Thread 95949413

Sons of Thunder edition

Previous Heresy:
>>95942704

>HH 3.0 Leaks
https://imgur.com/a/344L8ku

>New Edition Soon™
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

>New to The Horus Heresy? Here’s Everything You’ll Need to Get Started
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/30/new-to-the-horus-heresy-heres-everything-youll-need-to-get-started/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

>MEGAs are down for the time being, going to wait for things to cooldown with the new edition and leaks before bringing them back up

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

>Thread Question:
What's your favorite melee weapon?

>Sudden Death no longer means you win when you wipe your opponent's army
>You just get a pathetic 3VP and the winner is still decided by VP
This new version of Sudden Death is some CAACfag shit. What the fuck GW? This is bullshit. So when I kill everything my opponent has I only get as much VP as one fucking tactical squad gets for standing on an objective for one turn? Or wait no, even less because Line now gives bonus VP for objectives.
This combined with all the nerfs to dreadnoughts is gonna make my army unplayable. I think I'm just gonna quit and sell my army. GW is forcing people into taking stupid shit like tacticals, but I just wanna play elite units that do what is actually important: kill everything. Worst change of the whole edition.

>>95949425
No, its to encourage objective based gameplay and army list building associated with it, rather than building army lists designed to leafblower your opponents army off the board.

>>95949453
Don't engage poor bait anon

>>95949413 (OP)
>TQ
POWER FISTS ARE BEST

Honestly, does anyone feel a little forced to "fill out" any detachments that their army is missing? Like, my original plan was just two sicaran omegas to fill 1 HS slot, but now that I've got room for a full 4 tanks in 1 detachment I'm kind of looking at grabbing two sicaran venators to finish the set, might as well right?

>>95949453
>rather than building army lists designed to leafblower your opponents army off the board.
Ok first off it's called Maru Skara bitch, and my opponent can't achieve his objective if he's dead

>>95949413 (OP)
>Thread Question
Call me a basic bitch, but the thunder hammer still looks the best, feels the best and crushes traitors the best.
Though I'll also accept the solarite gauntlet as a worthy rival to the TH.

AWOOOO

>>95949511
Congratulations, you are the reason GW invented this retarded system.

>>95949425
You will not be missed

>>95949413 (OP)
>TQ
Lightning claws. More lightning claws. Paired Lightning claws especially.
They don't need to be optimal, just good enough, and they're good enough for me.

>>95949521
You didn't kill them fast enough. If they have more VP and you still lose when you table them then they were the better player. They already achieved their objective.

I do appreciate these photoshops.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/qbwgpft8/loyalist-lore-where-were-the-legiones-astartes-as-the-horus-heresy-broke-out/

>>95949604
One of these things is not like the other.

>>95949592
If I've got someone down to 2 tacticals by turn 3 but I'm down by 5 points it is genuinely better for me to waste both our time by dossing around for 2 turns collecting vp instead of calling it there. That's bad game design.

>>95949413 (OP)
>TQ
Graviton Crusher (not stat wise, but cool as fuck)

>>95949618
Why were you down 2 turns of scoring

>>95948436
I'm glad my little meme still gets used from time to time

>>95949618
>I got myself into a winning position
>Don't need to table opponent to win this battle
>Bad game design
Anon, I really hope this is bait because if you're in that situation where you can say "We can call it" and then choose not to I can't help you.

>>95949604
>Most of the small fluff pieces follow the older HH lore
Kino

>>95949618
>He doesn't like a force fighting and dying to the last man to defend a doomed objective and against all odds they manage to succeed and help the war efforts with their dying breath
Sad!

>>95949604
would prefer anything of substance, but that wolf's disintegrator looks neat.

>>95949536
Until next winter bro

>>95949666
He also doesn't like games come down to the wire and have with last minute upsets. He just wants to win immediately.

>>95949637
NTA but second half come backs are possible. Especially with flexible or disappearing objectives. That said he just described how 90% of games have gone since HH1e so I don't know what they're on about.

>>95949425
Eldar player detected

>>95949666
Well now it's just a couple of remaining dudes standing around and watching helplessly as the opposing force undoes all their work, taunting them and ensuring their comrades died in vain... Actually, y'know what, that's right up my alley. Changed my mind, I'm fine with the new rule.

>>95949682
Not any of those anons, but I'd be happy with "Figure out what you could get in the remaining turns and add that to your score."
So if you table an enemy with more points but don't have any line troops (or, I guess that's less a thing in 3.0, so scoring troops?) you're still fucked, but if you have the squads who could hold the objectives, you get the points.

>>95949711
>Mission is to upload enemy fleet data critical to the war
>Fight bloody battle into enemy front line
>99% casualties
>Manage to upload the data at the last minute
>Slain to the man
>Comms officer receives call from the ground
>It's the enemy commander
>"Hey yeah, uh I killed all your guys so actually I won so you have to delete the data."
>While bridge laughs on speaker phone and hangs up abruptly
>Data upload allows enemy fleet to be routed
>Total space battle victory where thousands saved in the short term and millions more in the future
>Heros slain remembered for eternity

Why the fuck does the siege breaker have phosphex bombs but not the moritat? Give the siege breaker upgraded melta bombs or some shit, but leave ge war crimes to the war crimes guys FFS

>>95949751
>Kill all their guys
>Unplug their computer because it's only at 60% progress
>Data is corrupted and useless

>>95949797
The point of the scored, past tense (this is important), VP is that the objective succeeded/completed. Eg if it were a data upload mission and that player won its because it the data upload was completed and the VP added to their score then and there.
>But I don't want a narrative, nor do I want to think about "tactics"; I just want to table my opponent as fast as possible with no regard to "objectives" or "victory points" to win by default!

>>95949797
That would only make sense if it was end of game scoring. Clearly the partial data is of some value, so maybe you should get your ass back to the computer and keep uploading files to the cloud

>>95949790
It is wierd Moritats don't, but Siege Breakers are "Break the Siege any% speed run" commanders and get access to the war crime armory.

>>95949790
Siege breakers are responsible for the warcrimes section of the armoury, and have the authority to order its deployment.

Moritats are loner emo marines obsessed with killing.

>>95949820
>nor do I want to think about "tactics"; I just want to table my opponent as fast as possible
this is... this is literally a tactic. A very well used one throughout history, such as germany's blitzkrieg. Destroying your opponent's forces rapidly so that he can't achieve operational success is also the modus operandi of multiple legions by the time of the heresy. Perhaps tabling your opponent shouldn't be an automatic win but it shouldn't immediately end the game with only a 3 point bonus, because it encourages me to only cripple my opponent to being useless instead, which is effectively the same thing but narratively stupider.

>>95949937
>Destroying your opponent's forces rapidly so that he can't achieve operational success
Letting your opponent achieve objectives for 2 turns so he outscores you despite dying is not preventing them from achieving operational success

>>95949413 (OP)
God, I love thunder warriors

>>95949970
A battle lasts for 5 turns. If I am willing to put my scoring on the backfoot for 40% of the battle so that my opponent is unable to stop me from outscoring him during the remaining 60%, then yes, that is preventing them from achieving operational success. If I am in a scenario where by turn 3 I would unanimously win if the whole five turns played out, even if at the current moment I am down by 4 points, then the game should not immediately end with me only getting 3 more points. That is SILLY

>>95949937
Great, too bad it wasn't fast enough and the enemy achieved their objective before you could wipe them out. Should have planned better.

I do understand that you could also go stand on objectives and farm VP without needing your opponent to be on the table. That said, if you reach the point where you could table your opponent and it causes you to lose, but if you leave them and can farm enough VP to win, you don't need to play out the game. You can just call it. It's the same net time save outcome as if you won by tabling. If your opponent wants to play it out and all you have to do is move then just move and pass til the game ends and you win.

I can't imagine a scenario where the last unit of your opponents army will outscore you if you can control multiple objectives for the remainder of the game. Two objectives without line should outscore one with line. If it's some whacky mission where the sole enemy line unit is on your home field for a bigger advantage then you got outplayed.

