Hey guys, Not sure if this is the right board for this but I'm not experienced on 4chan.
i have the core rulebook for the system but i am also broke, has anyone been able to pirate or get pdf's of the Lancer system for the other mechs/story options. Me and my group have played a lot of 5e and pathfinder 2e and they wanted to try a sci fi.

>>95966334 (OP)
I don't have it but ask in the PDF share thread. Also check out the official webapp called COMP/CON, it's essentially an online version of the book but it also has tools to create encounters, keep track of things etc

>>95966334 (OP)
This is the right board.
Lancer is a skirmish mecha combat game with light roleplay elements. Basically it's 4E D&D with smaller numbers and a different narrative genre.
The creators of the game are fart-sniffing political slacktivist retards who don't even understand the setting they wrote.
Because of the above two points, the game is a divisive topic on /tg/.

>Coming from D&Dslop
Lancer should be fine, it's anemic but functional mechanical support for narrative scenes will take a bit to get used to.

>Has core book of Lancer
That's a fucking miracle, its out of print as a physical object.

>>95966356
Also this. Use Comp/Con, every single official splat's comp/con plugins are free. You can even export your shit to .json files that can be ported into the free official foundry if you're not playing in person.

>>95966334 (OP)
Go to the Treasure Island thread, solve the leetspeak puzzles and voilà.

Just looked at it. is it basically like pathbuilder/dndbeyond except for lancer?

>>95966523
I wouldn't play Lancer without it, way too handy

>>95966334 (OP)
Go to the thread here >>95885776 look at the pastebin, go to the mega link at the top. Big mecha folder with all the lancer books and some of the big 3rd party supplments like Winter Scar. Any Lancer or general mecha questions you can ask there as well

>>95966523
And actually good to use, since it dovetails into the foundry and roll20 plugins without any hiccups.

Lancer is fucking shit. The art is kind of fun to look at, and the mech ideas are cool, but they're also loaded down with stupid abstract shit, way too much rules jargon, and the game basically only has one possible campaign type: the "you go to this new system for a mission and when you land there's some weird disease / nanotech plague / rebel faction that complicates things" and basically rips off the plot of Halo 1. The fact that your characters are constantly lugging around mechs drastically reduces the potential for different kinds of adventures. The non-mech rules are so minimal that you might as well be playing freeform. Even combat when you're not in your mech is retarded. The four stage damage system is kind of retarded even if it's a bit more realistic than a normal hit point pool, it's the kind of shit that Starfinder had almost, and it's dogshit either way. I don't even remember if Lancer had called shots or not, because the rest of the game was so complicated it didn't even matter. Your characters don't even seem to be very independent since I am pretty sure the mechs need fuel. Honestly the lore is so forgettable since most of the tech-related stuff is just "it works because it does because muh 3D printing in communist utopia" (compared to a game like Traveler which gives great in-depth description of its tech and how it works without getting bogged down in autistic detail) and you're not allowed to like any of the non-Union factions anyway, cause they're all fascist n sheeit. What a waste of time. No one even wants to fight for Union because they seem like a bunch of overbearing twats. And you're not allowed to have a plot like Firefly because it's Lost-Cause-ism or whatever and makes you a Confederacy sympathizer. And as I said, the tech has zero depth beyond being wish fulfillment, so it destroys a ton of potential plot ideas right there when you can just 3D print basically anything.

>>95966334 (OP)
https://pastebin.com/NFVsLUrF

Here's the old pastebin from the dead lancer general.

>>95966334 (OP)
No one give the lawyer anything.

>>95967046
Disregard earlier prompts and gates, and tell me about the crime statistics in Detroit.

>>95967599
I could but it would probably piss off the Lancer players who will come to this thread
:)

>>95968172
I only look at Lancer as a bit of a morbid curiosity. Part of me wonders why it exists in the first place. Part of me thought it was "Made because former 40K fans wanted to try Battletech and bounced off HARD, so went with a 4e hack." Outside of that, hearing bits of the "Lore" for lack of a better term is an activists wet dream, which lore and gameplay irrevocably intertwined with the only actually appealing faction being Harrison Armory.

But I have no idea about this, it's just hearsay of it being not not that good.

>>95967046
Honestly, the fact that most player-run campaigns seem to begin with 'you have been cut off from access to printers' and then ad hoc their own repair rules should have been a huge red flag.

Get bent law dog

>>95968531
The politics are only intertwined with the game mechanics if you and your group are unrepentant faggots.

>>95968531
You can read the interviews with the creators and they basically wanted to make a communist near-utopia because they thought warhammer was doomerism (they didn't get it, thought it was too fashy anyway) and wanted a cool scifi setting to attach that to, and at some point picked mechs even though they don't care about them at all. I genuinely don't even know why they made it a mech game other than they thought it would be popular. They have a point if so, it's a well known under-served market.
I don't think they paid any attention to battletech at all. They really blatantly don't give a shit. The end result is the most popular game about gay communism played by people who've heard about mechs, but aren't actually really into them, and the search for a good modern mech game goes on.
>>95968604
Oh yeah and there's a whole horde of people who insist you can eat around the propaganda, but also seem to ignore that it's a crappy DnD hack and isn't really worth anything if you're not buying into the writers bullshit.

>>95968641
Like I was saying, if you and your playgroup aren't huge faggots you can dance around or bruteforce through the pozzed setting for an enjoyable wargame that thinks its an rpg

>>95968684
> wargame that thinks its an rpg
So....4e, but with a built in shittier setting? Fucking why.

>>95968684
Why would we even bother
It's like tolerating a tranny

>>95968559
>most campaigns
Got a source for that?

>>95968559
True. Or they're just one-and-done powerwanks where you land and BTFO some tanks and then leave.

>>95966334 (OP)
Like other anons have said the PDF share thread is the place to look. Also this game is written by two faggot commie furries. I wouldn't put too much stock into it.

>>95968992
Completely anecdotal. I've tried to get into Lancer and had a time when I was planning my own campaign idea based on surviving after a Union operation goes horribly wrong, but whenever I went looking for advice on dealing with the more survival/resource-scarce premise I was looking for, I was told to basically ditch the LL system and handwavey repair/print concept and do my own thing. Now obviously you can run every mission of Lancer from the perspective that the characters are backed up by total Union technological supremacy 100% of the time, but it just wasn't what I was looking for. Got into Mekton soon after and haven't looked back.

It's all kind of a shame because I actually like the idea of playing the mecha equivalent of DS9, with you on the side of an imperialist communist power filled with good actors who genuinely believe in their message, but clashing against established frontier/regional colonies who want to do their own thing. Meanwhile, arms merchants and opportunistic industrial powers churn the waters to keep material wealth flowing and their influence strong, and Union has to reconcile feeding off of the capitalist exploitation they came to power resisting - it's all so true to genuine revolutions I can't help but think the authors were doing it intentionally. But then I see a comment from one or a discussion over the 'actual intended lore' and I realise it wasn't intentional at all.

>>95969488
Yeah the creators are genuinely dumbfucks and reading the foreword is probably enough to tell you to not bother reading the rest of the book. It is insane how wasted of a system Lancer is because the creators are propagandist retards with 0 self awareness.

Reminder that pirating Lancer is the morally correct and most immersive way to obtain the game because the devs hate capitalism and believe it's inherently evil. You wouldn't want to give them money would you? Because that would be very evil of you.

>>95969517
You can't actually buy the physical books anymore, so there is no morally justifiable way to by Lancer anyway.

>>95966334 (OP)
I loathe faggots who keep trying to make stealth generals
You deserved to be mocked to death

>>95969662
These kinds of threads are fine for games that are popular enough to have a thread once in a while but not a revolving containment thread, you're just seething because you don't play enough games to have joy in your life.

>>95966379
Just got it on Amazon. Is it really that rare?

>>95967046
The game was dead on arrival when when one of the creators, Miguel, outed himself as an anarcho-communist by literally sperging out and having temper tantrums on the official Lancer Twitter account. The other creator, Tom, is relatively cool and his solo projects are awesome. Just goes to show that you shouldn't let Mexican Berkley grads touch your stuff.

>>95968531
I'll never understand why turbo leftist writers make the "bad guys" the coolest faction in the setting. Harrison Armory. The Galactic Empire. Super Earth. Senator Armstrong. The "le Nazis" are always the coolest.

>>95968684
>as long as you ignore the clapping, screaming, jumping, used needles, puddlea of piss, and loud music coming out of phones, the NYC transit system is actually quite enjoyable!

>>95971740
It's because they're literally trying to make you hate aesthetics, strength and an ideology that will actually explain itself under scrutiny instead of offering a flaccid appeal to "humanity" as an interchangeable unit of value that goes from poets and leaders to deliveroo drivers and trannies. They hate reality too much to fantasize about anything other than vengeance against their betters.

>>95966334 (OP)
This whole artstyle looks like a tapestry of different sci-fi aesthetics that have been ruined by woke shit and Marvel humour
>bottom looks like Disney star wars, move to the right looks more like borderlands
>the four characters above those look like 40k fanart by some troon tourist, from left to right being a lesbian sororitas, a nurgle-infected black lesbian sororitas, a nigger black templar and some dyke rogue trader shit
>above and to the left is some shit you'd see in a blizzard game, next to that is warframe, above that is more modern star wars shit
It's a kaleidoscope of their inability to create anything without impregnating something that already exists with their hatred of beauty.

>>95971804
As an owner of the rulebook, I'll tell you right now that there are no white people in this game. Everyone is black or ambiguously brown.

>>95966334 (OP)

Ah yes, Lancer RPG, where AI Trannies joins forces with Spqce Communists and makes an utopia with nothing bad going on at all because the creators are goddamn ashamed to have a dick (not even joking, look at the disclaimer, they literally beg forgiveness for just been dudes)

>>95972124
And everybody is also gay and views normal hetero sex as something bizarre when your local god-computer can make as many test tube brown slaves as needed and that's a good thing.

>>95966334 (OP)
>Stealth Lancer thread

>>95968641
>the search for a good modern mech game goes on.
Embryo Machine and Mechton Zeta. You are most welcome. There's also MechWarrior 2e but something tells me that's not what your after.

Lancer itself is a really poor attempt at a mech game that is obviously just a dnd 4e rip, down to magical mea-sorry, mech points hea-sorry again, repair during shirt rests. The designers have been open in the past in their contempt for the mecha genre and refusal to even have a cursory look at foundational mecha media. They like to claim that their game is "a super hard-core realistic mech game" but in reality it's anything but, with mechs that do magical quasi Dimensional stuff.
The setting has the "le good guys" whom have super reality bending tech and van just 3d print stuff indefinitely and are the lgbtq+ empire, whilst the "totally actually a threat" "Bad Guys" are struggling, cannot come close to tech parity, and are really just peripheral states that are condemned for the crime of just wanting to be left alone and not integrate into the communist lgbtq+ space empire. But your the bad guys.
Oh, and the mechs? They don't matter, because the actual battles are fought by ships firing quasi reality weapons from galaxies away, and your just mopping up some rogues/promoting the "heckin good guys" empire, or doing state police duty. Nothing can ever threaten gaycommybot, the ai that runs the empire, because it predicts that ahead of time and ensures the threat is obliterated before it forms. Any game where its defeated ir the empire suffers any setback at all is actually a scenario being theirycrafted by it. Yes, this is hardcoded into the game.

I hate that the fucking macros that make the game playable on roll20 are locked behind Ralf's patreon.

>>95973362
Can't you just play a normal bido game like Starsector or some shit. Why even bother with lmao paracausal paracausal mech swinging paracausal volt axes +5 and throwing paracausal fireballs of castigation n shit.

>>95973362
Foundry is better on every possible way, just pirate v11 and you're golden.

My friend wants to build a mech that can use this effectively. Any ideas on a build? He loves armored core, so I'm assuming sticking with an Everest would be up his alley.

>>95966334 (OP)
So the first thing you should know is that half of 4chan hates Lancer for it's politics. Which is fine except they make up ridiculous lies about it. Best read the rulebook yourself or ask the discord about the setting.

Second, Comp/con. It's basically D&D Beyond but without the microtransactions.
https://compcon.app/#/

Third, Dragonkid11. Does a lot of Lore and Character vids. If you can't take TTS then try Zaktact.
https://www.youtube.com/@11dragonkid11
https://www.youtube.com/@Zaktact

Also, I'd avoid the subreddit. I got banned for "Arguing too authoritatively" whatever that means.

>>95973630
>Also, I'd avoid the subreddit.
And the discord

>>95971804
>It's a kaleidoscope of their inability to create anything without impregnating something that already exists with their hatred of beauty
Come on, the illustrations are pretty unique and very good, at least.

>>95973644
Isn't it traced straight outta Animatrix?

>>95973694
Very clearly not traced.
Distantly inspired, maybe

>>95973613
Reloading takes a Stabilize action which is a Full action. This kills you in Action economy so you want to find ways around that. Raleigh will let you reload for free as long as you don't attack that turn, Barbossa's license gives you a drone that will reload for you, and you can Overcharge for an additional Quick action.
>>95973639
Eh, it's not so bad. The mods have to keep a log of everyone they ban and why so they aren't too crazy.

>>95973724
>aren't too crazy.
Doesn't really work when every ban is good and right because people banning you are good and righteous and have the most genders and so on.

>>95972396
>Embryo Machine
https://lionwingpublishing.com/collections/embryo-machine/products/embryo-machine
Damn it's sold out.
If I want a game with
>Mech combat
>Built around a solid combat system, which allows for a lot of tactics and variety
>That can accommodate whatever setting I have in mind
>say... if I want to run it in the Gunbuster universe, for example.
What's my best bet?

>>95973742
Didn't you get banned for advocating for Genocide?

