>Previous thread:
>>95904716

>What is /awg/?
A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.
The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to more specific games.
This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre, let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.

>Examples of games that qualify.
A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Batman Miniature Game, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings,
Deadzone, Dropfleet and Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate, Frostgrave, Gaslands, Judge Dredd, HeroClix,
Kings of War, Maelstrom's Edge, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Masters of the Universe: Battleground, Moonstone,
Oathmark, OnePageRules, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam, Stargrave, Sludge, Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenotactics...
...and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.

>Examples of companies providing rules for alternative wargames.
Atomic Mass Games, Black Site Studios, CMON, Mantic, OnePageRules,
Osprey, Para Bellum, TTCombat, Wargames Atlantic, Warlord Games...
...and many other publishers.

>Places to get minis; Updates to the minis list are welcome.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2DbNJ2mYAUxh5P9Pq9NZqS5tXHGn0i2JhZchEwbA2I/edit
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/373197.page

>Novice Troves, meant to serve as a sampler of available systems. Check out the Share Thread for up-to-date troves.
https://pastebin.com/MjtsC8AX
https://mega.nz/#F!zSYW0I4a!vXh8-UPi_tWXpJES_-p4zg


>TQ
What was your favourite project of the first half of this year?

>>>95939340
Oathmark Anon. Are you specifically trying to keep it a low fantasy kingdom? Monsters and Monster Infantry are very, very good in the game. Also for archers it is usually better to run them in groups of 5 as supporting units behind your infantry (using the fire over special rule).

Also this excel army builder is better than the one designed by Osprey: https://www.scribd.com/document/601751157/Oathmark-Kingdom-and-Army-Builder-XSLX-V3-0

>>95950174 (OP)

>TQ

I enjoyed making this masking tape barding as a hobbying project, I think I'll try to use the same technique with other models in the future.

>>95951640

And here's how it looked after painting.

This is a neat mini.

>TQ
My first attempts at using greenstuff to alter minis.
I am new to the hobby so it's hard to pick a favorite, it's like a new drug.

Also someone posted Alternative Armies sale in prev thread so I looked and found some cool sci-fi lizards called Ikwen at 15mm scale and I want to grab a bunch but I need to stop myself from starting too many things.

>>95951659
If you say so.

>>95951659
I don't quite get how there are another 5-6 months worth of releases for Cephalyx, given how little is left to port to MMF. It's like just the legacy casters and a handful of solos left at this point, even if they are also doing new stuff like the 50mm drudge gun platform they announced yesterday.

>>95951659
I always liked the Cephalyx. Very tempting

>>95952997
It'll probably just be a model a month at this point, yeah. At least it's pigs next.

Trying out Sorcerer Kings in Conquest. Trying to make a pure fire court list to go ham with Magic.

>>95950174 (OP)
>TQ
My palisade walls. They came out very nice.

>>95951652
Nice. Those turned out sick.
>>95952287
I really need to git gud with greenstuff. The most i can do with it is to fill in gaps.

>>95950174 (OP)
>What was your favourite project of the first half of this year?
Probably these modular tiles.
But that might change of I finish up the sculpt I've been messing with before the end of the month.
>>95953530
>>95951652
Sick

SIPAHI CAVALRY FINALLY WGA

Good God, malifaux has some cool miniatures but no one plays it where I live and I live in the capital of my country.

>>95955246
Same here. It has a pretty active online community though.

>>95923963
>I wish someone made decent hard plastic shipping containers
how about metal ones for about threee fiddy?

>https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005009122104545.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.6.6b5dfMAefMAe3E&algo_pvid=1ab4411d-ad0a-428d-b5ba-463727161bb2&algo_exp_id=1ab4411d-ad0a-428d-b5ba-463727161bb2-5&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22order%22%3A%2226%22%2C%22eval%22%3A%221%22%7D&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%217.72%213.86%21%21%2155.03%2127.52%21%402103985c17509216457943186e99e7%2112000047991711112%21sea%21CZ%21181953056%21X&curPageLogUid=7m7A0jewpCyI&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A

>>95955417
They are fairly small with their 5cm x 11cm footprint. Its rather big boxes next to 28mm miniatures, but still quite good stuff. I might get some to try how they look, once re-painted and weathered a bit.

>>95951652
nice

I just had a thought. Why not play skirmish games like Mordheim or rangers of shadow deep with chess pieces? There is enough veriety to display various troop types, and a clear distinction in factions.

>>95955921
You can if you want lad.

But for a lot of us, a large part of the appeal is the miniatures themselves. They're kind of the point in why it's miniature wargaming.

>>95955921
>>95955996
When I was a young un I enjoyed the wargame part the most. With standees, bits of paper, literally drawing circles with arrows, and unpainted minis. I tried painting, even poorly painted an Empire army but I never went further than base colors.

These days I spend at least 90% of my hobby time building, painting, and watching videos about painting. I'm improving a lot as time goes on but still getting there. There's something so relaxing about painting, and looking at my creations even when they're not perfect just feels nice. It's fun to come up with color schemes, watch videos about different layering techniques, people's favorite metallics etc.

You can play the games with anything but most of the fun for me is the actual modelling and painting. I prefer not to look at the painting like a chore I have to do to get to the fun part. It takes too long to be worth it if you do.

>>95955996
>>95956235
I think I brought it up because im traveling rn, and I cant really justify bringing space intensive and delicate miniatures. while chess, especially those travel versions, are much more convenient to put in a bag.

Today the new Fireforge Kickstarter went live. Its for a box of Sohei Monks.

>The Warrior Monks box will allow you to build 24 models with these combinations:
- up to 18 models with yumi (bows)
- up to 18 models with teppo (guns)
- up to 18 models with naginata
Parts are compatible with all the models by the Samurai Wars range, in this way you will be able to mix them together if you want.

But again, they (maybe for logistical reasons) do not offer a small pledge to get a single box.
So again, like with the Samurai, i will wait for the release.

>>95956271
Standees would work better. They take up even less room and you can print whatever art you want or some places sell them. There are guides on youtube if you need.

>>95950174 (OP)
TQ Teaching the author of OP's photo to play Turnip28

>>95956366
Oh cool. When did that happen? I know Turnipcon 6 wasn't that long ago.

>>95956332
Nice. Would be awesome if they did Joseon Koreans

>>95956385
On a visit to Zagreb for their annual painting competition/exhibit in February. Great folk there.

>>95956332
Great I love monks.

Burrows & B's 2nd ed rulebook up anywhere lads?

>>95956422
Awesome as fuck. I'm envious.

Dove back into Bolt Action and as collateral damage picked up this Hornet walker for K47. I didn't like the snub nose HMGs, so i gave it longer barrels, and it just ripped the barrel off a Panther's turret. Going to paint it in Caunter camo to go with my British 8th Army. Hope the new k47 rules are good

I am impatiently waiting for Alternative Armies to change their freebie mini of the month. I want to place a small order but I dont really dig the archivist.

>>95956605
He's cute. I'm waiting to see what the quality is like on their swap to resin with the model line.

>>95955921
I was running an En Garde! game more like an rpg with some people and using chess pieces and a variety of npc illustration playing cards for visual reference. Each character was an index card and a playing card. Worked well for the vibe. Main difficulty was the chess pieces had magnetic bases which made them annoying to place in close proximity until I put a metal sheet under the map.

In previous thread I was asking other /awg/ regulars who are parents if they got their kids to wargaming and what games did they start with.
I speculated that hobgoblin could be a good starting game, as it has simple and consistent to-hit tables, streamlined unit profiles, no individual model removal and units are only removed at end of turn so that every unit gets to do something during a game. Other good intro games I think would OPR and merseyverse games.

>>95956916
It will 100% depend on the children. For some, a colourful game like Arcadia Quest might be a better introduction.

>>95956916
If you scratch out schizo measuraments Hordes of the Things should be nice for the kiddies.

>>95956916
Heroscape maybe? If you're like me and have a massive stockpile of the old stuff kicking around.
It's got a rules-lite variant that was what got me into wargaming as a kid.

>>95958057
Heroscape is what got me into wargaming as a kid too. I have every kit every produced still in a box in my garage

>>95950174 (OP)
Is that World War II new Christianity and a bunch of other religious games on this General also I was watching some things about Kings of war And I hear goblins in that world have females is there any difference between the Goblins males and females Behavior or actions or positions of power?

>>95956916
I got started with Sopwith (because I love planes), Basic D&D, and Squad Leader (because I'm autistic). Spent a good chunk of time as a kid hacking together my own wargames with lego men and standees. Even wrote a naval wargame you fight entirely with pocket change using clusters of D2s.
Mine's still a toddler but I suspect the avenue's gonna be Gaslands because he's *really* into cars.

>>95958514
>Is that World War II new Christianity and a bunch of other religious games on this General
My dude, are you okay? Can you smell toast?

