Live and let shag edition

>Build Divide
>Force of Will
>Final Fantasy TCG
>DBZ CCG
>Wixoss
>Keyforge
>Gundam
>Legend of the 5 Rings (L5R)
>Digimon
>Flesh and Blood
>Gate Ruler
>Battle Spirits
>Ashes
>One Piece
>The other DBZ game
>Sorcery
>Doomtown
>Warlord
>Magi Nation
>Lord of the Rings
>Neopets
>The Condemned CCG
>Grand Archive TCG
>Disney Lorcana
>Hubworld: Aidalon
>Earthborne Games
>Riftbound
etc.

Post about card games you've played and help other anons get to know your games!

Pastebin/Rules for some games
>Wixoss
https://pastebin.com/LC8SpttH
>FoW
https://pastebin.com/aGEBEKeF
>Dragonball GT SD
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Pj_0YeUXI5g4XyKwbAXJuZCGt3qWJwyp
>Gate Ruler
https://pastebin.com/nbcZP0nB
>Build Divide
https://pastebin.com/1cQT2pkz
>FaB
https://rentry.org/oypcs
>Ashes Reborn
https://pastebin.com/2jr0EG9S
>Netrunner
https://pastebin.com/g3yQAQ7w
>Fusion World
https://www.dbs-cardgame.com/fw/pdf/rules/fw_OfficialRule_Manual_en_v1.00_2.pdf
>Various Japanese CCGs without western translation (page is in moonrunes)
http://card.g1.xrea.com/tcg/catalog.html
>The Condemned CCG
https://pastebin.com/Liu2E7Rq

voice chat for playing /acg/
https://discord.gg/rCQFKcGcEP

>Previous Thread
>>95904020

>Thread Question
How do you behave when you're out playing cardgames in person? Be it competitive, casual or anything in between; tell us what it's like to play with you.

>>95960153
I like Lorcana too, but I will also be trying to play Riftbound.

I hope it does take off, I want Bandai TCG's to die

This game looks fun. Haven't played.

>getting that thread link in seconds before the grim reaper visited the thread
Clutch

>>95961693
I used to have it. The gimmicks get old fast, but it's good for a few rounds with friends.

Are licensed tie-ins and brand recognition the future of TCGs? Is it possible to launch a new and original IP with any expectation of it ever taking off beyond "niche", regardless of how good or bad the game even is?

I think the market is a little too congested for a brand new IP type tcg
Unless it's a tcg which is very unique and has an interesting story behind it.

>>95961674 (OP)
>How do you behave when you're out playing cardgames in person? Be it competitive, casual or anything in between; tell us what it's like to play with you.
I'm way too helpful and generous with newbies. I basically throw matches all the time to explain to them what they're currently doing incorrectly and then they end up defeating me with that info. It can be very annoying at times though, I get that. I just can't help myself.

caster chronicles are coming back to global

>>95962314
Holy shit

>>95962314
holy fucking shit!!! (ive never heard of this game but im happy for the fans)

>>95962323
relevant information for those who don't know what caster chronicles is

>>95962314
I hope its not impossible to buy outside 1 store in canada charging $50 for shipping this time!
so many niche clearly DoA games coming out. I thought china imports were expensive now how is this happening? someone buy a tcg printer?

>weeb tcg
Meh

>>95961990
It has always been hard for new IPs to break out.

>>95962535
FUCKTHISGAME

>>95962535
what am i looking at

>>95962854
looks like a bastard child Adventure Time had with Rick&Morty

https://youtu.be/2Muu3Xb56Eo
Going into the gundam starter decks

>>95962883
leave it to japan to innovate a way to use an even higher quantity of single-use plastic in a product that serves no purpose whatsoever

>>95962896
bandai are so based they use like 3x the plastic coating as other card game manufacturers FUCKEARTH

>>95962896
???

I've played TWO whole games of DC Forever...

So far not sure what I think, it is definitely a competitive LCG in terms of gameplay despite it having deckbuildery elements. There are alot of decisions you can make and it feels a bit one-sided towards the villains but I think thats just because their gameplan is easier......

anyway FUCKDCFOREVER, /bgg/ is three blocks down yada yada

Card games are killing trees
STOP KILLING EARTH

>>95961688

>>95963037
>this is who you're arguing with when you dissent the earthborn rangers poster

>>95963037
She wasn't killed during her capture?

>>95961688
>I want Bandai TCG's to die
will probably never happen considering they're one of the most affordable tcgs to get into competitively. hell if lorcana dies post-rotation, then one piece gets the #4 spot easily. after that, it'll be gundam and riftbound to contend it.

>>95963124
>tfw wixoss is more fun to play than any other english tcg but its art will forever hold it back
Feels bad

>>95963179
if there's time for a duel masters comeback to happen, it's now. wizards/hasbro, for some reason, isn't realizing that bandai's taking the entire market space that duel masters occupies and if they solidify a spot high into the top 10 with gundam, then it might as well be over for them.

>>95963124
Digimon doing well too
>>95963179
the art (and foiling) is the main reason to play wixoss.

Please wixsisters, pray for EN to survive into WX24 and the ALT decks. I just want my classic-themed battle box. We're so close...

>>95962151
I know exactly what you mean, I've been there to an extent. I will explain what I'm doing to win and leave an "in" for them to comeback, and mostly that ends up arming them to kick my ass repeatedly down the road. I'm just to scared if I dunked on them they wouldn't see why I like the game.

>>95962363
I'm interested
>NA, UK, EU
nyo...

>>95961870
I loved this card, everything about it is so cool, but I knew it wasn't good even back back then. This was my styling card I threw in to play mind games with my cousin.

>>95963208
Look man I just want to enjoy the game in person without dealing solely with weebs and pedophiles
>>95963193
Do you think modern DM has what it takes to win over fans of the original EN release? The vibe is so different that nostalgia as a selling point doesn't sound viable

>>95963193
>duel masters
overrated game

>>95963496
If WotC killed EN DM because of low sales, then the old player base wasn't big enough to be worth worrying about getting back. I don't think it would be hard to get them back anyway. Half of the new cards that get printed are some kind of oldfag nostalgia bait anyway.
They just need to actually market the game and not sabotage it with obviously retarded decisions like the other two times they tried to bring it over. I know that's asking too much though.

>>95963496
well tbf modern yugioh is very different from old school yugioh in terms of its theme and it did well. not to mention there's an entire generation of tcg players who either don't know about duel masters or discounted it as a yugioh knockoff when they were younger. it might as well be a new game to the western market.
>>95963569
overrated enough to be the blueprint for modern jp tcgs?

>>95963788
Modern Yu-Gi-Oh is a bad example to be bringing up though. Before Master Duel launched tons of people were super excited to play a game they were all nostalgic for, only for 99% of the player based to completely drop the game within a few days of its launch. And that's purely to not only how different, but also how badly poorly managed power creep, bad game design, and a complete loss of identity absolutely butchered beyond recognition or anything you could call fun.

Like, Konami still tries to pander to nostalgia by printing cards that support nostalgic monsters like Blue-Eyes, Dark Magician, or Exodia, but it's just the same unfun solitaire combo-slop with a different coat of paint. Yu-Gi-Oh completely loss the identity it had from the days of the manga that spawned it died. Modern Yu-Gi-Oh plays nothing like the stories Takahashi wrote about.

At least Duel Masters, despite its power creep, still plays like Duel Masters.

>>95963840
theme is very different from gameplay. i'm aware that modern yugioh is very different card game from old school yugioh gameplay-wise but the theme is what i'm getting at. old school yugioh lived up to the "monsters" part of duel monsters but over time you start to see that soften into a more contemporary artstyle that'd you see in other jp properties. you only realize that yugioh had an unique identity once it puts out reheats nostalgia archetypes with new support. duel masters is no different in that regard.

>>95963840
>Modern Yu-Gi-Oh plays nothing like the stories Takahashi wrote about
YGO never played like how the DM manga or anime were in the first place

>>95963193
Wizards intentionally killed off Duema in the west due to butthurt over how well it was doing, it is never coming back.

>>95963054
>>95963037

Incapable as ever to leave well enough alone, I see. Did the widdle wanger make you angwy?

>>95963990
As someone who played in 2004, you're blatantly wrong.

