpses was wrong.

>>95939336 (OP)
What game?

>>95940998
all games do this, idiot.

>>95941104
I dont think snakes and ladders has necromancers

Because making necromancy neutral or good makes it lame. Your special snowflake subversions will never be an ounce as cool as generic lich Skullfucker the Bonelord in his tower made from the bones of his defeated foes. Piss and moan all you want about wanting to use undead labor to help people or start the same lame necromantic industrial revolution you nerds have been bitching about since the inception of /tg/. No one will make cool art or miniatures of your middle manager of the dead.

New angle:
>The souls of the dead have power
>Necromancers bargain for that power
>What they trade in return is the service of returning a dead soul to life
>Necromancers don't control their undead - au contraire, they're contractually obligated to set them free, sometimes after the dead performs an agreed-upon favor

Necromancy is awful because the souls who are desperate to return to life are usually the last people you want to live twice, and setting their spirits loose on the world is unimaginably reckless.

>>95940129
If you don't understand the question, it's okay to ask for an explanation.

>>95941425
I want to join mr. Skullfucker, where do I sign?

>>95939336 (OP)
They're not, in D&D.

I'm not interested in debating the morality of dark magic with contrarian edgelords.

BTW I ban any kind of summon, I don't want battles to get even clunkier and longer because everyone's conjuring a bunch of minions.

>>95939734
You are autistic

>>95939336 (OP)
Proper necromancy is fucking around with souls against their will and that kinda shit is messing with the domain of deities as well as tainting stuff that is supposed to sacred to an almost universal degree.

>>95943641
That said there was a city of necromancers splat for 3e that treated the dead akin to hero worship and the corpses of loved ones volunteer to come back willingly to better serve the family even in death. Harming one of the risen dead in such a setup was grounds for getting killed on sight by most residents.

>>95943668
Found it.
Sword and Sorcery (White Wolf D&D 3e stuff) splat book.
Hollowfaust City of Necromancers.

>>95939917
Anon, that's called an exorcist aka a cleric.

>>95940773
Back2reddit

>>95939798
I agree, mostly animating corpses is nasty, but can sometimes depend on the situation and if consent was given freely?

I read a manga a while back in which an apprentice wizard was seen walking along the road with a bunch of undead - when challenged she explained that the animated corpses used to be great adventurers that she went with to fight an army of demons that was going to destroy the world. They triumphed in the end but all but she died in the battle. Before the fight they had all expressed a wish to be buried in their home village if they died, but she was to weak to carry their bodies down from the mountains, so she animated them and walked them home. Once she got them home and dug graves for them, they collapsed. It was quite touching.

There was also a WHFB story about a dwarf trying to protect a tomb of his ancestors from waves of goblin looters. After fighting for days and when he was about to be overwhelmed, the spirits of his ancestors animated the tomb's occupants to fight alongside him.

You also have that army of undead in Lord of the Rings that fought for Strider to pay back a debt they owed.

>>95943782
>There was also a WHFB story about a dwarf trying to protect a tomb of his ancestors from waves of goblin looters. After fighting for days and when he was about to be overwhelmed, the spirits of his ancestors animated the tomb's occupants to fight alongside him.
It could be argued that wights awakening to protect their tombs isn't necromancy proper, but the same setting has other examples like that one Necrarch druid from an RPG adventure who uses animated scarecrows, or Vanhel who used his powers to defend his province against a skaven invasion.

Mod thread

>>95939336 (OP)
If I animate gnoll zombies to fight evil gnolls, I'm doing net good. Summoners and transmuters are just jealous of us.