>>95958583
>My dude, are you okay? Can you smell toast?

Yes I am I'm talking about this game you should be able to tell which game it is just by looking at the YouTube before golden video you don't have to watch it but I'm asking if this generals where you talk about it on this board.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdUAN0GtVDo

>>95958601
I think it has its own general.
>Trench crusade.
EWWW.

>>95958601
Are you attempts to use text to speech? I cannot comprehend why you'd cram 3 sentences into one with no punctuation otherwise.

>>95958701
I think he's either a child, or English is like his fifth or sixth language.

>>95958601
Yes, there's a Trench Crusade general on the board.
Also
>WW 1, not 2
wrong order of adjectives and mixed plurals: Should be something like
>the new WWI game with "Christianity" and a bunch of other religions mixed into it
As written, it looks like you're asking if games about New Christianity, other religious games, and WWII are in here.

>>95956916
Depends on the age, necromolds are neat

>>95956916
HeroQuest. Board games that are wargames are such a convenient bridge to more complex concepts, and require less adult intervention. The adult in this case plays the Evil Wizard.
We have also played Ritual 28 (no combat, but dice rolls, measuring, and movement), Monster Maker (Dungeon Diving card game), and Space Hulk. Kids are from 5 to 11 and the hardest thing so far is keeping focus between turns, not rules or complexity.
Bangarang in the Gutterlands is next, because it has an arts and crafts aspect. Tonks and Dungeon Tonks too. Probably a lot of those rules lite indie wargames would be pretty good.

>>95956916
Buy those $5 bags of toy army men from the dollar store in two colors, green and tan. Each side takes turns setting up their men an appropriate distance from each other. Take a single small rock or marble, take turns throwing it at the other players army. The first player to have all his soldiers knocked down loses.

This was my brother and I's first wargame, we made it up when we were 5 and 6. We're both still big wargamers to this day in our 30's. Unfortunately he's a big Warhammer consoomer and I mostly play historical games. I'd be interested in playing Warhammer again if he would go back to playing 4th like when we were young, but you know how 40kiddies are, refuses to play anything but the current edition and FAQ

The single greatest sprue I have ever seen.

>>95960566
I've had that box for like a decade before I finally got around to painting it a year or so ago. Animals are so inspiring to paint

>>95960623
Look damn cool. Do you just use them as terrain pieces or do you have missions where both sides are trying to capture the animals for objectives?

>>95960623
Right on. I wish I had known it existed prior to today. And it doesn't seem like Warlord stocks it anymore so I'm a bit down.
Perfect scatter terrain, fluffy objective markers, etc.

>>95960741
https://us.warlordgames.com/products/farmyard-animals
????

I printed a pretty nice metal slug and am going to paint it up. Found some STLs for a bunch of metal slug characters and some other vehicles. If I wanted to play a war game with them, what would be a good ruleset?

Could I do infinity and have the tanks etc be TAGs? Any suggestions?

>>95960730
I've mostly used it as terrain for thematic and immersive boards. I've used them in Mordheim where they are difficult terrain and they move around using a d6 and scatter dice

>>95960795
Wild, I just searched for that and only got results for the white metals versions. DB error? Who knows. I am no longer down.
Thanks.

>>95961028
Pretty decent value for how many animals you're getting. I was looking at farmyard animals on etsy and somebody was charging 20 dollarydoos for a single sheep. Outrageous.

>>95961188
People who said 3D printing was going to devalue miniatures were unfortunately not remotely correct.

>>95961188
Sadly true. 3D stl files cost as much as miniature used to, and miniatures cost even more than they used to. Clown world, all the britoids blame it on brexit or trump or some other Looney leftist excuse, but really they just wanted to price gouge more

>>95961257
Well, when I pirate the 20 dollar STL on telegram and then print 20 copies of it and sell them on for 5 bucks each, someone's work is sure getting devalued.
I assume most digital modelers are baking in the piracy to the cost of the STL. That and I can print a sculpt I actually bought as many times as I want. Also baked into the cost.
And with scans of old lead, I'm depriving ebay sellers of scalper money too.

>>95961768

I buy STLs, but I think scanning old and out of production models and making them to 3d-printable models is a public service.

>>95961768
I mean even that you're personally putting in the work for selling pirated prints for 5 bucks each isn't that massively devalued. I could already get reaper minis or those bulk chinese/russian ones for prices like that. 90% of the price of buying resin minis is that it's not worth making them for any less because it still takes time and requires a process to work through.

>>95961188
Use cotton wool balls it's cuter

https://youtu.be/IrLPylv0vwo?feature=shared

>>95961413
>Looney leftist excuse
Capitalism squeezes profit from you. This rightoid will still blame imaginary 'leftists'. KYS

>>95961911
I have very happy memories of playing catan with my friends. He was in community housing (as in paid for by the government) and had such goofy neighbours. We'd sit around, play catan, go down to the local pub and have a few. It's a shame he is now a she. We're not on speaking terms anymore.

>>95962296
>guy who talks about trannies duty zero prompting because it's all he thinks about

Where is the best place to get tropical trees? I want to do a few sandy bases with palm type trees that could be on a tropical beach/river bank or be collected together as a desert oasis.

>>95962345
>Where is the best place to get tropical trees?
...the tropics?

try aquarium supplies, you might find some that paint up well

>>95960566
The urge to make a game about cattle-stealing.

>>95962405
I'm almost sure I've seen that as a core mechanic in some /hwg/ Border Reiver game.

>>95962345
I know there are some insane deals on aliexpress, but aquarium stuff is pretty cheap too.

>>95962405
1) there are several already.
2) do it. The world needs more.

>>95956657
WEE!

>>95962100
>normie thinks "muh capitalism" is right wing
*Yawn*

>>95962876
C-c-cute!

>>95962884
Just ignore him he's being off topic. Culture wars are for faggots.

I can never get over how Conquest just wholesale stole Ermor for their wargame and nobody ever called them on it. I sometimes wonder if the Dominions guys even know.

>>95963262
Don't think they care, also lots of the Dominion 6 nations are generic enough than would be very hard to fill a copyright strike even if they cared. Undead Rome and lizard egyptians for example, are kindo f generic.

>>95963273
That's true, I can't imagine how you could ever C&D it. It just bugs me a little when people go on and on about how imaginative the Old Dominion is and internally I'm thinking "It's just Ermor, it's literally just Ermor, they even stole the backstory from Ermor".

>>95963289
Well, you know illwinter would have never made a mini line anyway, in that way even if you don't buy it, you have art for ermor! I want them to make some of the wierdest races, like the Agarthans and Abysians, than would be kino. Becuase I know they will never make my main faction, Pyrene.

>>95963307
Yeah, there is upside in getting models that actually work for that concept. It's just a weird contrarianism in me I guess. I have literally never played Pyrene I don't think.

>>95963316
Well, they aren't an easy one to exploit, tough you can do some funny stuff with sorginak and the basajaun are pure kino, but I just love cavern people with lots of giant, I can grug smash and even I lose, welp sending doom stacks of mufflons is kek worthy.

>>95955161
I'm impressed at their efforts in fleshing out niche historical armies.

>>95964415
Its nice that they do it, but it sucks that its such half-assed STL sets always.

>>95962345
Amazon sells big bags of them and they're perfectly adequate. Pretty sure every listing just comes from the one factory lol, just get whichever one with the listed sizes you need at the best price.

>>95964586
Beggars can't be choosers, I haven't seen any other Ming options in 28mm other than a mainland Chinese exclusive.

>>95964984
True enough. And i'm genuinely happy for the historical crowd that these files/minis exist.
But at the same time, i'm offended by releases like pic related.
How are 3 bodies, one "victim", 3 arms with knifes and some other poses and 2 backpacks supposed to be a proper command squad for any game?
And dont get me wrong, i totally understand that this "set" is supposed to be used together with the other raumjäger stuff, and i would not say anything if they would sell that set for like $5... but they do charge $12 for this. Its a joke, especially compared to other $12 command squads like these two for example:

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-napoleonic-infantry-female-command-475207 (not sci-fi, but gives a large amount of bodies, options like drums, banner, weapons, and yet.. would it have hurt to include a pair of arms with a rifle?)

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-desert-rats-command-537458 (also not a huge amount of individual parts, but at least some variety, with the banner and at least two weapons included instead of just knifes)

>>95965357
>But at the same time, i'm offended by releases like pic related.
Seems random whether or not a set is a good bang for one's buck. I suppose their pricing strategy is meant to maximize interest for their subscription based system.

>>95965428
>Seems random whether or not a set is a good bang for one's buck.
Absolutely. They have some really good sets, with 5-10 body poses, different helmet/hat-options, a variety of weapons and options in general. If such a set would fall into my interests, i'm willing to pay 15-20 for it, but for the same price they sometimes sell barebones stuff that consists of less than 20 unique files.

