Thread 95942704

Homemade rivals edition

previous heresy: >>95933146


>HH 3.0 Leaks
https://imgur.com/a/344L8ku

>New Edition Soon™
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

>New to The Horus Heresy? Here’s Everything You’ll Need to Get Started
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

>MEGAs are down for the time being, going to wait for things to cooldown with the new edition and leaks before bringing them back up

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

>Thread Question:
How seriously do you take your dudes?

Why is picrel a thing on Age of Marines ?

Have you ever seen even an army of them on the tabletop ?

>>95942704 (OP)
>How seriously do you take your dudes?
Depends what you mean. I don't take the rolling of dice seriously, and my fluff is they're the legion reject team.
But I try and win when I play, without going WAAC or wankery.

I have a feeling we are gonna get rug pulled hard with the libers. There hasn’t been a single peep about them. Either way my guts telling me it’s really gonna piss people off. Wargear options removed, etc.

What is that robot

>>95942813
It's just a domitar

>>95942813
>important, handsome magos ordering around legion peons

>>95942741
They shouldn't have been their own army. A unit of custodians should've been an elites or even HQ choice for other loyalist armies.

>>95942813
I like this pic. This is a nice fuckin' pic

>None of the choices are mandatory, and you can add as many of these detachments to your force as you want – as long as you don’t spend more than 50% of your points on allied units over all.
-ACK
This kills the allyspammmers

>>95942769
I am starting to get dread given we haven't had any hints at all.

But it could also be that the legions that needed taken down a peg are going to be the whingiest commentators

>>95942813
The domitar has henchman energy

>>95942813
>>95942867
>on it boss

>>95942867
>>95942874
Domitars are absolutely goons, thugs, and brutes of the highest nature, and the fact that this is the peak of Automata development makes them even funnier

I have a cool idea for a night lords scheme but I'm noot bad a painter to pull it off.

>>95942843
the same thing could easily be said of astartes, are we really talking much difference between an army of 20 and an army of 50?

>>95942813
>>95942867
>Machine, grav their asses!

I'm wondering if the 50% cap on allies includes LoW or not. Big difference between 50% Primary and the rest being allocated between LoW and Allies and 25% Primary with 75% to spend on LoW and Allies.

>>95942769
knowing GW, I've always been waiting for their bean counters to split the books for maximum profit.

They might just do it like Index Astartes where it was 4 books for space marines, volume I was the first four legions (1,3,4,5), then next book had (6,7,8,9), next one (10,12,13,14,15), and the final book had (16,17,18,19,20). Then they could do a 5th book for imperial allies and a 6th book for chaos allies.

GW would especially love it because people who own 3 loyalist or 3 chaos forces might be forced into buying 3 books instead of 1. (Dark Angels + Space Wolves + Ultramarines for example would be book 1+2+3 instead of Liber Imperialis)

>>95942925
They have alteady shown how the armies are bring divided up

>>95942925
schizo meltdown

>>95942931
link?

Before anyone asks: those in the pic are all resin Mechanicum models painted for the Liber. Vultarax, Thallax, Domitar, Scyllax (I wonder when they were available in the store tha last time - two years?) and even an old pre-zombie Thrall.

>>95942936
>a schizo meltdown today equates to the release schedule of 1.0
really makes you think

>>95942937
The announcement livestream

>>95942769
That is effectively what happened with 4th edition AoS, people were generally "this seems fine" then when the army indexes and full list building rules dropped the shoe finally dropped.

>>95941927
>"Hi, I'm brother Knoxvilla and welcome to Legio Jackassicus."

>>95942978
Also 10th 40k. Each preview was worse than the last.

>>95942937
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/m11ujimg/saturnine-your-questions-on-the-new-edition-of-horus-heresy-answered/

>50% cap for allies
That has drastically altered my plans then holy fuck. Then again I guess I’ve never properly thought about how I’m supposed to balance 3000pts between but
>solar aux
>iron hands
>salamanders
>raven guard
500pts for 3/4 of those. What do I get with this pocket lint equivalent amount of point allocation bros

>>95943033
>500
You mean 1500?

Saturnine? More like FATTURDnine!

>>95943022
>your-questions
>nobody asked "Why?"

>>95943036
1500 for one of them which will be the primary yes, but allies are only allowed to make up 50% of the point total. I planned on having 3 other factions/armies, so 1500 ÷ 3 = 500 each.

>>95943022
> The Horus Heresy: Age of Darkness game system has been going since 2012, while the first full rulebook was released in 2017.

Are they stoned? The "first full rulebook" was a copy from 40k 6th edition from 2012 which they had to print due to 40k 8th edition.

>>95942843
They literally deploy as an army on Prospero, and during the War in the Webway and the Siege of Terra. By your logic the shattered legions shouldn't be playable because they're too small after Isstvan V.

>>95943044
Pre-order two weeks in advance you reckon? Or even longer because it's a edition release?

I hope v3 allow allies to board transports

>>95943022
> This is very much the same Horus Heresy game you know and love
where plasma?

>>95943061
oh wow, that's a schizoid setup. Well, we don't know the points yet, but I imagine thematically the most appropriate would be 1500 for the solar aux and then small strike forces for each of the legions. So like, IH tanks, Sally meltas/flamers, and a RG deep strike force.

Or you could play like a normal person

>>95943067
It wasn't. It was the 7th edition rules with quite some minor changes, like the psychic power Invisibility being replaced with something more reasonable.

>>95943022
> Can I still use my current army?
>
> You totally can
is that a promise they would sign with their blood?

>>95943044
I love the leaker(s) so much. Always one step ahead.

What is this? Lascannons?

>>95943022
> There is also the first in a new series of narrative campaign books. These Age of Darkness Journals will feature historic details and new rules to recreate the most iconic engagements in the Age of Darkness in your games. The first focuses on the dropsite massacre at Isstvan V.

wait wait - so they re-sell us the old black books?

>>95943098
Laser Destroyer

>>95943069
We already know it's July 12th for preorders, that pic just confirms it.

>>95943069
It releases on July 26th and it's a 2 week preorder minimum.

>>95943098
Laser bazongler

>>95943102
If only...
But no, it actually are wholly new campaign books.

>>95943098
phased plasma fusils

>>95943098
>change the fuel drum design because of reasons
At this point 30k Imperium is far more divided in design than 40k Imperium. At least in 40k various Imperial factions can use the same vehicles, but in 30k even things like Rapiers have to be distinctly different for different factions.

>>95943142
>At this point 30k Imperium is far more divided in design than 40k Imperium
This has been the case since HH1.0.

>>95943142
I mean it makes sense. All the manufactoriums are freshly conquered, probably still using the blueprints they've always had. By 40k Admech has had time to standardize everything and lock up all the cool shit

>>95943164
And it's accelerating. Even Marine and non-Marine Tarantulas have to be different, just because.

>>95943142
I mean it kinda makes sense. There were a lot more places with factories, more shit was still being mass-produced, there was even some technological advancement. Though it is a bit weird that the different patterns of vehicles and such don't show up in all the factions.

>>95943174
>he wants his Astartes to use smelly, dirty, MORTAL nigger Tarantulas
May the Warmaster smite ye

>>95943187
Not enough bri'ish accent to be a SoH

>>95943174
I mean, nobody is stopping you from buying the SA tarantula sentry guns and using them with your marines and the other way around.