>>95963947
>duel masters is no different in that regard
I don't really see it. Outside of cherry picked alternate arts and frame design, modern Duel Masters still feels and looks very much like Duel Masters to me.

>>95962950
Is my man The Question in it and if so can you show his card.

>>95963496
weebs and "pedophiles" are what makes wixoss great. try magic the gathering if you want to be around normalfags. more your speed champ.

>>95964059
>normalfags
trannies arent normal

>>95964070
Let me guess, your main game is either Juan Piss or Finances and Bolt?

>>95963947
I play DMP regularly. Honestly, I don't see this loss of identity you're talking about. The art style may have changed for some of those super gnarly Fire Civilization cards from the base set, but that's cause they hired western artists for many those. Even in the first Generation of DM, they had tons of OTT stuff from Japanese artists and in that regard, not much has changed as this sort of vibe lives within the game to this day.

>>95963496
It's hilarious how you guys pretend like the average tcg player is any less weird than your hypothetical wixoss weeb.
>>95963394
When WX24 comes out, you arts era fags better show the fuck up.

>>95964077
found the tranny

>>95963840
If they had marketed Rush towards boomers rather than toddlers it could have revived.

>>95963037
I wouldn't particulary care if cards were printed on pieces of plastics. I wonder if the technology actually exists for that. Paper has some amazing properties to it that might be hard to replace.
I also see potential for crazy 3d textured cards with plastic basics.

>>95964104
It could have, but Konami was chasing the evergreen kodomo market with that because they know they have the addicts locked for life on their trash main game no matter how bad it gets.

>>95964113
Cardboard is the cheapest material, that's why. Plus, ink scrubs off more easily off of plastic. What I wanna see is cards with NFC chips for compatibility with digital apps and AR.

But again, the problem is cost. Cardboard is really cheap.

>>95963990
I played in 2002 and we all tried to replicated Battle City decks in middle school. The first arc didn't really map on but the series grew with us. A year earlier we would read the flavor text to give our vanillas effects and play like duelist kingdom too.

I'm surprised with the rise of DnD that someone hasn't made a Duelist Kingdom card game played with a DM who checks your bullshit with hidden roles and deck manipulation.

>>95964131
Some of the crazier foil cards made by Carta Mundi cost a pretty penny even if you order them in large quantities. Compared to that switching over to plastic shouldn't be too expensive. But compared to the cheapest, most basic cards, yes that's unsustainable.

>>95964102
ah so a fabbot checks out.

>>95964113
Hecatomb tcg was printed on plastic and even in release 2005 was 50% more expensive a pack then any other tcg and was discontinued because muh oil muh afgan war.

>>95964142

>>95964263
This is neat, I'll check it out

>>95964218
your game isnt as good as fab jealous tranny

>>95964289
kek thanks for confirming.

>>95963124
The most affordable TCG is actually Pokemon, people scalping products means a lot of playable cards are actually extremely affordable

I just hate how Milquetoast bandai TCG's are (especially One Piece), they're just super lazy.
Digimon TCG is kinda cool though.

>>95964371
>people scalping products means a lot of playable cards are actually extremely affordable
How does that work? Shouldn't it be the opposite?

>>95964388
Scalpers and collectors want the alt arts

>>95964394
I see.

>>95964394
People MASS open sets, but pokemon prints basically everything base rarity and it costs nothing, but the cards people are chasing are just the alt arts and shit so base rarity stuff is pennies at best.

>>95964432
>>95964371
I wonder if Pokemon's affordability is mostly due to the collector's market and the power of the IP/Brand.

I wonder if other TCGs even stand a chance at having the same model without such a strong IP to back it.

Part of me says, it's purely cause it's the draw power of Pokemon's, but then again, for most of its history, Pokemon was not no.1, not even in Japan. It only got the no.1 spot relatively recently.

>>95964457
The highest rarity (double rare) you need to play the game at a competitive level is the same as Bandai's SRs. And since the company doesn't short print, you have plenty of cards in the market.
>Availability issues
Due to demand. However, the """few""" people who can get boxes open enough ordinary cards (not alt art) to supply the market many times

>>95964371
>people scalping products means a lot of playable cards are actually extremely affordable
Bullshit
>>95964388
It doesn't work.

A scalper is someone that buys a product, preferably at MSRP, with the intention of making a profit by reselling it.
They usually sit on it for ages as an 'investor', or flip it quick.
If they sit on it. The cards in the product are out of circulation till they decide to sell, often long after the majority of cards in them are relevant meta wise. So they are never played.
If they flip it, they are just glorified middlemen that do not affect card circulation other than increasing the price of singles since it now costs more on average to obtain a card.
Only collectors drive the price of cards down by cracking open products to get hits and selling everything else. They increase the supply of singles.

>>95964371
>Digimon TCG is kinda cool though.
Digimon TCG is getting an app to play the game in the future which is good.
Funny how OPTCG doesn't have one and Fusion world's online client didn't port to mobile.

>>95964457
As much as I am loath to admit it, most if not all other tcgs will not be able to do what pokemon does.
Pokemon is cheap because all the 'value' of a product is in alt arts AND the collector to player ratio is incredibly lopsided.
If a game consists mainly of players and playable cards are easy to come by, there would be little to no incentive to open packs after everyone has their playset of game pieces. Most games need rare game pieces to drive sales. Not just alt arts.

>>95964229
>Hecatomb tcg
What the fuck am I looking at? That shape is crazy (bad).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTdo1whuMek

>>95964544
>card images are packaged with the program instead of remotely downloaded
DMCA as soon as they release publicly unless they change this.

>>95964478
At risk of pushing the thread towards an emotional shitstorm, it's worth noting that the invooosters and hoarders don't negatively affect prices if their buying habits are roughly stable. In that case, any sane publisher will scale up production on the assumption of that demand.
The only truly destructive category long term is the free-floating population of opportunist middlemen - the quick flip scalpers who only jump onto a product or category when they notice a bottleneck. Those are the people who fight each other over pokemon at costco. The second supply stabilizes or 3-month ROI drops they bail again, potentially crashing the market on the way out.

>>95964059
>>95964090
t pedophiles

>>95964571
there's no legal difference

>thanks for confirming X
Peak confirmation bias.

>>95962763
It feels like it's even harder than it's ever been before though, especially as partnerships and crossovers continue to happen with the larger existing IPs.

Am I just being pessimistic on that?

>>95964663
I know it's illegal to distribute copyrighted material.
Is it illegal to go to the following link and right-click "Save Image As..."?
https://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/wixoss/card/card_list.php

>>95964059
>weebs and "pedophiles" are what makes wixoss great.
Lol
Good thing you're on 4chan buddy

>>95964695
The difficulty in a game taking off has remained the same but the barrier to entry for publishing a game is a lot smaller now because of crowd funding. And with every game clawing at social media to gain traction, it's that much easier to see them crash

>>95964712
you won't be manually clicking "save as" on every card
some of them aren't on that site

>>95964712
Yes

>>95964759
Obviously. You have the program automatically download from provided urls.
The point is to have deniability. Every other TCG simulator that is alive does this.

>>95964785
plenty got killed even with remote downloads

>>95964605
>invooosters and hoarders don't negatively affect prices if their buying habits are roughly stable. In that case, any sane publisher will scale up production on the assumption of that demand.
That's a lot of ifs and assumptions doing the heavy lifting to make your hypothesis feasible.
I'll keep it short:
Demand is never stable
The ability to scale up to meet additional demand is not a given.
Even if it is true, it would not cause playable cards to be more affordable, which is what was claimed, at best it does nothing. Which is unlikely.
You can argue about the severity, but any way you slice it, there is an impact on supply and prices. To assert otherwise is strange.

I hate living in the US sometimes because it seems every other country can just sell cards and not be afraid of scalpers hoarders or any other weird fuckery
Japan is so perfect....

>>95964478
Lots of people open pokemon product anon, there's a ton of supply. Scalpers just make collectors spend more to buy it, and they're retarded so they do just that.

>>95964479
I'd love to play it digital then, not that it's a bad card game, I just don't have the time/money to play another TCG right now (I'm in on yugioh and lorcana, might pick up riftbound but i'd cap it at that)

>>95965081
Explain to me how scalpers lower card prices.