>>95950052
No, it's objectively not preventing them from achieving operational success, because if you had they wouldn't have scored those points, the literal definition of operational success

Holy fuck you retards we've known how to deal with this for literally the past decade JUST KILL THE SCORING UNITS FIRST

>>95950095
If I table my opponent in two turns because I brought a better army, I deserve to win. Not +3 VP.

>>95950114
But you didn't bring the better army. They had units that were better able to score the objective, therefore they were the better army.

>>95950114
Your opponent brought the better army and played a better game if they won while getting tabled. There's no way to spin it otherwise.

Let's talk from a table top game perspective. The devs said "we don't want people to bring hyper killy armies and win by tabling so both players can have list diversity and a better experience as this isn't actual war." That's a win for the experience.

>>95949790
because moritats are going to be firing their pistols to better effect

>>95949604
Geez they are scrapping the bottom of the barrel already and it doesn't even release for another month...

>>95950175
They definitely blew their load too early. They don't have enough actual teasers to fill out the time. Or they had to start early because of the leaks and instead of rules and more every day they had to pass out the days.

>>95949405
What the fuck is this? So snap shots regardless of rules or snap ships unless you have anti flyer targeting rules? You intercept when it's... At the edge of the board? But it's off the board? I'm not opposed to flying off the board same turn if it has a specific target, but this seems silly.

>>95950189
>What the fuck is this?
Oops meant >>95949125, the flyer missions

>>95950189
>They don't have enough actual teasers to fill out the time.
One article about each legion's rules. That's 18 days right there.

>>95950199
Flayers don't act like normal miniatures anymore, instead you roll to bring them from reserves to do 1 thing before they go out again. If they don't get shot to pieces that is.
Idk why the OP only has the special rules
Add all the leaks to the next one
https://imgur.com/a/wuHWyoO
>>95949413 (OP)

>>95950203
The libers were not in the release list. It'd be pretty funny if they expect us to just play with the starter rules for another month.
Don't know why they would bother making them different otherwise

>>95949751
I, too, remember the Eye of Terror Campaign.

>>95949405
This seems thematically appropriate. The Heresy is filled with "victories" that had no surviving victors.

>>95949618
Suddenly hazardous weapons don't seem so stupid.
Go balls to the wall turn one, get up 4 vp, intentionally die to a man before the opponent even gets a chance to score.

>>95950125
>>95950142
They don't have the better army. The only thing that makes a unit good is how much enemy units it can kill, and how fast it can kill them. Any fucking unit can stand around on a random point doing fuck all, there just shouldn't be rules that reward that. It just doesn't make sense.
But if I killed all your units that means I won, because you're dead. Anything that goes against that is just shit game design.

>>95950332
Buddy, I think your brain cells are overworked. Give them both a chance to rest.

The most "realistic war game" I've played from GW is probably Necromunda, because the games tended to end with one side bottling out like losing armies in real battles do.

>>95949521
>my opponent can't achieve his objective if he's dead

[laughs in Bunker Hill]

>>95950332
calm down Russia

>>95950223
Thanks for posting that. I'm conflicted. On one hand it appears some force snap shots regardless of things like helitical targetting, which is good. But the strike mission doesn't seem worth it unless the flyer has a strike mission full ballistic skill rule. Id wager that things like the xiphon or the A-10 clone plane (Avenger?) will get a bonus to strike missions. Drop mission seems actually good. I used a Darkwing a lot in 1.0. If the Storm Eagle has assault ramp it might actually be good.

A little sad that these skirt the line of "no model needed, just a large oval base would work". But I mean rhinos and drop pods are glorified tokens too.

>>95950332
At least try to pretend that you care about the setting of the battle

>>95950381
>If the Storm Eagle has assault ramp it might actually be good.
You can assault from all vehicles now, tho ignoring the downsides would be a lot better

>>95950381
I mean, both drop pods and flyers were originally FW only stuff. Space marines used to be able just purchase deep strike, no drop pod model required

>>95950395
Oh right, but still having the ramp would be great. Flyers may just be good-ish. Fire Raptor strafing runs will be the one to check.

>>95950401
Dread pods were FW. Regular were mainline GW plastic, and still are. Though the new models don't have guns so I wonder if that will change.i want to use triple death storm pods one day.

>>95950349
Blackshields did that too in 1.0. It makes sense that most armies don't do that considering they are meant to be a small slice of a battlefield composed of groups that are several times the size of them unlike in necro where what you see is what is fighting.

>>95950417
No, drop pods were originally a FW resin model, they got a plastic in 5th edition, I don't know when the resin ones came out but I was around then the plastics did, I started with 5th

>>95949453
Yup this allows games where one side has a mission to complete and the other side has to stop them.
Doesn't matter if you kill them all if they pull it off.
>This is the stuff novels are literally made of.

>>95950417
>Fire Raptor strafing runs will be the one to check.
idk about that. Getting intercepted with full BS does not sound good. And even glancing hits take away HP. I'm expecting flyers to be made of paper desu

>>95950455
Yeah and no one likes black library novels

>>95950332
If your killing units were so good why can't they score AND kill

>>95950475
No one likes playing against dreadnought spam either
So get fucked

>>95950460
I misread and missed "not" snap shots. It's a tough one. It seems that interceptor is when it placed so range will matter. I know Deredeos will likely always be in range. If I had to copium, on average a Fire Raptor will get one strafing run, take damage but survive, and die on the second if the deredeo is still alive. I just hope that free interceptor via Augery scanner is gone otherwise there's no point. Or an FAQ says a unit may only trigger one reaction regardless of freebies. It is interesting that base Interceptor is snap shots, so drop pods and deep strikes don't get wiped.

>>95949618
>Ignores 2 tacticals
>Looses games by 24 VP after 2 turns

>>95949425
Get yourself to Throne of Skulls, you'd fit right in

>>95949425
Tacticals always score unlike you LOL

>>95950515
Just because dreadnoughts aren't your fetish doesn't mean they're not my fetish.

>>95950742
I scored the top 5% of my city, which gave me free entrance to military middle school. And I going to highschool I kept it up. I score high.

>>95951050
>military middle school
Aren't those the school parents typically threaten their kids with if they don't get their grades up?

>>95951050
Then why are you on 4chan

>>95951050
So are you ready for gorilla warfare?

>>95951050
Underage b&

Kratos done I think

>>95951423
Kewl

>very small group of "Traitor" Thousand Sons that survived Prospero and hate Horus, The E, Magnus, and Space Wolves, who go around just fucking shit up out of spite
based or cringe fluff for some dudes?

>>95951451
That's called blackshields

Did they mention what weapon options are going to be in the box for the mk2 marines?

>>95951510
Bolters and Disintegrators mate

>>95951451
how small ? 2K points army small ? I mean they're basically planet bounds and they are done once they shot all their bullets.

Now that I think about it, they're probably state bound withing that planet.

>>95951510
>weapon options
You mean aside from the same accessory sprue that every other mk of armour gets?

>>95951451
>>95951459
RETVRN TO SQVARE

>>95951545
I’ve never seen a marines sprue in my entire life.

>>95951451
Hey you're me and I'm not biased and say it's based. Shiny red and proud, fuck them Primarchs

>>95951632
You can see the mk3 and mk6 on the store.
They get a power sword, a fist/lightiningh claw and a plasma pistol.
That's all options you are getting with tacticals

I got a resin FW land raider proteus off of ebay like a million years ago, but I never did anything with it because it was assembled shittily. Is there a way I can dissolve the super glue so I can rebuild it with out destroying the resin?

>>95951696
Dissolve, no. How bad is it? How much glue was used? You could freeze it but you risk making the resin brittle too.