>>95943187
They use Malcadors, which are inferior to the Leman Russes. Also, the open-topped Basilisk design over the better armoured SA Basilisks. Not to forget that for all the orbital transports and boarding crafts (that we know humans used) in the game, the elite void combat troopers only use a small civilian shuttle with a door gun.

>>95943198
>nobody is stopping you
You clearly don't remember the shit people got for using Guard Basilisks instead of the proper Legion Basilisk like God's Workshop intended.

Im starting to think nu heresy isnt for wargaymers who never played a table top game before

>>95943205
thats only the retard legions who can't into shock assault and think they are supposed to operate like the army, see IW or DG. Guilliman was right to get rid of that shit in the codex.

>>95943235
>Caring about what people say online
I mean there's even people who say you can't use Mk VI for your marines because they think it's not period accurate. If you start listening to those kinds of autists there is nothing that you can do ever.

The Emperor rejected divinity. He refused to turn into the Dark King. So...who is this King rising from Darkness that Erebus mentions here?

>‘None can contest the will of the gods, Barthusa. Not you, not even Him. A king will rise from darkness and all will be as it should be. As it was ordained. It has been spoken by their emissaries. I am merely their conduit.’

>>95943259
That's just Erebus coping. You always see it with religious types when they are proven wrong.Though it probably hints at Abbadon taking over as Chaos' supreme leader.

>>95942741
>Have you ever seen even an army of them on the tabletop ?
I own an army of them on the tabletop and they make marinefags see the every time they hit the board

>>95943259
Have you considered that some or all of these involved might be lying?

>>95943282
Yeah, but the Dark King already exists in the Warp. It is just waiting to be born, which is inevitable, just like Slaanesh's birth.

>>95943259
>>95943270
>>95943282
Your brain:
>ugly
>wrinkly
>very fat, lots of room for doubt
My brain:
>smooth
>pretty
>smol, only has room for faith

>>95943069
They've done 3 week preorders before.

>>95943292
Everybody involved with Chaos likes to use the word inevitable a lot. Doesn't mean it's always true.

>>95943256
That's a stupid reason. The real reason you can't use MkVI marines is because I said so.

>>95942741
Wonder if they'll ever do anything like Thunder Hammers for Custards. Suppose the Solarite power fists are cool and all, though.

>>95943316
>Everybody involved with Chaos likes to use the word inevitable a lot
Pretty ironic from the people that supposedly worship uncertainty

>>95943298
I should make an Erebus version of this

>>95943270
>Lorgar miserably fails to kill guilliman or reduce the UM to a non fighting force then copes by saying seeing guilliman mad was his end goal from the start
>Erebus miserably fails to birth the dark king then copes by saying it's totally going to happen
Like father like son

>>95942813
This is the future of legion specific units, isn't it...

>>95943331
>worship uncertainty
Chaos followers don't worship the concept of Chaos as a random force. They worship the certainties of the Chaos Gods' essence and being.

Absolute violence
Strife and change
Decay and entropy
EXCESS.
And finally, the breakdown of all order and the rebirth of something new and glorious.

>>95943347
Both of those are Erebus's fault. The point of Calth was to flush the legion of retards, Erebus and Kor Pharrell included

>>95943354
No one is worships tzeench even tangentially should be talking about inevitability
That's a sure way to get fucked

>>95943364
Change is inevitable, annit?

Which space marine scale do you prefer, old manlet, nu-scale or primaris tortuga scale? Or do you just print?

>>95942813
Newfag detected

>>95943384
Whatever scale is consistent with the cool models I want to include

>>95943393
So you mix scale?

>>95943384
Why are people so obsessed with their marines having to be the exact same size, when there is much larger height variety in reality?
>Autism
Oh wait never mind, forget I asked.

>>95943400
Anon what does the word consistent mean

>>95943384
Old scale manlet squat

>>95943410
I'm ESL
>>95943411
I respect that OG style

>>95943408
Overall consistency is nice, just look how odd the AoD praetors look scalewise, they are primaris sized and look even worse with the big cloaks.

>>95943384
I'm autistic so I only use Real(TM) GW minis and FW (may not be real), but I really dislike the proportions of tortuga bodies as way too fat.

>>95943384
stormcast scale

>>95943384
I just buy cool minis as they come out. I have a fair amount of plastic MKIV, resin and plastic MKVI, some old plastic MKIII. I have some old finecast characters from I want to say 4th edition they came out originally? I can't care about scale when rhinos and transports are still under scaled to this day. I like that 30k is more of a historical, becuase my army has a physical model collection history to it too.

>>95943384
height doesn't matter. The main thing bad about the oldmarines is the ork-taking-a-poop squat pose they stand in.

Marines should always be either standing straight or running or full crouching to shoot from a knee.

The poop-stance is just a shitty in-between frame between actual stances.

>>95943275
Not him but how come ?
I come from 40k and in 40k they're nothing to write about desu

Honestly desu considering adding like 6 of the new drop pods to my word bearers considering only 3d prints really have it beat price wise once you figure in FLGS discount and convenience. I can just glue in a combi bolter to the top.

>>95943408
Because we don't want marines described as towering giants to look like midgets.

>>95943587
>sizequeen has entered the thread

>>95943587
You do understand the concept of miniatures, anon?

>>95943384
I think the current is fine, I definitely didn't like that the older scale wasn't bigger than humans though, it kinda looks shit on the table for both factions if you don't have that difference.

>>95943648
Do you understand the concept of a linear scale anon ? Every single miniatures and tank in this game are 1:60


SM are for some reason between 1:68 and 1:75.

>>95943674
>Thinks GW has any scale consistency

>>95943347
>Lorgar miserably fails to kill guilliman
that was never his plan, Calth was for Zealots mad about the past.>>95943347
>Erebus miserably fails to birth the dark king
Erebus is The Janny for Chaos. His actions are wholly selfless and are taken only to further the cause. Like all men his judgement can be flawed at times, such as thinking Sang could be turned.

>>95943587
Miniatures are supposed to be miniature.

>>95943384
I like Tortuga, their proportions look good and they have more dynamic poses. Despoilers made out of new plastics look kinda boring

>>95943259
As I recall, doesn't TEATD kinda hint that the emperor might be the dark king, or horus might be the dark king, and the stinger is the dark king will come, but it will be niether of them, leaving the door open for Abaddon doing it in 40k or even someone else? Prophecy arrives, but not to the schedule of mortals and such.

>>95943352
Unfortunately, yes.
At least the Templar Bretheren got the command kit. Grey Slayers got nothing.

>>95943384
#1 is preferable, #2 is acceptable (still not a fan of the right-hand-on-bolter, but the design otherwise looks good. Is that just tac squad beakie with a spacer?)

>>95943468
I always took it as bracing to fire. Which doesn't necessarily fit with the (sometimes) reccoil-less bolters, but eh.

>>95943102
Right now, in the Exemplary Battles section of their download page, they have some 1st edition ones with 1st edition rules. Kalium Gate and Perditus for example. Whyever...

>>95943726
Like it or not, it's actually perfect 1:60 on the whole range except 1 army..
Old World and AoS included.

Have we seen anything regarding the Ally chart and any restrictions on using allied transports?

>>95943831
even if a bolter had recoil (it doesn't), they wouldn't squat in poop mode to fire it. They weigh 2000 lbs each and have power-assisted super-muscle strength like superman.
Firing a bolter wouldn't even shake them.
They might need to squat for the autocannon or heavy bolter, but basically none of the other guns justify it.

>>95943848
Those would have been in the Exemplary Battles Volume 2 or 3 books, along with Legiones Hereticus for WE or EC or TS.
But we're on that three-year treadmill now lads. Nothing gets finished now!

