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Thread Questions:
What board games have you bought even though other members of your group own a copy?

>>95969350 (OP)
>TQ
Legendary Encounters Alien. Mainly because it plays good solo. It is part of my collection of bizarrely expensive board games that I got on sale when they first came out but are worth a frankly stupid price now.

>>95969350 (OP)
>TQ
Here it goes:
>Agricola
>Le Havre
>Teotihuacan
>Fertility
>Ticket to Ride
>A Feast for Odin
>Carpe Diem
>Earth
>Valley of the Kings
Will buy eventually
>Terraforming Mars
>Terra Mystica
>Bonfire
>Boonlake
>Die Macher
>Turing Machine

First for anon's collection last thread was ass.

>>95967533
E&T, historically as cheap and easy to get a hold of as Wingspan.

>>95969350 (OP)
>What board games have you bought even though other members of your group own a copy?
Fantasy Realms, Metropolys, and Ginkgopolis.

>>95969606
also I'm retarded I meant T&E, we order it the other way around where I live.

>>95969345
>Tabletop nerds like dragons, go figure
I don't think there's a big overlap between tabletop nerds and Xspan enjoyers. But it's quite possible I vastly understimate the amount of people in the "faggot" zone between family gamers and bg enthusiasts

>>95969350 (OP)
>What board games have you bought even though other members of your group own a copy?
Camel Up
Galaxy Trucker
Pandemic
(all only because that part of my group used to live an hour and a half away)
Codenames (Duet & Pictures)
Ticket to Ride (Europe)
Wyrmspan (Wingspan) (wife bought)

Games others in my group bought even though I own a copy:
Betrayal at House on the Hill x2
Clank In Space (Legacy 1 & 2)
Detective
Everdell (Farshore)
Magic Maze

>>95969350 (OP)
>Thread Questions:
>What board games have you bought even though other members of your group own a copy?
Pax Pamir 2nd edition
Arcs
Sidereal Confluence
If ever we move Im gonna need to buy splotters myself. I pray that day never comes.

>What board games have you bought even though other members of your group own a copy?

Only Ra and Skull. We don't have much overlap and my collection felt complete before I met them.

games I'd like to hear some discussion on:
Vantage
Endeavor: Deep Sea
Bomb Busters
Lord of the Rings: The Confrontation
there was a game maybe 3 threads ago that a few people talked about, initials were CC (not Castle Combo - can't remember what it was though)
Iwari
Condottiere
Cascadero
The Estates
Mille Fiori
Lands of Galzyr
Abomination: Heir of Frankenstein
Pan Am
Cryptic Explorers
Living Forest
Mystic Vale
Space Station Phoenix
any story heavy game
any dexterity game

>>95971224
>Iwari
I have not played Iwari and I do not plan to buy it because I already own Web of Power, but I imagine Iwari is the better game. The Feats meeples seem like a positive change.
That could be wishful thinking on my part.
>Abomination: Heir of Frankenstein
I do not plan to buy Abomination and I have played it before. I would be willing to play it again if offered but I doubt I will ever request to play it. It is squarely an 'ehh' game.
Theme aside it's just an efficiency puzzle cube pusher. I would hesitate to even pitch it as a worker placement game because the action blocking never matters. Each individual action congests easily but most of the actions are redundant.
I did not care for the asymmetry or for the encounter cards where you have to make a blind choice based on the vibes you get from a paragraph of story narration.
>any dexterity game
TInderblox is an OK dexterity filler.

>>95971348
there's a variation that makes Abomination much quicker. if/when i play again, i'm playing that way

>scout and show
>to pick up the single card in the show, and yourself play a single card
Name a worse feeling

>>95971224
>Mystic Vale
Deckbuilding classic, but my god do I suck at it. Has an app with pretty good bots, so check that out if you want to.
>Pan Am
It's like Bus' twice removed deranged cousin, which actually makes it incomparable to Bus but to an untrained eye they might seem the same. The balance between hoarding destination cards and making passive profit with a cluster of routes vs burning cards and focusing on selling to Pan Am for a quick cash injection makes for a pretty interesting dynamic push and pull. But I've only played with 2 players, maybe with more you won't have as much leeway to burn destination cards with no long term planning. Wanna play more of it, for sure.
>any dexterity game
This is more /awg/ than /bgg/ but i saw a kickstarter for a game about being a drunk space ork, and to move your dude you throw a handfull of d4's on the table and then move the model towards the dice where they land, distance in inches equal to the rolled number. That makes for very zig-zaggy pathing and all in all a cool simulation of drunk people walking, and makes me wonder if there's any other games with a similar mechanic.

>>95971647
so a lot of those games i was asking about because i haven't played them, but Mystic Vale is one that i have
i love the card building gimmick. but the deckbuilding feels a little flat to me? seems like there's not a lot of game there. but it seems well regarded, and i feel like i'm in the minority here. wondering if i'm wrong about it.

Pan Am is another one i've played. i actually love that one and think it's underrated. love Bus as well, and i do compare the two.

and i'm pretty sure you're talking about Space Gits? a Mike Hutchinson game, the same guy who did Gaslands and A Billion Suns. i'm interested in this one for sure.

