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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 4:49:49 AM No.95961319
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I've always hated 5e but now I dislike Pathfinder 2e even though it was my go to for years
I'm tired of combat lasting literal hours being the main gripe but there a some minor things as well like not a lot of roleplay focused players. So many only wanted to kill stuff and power game. It was fine at first but it just got old after the umpteenth time
It felt like everything was padded and full of fluff
Someone told me that's just how it is with d20 games.
Is that true?
I'm looking forward to at least trying SotDL. It's a d20 system but I hope I don't hate it

What are some games you think are good that rewards creativity and thinking?
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:03:23 AM No.95961387
>not a lot of roleplay focused players

Does this mean you aren't playing with your actual friends?

Get better friends.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:11:53 AM No.95961424
>>95961387
Most of my actual friends either don't have time for TTRPGs, live too far away, or simply don't like online games

So I've been playing with randos, which is probably the problem. out of the several dozen games I've ran or been in I think I like maybe two people.
I've just been running things for people hoping I can get a good group eventually
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:53:38 AM No.95961572
>>95961424
>So I've been playing with randos, which is probably the problem

There's no probably about it. Playing with randos is the worst thing you can do in ttrpg. That's why everything seems so long and like such a slog, because while you're waiting for your retard friend Tim to figure out how to cast firebolt you're shooting the shit with your other friends, or fucking with Tim.

Every system sucks when you're at an uncomfortable table playing with people you don't like.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 10:49:34 AM No.95962566
>>95961319 (OP)
>Someone told me that's just how it is with d20 games.
it's true, high level combat in D&D and Pathfiner takes forever
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:31:08 PM No.95963141
>>95961319 (OP)
That's the legacy of 3.xpf on a whole host of ttrpgs.
>The fun part is characters having lots of combat abilities
Becomes
>Combat must provide endless opportunities for powers
Becomes
>Combat must take fucking forever

Just play different games. You don't even need to go outside D&D if you don't want to. TSR editions really don't have this problem (up until Skills & Powers in 2e). But also plenty of other games don't have this problem. And there are plenty of d20 games that fix it, if d20 is your thing. Worlds and Stars Without Number both make combat much, much faster.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 6:19:23 PM No.95964401
>>95961319 (OP)
You should probably go play BRP or some true OSR system, honestly.
That said, SotDL and SotWW are pretty quick to play as far as I can tell, so by all means, try it.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 3:29:15 AM No.95967962
>>95961319 (OP)
complaints about long combat never made sense to me. do you not like the game to have strategy
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 3:32:53 AM No.95967982
>>95967962
Impatience is a problem these days, instant gratification being on demand hasn't helped.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 12:57:12 PM No.95970413
>>95967962
I think it has to do with what this >>95961572
anon said as well

It was fine at first but it just got tiresome over the years. As a GM I began to want more tell more stories and have RP than just fighting for hours.
I wouldn't mind running Pathfinder in person, I'd probably prefer it, I see it more as a "family and friends" or beer and pretzels game. Online games is just a slog for me now
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 2:09:52 PM No.95970619
>>95967962
>>95967982
Most people have limited amounts of time to play, they want to see the game progress instead of having an encounter take up the whole 3-4 hours they have that week.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 2:35:07 PM No.95970708
>>95967962
Some people enjoy the narrative aspect more, that's why I play narrative focus games. They still have combat but it's not the focus.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 3:19:53 PM No.95970893
>>95970708
I love having sex with black women
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 3:34:36 PM No.95970949
>>95967962
If the game is good it won't feel like it's taking forever. The game is not good.
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 3:39:28 PM No.95970961
>>95961319 (OP)
The problem with 5e and PF2 is too much HP. Not saying everything should be able to be one shot but the idea of everything outside of a low level goon being able to tank a Crit. or two is kind of retarded. Also prefer when combos with your party could make or break a encounter. Not just getting adv. for someone casting a buff and all.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 7:35:25 PM No.95972156
>>95967962
Bad GMs produce a quagmire when combat comes and don't know how to make it short and effective.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:50:21 AM No.95974626
>>95964401
/thread
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:45:02 PM No.95977901
>>95970893
Good for you
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 12:07:57 AM No.95980222
>>95970961
Yeah. Part of the problem is that an enemy with 2 HP is just as effective at hitting and killing you as an enemy with 200 HP.

So when I crit an enemy for 60 damage and see that it's only Near Death it kind of feels like I wasted my turn a little bit.
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 5:27:07 PM No.95984747
2e is truly an awful game.
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 5:59:57 PM No.95985006
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>>95980222
>So when I crit an enemy for 60 damage and see that it's only Near Death it kind of feels like I wasted my turn a little bit.
adhd-brain anon wants instant gratification for every time his special snowflake power attack tiger pounce 4x dice on crit barbarian 'does the thing'

you would change your tune if you were the one forced to pass your next turn and go prone whenever the enemy hit you for massive damage
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 6:38:33 PM No.95985312
>>95985006
>Immediate hyper defensive reply that misses the point because anon is seething so hard at toy being criticized
Shoo brand warrior. Shoo.