>>95964571
Oh so thats why Cockatrice does that

>>95965262
Well, that, and because downloading all the hundreds of thousands of unique card images up-front would be dozens of gigabytes.

>>95965089
>I'm in on yugioh
ew

>>95962950
I like cardgames that you move characters around like a boardgame (MiddleEarth ccg, StarWars tcg, Wars Tcg, Animayhem, Arkhan Horror lcg, etc)

If deck building is one of the main mechanics of this game then it probably should be here.
I wish WhiteWolf did something like that for a WorldOfDarkness card game (Vampire, Werewolf, Hunter, etc), like you choose a character and an objective, build a deck for it then play in a board that can be just the map of a small european country, moving your character around the map.
>>95963037
Most card games and paper companies use trees especially planted for it, the industry is mostly self sustained, outside of the chemicals there is no damage to the environment. Also corals and sea shit is more important and are in more danger than tree shit.
>>95964562
It is but the game is good. It is really shit to shuffle those, specially when you are a kid. When your hand gets big enough it is not as bad to shuffle. BTW the "cards" are of that plastic that almost feels like rubber, it feels good in your hand.

>>95965352
>It is but the game is good. It is really shit to shuffle those, specially when you are a kid. When your hand gets big enough it is not as bad to shuffle. BTW the "cards" are of that plastic that almost feels like rubber, it feels good in your hand.
Yes, shuffling seems like the craziest part. I'd constantly drop that kind of shaped deck.

>>95964656
reddit is probably more your speed

>>95964724
yes, this is 4chan glad you noticed m8.

>>95965621
Why don't you have a seat?

>>95962363
Is the gameplay any good? Are you hiding pages of loli trash from me?

>>95965994
Caster gameplay is just duelmasters but color fixing only comes from certain cards but any card can be colorless facedown. the color fixing cards are the "casters" and almost every single one has some sort of ability besides adding mana (tap to draw, tap to down a enemy, etc). They also have level ups where basically your "land" cards can grow stronger, and they can fuse into creatures. The designer of the game always stated it was meant more for casual and thats what he has said whenever people brought up the broken streamlined decks you could make. There are 7 colors all based on the seven deadly sins. The game isnt "good" but its "fun" and yes it has lolis.
>>95965915
im already sitting.

Fusion World Manga Booster is pretty fuckin cool.

>>95966357
Case in point

>>95966421
Hits and a couple regular SRs I liked from a box and 10 blisters. Really like that Chi-Chi art.
This set is kinda addicting to open I feel like I need to open more.

>>95966520

>>95966657
Raditz having 20 Raditz power level? WTF?
Chi-Chi but the image is Goku and Bulma...

Sorry but this looks worse than even the average Bandai slop.

>>95967094
The art is literally straight from the manga you fucking retard.

>>95967122
ok so why didnt they use chichi manga art(?)
genuine question im not the other anon.

>>95967137
It's not Bulma, it's Chi-Chi.
I don't know why Toriyama colored her hair blue in that illustration but he did. Not like it's the first time there was hair color fuckery with him, Trunks and Bulma also have inconsistent hair colors.

>>95967147
Original anon here: The photo made her hair look light blue. But ok, at least on the other image it doesn't look 100% like Bulma.

>>95966520
>>95967091
>4 of 18 chars are recognizable to normie
>Wow I wonder why SWU isn't doing well

>>95967197
the developers are massive fans of the TV shows and this is the second set they've thematically torpedoed as a result

>>95967202
>likes Filonislop
This fag is more pathetic every time I hear of him

>>95965089
>Paying money to play Yu-Gi-Oh TCG
Why would you do this?

>>95967122
I actually like Chi-Chi more with purple hair. She reminds me of Shampoo.

>>95965305
LGS pays me to play it, so why not. (not kidding either)

>>95965132
Because after those goofy ass collectors pay their retard tax to scalpers, they open it and sell off the bulk which is all the playable cards.

>>95966520
>>95967091
Call me when they give the same love to creatures.

Where can I preorder Gundam TCG?
This isn't going to be one of those games where the first set is retardedly hard to get your hands on is it?
I'm so sick of that its like every TCG dude

>>95968080
>This isn't going to be
It is going to be

>>95968080
The multi billion dollar corporations that make these games are pussies and are scared that they'll lose a little bit of money if they print too much.

How do you feel about TCGs that recontextuslize game concepts according to the flavor?

i.e. MTG calling the Deck "Library."

Good?
Or do you prefer things be kept more clear for simplicity (just call it the Deck)?

>>95968228
>more clear for simplicity (just call it the Deck)
Most of the time, unless it makes sense mechanically or in the lore. For example, digimon: when files are "deleted" they go to the "trash"

>>95962363
I hate this. Not because of any sense of prudishness, but I loathe when card art is a portrait of a character on an empty background

>>95968098
>>95968113
EVERY TIME FUCK

>>95964057
No sorry....

>>95965352
The deckbuilding happens mid-game but it feels like a more refined version of codex's whole the deck-building being a simulation of deck-construction/going through your deck than boardgames like dominon/clank

I'll update when I've played more I guess as I think the game is really interesting so far and I wanna see if I can break the one-sided feel of it.

>>95968254
Well, the theming is as follows:
It's a Lane Battler TCG, players take the role of Dreamwalkers within a collapsing Dream, where the struggle is one of Wills.

You summon Vessels, which are constructs of Will made manifest, to one of three psychic Domains within the dream, and each Vessel has a value, which is their Willpower. Player with the higher willpower wins.

It's fairly standard mechanically, I think.

The board is referred to as the Dreamscape, and the resource pool probably "The Well."

Aside from Vessels, other cards you can play include "Memories" which are basically Sorceries/Events, "Artifacts" (think items from Pokemon), and there are also "Techniques" (think the jutsu from Naruto).

I'm debating whether I should refer to the deck as "The Soul" or something like that to keep in line with the theming, and the Discard Pile as "The Abyss" or to just stick to the simplicity for clarity's sake and call them what everyone knows them as.

Graveyard is also out of the question, because the game's theming and flavor, on top of all the Dream stuff is a Gothic Horror setting, so Graveyard is going to be a possible Domain.

>>95968675
Fuck, meant for >>95968249

>>95968675
PLEASE just refer to things as what they are, pasting theme onto random things that we already have names for just makes games less accessible and harder to teach

>>95968675
>>95968682
Since you are referring to the board as Dreamscape and the resources as The Well, might as well go all in.
>The Abyss
I think it's fitting
>The Soul
"Shuffle your soul"
"draw a card from your soul"
"look at the top card from your soul"
Imo, it sounds something between funny and silly

>>95968694
Figured as much.

Then deck, discard pile, and hand it is.

Japanese it's fairly standard with デッキand 手札, the only issue is that the most common word for discard pile is トラッシュ (trash). But honestly, that's probably the one I have licence to flavorize without it being troublesome, so long as it's synonymous with getting rid of things.

>>95968711
In Japanese it would be 心 (kokoro) which is heart/mind/soul. It keeps up with the idea of it being mental and within a dream. You're playing memories and summon constructs that are manifestations of your willpower to wrestle control of the dream. It's all psychic.

>>95968728
I don't know how it sounds in Japanese, but cards telling you to do things with your deck/soul (心) sound funny in English
We are already used to it, but "shuffle your library" sounds silly in English too.
"Okay, let me go to this room/place and shuffle all the books there"

>>95968712
>>95968728
I'm not sure what japanese has to do with your game but the theme sounds pretty weak anon, there's nothing wrong with that but I feel like you are considering the theme way WAY more than any of your players will if this ever makes it to fruition

Interestingly I often see amateur projects with themes of "afterlife" or "dream", I'm not sure what it is about these that seem so appealing to beginner designers but I hate it so much personally

>>95968228
>>95968675
Sounds alright honestly. Using arbitrary words to replace common terminology is only bad when paired with basic card game gameplay, as in if it plays the same as every other card game available, then it gets confusing for people to remember. If the new words are tied properly to the game mechanics and/or card placements, that can help make them stick with players easier and make the game more thematic. Take Netrunner for instance: a Run chooses a lane of cards to go into, the lane itself is known as a Server, and players defend themselves by using ICE which are cards placed sideways blocking the Runner's path.