>>95951632
The base marines don't have much besides bolters + bayonets and the sergeant upgrade sprue, but they're made to be used with the weapon upgrade kits to get whatever special/heavy weapons you like

Those upgrade kits are pretty sweet too, you get 10 of each weapon in there so one box can go really far if you like variety. They're also armor Mk agnostic.

>>95951696
If it's superglue then you can try using super glue debonder. Tho that's usually used to remove the superglue remains on surfaces. Idk how well that would work if it's big flat surfaces stuck together.
Maybe if you apply it repeatedly over several steps instead of all at once it could work

I just want to say i fucking HATE this new FP RS shit i absolutely fucking hate it there is nothing wrong with A S
NOBODY is gonna use it it will just be attacks and strength

>>95951803
It's not about making the game better, it's about making the game different.

>>95951803
It was always weird writing that ranged attacks and melee attacks are two separate things that have completely separate buff pipelines but were both called attacks

>>95951696
A saw. Debonder is unlikely to work unless there's very little glue. Just cutting it apart with a hobby saw and filling the gaps afterwards is the ultimate solution, I've done this exact shit before and it sucks

>>95951814
Churn edition

>>95951716
>>95951754
The main issue is that the tracks don't line up (and the previous owner just globbed on texture paint to try and mask it) and there are some poorly applied ultramaries forge world bass etch plates on it (and I'm not too keen on playing ultramarines).
I went and looked at it, and, while in storage, most of the track ends got snapped off, so hopefully they're in the bottom of the box it was kept it. Although maybe it is a fool's errand to try and fix it when I could just buy a brand new plastic LR proteus with all the options for <$100.

>>95951835
This is what I was worried about. It looks like it was soaked in glue.

>>95951865
Oof, well time is money and at worst it could be terrain.

>>95951876
I have heard second hand that if it's CA glue, you can freeze it and snap it apart. No idea if this would work with a resin tank though.

>>95951879
>>95951894
Yeah, I think at this point, I'm just going to write it off. I'll put it on the low priority back burner, and if I run across a local kid who has interest in it and more time than money, I'll pass it along.
Although going through my stuff, I came across a couple of 25th anniversary space marines NIB (see picrel). Would that make a decent Imperial Fist character? Power fist and plasma pistol in corvus armor.

>>95951696
This will sound wrong but I swear it's right for bigger pieces. Heat breaks bonds better than the freezer.

A low heat in the oven will weaken the bonds of super glue and only takes a few minutes in there.

For smaller or thinner pieces you're going to break them no matter what you do when you try to break them apart. I have found the oven makes them soft and tears them and the freezer just makes them snap.

>>95952062
That mini is dope. I lost mine, sad. It would be a great fist yes.

>>95950248
It was a wondrous age, and we knew how good we had it.

>>95952062
Wish there was torsos with that old style MkVI cabling. All I know are either fixed to the rest of the body and the one plastic torso front I've seen is from the ancient SW upgrade sprue with wolfy stuff on it.

I finished these two.
My fluff is that they're both Traitors but they fucking hate each other so they try to kill each other on Istvaan under the guise of hunting Loyalists.

Painted a word bearers herald for my buddy’s birthday.

>>95949413 (OP)
I'd like to compose a Siege of Terra image, in a similar fashion to picrel.
Besides the main novels, what else should be included? and where would the latest book (Echoes of Eternity) even the placed among this mini-series?

>>95952577
Wow that came out awesome

>>95951423
Looks weird without a dozer blade. Like the tracks protrude too far forward. Really nice paintjob though

>>95951451
Do they get fucked by mutations and the Rubric? How long after the HH was that anyways?

I know it sounds dumb but the siege of terra books really should have included little vignettes of waht else is happening at that time of the war elsewhere in the galaxy, the siege books are so monotonous

>>95949413 (OP)
>TQ
Manreapers. They're silly, impractical, and only used by one legion, but I love them.

>>95951423
Really nice anon, well done!

Heightmogging? In my Age of Darkness?

>>95951803
it should have been like S(R) or S with a tiny R in the corner. I don't mind them making the distinction, but RS is just so visually confusing

leviathan basically done, just gotta finish his base. i hope i didnt leave it too plain with the markings on his torso.

im excited to actually get him done in time for the new edition, even if hes probably not gonna be that good lol

>>95953405
>don't talk to me or my sons ever again

>>95953405
I like how both the Leviathan and Saturnine are looking at the Contemptor like "wtf are you doing here?"

>>95953517
>TFW the normie Dreadnought shows up at the siege

>>95953405
Both can beat the shit out of a saturnine, between their toughness and invuls there isn't really a ton a saturnine can do to stop them from getting in melee except to be screened out by chumps

>>95953517
>wait why is there an Imperial fist here this is the dropsite massacre

>>95953489
Looking sweet anon

>>95953405
its so unnecessarily big . I hate this stupid thing.

Has anyone ever experimented with using land speeders for melee?

I play world eaters, so my speeders can take chainaxes, which on top of 2 attack charge bonus makes them respectably killy against non melee units (i.e. a HSS squad or tac squad that doesn't have fat FNP).

Their improved toughness, especially the javelins means they're quite tough against just basic attacks as well.

Obviously its primarily a shooty unit, but it occured to me that in some cases, charging them into a filthy HSS squad (and probably eating their assault reaction) could be pretty useful.

>>95953405
>Gotta buy the newest model fren. It's big. Wait till you see our next big model, it's even bigger :^)

>>95953405
God I hate 'eavy metal, the overhighlighting makes salamanders in particular look so shiny with all the yellow

>>95953588
one of my buddies uses javelins to trigger his SoH rite of war bonus, it certainly works but it's not very impressive

>>95953588
>Has anyone ever experimented with using land speeders for melee?
It's an understated White Scar staple and great use for them if you keep them cheap, it helps clear the way for jetbike command squads too

>>95953604
It's not to my taste, but I don't hate it, and get why they do it.

Its official art, they're trying to sell models so the paint jobs emphasises the physical model itself.

>>95953610
>>95953611
I might give it a go. A couple of las/MM javelins often needs to get fairly close to the enemy, then they are unlikely to expect the sudden 14 inch redeploy into a HSS's face. Even with overwatch, they're unlikely to outright destroy them, then once they're in melee they're essentially guaranteed to win... eventually.

A funny and annoying distraction, if nothing else.

>>95953637
>then once they're in melee they're essentially guaranteed to win... eventually.
It doesn't even matter as long as they aren't shooting anything important, that's part of what makes fast grav lists fun to play is because you suddenly get options for handling objectives/enemy support units that no one usually sees coming

>>95953649
I just want to see a angry lad swinging a chain axe from his couch break and rundown a whole squad of lascannon goons.

>>95949511
>>95949537
They should have just added a fourth heavy support and fast attack when they added the fourth slot to elites in whatever edition

Building a small mech ally force
>thallax 6 per box
>two MSU or one medium
>every option
>extra face plates
10/10 kit
>castellax 2 per box
>one of each special gun
>one power blade set
>no siege wrecker
fuck

>>95949790
Switched at birth, anon :P
I've always imagined the Siege Breaker should be the one who gets to equip a Heavy weapon, as to be able to be attached to a Heavy Support Squad and do more than just waive his hammer around. Didn't help Lascannons got natural Sunder for some reason, so there was nothing he could give them.

And also that the Armistos was the armoury guy, so he could unlock phosphex and rad. And that rites requiring a Siege Breaker could also accept an Armistos instead

>>95953268
>Manreapers
These things are nerfed every edition. Yes, two points do make a trend ;__;

>>95954324
What was the nerf before 2.0?

>>95954331
No, the trend isn't the points. It's the space between the points.

>>95954331
they were AP2 but unwieldy IIRC, and they got indirect nerfed by most elites going to 2 wounds without it being able to instant death (barring the reaping rad grenades)

Leviathan's deserve WS5

>>95954350
Also Reaping was their unique thing, until it got STOLEN by Custodes (understandable) and Space Wolves (unforgivable)

>>95954350
Originally they were unwieldy. Then they became at Initiative, then they became AP3, Rending (6+). Meanwhile, SW great frost blades stayed the same. I guess loyalty is its own reward. Smelly boy shouldn't accuse SW for stealing their weapons.