>>95943860
No. Sharing transports has never worked out so we won't be allowed to do it.

>>95943860
they're not gonna allow sharing. They don't want stuff like filling an Iron Hands rhino (-1 to be shot at) full of World Eaters berserkers.

>>95942741
Army is a strong word for any group of custards at less than 6000 points but i do have quite a few of them. Not by choice mind you. Friends and family kept gifting them to me for some reason (I played tyranids from 3rd to 5th edition) but at least it i had an army ready to build when I moved to an area where 30k is the most played ttg

>>95943868
We don't need to analyze the old pose. Old pose is just old. Small company made product, grew and revised it as time went on. That's it. That's the entire front to back of the discussion.

>>95943860
Liber content.

>>95943727
>Cope
>Cope
They just can't help themselves

Speaking of scales and size, does anyone have the plastic chaplain from the betrayal at calth set that they’d be willing to post up next to the nu-mark 3? Need to decide on a base model for my praetor

>>95943911
the thing is people use the old shitting pose to pretend marines were the exact same scale as guardsmen and to pretend primaris were necessary, they weren't.

(If anything the real issue is they just needed to keep firstborn the same and shrink the heads and hands on imperial guardsmen a bit)

Saul's got this in the bag, surely.

>>95943932
Minicompare is both free and just as accurate as an anon with a camera

>>95944000
depends on which way he spins

>>95944000
could not possibly care less. Warcom "duels" have never been real. They can film a fake fight 20 times until they get the result they want.

>>95944008
Not that accurate, and a slave to the angle of the promotional photo. Anon with a camera can put two together at the same angle.

Also, that gap at the wrist just looks bad.

>>95943587
they’re 7ft tall supersoldiers. they’re tall like thor bjornson is tall, not tall like a fantasy giant is tall.

>>95944008
Oooooof hurts to see.

>>95943868
>even if a bolter had recoil (it doesn't)
It very much does as per every books, video media and video game ever produced and GW approved.

And when you know how anal GW is about improving things...

>>95942856
>50%
This is bullshit. I wanted to take an Alpha Legion army with zero Alpha Legion models, purely allied Thousand Sons and Space Wolves.

>>95944008
This site is flawed. The angle of the MKIII mini is tilted forward and not flat to the camera

Walkers will be compensated for their WS4 by being allowed to shoot into melee

>>95944177
Well, post the walkers rules that you have read already.

>>95943932
Never finished mine. I literally had to blow some dust off and it's still covered in it.

>>95944198
Dude just trust me

>>95942856
They might've said it earlier, but I rest easier knowing Logistical Benefit can add stuff that would normally be Apex

>>95944046
7ft tall is still a head and a bit bigger than a normal sized person. And the old models weren't.

>>95944228
Anon we've had the rules text for logistical benefits for two weeks

>>95943205
>Malcadors, which are inferior to the Leman Russe
Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim darkness of the far future there is only war ;__;

>>95944218
Cheers anon, that’s helped a lot honestly.

>>95943805
>>95943270
In the flashback to Abaddon's childhood and elsewhere in his chapters, he said repeatedly that he would never be a king. He refuses it. He loathes kings.
All he wants is brotherhood and to be surrounded by men that he would gladly die for..

>>95944295
I wonder if there's going to be units with dual slots (can be either Elite or Retinue) or we're going to see units that take up multiple slots (like old WHFB stuff that could, for example, take up both a Hero and Rare slot, or two Rare slots).

>>95944295
I don't like Special Assignment
>You can bring another High Command (e.g.: Praetor) and place him in a regular Command slot...
Alright! That way I can bring extra deta-
>...but he cannot be used to being an additional Apex detachment. Or any detachment, really.
Booo. I'd rather pick Logistical if I haven't already, or Paragon if I have.
Maybe a WS7 W3 Champion is better than an extra WS6 W4 Praetor

>>95944008
>B-brother, I...

>>95944352
Good, fuck off with every army starting with a praetor. I hope most elites get downshifted to a 3+ save too so there's no reason to take them and makes praetors even more worthless.

>>95944046
Should marines be taller than humanly possible? 8 ft marines are kinda growing on me

>>95944016
rat
Underrated comment

>>95944396
>I hope most elites get downshifted to a 3+ save
Unironically. I know they are wearing cool armour, but there being so much artificer around devaluated regular power armour so much people play like AP3 sucks unless it has at least Breaching 5+
>Oh hi new Axe and Plasma gun profiles!

>>95943887

Thats not true, technically, 8th edition atleast you could if you were battle brothers. Not sure about 9th or 10th as I couldn't be assed keeping up with the slop

>>95944396
>fuck off with every army starting with a praetor.
Praetors were necessary because they unlocked Rites of War, and fuck playing without those.
But armies should be able to use Rites of War without them - you shouldn't need one dude to remind you where you're from!
Now they will unlock Apex detachments that need high command dispensation, and that is quite alright with me...
...except the part where their only use is Unlocking Apex, and then the Special Assignment bonus says I specifically cannot do the ONE thing they're good for this edition.

...guess that's my Day One Houserule lmao. Have you considered any houserules of your own this early yet?

>>95944478
I never took one to a real game. I just used a Delegatus or a named character that has MotL. I also don't like that I seemingly need one to take multiple legion specific units. I'm not even spamming, I just have a choice of three options and take two of them any given list.

>>95944478
>Didn't pick a delegatus to unlock ROW as well as provide actual utility in game
Lol. Lmao, even.

>>95944509
Most of my lists look like they're going to be the Main Detachment, an Aux one for the heavy transports, then 2 Logistical Benefit: Army Vanguard
>>95944520
Said Praetor, but should've said Master of the Legion instead yeah. Always took a Delegatus. Cheaper and does mostly the same.
...though I did take Dynat sometimes. I really like the guy and his datasheet.

So how are we feeling about 3.0?

>>95944478
Am I missing something? If the only reason you're taking a praetor is to unlock apex, then just take the praetor in the high command slot??? Why do you need to use a prime benefit to stuff them in a command slot? That's just if you want an extra praetor or special character

>>95944566
Generally optimistic but with some concerns surrounding weapon profiles since we saw what happened to plasma

>>95944567
Looking for ways to get yet more Apex

>>95944566
If my list is even still legal it's been rendered useless so I'm probably out.

>>95944566
Willing to give it a shot, but I am not excited for the new challenge rules or the higher amount of wounds on characters so far.

I wonder if with the plasma nerfs GW also went on to nerf plasma burner and heavy burners.

>>95943093
"Can" and "can in a way that works well mechanically" are different

>>95943587
Brutal mogg

>>95944566
Cautiously optimistic, hoping my gameplan of 40 despoilers, 20 assault marines, and 20 gal vorbak running forward like screaming retards with plasma tactical supports (+ now plasma saturnine terminators and Dreadnought) as fire support still works out well enough even with all the nerfs. I'm actually having fun with trying to connect elements of the army in with the new detachment system, like my moritat being the relentless task master in charge of the tactical support detachment, ensuring they fire true so their brothers are covered.

>>95944566
Got to see libers. A dogshit ruleset can be overcome by armies actually being fun to build army lists with and play. A perfectly solid core ruleset can be obliterated by armies being bland or monobuild.

Is there any chance of plastic voraxii on the horizon, my green stuff skills suck (the Stl I used didn't have proper ammo cables).