>to maximize interest for their subscription based system.

Probably. Its fairly pricy tho, and way too random for me to consider subscribing. I like to buy stuff i like here and there, preferably during sales, but some of their sets are simply not worth it. And its just weird how they decide how much a set should cost, because "files included" is clearly not a factor.

>>95950174 (OP)
are those mini 28mm?

>>95965737
Yeah.

>>95965737
No

>>95965737
Maybe

>>95965737
I don't know

>>95965737
Can you repeat the question?

>>95965737
Supposedly

>>95965737
srsly tho, yes, at least some of them are super old GW sculpts

>>95956332
Fuck it, I’m backing the 10 boxes pledge. I want this guys so succeed. That should be more than plenty for a Pike n Shotte sohei army I want to build

>>95960831
>Could I do infinity and have the tanks etc be TAGs?
Yes. Or picrel/drones in general, depending on the size.

>>95956916
Not a parent, but i adore my sisters 4yo who comes over sometimes when her mother is working later then expected.

She likes bashing my models together, especially ones that are a bigger project. And i think it's important that she's allowed to play with them, ofc she breaks them sometimes, but i can fix them so it's fine. She just likes "battling" these freaks i've sculpted against eachother in the most simplest way she can understand. Sometimes she even stares at them to understand what's going on with the model itself before bashing against the one i'm walking with, and that's everything.
Last time she was awed by the mouth eye and saw it's "bashing capacity". I build my shit quite robust, but still get a bit scared how she handles them and try to adjust my own bashing accordingly
It may not be at the lvl you're searching for, but imo it's an important step for them to play around

>>95966989
She'll be into vore and that will be 100% your fault. Or worse, a tyranid player.

>>95956916
I did the reverse. I got my father to play games with me.
I highly recommend doing something like this with your own father's anons. They won't be there forever.

>>95967144
lol i don't think so, that would be weird. Hopefully just encouraged to be creative

>>95967225
Wish my Dad would play games of any sort with me. Cards or return to chess and checkers or wargaming. Instead he just watches a mix of CNN and FOX News and anything I do is never enough for him.

>>95967225
>They won't be there forever.
Don't wanna blogpost, but thanks, I think I'll try to.

>>95960831
>I printed a pretty nice metal slug and am going to paint it up. Found some STLs for a bunch of metal slug characters and some other vehicles. If I wanted to play a war game with them, what would be a good ruleset?
There are quite a few basic-bitch platoon-level wargames that you can write up stats for. SF and hypermodern both. In Spectre or Asymmetric Warfare you could do it up as a light IFV with an MG and howitzer, for example. It's going to be extremely powerful until a drone strike or ATGM shows up, but ain't that always the way?
By the same token you could stat it up in WarEngine, or Renegade Scout, or any of the half-dozen early 40k heartbreakers, as some kind of Walker/slow tread vee. Mechanically it might as well be a Dreadnought. Hell, a couple of the vehicles in 1e Warzone are effectively just Metal Slugs, and the big Bauhaus tank is an MBT-sized one. For more skirmishy games you're probably best-off toning it down a little and using the stats for whatever mid to heavy robot equivalent are in the game. TNT's got big assault droids that can take heavy weapons, that sort of thing.

>infinity
Other than Ariadna, the Metal Slug people are way undergunned. Even in it they'll look low on gear, and the silly shit like the camels with MGs is going to be even more out of place.

LATEST WARGAMES ATLANTIC WOKESHIT JUST DROPPED!!!!

WE WUZ REVO-LOO-SHUNARIES N SHIIIET

>>95968549
Obvious bait is bait

>>95968549
You are almost two weeks late. Nobody cared back then, nobody cares now. Just paint your minis white. You have minis, right anon?

>>95968848
>>95968918
He posted the same thing in /hwg/ >>95968512

Same filename, too. How sad.

>>95968549
This doesn't bother me. Not historically accurate but not historically improbable.

>>95968956
>Not historically accurate
200k to 250k were enlisted into the American Militia, Anon.

>sad pathetic loser trying to become a resident shitposter
Why?

Anybody have advice for painting dark skin? Might make my next mini have black skin out of spite

>>95969233
Vallejo Negro should do the trick.

>>95969233
all human skin tones are various levels of desaturated orange. Burnt umber is a good base tone that's very similar to melanin, you can mess with it from there.

>>95968964
The British also had them fighting for them.

>>95969468
Yeah, but only like 19k to 20k. Absolute shambles of a recruitment campaign.

I hate having to use english to talk to othern nationalities, I wish we could use Latin without flection or something as a lingua franca, imagine being able to just ignore all the anglo shitty politics and shitflinging, I want to talk to my polish,japanese or german bros withtout that baggage.

>>95969233
The Reaper dark skin triad just goes on smooth.

>>95969588
>imagine being able to just ignore all
Do you not already do that? If you don't you should start.

>>95969651
I quite like reaper paints. They usually take a few thin coats but have a wonderful consistency and finish

>>95969735
>>95969651
Reaper's Mahogany and Chestnut are absolutely delightful paints. I miss the shit out of their HD yellow and red, too, those actually had decent coverage.

>>95965737
Yes, all the minis are 28mm scale. Gardensofhecate is the painter. Pic is the source of all the minis if you're interested in any of them

>>95969689
Can't even in this thread, you guys start squiling about shit every two threads.

>>95970121
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Suite yourself.

>>95956402
Would love to see plastic Korean minis, Perry's are decent though there are also the new WGA stls.

You know what we need more of ? minis of the same character mounted and dismounted. Or same character in different states, civilian and military etc.

>>95970412
Why would you want civilian for wargames.

>>95970435
All sorts of scenario play
>stand back mister president !

>>95970435
Why not, handy in skirmish game scenarios

Is Turnip28 still a wargame or did Trench Crusade totally steal its thunder and its turned into another basic bitch skirmish game? i only ever see artists posting 10 model warbands nowadays.

>>95970450
It was less about games and more about kitbashing for turnip28. Additionally with its niche setting it was bound to fizzle out into obscurity.

>>95970450
I'm over the 28. I just want a no politics zone drawn around my wargames.

>>95970465
>statement

Everybody says that until they make money. Personally I have no investment in being dragged into either the monoculture of perpetually upset people of either the "pro" or "anti" stripe. Just be a person and do your best.

>>95970525
Nnnoooooo muh binary tribalism 24/7 tho! If you aren't saying pop tarts are abelist or hot sauce has gone woke bigly how can i guage your character as a human being whos either One of Us or the dread Other???

>>95970465
huh? I always thought "28" stands for Blood&Honour.

>>95970465
Why they have to make it everything lame and gay, seriously, specially stuff than didn't have a politic strain in it, so exausting and its ever the same kind of people.
I HATE ANGLOS SO MUCH.

>>95967225

I play boardgames like Dominion or Rummikub, or skibbo for card games when my parents visit me.

>>95967225
I tried with games, video games (he was with a f1 game for some time) and anything, we conect with sports (he is a barça fan) and taking care of the little parcel of land we have, but no games.

>>95968964
Ridiculous. There weren't that many free black people in the whole of the colonies at that point.

>>95969735
Honestly my favorite paints I've come across.
If they did speed paints, I'd probably never buy from anyone else.
I still use paints from the starter set I bought more than a decade ago.

Anybody else finding you're spending all your time playing and basically never playing any games. The last game I played was over a month ago but I paint every weekend for at least a few hours. I keep dreaming of these big amazing games I'll play but then even when I have everything for it I just don't get around to playing it or organising anything with friends to do it. Maybe I just enjoy painting and daydreaming about games that probably won't be as much fun to actually play as I think.

>>95971162
>All your time painting
God I'm retarded.

>>95970450
>Is Turnip28 still a wargame
Yeah, Turnipcon VI was only a few months back iirc, and the next one is already planned. The game's maker is still working on the next expansion (The Shattered Lance) and has put out a few of the factions to use. They also just wrapped up a model and terrain building/painting contest, Life In Ruins, which is a tie-in to upcoming expansion.

>>95969588
>Latin without flection
absolutely barbaric

>>95971226
Not as barbarous as English, my good sir.

>>95970465

should have just stopped at the 5th line really.

>>95967225
I play some houserule light version of Sellswords & Spellslingers or What a Tanker with my boy once in a while. Trying to get my dad into more than scoffing it off or straight up mocking me as been really hard though. It's a thing when you grow old, buyers beware. I visited him yesterday with a brand new still shrinkwrapped box of Epic Hail Caesar troops yesterday because I picked it up on the way. For the very first time he showed some interest and expressed regrets it wasn't Gauls or Romans so... maybe I can play on his Asterix vibe before it's too late for new memories.

tl;dr: kids are going to play no matter what, focus on your elders.

>>95967225
I'll have to think of something to get my dad to play with me.
He's a StarTrek nerd and played the old fallout games back in the day. Maybe I'll check out some of the Modiphius games.

