Would you rather play against sloppy, really hideous "thin your paints" type models from a guy who keeps telling you how proud he is of the paintjob and you have to hold your tongue, or unpainted plastic from a guy who just bought a new army?

>>95946270 (OP)
>unpainted plastic from a guy who just bought a new army?
That one because that's me

Grey plastic looks better than shitty paint.

>>95946270 (OP)
>sloppy, really hideous "thin your paints" type models from a guy who keeps telling you how proud he is of the paintjob and you have to hold your tongue
This man showed effort.

>unpainted plastic from a guy who just bought a new army?
This man disrespects me and my time and is probably WAAC as well. He wants to try out his latest list? He can paint them.

If the atrocious paintjob guy is early 20s or a teenager him, being enthusastic but retarded is acceptable at that age, if 25 or over, bare plastic, being terrible and lacking self awarness is just crazy embrassing, especially when painting information is so easily accesible.

That said I would willingly play neither, I play with miniatures instead of video games because I like how decently painted models look on a table.

>>95946270 (OP)
WTF does thin your paints mean? I haven't done anything with the models in years, shit's too expensive, but I hear this all the time here, "thin your paints." What, add water to the jar? Why?

>>95946488
Shitty GW base and layer line of paints are so full of chalk in them that you need to thin the paint or your minis will look like a wax sculpture.

>>95946526
Any specific lines of paint you recommend anon?
I’ve rpging for a while and want to paint some minis as a new hobby.

>>95946270 (OP)
>sloppy, really hideous "thin your paints" type models from a guy who keeps telling you how proud he is of the paintjob
This guy, because he's at least having fun and enjoying himself while the other dude has a decently high likelihood of being a cunt

>>95946577
in my experience bad painters with low self awareness tend not not be waac but be REALLY sore losers

armchair psychology is that both require lack of introspection and self awarness and a certain kind of entitlement

>>95946526
So the paint is too thick? They must have changed since I was doing it in the early 90's, I was pretty proud of how my eldar Avatar turned out considering my inexperience, carefully brushing gold over the raised runes, adding splashes of blood to his sword. I should see if I can find it.

>>95946488
Put some paint on the palette and add water or medium so it doesn't obscure details.
Paint straight from the pot/bottle will be too think and gunk up some parts.
Happens with every brand from my experience with the exception of speed paints/contrast.

>>95946595
please do and post it :)

>>95946595
Models have gotten significantly more detailed since then and painting techniques have been refined.

>>95946573
First of all decide the kind of shit you want to paint. If you want small detailed minis like warhammer, you want thin water-based acrylics. Good brands are vallejo, army painter, atom/ionic, two thin coats and AK 3rd gen. GW/Citadel has contrast paints which are actually really nice, unlike basic stuff, but they are a thing of their own you should look into.
If you want to paint vehicles and robots like gundams, you want to go straight to airbrush solvent-based paints. You can make do with the acrylics listed above but the solvent stuff is so much nicer. They self-level extremely well, dry instantly, have perfect coverage and look great. Good brands are mr. hobby, gaianotes, revell, tamiya and humbrol.
>>95946595
Citadel changed at least twice. But I think they got thinner, not thicker, over the years.

I won't play against someone running an unpainted army full stop. That includes someone running a single primer over them all.

>>95946650
How about partially painted? Like if they just slapped an army together and wanted to get a game in before it's finished.

>>95946628
Yeah, at my WORST when I was starting at 15, nothing I ever did was as bad as the one on the right.

>>95946630
My lgs has recently started stocking these expensive pro acryl paints. Are they good enough that the price justifies them?
>ak 3rd gen
Those are stocked as well thank you!

>>95946659
Actually painted is fine, assuming they are actually painted and what you call slapdash isn't just primer and dunk horseshit.

>>95946270 (OP)
>telling you how proud he is of the paintjob and you have to hold your tongue

If you have strive not to chastise other people for completely innocuous things you're the worst kind of person and deserve no games either way.

>>95946607
>Happens with every brand from my experience
Bullshit nigga. Look at this lil robot guy I painted just now to prove you wrong. This is 100% dry atom paint in 2 coats. I didnt even have a humid brush, shit was completely dry.
Does it look awful? Absolutely. Was it a terrible experience? You bet it. But does it obscure detail (other than the obvious horrible brush strokes)? No it does not. You can even see the support points that made me bin this model and the tiny aquila detailing. It looks nothing like the citadel horror stories.

>>95946707
this is bait

>>95946630
>Citadel changed at least twice. But I think they got thinner, not thicker, over the years.
It might have helped that I had a pretty extensive brush set, so details like eyes on helmets was easy, and I had one of these things.

>>95946683
I think pro acryl paints have a weird medium. They become a rubber-like thing after they dry in a tray and they don't interact well with some primers.
>Those are stocked as well
I would get AK 3rd gen, then. I love them.

shower and be chill

>>95946270 (OP)
I would just be happy to be playing.

Considering Vulkan's gimmick is repeatedly dying and coming back to life, you could probably pass that off as being in the middle of resurrecting or something.

>>95946428
>>95946428
>This man disrespects me and my time and is probably WAAC as well. He wants to try out his latest list? He can paint them.
It's just a game

>>95946270 (OP)
I have never once in my life played with a single unpainted miniature.
(Though I've played AGAINST gray tide more times than not)
Naturally, I prefer the guy with a poorly painted army.
You can't really tell how badly something is painted from the other side of the table anyway.