I wasn't even playing a Barbarian so swing and a miss.
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 7:07:18 PM No.95985571
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>>95985312
>Shoo brand warrior.
>I wasn't even playing a Barbarian so swing and a miss.
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 8:11:10 PM No.95986112
>>95985571
>>95985006
>Trying to play the 4chan cool guy when you're mad over a board game being criticized
Nice try. Also:

>Posting edgy fedora tipper when your first reply unironically used the term special snowflake in 2025
Peak irony.
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 8:16:11 PM No.95986166
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>>95986112
>no bro, ur mad!!
you can't even argue your point so you're just resorting to shitty edition war bait

go back to not playing any games.
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 8:16:29 PM No.95986173
>>95985571
The funny thing is this is the average PF2e player you just posted. Fanbase filled with redditors with an unearned superiority complex just because they don't play DnD 5e.
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 8:18:54 PM No.95986197
>>95986166
What argument? You just started screaming at me because I said something you didn't like even though it lines up with my actual game experience. There were no points argued or positions established. You just kind of started flinging insults, fittingly, like a monkey throwing its poo.

Are you trying to force an argument because you're lonely and bored? That's sad.
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 8:28:19 PM No.95986286
>>95986197
>What argument?
fitting that your reading comprehension is so low . . . you haven't really thought of the consequences of characters losing effectiveness when their hp diminishes, you just want to win more and win bigger!! it's childish, really!

>You just kind of started flinging insults
>Shoo brand warrior. Shoo.

>Are you trying to force an argument because you're lonely and bored? That's sad.
actual redditor-tier language. you're really cool and nonchalant because you don't care at all about these dumb nerd things lol.

either engage with the conversation or leave.
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 8:48:04 PM No.95986439
>>95986286
>you haven't really thought of the consequences of characters losing effectiveness when their hp diminishes

See? There is no argument. It's just you strawmanning and trying to force one real hard because you're a loser. All I said was critting a normal enemy for 60 damage and them surviving it doesn't feel the best in agreement to someone saying creatures in this system have too much HP. Everything beyond that is just you extrapolating nonsense because... you really, really want to fight about something I guess.

Now since you completely misread my actual post, got mad, insulted me and then started arguing an imaginary argument in your head the thing to do as a man is apologize for wasting both our times. A child will dig in their heels further. So are you a man or are you an angry little fanboy who really really wants to argue?
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 9:04:05 PM No.95986546
>>95961319 (OP)
Sounds like a group problem. Join the furry, vampire and elf larp groups if you want serious RP

Not joking
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 9:06:13 PM No.95986559
>>95986439
>All I said was critting a normal enemy for 60 damage and them surviving it doesn't feel the best in agreement to someone saying creatures in this system have too much HP.
selective memory ahh mf
>Part of the problem is that an enemy with 2 HP is just as effective at hitting and killing you as an enemy with 200 HP
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 9:10:35 PM No.95986591
>>95970708
I have narrative in my combat? Once the combat is 'in check' I just wrap up the fight though or have the enemies surrender once they complete the objective
The nice thing about PF2E is it's not balanced around attrition Adventuring Day so you can do that most easily
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 9:13:36 PM No.95986608
>>95986173
>I'm looking forward to at least trying SotDL.

The satanic scat fetish game? Liberal version of FATAL
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Anonymous
6/30/2025, 9:20:28 PM No.95986670
>>95986559
>Ahh

Anyway yes that is what I posted. Do you need me to explain how that's not the same as "this game sucks because players and enemies don't get debuffed when low on health" or can you walk through that one on your own?

Feel free to apologize for wasting both our times at any point. But I think you'll keep trying to force a fake argument where there isn't one since you are a big loser.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 4:56:25 AM No.95989454
>>95984747
This.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 4:57:28 AM No.95989459
>>95967962
Do you not like roleplaying in your roleplaying game? Are you one of those OSR Dungeon Crawling aspies?
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 1:37:17 PM No.95990985
>>95986608
And yet it's still better than 2e. Really makes you think.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 4:51:17 PM No.95991878
>>95961572
spoiler alert: you're the rando in this conversation
all of 4chan is for talking with randos
wholly dismissing unknown people while speaking on an anonymous imageboard is the height of hypocrisy
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 4:52:33 PM No.95991886
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>>95967962
>strategy
>in dndslop
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 4:56:31 PM No.95991906
>>95961319 (OP)
>I'm looking forward to at least trying SotDL
As someone that has been running SotDL and SotWW for awhile I'll recommend that if your group are going into Demon Lord as new players do NOT use anything beyond the base book and Demon Lord's Companion 1.
DLC1 was supposed to be a part of the core rulebook but they had to cut it due to printing prices it would have added to the core book.
If your group likes more horror-fantasy then go with Demon Lord, if your group likes more mid/high fantasy heroics then go for Weird Wizard.