>>95939383
then animate some twigs you fucklenut

>>95939336 (OP)
>why are all necromancers evil again?
necromancer as a protagonist class of good guys hasn't been "subversive" since diablo 2 which was two and a half decades ago.
in Diablo the excuse is that they're priests of a death god and using all the skeletons and shit to slaughter approximately one trillion flaming demons from hell; against ontological evil there's no such thing as a war crime and ethics are irrelevant since Hades says it's okay to cast a spell that explodes skeletons into bone shrapnel frag grenades to kill more demons faster.
In Guild Wars it's also normalized and one of the most common mage specialties, again it's not considered evil because the human god of death himself is also the god of necromancy and is one of the less asshole-ish gods around.

hell, even LOTR has a scene involving basically lawful good necromancy where an army of undead is ordered into battle to fulfill an ancient oath.

>>95939336 (OP)
Well, it would probably help their optics if less necromancer gear or necromancy-related items were made from bones. Seriously, there's got to be better options. Just off the top of my head there's amber, especially if it has something inside it, and then there's leather, what else could work for necromancer gear materials that differ from the traditional aesthetics?

While there can be be some exceptions, they pretty much have to be necromancer hunters for it to work.

>>95939336 (OP)
resurrecting people is bad and against Jesus christianity

>>95946949
gdi
Anyway, read Garth Nix's Abhorsen books.

>reviving the dead is necromancy
>priest classes can revive the dead
>therefore priest classes are necromancers
Not all necromancers are evil.

>>95945506
It has been normalized long before that. In Runequest, initiates of ontologicaly evil god Zorak Zoran who raise zombies and enslave ghosts are tolerated becasue they fight Chaos which is considered worse than ontological evil.

#notAllNecros

>>95939336 (OP)
Because it says so in the 1st edition Monster Manual entry for animated undead; "Skeletons are animated by wizards and clerics of an Evil Alignment." Funny thing is though, the Alignment given in the stats for skeletons and zombies is Neutral...

>>95940513
meds

>>95939336 (OP)
Because its simply superior storytelling. Its narrative survival of the fittest.

>bro what if vampires didn't actually have any weaknesses and didn't need to drink blood???

Sure, you can do it. But is it a good story? Will people read your work, enjoy it then replicate it? Or will people hate it then do the opposite?

>>95946953
>Jesus christianity
That is the most pair of words ever.

>>95945506
>even LOTR has a scene involving basically lawful good necromancy where an army of undead is ordered into battle to fulfill an ancient oath.
God I hate this example.
They were cursed warriors unable to rest or pass on because of a failed oath, there is literally no necromancy here, only the rightful heir calling on the cursed warriors to fulfill their oath and end their curse. The idea this is necromancy is asinine and stupid. Just because there are undead involved doesn't make it fucking necromancy.

>>95951939
>most pair of words
Yeah, it's kind of redundant. And given that Jesus himself both raised someone from the dead and came back himself...

>be me
>be peasant
>working in the fields late at night finishing putting all the animals away
>rushing to get home to have supper with my wife
>some dark elf cunt opens a portal from hell releasing a bunch undead horrors to sack my village
>they don't need food but souls
>zombies and skeletons hunt down everyone
>the wannabe litch king is smugly laughing as chaos issues before him
>trying to defend my village
>get captured
>everyone dead
>my soul gets ripped from my body and placed into a skeleton
>have no dick
>can't eat food
>feel nothing
>have to work for this asshole until some monk unbinds me

>>95946949
>>95946955
Listen to the audio book.
Tim curry narrates it and its great.

>>95954700
>still no dick
>see a righteous paladin calling out the asshole who binded me
>fucker took his sweet time
>feel intense hatred for him for split second
>skewer him with pitchfork while he's giving his lame ass speech
>intense euphoria
>would have a stiffy if I still had a dick
>feeling fades back to fathomless emptiness
>desperately need to get it back this instant
>made aware of priest chanting
>why does his voice hurt?
>can't get pitchfork out of paladin
>boney ass finger's can't get proper grip
>run at priest
>i'm so fast
>I feel like flying
>a shoulder check to the lower jaw should improve his chanting
>don't see mace
>half my left side goes flying
>the fuck, holy cunt
>no pain
>just good feelings
>not fast enough to dodge next swing
>everything goes black
>vision returns
>intense black fades
>things are different, arm feels weird, not my own
>wait, did I have three sets of arms?
>woah, I have a sick mace...
>crunch, smash, bite, happy feelings

>>95939336 (OP)
Just make a general at this point.