>>95954419
I was promised AP2 scythes 10,000 years ago

>>95954356
Imagine a video game where you play as Sanguinius during the Heresy, slaughtering your way through heretics. A chaplain acts as your assistant, informing you once in a while of what's going on and what needs to be done next. All culminating in an assault on the Vengeful Spirit where you make a heroic last charge against Horus. Then it's revealed you were just a Death Company member in M41 and the chaplain assisting you was the one assigned to your company, now mourning the loss of another brother to the Black Rage as the rest of the BA forces push forwards in another random battle somewhere in the galaxy.

So, who's the lucky sergeant you're going to elevate, anon? You already used the other Prime for a Logistical

>>95954517
>>95954356
Daily reminder the current WS chart is extremely gay. They should have left a 1 WS diff as the offensive bonus only, and required a 2 WS diff for the defensive buff.

WS mismatch in 2.0, and soon to be 3.0 swings combat so grossly, and invalidates a huge number of units.
Mechanicum in particular are next to fucking useless in melee against standard marines even with their melee units, since funny WS3.

>>95954517
>Sergeant can get +1 Ld.
>possibly even +2 Ld.
>Commander cannot get any Ld. bonus
I hope there's a way to make a sergeant with higher Ld. than your commander.

>>95954555
Don't take a praetor or centurion and only specialist consuls, they have baseline Trooper mental stats outside of their gimmick, a master of signals was all 7s except for int 10

>>95954537
Completely agree. Maybe you could try this and see if it works for you.
Some say that, if a single point of WS does not grant both bonuses, then WS4 terminators become able to counter WS5 terminators because it would result in a sort of mutually assured destruction.
But I think that is a good niche for otherwise basic Terminators to fulfill, whereas currently they're just outshone by WS5 termies on everything.

Wednesday night and time again for OC heresy art dump to mark another week of classes on the books
>Part 50: Help Me Pick a WB Chapter Edition

>>95954555
I think theres nothing that prevents you from using Combat Veterans on a single model instead of a whole squad

>>95954599
>Pick a WB Chapter
thats the neat part, you dont
intermix those fuckers all around the army

>>95954507
Most of that just sounds like Dynasty Warriors.

>>95954620
Last pic

>>95954610
>>95954620
Osseous Throne or Flayed Hand would be my picks
But the hard part is gray or red

>>95949790
Destroyer Sargeants get phosphex

>>95954356
>GROND mentioned
What a great day that was. Anyone have minis that are as legendary? Best I got was a chaplain watching Pollux trip over his own axe and die.

>>95951563
This

>>95952370
The new plastic rapier have that torso but it is monopose

Is it true that LI sucks ass as a game?
I just read a forum thread about guys saying it was dogshit compared to old epic but they didn't really explain why

>>95954728
That would be among the "fixed to the rest of the body". One can only hope some 3rd party makes copies with separate legs and torso. But I'm not holding my breath.

>>95954620
>Osseus throne
How couldn't I see it before? Skulls for the skull throne. There's an osseus throne dreadnought somewhere that is said to be equipped with a chem inferno cannon despite being WB instead of DG. That was before Toxiferran was first came up with, though.
So, chem munitions did exist; it's just they were rare outside of the DG

>>95954732
No. LIgma is fun if a bit messy. People can bitch and bitch and bitch about how it doesn't stack up with their fifteen year old specialist game but it's fun and cool and some losers' salt isn't going to change that.

Titanicus has been played! I've given another intro game and in keeping with my reputation I lost. This makes 4-0 noobs' favor and I don't find it surprising one bit.
Lanikasara got to bloody their horns but in usual tutorial game fashion we disregarded legio rules and stratagems.

>>95954593
Yeah this would be a million times better.

The termie argument is kinda dumb, because YES cheaper models should still be able to beat more expensive models, thats why points costs are a thing.

WS5 special termies/command squad is better per model, and likely have other benefits (special gear/rules, i.e. command squad has fearless and line), while the cheaper standard While WS4 termies are cheaper and not as strong, so NEED more bodies to win a fight (which also factors into transport options), where as right now they get kinda mogged and that's it.

>>95954820
I can't write off all my mistakes as bad luck but this game my opponent had 5s flowing from his hand while I kept my affair with the number 2. Laserbeak had a bad turn 2 where it lost 4 shields in a single salvo (though it would also drop the shields of its target despite its 50% obscurity).

>>95952370
You mean these actual mk.VI guys from forgeworld?

>>95954824
My little knights failed an early charge by the smallest of margins, if they hadn't the game would have gone quite differently as this lone warhound caused considerable havoc. The mere threat of those melta incisors in a ferrox light maniple was too much to contemplate.
I wasn't disappointed by these little magerna, but knight lancers are the only knights I would consider really useful. Still for their first game these little guys made a good show, though they wouldn't survive.

>>95954829
No, not the Y-shaped cabling, but the trident design with the box at the abdomen.

>>95954842
This is where the drama happened. Stripes gave the warhound a good beating but maybe blew its load too early as it backed off and the Laniaskara titan stepped up to the plate. I thought I was being clever and had Stripes rip its arms off in the combat phase, but then the Impaler's smash attack did 2 critical hits to Stripes which sealed its fate. I pushed its reactor into the red but only got a mere S5 magazine detonation.

Funnily enough I forgot to do the effect of concussion from Stripes's power fists, we rolled if after and it would have pushed the other guy out of melee range, but since we rolled after the dramatic smash attacks I didn't want to deny my opponent the glory so we just wrote it off as a mistake. That's what I get for having Stripes fight another reaver.

>>95954626
>30k musou

FUND IT

>>95954856
The melta warhound would snake around the building to threaten Laserbeak. It didn't punch through its remaining shields immediately but Bossman couldn't bring it down in one salvo despite bringing its full dakka to bear. I wanted to try out the laser blasters and they did some good damage but 50 points is way too much. If I'd take a cheaper option I could have gotten some upgrades (which probably wouldn't have helped either but I would have liked it more)

>>95954865
Laserbeak had to box the warhound in so the knights could get into melee. The magerna would rip its reactor right out its ass but would cause a critical meltdown which killed a knight and damaged laserbeak further. Worse though Laserbeak was way outta position and exposed, but if it had advanced properly the warhound would have just come up behind it and melted it without contest.

>>95954874
Laserface would lay Laserbeak low thanks to my opponent's excellent rolling and the long range of the graviton destructor, and the knights would be finished off by the other reaver. Turn 4 Bossman got to lay into chainsaw face with full dakka but came 1 pip short of finishing it off.
An excellent game. Small point games like this (1400) let you really appreciate how much impact a single unit or decision can have even if it irks you.

>>95954856
>Now, kissth

>>95954853
oh yeah RIP, there's not a lot of those. Just greenstuff it man, its an easy shape(s) to do.

>>95954751
just use a knife

>>95954885
love wins :D

>>95954696
good buddy of mine has a techmarine consul who destroyed valdor of all people in a duel

>>95954937
Forge Lords are pretty scary in melee if you build them for it.

>>95954965
they are, valdor ate thunderhammer that day

>>95954980
A thunderhammer? How boring.

>>95954537
>>95954593
I dunno guys, WS chart seems fine to me
>Mechanicum in particular are next to fucking useless in melee against standard marines
good

>>95954853
think it was only Aly Morrison and Bob Naismith who ever did them like that consistently; the Copplestone etc of the same era has the high box, and the Perrys' Lord Macragge has the high box, but Alan Perry's bikers have the cables straight from the belt

the Goodwin designs from 1990-1991 have a mix of cables straight from the belt and box on top of the belt

Was just at my local GW to pick up a book and the manager was unpacking his new stock and he pulled out the new saturnine box.
Said it was most probably the display one he has to build and paint, so new boxset hopefully will be out by end of july or ealry august.

