How much are you getting paid to DM? Surely you aren't doing it for free...

>>95949112 (OP)
>How much are you getting paid to DM?
I'm getting paid in social capital as, "the GM guy" to friends I regularly spend time with. I'm not getting paid in like, cash but that's what my job is for. Maybe my experience is biased because I don't run DM-Hating faggot games like 5e or Pathfinder.

>>95949112 (OP)
I'm getting paid to do this, instead: *rips a greasy pepperoni fart down your throat*

>>95949222
welcome back greasy fart anon. haven't seen you in a bit.

>>95949112 (OP)
I'd rather just play with my friends, bro. You don't need to try to turn everything into a 'hustle'. That shit's sad.

>>95949507
Then I hope your friends, at the very least, DM for you. If not then I hope they at least suck your cock once in a while or paint your house for free. I really really hope you're not doing all this work in running their games for them with absolutely nothing in return like most DMs out there. And if you do do that I really really really hope you don't complain online about the fact that you are poor and own nothing with no wife or kids.

>>95949655
>>95949112 (OP)
DMing for money is lower than prostitution.

>>95949655
I can and have called on my players to suck my cock, and only one of them has. I don’t really like doing it regularly because I see him and his family every Sunday morning.

>>95949655
DMing isn't work, anon. It's a hobby. Pepole do it because they find it fun.

>>95949222
Based greasy pepperoni fart anon telling it like it is.

>>95949655
I enjoy DMing. Do you not?

>>95949655
Given that DMing is not a job for me, it means I'm technically free to do it whenever I actually want and not on a strict schedule. And given that I DM for my friends and not paid clients, it means that they don't mind if I delay a session for personal time if I make my plans clear with them. That's why I don't turn my fun into my job. It's a hobby, not a paid obligation.

>>95949112 (OP)
Why do you keep posting this?

>>95949112 (OP)
DM's are supposed to be
1: selective about who they run the game for
2: encourage others to take up DMing so they can play too
3: provide food for players to eat halfway through a session

only a shit DM would ask for payment, it's so counter to their fucking role as DM

>>95949112 (OP)
My playgroup is girls only so I get paid in blowjobs and rimjobs no cap

>>95950497
1. You can still do this and get paid. Nothing obligates you from not taking in clients that you don't want.
2. This is a valid exchange for DMing for others, however most DMs are "forever DMs" whos friends have no intention of ever running a game for them
3. You do all this work for free and then BUY THEM FOOD? You are out of your mind. Know your value and stop being raped.

>>95950589
I will not pay you, get lost.

>>95950589
>This is a valid exchange for DMing for others
It's not an exchange, anon. Playing is a shared hobby, not a business transaction, and GMing's a fun part of that hobby.

>>95949112 (OP)

GMing is its own reward.

>>95950497

I object to 3. I think GMing is enough work and the players should help with logistical elements like hosting, meals, and rounding up the flaky/forgetful players.

>>95950714
Where I come from the host is expected to serve guests, maybe you're different but it's always been a bit of a flex, a chance to show off an entire suite of skills.

>>95950714
>GMing is its own reward
Do you make at least $125 an hour?

>>95949655
Haven't you ever done a good deed for someone or used a skill you possess for the benefit of others, with no expectation of reward? You must live a sad lonely life if you regard every interaction with other human beings as a 'trade' where you have to come out equal or on top.

>>95951269
Do you not know what 'GMing is its own reward' means?

>>95951406
Sure for my parents, my wife, my children and my other relatives. Sorry I don't labor for free for the benefit of people who are not my genetic kin like some cuck.
>>95951437
Do you not understand that you are poor by choice?

>>95951541
Most people who aren’t broke bitches don’t need to beg friends for money to play games with them.

>>95951269

I feel like paid GMing would attract the wrong kind of people. Rich assholes and so on who'd demand control of their narrative etc because they're paying customers.

Also I want to reserve the right to just bust out a board game or put on a movie if I'm really not feeling up to GMing.

>>95951541
>Do you not understand that you are poor by choice?
Actually, I have this thing called 'a job'. Have you ever heard of them? Have you ever considered getting one instead of trying to monetize your hobbies? If you already have one but it doesn't pay well enough to keep you out of poverty, have you considered options for career advancement or career change?

>>95951726
and they would be entitled to whatever kind of experience they want, they are a paying customer.

>>95950497
>3: provide food for players to eat halfway through a session
This assumes that your game is happening in person, and that the GM is the one physically hosting the game at its location. That is not nearly always the case. Being a host and being a game master are different duties that sometimes overlap.

>2: encourage others to take up DMing so they can play too
No, not really. This assumes that in your forever group, there is a perfect dynamic of people who want to DM and will be good at it, or that they will like you as a player instead of a GM.