>>95939336 (OP)
In Warhammer Necromancy uses dark magic, which literally warps you brain into being evil.

>>95946854
But how will people know I'm a cool necromancer if I don't wear bones and stuff?

>>95939473
>Makes a foul mockery of life.
Life is a miserable cunt.

>>95939473
>Best candidate for an evil magic.
Not while Enchanters exist.

>>95939749
It typically involves using evil energy from the evil energy dimension to animate them tho

>>95940192
i dont use negative e. nor souls lol

>>95955459
What if you want to keep a lower profile instead of looking like picrel and getting into fights every time someone who hates necromancy comes around?

>>95939383
Then they aren't necromances, and could animate armor, twigs, or any other inanimate object.
Necromancers can only use dead bodies because they're enslaving a soul, when that's not the case you can animate anything and using bodies is edgy and dessecrating people for no reason.

>>95955621
only in d&d, everywhere else its always soul slavery, its why it only works in corpses rather than sticks and what not

>>95962974
>only in d&d
That's my whole point, dingus. In the only system that you can possibly dodge the whole "soul torture" aspect of necromancy, it's STILL evil because you're leaking Evil Juice everywhere whenever you use it

>>95963059
In 3.5, a defunct edition and only if you insist on using Book of Vile Deeds and/or Liber Mortis.
Conversely, 2e Healing Arcane or Divine, relied on the long suffering school of Necromancy but I never hear a word about that from you lot screaming about "ENSLAVING SOULS" and "NEGATIVE ENERGY PLANE POLLUTION!"

>>95939336 (OP)
The worldbuilding general is two blocks down buddy.

>>95961308
you know that guy's evil because he's left-handed

>>95963427
And I never hear you le heckin wholesome chungus necromancerino redditors professing a deep seated desire to be a healslut, you always want access to the evil shit without being judged for it.

>>95939955
I pay them fair for their labor.

>>95939437
>what about the druid coercing animals to charge suicidally into the enemy?
Depending on the setting and system they can't. They either have to convince the forces of nature to help them, accepting the consequences, or, in the case of summons, those aren't real animals. They're magic given a physical form.

>>95939336 (OP)
Because they are stinky. Nobody wants to smell your undead thralls, virgin. Learn a real school of magic.

>>95965413
>Because they are stinky.
Even skeletons?

>>95939336 (OP)
Diablo necromancers are more Neutral.

>>95939336 (OP)
Because undead are just demons from hell summoned inside an empty vessel

>>95939366
>>95940214
Wokeness is on the way out.

>>95939336 (OP)

>>95939336 (OP)
>The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones live?”

>I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.”

>4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I will make breath[a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the Lord.’”

>7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no breath in them.

>9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet—a vast army.

>>95939862
>D&D's writeres were definitely not Christian
Gary Gygax was literally an Evangelical after leaving the Jehovah's Witnesses

>>95939383
If it's just magic that animated the inanimate, why does it have to be bones? That just seems like disrespecting the dead for no reason.

>>95939955
Necromancy would go back to it's historical roots as in divination by means of speaking with the dead.

>>95939734
>Is turning people's loved ones into ash in front of their eyes more ethical somehow?

Anon are you retarded?

>>95943782
The dead animating itself isn't necromancer anon.

>>95968685
Dusty and musty, not so great.
>>95962974
>its why it only works in corpses rather than sticks and what not
Undead plants can be fun.

>>95939366
Source?

>>95939336 (OP)
Not always. Even in AQ, one town has its guards be willing skeleton soldiers from its population who wanted to keep protecting their friends and family after death.