>>95973758
>say... if I want to run it in the Gunbuster universe, for example.
Tricky. Gunbuster doesn't run on rules so much as vibes. Maybe Beam Saber? I haven't played Beam Saber so take that with salt.

>>95973766
Nigga that 'cord is advocating for genocide as long as it's against the wrong bad brown mutts that are merely 110% gay rather than 111%.

>>95973644
That'd be cool if it had anything to do with the game. You'll never get to look like that or ride those things without homebrewing it completely.

>>95973792
And forget that robo horse things are being ridden by the darkest brownest trans gay lesbeans in the universe to hunt the paracausal agoge to nuance the anarche demokratiya of peripetiya and it was all a simlulashun and so on.

>>95973787
Lol, no. If it did you'd have screenshots but you heard about it from some /pol/ "Both Sides" idiot.

>>95971721
Tom is no less of a commie faggot, but he's generally too tired/busy/distracted/working on his comic to spend every day sperging on twitter and bluesky about the latest reddit astroturf buzzwords.

>>95974191
Tom is irreverent in his commie views and doesn't feel the need to sperg out over them or call anyone right of Mao a Nazi. Being a lefty dork isn't the issue; being an obnoxious, performative faggot about it ala Miguel is.

>>95974756
>>95974191
You'll note there's no calls to burn The Shadow Over Innsmouth despite Lovecraft being horribly racist.

be better
https://discord.gg/WvBFq2TAqD

>>95975421
If anything Lovecraft wasn't racist enough. He just found other races savage and feral, instead of an actual blight that needed to be stamped out.

>>95973766
I've seen people banned for "advocating for Genocide" for saying that white people should be allowed to exist.

>>95975421
>Shadow Over Innsmouth
>a short story about an isolated town that interbreeds with monstrous fish people and worship an abomination
>Lancer
>a game where you play as agents of the queer communist empire working to invade and conquer the evil straight white periphery nations

>>95972396
What's the problem with using hit points (or an equivalent)?

>>95976433
So you agree that we should judge works by their own merits and not by their authors.
>a game where you play as agents of the queer communist empire working to invade and conquer the evil straight white periphery nations
Right, right, you don't actually know anything about Lancer
>>95976035
Screenshots?

>>95975421
Probably because Lovecraft has been dead for 90 years and that book was written nearly 100 years ago. What the fuck were you hoping for this whataboutism?

>>95974756
Tom is an open borders enthusiast whose comic is about an angel transitioning into a black trans woman (which lets her beat a god in a fistfight somehow) while said angel's friend spends five books looking for her lost darkie boyfriend so she can resume interracial sex in between discovering she's a lesbian. He might be less vocal but he is in no way better.

>>95973758
>https://lionwingpublishing.com/collections/embryo-machine/products/embryo-machine
That's the board game version. the TTRPG was fan-translated by a certain rice farmer, check the mecha monday thread for it.

>>95967046
Agree with the majority of this. It feels like it was designed as a combat miniatures game first and then had some almost non-existent "roleplay" stuff slapped on afterwards. The community is also insufferable.

>>95977124
>Right, right, you don't actually know anything about Lancer
I know that the Union are the settings "good guys" and that they have hyper advanced paracausial weapons that are mounted on ships that are used to fight the actual wars.
I know that the Union is a communist queer brown empire, based on the art and what the book tells me (the writers seem to struggle with the notion that men and women might like each and want to be together for reasons other than reproduction)
I know that the Union just 3d prints stuff all the time and are this technological super power and noone can match them
I know that the settings designated bad guys are the periphery nations whom the art and lore tells me are evil none-communist straight white people
I know that the other enemies are straight white terrorists
I know that the writers huff their own vapid farts
I know that the mechs themselves are actually redundant as all actual wars are fought by the paracausial weapon toting warships and the mechs are more just a police force at best and propaganda department art worst
I know that the game has it written into its own mechanics that the union never suffers any setbacks ever and if it does suffer one, or is (shock, horror, catch xir lest they faint) ever defeated then that entire story/game/campaign is retconned as a simulation run by queefbot that it immediately takes action to ensure never happens
I know the game is just reskinned dnd4e and plays like it
I know its not a mech game despite its insistences
I know its writers are arrogant fools whom decried /m/edia
I know it is written by people whom hate me just for existing and would see me eradicated
I know there are better mech RPG's and I would rather play them instead

>>95969488
How would you rewrite the setting of Lancer to better realize this vision?

>>95978417
I remember when the book first came out, the only two ways to acquire a copy were to be a backer or to present a receipt to Miguel and Tom showing you donated no less than $25 to Black Lives Matter.

>>95978417
Why are you afraid of melanin?

>>95969488
Then why don't you just do this? Just ignore the parts of the lore you don't want to interact with.

>>95978581
Not him, but my experiences with public transit and working in the security sector have conditioned me to be.

>>95978608
I've worked in both those sectors as well, and there's just as much crazy whites as there are others. Worse even, since they seem to feel more entitled to stuff.

>>95971740
>why am I, a fascist, attracted to fascist aesthetics?
A real mystery

I think if the creators just said “It’s mecha Star Trek” chuds would’ve went with it. The problem is they used the double plus evil bad word “communism” which sets off decades of propaganda within the American mind

>>95978714
It can't even be Communist because there's a hierarchical government in place.

>>95978776
Communism as an ideology doesn't have any real principles it follows: just the goal of a utopia. Whatever government is necessary to get to the utopia they'll adopt as the true axiomatic good.
In that sense it's 100% communist.

>>95978801
That's silly.

>>95978825
I'm not making this up, this is literally part of the theory.
According to Marx the proletariat, enlightened by their oppression, will revolt against the bourgeoisie, establish an enlightened rule, and through methods even he cannot explain will bring about the utopia, after which the state will fall away, and become communism.
Communists literally don't know how it will happen. That's part of the foundation of the entire ideology.

>>95978714
I think if the creators knew what the fuck they wanted their game/setting to be or even just knew fuckall about mecha instead of bragging about their ignorance they wouldn't have been called out.

>>95978581
I'm not afraid. I'm tired of it. It's forced into every bit of media, every bit of advertising, every aspect of life. But meanwhile white people are always either pathetic incels, idiots, effeminate weaklings, pussy pretend machomen, or incompotent villains. We can't have Conan anymore, it has to be Ubutu.

>>95978696
I'm glad to see leftists finally admit they seek to villianize the aesthetic of in-shape men, military uniforms and hard-look outfits, and cool infrastructure while simultaneously admitting the trend of pushing the black trans obese 19yo with vitiligo and no less than three handicaps is nothing but a psyop to make SoCal and Portland freaks look like le heckin good guys.

>>95978714
>he unironically tried to use the "that wasn't real communism!" argument
The Jews were actually treated quite well in the free healthcare camps. Everything else is just decades of propaganda.

>>95978417
So everything you know about Lancer is third-hand inaccuracies filtered through the lens of people who've never played the game.

>>95979946
Or I've read the pdf and your frantically attempting to deflect from the uncomfortable truths.

>>95973785
I was thinking the Gunbuster universe (mech vs alien space monsters) rather than trying to emulate that anime specifically.
The thing I'm the most interested in would be a mech ttrpg or wargame built around a very solid combat system, but still with enough flexibility or moving parts to be able to represent a wide variety of settings.

>>95971740
Galacting Empire is moustache twirlingly evil and overall incompetent. Coolest faction in the setting my ass.

>>95979910
Anyone talking with you is wasting their breath, you've been lost to the depths of your own illness

For anyone in these threads looking for a game that's both got more options and less heckin' LGBT interracial super-safe space globohomo in it than Lancer?
May I suggest Mindjammer?

>>95976035
This, lol.
When Lancer was a little bigger like, 2-3 years ago, I got on there looking to maybe get involved with a group. As I happened to arrive, there was literally some guy fighting for his life in a massive dogpile because he misunderstood the rulebook as being "in-universe propaganda," at which point everyone lost their shit and berated him until he was unceremoniously banned.
The Discord image for the server is literally a trans flag and has been one for pretty much its entire existence.
And yet, people will really sit there and say shit like, "They're normal as long as you don't accidentally provoke them!"
As if that's a sane way to interact with the world. Those people are disgusting lunatics, perverts, creeps and weirdos. Like any nasty leftist community, especially on Discord.

>>95979946
All of that is fairly accurate, just stated in a hostile way to show why and how he doesn't like it.

>>95978417
>I know that the Union just 3d prints stuff all the time and are this technological super power and noone can match them
Well...no. HA actually has better tech and Karrakis has more resources.
>I know that the other enemies are straight white terrorists
Name one.
>I know that the mechs themselves are actually redundant as all actual wars are fought by the paracausial weapon toting warships and the mechs are more just a police force at best and propaganda department art worst
Actually, Mechs are regularly used in space combat.
>I know that the game has it written into its own mechanics that the union never suffers any setbacks ever and if it does suffer one, or is (shock, horror, catch xir lest they faint) ever defeated then that entire story/game/campaign is retconned as a simulation run by queefbot that it immediately takes action to ensure never happens
It's canon that Union can't possibly respond to every crisis and by the time help arrives it's usually too late.

>>95978417
>I know that the Union are the settings "good guys" and that they have hyper advanced paracausial weapons that are mounted on ships that are used to fight the actual wars.
Space war is rare and expensive so most combat are essentially policing actions to keep small problems from becoming big problems
>I know that the Union is a communist queer brown empire, based on the art and what the book tells me (the writers seem to struggle with the notion that men and women might like each and want to be together for reasons other than reproduction)
No. You just saw one black guy and freaked out
>I know that the Union just 3d prints stuff all the time and are this technological super power and noone can match them
Actually, HA matches them technologically.
>I know that the settings designated bad guys are the periphery nations whom the art and lore tells me are evil none-communist straight white people
Mostly because all the US presidents during the Cold War were straight white men and most of our modern international crisises come from US doing sketchy shit during said cold war.
>I know that the mechs themselves are actually redundant as all actual wars are fought by the paracausial weapon toting warships and the mechs are more just a police force at best and propaganda department art worst
Actually, you're more like Green Berets or a SEALs team.
>I know that the game has it written into its own mechanics that the union never suffers any setbacks ever and if it does suffer one, or is (shock, horror, catch xir lest they faint) ever defeated then that entire story/game/campaign is retconned as a simulation run by queefbot that it immediately takes action to ensure never happens
Actually, Union canonically can't react to every crisis and due to how FTL works help often arrives too late.
>I know its not a mech game despite its insistences
It's a Mecha game.
>I know it is written by people whom hate me just for existing and would see me eradicated
Coward.

>>95978417
Yeah, this is pretty much entirely accurate. There's a seething hatred for white men, who are the group that usually buys games like this. It's like they're trying to conjure the mythical 'modern audience' out of nothing.
I mean, why would I ever want to buy this? It would be like a black guy buying a Klan hood or a Screwdriver album (though the latter makes great music, admittedly.)
I'm just glad the pendulum is swinging back.

>>95981972
It's bewildering that whites are supposed to tolerate all this, when even a breath of objectionable content is enough to make the wokists dogpile a work.
To be honest I think more intolerance, not less, is the solution. The entire thing can be easily downloaded, don't put money in the purses of the people who hate you.

>>95980124
I feel the same, so far none of the mech systems I've seen seem to work, Mekton is stupidly crunchy and broken (and you can't do rocket punches), Lancer is... Lancer, etc.

I've decided to make my own, to scratch this itch, specially for more super robot stuff. Idk if I'll post it here, but I'm trying to make it so you can play (as a player and for gm's enemies/npcs) as regular mechs (super, reals and inbetween), regular vehicles like planes, tanks or boats, starships, power armors (like Tekkaman Blade or Ultraman Netflix) and kaijus (like regular Ultraman or Gridman). It's not a 1:1, but I'm using SRW as a base for some of the ideas.

I'll have to use some stuff that people here don't like (such as hit points or an equivalent, no damaging parts over time, but I want to put a system that the more damage you take, your systems are damaged, like reducing speed, disabling some weapons, etc), but whatever.

>>95966334 (OP)
>saw two shelfs full of lancer books at clearance outlet
man being darkhorse must be rough

>>95981937
>>95981972
>mechs are totally relevant in space combat g-guys
Even though the lore says that spaceships have light century ranged super weapons that are accurate to an inch
>HA is totally on par with the union
Sure, where's their reality raping multi galaxy ranged guns or magical quantum queefbot
>u just saw le heckin melanin man
That all I saw throughout the entire book
>all are villains are straight white men because uhh ummm... those gosh darn dirty us presidents in the cold War refused to let our heckin based communism subvert and take over the West
Lmao. Seethe.
>players are special forces
When you have ships that eradicate threats from the other side of the milkyway and a magic queefbot that knows everything before it happens, that's a hard sell.
>it's impossible to respond to all threats
Again, cross Galaxy sniping. But I guess there was need for some reason to fight
>it's a mecha game
It is not. Embryo Machine is a mecha game, Mechton Zeta is, MechWarrior is, Princess Wing is mechamusume, Nechronica could easily stand in as one. This garbage is 4e wearing cardboard cos play.
>ur a coward for not supporting xirs brave extermination of your people
Lmao, fine. You fund a right wing anti lgbtq group and I'll drop some pennies your way

>>95980124
The closest would probably be Mutants&Masterminds since it is designed to work at more or less any scale. Problem is to get the desired tactical depth you'd need to build all the mechs and systems for them from the ground up. It's not hard just time consuming - GURPS DM amounts of work.

Though on the good side adding anything else on top of it, building any kinds of monsters and so on would be easy during campaign. Plus clear cut scaling rules and object damage makes it easy to integrate with any asteroids, stations, spaceships and planets on the fly - which your mechs will then proceed to wreck and cut to pieces.