>>95946270 (OP)
You dont paint your army you dont have a right to play. Simple as, no amount of money spend will change that. You can buy 20 armys and I still dont give a fuck about you. That one guy investing the time and making effort is more true to hobby then the hippster throwing money to gain validation.

>>95946848
Based game enjoyer

>>95947065
It's not just a game. It's a hobby. There are game components, but there are also painting components and you are expected to do both.

If you want to roll dice, buy a codex or get a pdf of rules and some dice. You can roll them as much as you want at home.

>>95946270 (OP)
I played with a guy like that all through my teens that maybe learned an imperceptible bit of brush control by accident, there was a guy with no arms on the tournament scene at the time that was a better painter
If the greytide is brand new, sure, but if there's not any effort to make a start on painting them soon, then I'd rather the guy that at least somewhat tried to paint

>>95946750
>they don't interact well with some primers.
Any specifics? I use from the hardware store rustoleum black spray primer not the paint plus primer version. Soon will have to switch to premiere black spray primer because tariffs.

>>95947065
If its just a game then im sure you wont mind that i wont play with you

>>95946270 (OP)
Painted

>>95946423
Wrong

At a tabletop level an awfully painted army is infinite times better than a grey tide. A golden demon winning army is better than poorly painted, but the difference isn't that large at tabletop level

>>95946270 (OP)
The first one, but I'm not holding my tongue.

>>95946488
So your models don't end up like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3p_VuPIS2c

>>95947065
>It's just a game
Sure, that's why I don't see why I should suffer a greytide game I don't enjoy.

>>95946270 (OP)
Contrast paints are such a blessing to bad painters.

Always always always painted.

People should educate themselves though. It can be really fucking easy to paint tabletop standard miniatures these days. There's many more tools to do so than in the 90s.

I'm talking coloured primers and Marine Juice, with selected drybrushing and choosing the right paints out of the bottle for coverage.

A lot of the time I think the problem is people kind of run before they walk and start "experimenting" with highlights and freehand and weird basing schemes and stuff without stopping and thinking. And that's all good and well, I did it when I was 12 too.

But there are routes to painting stuff that looks pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEHm8YW4cQE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4x0El5xOxU

The op image is from a commision painter's portfoilio he willingly shows off btw

>>95946423
This is my best work ever. Everything just seemed to align while i was working on him. My brush kept its point and it wasn’t too humid out. I’m really proud of the detail i was able to achieve on his face and the wires leading to good apothecary thing. Also notice how well the shading came out. I had tried a new technique here where i mixed ink glue and water.

>>95946270 (OP)
Okay, but 80% of players really should thin their paints. It's the #1 mistake people make, by a lot.

Bad paintjobs are the first step towards not so bad paintjobs. Greytide just leads to more greytide.

>>95949845
based

>>95946428

Tournaments require 3 colour minimum, if I see someone with grey armies I know they have limited time for the hobby or some kinda ADD/autism shit keeping their brain from focusing on it but still enjoy the wargame. If it's the latter, they're probably a pretty good opponent due to the 'tism kicking in on tactics.

Shitty paint says to me "I don't give a shit about the hobby, I just like the endorophins from an easy win and was too stupid to get into a cheap hobby, so I copied a broken tournament list I have no clue how to actually drive."

Those fuckers have no grasp of tactics, worst of both worlds. I can run rings around them in terms of actual gameplay whilst they get mad their overpowered list doesn't work if used by an inbred mouthbreather who doesn't grasp the basics of target priority and board control.

>>95946488
No clue. I haven't thinned any paints in over 40 years and am sure as hell won't start now.

>>95946270 (OP)
Painted, any time. Even a shitty paintjob looks passable on the table and I'm not going with a magnifying glass over my opponent's army.

>>95946270 (OP)
>and you have to hold your tongue
I reject this premise. I'll compliment his grasp of certain fundamentals and encouragingly--rather than disparagingly--offer him some pointers, even offer to paint with him sometime.

>>95946270 (OP)
Whichever isn't a tryhard.

>>95946270 (OP)
The paint guy, because at least he makes the effort and will likely try to improve when he sees his own models in comparison to a better painter's.

>>95954239
Looks great anon, don't forget to apply a wash to bring out more of that detail. You'll be a pro painter in no time! Say, how about after this game we go get some fries and shakes :^).

>>95946270 (OP)
The first one. Paint your goddamn minis!

>>95946270 (OP)
The dude who actually cares, not the dullard who can't even be bothered to engage with half the hobby.

>>95949845
this guy is a bluesky faggot

>>95946270 (OP)
The former. Despite what idiots are saying itt about greytide looking better than shitty paint, you cam really only tell if you look at the minis closely. On the tabletop as long as the colors make sense it's good enough even if sloppy.

>>95946270 (OP)
I'd rather play against the one who has the best grasp on the rules of the game, because the paints don't affect the game.

Badly painted in a sensible color scheme > unpainted > painted at any level in a very bad color scheme

>>95959352
Play a video game retard

>>95946270 (OP)
>would you rather play with a retard or a fag
a retard would have an excuse

>>95959549
>muh vidya gaems
Fuck off.