Has anyone played alien squad leader? It seems like it might be similar to epic or future war commander, but I can't find a great outline of the rules and I can't find it in the troves. I wanted to know if anyone had any thoughts or experiences with it, or possibly a download link.

>>95971162
I gave up playing games long ago, anon. I don't even much anymore, either. I just experience the hobby vicariously by lurking /wip/ and /awg/, and I am now starting to feel like it won't be long until I get out of the hobby entirely.

>>95971879
>don't even much anymore, either
>paint
I am retarded too

>>95971879
I'm trying solo gaming myself, I just can't stand flaky people and lots of retards than make the hobby.

>>95972126
>>95972126
Good luck, anon. Hopefully you have more luck than me, because I just found solo too boring to keep me interested. Unfortunately, I need those flaky retards if I even want to be motivated to play. If solo is my only option, I would rather play a video game.

>>95972211
ok so get the fuck out of here

>>95971722
An anon unearthed the original Fallout wargame that came with one of the original MS Dos boxed games. Might be esier to get into and more to the point than Modiphius offer.

>>95972249
Nah

>>95972384
Neat. I'll have to try and find it.

>>95972384
>that came with one of the original MS Dos boxed games
IIRC it was actually in Fallout Tactics, I know I couldn't find it in F1/2 myself.

>>95971162
>>95971879
>>95972126
>>95972211

You have my sympathies. I'm playing GW games for the time being, as the people at my local club are mostly into them. I'll keep asking if they're interested about /awg/s, but I've had no success so far. Solo playing just seems too sad for me to do. Hopefully I'll be able to play with my son in a few years as he grows up a bit more.

>>95972688
Dubs of Truth. Silly me because I did remember the whole discussion between the anon knowing it was definitely a thing and the other coming to the rescue. But I managed to scramble my eggs anyway.

>>95972954
How old is he? I let my boy replace the scatter dice in 40k 4th Edition Kill Team (the mini game about Last Chancers storming a HQ) as early as 3-4yo. Let him decide the next move or target of a squad member in the occasional game of Space Crusade too.

>>95973254

Five, will be six soon. We've played board games like yatzy, skibbo, Kimble and rummikub, but he isn't really literate yet. Can count quite well for his age and loses throwing dice in yatzy.

>>95973353
Yeah in my country they're not expected to start reading before 6, no big deal. Wargaming is all about numbers anyway so it's past time you give him a handful of spare minis and a cheap set of acrylic pens from the craft store. My boy did a bloody mess "painting" his, but it took him until 7yo to look at them and think "what was I even trying to do?". Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

No matter the ruleset you chose to go with don't be afraid to remove any extra crunch and meat. It's all about throwing dice and making some tough decisions.

>>95966989
Is that Sea Spires Anon? Have you seen the latest fluff stuff?

>>95972678
The files for it are all on BGG. Used to be able to download it directly from Interplay's website.
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/18251/fallout-warfare/files

>>95950174 (OP)
>struck down with basing autism and big battle megalomania

Ugh why am I like this bros, I never know my limits.

Realistic: I start painting the various /awg/ and /hwg/ I have been accumulating, about a platoon or two's worth for a few different settings for some kitchen table mat fun

My inner Napeloeon: so what if your gaming table is in the freezing garage and you know like one opponent, you should be cranking out 36 man battalions... one more box...one more batch of bases

Wnat is the normal cure to this internal dialogue? Starting some ridiculous scale for "mass battles"?

Anyone here following the sorta-reboot of Leviathan from FASA Games? I got to play it at Origins Game Fair last weekend, and the only thing keeping me from going all in are the painful post-tarriff prices. Nice hex grid naval maneuvering with a really satisfying power management mechanic.

Going to be getting into Deepwars soon, anyone have good mini recommendations? I was going to use my warmachine stuff because my cryx and brinebloods are painted with an underwater scheme and obviously the official models exist but I'm wondering if there's any stuff in plastic that would work or just what other neat designs exist that would fit in setting. It's kinda easy to find good underwater stuff but not as easy to find stuff with the same tech level(that isn't death gaurd proxies)

>>95975250
No but I like the look of those ships. Dated? Maybe a little but I like the style

>>95975250
Wait wasnt leviathans about steampunk sky ships? these are outright spaceships.

>>95975991
Two separate games. Leviathan by FASA is a space game, Leviathans from CGL is a steampunk skyship game.

Hornet medium walker for the British 8th Army

>>95976382
With infantry for scale

>>95974726
>Wnat is the normal cure to this internal dialogue? Starting some ridiculous scale for "mass battles"?
Volunteering to host tables at Salute/Origins/Dragoncon/GenCon/Westercon. Or beatings. Much the same outcome but after one of them you have more strangers telling you you did okay on the internet.

>>95975250
I hadn't, link? Been rooting around in the depths of Ral Partha's catalog all night.
>>95975422
Well, Ral Partha has a "steampunk war machine" in the Mage Knight section that actually looks a lot like a Warjack. Bioshock proxies would probably work too, and Reaper has an undead Shipwreck Golem and figurehead that might be a decent pair with the Cryx stuff depending on how you want to swing it.

>>95974726
I switched to 2mm for napoleonic or huge scale fantasy mass battles for a reason. Cheaper, easier to store, easier to paint, easier to transport, and we can play on a board smaller than a football pitch and still have room to maneuver.

>>95976646
>>95976396
I'm thinking both adding a smaller scale, probably 15mm and joining some more events are in order

>>95976382
>>95976386
Neato.

>>95977131
Here's the whole force. Though everything here is /hwg/ except the mech

>>95974726
>Wnat is the normal cure to this internal dialogue?
Hard mode: Fix your life so you don't depend on the dopamine spike from buying new toys.
Keeping lists of what you bought vs what you actually finished to keep yourself accountable helped me as well. Stuff gets out of hand quickly if you don't keep track of it.

>>95977144
It sure does, I have whaled before and I really don't want to again. I think everybody gets a little dopamine from minis but it's not quite the satisfaction of having painted a viable army. I have a fair bit of frostgrave and kings of war stuff to work on, and some stargrave, some horse and musket and dark ages stuff too. It feels like a lot of ground is covered.

>>95977177
>but it's not quite the satisfaction of having painted a viable army.
Very true. One huge benefit of keeping your minis on display is that it's very motivating to see what you've accomplished so far. Really helped my productivity once I stopped keeping everything in boxes out of sight.

>>95976382
are they STILL or AGAIN fighting in North Africa in 1947?
neat model btw

>>95977443
By 1947, the North Africa theater is quiet and has been for a few years, but Italy has turned into a deadlock, split between Royalist and Fascist Italians, so that's where my 8th Army forces are likely operating. They might've been sent to fight the Soviets in the middle east, though.

>>95973919
Yeah it's me. Haven't red any of the new stuff with the release of the lore book. Is it good?

What the fuck happened to Wyrd's sculptors?

>>95977514
I never noticed how faggy the old one's pose is, like "oh no, not in the balls!", he's even making a limp wrist.

>>95977514
He looks like he just spilled coffee all over his dick.

>>95964415
>>95964984
A friend of mine said he was getting tired of Samurai Armies vs Samurai Armies. He's planning double-dipping by using the new Grand Cathay army also as proxies for the Ming Expeditionary Force for the Imjin War and the Yuan Invasion Force for Kublai Khan's invasion of Japan for when he's not playing Warhammer the Old World. He still needs to either 3D print or find proxies for the ranged units though.

I've been lurking a couple of days after being a way for a couple of months, but it seems like the mesbg general that was sporadically around was killed off for good by the new edition/mediocre anime tie-in, so I figured I'd ask here.

Since GW currently offer the Dol Amroth models as Made to Order models I went back to my Fiefdoms project. I don't have any Pikemen and I missed those if they were available though MTO. So I was wondering if people had suggestions for alternative models.

>>95977713
If your friend plans on getting a Sky Lantern or two, you can proxy them as Ming War Wagons.

>>95977721

Medbury miniatures.

>>95977713
>Kyoushuneko Miniatures

This guy sculpted a range of Cathay proxies it seems

>>95977876
Got anything in 28mm native without having to rescale it?

>>95977514
What DID happen? The art direction is worse, the model posing is worse, the promotional images are worse.

>>95977845
Does he have some STL models? The metal ranges in the store don't look like anything Dol Amroth related. I like all the alternative LotR models he has and have seen his highlanders before, but it's kind of hard to keep track of what he actually sculpted because it's scattered between the shop, the patreon and whatnot and uses the legally distinct names.

>>95978109
https://www.myminifactory.com/users/Medbury%20Miniatures

>>95977542
Pretty much the default pose for Shiva as lord of the dance. Never been to a museum?
Right sculpt seems to be channeling some Mortal Kombat.

>>95955921
>>95956235
>>95956271
played rabgers of shadow deep with family a little while ago with these chess pieces abd cards representing houses.