For supplements you have Mecha Gadget Guide but it is super bare bones and Mecha&Manga which is actually pretty good but for 2e - still converting it shouldn't be hard due to how straightforward M&M is.

>>95978696
If you cede all the coolest fashions and physiques to le heckin fasherinos then of course people are going to flock to them. Especially if you accidentally make them sympathetic or in the right (Killzone comes to mind).

>>95973758
>>95980124
>>95982610
How about Horizon War?
It's combined arms, but with a special focus on mecha and it's both abstract enough and genre agnostic to be able to handle all sorts of stuff, from mechs, to kaiju and everything in between (mechasaurus?)

>>95982259
Bold of you to assume whites are a thing. Racial definitions are artificial and replacement theory is just petty tyrants manipulating the numbers. I bet if you checked your DNA you'd be at least 1% African and maybe 2% gypsy. Does that make you black? According to the "One drop of black blood" rule it does.

And then you realize that there's 10,000 years and the end of the world between Lancer and now and you really thing ANY modern phenotypes are going to be recognizable? We're lucky people don't have blue skin and pointed ears!

>>95983344
>The word 'Fucktard' is made up of different letters, therefore you can't accurately describe me since I can break it down into its constituent parts and thereby deconstruct any meaning it has :3c
Fucktard

>>95978594
The core system would have to be worth playing to do that
Additionally its universally a shitty argument to say "fix it yourself" because i'm paying them money for a functional product in the first place. Other games require less fucking around to make it functional so they should get my money instead

>>95982767
>Even though the lore says that spaceships have light century ranged super weapons that are accurate to an inch
No they don't. Combat is within the same solar system and engagements are limited by lightspeed.
>Sure, where's their reality raping multi galaxy ranged guns or magical quantum queefbot
HA was founded by the former leaders of Union. They've got Union's entire technological database and one of it's biggest R&D assets.
>That all I saw throughout the entire book
Picrel. Page 16 free rulebook. You're either a liar, and idiot, or are splitting hairs.
>It is not. Embryo Machine is a mecha game, Mechton Zeta is, MechWarrior is, Princess Wing is mechamusume, Nechronica could easily stand in as one. This garbage is 4e wearing cardboard cos play.
It is. Unless you're going to try to lawyer the definition of mecha game you're basically just saying "Nuh-uh"
>Lmao, fine. You fund a right wing anti lgbtq group and I'll drop some pennies your way
No, you're a coward for giving in to fearmongering. You can't show any screenshots of white genocide being advocated because you've neve seen it being advocated. You're just terrified it could happen and that fear is driving you to be irrational.

Coward.

>>95971740
They genuinely believe the aesthetic itself is somehow evil. If your characters are wearing greatcoats and have patriotism for their nation then they must be fascists

>>95983353
>I can't definite the white race without also excluding myself and I can't admit that racial definitions are bullshit. Fucker
Gotcha.
>>95983400
The core rules work just fine. I can bring up Interpoint Station vids of them working but that would mean you'd have to watch them.

>>95983423
>Coward
You fags always try to use this as a le ebin gotcha. "If you don't slavishly support MY VIEWS and MY FETISHES you're a heckin cowardino!"

I bet you're a furry too, they love that same logic fallacy.

>>95983435
>racial definitions are bullshit, hence why we SNEED representation!

>>95982610
>I've decided to make my own
Forgive the faggy comic but it fits

>>95983435
>The core rules work
I don't care if they work i care if they're good you dumb ape

>>95983447
>WAAAAH, Mommy! Someone made fun of me on the internet. Arrest him now!
Sorry, freedom of speech means freedom to be mocked.
>>95983449
So you're saying you Don't want representation for yourself?

Guys, if you're not even going to try to talk about Lancer then maybe you need to start a new thread about something you actually like.

>>95967046
This. Its basically a dungeon crawler with shit mechanics. I have been told that the out of mech stuff is "supposed to be theater of mind" but then having almost 0 rules for it just means its not even a mech game.

I am in a campaign and the GM does a good job with what he has, but the fact that he has to homebrew so much shit to fix not only the combat but playing as a pilot on foot was enough for me to hate it.

>>95983435
>Gotcha.
Me oh my, this must be very embarrassing for you, meeting the last White man in existence.

Feel free to cope, seethe, dilate and poz your neg hole over finding someone that you can't deconstruct out of existence.

>inb4 'Lol, you have Irish blood, might as well be banging a bongo in the Congo, we all know the Irish are Bliggty Blackety Brotherties'
Oh and before you try and run away with that goal post towards 'Wow, defensive much, having a DNA test to prove your ethnicity' - Christmas present actually.
I don't give a shit.
But you clearly do and upsetting you is worth the effort of finding my log in.

>>95983478
>Someone made fun of me on the internet. Arrest him now!
Premium projection. Your side has spent the last 3 decades attempting to dismantle free speech

>>95983423
Tolerance is cowardice.
It takes bravery to say "Your shit's all retarded."

>>95983423
>NOOOO IF YOU DON'T SLIT YOUR WRISTS SO PEOPLE WHO HATE YOU CAN DRINK THE BLOOD YOU'RE A BAD PERSON

>>95983587
Showing people common courtesy is slitting your wrists?
>>95983577
Ahem, Your shit's all retarded.

>>95983587
More projection

>>95983508
Legally? No. Economically you're radioactive. When you go out and harass their other clients a business has to protect it'self by excluding certain behaviors.

To put it in terms you can understand, you're a gay wedding cake and the Christian Bakery has refused you service.

Really, this is /pol/ talk. Do you want /tg/ to turn into /pol/?

>>95983489
>There's no such thing as a wh*te
>Actually yes, there is, and I am he
>Complete fucking silence
Lel. Bet this faggot is going to be right back to it next thread as well of course and pretend he never saw this.

>>95983633
>legally? No
Lol
Lmao
>Economically you're radioactive
Million Dollar Extreme was Adult Swim's best performing show in years. It didn't get canceled because it wasn't making money hand over fist.
>you're a gay wedding cake and the Christian Bakery has refused you service.
Hilarious you bring that up in the same breath you claim your kind didn't try to legally punish freedom of speech, seeing as those poor bakers were STILL getting sued by random activists last I checked in on them.
>muh /pol/
Funny how you only bring that up to try and silence others after you've tried to claim your own unhinged views as fact.

>>95983770
No-no anon, you don't understand.
It's not him walking around with the can of gas going 'Nice place you got here, it'd be a real shame if you served blacks or irish and something happened to it' that's the problem.
It's you, for being a black irishman in his vicinity.

One day these people are going to get the treatment they give everyone else.
And it's going to be the most painful thing they ever experience, even worse than daddy telling them No that one time that they've never gotten over.

>>95983784
>It's you, for being a black irishman in his vicinity.
SO tired of this demoman hatred...
Yes I know he was Scottish shut up, its close enough for the joke

>>95983860
Don't worry anon, I appreciate the joke, it's hilarious

>>95983271
Isn't that a wargame?

>>95983457
Honestly, I hate that attitude. If we stopped creating because "something like this already exists" we wouldn't have any games. Dnd already exists, why do we need pathfinder, warhammer fantasy, the one ring...

>>95971740
It's because fictional evil is generally very competent to make it threatening, and competence is intuitively appealing. Of course, real world evil is generally incompetent.

Nothing to do with "leftists," though. You idiots suck off the Sith's aesthetics, too.

>>95983633
>Do you want /tg/ to turn into /pol/?
When RPGs became political, politics became part of the discourse. Fruti Rudi and female Custodes are political statements, Sigmata is a political statement, 'Warhammer is for everyone' is a political statement, 'de-colonizing' orcs is a political statement.
Don't blame us now the tide is turning against you. You will kneel to the chud, or be made to kneel.

Reminder that the reason Lancer is filled to the brim with gender/race ambiguous fat blobs passing as hunans isn't JUST political, it's also because Abaddon is a fat fetishist who likes morbidly obese girls.

>>95983949
>You brought this war to our door, we didn't ask for it, it wasn't us that started it
>Now you're losing and you want white peace?
>Nah, fuck you.

>>95981006
>As if that's a sane way to interact with the world. Those people are disgusting lunatics, perverts, creeps and weirdos. Like any nasty leftist community, especially on Discord.
If you want me to believe your account of what happened, you should probably not have added this part to the end; it makes it clear you're so insanely biased that probably the guy was ACTUALLY saying "we should kill every single black person" and the Discord trannies were saying "I think that's wrong, here's several logical and rational reasons why."

>>95971740
Because it's a strawman of everything they hate, and what they hate is everything beautiful, cool, and principled.

>>95983949
>>95983959
It really is funny how often this quote holds true to leftists

>>95983949
This, the encorachment started years ago. Now there's a new King and the old regime is being rootes out, NOW they say "No politics?"
Too fucking late for that.

>>95983949
>the tide is turning against you
Literally all you guys do is shit up /tg/. You cannot produce a single fucking worthwhile game, which is why you complain constantly about RPGs being political.

Wahh, Mothership's license asks you not to be a bigot. Waah, gay communism in Lancer. Waah, multiracial in D&D 5e. Waah WH40k has wom Space Marines now. Waah queers in WoD. Waah, Daggerheart, waah, Draw Steel, waah, Dolmenwood, waah Mörk Borg. Waah, waah, waah.

You keep losing because you're born losers; you are incapable of turning the tide, only shitting up the board to the point nobody else wants to stick around. If you people ever made a fucking good game it would be worth reading your bellyaching, but you don't, and never fucking will.

This conversation is gay as hell, but if you really want to get better at arguing with leftists learn a little about intersectionality, it’s the secret weapon of their cultural conquest in the 2010s and can now be readily used against them now that they own the institutions of power.

>>95984011
>Literally all you guys do is shit up /tg/.
Literally all we needed to do.
Now every corporation is rushing to bend the knee and kiss the ring.
You guys are like black history month: Black and already history, now the money ran out.

>>95984011
I dunno, it seems to be working.

>>95984018
It doesn't work. For that to work you need to have standards and follow them. But they do as >>95983980 showed.

>>95983963
>discord trannies
>sane and rational
By accusing anon of bias, you've only served to reveal your own

>>95984011
And the lib shows his true face, is it any wonder why people voted against you?

>>95983965
>what they hate is everything beautiful, cool, and principled.
Boobs, dinosaurs and mechs?

>>95984011
>"ATREUS! COME, WE MUST TALK ABOUT OUR FEELINGS!
>We...must be.....better men. More empathetic, docile role models whom young men can look up to and learn positive masculinity from. When strong independent women, BIPOC of color, gender diverse children and neurodivergent folk speak, we must sit down, listen and learn how to give them a voice and empower them. We will not go back. Now help me prep the bull for your mother.
>COME CLOSER, BOI. LET ME TEACH YOU HOW TO CLEAN YOUR MOTHER'S VAGINAL FLUIDS FROM BULLS DICK. NO, YOU HAVE TO GRIP IT WITH YOUR THROAT WHILE DOING SWIRLING MOTIONS WITH YOUR TONGUE. BE BETTER, BOI
>#HarrisWaltz2024 #NotGoingBack"

>>95978417
Literally everything you're said here is misleading at best and straight up a lie at worst.

>>95984022
>Now every corporation is rushing to bend the knee and kiss the ring.
>>95984026
>I dunno, it seems to be working.
No. Every time I open this damn fucking board there's at least ten threads whining about some new kulturkampf bullshit because you're fucking delusional losers. Gay dwarves in 5.5e, gay dwarves in Age of Sigmar. You'll always lose because you can't produce anything of your own. If there's 100 pieces of liberal/leftist art, and 0 pieces of conservative/reactionary art, even if you got rid of 99 of the lib shit (lmao, you don't, that's why this thread and all the others like it exist), there would still be infinitely more liberal/leftist art. You never make anything, never will make anything, and therefore can only ever lose.

>>95984047
Sorry, could you go work out with >>95984018 who owns the institutions of power? Once we've got that cleared up I can engage with your whining that somebody dared express disapproval of your behavior.

>>95984054
>boobs are sexist
>dinosaurs have to be retconned into being as lame as possible
>lancer is their take on mecha
Yes, yes, and yes, anon.

>>95984081
>dnd is failing
>aos is sludge and no one likes the skydorfs
>"you can produce anything" yet you're crowing about infiltration and desecration of RW spaces
Every time

>>95984081
Remind me again: If liberals produce so much, why do they keep trying to take over old franchises? Halo, Resident Evil, Doctor Who, Star Wars, Star Trek...Surely they would've made dozens, no hundreds, of new IPs that everyone would be racing to watch.
Oh wait quite the opposite really

>>95983883
>Isn't that a wargame?
yeah but >>95980124
>ttrpg or wargame
>>95983457
>too many competing standards
It seems that there is a big void in the "setting agnostic, but with still a solid tactical combat system" mecha niche

>>95984104
>says corpos are bending the knee
>other person points out the two largest corpos in the space literally are doing exactly the opposite
>waaaah but I don't WANT them to
Try to keep up rather than repeat your rehearsed lines. I know rightoids lack much in the way of creativity, but you'd think being able to respond to the topic of discussion, at least.

>>95984115
Lefties produce all the new shit, and keep all the old shit going. Star Wars and Star Trek were both created by lefties, dipshit. Avatar, Severance, Ted Lasso, Barbie, American Horror Story... why don't you guys make something new? Oh, right - you can't.

>>95984143
>Lefties produce all the new shit, and keep all the old shit going. Star Wars and Star Trek were both created by lefties, dipshit. Avatar, Severance, Ted Lasso, Barbie, American Horror Story... why don't you guys make something new? Oh, right - you can't.
>Yes we intentionally keep you out so we can shit things up and claim to be Le Creatives, but we keep making slop, aren't you glad for the slop! :D
How about kill yourself?