>1: selective about who they run the game for
This is actually important though. Assembling a group that you think will enjoy the kind of game you want to run, and who will play well with each other in said game, matters.

>>95949167
Fpbp

>>95953561
forever DM is something to avoid if you enjoy participating as a player

>>95949112 (OP)
$80 an hour. DINKS have so much money

>>95950497
Food comes from players

>>95949222
I know it's a model swap, but what the fuck is the original context of this?

>>95949655
>DM for my friends for free
>cook for them as well
>also drive them places when they need it
>even buy things for them like new laptops and video game systems
>married to one of them
>just bought a house
I have nothing to complain about. What I do have is a community of people who care about me, as well as a six-figure income and three-quarters of a million in savings and investments. And that's AFTER the down payment on the house.

>>95953704
Congala is a big monkey that farts on you to give a debuff that stops you from using certain items.

>>95953725
>married to one of them
have anything to do with all that?

>>95949112 (OP)
Yeah I agree. Critical Role really ruined what DnD was about.

>>95951541
Why are people like you so obsessed with cuckolding

>>95949112 (OP)
Depending on the time and day, anywhere between $34 to $58/hr before tax. I run TTRPG games sometimes as part of my social work, we use various board and video games as well as sports alongside D&D. In my hobby time I do not do paid DMing, it's not my work and brings an entirely different vibe to it.

>>95950497
>3: provide food for players to eat halfway through a session
I make my players host the sessions, provide food, snacks and beer (I usually drink about 10 as part of a session) and drive me home afterwards.

>>95951541
Why the hatred for cuckoldry? When you arecucked, it means someone is shagging your wife or partner. In your case that would be a plus because they would be enhancing your devolved, selfish, inbred bloodline with their own.

>>95949112 (OP)
I have a job, so I don't have to monetize my hobbies.

>>95951269
>125$ an hour
Impressive, very nice. Now let's see the amount of unpaid hours spent to prepare a session

>>95949222
>>>/d/11319891

>>95956264
>not respecting the greasy pepperoni poster
You do not have the mandate of heaven.

>>95954704
>Why are people like you so obsessed with cuckolding
Genetics are the last "quality" they have left.
>>95956158
>Now let's see the amount of unpaid hours spent to prepare a session
$60/hr is still a pretty good wage.

>>95949112 (OP)
I am a straight white man so DMing for free is the only choice.

>>95949112 (OP)
recently watch campaign 3 and holy shit was it bad. I genuinely felt bad for matt mercer. He should have block some of these characters because they dont fit his setting or the campaign at all. And the amount of disrespect the players were being by not trying to act like their character instead acting like edgy "fuck the gods" atheism is cringe as fuck. the good gods are good, and the evil...evil!!!

>>95949112 (OP)
€60 a day. May not seem like much but here in Eastern asshole of Europe it's decent money.

>>95949112 (OP)
Have you considered people might dm as a hobby because they...enjoy it?
Have you considered that a DM getting recognition and praise for their storytelling and work is enough for some to be happy, that the reward on itself is that the players dont drop out because they consider you bad or unskilled, that you've actually captivated them enough with your work that they remained till the last session?
That in todays world finding not just a good dm but good players that play to your strengths and style is difficult when the hobby has been raped and diluted by pic related?
Not just that but that if youre willing to put up with players from pic related for money that it would probably make you hate the hobby, that you would lose enthusiasm and creativity because it just became more souless slop for a quick buck?
I genuinely hope your posts are just bait and youre just fucking around because otherwise maybe this hobby isnt for you and you should find something else to monetize.

>>95949710
It also attracts a worse clientele.

>>95954125
kek no he just really really needed to let you know that he is not only financially stable enough to buy his friends laptops but he's also married. very insecure fella

>>95951269
That's a similar to what a hooker makes on the street. Yet neither do I want to touch an old mans greasy cock nor any WotC publications.

>>95956278
For a full time job, yeah. Heavily depends on how many sessions he runs a week. Since most people have a large overlap in their free time it's likely he'll only manage one session a day.

>>95952200
This explains your obsession with cuckolding.

>>95951269
>up to
So not $125 an hour

>>95956518
5e has produced a short supply of DMs because the incentive to run something for casual normie theater faggots isn’t there. It’s why so many games have been made over the years that are “5e but dumber” to try and figure out what these casuals need to finally decide DMing is tolerable, but they never find one because these idiots lack critical thinking and have the discipline of a toddler.

I would never consider professional DMing alone. BUT
>Be native english speaker living in Eastern EU
>Know multiple other native speakers in my city who do "conversation lessons" in English where they just smalltalk for an hour and get paid a reasonable if not huge amount.
I'm seriously considering trying to start a D&D ESL sidegig, I feel like its unique enough to not be tapped out in the market and I might not want to kill myself after like my regular 9-5.