It was a lot of fun! It was a bit easy to confuse pieces, but it definetly worked out for a mostly impromptu use-what-you-have kind of game!

And I REALLY liked running RoS. Its super quick and intuitive while also being really flexible AND tactical once you get a hang of it. first time running it for othersas the referee. DESU it had everything I need for a flat out rpg too, think I will use its rules again. The combination of the ranger phase allowing you to coordinate actions, successful attacks allowing you to push enemies/retreat and the bonuses for multiple units in combat makes it a really engaging skirmish system! The adition of skills also allow for a good bit of rpg style creativity. “can I lasso the zombie”, “collapse a house”, “throw a hand weapon”, etc. just make an appropriate skill check.

>>95977514
people kept whining about the models being too hard to build

>>95978193
Now that you mention it I see the resemblance, but it's like someone fed your photo to the AI and told it "made me a model like this except gay as fuck". It totally lacks the energy of the original. A great "soul vs soulless" candidate.

>>95978724
And I keep seething about the models getting simplified. I did most of the M3e range, I love assembling them and find it relaxing. At least the preassembled starter was glued well enough not to make me break it apart and reassemble it.

>>95976396
If you look up "Aetherstream: Leviathan" there's a fair bit of information on their Kickstarter page. The FASA Games website is pretty old fashioned and odd to navigate.
It amuses me how thorough this project is while still feeling like L. Ross Babcock is running it out of his basement.

>>95975250
Those are some cool ships.

>>95977466
They actual put in an underwater spire for the Famine part of the fluff.

>>95979175
Ey cool, i'll have to read it. It did feel like a fitting sub-theme for spires. Think they already hinted on that with some of the concept art. Fun that my own take on it is more believable in the world too

>>95978724
Even putting aside changes to poses to make things easier for assembly, the basic quality of the sculpts is also way down. Look at the fucking shoulders on that new model, the muscles just clip through each other and the collar like every limb was made by a different person and nobody even checked how they'd line up.

>>95979205
I believe it's a lost spire, since the lore is it discovered a rift into Famine's prison and unleashed Greed, a fragment of Famine. The whole part is very Lovecraft, with corrupted sea critters and influence from space leading a cult, since Famine's prison is in space. Their end goal is to kill Jormungandr, a dragon that sacrificed itself during the Primordial Wars to literally hold the world together.

There's also a bunch of Weaver Courts stuff, with each court being lead by an actual fae character, like Titania and Queen Mab.

>>95979908
Baller. I know Famine is waaay off in the future, but a space/water themed faction does sound cool. Didn't like a whole caste of exiles go there and never return? Rumored to join the forces of Famine. Think they've shown one model of it and it was very samurai, retainer inspired. Don't like that very much. But i've probably jumped on the Hel faction before then

>>95980091
I think the retainer one they showed was the Quiet, the soldier and worker castes that left. I have no idea if they are involved with Famine.

I know most of the new info was for the Weavers, Famine, the Han, Hell, Helheim, and the evil cancer faction.

>>95980196
Oh, and the Black Army.

>>95977713
>A friend of mine said he was getting tired of Samurai Armies vs Samurai Armies. He's planning double-dipping by using the new Grand Cathay army also as proxies for the Ming Expeditionary Force
Grand Cathay doesn't really look like Yuan or Ming era armors, they took the kitchen sink aproach when designing their range.

>>95977825
Nice paintjob, one thing to point out is the clothing worn by the war wargon crew is meant to be sleeveless.

>>95980312
Coloration would follow the five elements. They would look quite similar to the Perry's Choson garrison infantry, which in itself is derive from Ming customs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuxing_(Chinese_philosophy)

>>95980196
Ah, mb it was the quiet. But wtf is the evil cancer faction?

>>95980312
I love the Ming, Jurchen, Joseon and Samurai (Imjin war) fight:

>plucky little mountain farming Korea pulling it together
>the Ming being bros *strokes beard* hmmmmconcerning and Japan being cartoonishly villainous high culture cannibals as always
>cool armour and tech
>warrior monks getting involved
>Jurchens riding in for the lols to steal shit
>Korean weapons go against most European assumptions: a cannon that fires arrows, mounted halberdiers and troops carrying 2 hand weapons

https://youtu.be/uqAQn_cG2N8?feature=shared

Would post in /hwg/ but the usual /pol/tards are melting down over Africans in tricornes.

>>95980522
The Mastiga. Its only mentioned in lore snippets, but its an evil hive mind disease being spread by cultists and blood transfusions.

>>95980605
I do love the contrast between mainland East Asians vs Sengoku era Japanese, very different aesthetics.

>>95977514
It seems like Wyrd is doing well on game design whole shitting the bed on models and art.

Like in really loving some of the schemes, like getting rewarded for pushing models off buildings before killing them or getting points for getting your opponent to kill your models in certain ways.

Then like there's shit like this.

>>95980779
I do like the fortune telling machine on legs.

>>95956916
I started wargaming when I was around 10, and my brother was 5, and while he didn't really understand all the rules, he was very excited to play MESBG with me, and he liked heroes beating hordes of orcs/uruks. I remember I used to set him up with the Fellowship to see how many orcs he could kill, and he had a lot of fun. Rules are easy enough, but honestly you can guide them and they will just enjoy the results and imagine how the combat goes and all that. I feel like being into the fluff/idea of a game is much more important than the actual mechanics for younger kids (and for most people, honestly).

I have two kids of my own now (one was just born last week actually), and my almost 3 year old loves to see my models. I always tell her to be careful, but I let her pick them up, and, while I've had a couple of scares, 95% of the time she's surprisingly careful with them. She's even helped me fix some old metal MESBG recasts to the bases with putty, and she's learned the word "phalangites" from me working on my latest project.
I feel like you should first introduce them to the minis and they will grow to like them. Who wouldn't? And then starting with something like what >>95960198 mentioned is a good idea as well. I used to play like that when I was a kid.
>blogpost
Yeah, maybe, but I think it's an important topic to consider. I think it's really crucial that kids are interested in stuff so they can become interesting and functional adults. I feel sad (for them) when distant relatives or political family visits my home and they don't show any interest whatsoever on my display cabinet full of miniatures.

>>95980838
I like the idea, but the execution seems bad.
Like why is the box broken? Why does the animatronic look so bad, when the real life ones went out of their way to look at human as possible?

>>95980873
If I remember right, Ampersand is a town made up of discarded robots, so they have the whole Junktown thing going on with their aesthetic. As for the style, that's just how Malifaux does civilian robots. I do wish it was a little closer to the Collodi style puppet robots.

>>95977514
This is the one model that I think is a straight up downgrade for the box. I don't mind the changes to the rest of the box, but that one just sucks compared to the original.

>>95980779
I wish the poses were a bit more dynamic, but considering these are going to be fucking pre-assembled, I see why they kept them bland. I do love the cooking bot, though.

>>95980312
>Grand Cathay doesn't really look like Yuan or Ming era armors, they took the kitchen sink aproach when designing their range.

Hence, why they're called "Proxies." A lot of people famillar with Chinese military history have said that the Jade Warriors are way too armored and that the average Ming grunt weren't given full body lamellar armor as standard issue gear. These are normally reserved for high ranking officers and bodyguards.

Except, your average Jade Warrior weren't just expected to fight your historical horseback steppe raiders and pirates from Nippon. At worst, they were also expected to fight powerful foes like the Warriors of Chaos and Daemons of Chaos. You know, the same Daemons that also give Space Marines trouble.

I wonder how well something Rollerball, like the James Caan movie, would translate to the tabletop. The problem is, as always, finding minis that would work for it - and the niche appeal of Fantasy Sports as a genre.

>>95981201
Iirc Dreadball is pretty close.

>>95981201
You could borrow some shifting mechanics that racing board games use. Your speed is determined by rolling a die and you can choose to shift up or down each turn which increases the size of the die. You have to move your entire team at one time so it can be hard to maintain cohesion around the ball carrier. Maybe add a turnover mechanic like Blood Bowl has.

>>95981189
>Hence, why they're called "Proxies."
The Jade warriors don't resemble Song-Yuan cataphract armor or Ming lamellar because the designers fundmentally don't understand what historical lamellar looks like.

>the Jade Warriors are way too armored and that the average Ming grunt weren't given full body lamellar armor
No, the issue isn't the amount of armor(fairly common during the Song-Early Ming) but that their fantasy armor doesn't even resemble historical armors.

>>95981333
It would be interesting to incorporate momentum into it, and maybe turn the track into an oval so you have some guys that are good in straightaways, and some guys that are good in the corners.

>You have to move your entire team at one time so it can be hard to maintain cohesion around the ball carrier.
Maybe something like Rampant-style activation tied to some sort of "Initiative" or "Game IQ" stat.