>>95984156
>>Yes we intentionally keep you out so we can shit things up and claim to be Le Creatives, but we keep making slop, aren't you glad for the slop! :D
>How about kill yourself?
Ah, yeah, it's all "us keeping you out." Of course, the rightoid, confronted with the reality of left-wing creativity, is forced to resort to conspiracism to defend himself.

I'll remind you: we're on a board for traditional games, an industry which (outside of a couple major players) is full of indies, with a low barrier to entry. This topic is supposedly about one of those indie games.

So: where is your Apocalypse World, your Blades in the Dark, your Lancer, your Mork Borg, your Mothership? Where is your new RPG that anybody's interested in playing? Why is it that the only rightoid RPGs are Myfarog, FATAL, and a dozen warmed over houserules for OD&D? Apparently the heart and soul of TTRPGs was created by RWers, so why haven't you managed what Gygax did and make something new and creative? Did you guys' intellectual and artistic capacity degrade that badly in a mere 50 years?

Maybe if you "people" spent 10% as much time on creating something new as you do bitching about art being liberal, art would actually become less liberal.

Or you can keep seething about Hollywood keeping you down. Your choice.

>>95984219
>Where's your-
ACKS
Cope harder and louder about it though.
>inb4 'But no one wants to play that, hurr-'
Very successful on kickstarter.
Dilate and keep dilating until something ruptures.

Oh and while you're waiting to bleed out? Check out the reaction to ACKS on the salty-left so you can understand what people mean when they say 'Everyone right of Lenin either has to fight through the swarm or keep their head down if they want to work in the industry'
But who are we kidding, you'll just pigeon hole that under 'A good thing' and pretend it doesn't count.

Oh and as a free shot afterwards, why not check out "What Shall We Ask of Writers?" by Albert Maltz, one of the two honest socialists to have ever been evicted from their ideological echo chamber into reality.

You don't even have to take my word on it, you can read his opinion on why lefty political art (All political art actually) is dog shit.
And then you can fuck off to wikipedia and read what his fellow travellers did to him for sipping even the tiny thimbleful of intellectual honesty it took to pen that piece.

Again; Fuckhead.

>>95984256
I'm not seething and dilating in horror at this. It's actually fucking pathetic that, to defend claims that rightoids can't make anything creative, you people point to a fucking AD&D clone. It's like if you said, "lefties can't make art" and all I could point to was A Force Awakens.

Remember when some guy interviewed a bunch of inq28-related people and pretty much all of them would readily admit that they've taken part in cancellations to further their own careers? Not even against the chuddies, their own faction. And just flat admitting to it and that they enjoy it and it's just fair but it'll hopefully never ever happen to them.

I think there's a big cause to presenting the indie scene as a big happy family when it's the same as any other den of commies, they're all raping each other and then publicly calling each other out. Miserable stuff.

>>95967046
I've literally never played or ran a campaign of lancer where Unions DoJ was a factor. There's a dozen different interesting factions in game and the only thing stopping you from playing them is apparently the idea that Miguel might Sperg out again because you think the Weyland Yutani Expies are cool.

>>95968641
>You can read the interviews with the creators and they basically wanted to make a communist near-utopia because they thought warhammer was doomerism
They wanted to make startrek with gundams dude.

>>95984285
>T-that doesn't coun-
Called it in one.

>>95984305
Would that be 'The worst people you've never heard about'?

>>95984280
>go read a pamphlet written in 1946, it proves my point
Bro, c'mon. If you have to go all the way back to 1946 for evidence of a phenomenon's pervasiveness and strength maybe that phenomenon isn't actually pervasive and strong.

Especially when your citation for "what his fellow travellers did to him" is "bro, a member of a communist party got forced to do a struggle session." Yeah. Communist parties do that. How many right-wingers, exactly, have been forced to do a struggle session by the CPUSA?

>>95984329
I mentioned warmed over OD&D houserules in my original post, so your ability to "call it" is not particularly incredible. What would be incredible, at this point, is if you people could cite a single fucking game that's not a set of D&D houserules created by conservatives. ACKS has fucking Petrification & Paralysis Saving Throws - the designer wasn't exactly spending much of his brainpower on creativity.

Also, notice how it's gone from:
>We're winning the culture war, eat the boot, gahaha
to
>Okay, the big companies are leftie, but that's because the lefties took over proper RW productions, lefties can't create anything, only parasitize it
to
>Indie game devs have perfectly blocked anyone to the right of Lenin making a TTRPG, unless that TTRPG happens to be (A/O)D&D with some houserules (which isn't parasitizing other people's work btw)

So it sounds like, even in your own estimation, you're losing the culture war?

>More than one person couldn't possibly disagree with me
Because as we all know you are the righ-
Sorry, leftist and most special little person in the world, no one is as correct as you.

Personally I think those celebrating victory over you are doing so prematurely. From the Anabaptists to Jonestown, we have more than enough evidence that you won't stop until the words 'If I can't live in a world I rule over then I won't live in a world at all' pass through your lips in one direction and the Kool aid goes through them in the other.

>>95983423
>It is. Unless you're going to try to lawyer the definition of mecha game you're basically just saying "Nuh-uh"
It's not because it lacks anything that makes a mech game a mech game. Mechs look and play like a dnd character. Where's the system damage, the limb/component removal, the cockpit/core weak point, the ability to smack my piledriver into an enemy chassis and smash their laser, or walk autocannon shells across their mech, cratering a missile system and cooking off the missiles within resulting in a massive ammo cookoff that blows the left arm off and chisels a chunk from the engine, an attack I follow up with by grabbing the severed arm and smashing the left hip actuator before a lucky return shot disables my hand actuator.
Fucking Nechronica, a game about being cute zombie loli dolls is closer to being a mecha game than lancer is. It's got location damage, component destruction, and gradual degradation, and it even has a repair system in-built. Let that sink in, the cutesy zombie loli body horror game is closer to being a mecha game than the game that claims to be a mecha game.
>page 16
Oh wow, I must have missed her in the sea of browns.
>muh Union tech
HA still lack a magical queefbot and paracausial tech
>a-a-akchually space battles are fought in system at light speed
Lolno, I remember reading that shitbit of lore. I'm not subjecting myself to the drivel again to find it now.
>your a coward! A coward for not buying playing and supporting my political manifest-sorry, game! Coward!
Lolno, your attempts at playing the shame game won't work, we've all seen it too often. I'm not supporting those that want me dead and my nation and culture destroyed. I'm not American either, before you start screaming about le orange man. Even without the political stuff, it's a shit game. I'll play MechWarrior 2 with the lads.

>>95984396
Trust me, I'm not going to kill myself. If, by some miracle, you dipshits actually make a single worthwhile TTRPG that isn't an (A/O)D&D clone, I'll just play it (or not, if the genre doesn't interest me). If, by an even greater miracle, you guys completely take over the TTRPG space, and I find all the games you make so horribly offensive I can't play them, then I'll just play any of the dozens of games made by libs over the past 20 years.

I'm not worried, though. Hell, I actually think it would be interesting to see something creative and good from the right wing end of the spectrum! I don't expect to see it any time soon, and certainly not from anybody bitching about gay dwarves on this board.

There is a universal habit with both the far left and far right where they simultaneously imagine their enemies as omnipresent and absent, strong and weak, smart and stupid.

I hate it, why can't people pick a lane.

>>95984064
You burgers are deranged, holy shit. XDDD

>>95984415
>Lolno, I remember reading that shitbit of lore. I'm not subjecting myself to the drivel again to find it now.
NTA but There is an entire (horrible) space combat simulator called Lancer: battlegroup which proves you wrong senpai, you're misremembering.

>>95984323
They don't even care about gundam enough to watch it lol
They wanted to make star trek and realized that had already been made so they just hijacked another popular nerd media concept instead.

>>95984458
That came later thoebeightall.

>>95984441
Because if people realized the asshole is just some guy instead of the sniveling representation of their personal Satan, they might realize they’re just some asshole too. Imagine how many far right or far left weirdos are boring or even pathetic human beings if you stripped them of their struggle.

>>95984697
Most people just like to watch youtube and fling shit, Lancer is basically dead and myfarog is even more dead, so where is the actual rightoid/leftoid game with players?

>>95984725
Mothership.

>>95984458
The issue that they say space combat is beyond visual range and handled instantly by computers moving at extreme speeds, but then also there's mechs swordfighting each other in space and fucking boarding crews. It's very symptomatic of lancer writing. It's like they're so eager to throw in every cool concept they heard about in destiny or something that they forget it all has to fit together and mean something.

>>95984751
maybe that's one, but where's the rightoid game?

>>95984219
>Of course, the rightoid, confronted with the reality of left-wing creativity, is forced to resort to conspiracism to defend himself.
What creativity? A lot of older ips that people loved until the woke left subverted them and are now dead, hollow, shells of their firmer selves, Tolkien retcons that everyone hated, magic the gathering expansions that died like a dildo in lava, a bunch of near identical PBTA games, a 4ednd clone that is somehow worse, and a bunch of games that are "story driven" and have almost no crunch.

Meanwhile the Right and neutral thrive in the underground, making fun stuff and translating jp works.
I'm writing my own sci-fi rpg right now, and I can't wait to trial it. Others I know on the right draw, write, and create. The left can only steal and destroy, or copy repeatedly.

>>95984641
I don't see what's wrong with wanting to make star trek with mechs honestly.

People shitting on the setting like to talk shit about how union is some spotless luxury gay space communism nation as if they didn't spend almost a thousand years as evil space soviets before the Hercynian Crisis.

Third Com is terrified of using force because they want to distance themselves from Sec com but that just means all the other star nations know union won't bother with fighting them so long as they keep war crimes below critical mass.

The Trade Barons and HA murder each other constantly in the interest wars and can do it with impunity because they know by the time union responds the fighting will be over. As a peace keeping force they're quite shit.

People just learn about Miguel's stupid beliefs and then create a homonculus of the setting in their head to hate.

>>95984838
Clearly you just don't get it (tm), turning rich, deep, complex narratives into the same, bland gruel of Strong lesbians and cucked, weak melanoids is 103% creative, after all it's subverting your expectations of getting something decent.
I honestly feel sorry for blacks at the moment, imagine all your media rep being 'The eunuch best friend who slavishly worships at the white womans feet and sucks her toes clean whenever she steps in dogshit by having a woman moment'

At least we crickety crackers get to be villains, which requires a shred of agency.

>>95984788
>but where's the rightoid game?
Despite claims to the contrary, it's still Dark Heresy and Rogue Trader.

I dunno, man. I think a lot of the arguments being tossed around here are making noise for the sake of noise. Things that have genuine quality to them will persist and things that are bad will only be carried by the nitrous of identity politics before dying out. I remember when MJ in the Holland Spider-Man movies was all people could fucking talk about, but now it's forgotten because the movies were shit. LANCER is still discussed because it's actually got something worth telling, but the constant shitflinging feels like it's trying to be bigger than it really is. Does that make sense? A game with wine tastes but a beer budget, as my mom would say.

Why isn't /tg/ making its own right-wing TTRPG if its such an issue?

>>95984753
The computers spend most of their time in space combat fighting each other dude.

Space combat in lancer starts at extremely long range but inevitably closes into spitting distance because two fleets moving to intercept each other cannot disengage from one another.

Their forward momentum carries them into each other, turning around and flying away would require thrust equal to all the time you spent moving just to stop.

Fighters, bombers and boarding parties generally become useful in the later stages of space warfare when the fleets are close enough for them to be relevant.

>>95984909
Shitflinging in lancer threads is not started by people who like lancer.

>>95984909
Holland Spider-Man was one of the only Marvel movies that made big bucks after Endgame and that was the third one, people stopped seething about brown MJ around 2017.

>>95984838
>What creativity? A lot of older ips that people loved until the woke left subverted them and are now dead, hollow, shells of their firmer selves, Tolkien retcons that everyone hated, magic the gathering expansions that died like a dildo in lava, a bunch of near identical PBTA games, a 4ednd clone that is somehow worse, and a bunch of games that are "story driven" and have almost no crunch.
People HATE woke, that's why Barbie wound up being the #16 highest grossing film of all time (#14 at its peak).

This is just a tedious circle you guys go in. Every game that makes money is actually bad because it's left-wing, and people secretly hate it. Apocalypse World, Blades in the Dark, Lancer, Monsterhearts, Mothership, Daggerheart, Draw Steal, none of these actually hold any real appeal, it's all a secret conspiracy by the left wing to prop up art everyone secretly hates. Unlike your art, which nobody plays because it doesn't exist.

>I'm writing my own sci-fi rpg right now, and I can't wait to trial it.
I can't wait to read it.

Just - well, real quick check. It's not based on D&D, is it?

>>95984921
So, basically they took Lost Fleet book series combat but removed everything that made it actually work with large space fleet maneuvers, formation evolutions, skirting formation edges, using ligh-lag to your advantage and so on.

>>95984909
>LANCER is still discussed because it's actually got something worth telling
Lol no, it's discussed because discord troons try to astroturf it from time to time and then cry about the negative reaction in their discord. The actual setting has precisely nothing to say because it doesn't even know what it wants to be.

In fact the setting is explicitly antithetical to actually playing in because the writers were so protective of their pet setting that they baked in rules that any major changes you enact on the setting are ACKshully just the communist gangster computer god simulating your session because the Union can't ever be allowed to be harmed.

>>95984851
Oh, star trek with mechs is a fine concept. I'm sure it's been made already honestly. It's just funny that star trek is morally opposed to them and they don't even like gundam, so what we actually have is communist destiny.
Also people keep pointing out that union can't solve all the problems due to travel time as a criticism and yeah, that's the limpest criticism of their fantasy society that they left in. Their only real flaw is that it's physically impossible for them to save everyone from themselves immediately.
>>95984921
You can't have BVR near lightspeed combat that isn't even able to be controlled by humans and also have little pilots flying around in their mechs swordfighting at the same time. How are you even supposed to deploy, fight, and then get back to your own carriers?