>>95944638
probably

>>95944536
>2 Logistical Benefit: Army Vanguard
Ah so a prime slot in each detachment used for logistics? I see, for some reason it thought only officers could. I just want to know what destroyers are because I probably could fit my list as is after all.

>>95944566
I didn't like second edition and everything shown so far gives me confidence third edition will be better than second to play if you enjoy a more narrative experience.

Nothing matters if you play with people that pretend their filthy lists are narrative. Luckily all of mine moved back to 40k already.

>>95944566
So far so bad, too much Tzeentch

>>95944687
>I want to read the Libers NOW
GW's campaign is working, not gonna lie. Made me hungry

>>95944729
They must be If we got plastic ursarax.

Also if you have a roller, which looks like you do, then just make a really long narrow/flat rectangle of greenstuff and press the roller onto it as a texture. You could get a really simplified version of picrel.

>>95944566
At the least 3.0 seems way more of a finished product than 2.0 was, so carefully optimistic.

>>95944566
Libers are make or break. We'll play it, but whether or not we heavily houseruled rule it is up the the Libers. We are not playing shootmax edition if we can help it.

>>95944729
There is no indication one way or the other. It's distinctly possible, but there's no reason to expect it over anything else.

>>95944756

I had a roller, I used it for two of the cables. The issue is that it's not long enough to make a symmetric pattern throughout the whole cable with a simple press. I also tried using bass string, but getting it to stick didn't work due to how tense and heavy it was.

>>95944729
I know this company sells flexible resin belts and cables, and was hoping to get some for my own chinacast vorax models. Can't speak for their quality however as I put this aside to work on other projects. Hopefully another anon here has experience with these:

https://www.zinge.co.uk/collections/flexible-resin/products/ammo-belt-large-sprue-of-6-various

>>95944536
>>95944735
I may need to revisit that thought: only the Main and Apex detachments have Prime slots to grant Logistical Benefits. Neither Armoured Fist nor Pioneers grant any. I feel like I'm gravitating towards those detachments the most. Maybe you'd like the Tactical Support detachment more.

What seems like your favorite extra detachment, anon?

>>95944680
Where did you get those Possessed anon? STLs I assume?

>>95944844
Whichever has destroyers

Is Warhammer Community retarded and this allied suggestion is illegal...or are dreadnoughts shock assault as well as heavy support?

>>95944885
Generic Centurions grant two aux

>>95944894
That makes complete sense, thank you

>>95944838

Yeah, that's a good idea. I need to check from local scale model shops of they sell ammo belts. Thanks!

So did leaker anon die or something?

>>95944929
No, he lend out the book to a buddy and just couldn't be bothered to post more since.

>>95944894
>>95944899
Could also use the prime slot for logistics and take the dread and still be a consul.

>>95944866
They're a damsa stl, I got them from an Etsy shop, wouldn't recommend trying that one because it's been a month and 3 back and forths and I STILL don't have all of the parts that I paid for.

>>95944944
I think you still need a centurion to get two auxilary detachments, but you can definitely fit a consul in there too since there are two slots

>>95944885
>Is Warhammer Community retarded
Are you?
Take centurion of any type
Take shock assault detachment for 1x6 or 2x3 Saturnine
Take Saturnine dreadnought as your logistical advantage prime benefit

>>95944964
The dread is a single slot aux, a logistical Benefit would be just making the dread. It's a wash either way. You could have a Centurion with a buff benefit and two aux, or a Consul with the Logistics benefit and one aux. Either can take a single dread.

You know anons
I was thinking: evade does something different now, and we haven't seen the shooting, movement or cover rules...
Is there a chance go to ground is back, like how volley fire is just overwatch? I'd say no since that feels like something they'd have called out, but there's been no mention of volley fire either. And it feels like something relatively easy to implement just put in a step of the shooting process where upon being targeted they can choose to go to ground like how volley fire is a step in charging.

>>95944976
>Take centurion of any type
>Take shock assault detachment for 1x6 or 2x3 Saturnine
>Take Saturnine dreadnought as your logistical advantage prime benefit
You already fucked it up

>>95944937
So either his buddy reads slow as shit or he just can't bother to hook us up? Great.

>>95944964
See >>95944295
Under Logistical Benefits.

>>95944937
incorrect, it was just leaked by games workshop and they decided to only leak the 20% of the book to start discussions and youtuber OMGLEAKS hype vids, then they hide the other 80% because the rules suck cock and the only reason people haven't abandoned HH3.0 yet is "wait wait we havent seen everything maybe only the stuff that was leaked is dogshit and the mystery stuff will save us"

>>95944953
Oof, noted, thanks.

195 pounds for the box apparently. Was it the same price for the AoD one? Can't remember.

>>95945064
Oh yeah, silly me.
Thanks.
Aight, that's as good as we were ever going to get anyway. No chance in hell the box was going to be cheaper than its predecessor.

>>95945064
if all US customers simply refuse to buy it until black friday, it'll pile up on shelves and stores everywhere will drop the price to $200 for black friday, defeating jewmes workshop who unfairly charges americans 30% extra just because GW are greedy cunts.

>>95945003
Literally where
>Centurions are command which unlock a non apex detachment
>Shock assault is not an apex detachment
>Saturnine terminators are shock assault, which comes with 2 slots per detachment
>Prime benefits don't care about the type of unit filling the slot, just that the slot is filled
>Logistical advantage prime benefit allows you to take a single slot of any unit type except high command, command, warlord, or lord of war
>Saturnine dreadnought is heavy support
Outside of certain centurions not being command there's no part of that that doesn't work

>>95945097
Anon, more than half of GW products are always out of stock. People WILL consume.

>>95943352
>>95943810
It's someone's personal conversions, stop thinking the sky is falling

>>95945119
Incorrect. I got Age of Darkness for $199/325 and I got AOS Dominion for $99. Almost nobody plays horus heresy, the only reason most kits are out of stock is stores know nobody plays 30k so they order the minimum 0-2 boxes of a kit instead of 30 boxes. But every edition-starter box is stacked to the roof.

>>95945039
>Least schizo 4chin post

>>95945131
This is /hhg/ and the sky is always falling here

>>95945131
Templar Bretheren have been gone for over a year, and we're not likely to see a plastic kit anytime soon. The last EB - Sanguinary guard - just told people to put the command squad and assault squad together. We've not had a new legion unit in four, maybe five years? I don't see how being worried about the future of legion units is unreasonable.

>>95945138
oh, and skavenblight whatever that starter is called I got 2 copies at 165. Only retards ever buy starter boxes at full price.

>>95945151
I often forget how much resin kits are no longer sold officially because I exclusively get models from recasters or pr00nting

>>95945131
Tell that to all the legion units that have been squatted

What is the most /aesthetic/ ratio of armor and infantry?

>>95945131
You're right, that's just a conversion. Could you direct me to the official models? I must be lost.

>>95945167
1:1

>>95943335
Made it for you.

>>95945167
1 tank per 2 infantry squads excluding rhinos, 1 dreadnought per 2 tanks (so 1 per 4 infantry blobs maximum) as dreads are rare relics

>>95945180
dreadnoughts are rare relics in 40k, during HH they still were common enough that even some non-marine forces used dreadnoughts in the lore

>>95945167
If you don't have at least 4 vehicles in any army you're a faggot.

>>95945188
I've read 60 HH novels, they were incredibly fucking rare. For every dreadnought you'd have several hundred normal troopers and 20-40 normal tanks.

The total number of dreads may be hundreds but the number of marines and tanks is in the millions.