Or maybe a hybrid system with a pre-plotted movement, and then a phase of more reactive and free flowing play. Rollerball seems like something that would have 3 periods like hockey.

>>95981353
Not just armors, the weapons don't really fit the Ming either. Over 85% of the Ming expeditionary force was cavalry, most of which were armed with bows or handguns with a sword as a sidearm and some lancers. Just compare and contrast the jade warriors cav with WGA.
https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-ming-empire-northern-cavalry-537455

The elf heads fit the WGF Amazon bodies. I can now make my ideal high elves, bare naked butcheeks and all.
Now to find a replacement for the GW wood elves.

>>95977713
>proxies for the Ming Expeditionary Force for the Imjin War and the Yuan Invasion Force for Kublai Khan's invasion of Japan
*cough*
https://shop.zenitminiatures.es/en/54-joseons-koreans
https://shop.zenitminiatures.es/en/47-katai-chinese
They just did a KS for the first Mongol invasion as well, with a Clash of Spears supplement in the works. Should be about 6-9 months from fulfillment. I have their Guan Yu/Long Gang model. Great sculpt in general, needed the spear shaft replaced because it's a little too thin.

>>95981913
I wonder when their sakura range will be on the store.
All female ashigaru and samurai is a niche they're not exploiting.

>>95978864
https://shop.fasagames.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=185_186
>$50 a ship
>$100 for Leviathans
Yeah.. fuck that. Not that the system's not interesting.

>>95981929
I'm not sure, honestly. They might keep some of it kickstarter-exclusive like they did with the more obscure artillery and Wako sumo wrestlers. It'd make a lot of sense if they're keeping some of the low-demand stuff that tears hell out of the molds in deep storage and only dragging it out when they're doing the big KS batch fulfillment casting.
Try https://ashes-of-tsushima.backerkit.com/hosted_preorders - worth trying even if it may not work for you. According to Backerkit planned delivery is in "August", Zenit still hasn't sent out thier usual
>hey guys, we're starting to cast up orders
email yet so there may still be some time. I definitely splashed out for a couple of the sakura models during Tsushima, the kensei and hegashii were too damned good-looking not to go for.

>>95981201
Rollerball feels like more of a boardgame kind of thing with regards to tabletop. You could easily do a track board and then do like, card based attacks and movement.

>>95960623
I ordered the box myself. Might be nice to have some farmyard animals for terrain etc. anyone have advice for painting this sort of thing?

>>95981353
>The Jade warriors don't resemble Song-Yuan cataphract armor or Ming lamellar because the designers fundmentally don't understand what historical lamellar looks like

I think GW purposely designed them semi-historically this way so that tournament organizers can easily spot who is proxying them in tournaments where only GW licensed products are allowed. Before the Empire ranges for the Old World were officially released, people were taking Pike & Shotte Landsknecht armies to tournaments.

>>95982409
>using /hwg/ as double duty fantasy humans

As they should.

>>95982245
Irregular Miniatures do some nice airships.

>>95982245
I already put my order in a while back, here's hoping for the best.

>>95981913
>32mm
>Metal Miniatures

>>95982554
Ironically they're not only very willowy casts, some of them are outright smaller than my old 1990s Clan War and Ral Partha miniatures. Many of them are in the range of my Fireforge stuff as well. The Wako in particular are malnourished little manlet scrappers.
>metal
Skill issue. Also good fucking luck finding decent characters for anything even remotely samurai-related that's not metal, 3DP slop, or Bushido's 35mm. Reaper, Bac Ninh, Ral Partha, Grey For Now, Zenit, Alderac, they are (or were) all slapping tin in rubber. Most of them to ~30-32mm standards because of Clan War.
I suppose there's also 1980s lines from Ral Partha and Grenadier, or 1990s Perry, if you want to go for a scant 25mm. North Star and Bad Squiddo's stuff (to a lesser extent Steel Fist as well) are very clunky and frankly ugly sculpts to my eyes

>>95980858

Yeah, I think the first scenarios I'll run for him would be something like that, knights or space marines mowing down waves of zombies/Mongols/faceless grunts. In the context of rampant games he'd have a bunch of tooled up elite infantry and riders with bells and whistles, while I would have peasant levies and militia rabble. Would also need to keep the game short, between 15-30 minutes to keep him focused.

>>95982845
I'm an old cunt and red coats versus lizardmen is basically my wargaming style

>>95982650
>28mm
>Plastic
>Only commanders are metal

Fireforge Game also has them in 28mm plastic.

>>95982931

I was looking at the ashigaru missile troops from warlord, has anyone worked with them?

>>95982946
The yumi guys are fine. The teppos are fucking cancer since the arquebus is a separate piece you have to glue to both hands.
Only thing these Wargames Factory sculpts have over the Fireforge guys is not being so massive.

>>95982409
>I think GW purposely designed them semi-historically
The baseline body armor/armguards resemble Ming armors but once they starting adding the helmet, throat and groin components it deviates from historical norms. Weapons are taken from random dynasties.

>>95981913
Zenit is very hit or miss when it comes to historicity, their Katai range is even more random than GW Cathay referencing armors from the Qin-Ming dynasties. Some of their stuff like the Fei Cha soldiers is ok to substitute as a Ming proxy while their Manchu cavalry are just pure fantasy.

>>95983078
And being slightly cheaper
And having sohei

>>95982245
>$50 a ship
>$100 for Leviathans
You forgot
>Enhanced PDF set (rulebook + cards)
>"""starting at $25"""
>the only option available costs $30

>>95982245
>Kensei Miniatures
I want some civilians to complete my skirmish set and they have some neat ones, but the shipping fee is a big downer for such a small order. Any chance for a cheaper maker? Metal or plastic I don't care.

was going to play another solo game of Rangers of shadow deep as a warm up for wednesday game night, but I realized I didnt have the time or energy. shame, I already made the board and did my first turn.

>>95985626

>>95982931
>Only commanders are metal
>>95982650 (me)
>good fucking luck finding decent characters for anything even remotely samurai-related that's not metal
oh look, exactly what I was saying.

>>95982946
They're some of the very first CAD-designed plastics. They have quite stiff poses, and they're cast in 25-year-old molds. As the other Anon says, getting everything lined up on models with multiple open hands is kind of a bitch. On the other hand they do rank up much more nicely in blocks, if that's what you're after. They also match scale with the older historicals a lot better than Fireforge should you be going that route. For skirmish games it's harder to beat Warlord/WGF stuff into shape, especially alongside metal character models.

>>95984137
>Any chance for a cheaper maker? Metal or plastic I don't care.
The only other people I know of making large numbers of Sengoku and Edo-period civilians is the Perries. There are a couple from Bac Ninh (it's on the spot of blog that 4ch still thinks is spam if you link it). Reaper has a couple geisha and no other civvies. Grey For Now (and some Warlord importers) has a set of models with similar shipping and price to the kuros called "Unlikely Allies" that has several basic middle-class civvies. One of the sets North Star makes for Ronin has a couple armed peasants in it but I can't find them individually and the whole set isn't really worth it.
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product-category/metal-ranges/samurai/page/2/
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product-category/metal-ranges/samurai/page/3/
Ikko-ikki, armed peasants, and Town People.
https://badgergames.com/?s=test+of+honour Import seller of GFN, there are probably others

At the moment I'm screwing around with sculpting beat-up kosode and happi onto plastic Perry Zulus to make my peasants, which should tell you how dire the situation is.

Current test party for rangers of shadow deep.

From left to Right:
>Dain
, some say Dune, doesn't talk much, but said once he was from some noble kingdom that collapsed. good woodsman though.
>Zigfred
arnold schwarznager sounding mf who knows his guns (metaphorical, muscles) and his guns (also kind of metaphorical, weapons in general, idk if hes ever even seen a real gun)
>Henry
The plainest lad you ever met, always fiddles with little trinkets. Some say hes the bastard son of somewhere called "skalitz" whatever that means
>Jessie Alm
An inquisitor who acts like your dime a dozen hardboiled private eye, full with mellow dramatic voice over and black coffee. he will call you a fink and a heretic and other obscure 1920's slang words, but only after a thorough Aristotelian approved investigation, damn it.
>Copperkneekiss
Is right 100% of the time 30% of the time on a good day. rambles off obscure prophicies someone will no doubt quote 600 years from now. But is good with a fireball and is reliable enough as a magical advisor if you can get past the twitching
>bluebeard
has no beard. He just kinda talks like a pirate and we think he was once a sailor, so bluebeard stuck.

Reposting over here cus I'm very happy with these guys and wondering if I should put a wood fence on the movement tray for these
Do you guys have a "funny" warband that you like to bust out every now and again

>>95987969
Nice minis, who makes them?