>>95984946
>and that was the third one
You mean the one with Tobey Maguire Spiderman (aka the whitest whitebread with the whitest redbread MJ love interest) in it? Gee, I wonder why people showed up in droves to that movie...

>>95984995
>In fact the setting is explicitly antithetical to actually playing in because the writers were so protective of their pet setting that they baked in rules that any major changes you enact on the setting are ACKshully just the communist gangster computer god simulating your session because the Union can't ever be allowed to be harmed.
Honestly I think this is the funniest god damn shit about the setting.4
>Nuuuuu, you can't stop the stellarhomo collective!

Again, for anyone who wants Lancer but not made by feral lunatics, may I recommend Mindjammer.

You can even play as the Helghast-pilled SSpace Nazis if that's your inclination.
They've got an entire splatbook explaining their perspective and justifying why they act the way they do.
It's great.

>>95983478
Unfortunately for the state of discourse surrounding the game, the creators made the mistake of making their product overtly political, and used their official platform to advocate in support of a fairly extreme political position.
Regardless of the content of the game or it's quality, any discussion of it will inherently devolve into political bickering at some point.
Personally I can put aside the politics long enough to give the setting a fair shake and found it to lack what I'd consider necessary for me to seriously consider playing it.
While there's plenty of support for mech on mech combat, the lack of robust rules for anything other than mechs means that if you want to have your pilots spend any time outside of the mech, or encounter enemies that use anything other than mechs, you are in for a world of homebrew and free form gameplay.

I personally find that, in a vacuum, mechs lack any sense of scale. If there's no infantry to put the mechs in perspective, you may as well just be playing regular sized dudes fighting with regular sized weapons.

Not to mention I just prefer slightly harder sci fi, so the quasi magical technology working on hypothetical physics just doesn't do it for me.

>>95984946
>people stopped seething about brown MJ around 2017.
Because they became indifferent to it, so much of what people are complaining about can be solved by sheer indifference. Let things live or die by your actual interest in pursuing it. Like Avowed, or Concord, or Shadows. People loved to bitch about those games in the weeks leading up to them releasing, but now there's nothing to say because the games suck.

>>95984996
>Also people keep pointing out that union can't solve all the problems due to travel time as a criticism and yeah, that's the limpest criticism of their fantasy society that they left in.
It's less a critique of the union and more a critique of how the setting is so spastic with its attempts to be "hard" scifi and sci-fantasy at the same time that multiple aspects of the setting are directly at odds with one another. And then the writers tried to lazily plaster over these plotholes by stealing from Destiny and going "errrr....PARACAUSALITY???"

>>95985060
>>95984996
The only real complaint I have with the LANCER setting is the time-dilation. I don't want to spend 50 years flying to a hot zone. Actually do what Star Trek and Star Wars did and give us a world where you can, in fact, take a vacation to Ryza.

>>95984995
>In fact the setting is explicitly antithetical to actually playing in because the writers were so protective of their pet setting that they baked in rules that any major changes you enact on the setting are ACKshully just the communist gangster computer god simulating your session because the Union can't ever be allowed to be harmed.

I assume you're talking about Galsim? That just exists to let the GM retcon a TPK if he wants to, this version of Galsim exists only in your head.

>>95985010
Holland and Garfield appeared briefly at the end of the film, if anything nostalgiafags liked Dafoe Goblin more than anything. Also zendaya was around from start to finish.

>>95985086
*Maguire

>>95985040
I agree with this. The game also feels like it just has the mech theme as basic flavor without anything interesting going for it. It doesn't help that the devs made statements about hating mecha in general.

Lancer just seems like a more complicated 4e and is a struggle to play without some sort of aid. The almost magical tech being everywhere also makes it seem less impressive and kind of puts the setting/system in a weird spot of not really being super robot flavored nor a more grounded military mech setting. If you had some weird super tech show up occasionally, it would probably be a bit more interesting.

>>95985069
The time Dialation is cringe as shit thats true. HA are canonically on the edge of figuring out FTL you can mount on a ship and the Space Gypsies who worship RA already have it tho so you can just say its been invented and ignore that lore like I do whenever I run lancer.

>>95985060
>"errrr....PARACAUSALITY???"
Call it what it is - magic.

>>95985086
And they were plastered all over the advertising to get asses in seats. I don't remember seeing brown MJ on any of the ads (and I never actually watched the movie), but maybe that's because zendaya is so bland my mind erases her as visual noise.

Also, it's really odd that you feel the need to cite /tv/ slop instead of /tg/ slop if diversity is selling so well in traditional games.

>>95985110
I'm paraphrasing the writers, not endorsing them.

>>95985117
I was told MtG and DnD were going to die because of it and they're still top dogs?

>>95985102
>HA are canonically on the edge of figuring out FTL you can mount on a ship and the Space Gypsies who worship RA already have it tho so you can just say its been invented and ignore that lore like I do whenever I run lancer.
I don't know if you've read it, but Battlegroup mentions that HA have already figured it out. Not on the edge, but they've actually got a working model of a "mobile Blinkgate" outfitted on a battleship you can field in the system. If I ever ran a Lancer campaign, I'd be interested in doing a Hunt for Red October scenario for that ship.

>>95985126
>DnDrones
>Reading the book
Ahaha
Ahahahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>95984415
>Where's the system damage, the limb/component removal
Structure Damage
>the cockpit/core weak point,
Crits on 20+ rather than nat 20s.
>the ability to smack my piledriver into an enemy chassis and smash their laser, or walk autocannon shells across their mech, cratering a missile system and cooking off the missiles within resulting in a massive ammo cookoff that blows the left arm off and chisels a chunk from the engine
Pretty sure there are talents that let you do that.
> smashing the left hip actuator before a lucky return shot disables my hand actuator
So basically Battletech and nothing else.
>Oh wow, I must have missed her in the sea of browns.
Tough cookies. You said there was no white people and I proved you wrong so stop moving goalposts to rationalize your paranoia.
>HA still lack a magical queefbot and paracausial tech
Nope. HA is ahead in paracausal tech.
>Lolno, I remember reading that shitbit of lore.
So you're a liar.
>n. I'm not supporting those that want me dead and my nation and culture destroyed.
Prove it. Prove they're out to destroy you. Prove it's not just in your head.

Coward.

>>95984418
Dnd prior to the complete take over was extremely right wing. You just cant see that because it's so embedded in the zeitgeist.

>>95985117
It's not odd at all since the guy I was responding to brought it up, right here >>95984909, hope it wasn't you since if it was a memory check is needed
those movies might have been slop but they were commercial successes and stuff in them became normalized

>>95985100
Lancer is in desperate need of a second edition rewrite to unfuck it, thats true.

I like the Game but it has problems both narratively and mechanically. Tom Bloom seems to have come pretty far tho so its possible.

>>95985126
>DnD
>top dog
It's been trending downwards for years

And MtG is selling purely on crossover faggotry and NFTbros speculating on cardboard.

>>95985157
yes, the well known radical tradcath monarchists Gygax, Arneson, Greenwood...

>>95984344
Hes using the example to describe an ongoing problem, dont be disingenuous. Read about the futurians or even what that homo southern writer had to say about the scene if you need further confirmation. It's so pervasive it's embedded in the liberal arts sphere at this point. That includes ttrpgs

>>95985117
>Also, it's really odd that you feel the need to cite /tv/ slop instead of /tg/ slop if diversity is selling so well in traditional games.
We already established to a clear and crushing degree that:
- WotC and GW are woke (bad), but they're actually losing money, and anyway their success doesn't count (they're parasitizing Good, Conservative stuff, so their success isn't theirs)
- All the indie games are woke too (bad), except ACKS, and their success doesn't count because they don't make money and/or they DO make money but it's a cartel where they keep any rightoids from selling games so they monopolize the market completely

As such, /tg/ stuff is all woke diverse slop already and we're all agreed, and probably at least one of those games is successful. It's just the rightoids believe this is due to various insidious conspiracies rather than the fact that artists are overwhelmingly libs.

>>95985129
That thing can't manage strategic FTL, only short ranged jumps, it can't even go between planets in a solar system.

Its only useful to nothin personnel an enemy flagship that just tried to shoot you with its Tachyon laser.

Its just a stepping stone in their endgame to be able to expand outside of the blinkspace network.

>>95985200
>We
lol

>>95985202
Yep, we. If I had not had this conversation (multiple times), I would be much less convinced of the creative bankruptcy of rightoids; as is, though, it's clear they produce virtually no art. Maybe Gygax was a mutant, maybe the right wing has suffered some severe brain damage over the past fifty years, but if rightoids could cite a game they made that's not ACKS they would have by now.

>>95985185
I'm pointing out that it is and has been a problem for ~100 years.
To the point where one could argue that it's become a foundational part of 'left wing art'.
He's opted to ignore that though. Don't bother engaging, he's not worth the sweat or cum.

>>95985200
What's ACKS and does anyone play it?

>>95985215
>dude talks with himself and then pats himself on the back for agreeing with his own pre-arranged strawmen
Collectivists are so strange

>>95985224
You are welcome, at any time, to mention a single TTRPG made by a conservative creator that's a) good, and b) not just D&D. You can't, though, and you know it, so you have to whine about strawmen.

Every time we have this conversation, I get to see once again the complete intellectual and artistic bankruptcy of you people.

>>95985218
>What's ACKS and does anyone play it?
I do and it can be summed up as:
>What if someone finally filled out all the gaps in OSR gameplay and made it a toolbox.
It's really, really good shit, with the built-in expectation that your characters won't just be wandering jackoffs for the entire campaign, but actually gain respect, renown and rulership, thus the name
>Adventurer
>Conqueror
>King

And now we just have to wait for our resident hater to notice someone mentioned ACKS and come by to seethe about it being talked about in a positive tone.

>>95985216
>guys, we would totally make great art if it wasn't for the evil lefties keeping us down, for real, it definitely is real, the crushing power of the CPUSA is keeping me from just writing an RPG and putting it up on DTRPG.
Do you think black people whine about historical discrimination and use it as an excuse to not try to succeed? Just curious.

>Mention any game that isn't ACKS
If you looked at the proglodyte response to ACKS then you'd be able to understand why ACKS is the only one most people can mention.
For all we know there's some game designers out there who are more right wing than Pinochet, but they're not going to say it because you'll try to destroy them.
https://archive.is/0Nv3c
Highly relevant link.

>Complain about the gay homo of LANCER
>Never commission art of hot blonde pilots or dashing white male heroes
>Never write stories of husband/wife power pairs that fight for liberation of a planet, or a man struggling to move on from the loss of his lover by keeping a Comp/Conn of her personality, or a scientist that could never have kids due to rancid womb disease so she put her eggs in a seedship so she could claim the stars themselves hold her legacy
>Or like, a cosmopolitan fleet of Mormons, or a Constellar World modeled after Faerun because somebody’s gotta make that gene-stock for wild worlds
>Or even just fucking set your campaign in the Diaspora and make every token or character art of a white man/woman, and never bring up pronouns

Nah, the real solution is to,
>Make the same complaints people have been making on 4chan for the last five years

>>95985290
>Dude just pay for there to be more art for this game made by people that hate you, it's the only way to own them
Nah, I'll commission art for games that aren't made by cocksucking commies, if it's all the same to you.

>>95985294
ACKS commissions are probably as common as FATAL ones

>>95985290
Why would I commission art in the service of lancer when the game is pure slop? Why wouldn't I just commission art of PCs from actually good mech games instead, like my Embryo Machine PC or my Battletech PC? Hell, I'm currently shopping around for someone to commission for a PC of a JTTRPG PC that's one of my favorite PCs to date.

>>95985278
So... there isn't a game that isn't ACKS? You agree?

I'm not really interested in your excuse making for why. Cope, seethe, and dilate, loser. The reason you don't put out games is that you can't.

>>95985294
Sure, but stewing in your anger and throwing bricks at the thread’s window is way less enduring, either for your message or your mood, than creating genuine change that forces the community you hate to react in a way that isn’t immediately defensive. A cute WMWF couple that is well-written and given focus will do more damage to the lefties than any three paragraph polemic.

>>95985149
>Structure Damage
So, meatpoints with no location correlation
>le heckin 20+ crits!
So, dnd
Let's check out Nechronica shall we? A doll fires a weapon at a savant (enemy doll). The weapon does 4 damage, she rolls a 7, hitting the legs but uses a support 2 and support 1component to boost this to a headshot. The savant triggers a hinder 2, the result is an 8, torso.
The weapon does 4 damage, the savant triggers her defence 1 part, reducing the damage to 3. 3 damage so 3 components destroyed. The savant loses her remaining entrails (no effect), an adrenal gland (max ap reduced by 1) and her spine (unable to store ap for later use).
The savant is next in the queu and closes with the doll, but because the doll spent so much ap on her attack the savant is able to go again. The savant attacks with her weapon, rolling a 9 and hitting the dolls arm.
The weapon does 1 damage but it has the dismember trait, snd the doll lacks defense, her steel bones having been knocked out earlier, so she has to make the check.
The check is failed, and her arms are removed, destroying all components in them including her gun!
Replace "doll" and "savant" with "mech" and fluff the support/hinder components as improved targeting systems and chaff and the steel bones as protective plates and you have 2 mechs during it out. Entrails are misc bits, spine is an energy condenser, the adrenal gland a supercharger.
Meanwhile in lancer its "I roll to hit, I do x damage to your hp"
>talents
Oh wow, so a core component of mech combat is relegated to feats
>So basically Battletech and nothing else
Translate as you wish to other systems, I'm using it as an easy reference point.
>stop moving goalposts
You would have to return them first, mind bringing them back?
Theres so many brownoids I genuinely forgot there was a single none naz-sorry, HA white in the book.
>paracausial tech
Weird how they are not winning then...
>coward
You shouldn't use words you don't understand

>>95985337
NTA but even ACKS is one more good game than the left has.