Any thoughts anons?

>>95957313
>native english speaker living in Eastern EU
Why?
>Know multiple other native speakers in my city who do "conversation lessons" in English where they just smalltalk for an hour and get paid a reasonable if not huge amount.
Yeah, that's a common thing, most laguage schools (or even regular schools with language classes) try to get native speaker involved because it makes them look more prestigeous / legit. Besides being a native speaker do you know any language theory? Can you name the four conditional without looking it up and give example of each? Are you imagining that "D&D ESL sidegig" targeting people your age or children and do you wanna go school-adjacent or completely independent?

>>95957440
>Why?
I'm from US. You couldn't pay me to go back there right now. Plus everything is much cheaper here and women compared to american goblins... you get it.
>Are you imagining that "D&D ESL sidegig" targeting people your age or children and do you wanna go school-adjacent or completely independent
I imagine it would be most popular among teens to mid twenties. But I would do some test runs and see what sort of demographic shows up the most / willing to pay. I imagine it would be popular among rich teenagers parents, one friend of mine works at an ESL private highschool and only rich kids can afford to go there. Their parents lose their shit about anything that can be conducted in english plus its more time that their kids are in free babysitting.

>>95957533
>I'm from US.
fair enough
>I imagine it would be most popular among teens to mid twenties.
That's two different demographics. For teens it's as you say - you're targeting their parents and need to sell it as reliable, trustworthy, and added value for the child's education. In that case it would work better if you work adjacent to school or other official institution (bigger cities should have some sort of "youths culture center", former komsomols).
For mid-20s (essentially people legally adult people out of highschool), you're targeting directly the customers, and better approach may be selling it as "cool" with the added value.
Another option to consider would be instead of D&D making it some sort of English Board Games Club, bigger initial investment to get the games (unless you already have a collection), but you don't care so much about player retention, people can come and go as convenient, and you don't need any prep time for each session.
Also, depending on which country you specifically reside at, you may need certification/permit to work with children. And be able to declare the income for tax purposes. (But I guess the friend that already teaches can fill you in on details.)

>>95957731
This is great workshopping anon, thank you.

>>95956158
You prepare 1 adventure and now you can use that in every session you DM. After doing it for a while you can have a whole years worth of adventures ready to go with minimal preparation.

>>95958182
Running the same adventure time and time again for people who are paying customers and expect to be treated as such sounds kind of horrible to me. It sounds like a good way to make RPGs feel like a particularly boring and repetitive 9-to-5 job.

>>95949112 (OP)
30 bucks an hour

>>95958214
Imagine being such a faggot ass nigga that you're complaining about playing rpgs as a job.

>>95958262
But you aren't getting paid to play, you are paying for someone to run for you with 0 effort involved.

>>95954125
Because >>95949655 specifically said
>don't complain online about the fact that you are poor and own nothing with no wife or kids.
So it was indeed relevant to point out the depths of his wrongness.

>>95958292
Anyone can marry a pig as fat as your wife. It's not really an accomplishment.

>>95958262
Same adventure, over and over again, for players with the entitlement of paying customers? Damn right I'd complain about that.

>>95949112 (OP)
They pay with their sanity as I subtly work in my esoteric and schizophrenic philosophies, as well as my deranged opinions on society as a whole
i DM Call of Cthulhu and sometimes ACKS

>>95958333
Then why haven't you done it?

>>95958262
>Imagine complaining about doing an hobby that has been stripped out of literally everything enjoyable

>>95949222
Based anti-tranny bro

I get to fuck around with homebrews instead of cooking and cleaning then after the session when I'm shitfaced I get a bj. I could pay to DM and it would still be worth it.

>>95951726
That's what makes it so good.
You've already got their money, so you can do what you'd like to their character.
And if they leave? Plenty more where they came from.

>>95949167
FPBP

>>95949112 (OP)
Someone gave me the entire Garten of Banban collection to run a game for them.

>>95949655
>Then I hope your friends, at the very least, DM for you.
Of course they do. Why, are you not playing multiple concurrent campaigns with the same group but different DMs?

>>95949112 (OP)
I get paid in greasy pizza and at least an hour of cuddle time with the chick with D cups

>>95957302
The short supply of DMs is largely to do with the fact that 5e does such a tremendously bad job at teaching people HOW to play and run the game, which is why a significant portion of players simply run straight out of the adventure books, often repeatedly.