>>95955135
The release date has already released, July 26th

>>95955145
oh, i've been living under a rock

>>95955148
Well not exactly released, more leaked

>>95955168
Yeah I meant leaked but my brain wrote release twice

>>95952852
You would have to include the last few HH books for starters, beginning with this one.

>>95952577
Those blue eyes really sell that model, well done anon

>>95953489
Absolutely beatiful anon, makes me want to start an Ultra army

>>95954593
this is where I think the new edition hasn't gone far enough with changing everything to modifiers. It should be that with no stats involved you always hit and wound on a 4+. If your WS is higher, you hit on 3+ and if it is double you hit on 2+, if lower then 5+, if twice as low then 6+..

>>95954856
Huh, are the LI Titans different patterns from the full scale ones? They look chonkier

>>95954628
Do me an IW one and I'll make a herald for it to honour your contributions to this thread

>>95955582
a Proper early XVIIth century one.

>>95955620
Makes me think of KnightAnon for some reason

>>95955226
>nick kyme
I will NOT be touching anything with that author

>>95955770
yeah like the 17th Panzer division logo, after they returned in 2053.

>>95954696
There was one anon with a AL saboteur that was infamous for blowing up a ridiculous amount of spartans and other vehicles in HH 1.0

Are the books that follow the word bearers good? I don't really care for the high school drama, but if they touch upon the subject of faith, I think that would be kinda cool.

>>95955890
Wait a minute...

>>95955885
>I don't really care for the high school drama
High school drama is the WB whole identity

>>95955885
The Last Heretic is a decent read, not sure it really offers much insight on faith though and the story gets butchered in Betrayer

>>95955890
>>95955820
>>95955620
You guys saw he mentioned Iron Warriors and not Fists yeah?

>>95956111
Iron Within, Iron Without
- Ferrus Manus

Did Pinkertons get the leaker before he posted anythin about terrain?

>>95956375
He said cover works the same

>>95956375
More like Stinkertons, those stupid retar

>>95956375
No. GW uses an in-house death squad with their own bespoke execution vans.

>>95956416
All made in Nottingham, of course

>>95954517
cowabunga it is

>>95954517
this is the moment I've been waiting for

>>95956562
New things we learned
>Assault Squads and Terminators have Vanguard
>Tarantula's have Expendable
>Faction focuses start next week

>>95956562
>lot of terrain
>no Marines
Looks good.

>>95956604
What a nice table, would be a joy to play

>>95956375
The leaker anon is a GW employee desu so I don't think they are sicking the pinkies on their own guys
>>95956562
Just another week of waiting until the real hammer blow hits...
>>95956604
That board is gorgeous but the amount of money it'd cost to make that is bonkers

>>95956604
>only 1 demolisher russ and a malcador infernus
Man those aux are about to get mauled lol

>>95956615
You forgot Sensei Duroku-san.

>>95956562
so I got 6 dudes with line 3 and 6 dudes with line 2 on objective what do I score and how do you decide what unit holds the objective?

>>95956615
>Thanatar alone solos their entire army

GW introduces VP rules that would make taking and retaking objectives back and forth more satisfying... and cuts down game length to prevent it from happening

>>95956674
What prevents you from homebrewing more turns in?

>>95956651
>blows up one tank
>gets buried in bodies
>can't fight it's way out because it has 4 attacks at WS3

>>95956688
Isn't the Graviton Ram a flamer? Also if it ever dies and explodes it's taking the entire SA infantry contingent with it. Plus it's got rampage and I doubt those SA are passing the Ld checks

>>95955787
There's only 1 story in there written by him

>>95956694
If the graviton pulveriser is anything to go by, the graviton hammer will be like S6 AP4 flamer with shock and breaching 6+

>>95956674
Epic also has game length of 4 turns.
Wonder if they'll have advance deployments or some such I don't mean just scout and infiltrate

>>95956589
Well I'm glad I already decided to use an assault squad as my prime troops choice with a master Sergeant lol. Though it still remains to be seen how effective they'll be with presumed loss of charge bonuses - hoping the ability to possibly force panic checks using hand flamers with maybe still retaining the fear (1) from corrupted will make them able to rout tacticals pretty easily in combat. Fun fact - routed is no longer cleared by getting in combat, and as far as I can tell nothing stops you from charging a routed unit with a Vanguard unit and getting the points from them being forced to fall back after combat

>>95956604
I've never seen that female tech-priest model. Is that from 40k?

>>95956749
>Female tech priest model
Anon.... That's just the new plastic archmagos,it's been out for months

>>95956757
>>95956749
You're both wrong, it's the arcuitor magisterium it's been out for like 2 months

>>95956562
I'm concerened by how hard they are pushing Tactical Statuses, it seems like they heavily benefit shooting armies and going first, having half your army efectively useless because you don't want to have them hiding behind walls dooing nothing is going to be a very boring game, Snapshots are doubly bad with how nerfed everything is now as well.

>>95956749
It's the Arcuitor Magisterium, a loyalist character in the Liber Mechanicum. Kind of an Inquisitor/Assassine. As the GW store is a mess, you'll find her not in the Mechanicum section, only through manual search.

>>95956768
Oh i didn't even notice the one Infront of tech thralls thought he meant the one in top right

>>95956650
Presumably you choose one as that's been the case for every game

A right handed pistol??

>>95956562
>Vanguard
Finally, an exuse to use these terminator power axes

>>95956824
Moritat bros, we are so back

>>95956824
Oh yeah, it's time.

>>95956674
If you had played HH 2.0 and used the new core missions from the campaign books you'd already know that the game being 4 turns is still plenty of time for back and forth close fought games.

>>95956674
>4 turns
The game won't even be an hour long lmao doubly so when half those turns are just moving stuff around into postion, you are only going to get two turns of actual action

>>95956562
Very cute GW, saying that the mission is decided before picking armies so players can "Tailor their army for the mission". But I am not going to bring my entire collection to the LGS just to start writing a new armylist on the stop after rolling for mission. Straight up delusional lol.

>>95956562
>select scenario before building lists
Neat. Makes sense that a force would be tailored to their mission

>>95956900
Just agree to a mission beforehand, so you can both bring armies ready for it

>>95955787
This >>95956698
And it's actually a good short story.

>>95956824
wtf are the pistol stats? ap3?

>>95956924
Only works if you know your opponent beforehand. The local player group just has people show up for game night, and people figure out who they're gonna play against after.

>>95956924
I'm going to be honest chief I was already kind of doing that for the narrative league we're in using the Martian civil war missions. My third favorite thing to do on the train is list building anyway.

>>95956931
>Heavy disintegrator: AP 2
>Disintegrator rifle: AP 3
It will be AP 4 :^)

Next week might be interesting

>>95953489
how did you get melee arm and shooty arm plastic? you buy two kits?

>>95956981
GW sells the leviathan melee arms and ranged weapons separately

>Ask store manager to set you up with a random
>Meet up with them
>Suggest just doing kill points or going untill sone one is tabled to keep it easy
>Random insists on playing a mission
>okay what ever
>guy pulls out 4 crates of models
>sits down, starts running calculations
>Pulls out his phone and watches stratagy guides
>2 hours later, has the mathmatically perfect army
>still loses to tactical spam

>>95956965
>Word Bearers play with little boys

>>95957012
Well they are inspired by satanic talmudic jews so

>>95956956
What was the rules for Disintegrators in 2.0? What gun existed before? AP3?

>>95957030
Their rules for 2.0 were alright. Having a moritat with 2 disintegrator pistols was the sign of having huge balls.

>>95956824
Moritat, Moritime

>>95957058
I swear they were AP3 or was that the custodes version?

>>95957077
Yup

>>95957023
>There are Word Bearers below the spires of Nova Yorkus hive, I've heard them tunneling!