>>95976024
What the fuck is AQ

>>95939336 (OP)
If you're ok with necromancy you're ok with necrophilia

>>95939336 (OP)
You can't just steal/desecrate other people's corpses.

>>95939437
>corpses are things people get rid of anyway, they stink and can spread maladies

That's why they are BURIED.

>>95939862
>D&D's writeres were definitely not Christian

Even if they weren't active practitioners (Gygax was you twit) they came from a Christian background, same as every westerner.

>>95975082
Not undead tho.

>>95976154
AdventureQuest one of the most prolific flash games of the early to late 2000s. It lost a lot of popularity over time, but for a while it competed with Runescape relatively evenly.
It was kind of a mess but it had a bunch of that classic unashamed weeb kino of the early 2000s.
If you're into that kind of thing.
It's still around alongside the other various flash games by the same company.
DragonFable was probably the best one they made.

>>95939336 (OP)
Magic is sentient. Black magic is evil. When you engage in necromancy you are allowing a conscious evil force to enter the universe and influence it. No matter how beneficent your motives or how clever you think you are, Black Magic is a single, unified entity with a 6 digit IQ that is older than the universe. Every opportunity you give it to influence the world no matter how small it will leverage to maximize the amount of harm that it can cause, indiscriminately. It wouldn't offer you the power in the first place if it did not think that it could cause some sort of harm with it. It has no interest in context or transaction--it doesn't need anything from you except for you to give it access to the material plane, which is the one thing it cannot do.

There is a reason that nothing good ever comes of necromancy. You might think it does, maybe you think you can use it to do some benign task or to save labor or whatever--but the magic is smarter than you are, more sagacious, and if its plans take centuries to come to fruition, well, it's waited millions of years for the chance, time is no obstacle. Every skeleton you raise even if only to go and fetch a glass of milk for you leaves a permanent stain on the fabric of the world, every footstep leaves a trace of the magic, a twinge of the pitch black breath of the beast that lives beyond the black gate. Not even the gods can predict the depth of its cunning, its sick desires, for even the most wicked deity desires worship, a world to rule. Not the Black Magic. It desires only annihilation, so that it may rest in the undifferentiated stuff of nonexistence, content that its work is at last complete.

>>95974829
What do you mean?

>>95939473
>Makes corpses immeasurably valuable.
Less so than normal slavery. Corpses get damages or rot into unsuitability very easily and proper preservation is Expensive as hell. You'l get maybe 2-3 years out of a corpse while a peasant farmer can work for 20+ before typhoid offs him. He'll even make and train his own replacement while your stuck digging and animating more corpses.
The real issue with necromancy is it's applications in warfare. The corpses of trained soldiers are plentiful on a battlefield and undead don't have issues with loyalty, morale, food, or heatstroke. For short bursts, necromancer would be demigods of war.

>>95939336 (OP)
Because people keep making this fucking thread.

>why are all necromancers evil again?
I had a nightmare once where I was a good necromancer. I worked as a bodyguard for a political family and fought by partially astral projecting to extend my attack range until I had an enemy corpse/corpses to work with, usually courtesy of my 2 sharpshooter partners.

It's not like there's anything evil about making use of enemy corpses in the middle of assassination/kidnap attempts. You don't need to have permanent zombie slaves on standby or something. Imagine the smell.

Admittedly I *did* accidentally magically condition someone to be in love with me and grow up to be effectively a clone of me, but I had no idea possessing a baby with half my soul to act as their guard dog would do that. It was a forbidden spell.

>>95981751
You're small-minded. Corpses can dig up other corpses. Corpses can be tailored to perform specific functions. Corpses don't need to eat or sleep. Corpses don't need training. If you bolt a shovel or sword to a corpse, it doesn't whine about the blood spurting from its arm or ask what you did to with their hand or scream in pain. You don't need an entire corpse to do a job. Corpses can be easily repaired with other corpses. Corpses don't get sick. Corpses can guard the breeding stocks you use to get more corpses. Corpses don't get into fights. Corpses are eternally loyal. And with corpses you don't need to worry about suicide for multiple reasons. Corpses also never resist rape.