That said, I think there's merit in trying to fit in common terminology into your theme instead of thinking up new ones as well. For example, Deck can surprisingly fit into the dreaming theme well I think, especially due to tarot cards being made more popular with the Persona games lately.

>>95968751
Well, it could be called "The Heart" in Japanese. In a way, it can makes more sense, because it acts as an emotional metaphor.

>>95968753
It's a bit complicated. I occasionally come to these threads from time to time.

Long story short, I'm an anon living in Japan, and I'm working on getting a manga published. I enjoy TCGs as well. This TCG idea is more of a side project for this manga specifically. Not as a "have to do it goal" but more as a means to organize my ideas as a Worldbuilding project. It's strange, but game design and thinking of things in game terms helps me tie certain Worldbuilding aspects when you get too caught up in Narrative.

Idk if this TCG would ever get made or not, it's more of a "if the manga gets popular, maybe I'll pitch the proposal to my editor and take it from there."

I sometimes come back to work on this idea from time to time in between draft submissions while I wait to hear back from my editor. It's mostly cause I enjoy game design, and it's a neat WBing exercise, especially when it comes to designing cards and such. I get to think more deeply about the types of people who live in this setting outside of the main characters.

>>95968810
>I'm working on getting a manga published
If your manga gets published, let us know about it

>>95968832
I will.

It'll would be on Weekly Shounen Magazine if it does. General pitch would "Bloodborne, but as a Shounen manga." That's why all the Dream stuff and gothic horror vibes.

I've basically gotten a soft green light from the EiC. He likes the concept a lot from the pilot I submitted 18 months ago. He just told my editor to make me redo it as many times as it takes till it's perfect. So that's where I'm at right now. Redrawing Ch.1 over and over again, and planning out the larger story and world as we figure things out.

>>95968810
Being tied to a story makes unique terminology more recommendable I think, because readers would be able to link those words to scenes from the manga. Good luck on getting published anon

>>95968852
>Weekly Shounen Magazine
>soft green light from the Ei
Congrats, anon! I hope all goes well
>Shounen manga
All the "recent" big ones had awful endings, making me think of the authors as retards with less than a single brain cell. The endings made me hate the authors enough to curse their entire families, friends, and ancestors. So unless you want a random, from-the-other-side-of-the-world, anon meaningless hate, write a good ending

>>95968904
>>95968855
Thanks. I'll do my best to write something people can consider worthwhile. First I gotta write a great opening chapter though.

>>95969089
Protip: include at least one cat

>>95969264
>at least
How many do you really want?

>>95968712
I've seen 山札 for deck a lot as well. I'm not sure which is more common between 山札 and デッキ
In the case of Duel Masters, the deck as the zone your draw cards from is 山札, while the deck as the collection of cards you start the game with is デッキ

>>95969264
Last draft had a cat.

>>95969322
That's an interesting distinction. I wonder if the deck could just be called deck, but the area it goes "the heart."

>>95968810
>Za Haarto

>>95968228
In small amounts it's fine but Metazoo was obnoxious with you had to "bookmark" "pages" from your "spellbook" to your "chapter"

>>95967617
And those collectors wouldn't have done that without scalpers?

>>95967091

>>95968675
isnt this just Dreamblade..

No way they're adding Glorp Shitto to SWU?

>>95969274
ALL of them ^_^
>>95969546
>Last draft had a cat.
Delightful!

FUCKFAB

>>95970896
New announcement in July. Could you at least save your schizoposting until then?

FUCKFAB

Sorry the only thing I read in WSM is Ranger Reject. When is Fighter D getting a card game???

>>95971193
never thanks to season 2 shitting the bed.

>>95970361
Similar, apparently, but Dreamblade there are only 2 types of miniatures: Creatures and locations. There isn't sorcery/instant/artifact or whatever anon is dreaming about.

>>95968810
Rooting for you anon!

>>95973424
Thank you!

>>95973217
>>95970361
I took a glance at Dreamblade, but I'll give a brief rundown on what the game is meant to be like.

Several months ago, I remember sharing the game idea on here. Essentially, it's kinda like Marvel Snap in that you have three locations you're trying to win over before the turn counter counts down to Zero. So there is no life points or anything like that, your goal is to get as many points as you can to win 2/3 Locations, while reducing the number of points on your opponent's side.

I remember this idea also being laughed at a little on here, before other people pointed out the system actually predates Marvel Snap as well, and that THAT game copied this other game, I forget the name of the game, and that the system in general is pretty good.

And I have to agree, the way tempo builds to this really climactic final turn keeps things exciting, and keep you on the edge all the way to the end.

Now, where this differs from Marvel Snap, the shared turn is obviously gone. Earlier versions of the game had some sort of take on that, but I ended up scrapping it for the DM-like standard 3 Phase turn structure, and made sure that the Final Phase, the combat phase is highly interactive. Which was my main goal with the game actually. I wanted a game where Decision-making, strategy, and skill expression heavily outweighed luck in the outcome. So as a result, combat is the most dynamic and interactive part of the game, by a long shot.

Essentially, the game is taking influence from other TCG as well, including Pokemon, MtG's combat, and Naruto CCG in some ways.

Like Pokemon, you can put as many basic grade "Units" (they're called Vessels now), in the board as you want. And the the "Supporter/Event" card (now called Memories) is a hard ONLY ONCE PER turn. Additionally, like Pokemon, AND Battle Spirits, like you see here >>95968810 you have to charge your Vessels in order unlock their Abilities, which includes attacks.

>>95974719
So think of Duel Masters, where every card is a resource, but rather than tapping mana to pay for the cost of cards, you tap Mana to "attach energy" to your units, which lets you tap them, to either use their abilities or attack during phase three. But tapping them, is what leaves them vulnerable to attack. And because Units are what you use to contest the locations, it's a bit of a strategic balancing act trying to further your strategy, while also protecting yourself as best as you can.

As for combat. like MTG, any unrested unit can block, and there are also "Technique" cards. Think of th Jutsu from Naruto. Or, just think of Instant Speed combat tricks, or Hand Traps from Yugioh. Except they're tied to the units. This is what makes the combat way interactive, as its this constant back and forth of managing resources, bluffing, and timing your plays correctly, while trying to have the most points before the end of the final turn.

I think I'm being a little abstract, but hopefully I got the ideas across clearly. I'll share the pdf on here later when its ready in case other people wanna try it. That way it's also easier to understand in was that isn't saying "think of this game, but X" constantly.

As for the Dream stuff, that's more of a new thing, as I tried to tie the game system better to the IP. I quite liked the way the system played, but with terms like "units" and stuff it felt more military than gothic horror. However, once I renamed the unit cards into Vessels it all clicked perfectly.

It also cleared up a qualm I had about having multiple instances of a named character on the board. I mentioned this last thread when asking about One Piece actually. However, if they're Vessels, then it's perfectly in lore. It's the character, it's aspect of the character within the dream. It's from there that all the dream stuff started to click into place better. It justifies a lot of things, and blends so well with the lore of the IP.

>>95968810
Sounds like your life is pretty interesting anon. Good luck, you definitely have a better chance by virtue of living in Japan (Specifically for the TCG publishing) but I still think it's pretty much a pipedream.

Normally I am a horrible pessimistic cunt for things like this but I'll just offer one piece of advice instead. Every single decision you make with a card/boardgame is one that the players will have to carry with them for the rest of time when trying to get others into the game, making it as easy for them to "sell" and teach the game to others is really important.

I remember I tried to teach someone Netrunner last year after a long time of never introducing anyone and it was just an absolute wash, all the stupid different terms for everything just made it unteachable and after we just played star realms instead lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54u6t22xcCM

>>95974741
>and there are also "Technique" cards... Except they're tied to the units.
My first thought is what's the player's options for when their hand gets filled with techniques and no units? Also, is combat closer to the Ultraman card game where you're just comparing power and declare the one with the higher power wins the location for that round, than it is to the usual monster kills monster type of combat?

>>95975877
>My first thought is what's the player's options for when their hand gets filled with techniques and no units?
Then they use Artifacts and Memories to search for them like in Pokemon. Artifacts, like Items in Pokemon are low impact, cost free, and unlimted use per turn, but cannot be recyled.