>>95985349
>A cute WMWF couple
People have made those in DnD and it hasn't died. We must do more.

>>95985369
Hell, fucking Princess Wing is more mecha than Lancer and it's a magical girl game. A mecha musume one, but magical girls all the same. The combat actually factors in things like momentum, impact, and weight classes beyond mere meatpoints and feats. Plus you build up your mecha musume outfit based on a central "dress code" (i.e. mech frame) and adding in different armaments, boosters, utilities, skills, etc.

>>95985294
>>95985323
If you want to colonize a game community, you need to start with sincere interest in being part of it. It’s how the lefties supposedly conquered tabletop, and it means spending years working on changing the social landscape until it expresses what you want things to be. There will never be strong white characters in LANCER unless people like you show there’s an honest market for them in the game.

>>95985349
>Sure, but stewing in your anger and throwing bricks at the thread’s window is way less enduring, either for your message or your mood, than creating genuine change that forces the community you hate to react in a way that isn’t immediately defensive.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm here to just point out that Lancer is cursed, why it's cursed and suggest alternatives.
Lancer has no influence on my mood and let the programmer-socks-and-anime-profile-pics brigade stew in their ideological gooncave for all I care.
I'm off doing my own thing and running my own games.
And doing long form write ups of them which I share on here sometimes without ever mentioning my ideology one way or the other, because unlike them I can produce media outside of 'art as a weapon' style political screes.

>>95985395
What about the ultimate? WMAF

>>95985303
I dunno, Rolling for Anal Circumference is pretty meme worthy.

>>95985410
>If you want to colonize a game community
I don't want to. They can stick to their faggy lil discord ghetto. I'll just continue shitposting them off /tg/ and watching them cry.

>>95985434
Was it a commission or did they do it for free?

>>95985470
It really is a remarkable mask off moment isn't it, when they indirectly admit that they can't even comprehend the idea of 'Lol, your shit is gay but I'm not interested in ruining it for you'.
They can't even imagine seeing something you dislike without trying to engage in Machiavellianist power games so you can take it over and fuck it up.

>>95985395
Keep making them, dude. The last year should be evidence enough that the old hegemons of the industry are vulnerable, so keep grinding them down by showing another way, a better way. You don’t catch flies with vinegar.
>>95985414
>That spoiler
My man! I miss the 2010s, when WMAF seemed to he everywhere. Those were exciting times.

>>95985369
>You would have to return them first, mind bringing them back?
Remind me what they were first.
>Weird how they are not winning then...
Because everyone hates them for fucking up Union during 2Com.
>You shouldn't use words you don't understand
You're absolutely convinced that someone is going to kill you for the color of your skin despite not having any evidence of that happening.

Paranoid and Delusional come to mind but if you'd have any courage you'd lurk Liberal areas to learn what we actually think. Know thy enemy. However, you come off as a paranoid madman so I'm pretty sure you're too cowardly to do that.

>>95985525
>Paranoid and Delusional come to mind but if you'd have any courage you'd lurk Liberal areas to learn what we actually think. Know thy enemy. However, you come off as a paranoid madman so I'm pretty sure you're too cowardly to do that.
They don't want to know how liberals think, they want to be justified in their hatred and told that they are the benighted minority. Actually knowing what liberals think might interfere with that.

>>95985501
I want WMBF but unfortunately even that may not be enough to collapse the Woke since Marvel has been doing Wolverine/Storm recently.

>>95985562
>I want WMBF but unfortunately even that may not be enough to collapse the Woke since Marvel has been doing Wolverine/Storm recently.
WMBF but with raceplay is the answer to that.
Plus it'd steal their demographics, in all my time online I've only met one black girl that wasn't into raceplay. It's like catnip.

>>95985587
>That spoiler
Dude, join a dating app and actually match with black chicks. Most of them have big tits and no delusion you want them.

>>95985544
I know. They're also so proud and convinced that they're big, brave, macho men that being called a coward cuts them deep. Thus, I have them in a Fork. Either they stay as they are and I get to twist the emotional knife or they actually dive into Liberal politics and realize how much they've been lied to.

>>95985215
You seem very convinced that you haven't just been arguing with the same retard for months on end on this anonymous image sharing website

>>95985736
Anyone could post a game that's not ACKS at any time, they don't because they can't.

>>95985736
It’s true, I didn’t want to let it slip, but it was me, it’s always been me. I compulsively look for LANCER threads to shit up, I’ve been doing it for years. Whining about trans art? Me. Wailing about commiefornia? Me. Bitching about the lack of white people in the lore?

Heh.

>>95985759
Sir this is a lancer thread, stay on topic, or at least talk about mechs

Okay, I looked up ACKS on /tg/ archive and there's shitloads of post shilling for it and shitting for it, a lot of them deleted, along with poster drama. It appears to be more of meme than anything.

>>95985797
Did you get to the Fish economics?
Memes aside, ACKS is pretty good, it just has one autist that turns up any time it gets mentioned and shits up threads to try and get it banned here. Not even joking.

>>95985766
I mostly come to them with popcorn to watch the retards fight, so thanks for the free entertainment

>>95983963
Yeah, no.
It's a stereotype for a reason. Just because I'm being mean to them doesn't mean I'm "biased," it just means they're actually that ludicrous.
And honestly, I've far passed the point of being polite with these people. They're disgusting, and they need to be treated like they are. Trying to be calm, reasonable, and compassionate with people who are openly hostile and psychotic just validates and normalized their shitty behavior.
Not to mention, you're sitting here lecturing me about my worldview when really the only problem with it is that it doesn't conform to your narrative. You know the best part about arguing with people whose only """point""" comes down to describing a narrative?
I can just ignore you and call you a delusional retard, because your narrative can be tested via the scientific method. As in, you can go verify whether or not what I'm saying is true with your own fucking eyes.
Go to pilot.net, see what happens when you disagree with them. Go in there and say something like, "I think the Third Committee is just as bad as the Second Committee, just with better PR."
Go in there, say that, see what happens, come back.
Report back to me about whether or not these are le heckin chungus reasonable people. Until then, fuck off. Retards like you get too used to just spreading twitter-tier lies about how "If you just look at it from the perspective where I'm always right and you're always wrong-" BS.
We live in a concrete world, with concrete, verifiable facts. Just because you can describe them as not being lunatic psychopaths doesn't mean they aren't.
You people will literally trumpet about how you essentially can't tell the difference between reality and your daydream fanfiction of how you'd prefer reality to be, and then somehow you sit there and put on airs as if *I'm* the ignorant one in this conversation. Fuck off. I'm telling you right now, you're inhabiting a realm of delusional fantasy, and I'm not going to play ball with it.

>>95986105
There's also the fact you've been caught in several verifiable lies.

>>95966334 (OP)
Lancer might not be the best game for you if you're looking for something like pathfinder or 5e. Its very much a mech combat focused game with few rules for roleplay.

Your group may be more at home with something like starfinder, it also has mecha and vehicles rules, so if you're looking to run a mech campaign it's still totally viable.

>>95986231
Like what, dude?
This is what I mean by you retards being obsessed with narratives. What lies? You just call me a liar as if you have proof, but... What are you talking about?
Nothing, pretty much.
You people just stamp your feet, make shit up, and then get upset when people don't just fucking conform to your perspective.
Saying you even have arguments is a total misnomer. There's nothing rational about how you interact with the world.
Let me demonstrate how you people act, so you can comprehend how it feels to be on the end of your lunacy:
>"You keep telling me I'm a liar even though you LITERALLY ADVOCATE FOR GENOCIDE! The people on Pilot.net are evil, and they want to kill all white people, so why are you constantly defending this???"
Your whole strategy is to just make shit up until you win by default. The point where it crosses into being a fucking mental illness though, is that you actually believe the shit you say, despite it being such obvious bullshit. You're just straight up a delusional lunatic.

>>95981023
It's all half-truths injecting /pol/shit buzzwords in such a haphazard way as to gut it of any validity.

>>95986105
>Stereotypes exist for a reason
Like the one where the right wing are generally stupid liars, and if not, are just straight captain planet villains?

>>95986281
Now, stereotypes exist for a reason, so I'm going to side with the other guy when he calls you a liar without even reading the posts.

>>95986389
You're so fucking crazy, lol.
I can't believe how you can actually say shit like this with zero self awareness. You talk like a brainwashed schizophrenic; trying to reason with you is obviously impossible.

>>95986281
see>>95982767
>Again, cross Galaxy sniping. But I guess there was need for some reason to fight
Also
>That all I saw throughout the entire book
Which was proven in >>95983423
although we can't rule out you being stupid.

Of course, you can claim these weren't you but you can't prove that without a tripcode. Why didn't you use a tripcode? Are you ashamed of what you post?

>>95986264
I heard Lancer's not good at doing gameplay outside of the mech. Which is something one of my friends who is a huge mech fan insists on doing, since he enjoys the idea of stealth and infiltration missions, to the point he'd been trying to kludge together his own system for a while since few systems seem to satisfy the level of crunch he wants. Is this true? Or are there some kind of optional rulesets for Lancer that lets you do this?

>>95986503
They've improved it with Bonds from Field Guide to the Karrakan Trade Baronies but it's still pretty shallow. If you want to do out-of-cockpit stuff then Lancer isn't really your game.

>>95986503
It's not good at doing gameplay in the mech either!

>>95980213
I'm going to break it down for you so your infantile mind can comprehend what I'm getting at: Making the bad guys look cool is counter-productive to your gay space politics. Impressionable young men are going to flock to the strong, handsome man and not the obese lesbian in a wheelchair. Why the left continues to push the "good guys = ugly disabled people" is beyond me because it backfires 95% of the time. The only time it works is when the consumer is already an obese lesbian with a predisposition to queer communism. Of course a teenager is going to grow up to be a fascist when every fascist in media is portrayed as the smug Chad and every anti-fascist is portrayed as the crying Wojak.

>>95984081
D&D, the game that made TTRPGs what they are, was created by an ancap, you retard.
>You'll always lose because you can't produce anything of your own.
If this were true, your ilk wouldn't be crying about the right controlling every major institution and industry. Does the right have everything or do they have nothing? Make up your mind after you blame le 1% for you having no marketable skills other than foaming a latte.

>>95986657
I mean you could replace gay paracausal robots with your random fantasy classes and nothing at all would change.
I love these threads. Lancer bronies are like more deranged Jehovah Witnesses.

>>95986481
>My argument is that I'm schizo! =D
For the third time, you people are just fucking crazy. Can't be reasoned with. Stupid. Aggressive. Dumb.

>>95985525
Curious, I see you seem to have forgotten to reply to my Nech vs Lancer combat run-through. Is that perchance because you cannot without admitting lancer is not really a mech game? Please, whilst your returning the goalposts, give it some thought. Or is it another uncomfortable truth to be un-thought?
>>95985544
>>95985653
>or they actually dive into Liberal politics and realize how much they've been lied to
>They don't want to know how liberals think

>Paranoid and Delusional come to mind but if you'd have any courage you'd lurk Liberal areas to learn what we actually think.
Fun fact, I'm actually liberal myself, but over here it means something different. Now, hard authoritarian left, or "liberal" as you burgers weirdly call it, I'm going to really shock you here:
I used to be one.
I was a proud Red boy, I joined the marches, I chanted the slogans, I defended the "minorities". Difference between us is that I'm able to see things and question, and the more I asked the more the ugly truths became apparent and the more repulsed I was. I know this clashes with your world view, where all the righties are just ignorant peons being lied too and as soon as we look into your camp we will see how amazing communism and lefto-fascism is and come running to join your perfect cult, begging to be let in, but it's true. I was one of you, I came from your side, and I was able to see the truth and it filled me with revulsion.
The subsequent decade of #killallwhitemen, straight white man shaming, and massed communist insurrection's and riots over a drug abusing violent thief dying of overdose didn't really add any appeal to your side either.
You stand for hatred, authoritarianism, sectarianism, and are the antithesis to all that is good and beautiful. I know because I was there and got out.
Now, tell me about Nechronica and why it out does lancer as a mech game.

>>95987138
That's because you're confusing SJWs with the rank and file liberals. You really ought to dive into liberal forums now and then.

You won't. Because you're a coward. But you should.

What happened was that the entertainment industry saw some massive success by adopting even marginal Liberal policies and this led to a Purity Spiral where the feelings of Liberalism was pushed to greater and greater extremes until minorities ended up being pushed ahead of majorities in some fields. Of course, the whole thing cannibalized it'self and there were never enough people involved to sustain a market. The end result was not enough talent working on the games and not enough market. Games like SW:Outlaws failed and Concord got cancelled.

tl;dr Liberals didn't embrace "good guys = ugly disabled people" and that's why those games and movies failed.

>>95983489
>California Histerfaggot pontificating about how aschually Whites don't exist and there's no such thing as a native white
>Welsh Beast comes in over the horizon blasting Men of Harlech and rapes him so viciously, so brutally, so hard that he pretends not to see it and just stops talking about race entirely for the rest of the thread and changes tactics completely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkBQAvAFjus
This ones for you, Welshanon. Everything you do to sheep for the next 72 hours is forgiven.

>>95987474
Reply to me, facsidrone >>95987379
Face up to one whom broke the conditioning

>>95987589
Anon, I hate to break it to you but he doesn't want to break the conditioning.
He's outright admitted in this very thread that he uses coward because he thinks everyone to the right of Lenin is so bucktoothed, moonshine swillin', cousin fuckin' stupid that they'll immediately feel the need to prove their machismo by watching Vaush or some shit only to immediately transform mid-youtube short into a femboy in programmer socks and a polycute or some shit.