Meanwhile a lifespan of a heavily worked slave is not 20+ years of work. It's more like 7 years of work before their body breaks down. And that's after at least 10-14 years of raising and breeding.

>>95975124
A mildly interesting answer is in Warbreaker — where magic called Awakening is based on using the divine breath of life to animate objects. Since only humans have that divine breath, Awakening becomes more efficient if an object is made of organic substance and its shape is close to the human form. This makes animating dead bodies super efficient and the greatest feat of necromancy in the setting was creating a nigh-invisible army by animating human bones within stone statues.

>>95976160
i am, the rotting and the festering only make my dick harder

>>95939336 (OP)
Probably the whole, lets murder people just to raise their corpses to do our bidding thing, didn't help

>>95939955
1. Necromancy is effectively a troubleshooting tool that only works with the combined consent of the Gods of Death, Fate, and Justice. It's pretty much there so those were not yet meant to die can be called back to finish their destinies.

2. Souls are immediately sent to the afterlife/reincarnated, all necromancy does is use the lingering imprints of memory of emotion left by departed souls.

3. The afterlife is broken, an existence without a body is torturous to a wandering soul in the mortal realm. Thus mortal psychopomps find ways to either bind souls or "use" them up so they can at least rest in oblivion.

>>95939336 (OP)
Because you keep spamming those threads and it's annoying as fuck

>>95939336 (OP)
You might as well be asking why all trannies are evil.

>>95939336 (OP)
You are disrespecting someone's remains and turning them into automatons.

I literally cant think of an irl culture where that would be considered ok. though you could make a fantasy one where it is.

>>95990969
>I literally cant think of an irl culture where that would be considered ok.
Some people IRL donate their bodies to science.

>>95939336 (OP)
Death spells are dangerous to memorize: they're things designed to kill humans and to interact with dead humans, so they're basically magically radioactive. Memorizing them tends to burn out impulse control and empathy first.

Also, the spirits of all the corpses you revive curse you in increasingly elaborate ways, which tends to make you short-tempered and desperate, never good for somebody's charity in the best of time, much less while they're having their empathy smoked by Animate Dead.

>>95962972
>>95975124
Human bodies are designed to be animated by magic, since that's how you move around (your soul magically manipulates your body), so it's much easier to animate a human corpse than anything else.

>>95981668
that slavery is good so long as i don't get enslaved

Chinese gacha games are discouraged from depicting corpses or humanoid skeletons on-screen, but necromancy- and death-themed characters are nevertheless very popular, because of the sheer appeal of a cute anime girl who offers comfort even beyond death's door.

That is the key, then. The implied promise that they will be there for you when you die, as a gentle psychopomp to guide you to a happy afterlife.

>>95939734
None of those spells have the Evil tag dipshit.

Because death is supposed to be the crown of all.

>>95939336 (OP)
because only creeps, edgelords, and the mentally unwell would put so much effort into corpse magic.
a more well-adjust mage seeking automation would go into enchanting/object animation.

>>95939336 (OP)
If necromancy is good, does that make healing magic evil? Has anyone ever seen a setting like that? I vaguely remember someone posting something on /tg/ about healing magic being addictive, but that was a while ago.

>>95990969
>I literally cant think of an irl culture where that would be considered ok.
It wasn't really socially okay, but in Victorian England stealing dead bodies wasn't a crime as long as you didn't steal any valuables from the grave as the government had no claim over corpses and thus didn't care what happened to them after burial. So a decently profitable side-gig was taking the recently buried and selling them to medical universities for study.

>>96011225
I also heard that some people would cut out the middleman and just kill people themselves, but take that with a grain of salt.