>>95957081
Kek

>>95957077
Space marine Disintegrators, combi-, and Disintegrator Pistol, were all S5 AP2 Gets Hot Instant Death
Custodes' version, "Adrasite" (spear, or combi- on a heavy bolter), was S5 AP3 Gets Hot Instant Death Armourbane. It was AP3 so the custodian could get an armour save if they rolled a gets hot

2.0 Disintegrators should be S5 AP2 Fleshbane Armourbane Gets Hot.

think 3 of these are too much for Ravenwing jetbikes? Maybe just the sgt.

>>95957100
They are no fun anymore without the ap2, instant death and risk of gets hot

>>95957081
>You could give Malcador 100 million credits to denounce the perfidy of the heretic, and even then he wouldn't guess what the Word Bearers are doing under Calth

>>95957126
NTA but Agreed, plus they were my gimmick in the local scene so now my armies are definitely less unique

>>95957138
They used to be super rare because so few had access, now a whole Veteran unit can take them but they suck now unless you shoot other Veterans. Makes them less special and supposedly rare.

>>95957138
Can we see your disintegrators? You were using them before they Got Hot lol

>>95956824
If there's 5 left and right (with a dream of 10 each) I'd bet destroyers get them as an option too. I hope regular HQs can now too, I have the plastic RT beakie that has one on his hip I'd like to use as anything but a Praetor.

>>95956896
I've never had a game that wasn't decided by 4, even close ones where we decimated each other and just shuffle around.

>>95951563
Square bases

>>95957155
If the 1-per-5 disintegrator turns out to be S5 AP2 like it should, then it would make sense that the disintegrator blasters marines get to spam is the neutered Temu version.
Meanwhile, the true AP2 ones are kept restricted to just a couple per squad and locked behind paperwork, and the better version Adrasite restricted to exclusive Custodian use.

>>95957156
Not that anon, but I was also using them before they were cool lol

>>95957163
I did have a reversal at Turn 5 though. The guy needed to score 10 VP and he did

>>95957183
:O I thought you were that nullifier anon. I had never seen Sealed terminator armour. And that necron-like vertebral column.
What are thoooose

>>95956842
>disintegrator pistols suck
>plasma pistols also suck
>All the volkite and bolt in the world is just gonna bounce off of artificer armor
Moritat bros it's never been so over

>>95957176
The blasters are one of the 1per5. The rifles are the AP3 junk. Combi will probably be AP3 as well. Gross.

>>95957176
no instant death no care desu

>>95957197
just get a inferno pistol feelsgoodbloodman.jpg

>>95957197
I hope artificer armor won't a purchasable option at all outside HQs. Shits just so mind numbing.

Volkite Serpenta is still good, no way they're surviving 24 shots.

>>95957203
The one thing I don't get is:
The Archaeotech pistol already is the S6 AP3 pistol. It was master crafted Rending 4, so it would make sense for it to be 2D.
So what are Disintegrator pistols going to do that they are an alternative to it? They were an alternative back when they were AP2 Instant Death

>>95957176
My expectation is still

>Pistol
8" FP1 S4 AP3 D2 Overload (1)
>Rifle
24" FP1 S4 AP3 D2 Overload (1)
>Blaster
18" FP2 S5 AP3 D2 Overload (1)
>Heavy
24" FP1 S7 AP3 D2 Overload (2), Heavy (AP)
>Twin Heavy (Sat Termies)
24" FP2 S7 AP2 D2 Overload (2)
>Cannon (Sat Dread)
24" FP2 S9 AP2 D3 Overload (2)

If there was any justice in this world HSS and vehicle sponsons would get Heavy Disintegrator options and the Contemptor would be allowed to take a twin Heavy Disintegrator but we know that's not happening lol

>>95957197
Maybe having critical hits can save moritats

>>95957224
>2–5 pts (and -2") gets you +1 Str, Deflagrate, and twice the number of shots over a bolt pistol
Volkite serpentas should be single shot to be honest

>>95957156
Painted one

>>95957234
Bolt pistols only exist to allow charges and be an option to be swapped.

>>95957229
What did Critical hits do? Though historically Moritats have been explicitly forbidden from rerolling shots

>>95957156
Also my Nulls in construction after the Legacy document came out

>>95957194
My headcanon is that these were a rejected prototype of cataphractii armor using rare exotics that did little to improve the actual armor, issued to the dusk raiders during the great crusade. Later on, it proved that those thought failed exotics actually helped with resisting esoteric warp based phenomenon, and the time-displaced dusk raiders de-mothballed them and used them to repel word bearers and daemonic incursions

>>95957245
I love that guys bayonet above everything
>>95957255
They look cool. Wielding a gun almost as tall of themselves. Truly a terminator's weapon

>>95957250
On an X+ to hit auto wound and do +1D

>>95957248
You exist as an option to be swapped

>>95957250
Also rerolls of any kind are gone. Everything is a modifier or bonus.

>>95957250
If you BS is over 5 then you'll get a critical hit on a certain roll instead of being allowed to reroll the shot.
Moritats probably won't have BS6 but their chain fire rule might change.

>>95957268
Thanks Anon!

>>95957234
Much as I love deflagrate's fluff, it's not the strongest aspect of Volkite.

>>95957163
>I've never had a game that wasn't decided by 4
Ik but i still want to play more even if I've basically lost, like i want to see how many enemies i can take with me or if i can kill a character, this is a narative first game and it just ending is very dull

>>95957351
You could just keep playing anyway, or use an old mission.

>>95956674
the two worst things ever to happen to warhammer were stand on pie-plate objectives and 4 turn games. They are the two things that make every match identical and boring and not anything like a real battle.

The two of them negate most all real war strategy, such as defeat-in-detail, defense-in-depth, force concentration, guarding chokepoints, fabian/parthian warfare (kiting), securing high ground, counter-offensives, encirclement, enfilades, maneuver-warfare, penetration (and rear attack), refusing-the-flank, etc.

Most all warfare more simple than "move everything within shooting/stabbing range while swarming the pie-plate-objectives" is simply irrelevant with 4 turn games. There's not enough time to do a shred of real maneuver warfare as the game always ends before a space marine can travel any significant distance, and using any part of the battlefield other than near the pie plate objectives becomes pointless, making the small boards feel even smaller.

Sometimes it took 3 or 4 turns for a major redeployment during a 6-turn game, but that left a few turns to reap the rewards. Now, it ends before there's any reward and you're simply never allowed to focus on one flank as the other flank always has magical objective circles that need to be touched.

It's fine for casual 50 IQ beerhammer for the first 3 or 4 games, as you're already just learning your army so you don't need any depth to the game, but it really hampers the replayability for long-term players.

>>95957460
Then make your own scenarios. Simple as.

>>95957479
Every criticism in the universe can be countered with "Do it your own way elsewhere."
You're not adding anything to the conversation, you're not actually defending or explaining GW's decisions, you're not helping anyone or providing any constructive feedback in the slightest.

>>95957460
>defeat-in-detail, defense-in-depth, guarding chokepoints, fabian/parthian warfare (kiting), securing high ground, counter-offensives, encirclement, enfilades, maneuver-warfare, penetration (and rear attack), refusing-the-flank, etc.
None of these have existed since 5th edition LOS and terrain changes, or ever because they don't have a place when you're talking about armies of usual equivalent size

>>95957460
Holy fuck just go play Epic or titanicus the battle sizes are not big enough for this shit it's not a 10mm historical

>>95957270
Huh, so high bs favors high RoF weak weapons. Volkite seems like a proper death ray with high BS

Why would you ever equip an entire squad with the same weapon? Is GW retarded or something? No IRL military would ever do this, you'd at least see variants of the same weapons designed around different roles within the same squad, like an automatic rifleman variant, marksman variant etc

>>95957491
Not everything needs to be fixed. GW isn't going to listen to anything 30k so feedback is irrelevant. >>95957479 is right; 2.0 thrived under house rules and I expect 3.0 to have some as well.