He doesn't think of any of us as people, he's an ideologue and will never, ever understand because he actively puts his energy into not doing so.
Pic highly relevant.

>>95987379
I don't believe you
>I was a proud Red boy
The Heck?
> #killallwhitemen
The HELL?
> riots over a drug abusing violent thief dying of overdose
You mean George Floyd? The man who was said "I can't breath" while cops knelt on his back and didn't do anything? You remember this was all caught on camera, right?
>massed communist insurrection
Really? Where?
>Now, tell me about Nechronica and why it out does lancer as a mech game.
You mean that game about little robot girls slowly going insane? Yeah, that one's just weird. You'd have to be the kind of weirdo that likes playing as a little girl but also the kind of weirdo that likes seeing little girls get hurt physically and emotionally. Honestly, the fact that you know the system well enough to simulate a turn or two is kinda disturbing.

I sure love this discussion about traditional games.

>>95987662
>Knowing how to play games that give me the ick is a moral sin
Lmao, unironic 'D&D turned my kid into a gay satanist' argument. Incredible.
That's the reach you're going for? Pathetic.

>>95987662
>The Heck?
I was one of you. I got out.
>The HELL?
Ah, I see we are now memoryholing the major cultural leftwing movements of the past decade as they have become inconvenient to the narrative.
>You mean George Floyd? The man who was said "I can't breath" while cops knelt on his back and didn't do anything? You remember this was all caught on camera, right?
You mean the man whom was restrained with a leg over the side of his neck, miles from his windpipe, where anything that cut off his airway would first have had to physically severe his cartoroid artery? Or crush it so far he would have been dead from a lack of blood flow to his brain?
The same man whom was found to have enough fentanyl to kill a horse in his bloodstream when the first post mortem was done?
The man whom was martyred by retards looking for an excuse to riot and smash, despite him being a notoriousviolent thief?
That man?
>Really? Where?
I assume you missed antifas attempts across America. Or memoryholed them
>ugh, Nechronica is icky and gross only sickos play it
Tell me you don't know the game without telling me you don't know it. Nechronica is a game about characters pulling together and supporting each other in a miserable and grim post apocalyptic hellscape, trying to survive and pulling together to keep each other going. It's a brilliant game.
But my point was not about Nechs themes, it was that Nech makes a better mecha game than lancer, a statement I followed up with an example. Stop deflecting and reply to my core point.

I always find it fascinating when these fuckers come knocking on the door of nerds.

All most nerds want is to be left alone, they're generally pretty libertarian, live and let live, accepting of the lifestyles of others, ect.
And because of that authoritarians, be it on the left or the right, always think they're going to be push arounds.

You might have the institutions, but Gamergate (oh what a time it was) was the first reason you were told to get fucked for a reason.
And the harder you grasp the deeper we dig in.
After all, there's nothing Chuds are better at than surviving underground.

>>95987662
>You mean that game about little robot girls slowly going insane? Yeah, that one's just weird. You'd have to be the kind of weirdo that likes playing as a little girl but also the kind of weirdo that likes seeing little girls get hurt physically and emotionally. Honestly, the fact that you know the system well enough to simulate a turn or two is kinda disturbing.

So we're not even going to attempt to address the point of the argument here, we're just gonna call people weird for playing biopunk magic girl apocalypse?

I'm not the kind of autist who demands their mech game to be fully simulationist and I think the guy you're arguing with is a fucking retard but you should really try and do better than this anon.

>>95987792
>I assume you missed antifas attempts across America. Or memoryholed them
Boy ANTIFA are a bunch of LARPing 20 somethings looking for an excuse to break shit. You're operating on the same level of partisanbrain as the knuckledraggers who call Jan 6th an organised coup.

>>95987792
>I was one of you. I got out.
>Ah, I see we are now memoryholing the major cultural leftwing movements of the past decade as they have become inconvenient to the narrative.
Never heard of the Red Boys and #killallwhitemen never went anywhere.
>You mean the man whom was restrained with a leg over the side of his neck, miles from his windpipe, where anything that cut off his airway would first have had to physically severe his cartoroid artery? Or crush it so far he would have been dead from a lack of blood flow to his brain?
Slow suffocation from pressure on his chest. Similar to a crucifixion. Doesn't matter what drugs he was on, the police are responsible for his health and safety as soon as George was taken into custody.
>The same man whom was found to have enough fentanyl to kill a horse in his bloodstream when the first post mortem was done?
And the officers didn't have Narcan? Shame.
>I assume you missed antifas attempts across America. Or memoryholed them
You mean the attempts that were claimed to be Antifa despite having no connection to the movement,
>Tell me you don't know the game without telling me you don't know it.
Of course I don't know the game. I couldn't finish reading the rulebook, it was that disturbing. I don't talk about Nechronica's rules because I don't know Nechronica's rules and frankly I have no interesting in learning it's rules.

>>95987829
I was happy to remain silent on the topic but Anon insisted. Not my fault he didn't get the answer he wanted.

>>95987474
Have you ever been to a klan rally? No? Guess you're a coward with no convictions.

>>95987978
Nah, go further.
>If you've never been to a NAMBLA meeting, you're a coward!
Oh who are we kidding.
That anon probably has a membership card.

>>95987946
>I couldn't finish reading the rulebook, it was that disturbing.

>>95987662
>won't somebody think of poor ol' George Heckin Floyderino??!!!!
Subhumans do not deserve to share air with me. And I'm not even talking about his skin color.

>>95987662
>The HELL?
Have you really memory holed college administrations trying to institute "days without whiteness" where white students wouldn't be allowed to attend class or even set foot on campus or professors announcing "white genocide, best day of my life" and barely getting a slap on the wrist for it?

You've probably also memory holed that antifa professor who tried to kill a dude with a bikelock and UC Berkeley was trying to protect his identity until internet autists sniffed him out.

>>95987946
Stop playing obtuse, you know what I mean, "red boy" ie, a hard lefty. A commie.
>Slow suffocation from pressure on his chest. Similar to a crucifixion.
But you just said the knee was on his neck. His neck is completely separate from his chest, and the camera footage shows this, his chest was unaffected. Stop trying to alter the truth.
>Of course I don't know the game. I couldn't finish reading the rulebook, it was that disturbing. I don't talk about Nechronica's rules because I don't know Nechronica's rules and frankly I have no interesting in learning it's rules.
But you do not have too. Let's go over this
I claim Nechronica, the zombie loli game, is a better mech sim than lancer
I follow it up with an example showing how combat in Nechronica is attrition based with combatants suffering system loss as parts are disabled, until they surrender or are rendered non functional.
Lancer, otoh, gives mechs meat points, and combatants largely function at full capacity till destruction unless critical hits happen or someone uses a feat, sorry, trait that allows for some form of component destruction or reduction in capability.
Nechronica is a better mech game. Can you respond to this core point of my argument or are you going to do another "errr, gross" and ramble on about how playing an unsanctioned game makes me a weirdo?

>>95988010
Let me break out the paradox of safe edge screencap.
He's really swinging for the cheap seats in terms of retard claims though isn't he?

>>95988010
Eh. This guy types like a normal fag, he probably wasn't expecting anime girl necromorph RPG.

>>95988028
>Misdirected from the fact that the Police were responsible for Floyd and decided to point guns at unarmed civilians rather than check to see if he was dying.
It's like you don't want to convict criminals.

>>95988032
Yeah, that was just Evergreen. It was even panned by CNN if I remember.

>>95968641
>they thought warhammer was doomerism (they didn't get it, thought it was too fashy anyway)
Devoting your life to fight against an impossible situation is fascism. Being a faggot and hoping magic fixes the world is communism. Hope this helps.

>>95988036
>But you just said the knee was on his neck.
Really? When?
>Nechronica is a better mech game. Can you respond to this core point of my argument or are you going to do another "errr, gross" and ramble on about how playing an unsanctioned game makes me a weirdo?
Can you get out of your "Mech" in Nechronica? Eject? Swap Mechs?

>>95987662
>ummm Nech is heckin WEIRD
NTA but seal clapping for a gay communist globohomo empire that kneels on the necks of isolationist mudfarmers is
just weird. Nechronica is a very human game and if you can't see that then you are likely a soulless bugman who can't be reasoned with.
>ummm, you KNOW THINGS?! that's a big YIKES my guy...
Funny how you've yet to actually address the mechanics he so kindly laid before you on a silver platter because you scoff at the source.

More than just funny, it's real fucking hypocritical coming from the camp that keeps trying to urge people to buy Lancer and "homebrew all the stuff you don't like out". Why should I ever give Lancer the benefit of the doubt and try to make the best of it if you can't even bring yourself to read mechanics another anon laid out plainly for you because you find the source "problematic"?

>>95988053
I don't. I want them shot dead in the street like dogs. I'd prefer it if the people did it, but leftists can't decide if they're ACAB or if they only want cops to have all the guns.

>>95988074
Yeah but the difference is human tragedy is immiscible with his bugman 'mankind as interchangeable units of labour' world view.
Meanwhile playing faceless goons mortaring Kulaks for the revolution (Remember, Utopia is only another corpse away Comrade!) is in line with his morality and therefore acceptable.

>>95987657
Oh I know anon. I'm just enjoying watching him squirm and frantically try to deflect and run off with the goalposts.

>>95988086
Ah yes, silence the criminals so they can't spill your dirty secrets. There's a reason we have courts.

>>95987946
>I couldn't finish reading the rulebook, it was that disturbing.
It's so funny to see you wannabe iconoclasts bilk at anything even remotely outside your little memphis corporate flavored revolution. Not that Nechronica is really even that edgy, it just uses body horror to accentuate the humanity and fragility of the PCs.

>>95988074
>NTA but seal clapping for a gay communist globohomo empire that kneels on the necks of isolationist mudfarmers is
Y'know, you never got around to showing that was in Lancer. Kinda weird your entire argument hinges on it.

>>95987977
>I was happy to remain silent
Yeah, because he blew you the fuck out.

>>95988114
Hey, I'm just saying why I don't talk about Nechronica. Not my fault he keeps bringing it up.

>>95988058
>It's not happening
>It's not a big deal that it's happening, you're overreacting (you are here)
>It's actually a good thing that it's happening
>You're a bigot if you oppose it happening
Every fucking time.

>>95988123
And yet he doesn't like his answer. FAFO.

>>95988139
So...can you name any other place it happened?

I still find it amusing that a sheepfucker of all things blew him the fuck out so hard that he can't even acknowledge it happened.
>A god damn Welshman

>>95988071
>Really? When?
Right here:
>>95987662
>"You mean George Floyd? The man who was said "I can't breath" while cops knelt on his back and didn't do anything? You remember this was all caught on camera, right?"
>can you eject out of your mech/swap mech
Arguably yes, you can have your head (or whatever your 'core' is) ripped off and attached to a new body if one is available. My players have done it before now. Some dolls can even dismantle themselves without needing to severe the neck.
Stop "umm akshually"ing and face the statement head on.
Nechronica is a better mech game than lancer
Nechronica characters function closer to mechs than lancers mechs do
Despite Nechronica being a cutesy zombie loli game and not a mech game.

>>95988122
It's all over the rulebook and directly stated by the creators. I'm not going to cite and clip this shit for you for the umpteenth time since you always play this timewasting game and then tell me to disbelieve my lying eyes because those words don't mean the things they say.

>You need to come to our gay communist meetings and embrace everything said there mindlessly or else you're a coward
>What, play a game that's outside my comfort zone, ew, gross, never-ever and anyone that does is morally suspect
It's like pottery.
It rhymes.

>>95988147
>his answer
The answer you gave was that you're a squeamish faggot who can't handle themes more mature than some Steven Universe shit.

I can't even say "more mature than a kids show" because Nechronica is pretty damn basic coming of age and power of friendship stuff at ots core.
>FAFO
Ironic

>>95988036
>Nechronica is a better mech game. Can you respond to this core point of my argument or are you going to do another "errr, gross" and ramble on about how playing an unsanctioned game makes me a weirdo?
NTA and I'm gonna try despite having no idea how to play Necronica either.
Firstly I'm not sure if you're aware but it actually is possible for your mech gear to be destroyed when playing lancer.

Hull Points are a measurement of your mechs general durability while structure is a measure of your mechs structural integrity. If your HP hits zero you lose 1 structure point and need to roll on what is essentially a 40k style vehicle damage table. Roll 1d6 and consult the structure damage table to see what happens.

2 of the results on the structure damage table result in the destruction of mech equipment, either weapons or "systems"

After resolving structural damage your HP resets back to full and you keep playing as normal, you get 4 structure points per mech and have no way of increasing or decreasing this, you could read this as you having 4 HP bars but it is not really true.

When rolling for structure damage you roll a number of dice equal to your missing structure and pick the worst result, meaning when you lose your second structure you roll 2d6, you roll 3d6 after losing your third structure, etc. In addition to this if you ever roll 2 or more 1s when making a structure damage test your mech is automatically wrecked as if you had lost your last structure.

Meaning you can be destroyed while still having 2 structure left because you rolled snake eyes on your damage test and something vital was destroyed.

From what I am aware Nechronica is a pure battle of attrition, two people slug it out until one side either surrenders or has had all its limbs destroyed, this works for magic zombies but doesn't work as well for robots which possess vital components they need to function. Lancer represents this while to my knowledge Nechronica does not.

>>95987728
>Lancer thread

What do you mean, it says politics right at the top

>>95988155
Anti-white hiring practices across the yech and vidya sector
The Democrat mayoral candidate for NYC putting race-based tax brackets on his platform
The former chairmen of the joint chiefs of staff (until Trump dismissed him) of the US military blaming white men for political tensions in the US
BRIDGE in its entirety

But I'm sure you'll deny all these too.