You don't lose rules-wise if you have no units on board, the turn that matters the most is the final one.

>>95975877
> Also, is combat closer to the Ultraman card game where you're just comparing power [...]

You don't compare power for combat. It's more like Pokemon, where the individual abilties deal different amounts of damage to a VIT stat. However, unlike Pokemon, you have multple attackers, and Damage isn't persistent. It resets at the end of turn like in MtG.

Unlike in MtG though, and more like Duel Masters, you can target "tapped" Units in order to attack them.

Blocking is universal though, and the only requirement is that units be unrested.

So just to paint a scenario:

At the Cathedral Domain, player A has one rested Vessel because it used its ability last turn, that said "draw one card" and one unrested Vessel with 3 Vitality.

Player B (the attacker) has 2 Vessels both charged with 1 "Will"

Both have an Attack Ability that says "deal 1 damage to target Vessel"

Player B declares an attack with one of his Vessels, targeting the rested Vessel.
Player A choses to block with his unrested Vessel.
Damage resolves, His defending Vessel now has 2 Vit, but the rested Vessel is safe.
However, the defending Vessel is now rested.
Player B declares another attack on the weak rested Vessel using his damage dealing ability on his attacking Vessel.
Player A responds by playing a Techinque which "unrested target vessel you own" and unrests his defending Vessel. Then blocks with that defending vessel.
Defending Vessel now has 1 VIT, but the weak rested Vessel is now safe.
Player B has now more options at that domain, thus they pass the turn. Damage resets, and on the Standby next turn, the Vessels for player A untap. Meanwhile the Vessels for player B remain tapped and vulnerable to a counterattack.


The Willpower of a Vessel doesn't determine damage, it's done on a per-ability basis. Willpower is simply how influence the Vessel has on that Domain. Ergo, how many points you have at that domain total.

To the lorcana fags in the chat:

Are you upset by rotation? Do you think it'll hurt the game?

I wish they waited at least 1 more year for rotation

>>95975248
I got no idea what a jashin is but the cards look cool

>>95976096
I think it'll help break up the meta, and I think that's something welcome (at least, to me). There's nothing worse than having to constantly play against the same deck in a tournament, over and over again. Some parts of it suck, like having the money you spent on singles from set 1-4 go to waste, but I think it'll give the game more longevity in the long term.

>>95976497
Oh, and don't forget the fact that they'll also be adding Legacy tournaments to the mix, plus you can always keep using older cards for kitchen table play, and they could always reprint the older cards in a future set.

>>95974719
>>95974741
you should look up the rules and theme of dreamblade your like 70% just dreamblade except cards instead of minis (with cards on the bottom).

>marvel snap mentioned
based. an amazing game held back by the worst monetization known to man.

fuck brode

>Tickets for a one piece regional go on sale at 9
>Sitting infront of the computer a couple minutes earlier and start refreshing shortly before 9
>"Your number in line: 960"
I already soft-quit the game because of this but I'm so done with this shit now. Bandai is keeping these events small because they are cheap bastards and don't care about regions outside of japan. They could make every regional a 2k player event and it would sell out everytime.

>>95976698
>call ICE
>easy entry to regional as everyone gets deported
>top 8 with ease

>"Bro, Azalea is Living Legend'd this nationals season! Say goodbye to the first ranger. The cult is gonna backflip off a cliff!"
>the meta spits out boardstates and arcane damage everywhere with no clear dominant deck for her to counter

Thank god. Maybe she'll have enough time with sarongs afterall. If she outlives her deathdealer build and becomes something completely unexpected I couldn't be happier, really.

>poocana players

>>95977525
>she'll have enough time with sarongs afterall. (More blue heavy Az)
>Death Dealer not cutting it anymore
>The cult is gonna backflip off a cliff!

My live reaction.

>>95977709
The guy with Mickey and Minnie on his shoulders made me smile. I wonder which one gives him good/evil influence?

>>95964371
I miss BSS, it was the best Bandai TCG I played. Shame it didn't last long enough in the west to get a ton of unique mechanics.

>>95964457
I'm not sure what about Pokemon has catapulted it up recently, even in the west. The competitive scene is having a bit of a renaissance in the last few years. Most people seem to agree that card design is in a really good spot now as well.

Is summoning sickness a mechanic that still needs to exist in modern card games?

>>95977936
I think there's a place for it. Without summoning sickness it encourages the type of design where cards need to have immediate impact on the board to be viable because there is less of an expectation for cards to be able to stay on the board.
And it probably helps curb some of the more subtle problems like the 1 cost problem.
But I do agree it feels antiquated. I wonder what was the original design rationale for it.

>>95977936
It just lets designers create a greater delay between playing a card and having it fully affect the board. And that delay can be adjusted, on a case by case basis, via abilities like haste/rush, on-play effects, or passive effects like blocker/taunt. You could design a game around working either way, but they'd be very different games.

You can even create a larger delay, like a card that is played but doesn't take effect until 2 or even 3 turns later. You wouldn't want to base a game around that as a core mechanic unless turns went very very fast, because otherwise it'd take all day to play, but you can do it.

>>95977936
It telegraphs a threat and allows the other player to react. It's good game design because the game is more interactive.

>>95977525
Prism and Bones in the finals, the Pirate took it. No shit, LSS has a soft spot for board builders and arcaniggas.

>>95961990
Wixoss somehow did it, but one can argue that they are their own tie-in for the anime, and get into heated chicken-and-egg debates over it.

>>95961990
Metazoo and Fab did it. Also, most tcgs are niche depending on your criteria.
>>95978117
There was also Build Divide, but I wonder how it's doing nowadays. Dying, I would imagine.

>>95978117
Wixoss is from 2014, in the same general generation as Vanguard and Buddyfight (basically the last gasps of originality out of Japan).
Over here, FAB is the obvious torch-bearer for original ideas.
I fucking hate collabshit btw.

>>95978117
Wixoss got it right by having fun gameplay and an anime girls for every fetish. All the failgames just have Kickstarter promises and no tie-in media

>>95976497
>>95976505
I like rotations, I just wish it was the last 2 years of sets instead of just 1. Feels a bit bad to buy cards right now because of it.

I just want to play a tamatoa item slop deck still

>>95977792
I fucking loved it, it's a shame they were retarded and released it THE SAME MONTH as One Piece.

>>95978782
Lorcana is rotating every year?
That's crazy. No casual is going to be okay with that.

>>95978782
Yeah imagine dropping $400 on a playset of Enchanted Bolt and now he'll no longer be evergreen haha...

>>95978876
they are reprinting some cards every rotation
set 9 is confirmed to have a ton of reprints

>>95979281
I think I heard that it'll be almost half reprints. I guess all the new ones will be A Goofy Movie.

>>95979293
Yeah its probably going like this
>1 year of new sets with new cards
>remove 4 sets at one point
>release a ser with reprints
>repeat every year

>>95978782
>I like rotations, I just wish it was the last 2 years of sets instead of just 1.
Why would you want them to rotate a whole 2 years? Then set 9 would be the only legal set you could buy, and the cardpool would be miniscule. That feels even worse to me. You might as well be starting a whole new game at that point.

>>95979311
I think he meant roate every 2 years not the whole 2 years

>>95979293
>almost half reprints.
lamest possible way to do rotation

>>95979305
I wouldn't mind if it went like that, but I hope it'll be more like:
>remove the first 4 sets
>release set 9 with reprints from set 1-4, with half the set being reprints
>remove set 5
>release set 10 with reprints from set 5, with an eighth of the set being reprints, plus maybe a few scattered reprints from sets 1 to 4 to help bolster the current meta
>remove set 6
>release set 11 with reprints from set 6, etc., etc.
I think that would be better than having to deal with a huge chunk of reprints once a year. Just space them out so they don't take too many slots away from the new cards.

>>95979331
I don't like it much either, but I hope they only do that once, just to cover that 4 set gap. After that, just add a few reprints with each new set as the others cycle out.

>>95979293
>a goofy movie
I may have to buy lorcana

>>95979316
If that's what he meant, it would make more sense, sure. I'd rather the cycling happen in smaller chunks, but maybe that's just me.

>>95979384
Sometimes, that's a powerline you just have to cross.