>>95945192
Not counting bikes or proteus speeders

>>95945097
>>95945138
This sounds more like your FLGS over orders and is likely running itself out of business than anything

>>95945194
>but the number of marines and tanks is in the millions.
The # of marines *might* be 2 million pre-heresy, and that's before the traitors purged their own ranks

By the time of the Dropsite Massacre/Calth/Phall, everyone is taking horrific losses that are being replaced with quick made inductii, and nobody then was anywhere close to their maximum sizes

It's 40k lore, but the Death Guard are the only ones to have actually grown from their heresy numbers after it was finished, and that's only because they're literal zombies who can't die

>>95945194
>I've read 60 HH novels
>>95945194
So you know nothing more than the average vidya tourist, then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEGAyKfiGig

>>95945194
>Novels
Black Library isn't canon.

>>95945214
>and nobody then was anywhere close to their maximum sizes
Except the smurfs. They came out of the Heresy stronger than they went in.
CALTH WAS AN INSIDE JOB!

>>95945203
Sounds like you just havent learned how GW works. They have two tiers of items, wide-releases and limited-releases. A limited-release (Space wolves army box) a store asks "can I have 10 of these?" GW just sends them 2 or 3 boxes capped.
A wide-release item like Skaventide, if a store asked for 30 copies, they receive 30 copies not 2-3 boxes.
Wide release items, GW has decided not to do any FOMO at all, which means scalpers have no reason to chase any wide release.

I have 10 different websites bookmarked and it takes about 2 seconds after the preorder window to learn what items are wide-release or not. On a fomo release, it sells out in 5 seconds, or often doesn't receive the 15% discount (they sold 230 space wolf box for 230 full price), or they post "we apologize but due to limited distribution we are unable to do pre-orders on this item"
A wide release it just says "Available: 30" in a dozen stores across the entire country and scalpers simply skip.

Saturnine received 30 news articles instead of 1 article and months of hyping, that means there's exactly zero chance GW isn't giving Saturnine box a wide-release where stores can buy 30+ each.

>>95945249
I don't really need to wait 4 months to get an extra 15% off t b h

>>95945249
But the only one you're screwing over is your FLGS who are selling it to you at cost or at a loss

GW already made their money

>>95944732
makes me feel good inside that I bought 10 interemptors and 5 cenobium. I dread that terran blades get turned in to power swords.

>>95944729
Hoow did you do that carbed ammo belt? Looks good

>>95945294
Hopefully frost weapons are actually good in some way too

>>95945283
problem for a lot of parts of the world is that in order to from GW you have to order directly from them, and not other suppliers and you can't sell cheaper then 5% lower then GW price, which is moot anyway as the VAT being higher eats the 5% difference anyway.
And if a store tries to sell for less and GW gets a word about it (and it will as stores snitch on each other, to cut other people shipments) they stop sending you stuff, and your table top gaming store just went belly up.

>>95945311
Lol. Lmao.

>>95945340
>problem for a lot of parts of the world is that in order to from GW you have to order directly from them
That sucks and I can understand the pain, but then the whole "Wait until black friday" thing doesn't really apply to begin with

>>95945301

Green stuff worlds tentacle maker, I've heard some people also use combs to get the same effect.

>>95944638
Without doubt.

>>95945311
this is my first edition change in any GW game, played a bit of AoS in 2ed, and I am actualy scared about my army. I build characters with jump packs and jet bikes, people keep saying that they may get rid of the option, because there is no non kitbash version of a pretor with a pack or jetbike. Same with terminators with thunder hammers, terminators with desintegrators and maces, assasin clades from the firewing. my jump pack companions and my cataphract companions. From the looks of it aside for 20 tacticals and 10 lascanon HSS I may end up with either units that are terrible or straight up illegal.

>>95945351
Well we don't have black friday. So we only can envy both the ways of buying stuff.
>>95945370
They could warn people in advance instead of lieing that that game doesn't change. 6 months saving up to get 15 original models sucks, especialy after you find out that they are now bad.

>>95944729
>instead of a chute for a belt, it's a vacuum that hoovers up ammo from the container and into the rotor cannon
Propa Orky.

>>95945390
>warn people in advance
So you want them to spend money to make less money? Do you really think any corporation would spend a dime for a customer's benefit?

>>95945390
The #1 rule of this hobby, regardless of system, is to buy models based on your enjoyment of the models themselves and their lore, with the game being a distant third

Because ironically enough, the only games where old models are still doing exactly what they used to do are the ones where models matter the least, like Battletech or D&D

>>95945390
That's what you get for buying stuff based on what is good
Also, you don't even fucking know if they are bad

>>95945435
There are no other DA models being sold by GW. What was I suppose to do ? Everyone runs a units of hammer bodyguard, and I don't think DA jetbikes were some sort of broken option.

>>95945408
I bought the models GW was selling. If GW sold other stuff, like DA specific despoilers or tacticals, maybe I would have bought those.

>>95945404
yeah, but how many people get burned by them once or twice and never ever buy stuff from them. Ever.

>>95944885
>Centurion
There's Praetors in Saturnine armour (can't bring one of those as ally).
So, will there be Saturnine Centurions? Saturnine Command Squads? 0.0

>>95945577
I think they mean the power armor centurion

And yeah, the question of "What the hell will he actually do on the battlefield and what unit will he go with?" is entirely reasonable

I hope there are saturnine centurions though, there's really no reason there shouldn't be

>>95945556
this is why 100% of people should be buying recasts and proonts for their legion specific stuff. GW doesn't deserve even a penny with how trash they treat customers "teehee billion dollars in sales and we couldn't learn how to hire someone to write a single non-broken ruleset in 20 years or release digital free rules"

>>95944638
With the saturnine AP3 flamers, who knows

Flamers in general seem to be looking really good this edition for causing statuses, let alone killing stuff better

>>95945390
Even if they're just heavy flamers with breaching 6+/5+, that's honestly not bad at all depending on cost

Assault S6 AP4 Breaching (5+) template on a full squad would be a pretty scary little bomb

>>95945167
It's not the ratio of infantry to armor that is cool it's the ratio of armor with the same armor that is cool. Multiple of the same vehicle are very cool while rolling up with 4 tanks that are widely different is very boring.

>>95944996
If there isn't, there could easily be reintroduced. Just like there's now full BS Overwatch and old snapshot overwatch (volley fire), there can be:
1. Evade reaction. Costs 1 RP, grants Shrouded (5+) damage mitigation
2. Go to Ground. Costs 0 RP, grants +1 to cover and causes the Status Effect that prevents further reactions, forces snapshots and stops movement.
What's that, Suppressed?

>>95942741

Yeah, I have them. They're supposed to be the best of the best, without flaws, and they play that very well.

>>95945194
Didn't they say the heresy was crazy times and legions were so powerful that sometimes they could field entire companies of dreadnoughts? Dunno, crazy stuff

>>95945404
Henry Ford did. And he got sued for it.

What would you do to fix artillery?

>>95945705
Is that were his hatred of happy merchants came from or was he like that already?

>>95945194
Contemptors in the HH aren't particularly rare or standout, though certain weapons like the conversion beamer are

Castaferrum dreadnoughts were available too, to the point that they were looked down on as inferior to a contemptor

Even leviathans aren't particularly rare, the Ultramarines dreadnought in Know No Fear at Calth was a leviathan and he was pretty much a nobody

>>95945167
One dread, one rhino, one predator, one tac squad, one small HSS, one small termi squad, and one HQ.