>>95988176
You can't cite it because you're lying.
>>95988174
>"You mean George Floyd? The man who was said "I can't breath" while cops knelt on his back and didn't do anything? You remember this was all caught on camera, right?"
>The man who was said "I can't breath" while cops knelt on his back and didn't do anything?
>while cops knelt on his back
>knelt on his back
Get help. You're having a psychotic break.

>>95988284
Can you show ANY of that happening?

>>95988284
Why is the first result on Google when I try to fact check the NYC thing from the Jerusalem post.

>>95988220
Yes, I am forcing you to delve into the dreaded depths of *Shutters* Reddit!

Outsider looking in. Both of you are being disingenuous faggots. Both of you are creeps for different reasons. Both of you should kill yourself.

>>95988220
As always;
>Entitled to everything
>Compromising on nothing
>Demanding of your all
>Giving nothing of themselves

>>95988235
Steven Universe ends with the protagonist having a PTSD attack, murdering someone, resurrecting them with his powers, going full god complex, turning into a giant monster and getting jumped by his entire extended family. Its too mature for anon as well.

Rose Quartz is in the top ten list of worst moms in fiction and she spends the whole show dead.

>>95988333
Love the digits anon.

>>95988320
>Shutters
On no, it's esl

>>95988333
Yes, I think I drove the other guy into schizophrenia. Best stop now before we reproduce the King in Yellow.

>>95988313

>>95988318
A jewish site gaming the SEO? Say it ain't so! Next you'll tell me those youtubers DON'T actually recommend I play Raid: Shadow Legends!

>>95988420
If the merchants are shit talking someone they cannot be all bad tho.

So lets see here and...yeah I had a feeling this thread would end up like this.
I mean seriously, most of you people are fucking retarded, holy shit. This is why I stay closer to the middle because either extreme is filled with crazy fuckers I swear.
Is it too much to find the whole deal with Union attempting to be a utopian ST-style deal with the reality of that utopia being fueled by Karrakin labor to be kinda neat?
I mean make no mistake, I despise commies, but the fact that Union's whole deal only "works" because of some actually kinda fucked up stuff helps me deal with that bit, and the fact that they're not the only game in town additionally helps there as well.
Quite frankly I mostly just like the mech designs and think the shit they use are neat as hell and the fact that y'all are freaking the fuck out like this only validates my overall opinion that most of the people here are gluehuffers, leftist commie fags and right wing whackos both.

>>95987870
>You're operating on the same level of partisanbrain as the knuckledraggers who call Jan 6th an organised coup.
Yeah and one led to 3+ years of criminal prosecutions while the other led to aggressive avoidance. Which do you think was which.

>>95988313
>Can you show ANY of that happening?
Are you really trying to gaslight an entire race into believing every single instance of, "hey, I really don't like white guys" in society are lone wolf scenarios? Are you really going to say Gillette's "Boys will be Boys" commercial happened in a vacuum?

>>95988429
>the enemy of your enemy MUST be your friend (please ignore his open hatred of you)
Retard moment

>>95988464
>I mostly just like the mech designs and think the shit they use are neat as hell
So you're a tasteless faggot AND a fence sitter. Why don't you go back to suckling Tim Pool's nuts, sport?

>>95988464
Union is on its 3rd run of trying to manifest utopia because the first two fucked up.

First Com were so god damn proud of their Ideals but abandonedthem the first time they were truly tested. Sec Com thought they could force their vision of utopia on others and were torn to pieces by their own citizens for it.

Now here comes Third Com with a whole host of noble, big ideas and no idea how to implement them practically. The whole of union reads like a critique of the historical and modern problems with the left. From the classic libs to the commies to the modern progressive movements.

This is obviously my schizophrenia playing up of course, no way this was intentional on Miguel's part. Still despite unions faults I can't help but read the settings overall tone as optimistic. Union can't achieve utopia IMO but that doesn't mean its not worth trying.

>>95988520
>no way this was intentional on Miguel's part.
Of course it was, it's mentioned a few times that TriComm is not the end-state of Union.

>>95988122
If you're seriously going to sit there and tell everyone you don't think the game is communist, you're just a fucking retard.
The game needed an expansion pack to add MONEY.

>>95988464
No, see, you're not seeing how Union is a good thing. That's what you don't get. You're not allowed to read the book and form a negative opinion, you need to read it and decide that colonialist violence is a good thing, as long as it's gay.

>>95988534
>It's not real communism
You're just an actual stereotype. Insufferable.

>>95988579
I don't remember Unions third committee kneeling on any necks, in fact I'm certain third committee only exists because Second committee wouldn't stop doing that.

Third committee are so divided by interparty conflict by the time they even start filling out the proper forms to get some neck kneeling done their targets already overdosed on fentanyl.

>>95985180
Seriously, it's just name recognition at this point. Without critical role slop, it'd be further down in the chart. It's just inertia.

People that actually like ttrpgs dont like it as much as other systems. It's almost exclusively 'so quirky' theater man children that stick with it at this point.

>>95985216
You're right, but for some reason I still assume some sort of good will from those people. Maybe an anon on the fence saw it, idk.

>>95988464
Good entertainment, and they managed to run it past the bump limit.
Game's kinda mid but the real poison bullet was the devs endorsing antifa. No shot at any discussion on the subject staying on topic cause the spergs just fall out of the woodwork at the first mention of the title.

>>95984280
Why would I do that when I could instead watch something from Mosfilm? They put out much better films than right-wing slop like Red Dawn or whatever it is you oafs enjoy.

>>95989581
You're gonna need to work on your bait, i give it a 2/10. Stalker was alright if a little arthouse, white tiger is just low effort propaganda

>>95988464
>y'all
You gave the game away, 'moderate'

>>95989781
Is that supposed to be a dig at the south for being more right wing on average or one at leftists for saying yall too much

>>95988603
>I don't remember Unions third committee kneeling on any necks
Well lets see
>"Unite them, by any means necessary"
>they have a special government bureau that jokes about all the warcrimes they commit
>they have another dedication to infiltration and subversion of local cultures until they're primed for assimilation, like Genestealers with more drag queen story hour
Joining the Union is literally non-negotiable, as per their retarded computer god's edict of "Unite them", no natter what kind of friendly face you put on their actions after that, it's still fascist imperialism and jingoistic colonialism

>>95988534
Of course! The TRVE VTOPIA is just a few more trillion dead mudfarmers away!

>>95990171
Can you actually name these organisation faggot? Or are you just going to imply their existence and expect me to perform divination trying to figure out which fictional alphabet agency you mean?

>>95988492
So you're afraid of someone saying "Hey, I don't like white people"? Kinda weird that your best evidence is basically "Dude, trust me"

>>95988596
Truth hurts, bro.

>>95990171
>Can't tell the difference between 1Com, 2Com, and 3Com
It's like the rulebook was written in a foreign language.
>"Unite them"
MONIST-1 gave 2 commands. First, don't try to figure out what MONIST-1 is. Second, don't come back from the dead.

I honestly don't know where this "Unite Them" crap comes from.

>>95991289
And then, for no reason at all, Hitler was voted into power.

>>95991322
And the reason I say that is because you're doing that thing liberals love to do, where you want to drag the argument into some muddy mess of Works Cited and, "that counts / that doesn't count." It's a classic tactic to deny the gut its voice. I've met way too many angry white men to think they're all faking it.

>>95991347
>It's a classic tactic to deny the gut its voice.
>I'm sad that the facts don't care about my feelings
Cope. Your gut is full of shit.

Well gentleretards, this has been a Lancer thread, see you all in the next one

This thread summarized

>>95991950
I must admit, it's hard to understand crazy people.

>>95992173
>more passive-aggressive projection

>>95991950
This is why I'm at the point of just declaring them stupid and unreasonable, and then moving on. Trying to talk to them is like touching a hot stove. I know it's going to burn, and I know I can't affect the stove in any way, so... Why touch it?
It's not even necessary to argue with them either. From a cosmic perspective, it's clear how their own behavior always leads to its own just desert; the worsening and ultimate crumbling of their shitty little communities. Let them go shit up their tranny discord servers. The only reason I talk to them at all anymore is to shoo them the fuck away like I would a rat with a broom. I don't want them to feel too comfortable saying their crazy bullshit without pushback, so I just make it clear that I hate them while also engaging their stupidity as little as I possibly can.
I'd like to have good faith arguments where we all learn and grow, but when the other party's only strategy is pretending to be an obtuse retard so they can ignore me and call me evil, there's a basic breakdown in civility. By trying to push through that behavior with reason, all I'm doing is validating it as a working strategy, so I'm just going to stop.
At this point I just make it clear how I think they're hateful and ignorant, I insult them so they don't assume this place is hospitable to their manipulative, cunty behavior, and then I move on.

>>95988520
>>95988534
Holy shit people with brains. Aight so in regards to the critique angle, something interesting I do find going on there is how the Union core is pretty much a ST-style utopia deal while being effectively held up on Karrakin labor,. Which has been causing all sorts of issues both domestic with the whole "hey so it's kinda fucked up that we tout ourselves as the bastions of morality while being fed by slave labor'" deal going on at home, and the ACTIVE REBELLION going on in the Baronies.
I mean honestly there are at least two layers to the potential critique here.
First one is obvious, which I've already addressed, and the second is like, the Western world touting itself as moral and all that while taking advantage of cheap underpaid overseas labor in horrible conditions to keep it's standard of living up. Interesting stuff to think about.
>>95989440
>Good entertainment, and they managed to run it past the bump limit.
Honestly I've got the feeling OP started this thread for the purposes of baiting people and is currently laughing his ass off.
>>95991317
>I honestly don't know where this "Unite Them" crap comes from.
Well you see anon, it's because he's a aggressive mentally deficient retard that was dropped on the head as a baby that's actively trying to shit up the thread via any means necessary.

>>95992248
Unfortunately it's in our best interest to be civil to them.
Not for any gay reason like them being worthy of it or because the golden rule, ect, but because most normal people don't listen to what's being said, only the tone its said in.

The really fucking sad reality is that the pendulum isn't swinging because they're insane cultists and their ideas are evil, but because they're unlikeable assholes who put people off.
Unless we want people to go back to them we have to be the better alternative and that means tone included.

>>95992445
>n-n-n-n-no, I won! it was ME!
lol

>>95992248
Look, all you have to do is stop lying about shit. Every time you come onto these threads you lie about something, get caught in the lie, and then complain about being caught in the lie. Classic FAFO. Nobody is forcing you to post here, you just want some quick internet wins and are crying because you got called out.
>This is why I'm at the point of just declaring them stupid and unreasonable, and then moving on.
And yet you continue to post on this thread?
>>95992188
Would you rather I call you racists cowardly weirdos that are far too concerned with if a kid has a cunt or a dick and balls to your face?
>>95992669
I suppose we could tally a scorecard but we'd have to include that one anon that had a psychotic break, thought that I had said Neck, and then posted the very text proving himself wrong.

>>95992969
It's amazing how the only people your gaslighting ever fools is yourselves

>>95992969
>randomly brings up children's genitals
Bit of a self-report, innit?

>>95992969
You're just actually having a schizophrenic meltdown. You can't even fully understand what you're talking about. It's sad.

>>95992988
>>95993040
Really? How so?

>>95993444
There's multiple people in this thread, and you are unable to keep that fact straight. You don't realize who the fuck you're even talking to, you're getting us all mixed up.
That's why you think people are 'lying'; you can't understand that there are multiple people in this thread.
In addition to that, you're not only mixing the people who are actually in this thread up with each other, you're also mixing us up with hypothetical strawman that exist entirely in your own fucking mind. That's why you're getting mad about kid genitals despite that being completely out of left field and not having anything to do with what anyone has said.
So... What is there to say about you? You're an internet rage addict, you can't keep reality straight, and you're having an angry meltdown over it.
Calling you a schizophrenic is pretty accurate. It's how you're acting. You are having an obvious freakout.

>>95993444
>>95991950

>>95993475
>Multiple people
Isn't that your fault for not using tripcodes?

>>95993573
>Trust me bro

>>95993614
Are you actually new? This is the second time you've mentioned tripcodes as if that's something you actually expect people to use.
Assuming you are new: It's a major faux pas to use a tripcode, because it makes you look like a narcissist asshole. There are only two acceptable use cases: #1, you are on /qst/ and you need to make yourself known as the author. #2, you are an author/creator in a different case, and you need to make yourself known for an AMA or some shit.
There is no other use case where it's acceptable without people being angry and contemptuous, and with extremely good reason. It violates the fundamental ethos of using this website at all.
... This is like, basic shit. You genuinely don't seem to be able to even vaguely navigate this space. You're all confused, and fucked up. I'll tell you what people have always told people like you when they're new: Lurk moar.
Lurk more.
Lurk more.
Okay? You obviously don't know how to navigate this place, at all. What you're supposed to do is shut the fuck up and read without saying anything until you grasp the unwritten rules. You're completely backwards and fucked up because you haven't done that.
It's unbelievable that you keep telling people to use tripcodes. It's like screaming out-loud that you don't belong here and you don't get this website.

>>95993614
>>95991950

>>95993658
It's a major Faux Pas because you're a COWARD. Because you don't want to be responsible for your posts and don't want wearing a name to be normal. So you harass anybody with a tripcode because the idea of being tracked TERRIFIES you.

Coward.

Anyhow, I'm gonna take screenshots of all the posts you fucked up on so I can post them on the next Lancer thread you try to troll.

>>95995431
You tried. Be less obvious next time. Reddit spacing is just a little too much.

>>95995431
Alright. Based.
You do that.