>>95988705
Bequest miniatures, over at hagen-minis.
They have some men/adventurers that are pretty jank desu, but some skeletons as well that are slightly less jank

>>95970558
who are you quoting

best place to find retards to talk and get some games in

>>95985626
That's the most ghetto approach to terrain, and I LOVE it. Shame you didn't get to go through it all man, but I know that feeling.
I haven't been around in ages, been working on fallout factions stuff. I have been out of resin for a while but I keep looking at undead roman sculpts with no game to use them for. OPR has a fan made undead roman faction but I heard it's balance was meh.
>>95987506
I thought the WGA samurai were well done, I dunno if it's a scale issue, but you can always scale stuff before you print them. But I guess you are avoiding 3d print stuff eh?
I just have 15mm samurai from SMOL minatures printed and painted up though so I dunno.

>>95987506
>Perry's sengoku jidai civilian
Really good price for board fillers, thanks.

>Want to write a skirmish ruleset
>Using the 1in grid seems like a good idea since grid in general guarantees a finite number of issues related to movement, terrain placement etc. that can be addressed easily
>Know well that even my friends won't be willing to playtest it unless provided with a dedicated grid mat
God damn it I know that one of the game design principles is to limit the number of obligatory dedicated components like playmats or donut steel dice but I'm so fucking tempted by this damn grid.

>>95991519
I don't think it's a giant ask, given all the RPG playmates with that grid

My wife is very resentful of my hobby, she says I spend all my free time ignoring the family sitting at my hobby desk.

>>95991903
You're not married, you have no armies, and you play no games, frogfaggot.

>>95991919
Wrong on all three, but whatever you say.

>>95991519
Make a X and Y axis stick with the grid marking on it, put it against the size of playing area you're using. Lets you have grid references and people can keep using the terrain they already have.

>>95992026
NTA but that's even more hassle than getting a proper grid playmat.

>>95991519

Embrace the hex. fuck the haters, use heroscape terrain.

Well I received news today that one of my miniatures was printed in Wargames Illustrated. Very cool.

>>95991519
>grid skirmish ruleset
Is there any game that did it right?

>>95992805
Ooh nice, the big ship?

Anyone tried Sengoku monster hunter? Browsing Alternative armies I found some of the minis and wondered.

>>95992938
Yes lad

Quar bros, are you ready for some tanks?
They just showed off the instructions for these two coming plastic sets on their facebook.

>>95993054
#2

>>95987969
I love these

>>95993039

>F-055

hah nice nod to Chris Foss, specially with the stripes

>>95993054
After like three months I have half painted two Quar so yeah I'd say I'm ready for a tank

>>95992840
Heroclix? There’s a bunch of stuff they’ve done wrong as well, but the grid based movement and map layouts worked

>>95991903
Eh, get her to paint a model. I got mine to paint whole armies for me and she's a part of my hobby now.

>>95993712
It can work, but is not guaranteed. If she would be interested, she would ask to join in, or him to show her how to do it etc.
If thats not the case, its usually better to find an activity both enjoy, and not try to force your hobby onto your wife. She might join in, but it might just be to please you, and that should not be your goal.
Think about the opposite: What if your wife likes to do whatever women like to do and she insists of you joining her to do it too.. You might do it, so she is happy, but would you really enjoy it, thinking about the miniatures you could paint while you do something with/for her?

>>95992805
Congrats dude

I really like BLKOUT stuff, but it's so expensive especially if you are in EU. What a shame.

>>95993335
cool dudes

>>95991519
Give a quick look to Of Armies and Hordes. There's a gridless no measurement system relying on "zoning" your table by use of terrain features.

>>95992940
gofile. io
/d/X7kxie

Anyone got any recommendations for some Weird War Two style Mech STLs? Something in the vein of Dust Tactics or Konflikt 47 would be ideal. Asking here because I figure you guys might know better than /3dpg/

>>95994441
>/d/X7kxie
I have the book (the first one) already, I was asking for what did you duds things if you have played it, but thanks for hte link.

>>95994313
The system looks great. I'm dying for a modern/scifi skirmish game built around reactions.
I'm hoping for a miniature agnostic version to come out eventually, like Xenotactics is to Infinity

>>95992940
I have it. I made a 15mm board for Ronin, and I was going to use it for Sengoku Monster Hunter.
Have yet to get a game in. The week I was supposed to demo a game of it to friends, one bailed and the other was sick.
I like the system, I love the minis. I want to buy a bunch of oni, I got some goblins somewhere as well as zombies. If you do thematic enemies, you know pick a set group of them, rather then use the books random generation of them I FEEL it would work better.

>>95990183
>That's the most ghetto approach to terrain, and I LOVE it
well, you know how it is in the hood.
thanks btw
the scenario said to fill the area with a bunch of rocks and shrubs, and id be damned before making/buying a whole bunch of 3d shit and having to store it somewhere when I have perfectly good IMAGINATION and 15 minutes of prep time.
also, good luck on your undead roman sculps.

Found some old "finished" generic scatter terrain in a bin today. Touched some of it up and have been clear coating them while I was waiting for other things to cure and dry.

The wheelbarrow loads were done by filling the barrow bed in with a texture pace while leaving room for a reasonable amount of scatter mix to get tacked in afterwards. I thought the barrow with the stones in the bed turned out better. It's just more visually interesting, I tried to mix in different colors and sizes of stones to create some more variety on top of that. The other loads are just earth, as you can see and while it looks better in person I think the cart loaded with stones looks better. Maybe I will try giving them a wash with a dark brown or something to try to draw out the earthen texture.

I used the Kraut Cover Copious earth and light earth for the loads, secured in with their scatter fixing system. Highly recommend it by the way it's how I do all my bases now. Better than superglue and the mixes are top notch. I'm sure some people will scoff at the idea of paying for what is basically dirt and small rocks mixed with other basing material. However the variety and quality is well worth it, in my opinion. I don't have time to sort out rocks by color and size by hand and all that hoopla. I just want to work on my stuff not be a geologist and allat shit.

It sells out fast so if you can get some, get it. Get the scatter fixer, get the tack glue (it's very versatile, I use it for a ridiculous number of things in my workspace). Best mixed are Tale of Grimdark, Ruins of Persistence, Snow Highland pass, kodama woods, and meadows of purity. I'd also recommend getting some of the earth mixes, depending on what you're looking to accomplish. I have all of these things, and have applied most of it to finished figs so if anyone is curious and wants to see finished results let me know and I'll post a picture of a base done with the mix and even drop some advice on applying that one.

This is the "Meadows of Purity" mix. It's good for like a rock pocked grassy plain, Plains of Rohan kinda feel. Would work good for most fantasy stuff, or north america/Europe if you're talking something historical or based in a realistic setting. I've posted some of my stuff here before on occasion, you guys may have seen a lot of the mixes already.

>Tale of Grimdark
Really excellent mix. Includes a variety of skulls and bones in various states of integrity. Some are split open, some missing a jaw etc. You can see a couple on the base there. If you want an evil or foreboding sort of feel it is excellent. Would be great for an undead army, or a necromancers base etc. pair that with some of the burned Tufts from gamers grass and it looks pretty awesome I think. The mix is mostly washed out greys and whites with darker soil. With some chips of wood and leaves or something. Either way, highly recommended

All of this shit sells out really fast too btw so if you want it get it when you see it in stock.

And just to be clear I'm not a shill i just like to share my solid finds with my awg bros because because

>the ruins of persistence
Pretty self explanatory. This isn't a great example of the variety in there. There are bricks, concrete style chunks and a lot of other stuff. The overall appearance is obviously city ruins. It reminds me of the last firefight in saving private ryan, or carentan in band of brothers. That white concrete dust sort of look.

I clipped up some clear plastic from a blister pack to make the glass on the ground. Also, AK interactive ice crystals can be used to create a pretty believable shattered glass effect when paired with that. You could use clear sheet styrene instead of blister pack plastic but you'd be wasting your money imo unless you need it for some other reason.

The fixer system is actually insanely good. You won't lose any of the material even with regular handling, in my experience

Anyways I'll stop drumming on. If you like basing or want a quick way to dress up your minis bases grab some. I recommend throwing a layer of texture paste down as a base before applying the mix, so it isn't noticeable if there is not total coverage or you want a sparser look to the foliage, debris and what not. AK interactive makes the best texture pastes imo. Dries rock hard, sandable when dry, fully paintable.

>>95995992
Yeah, I need to stop starting new projects and just finish old ones.
I finished my disciples gang and their pet deathclaw, their outfits are mostly black and gray though so it wasn't too hard.
Posed on my 15mm burnt forest board for another unfinished project... >.>

>>95996717
what im looking for currently is a 28mm scale vicar amelia or clerical beast.

I think gangly armed massive tortured werewolves are dope. unfortunately the only one I know of is part of a board game box set thats like 100 dollars.

>>95992044
>using terrain you already have and being able to draw an imaginary line you can actually measure with a straight edge if you have to is a hassle
skill issue

>>95994536
Scoutifier and Golden Dragon Games have some good stuff

>>95995059
I see, the game is promising but you know how games just look cool, but when you try them they fell off? That's why I'm asking. I like the idea of the thematic bands fo enemies.