>>95979384
I kind of hope they include Peg and Pistol so they don't have to do a full new set just to include Goof Troop.

>>95979316
>>95979392
>>95979311
Yeah, I meant cycling out set 1-4 when set 12(?) comes out, rather than set 9.

Then we wouldn't need yearly reprint sets FILLED with 50% reprints

But its still a new game and I'm glad they're experimenting with something.

>>95979293
>Fab led the way
You can say that again

>>95979492
What? I didn't say anything about-
>Fabled
Oh.

...Fuck you, man. I didn't want to laugh at a joke that dumb.

>>95979453
>we wouldn't need yearly reprint sets FILLED with 50% reprints
This was never needed. They're just managing the card pool badly.

>>95964263
>see creators names
>immediately know

>>95964388
>>95964478
A significant portion of Pokemon TCG buyers do not actually play the game. /vp/ actually has separate threads for TCG players and collectors. Last I checked the collecting one was more active.

>>95979891
How is it that none of the people attempting to explain those anons questions ACTUALLY answer the question?
Your reply has NOTHING to do with scalping.

>>95977709
>2 of 32 successful decks from top 8 worlds players don't have Purple or Blue
Press S for Mim/Merlin and Tamatoa/Dime at rotation

>>95979891
Pokemon has a ton of people playing, they're just all children. The idea that most people buy pokemon solely to invest is insane cope from mtg players unable to admit that their game isn't number 1.

>>95964263
looks neat
>pronouns
disappointed

>>95980345
Not investors but collectors.

>>95980345
Yu-Gi-Oh players drop the same coie constantly as well. But if you go to the Google Play Store, both Pokemon TCG apps rank higher than Master Duel and Arena.

>>95961943
So you're either cool and fuckable or degenerate and scary? Are decks even varied much outside of that?

>>95981464
I'll level with you, I was maybe 15 or 16 at the time and didn't have a ton of pocket money for it, plus I got it at a store that was in an area that I was seldom able to travel to, and most of my money was being spent on other games around that time. I don't believe I ever bought more than the starter decks and a few boosters, so I can't really call myself an expert on the full gameplay experience. I only got a shallow taste of the basic starter stuff, but the game didn't seem to be all that deep anyhow. Then, next time I found myself at that store, the game had already been pulled from the shelf. I wish I could tell you more about it, but that's as much as I know.
I wonder if there's a web archive of all the cards out there somewhere? That might give you some answers.

>>95980345
But gameplay wise the pokemon tcg is genuine shit

>>95981868
You've obviously never played it.

>>95981980
Not him, but I've played PTCG Live for around 5 months and it was pretty boring. Played a few games irl with one of my friends that plays competitively, borrowed one of his meta decks. The games were pretty bad. Who ever was able to set up faster ended winning.

>>95982032
I've been playing Live since it came out, and I disagree. It's one of the few TCG out there that actually rewards long term planning and good decision-making.

>>95981980
I play these sets of cards that stack energy on my bench mons then deploy this dude who kills 3 of your dudes, wow so fucking fun

>>95982178
Then I iono you, and take your dude down, equalizing the prize race, and forcing you to have to set up again. Then as you try to get your dude up again, I boss up your stage 1, and put you in an impossible situation.

The game has a lot of strategy involved. Knowing how maneuver around common traps and disruptions, and sequencing your playa correctly. Forcing your opponent into situations where it's harder to win, and punishing them for rushing to their WinCon without properly building up backups, or for burning through all their resources making the endgame more brutal if they get Ionoed down to 1 prize.

>>95982214
You described every TCG shilled in this gen you poketard scum

>>95982248
Maybe you should play more TCGs instead of crying about them constantly.

>>95982260
this thread stopped being about playing games and became about bitching about them a few years back. thank our curator for that.

I bought a bunch of starter decks and booster boxes for On the Edge because they were cheap and I like the setting. Can't convince my friends to run a draft league though so it might have been for naught.

>>95982260
Dont call pokemon a good card game its boring as shit compared to yugioh or magic.

>>95983465
I disagree. It's much better than those two. The deck diversity, tournament participation, and overall sales prove it. Right now, Pokemon is the best of the big 3.

I didn't realize pokemon was an acg

>>95961674 (OP)
I miss FMA TCG.
I remember opening this hundred dollar-at-the-time fuck 20 years ago from a free pack.

>>95983481
yes yes and smash is the best fighting game and bieber or boy bands or w/e are the best music
thanks for reminding us o wise anon how the world works

Crazy nigga played Yen Sid at Worlds - and won.

>>95983666
>oh, hai satan.
Huh. Doesn't even look like that crazy of a deck, either. All solid cards, but the underlying strategy isn't obvious. He must be mad efficient at playing it reliably. I wouldn't mind seeing it in action.

>>95983605
My friend and I got some starter decks and some bulk several months back and had a fun time with it, but a lot of the cards seem hard to get now.

>>95983619
I didn't say it was the best. I said it was better then YuGayHoe and Tranny the Pandering.

>>95984019
People use the slightest excuse in these threads to say a lot of out-of-pocket shit. Best to be prepared to have any opinion you have attacked viciously and for no good reason. No positivity can escape this hellhole.

>>95984125
We have to use our heckin toolerinos!

>>95984360
kek

>>95984125
it was fine until the (((curator))) now there is zero reason to. you made your bed, lie in it.

>>95983465
Not the other anon in the argument, but I want to chime in. If you are comparing the top-3 TCG, I want to mention that Magic is easily the worst game. I will accept someone who argues that Yugioh is better than PokemonTCG, but the argument 'Magic is better than PokemonTCG' is one I strongly disagree with. Magic in current-year is complete dog-water. The whole experience, the gameplay itself, the playerbase. Commander is toxic pubstomping bullshit, Standard is unbalanced trash. Magic is literally unplayable, and people be out here like "At least it's better than Pokemon" like come on.

>>95984730
I can't agree with anyone saying that Yu-Gi-Oh is better than anything either. The game is a literal coin flip where if you win you play solitaire and win the game. It's the least interactive game out of all of them, and the decks are outrageously overpriced. Konami also rotates the formats the fastest arbitrarily banning cards to force people to switch to the latest shilled meta under the guise of "balance." It's a perfectly designed skinner box to keep people spending abd coming back thinking "if only they did days then Yu-Gi-Oh would be good!" But Yu-Gi-Oh is bad by design.

Idk if Magic is better or not as it has its equal share of stupid problems, but I think we can agree that both of them are complete dogshit abd the industry would better off if both died. Anyone saying that either one is better than Pokemon is a complete and utter moron. If Yu-Gi-Oh and MtG were more like Pokemon then they might actually be decent games.

At least we can all agree that, in theory, the big 3 should be good, given their basic rulesets, but due to the cards printed and what sort of games you get with those cards they're not, which is why we're commiserating here in the other game thread.

>>95984970
>the big 3 should be good, given their basic rulesets
>mtg
>no lands: lose
>only lands: lose
It was the first big tcg so it has some design flaws

>>95984979
Unironically Duel Masters is MtG but fixed.
No wonder every game copies it.

>>95984999
And Pokemon. Prizes became Shields.
Basically, WotC designed both MtG and Pokemon, then TT looked at both of those and learned from their mistakes to make the immaculate game.

>>95984883
>It's the least interactive game out of all of them
This is a lie and you know. 1 Yugioh match has more interaction than an entire Pokemon regional.

>>95985032
>TT looked at both of those
Game design is actually still WotC. TT mainly just publishes (maybe they do other stuff too like organizing art). Even today, there are at least like 6 WotC guys in Seattle that design the cards before I assume they send them over to the Japanese WotC guys to finalize flavor and Japanese card text and stuff.
I would love if there were any actual proper interviews with the English speaking WotC guys making the game because the exact details of the process are pretty much unknown. Though maybe they wouldn't want to because they might start shit talking their bosses for not releasing the game they're making in the country that they fucking live in.

>>95985049
Anon. Using Ash Blossom on the memorized choke point and praying they don't have an extender isn't interaction.

Card games that involve non-traditional tools/game components?

>>95985245
I don't know if this is a controversial opinion or not, but I think card games requiring anything more than the cards in your deck is cringe. This includes "token" cards.