>>95957539
Even with high BS, it'll still splash off armour for the most part. A D1 hit being saved isn't that different to a D2 hit being saved.
It will help, but not necessarily more than on a Lascannon or Meltagun

>>95957460
Give me a full mission scenario for any one of those at 3k points on a 6x4 table.

>>95957561
>is GW retarded or something?

Yes.

>>95957561
>No IRL military would ever do this
A lot of them did, way back when. Spearmen, your roman centurions, archers. They'd be in their own formations.
and Warhammer does nothing if not harken back to older forms of war.

>>95957561
Chainswords make no sense in a setting where disintegrator weapons also exist.

Warhammer isn't real life you know. It operates on rule of cool: if somebody think it sounds cool, it exists in the setting.

>>95957570
My 20 man tactical squad killed 3 terminators with Overwatch last game. Having a 2+ armour save doesn't mean something is invulnerable to volume of fire.

>>95957561
IRL weapons actually kill the enemy when they hit. You don't roll a d6 to wound and another d6 for their save
1 flamer sets anything you need on fire
1 heavy machine gun suppresses the enemy every time
1 grenade launcher clears a whole room through a window

>>95957627
It's not invulnerable, but a 1-in-6 chance to up the damage on an attack that will only go through 1-in-6 times isn't a huge buff, compared to a 1-in-6 chance to buff a hit that goes through 1-in-2 times.

>>95957635
Just jumping in to say that some editions had that.

>>95957652
Is this fucking 2e?

>>95957635
That's how it's written about in the novels, too. In Know No Fear, for instance, marines die from single bolt rounds to the chest, even in full power armor. And that's a damn good novel.

>>95957663
Of course.

>>95957561
Well, non-veteran squads are supposed to operate alongside one another at all times, especially support squads with more specialized weapons than boltguns. So with flamer support squads for instance, you'd have your regular tactical squad suppressing the enemy while the tactical support squad flanks around to burn them, while the heavy support squad guys with missile launchers blow any vehicles and provide additional supporting firepower against infantry

>>95957561
Yeah Guilliman fixed that actually in his book with mixed arms and small combat squads for flexibility

>>95955476
There's a few asthetic options in the trim but otherwise no, they're the same.

>>95957561
It's called formations anon...
That used to be a thing in the past
Not everything is your individualised modern mil bullshit

>>95957491
Cry baby bitch. Don’t like the rules make your own. You’re a faggot as well I see. Simple as.

>>95957839
You just did what he siad you were doing

>>95957860
Don’t care. If people want to bitch about the rules that some corpo pumps out then they can make their own or fix them. I don’t really fucking care. GW won’t listen to you. Do what makes you happy. Simple as.

>>95957871
But what if not being happy makes me happy?

>>95957561
They learned from the best.

>>95957719
Which he discarded with the new primaris marines going back to HH doctrine

>>95957930
Everything from Gathering Storm onwards is not canon.

>>95957941
Except it gets directly referenced and foreshadowed in HH novels published after 2017...so....

Is Legions Imperialis dead already?

>>95957561
actually in todays warfare militaries are returning to uniform armaments across squads, really it only happened after WW2 to supplement the rate of fire of rifle armed squads but that isn't necessary anymore and specialisation isn't required in the post-drone world. For marines the bolter is sufficient for just about every task and if it isn't, it probably warrants a squad armed with special weapons.

>kitbashing an Exodus/Vigilator/Centurion
>the only helms I have with bionic eyes are eaither too big (CSM vehicle gunner) or mk7 (SM tank crew and a random DA upgrade head)
This sucks

>>95957975
Legions also operated in such scale that several units operating together was more feasible. I'm sure in practice a TSS would probably spread around tacticals and operate more as part of their units, rather than each squad being completely separate. When the shit hits the fan, you're all in it together, no matter which squad you belong to.

>>95957871
well, if you don't like people complaining about HH rules in hhg, why not make your own general where people can't complain?

>>95957975
Going to go into more detail on this:

So in addition to what this anon is saying, real life militaries also have dedicated weapons squads such as machine gun and AT squads contained in dedicated weapons companies or weapon platoons. These squads augment regular line infantry companies. These squads usually consist of a number of teams: a Gunner who carries the weapon, and a gun team leader or loader or what have you who carries additional ammo for that weapon alongside the standard rifle.

With astartes, they don't need gun crews to operate their man-portable heavy weapons, even their missile launchers are magazine-fed. So they can just shove five to ten guys with missile launchers in a squad and tell them to go ham. Because they're space marines.

Granted, most standard line squads of today will also have organic AT capabilities in the form of a guy carrying an AT weapon in addition to his rifle, but tactical squad sergeants can carry meltabombs, and krak grenades are standard, so it checks out.

>>95957946
Threadly reminder that BL isn't canon.

>>95957890
Then you’ll die bitter. Simple as.
>>95958012
Never said I liked it didn’t like it. I offered alternatives. Simple as.

>>95958020
>Granted, most standard line squads of today will also have organic AT capabilities

The only ones in warhammer with organic AT capabilities are Tyranids. Everyone else is using inorganic AT.
:^)

>>95957966
>Question implies that it has been alive at some point
Lol. Lmao, even.

>>95958045
What does it count if a brain is operating the gun?
(Imagine I inserted a picture of the skull on a castellax darkfire lance here, I can't find any clear pictures of it online and I'm not home to take a picture of my own lol)

>>95958045
What about bomb squigs?

Which legion is closest to the Mexican marines?

>>95958007
Use the plastic mk4 bionic eye

>>95958116
Those are just spicy pets.

>>95958139
WE were full of mutts, WE are the mutt legion

>>95958139
>Legion Armistos, colorized c.m32

>>95957930
Yeah Primaris wank is not real LOL

>>95957460
trying to make warhammer realistic is kinda dumb and is for fat retards who get pegged by their Italian wife.

>>95958139
Imperial Fists, because Crimson Fists end up becoming the hispanic/latin chapter of space marines in 40k

>>95958139
Probably Fists, because that's where Crimson Fists come from.

>>95956698
>>95956928
didnt he write the salamander books

>>95958169
>>95958170
Holy shit. The 1st ed poster boys are MEXICAN??? ARE THEY TRYING TO CLIMB OVER THE BORDER TO ULTRAMAR???

>>95958181
yes. Alexis Polux got caught trying to cross the border into Ultramar by the ultramarines in an attempt to expand Dorn's meth business to Macragge. Guilliman would have had him deported, but then the shitskins (word bearers) attacked.

>>95958181
>>95958191
Fists aren't sending their best.

>>95958191
>word bearers are the most evil traitor legion
>they're also brown and middle-eastern coded

What did GW mean by this??

>>95957502
I've never understood high ground. Be up there and everyone can see and shoot you

>>95957563
Everything needs to be fixed. But you also mentioned house rules yeee

>>95957622
>Chainswords make no sense in a setting where disintegrator weapons also exist
:(
I like Warhammer specifically because armour is so advanced it makes melee relevant. Just like old medieval up to early gun warfare.

>>95958360
Most people cheat and give themselves an indestructible 5++ ruin cover save for being on top of a building even if the model is completely unobscured but no don't be silly of course the same doesn't apply outwards, no cover for you thanks to my elevated position

>>95957975
Wait, don't squads have the heavy weapon guy? Like the guy with a machinegun, or with a missile launcher

>>95958164
Bro is using the mk4 bionic eye

>>95958261
That's just ADB's brownoid fetish.
GW have always had them as paler.

>>95958406
>I've been a good boy. I demand my Serena Williams orkess sex slave
I really don't know how he managed to not get cancelled lmao

>>95958415
He was for a while, people just forgot because he went low and stopped feeding the Twitter beast

>>95958424
Huh, then he's smarter than I gave him credit for.

>>95958368
House rules aren't truly a fix though. The books aren't getting republished with common house rules. Not everyone is going to use them. House rules are a work around.