>>95949655
DMing is it's own reward. I control the game. I get to put my creative output into it. I get to experiment and see how people react to stuff. It's fun. I literally don't get upset when they go off the rails, I like seeing how they react to traps, the occasional puzzle, and social dilemmas. If you don't get it that's fine, and that doesn't mean you can't be a DM, but you can't expect everyone to see it as some chore.

>>95949112 (OP)
About $150 a session.

>>95949112 (OP)
We go to a club with paid GMs so part of the money is to maintain the space, and the other is for the guys running the activities. Is like any other type of club really, I'm considering running some adventures I want to test there so I can also get feedback from strangers.

>>95968017
Lies, most people just prefer to play over running a game, mostly because running a game, even on the easiest most basic systems demands doing twice the job, being good at improvisation, at ruling and at reading way more.

>>95958262
The lifelong adage never to mix your hobbies with work remains true. If you love "playing RPGs," you're going to get sick of it. It only works if you pursue something for the love of the craft, like a performer giving the same show after the hundredth time but still looking for ways to improve upon it.

I am "repaid" in effusive goodwill. I am rewarded with affection, friendship, the satisfaction of a task done well, and the opportunity to be both creator and spectator. And sometimes they buy me dinner or a video game.
I spent this past week with my fellow GMs and players, visiting the locations from two of our (modern day) campaigns, talking about our games and characters. We improvised more RP during our car trips and evening hangouts, poked fun at one another, and enjoyed true camaraderie.

How can I charge my dearest friends even a single penny, when they have given me so much of greater value?

>>95949112 (OP)
I dont need money. I need a life

>>95974999
Based and ascended past the need for simple material wealth pilled.

>>95974276
So you don't love the craft of DMing?

>>95974999
I hope that all of that goodwill and affection tastes good, fills your belly and puts a roof over your head when you lose your job and can't afford rent or to feed yourself.
If you waste your life on any action unrelated to achieving a greater position in society and propagating your genetics, you are betraying your natural instincts as a life form and likely possess some form of mental illness that is responsible for this deficiency.

>>95975843
NTA but a big part of what I love about GMing is being able to put all sorts of new ideas I've had into the game and see what players do with them, and if I was to just run the same thing over and over again I wouldn't really get to do that anymore.

>>95975879
I'm assuming you're trolling, but people work to live, they don't live to work. After the basic necessities of food, warmth and shelter are secured, enabling comfortable, enjoyable leisure time is a big part of the point of employment. Beyond that, finding social interaction and social relationships inherently meaningful and valuable, not just transactionally so, is very much a pat of basic human psychology.

>>95958405
Most people have standards lil bro.

>>95951269
I really pity this guy. I looked into his life. He tries to support a daughter but has no consistent employment anywhere. Acted in a couple plays, wrote music for a friend's web series, and yeah, I bet a couple nights a week he brings in $125 running games. I'm guessing he has five players and they all pitch in $25, most likely to keep him from starving on the streets of Brooklyn with his poor daughter. His Facebook page never breaks 25 views. He should just go back to waiting tables like when he was in his early 20s.

It's fucking heartbreaking that Business Insider posted that story without a critical look at how miserable it must be trying to make rent in Brooklyn.

>>95949725
is...is he at least cute anon?

>>95975879
>If you waste your life on any action unrelated to achieving a greater position in society and propagating your genetics, you are betraying your natural instincts as a life form and likely possess some form of mental illness that is responsible for this deficiency.
I've only ever seen this mantra repeated by the most miserable men on the internet.

>>95983021
>It's fucking heartbreaking that Business Insider posted that story without a critical look at how miserable it must be trying to make rent in Brooklyn.
Business Insider doesn't care, friend. Business Insider is a journalistic website designed to pretty-up the most ghoulish excesses of American society as something tolerable - if not appealing. They wrote a story about a single mother getting kicked out of her house (she was renting, of course) and moving into a hotel - and her kids loved it! What a charming story, very sweet and adventurous.

>>95975879
If you would consult this handy chart I made, anon

>>95975879
Imagine being so poor that you can’t even conceptualize having free time

>>95975879
People can... just do things for fun. You know that right? What is this boomer ass mentality. You know that old saying about don't let hobbies become your primary source of income right? There's literally no quicker way to lose passion for what you do than that.

>>95988580
>What is this boomer ass mentality
This isn't boomer, this is Late-Stage Millennial brainrot. Boomers love their shitty little hobbies, it's Millennials that developed complexes over spending any amount of time not making money.

>>95975879
>action unrelated to achieving a greater position in society and propagating your genetics

You have aspergers, you shouldn't propogate those genes.

>>95988580
My hobby and my work are the same thing and I'm enjoying it just as much. Losing your passion is a skill issue.

>>95949655
>at least suck your cock once in a while or paint your house for free.
what a fucking faggot