>>95985268
Go play poker then

>>95985313
Poker requires poker chips.

>>95985268
I can accept some stuff like Gundam's generic base, tokens, and resources, but I hate using dice

>>95985232
Then what is interaction? Your opponent attaches an Energy to a Pokemon in their bench, uses cards to fix their hand and plays a few Pokemon, then swings with Budew to limit your options?

>>95985268
I don't mind counters for stuff like tracking buffs/damage/etc. but other than that I agree with you.

>>95985353
You know you can have interaction outside of interruption and instant speed cards, right? The fact that you're constantly adjusting and manipulating your strategy turn by turn depending on your opponent's plays, means the entire game from start to finish is interactive. Pokemon is a two player game and it understands this. No two ganes are the same as everything depends on how both players play.

Meanwhile 90% of Yu-Gi-Oh duels with the same deck are nearly identical regardless of matchups as you just do the same fucking combo every single duel over and over and over again. And if you get interrupted, you extend, or you pray they bricked and scoop when they don't.

Yu-Gi-Oh is the LEAST interactive I've seen any TCG be, ever. Even with handtraps. The hand trails do nothing to add to the decision-making, it's just a flowchart. Meanwhile if you get Bossed ir Ionoed, your next play Next turn has dozens of different choices and depends on infinite factors. I could tell you EXACTLY what X deck should do if they get Ashed or Impermed. I cannot do the same for Pokemon because EVERYTHING in Pokemon depends on board state and context and what the opponents is doing, has done, and is trying to do.

>>95985425
>tfw this wasn't always true
Fuck Konami

>>95983605
man, i literally rewatched this a few days ago.

>>95985268
That's an autistic take if I've ever heard one

PSA
yuyu-tei now offering international shipping with EMS

>>95986375
Huge. Too bad they are always out of stock of like every sealed product.

>>95984019
>>95984125
except both of you should read what he said.
>poke is best of big 3
>meta
>tourny numbers
>$$$
>PROVE IT
which is basically just an appeal to popularity metrics, which is exactly what you would do if you wanted to "prove" the shit I said was true and it would be just as effective and just as meaningful
>waaaah this thread has a problem with my flimsy bullshit

>>95984979
Which is why the mulligan rule exists. And the main purpose of lands is in the color access anyway, decks that wanna play more colors suffer even more from land variance that can brick their hand than monocolor decks that only care about flooding. So maybe the design flaw is an intended feature instead?

Why is Gill Lapis in the current FoW set? Didnt Zeus and Typhon kill everyone in the sets before the Hero Cluster?

YOOOO, LGS sent me a text:
>Since you keep calling and asking about Neopets we ordered set 3. We have starter decks, sealed boxes, and packs in stock now!
My persistence paid off. Hooray!

>>95988938
Who the fuck is actually playing that?

Who is that for?

>>95988938
That's cool bro I hope you can jumpstart some kind of community. Around here its just nostalgic 30 year old chicks and their manslave buying these packs.

>>95981464
It might be the most realistic game of all time.

>>95988946
>Who the fuck is actually playing that?
Me! ^_^
>Who is that for?
Also me! ^_^
>>95989018
That's my goal. I have quite a bit of bulk from the first two sets already, so hopefully I can use it to make teaching decks that I can give away to people.

>>95981464
https://cardgamegeek.com/database/games/austin-powers/cards search=%7B%22menu%22%3A%7B%22facets.set.name%22%3A%5B%22The%20Spy%20Who%20Shagged%20Me%22%5D%7D%7D

Seeing as some card-printing companies will straight up print still in production Magic/PokéMon cards, I don't see why one wouldn't do a run of every AP card, for the right price. I know I've considered getting some of the Bakugan TCG cards printed for myself, if I every find someone interested in playing that game with me.

>catbros LGS are so morally evil they enable AND encourage his behaviour
Kind of based actually tbqh

English version in 2nd half of 2025

???

>>95989652
>first TCG to break the Big 3
Did that actually happen?

>>95989660
Based on some ICV2 report

>>95989688
>magic over pokemon
Looks like bullshit to me.

>>95989688
>Yu-Gi-Oh dropped to 4 in the west too
It's so over...

>>95989652
What was this announcement he was so concerned about?

>>95989694 (Me)
Actually I just considered that the recent Magic set is Final Fantasy so I guess it makes sense for it to temporarily take the top spot.

>>95989725
ICv2 always makes up bullshit metrics to put MTG > Pokemon. I swear Hasbro bribes them or something.

>>95989703
That was in 2024 anon. Lorcana went off a cliff after that.
Although OP may have beaten it by now. Who knows.

>>95989688
fabfucks, we need to do better

>>95989725
It's a chart from 2024 and the FF set came out summer of this year

>>95990035
Right. I assume it's just this >>95989766 then.

>>95989766
>>95990045
Magic: The Gathering is supreme! SUPREME!

>>95989652
Radio silent? they just changed everything to be best of 3 finally, how is that bad?

>>95975151
>I remember I tried to teach someone Netrunner last year after a long time of never introducing anyone and it was just an absolute wash, all the stupid different terms for everything just made it unteachable
Teach them the basics and then the terms. It's not that hard.

Stack/R&D -> Deck
Grip/HQ -> Hand
Heap/Archives -> "Graveyard"/discard.

Both sides have special terms, but the special terms interact with the others:

ICE->ICEBreakers (Programs) will BREAK these ICE.
Hardware/Assets -> Same idea, just functions slightly differently.
Resources/Upgrades -> Same idea, but Upgrades hang around temporary (Runner can trash) while Resources generally will hang around all game unless something happens that changes them.

>>95981868
That doesn't matter to kids.

>>95981980
As someone that HAS played it (and threw in the towel on the Live client): It IS dogshit. It's massively unbalanced and has been since the 1990's. The Pokemon TCG base design would need a MASSIVE overhaul to be properly balanced and have interaction between both players instead of changing first-players "can attack" to "no attack."

You can cheat out massive energy gains and draw your entire deck in the first turn and the base rules are flagrantly ignored now a days.

>>95989652
>Double negative
ESL King

>>95990094
It actually is hard because most people aren't just wired to randomly accept and remember shite jargon you throw at them but go off I guess

Are there any tcgs like Cardfight Vanguard where you don't have to put cards into some enery zone and you don't have triggers?

Death stranding really would work well as a card game. Closest thing i can think of is EBRangers for personal scale or MiddleECCG for the wider scope. Both are about world building and earth traversal.

>>95990253
>Death stranding really would work well as a card game
......Lol
Fuck no

>>95990253
POG the based retard is awake

>>95989688
I dont see how digimon is lower then star wars. or fab. i mean it even has its own general.

>>95990116
>You can cheat out massive energy gains
No problem here, it reduces the dependability on Energy cards since they're highly searchable. You only need as much energy as you'll use, and different decks have different ways with how to interact with energy. I actually quite like how it's handled in Pokemon a lot actually.


>and draw your entire deck
Multiple times actually, cause of cards like Iono. I don't see the issue here. It reduces luck factor as it's not about WHAT you draw, but how you use your limited resources. The deck is there to give variability to the start of the game, luck is utilized more as a punishment for over extending with cards like Iono and Marnie.

>I played it!
Not very well, evidently.

>>95990253
>first game has like 10 named characters
>sequel features the ones you thought you had killed in the first game already
lol
lmao even

>OPTCG starters have an additional extra booster pack in them
Are these extra booster packs known to be filtered in any way? As in that they're not likely to contain the best hits that for example a full case could contain? Can you open the top hits from these?

>>95990173
What double negative?

>>95990383
I guess 'active community' is not equal to 'dollars spent'.

>>95990889
Also SW is a much bigger IP. It really shouldn't come as much of a shock.

>>95989688

>>95991032
magic namba wun!

>>95991109
That's not what that chart says brainlet-kun.

>>95990569
Highly doubt it.

>>95990256
That's just like your opinion, man. The concept of getting vital packages to remote destinations, unmolested by hostile people creatures or obstacles, all while you manage your equipment integrity and power from harsh conditions to bridge settlements sounds cool to me.

>>95990276
Fellow ludens enjoyer or salty tendie, I'm not certain. Either way nice to have you too. Keep on keeping on.