>>95958406
Colchis being modern day Georgia we are talking caucasians in appearance, but they probably only used the name to invoke a pagan superstitious culture.

>>95958023
The parts of BL that I like are canon.

remember how apothecaries are always out of stock
it was me barry

>>95958560
>Clearly a RG character that was repurposed as am apothecary via CAD copy paste
Strike Captain Maun? Is that you?

>>95958560
>3.0 allies can just take Exodus anytime
Oh no...

>>95958169
>>95958170
>hispanic/latin chapter has to be mechicano
i fucking hate the brits so fucking much.

>>95958360
anakin please

>>95958647
Nothing implies they're Mexican. It's a meme.

>>95958647
They all come over the same border.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkwHtJbfCks

I sure hope nothing has a gay reroll saves vs templates rule this time. Not being able to kill terminators with 10 heavy flamers was gay as hell.

>>95958647
do americans just not know spain is still a thing

>>95958647
The Orks that attacked Rynn's World are your sudaca reps
Biel-Tan is Argentina

>>95958709
Hasn't been a thing since the Spanish American War

REMEMBER THE MAINE!

>>95958708
With even Hatred no longer granting re-rolls I doubt re-rolling armour saves is still in.
If only leaker anon had decided to stop being a cunt and posted the unit (sub) types pages

>>95958708
Heavy is probably -1RS for blasts and templates.

>>95949425

I think this is meant to be bait but I actually agree with it. Players demanding coddling and rubberbanding mechanics was super toxic in Infinity and is here as well.

>>95949728

The problem is they want to create a system that punishes people for trying to win the game too hard. Which always backfires. You will probably be able to make lists that score 4 points over your opponent round 1 and then immediately die, allowing you to force wins when you shouldn't.

>>95958778
>You will probably be able to make lists that score 4 points over your opponent round 1 and then immediately die
You'd have to take units that are capable of dying themselves, like overload, becuase otherwise your opponent just doesn't kill you. If you rolled up with a plasma TSS and 2600 points left empty then no one is going to play you.

>>95955008

That's how it should be. Do mechanicum ever beat Astartes in the books? No. Mechanicum armies should not be getting wins against Astartes armies if the points are even. Astartes are the center of the setting, they should only be losing to Custodes or other Astartes.

>>95956726

No, Legions Imperialis lasts 5 rounds in general.

>>95958791
There will be cheese lists like in every edition, but sensible people will refuse to play against those. The community usually self-regulates things quite well for HH, like the cap on phospex mortars in HH 1.0 and the dreadnought limit in HH 2.0

>>95958791

>If you rolled up with a plasma TSS and 2600 points left empty then no one is going to play you.

Sounds like poor sportsmanship to refuse that game when GW specifically wrote the rules to allow it.

Would it be stupid to start making a Militia army? Do you think it'll be culled/severely reduced in 3.0?

>>95958825
Malicious compliance /bad faith does not fly in the real world. You can tip your fedora akshully and make that claim but you would end up sulking in the back without an opponent.

>>95958839
I would suggest waiting, but with militia being part of the Overseer's rules I'm hopeful

>>95958839
No and no. This isn't 40k. I just wouldn't expect it day 1. Would be easy to port though, copy leadership value for mental stats. Up tech priests INT, etc. copy precedent from solar aux, but slightly worse.

>>95958839
Well clearly you should just buy models you like and not care if you can play with them or not.

>>95958164
Any /k/ommandos know exactly what that NVG setup is?

>>95958087
Those have synthetic bioplastic brains, they aren't servitors.

>>95958872
How do we know all the Consul types will still be there ?

>>95958872
Overseer could just be for Solar Aux in 3.0

>>95958839
Who knows. I'll still do it.

Working on my first vehicle kitbash.

Was 3d printing a Sicaran Arcus and the top of the chassis fell in on itself and I didn't want to waste it.

I took a bunch of brass piping, surgical tubing, and plasticard.

I'm pretty happy with how it's turning out, though obviously I have a lot of sanding to do.

>>95959077
looks like something a techmarine cooked up out of some wreckage to absolutely blast the unlucky fucker to try pushing into his position in the final days of isstvan 3

>>95959077
Yeah that's pretty good.

Are dragon-head backpacks too much for Heresy-era Alphas?

>>95959108
That's awesome because my lore for it is that a techmarine strapped a minotaur cannon to a Sicaran and juiced it up for direct fire. I'm happy that's the vibe it gives off.
Once it's cleaned up I'm planning on putting some chains on it to emphasize how jury rigged it is

>>95959116
No, but M37 pattern backpacks should be. Then again, FW used the old CSM packs as Anvillus packs and they have the same M37 style clean look to them, so go figure.

>>95958800
Kiss my shiny metal ass.

>>95959116
only on inductii
>yeah bro you did really well as a neophyte here man this ones on us, Hydra Dominatus and shit bro for real make Alpharius proud
>>95959129
link some chains up to two terminators pulling it like a late feudal cannon

Thoughts on picrel for Volkite? I'm going to paint it alpha Legion so I wanted something to contrast with the blue and I really liked the superheated metal look

>>95959162
pure sex

>>95959162
Yep, I'm gonna choom.

>>95959133
>Anvilus was the main supplier of material to the Blood Angels through the Great Crusade
>Blood Angels are never seen using Anvilus-pattern equipment
Fucked up.

>>95959116
Fuck no. Might steal that idea.

>>95959196
All those blood angels died or went traitor, obviously

>>95959167
>>95959174
Sick I'll keep it then. I needed some choom to accompany my Fellblade

>>95959220
fucking hell thats grand

>>95959129
>to emphasize how jury rigged it is
For some reason I got the image in my head of a busted enemy Contemptor torso chained to the back of the tank with cables pulled from the power plant to power the thing. Maybe some lascannon power packs hooked in series for extra battery capacity.

>>95959116
I've literally the old and current sorcerer backpacks on mine. Though I keep those confined to characters.

>>95959248
Least sus XXth Legionary

>>95959212
What about the Anvilus industrial enclave located on Baal? Did it just not produce Anvilus gear for some reason?

>>95959267
Nah they produced boots

>>95959235
I'm keeping this idea for my falchion...
Imagine a loyalist dread crucified ove the engine, pipes and power cables routed straight to the cannon.
Hell yeah

>>95949413 (OP)
>TQ
I love power swords. You can't beat a classic.

>>95959306
I don't know anon a power ploughshare sounds pretty sweet to me

>>95959196
There could be a story there. Like, Baal was under siege through the whole HH. The traitors had control of the void. You could make up that arms shipments that tried to run the blockade were scuttled. Or maybe when civil war broke out on Anvillus proper, its off-world enclaves and delegations predominantly pledged to the traitor cause.

>>95952852
>>95955226
Something like this?

>>95957460
I'm in the same boat.

I enjoy things that make the game more immersive and less 'gamey'.

Standing in the video game capture circle and winning because one unit has higher capture aura or whatever is very abstract and gay.

Similarly, forced short games encourages the players to just dogpile the objectives and abandon any positioning outside of that.
Some of the very best games I've ever played are the ones where the winner was only decided in turn 5-6. Also these tend to be the quickest turns since most shit is already dead/locked in combat/etc.

Most of these changes seem to just be going closer to modern 40k, which is indicative of the new players they want to attract. Saying 'just homebrew it away' is also a shitty answer since that means just commiting to only ever playing with a small group of friends.

>>95959263
He's a Delegatus, so he's just a douche instead of sus.

>>95959077
It looks good, Anon, but fuck's sake can someone convert that cool command-sicaran before my poor-drunk ass spends a bucket of dosh to do it?

>>95949626
Uhhhh. Macca from the outer circle said the bigger hammer is woke.

>>95959476
If GW weren't such creatively bankrupt PUSSIES they would produice a n image like this for the new terminators

>>95959859
>>95959859
>>95959859

>>95959162
stealking this look for my Night Lords Cunt in Cars

>>95954853
There are stl files online with chests that look like that.