>What are some games you think are good that rewards creativity and thinking?
If we're just talking in the d20 space then a lot of OSR and nuSR stuff does. I'll highly recommend the latest edition of Dragonbane from Free League alongside the Conan 2d20 game.
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Anonymous
7/1/2025, 4:58:40 PM No.95991912
>>95967962
The only post-WotC acquisition D&D game that actually had any real strategy was 4e but people shit themselves at the thought of daring to not play 3.5.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 7:02:53 PM No.95992755
>>95986591
>it's not balanced
Correct. Or at least not balanced around being an actual RPG. It's a tactical board game. And attrition is good, rather than expecting to be able to spend 2 hours spamming Goodberry until everyone is in tip top shape.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 7:04:04 PM No.95992768
>>95967982
Underrated answer. Attention span for ALL people (not just zoomers) has been absolutely nuked first by the internet and then especially smart phones.
Anonymous
7/1/2025, 10:46:24 PM No.95994235
>>95961319 (OP)
You sound like a bitch, m'lady. Is it perhaps your womanly cycle?
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 12:17:32 AM No.95994903
>>95967962
When 1 combat takes 4 hours its boring as hell, especially when that becomes the norm rather than the exception. All this is a symptom of individual initiative and too many overly gimmicky action skills both from monsters and players. Whenever my fellow players in 5e finished their turn they would just alt tab away for the next 30 minutes for the GM and others turn to conclude a single combat round and everyone at the table just treated that as normal. And don't even bullshit with long combats being "tactical", its just rote system mastery and buildfagging at best.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 4:08:31 AM No.95996315
>>95991906
Why do you recommend I just use core and Demon lord companion?
I have damn near all the books with the help of a certain thread
I even have some foundry modules
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 11:30:30 AM No.95997668
>>95996315
>Hey we're playing a new game with 100s of core book options.
>Have another 100 books to look through.
There is just no need for it.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 4:37:02 PM No.95998852
>>95962566
Even mid level combat to be honest.
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 4:47:44 PM No.95998922
Opinions on RPGs
Opinions on RPGs
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>>95961319 (OP)
Pic related is my personal list
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 4:54:26 PM No.95998973
>>95961319 (OP)
>DnDrone
>What are some games you think are good that rewards creativity and thinking?
I think you won't be able to get into them, given the brain rot already caused irreparable damage
Anonymous
7/2/2025, 10:38:16 PM No.96001359
>>95998922
>>95998922
Why do you have DnD5e above pf2e?

and Darkbad seems to be a parody ttrpg So I assume your top tier games are jokes
If this is truly your list I can't help but think that you are a strange man with very different tastes from myself.
Legend of the Five Rings looks neat though
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Anonymous
7/2/2025, 11:42:15 PM No.96001836
>>95961319 (OP)
>What are some games you think are good that rewards creativity and thinking?
Mage the Ascension, Mage the Awakening, etc.
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 12:01:16 AM No.96001976
>>96001359
Because Pf2e is so awful that even DnD5e is better.
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 10:00:32 AM No.96004559
>>95998922
The fact you labeled Shadowdark as "Culture War Garbage" goes to show you are the worst kind of pathetic retard. You can at least be sensible, and put it into Dogshit. And much of your dogshit list is full of actual culture war shit.
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 11:12:20 AM No.96004744
>>95961319 (OP)
>Just how it is with d20 games, is that true?

Yes. It's worse with PF stuff though. Every single adventure in PF, SF, and 2e operates under the assumption that every single PC is using a min-maxed optimized "build" character focused on combat. Every. Single. Adventure.

Since that is the official books, it only makes sense for players and GMs to assume that's the "correct" way to play. It's why I tell people to never touch a published Paizo adventure and to make their own because the system (regardless of the game) can be used to make all kinds of fun stuff outside of just combat. The bigger problem is PLAYERS are hardwired into it being a combat only system because of those official adventures and as such the entire community around it is pretty much ass.

Learn a different system. Hell, learn something d20 adjacent like Shadow of the Demon Lord to make it easier to learn and to make getting your players to switch easier.
sage
7/3/2025, 11:16:07 AM No.96004761
>>95961319 (OP)
Most of these problems sound to me like issues inherent in 3e+ D&D. Play AD&D, an OSR clone, or a NuSR game (Dungeon Crawl Classics is a great start). It will get you to shift you and your players away from looking at the rules to resolve things, and using them as guidelines, as was intended.
Anonymous
7/3/2025, 11:18:40 AM No.96004771
>>96001359
5e is objectively better than PF2e.
At that point we are really just comparing which turd is more uniform though.