Anyone knows if any maker does dragones de cuera in plastic? Hell, even metal would be nice.

>>95997700
You're unlikely to find a kit for that, but maybe you could kitbash one using the Gunfighters Mounted kit and the WGA Conquistadors Cavalry kit and/or Warlord Games Pike & Shotte Cavalry kit? Maybe you could get some sprues of each off ebay and put something together?

>>95992805
>>95993039
Oh that's neat

>>95997734

The warlord games pike and shotte cavalry is not very kitbashable, only one separate arm, heads have either hats or helmets.

>>95997949
Sir, your craftknife?

>>95994313
I really wanted to like BLKOUT because the models seemed cool as hell and conceptually the game sounded amazing. Unfortunately in practice the game was pretty shit and the models are outrageously overpriced, especially being 3d printed.

A while ago some Anon asked for some cold war americans.

Maybe this is interesting for you?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/flankmarch/reforger-1-cold-war-us-army-infantry

>>95999629
>3D print shit
It's all so tiresome...

>>95999675
Welcome in 2025 grandpa.

>>95999725
Not him, but it's pretty gay. Imagine buying metal minis but instead of the minis they just send you a mold and tell you that it's your job to buy all the shit to cast it yourself.
Except 3d proont shit is worse because it was mostly likely "sculpted" using AI

>>95999752
>it was mostly likely "sculpted" using AI

Source on that?

>Imagine buying metal minis but instead of the minis they just send you a mold and tell you that it's your job to buy all the shit to cast it yourself.

It would be awesome, because i could make as many miniatures as i wanted, and not just have a set of 5 or 10.

>>95999752
STL and printing is one of the best things that happened to this hobby. Before, only a select few could release miniatures. Either because they could sculpt well, or because they could hire someone to do it for them. But now you have countless more options, because way more people are able to sculpt digitally, even if this causes a lot of bad stuff being made too. I just love to be able to find so many options for every single miniature idea i might have.

>>95999675
ok boomer

>>95999752
sour grapes

>>95998556
>Unfortunately in practice the game was pretty shit
I tried it in TTS, seemed fun to me

Anyone played Anyaral Twilight? Minis look cool, so I might just get them for other skirmish games

>>95999832
Tell me anon, which ice cream shop would you rather visit: a shop that specializes in one single flavor or a shop selling 500 different flavors?

>>96000424
>anyone play *literally who?*

>>96000438
yeah, exactly

>>95997734
Would you even need to go that far? A cursory google search makes it look like you'd just need to find mounted cowboys with leather vests and then add a lance and shield. You could probably paint a cuirass with leather colors if generic cowboy vest doesn't look thick enough.

>>96000424
thank you for the offer but my peepee does not need protection

>>96000429
The latter. Specializing in something doesn't guarantee you're good at it, meanwhile the wide range means you're more likely to find something you like even if your tastes are esoteric. Especially since minis use a sense that can be transmitted over the internet, whereas the taste of ice cream cannot.

>>96000429
The good thing is that the shop that sells a single flavor and the shop that sells 500 different flavors both can exist in the same street

>>96000429
weird metaphor. Its rather one restaurant in the whole town, or having 500 different restaurants and food stores available.

Expanse ships. Fleet scale, 1/2000. 24/box, eight varieties. Nice to see an affordable alternative to the "21 bucks/ship, btw you need 30 to play hehe" lines out there

>>96000424
I love it, it was quar before it was quar, I really like the factions and how cute they are.

>>96001180
>Expanse ships. Fleet scale, 1/2000. 24/box, eight varieties.
>affordable
Manufacturer name/link?

>>96001228

WGA. Kickstarter fulfillment first.

>>96000429
>>96001095
I feel like it's even weirder because if you take the metaphor literally why would you ever want an ice cream shop to specialize in only one flavor?
and I say this as someone who rarely ever gets more than one flavor.

>>96001355
>if you take the metaphor literally
Which you wouldn't, unless you have a low IQ or are autistic

>>96001338
>Warcucks Atlantic
Thanks for letting me know, now I know to skip it

>>96001228
It's literally written on the sprue

>>96001368
yes I know, I'm usually the one complaining about people doing that, but the point is that he attempted to use a metaphor to explain how variety isn't necessarily better and then chose an example where most people would value variety more.

>>96001405
That ice cream shop example was actually from a study that showed white people are more likely to choose the quality option whereas ethnics minorites choose quantity option almost 100% of the time.

>>96001208
in terms of gameplay too?

The only issue I have is Phiona doesn't look crazed.

>>96001384
What's wrong with WGA?

>>96002714
This looks alright, kinda wonky in some parts, but much better than every other set shown off. The redhead's expression with the tongue I don't get.

>>96002793
The owner called him out for being an entitled faggot on Facebook and he's made it his life's mission to ruin their reputation here. Like, multiple posts every thread. It's deeply pathetic.

>>96001180
I kinda like the one that's taking design cues off of the Cygnus from Black Hole, but eh on the others. Could maybe kitbash some interesting stuff with the TTCombat Space Station sprues or Resistance stuff, I guess?

>>95991519
You could piss literally everyone off and use an offset grid, for all the aesthetic hideousness of squares with the movement options of hexes. Dry-erase grids or hexmats are cheap as fuck for iterating.

>>96002896
Yeah. I get she's supposed to be yelling to ask a question, but I have no idea why her tongue is out.

>>96002896
>>96003004
Nevermind, relooked at the thumbnail for the article on the Wyrd site, whihc has a better look at Nellie's face. Its just the lower lip.

>>95990183
>I thought the WGA samurai were well done, I dunno if it's a scale issue, but you can always scale stuff before you print them. But I guess you are avoiding 3d print stuff eh?
Yeah, my samurai collection is 28-30mm and I don't do 3DP.
>>95999810
>>95999725
>>95999832
NTA, but.. I have a bunch of issues with the KS-3DP churn in particular. Everyone has their own skubby opinion on the level of greebling it encourages, so I'll ignore that. That said, it's already hard enough to find people who actually design things that are meant to exist in meatspace. 3D sculpting makes it much harder. The KS/Patreon churn model incentivizes turnover and quantity, so both the sculptors and the buyers frequently halfass their shit and don't test it first. The guys in my group who are all-in on printing are constantly bitching about having to tweak models or being dissatisfied with them once it's time to put paint to resin. They never have all their shit painted. Frequently none of it. The solution to a hole in their collection isn't tweaking rules or conversions, it's hunting up a patreon, flinging another half-cup of resin into a hole, and dumping more grey plastic into a shoebox on the back of the shelf. But what a value it was!
Which brings me to the personal problems. The first is the same reason I don't do Minecraft or MMOs anymore. It's far too easy to hoard thousands of theoretical miniatures, print hundreds, and abandon them the instant they aren't poking the reward button. Likewise, I don't want 50 copies of the same 10 sculpts. I want to convert and kitbash until every model's unique. Yes, you can do that with 3D sculpts, but I enjoy the physical process more. I don't like having to handle everything with kid gloves. Or a dust mask. Let alone painting them

The price/value argument for printing means jack shit when it's never quite what you want and half the shit you buy never exists as a physical object

>>96002714
That printing press is a pretty weird take.
Though to my honest I hate Journalist as a key word.
Street urchins firing newspapers at people with that force of a 45 caliber revolver is some goofy gremlin shit.

>>96003107
Very weird take, but whatever.

>>96003107
Your post is less about printing, but more about the bad spending habits of your mate. If that guy would not have a printer, he would hoard boxes of plastic or metal mini blisters in the shelves of his hobby room.

The point of being not satisfied how a mini looks "in the flesh" after a shiny render image made you print it is something I can understand, but I had this happen to me with plastics too. I bought several sets from WGA and Northstar only to find out that they do not look as nice as on some pictures I saw before, and I sold the stuff on eBay again. With prints, at least I can skip the hassle of reselling and just throw them to the trash.

But what I really disagree with is your statement about the lack of kitbashing potential, specifically physical kitbashing. You make it sound like that it's not really an option any more, but it is. There are countless of multipart sets. Not only you can combine them with each other, but also with plastic sets, and printed bits from all kinds of other sets. If I have a sprue of 6 knights and they come with a variety of weapons, but I want 6 maces, I would suffer with plastic. But I can just print 6 arms with maces.

All in all, it gives me a ton of additional options, with basically no downsides. And no, a guy who does not paint his stuff is not a valid point.

>>96002714
>Phiona doesn't look crazed
she used to be crazy, but then she took a rail spike to the brain

>>96002714
I really need to get the old box now.
(not like the new one is absolute shit or anything, I just loved the previous one and would love to get it just to paint)

>>96004691
>>96004691
>>96004691