>>95945720
Remove it wholesale. Single strikes purchasable.

>>95945720
Make the guns direct fire, mount them in an up-armored chassis, place the gun in a turret if possible, provide infantry support...

>>95945008
hook you up with what?

>>95945720
>What would you do to fix artillery?
You get to pick two of three: high firepower, barrage or long range

Even then, AP3 should be the maximum with the only way to get AP2 being breaching

AP4 artillery should be cheap, with the bigger tradeoff being opportunity cost for those heavy support slots

There's nothing fun about being able to shoot your highest power weapons without LoS, ask anyone who plays against eldar

>>95945761
How was the build

>>95945761
tempestus scion looking muthatucka.

>>95945772
quite nice despite the size.

>>95945720
For 3.0? If I were in charge it would be something like
>high strength
>bad AP (AP4 at best, maybe AP3 for big plasma blasts or phosphex)
>mostly focused on inflicting status effects
basically something to soften up the enemy by inflicting statuses and forcing saves before your heavy hitters roll in, rather than deleting entire units off the board

>>95945764
I get that. Idk why anons scream about bringing back ap3 artillery, it's aids and its unfun.

>>95945761
Cover rules
Any weapon stats in the rule book?

>>95945785
The vindicator does what the medusa always should have done, which is a short range AP3 pie plate

The medusas problem was that it could fire indirectly, which was just retarded for how strong the shot was

>>95945720
Just make it good? Like a Scorpius?
There's nothing wrong mechanically with it. They just went full retard with points and weapon profiles on everything else
Most of them would be fine if they had breaching 4+ or even 5+

>>95945792
same as 2.0
no

>>95945809
>Just make it good? Like a Scorpius?
There are a fair few units in the roster that are good but just aren't taken for a variety of reasons

For example, I think a thunderhawk with a turbolaser is a pretty damn decent alternative to a falchion/fellblade and can transport your deathstar too, but not that many people ever get one for obvious reasons

>>95945859
This is specifically about artillery. They made everything other than the Scorpius 80p too expensive and with a shittier gun. And they are all in the same slot that already fights with a ton of other good units. There's literally no point in taking them

>>95945849
Do tanks still have combat and crushing speed? Are defensive weapons the same?

>>95945849
>same as 2.0
Thank fuck. Was expecting them to force more change for no reason in there ngl

>>95945761
A lot of people have been asking about the unit types rules. And I mean -a lot-

>>95945761
Can we please have rules for unit types? That's been one of the holes in how the game works we've been wanting more info on.

Also is there weapon type info?

spoilers for era of ruin
Katsuhiro survives the siege of Terra and goes back to being a wagie

>>95946013
Suffer in ignorance.

>>95946092
Who?

>>95946092
I think you read my hero academia bro

>>95946093
And that's what I get for asking nicely I guess.

I hope that command squads can either go to 10 models or have a point cost ending in 5 or 0 this time, was really annoying have that extra or missing 1-2 points

>>95946118
Be aware of yourself, beggar.

Midnight bits delivery is a good excuse to do some converting. Finally got some heads to try on my Squat exo-armour. Out of all of them, this one worked the best with the body. Still missing the axe blade I intend to use. I know it's somewhere.

>>95946118
Your question is like a base ball. You throw it out there and the other guy swings. Dont keep holding onto it, or it's going to hurt when the other guy bats.

Oh to be an Iron Warrior gunning down Salamanders in their tactically inferior position.

>>95946292
Sounds like a skill issue.

>>95946300
>squatted exo
sexo for short

>>95946389
>Tactically superior position
>AKA laying on the floor pretending to be dead

Land Raiders are currently Reinforced (Crew Stunned doesn't stop them) and have a Machine Spirit (basically Split Fire).
What will they be immune to, this time around?

>>95946476
Immune to being one-shot by a meltagun, thanks to the meltagun needing a 6 to pen and then still not doing enough damage.

>>95946476
Split fire and ignore being forced to snap shot by suppression (but not immune to the status itself)

>>95946476
They're functionally very difficult to actually stop before they throw out their cargo, which is probably the point

Spartans I think will be the bigger beneficiary of all of these changes, because with a flare shield (assuming it works similarly to how it does now, which based on the thermal diffraction field it very well could) they're literally immune to melta guns from the front

>>95946501
Died 2022
Born 2025
Welcome back Spartans invalidating melta guns

>>95946521
Meltaguns are going to be way better into side angles anyway, people are assuming they'll always be firing at AV14 but against AV12 they're horrifically more likely to kill in one salvo than before

So the land raider family all being immune to that makes them less likely to be a target in the first place

WIP Iron Warrior Praetor/Centurion. Can’t decide between giving him a cape or a servo-arm. What are you working on, anons?

>>95946092
>Katsuhiro survives the siege of Terra and goes back to being a wagie
Hey man, he literally found a wife and a babby in the dumps and then took them and his space marine friend back to Hokkaido in Glorious Japan...uh, the "Dragon Isles"

>>95946521
>>95946501
Land raider bro....we are so fucking back.

>>95946599
he was pre-equipped with the baby, all he got was a one-armed waifu

>>95946528
>Meltaguns are going to be way better into side angles anyway, people are assuming they'll always be firing at AV14
I mean....LR and SPartans are AV14 all around so dont matter what sides you are shooting lol.

>>95946580
Just finished a Siege Breaker. Though I hate how the axe turned out, might redo it. Until then assembling thallax next.

>>95946624
Soooo... does this mean he is into stump jobs?

>>95946626
That's the point, land raiders are probably one of the worst units to dump a bunch of melta shots into unless you have no other choice

>>95946656
That double headed axe is such a great bit from so long ago.

>>95946501
>thermal diffraction field
Do we already know what it does?

>>95946677
Reduces strength of Las, plasma, melta, and flame, saturnine Dreadnought rules article

>>95946528
The fact melta is horrifically unreliable against av14, in a game that has MANY vehicles with av14 all around, means its just a poor choice to bring for AT to begin with.

Why use an unreliable option when you can just spam lascannons or whatever?

That said, they're probably still very good against dreads and termies, so they're still useful, just not so much as AT.

>>95946679
mmmm that makes me think the felblade is going be a scary mother fucker for 3.0. That AP shell is gonna FUCK things up.

>>95946681
>MANY vehicles with av14
What vehciles have full AV14 all around?
LR, Spartan, Mastadon....Thats all i can think of. Even super heavies are not all av 14, the only AV 14 are heavy assault transports that for pretty much all of 2nd ed were dog shit at transporting.

>>95946679
What ap2 guns AREN'T effected by thermal shield? Like, heavy disintegrators, but what else?

>>95946684
Based
Time to make a DA Ironwing Tank+Mechanized Infantry force with a Fellbalde centerpiece for 3.0

>>95946695
Maybe neutron lasers?

>>95946681
>in a game that has MANY vehicles with av14 all around
There are exceptionally few AV14 allrounders, the vast majority have AV12 or less sides/rears

Even the cerberus/typhon have AV13 rears, which doesn't sound like much but actually DOUBLES the damage output of meltas against them

>Why use an unreliable option when you can just spam lascannons or whatever?
Not really that much better against AV14, even when standing still. 10 will average around 4 hull points of damage against AV14 with the heavy bonus, which isn't amazing

>>95946692
The ever popular spartan, mastadon, kratos, 4 flavours of land raider, and I was going to say typhon and cerberus but I forgot they are av13 now, but still, av14 front and sides.