>>95990538
I mean yes, the main cast was about as many people, but you had a nation of service men and preppers on top of that to flesh out the world. Your second point is um spoiler sensitive let's say, but who can keep a good villain like Higgs down? He's Sam's Ocelot. To that point, I'm not sure how that's chuckle worthy. Returning cast in the sequel is actually properly used.


Look I get it, a game where you throw pee grenades at umbilical-bound souls of the damned while you deliver a metric ton of horse tranquilizers to elderly doomsday preppers, thanks to a magical baby in a terrarium that sees dead people, your fresh-faced teleporting gilf love interest, Guillermo Del Toro raring for shower chats and a zealous yet suspiciously wealthy company that harnesses the power of wireless photon printers to finance your expedition all just to push megaband internet on the destitute unwashed masses was not perceived to be a viable video game experience when it debuted to the world pre-covid, yet despite that fact Kojimbo believed in it enough to make that crazy fever dream a reality and now everyone can't get enough of Norman Reedus crying indiscriminately on the camera while fucked up undead whales float upside-down overhead. Simply imagine all of this in card form... La Creatividad could pull this off.

>>95991401
>The concept of getting vital packages to remote destinations, unmolested by hostile people creatures or obstacles, all while you manage your equipment integrity and power from harsh conditions to bridge settlements sounds cool to me
I agree, but for a board game

>>95991445
I mean the miniatures would be fucking sweet, to be sure, but I believe in the power of cardboard rectangles too. You can make just about anything a card game, if you put your drug stimulated mind to it.

>>95991032
Man Lorcana did really fall off huh.
Not as bad as Vanguard my old favorite though. God I miss 2011-2015

>>95991401
>>95991445
Better a Board game than anything else tabletop.

But I also will say Death Stranding is a life changing experience if you get past the boring ass first 5 hours. Chapter 4 onward is masterful and perfect until the last second of the credits.

I have 0 idea how sony gave this guy a blank check, or how any big name actor signed up with him to work on this fucking thing, or how any of his developers even sided with him because the gameplay is borderline esoteric, but it's peak.

>>95991668
Whenever I play old vanguard with friends I'm reminded that it was more the vibe than the game itself. New episodes every week teasing new cards was such a massive boon for the fanbase.

>>95991668
I hope it comes back up after set rotation begins.

>>95991401
I just don't think that the IP can support a TCG with over 150 cards per year, without delving into lots of headcanon OC for the card game. Straying away from a source material matters a lot with a not-so-established IP like that.

>>95991682
They still advertise new cards in the show, it's just completely soulless now because there haven't been likable characters since ~2020

>>95991032
>Wixoss mentioned!
Wow! FaB is doing a lot worse than i would have imagined.
So is GA and WS.

>>95991823
>FaB is doing a lot worse than i would have imagined
They are short-printing to keep investorfags happy and keep the scam going

>>95991847
Even with an increased print run FaB wouldn't be selling too much better than what they're currently selling. The game just isn't big enough.

>>95991696
Rotation shakes off some old players without really drawing in new ones. It boosts the long-term health of the game, so it's better for player numbers in the long run than the null case, but I don't think I've ever seen a case where a rotation suddenly boosted player numbers except where it was also a product re-launch or just a long running game like Magic where a meta everyone hated was finally over and old players came back.

>>95991863
>The game just isn't big enough.
That's kinda blackpilling. I'm no fabgot, but I thought at least one original game made it big and escaped being niche. Crazy how much bigger the real big boys are. Pray for wixoss everyone.

>>95990222
wdym by triggers? and for games without energy cards, there's Netrunner where your resources are counted in credits, represented by tokens and coins and shit, and Clicks, amount of actions you can take per turn tracked with either a card and a token or just out loud; and Ashes, where your energy are dice you start the game with and roll at the start of every round. Pretty cool systems, recommend you check them out.

>>95992169
>Pray for wixoss everyone
I'm every day

>>95992169
FaB is growing steadily still. It went through a handful of bad things like launching at the same time as covid struck Covid and a few miscalculated print runs, and it also has to fight for itself by not being attached to a preexisting IP, but it's gaining popularity. It will have a decently long run for sure.

>>95992221
FoW has a long run

>>95992025
I think the kinds of players you shake off with rotation though are also the toxic kind of players you likely don't want to have in your game anyway. If a player is so pissed you clearly telegraphed they would have a limited time to do their degenerate overpowered shit, that they leave when the cards leave the format, rather than being excited to explore the new potential in a lower powered environment and getting to try new decks, this means they never really enjoyed your game all that much anyway, and likely didn't buy much product either. They just enjoyed making the game miserable for others by dominating their overpowered strategy.

Like, as long as the price of building a new deck is cheap, and you have a lost of staples that basically never rotate, I don't see why most players should be all that pissed. Especially if you also offer an eternal format where they can migrate to if they want to keep playing with their deck.

>>95992351
It's not about people rageshitting and throwing their cards, it's the casual/marginal players who were already inconsistent players or kind of drifting away, and/or who were mainly sticking around because of social momentum. Or those were already looking for an off-ramp, or were down to just 1 deck/archetype they liked, or realized at some point they didn't really like the game that much but had lingered around anyways.

Give the tree a sufficient shake, and a lot of those people naturally fall out.

>>95992392
NTA, but if these players were already looking for an excuse to leave the game, they weren't buying new cards nor building new decks.
As long as the locals don't die because of them, it doesn't hurt the company

>>95992413
>>95992392
Plus those players typically return once new exciting product is revealed midway through a new series.

>>95976125
>jashin
Wicked/Vile God

>>95992221
FaB primarily has onboarding problems at the moment. It's still very expensive despite reprints and has essentially no casual scene, so new players interested in the game have to be willing to both drop a hefty chunk of cash as well as get their face beat in for weeks or even months at their locals while they learn the game. There's people that thrive on this, and the game caters heavily to that kind of competitive person, but it's offputting for many.

>>95983933
I still have a big collection in a box somewhere. Was the first card game I actually could win in. I miss that stupid game.

>>95991032
how the fuck is GA doing better then every other weeb game (not a big IP) including weiss.

>>95991032
>>95989766
>>95990035
Maybe it is just counting preselles of the FF set. (Also Secret Lairs) It makes sense that mtg sold more for normies than pokemon at that period.
Q2-Q3 of 2025 I think should have mtg and pokemon close together.

Lorcana will do fine because Disney adults and children buying. Its just pokemon 2.0

>>95994476
As long as Disney renews the license once it expires

>>95992175
>wdym by triggers
When you take damage you put cards into a zone and if they have a trigger (top right) symbol you get an extra effect.
>>95991823
Vanguard mentioned anon, is that you?

>>95991401
Possibly my favorite run-on sentence in awhile. What a creative visionary.

Actual news just dropped so I took the liberty of refreshing the general. Come on over here when you wish.
>>95995073

So this is just a fab gen now? Right down to shilling its releases?

FUCKFAB

Bro, you had an entire thread where it was barely even mentioned. Why are you so pissed off when they have nice things announced?

>>95995232
>Actual news
A new fab set.
>We have a new "talent"
Who's we?

>>95995242
Why are you getting so defensive? There's not even been that much talk about fab lately. So what if they get a spotlight treatment when something interesting is announced.

>>95995269
I'm the one that's defensive? Lol
I'm just telling it like it is.
>Ends thread early because 'news'
>News is a new set. wow so interesting
>Ad for the OP
>We

Yeah just start a fab gen at this point

>>95995309
I wish they did that

>>95995309
Your smear campaign against this game is old-hat. No one cares anymore.

>>95995332
>No one cares anymore
about fab

>>95995332
Whoever you think I am I guarantee you I'm not him

>>95995339

You're welcome to ignore things you don't like and support things you do

>>95995389
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm no

>>95995455
Yeah, you rather destroy the thread than help it to be better. We know.

Going to get into solo tcgs. I did not know that many existed, but now that I do, I will play them. I like collecting cards, but don't want to play with anyone.

>>95995585
we must use our tools!!!!

>>95995686
I mean earthborne is the best solo game I've played that's come out recently. Check that out on the tts demo to see if it scratches that lonely wanderer itch of yours.

Force of Will cardare getting Vanguard tier block of text eye torture