>>95946696
Brother im way fucking ahead of you. Right now i got a spartan, 2 Land raiders all fully painted up, and working on a fell blade. Im even thinking about being stupid and filling the 2 land raiders with breachers. Going to be my "Zone Mortalis Spear head."

>>95946692
What if LRs lose all around AV14 like how in 2e they had weaker sides/rear?

>>95946656
I like the axe fwiw

>>95946695
Fellblade canons, Big fucking bomba like Typhon.
>>95946703
>Neutron lasers
Anon whats the second word of that weapon.
>>95946716
>Kratos
Is it full AV14? I have never seen it on the board so.

>>95946679
This is what the Satties have right? Does it change anything? They're already t5 arwn't they? I guess Plasma might care?

>>95946696
I was thinking of doing an infantry wave for my IW, but I might be doing an armored fist army myself.

>>95946712
Lascannons are reliable against av14 and lower, while melta is only reliable against av13 and under. And lascannons have long range so you are easily going to actually be applying that damage every round, vs the melta squad that is going to be lucky to get 2 volleys off, and needs to get into melta range to start with.

Not saying they're useless or anything, but honestly their role as 'end all of AT' is very much not a think anymore. Sure, they will delete predators if you get into melta range, but lascannons will obliterate them easily as well, and from long range.
While against av14 targets, lascannons will have hit that LR/spartan multiple times vs the melta squad's once before it gets deleted since its right on the enemy line.

>>95945167
100% infantry. Exceptions for a dreadnought or two.

>>95946729
Fellblade cannon yes, typhon no, its ap3 (unless it gets buffed).

Yes kratos is av14 on all sides, plus funny flare shield in front.

>>95946730
Sallies currently have -1 to wound from Flame, Melta, Plasma, or Volkite weapons, which is kinda funny considering the 'thermal diffraction field' doesn't work against literal heat rays.

>>95946730
They're T6, so it affects S3 (6s to immune) S5 (5s to 6s), S6 (4s to 5s), S7 (3s to 4s), and S8 (2s to 3s)

...shit I just realized if lasguns and lasrifles actually have the las trait then that makes them immune to the most common guard weapon LOL. Truly the plasma loadout will be total militia/solar aux death.

>>95946740
I wouldn't really call a 1/3rd chance to do 1 or 2 hullpoints reliable, and lascannon HSS are not exactly low priority targets with amazing defenses, nor can they return fire the way they used to

That with their enormous cost means they're probably not going to be auto picks for this sort of stuff, especially when a land raider (or more realistically, a spartan with an AV15 front) is going to disgorge its contents before you can stop it, at which point it's pretty moot

>>95946759
-1 to wound, not strength. Unless the rule changes to -1 strength, it won't make them immune to anything they weren't already immune to

>>95946759
>arcuitor magisterium in duel against lone iron hands saturnine praetor, m31.006, colorized

>>95946783
I think it is -1 to strength

>>95946696
>tfw you're already in the process of making a tank heavy DA army

>>95946783
It's -strength, unless war comm is wrong (not impossible but unlikely after this long without edits, when the article was already edited previously)

>>95946740
A lascannon squad having to shoot a land raider/spartan at least twice means that transport will already have delivered its cargo before it is destroyed.

>>95946779
honestly, the better question is why are humble missile launchers going to be a genuine contender as anti AV14?

Melta and lascannons are both just going to be hoping to plink down 500 hull points on a spartan, while a single s8 missile can immobilise the spartan. Even if it repairs itself, a single turn of no movement is either going to force them to disembark early, or delay their deathstart from actually doing anything useful.

ALSO glancing hits are specifically written to not allow cover saves at all, while pens do, so its even more efficient against hull down vehicles.

God these vehicle damage changes are so genuinely fucking retarded, I don't understand what their logic behind it is.

>>95946791
>>95946798
Oh I thought you were talking about the salamander trait, not the termie shield, whoops

>>95946813
Land raiders are immune to the no-moving status

>>95946822
I'll believe it when I see it, but it'll be pretty funny if it's just mechanically impossible to slowdown now.

>>95946725
Thank you, Anon

>>95946729
Name of the weapon doesn't matter, only the type that it's given. Various neutron weapon get lobbed under the 'Las' in the current rules (regardless of whether they have "laser" in the name or not), but there's also some that don't. Similar to how stub weapons are now classified as 'Auto' weapons. It's all up to how the designers want to define them. Personally, I thought it was the neutrons that were doing the heavy lifting in neutron weapons. Lightning guns also use a laser as part of their operation, but get classified their own thing.

>>95946871
>Name of the weapon does not matter
>Its lobbed under las
I...anon i dont have the necessary skills to help you through this one.

>>95946921
his point is sometimes weapons with a given name don't have a trait you'd expect, based off that name.

Meltabombs not having the melta rule is an example

>>95946921
Neutron blaster and neutron-wave cannon do not have "laser" anywhere in their name, yet are classified as "Las" weapons. Lascutter, despite the name, is not a "Las" weapon.

>>95946332
It was less a "hurt" and more a "oh, okay I guess". Leaker anon asked what I'd been waiting for and I offered it up and got about what I expected honestly as a result.

>>95946669
>2.0 Lascannon sponsons
Too strong. They can kill vehicles in one go. They should be ...more expensive! That way they won't be able to do the thing I'm complaining about
>3.0 Lascannons
Too weak. Say you score a direct hit - mere 2 HP shaved off, out of half a dozen; no status effect applied either. I hope they get cheaper!

Can't wait for 4.0 eh?

>>95946834
Doubt they'll be immune to Immobilize. Or "motors destroyed - causes Stunned", whatever they're calling it now

>>95946951
They are literally described as laser weaponry. not just in name their description.

>>95946958
Chances are it wasn't even leaker anon, just someone shit posting.

>>95947086
No it was me.

>>95947086
Yeah leaker anon has been pretty MIA for a while now. Honestly if it wasn't for the dread picture I'd assume he'd died by now.

>>95947097
Can't believe you without proof

>>95947131
pinkertons got him and his friend coomed all over the pages so they're impossible to read

The day thousand sons mechs get turned to plastic is the day I play this game

>>95947154
The current approach is telling you to pain a castellax glossy red and use the TS decal sheet on it

>>95947131
I wouldn't be surprised if red shirts and such have to start building and painting their sets by now.
Even dread builder could be random employee doing that, and not willing to post rulebooks.

>>95947140
I can believe this without proof

>>95943259
He's talking about the Emperor

>>95943793
Agreed, I also like that they went from monopose to split legs and torso so it's easier to kit bash. They also refined some of their older models to make them look less fat, especially the trim.

>>95943819
Yeah 1-2mm spacer on the hips, I'm doing this for my old mark4.

What size are objective markers in3.0?

>>95945283
I know this is difficult for some to grasp, but an LGS is a business and it's their job to persuade me to spend money there, not my obligation to support them. They're not a club, community, or friend and if fucking you in particular up the arse with an unlubed rusty clawhammer bumped their margins by half a percent they'd do it without even a second of hesitation - you owe them absolutely nothing. Hell just by playing there with 100% online-purchased or chinacast or poonted models you're giving them value in exchange for the space because you make their store look popular and vibrant and friendly which draws in the type of customers physical retail makes most of their money from these days: clueless relatives shopping for presents.

(also: Hello Jeetjanny; really, multibans for lightly mocking your backwards religion? Hindunats are the most fragile faggits on the planet, you're pathetic).

>>95947579
>They're not a club, community, or friend
That is literally what they're supposed to be you psychopath it's called a FRIENDLY LOCAL GAME STORE

>>95947549
Objective Markers are markers in the Game that indicate important Objectives that your forces will need to Secure. In order to Secure an Objective, units you control will need to be within that Objective Marker's unique Control Radius. A Control Radius is defined by a Circle centered upon that Objective Marker with a Radius of 3 (Three [III]) Inches. A Circle is a closed planar curve every point of which is equidistant from a fixed point within the curve. The Focus Objective can be Controlled by your Units if they are within that Objective Marker's associated Control Radius, in which case that Objective Marker is said to be under your Control.

>>95947549
32mm but it doesn't matter because you measure from the center not the edge anyway. You just can't deploy on top of it.

>>95947594
I genuinely can't tell if this is the insane actual wording from the 3.0 rulebook leaks, or some deranged AI slop.

>>95947583
Go to a frendly local game store instead

Do you think Admech will keep the chaos toys?

>>95947747
Mechanicum is squatted. There is now only the Legiones Mechanicus, the support forces sent by forge worlds in their deep admiration of the Astartes legions

Tips for kitbashing HQs from MK4 tactical boxes to keep my costs down? I'm guessing bare bones melee consuls and an armistos with a heavy bolter or a missile launcher are a good start?

>>95947795
The arms from the 30k plastic vehicles top crewman can easily be used for centurions and especially Master of signals.

>>95947549
There is a hard rule on obj marker size? I always felt 40mm is a good one so you can kitbash something fun

>>95947795
If you're a poor fag, than in terms of most gear a centurion/consul has, the basic tac box has basically everything you need.
Power weapons (paragon blade can easily be represented by a normal power sword), special pistols, leader hat, etc.

Gear them up appropriately, paint em up so they are clearly a leader dude, and msybe some greenstuff work for extra leader trim etc, put em on a rock so theyre physically a little taller than your basic dudes, etc, etc.

Would anyone consider house ruling plasma as AP3 with breaching 5+?

>>95945408
>The #1 rule of this hobby, regardless of system, is to buy models based on your enjoyment of the models themselves
IF I did do that i'd just print better, quality proxy designs in TrueScale.

>>95947579
>faggot no-friends rant
>cant help himself and adds in a completely unnecessary /pol/ tier rant about browns because God forbid he make a single post without one
A better counter argument to the moral of this post than the post itself could not exist

>>95947892
You can do that anyway, you spend money because GW says bark and you gladly howl

>>95947878
It wouldn't make the biggest difference, you're getting more for your wound rolls of 2/3/4 for sure but it's not that crazy

>>95947892
>the better quality designs in question

>>95946759
it would make them immune to lasguns but not lasrifles with the blast charger profile, assuming that's staying and isn't going back to being an upgrade; they'd still be better than bolters in that situation

>>95946759
>tfw you used Penal Cohorts to give your dudes autoguns
Also, why the fuck are the thermal shields not affecting Martian heat rays?

>>95947854
I don't think I plan on buying any special boxes, maybe even no vehicles. I still have my old 40k rhinos and a whirlwind so maybe I could strip and repaint those.
>>95947869
Pretty much the plan to keep them "cheap", three to five boxes of mk4s and that's pretty much it. If it works out then I might also get a catapr terminator box and the two for one box with the betrayal at calth HQ box. That way I will have 60-100 MK4 marines:
>40-60 tacticals
>5-10 heavy bolter, missile launcher, plasma gun and meltagun marines each
>maybe 5-10 flamers on place of that many tacticals
>perhaps some kitbashed HQs in place of tacticals
My favorite part of the heresy was always the art showcasing battles between thousands of marines.

Idk how to feel with Rapid Fire being simplified to always 2 shots. I assume it's so you can now always charge after shooting any non-heavy guns? Shrimplified.

>>95947967
I love terminators that thing is not a terminator. I love dreadnoughts that fucking thing is not a dreadnought

>>95948363
shrimplified but not shrimple

>>95948431
>t. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyqVpxH_9u4
I so hope SA ogryns get some options, because there's a tiny voice whispering in my ear to convert some Saturnine back into exo-suits and use them as ogryns. GW's never going to do it.

>>95948363
Rapid Fire started as a space marine-only special rule involving bolters

you can only now charge after shooting if your weapon has the Assault trait

>>95948487
Oh, so, bolters still prevent you from charging in 3.0? Then why make them 2 shots across their full range? No enticement for close range high risk high reward.
Inb4 "short range doesn't exist". The opponent doesn't have unlimited reactions. And if they Reposition (all 2 units), they won't be able to afford the more important Return Fire.

Also 40k had a rule for full range 2-shot bolters when marines were stationary for a while. Called it Bolt Discipline or something

>>95947583
Amerishartiburgerlardifat hands typed this post. I know in your mad world corporations are people too and you have no choice but to drive 500 miles to the local hellmall to play games in a store with lots of L-shaped grey cardboard, but in civilised countries our businesses sell us things and we socialise with human beings at places of our choosing.

Even so, Americans shouldn't be let off the hook, the only people keeping you enslaved to this mad mentality are yourselves. Find community space, rent a place yourself, form a club that *uses* a local store as a place to meet but isn't beholden to it and treat it as what it is - a business establishment that wants your custom - and structure your relationship with it accordingly, hell, arrange to play in a rotation at each other's homes aren't you always boasting about how you have gigantic suburban castles to live in? Again, retail outlets are not your *friend* you mental case, as evidenced by the countless people who complain about the way most "FLGS" now shun wargamers in favour of TCG whales *because they make more money from them*.

You're like a beaten wife crawling back to the feet of the man who struck you because you're too afraid to know what life could be without the certainty of his fists.

>>95947903
The moral of the post being organise your communities around a community, not a desperately sad parasocial relationship with a business? Maybe you should take a wee Media Literacy course there bucko.

>>95944008
No, incorrect. That site shows old cadians to be 28mm from foot to helmet tip when in reality those are hovering around 33 mm.

>>95944008
It's kinda spotty, dunno how receptive they are on Discord or whatever they're using for feedback.

>>95948363
We haven't seen any charge restrictions like that at all.
ON the other hand, it might be that you don't get to charge at all if you have shoot any weapons. Idk why they'd fit another shooting phase inside the charging phase otherwise

>>95947878
Yea sure, at +20p per gun

>Choose between limiting your guns and hitting on 5s OR getting intercepted at full BS
>The other 2 assignments don't even let you use non defensive weapons
Did Flyers need to get nerfed this hard?

>>95948535
>why make them 2 shots across their full range?

because Tacticals now shit out bullets

>>95949125
Compared to their situation in 2.0 it is a buff lmao

Leave Magnus and Horus to me.

>>95949364
>Bring out the gimp

>Sudden Death no longer means you win when you wipe your opponent's army
>You just get a pathetic 3VP and the winner is still decided by VP
This new version of Sudden Death is some CAACfag shit. What the fuck GW? This is bullshit. So when I kill everything my opponent has I only get as much VP as one fucking tactical squad gets for standing on an objective for one turn? Or wait no, even less because Line now gives bonus VP for objectives.
This combined with all the nerfs to dreadnoughts is gonna make my army unplayable. I think I'm just gonna quit and sell my army. GW is forcing people into taking stupid shit like tacticals, but I just wanna play elite units that do what is actually important: kill everything. Worst change of the whole edition.

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>>95948554
You are a future suicide statistic