>>95971224
>Condottiere
if you play it with the rules that allow retaking territories that were already won by somebody, it will drag the game on for ages, and it's already a game that overstays its welcome to begin with. I sold my copy.
>Cascadero
Tried it 2 years ago or so, it was alright, but forgettable. Don't get it, I'm sure there are better Knizia games you could choose from
>Mille Fiori
I was looking into it earlier today thinking about what to get, but I'm a bit uncertain, I already have Azul which seems to have a similar feel
>Pan Am
Don't have it but I've read the rules last week for new games to get second hand (it goes for very cheap on secondhand markets), I don't get why the other anon compares it to Bus; Ticket to Ride is a way closer comparison, it's basically TtR but with a shareholding mechanic. Bus is a cutthroat pick up and delivery game

After ten years of owning The Grizzled, I only today noticed this little homage to the artist. Had not realised the game came out the same year after the Charlie Hebdo terror attacks. What a bummer for your game to be published while actively reminding you of a lost friend.

>>95971748
Cascadero a lot of the draw is the art (and that it's Knizia). i think i heard it's like a Knizia take on a modern euro?

or is Mille Fiori the Knizia take on a modern euro? it's the Knizia take on a point salad game at least. i don't think it has any connection to Azul other than the components. and it's closer to Sagrada in that regard.

Pan Am feels like Bus in its worker placement/action selection. it also feels a little like Ticket to Ride and Pandemic to me. it also goes very, very cheap firsthand (in the US at least). regularly goes for $10-20 on Amazon or Target.

>>95971684
>seems like there's not a lot of game there.
It might seem so, but adding push your luck to deckbuilding does add enough to chew on, in my opinion at least. I mean, hell, if people get hyped for Party House in UFO50 then they'll get hyped for Mystic Vale as it's essentially the same game but more, way more, and also the win condition is a bit different.

>>95971748
>I don't get why the other anon compares it to Bus
Other anon here, it's because i took a look at it, saw Worker Placement + competing to be the first to take good routes + the map looks like a goddamn spiderweb, and thought that was enough to draw conclusions. After playing it though I now know it's different enough to be it's own thing, but still think it's funny to compare them.

Do not play the old version of the rules for Condottiere like >>95971748. It's a fantastic game with a simple area control fight determined by an auction determined by fantastic hand management.

>>95971874
Yeah Cascadero is Knizia's take on a modern combo/track-filled euro and ends up being something like a cube rails game. It's thematically incoherent and those bright colors are gross, but I blame the publisher for that. It's okay mechanically but among Knizia tile laying games that's damning.

Mille Fiori is arguably also his take on modern euros, but more like a Feld game and actually good. Very much point salad and combo based, with decent interaction through the drafting. Nothing like Azul other than glass theme.

>>95972087
they get hyped for what in what?
maybe i've played a lot of push your luck deckbuilders now that i think about it - might be old hat to me. Legendary Encounters Alien, Living Forest, Clank (3 versions), and Mystic Vale

Speaking of games that go for cheap secondhand, anyone played or know about Snowdonia or its newer version, Alubari? saw a copy of the latter, for 10 bucks; Is it slop or not?
The dude selling it is also selling Bohannza so I could get both for a little more discount
Also still on the fence about Brian Boru, I've watched a tutorial and it seems fun but I'm having doubts about how much replayability it has, any opinions on this too?

>>95972227
>Snowdonia
I didn't like it but I know people who do.

maybe i have a bias for track climbing; i quite like cascadero

>>95972227
Brian Boru is a pretty good game - pretty fast at 5 and completely different at 3. I think I like it more at 3 because you get quite a few more actions.

New box just dropped.

>>95972538
Through the Desert or Zoo Vadis

I can't read any of this.

There is an English rulebook but the scoring table is only on the player aids and the player aids are only in Japanese.

I am unable to play this game.

>>95971628
Spending 10 hours on a game of TI4 and the winner gets the win because of a lucky action card topdeck.

>>95972612
How is that size compared to Yugioh cards? Don't they use a weird "Japanese" size? I see sleeves for YGO cards at game shops all the time.

>>95972538
Tragedy Looper expansion?

>>95972612
>mushroom-themed game has odd-sized cards you can't find sleeves to fit
I know how you feel man.

>>95972538
>>95972553
>>95972598
>>95972612
You're too swarthy to be here.

What a glorious mess of a game, this Vast: the Mysterious Mansion

I'm committing myself to this 4x4 Kallax. My collection cannot exceed it. Things are roughly grouped by category. Ideally I'd like only truly great games, but there are a few free copies from giveaways/prizes and there's still some room for more games on some shelves.

>what would you add?
>what would you remove?

>>95972930
>what would you add?
Eclipse
>what would you remove?
T&E (sell to me), Age of Innovation (replace with Terra Nova), Cosmic Frog

>>95972949
Eclipse is a 9/10, I've been looking for a used copy of 2nd edition for awhile now.

Never played Terra Nova. I'll have to give it a shot.

/bgg/ meme'd me into getting Cosmic Frog, but the art is truly great and I've recently discovered it's actually pretty great played as a 3v3 team game for that rare 6 player count. It's my favorite Ameritrash game now so it'll be staying.

>>95972879
Better/worse than Crystal Caverns? Still haven't opened it, Crystal Caverns was meh.

>>95971748
>if you play it with the rules that allow retaking territories that were already won by somebody, it will drag the game on for ages
>>95972095
>Do not play the old version of the rules for Condottiere

What are you anons talking about? The new rules and cards for Condottiere basically ruin the entire game, it's incredible just how awful the new bishop and the spies are. The game is no longer than 40 minutes even with the variant that allows you to attack taken territories. I guess it could go longer if you go nuts playing your entire hand while other players have cards still, but that's not a problem with the game but the player's skill.

>>95972930
>steal
The Estates and GoA
>keep
Caesar, Underwater Cities, Pax Ren, Brew, Dune, Cosmic Frog, Innovation, Battle Line, Watergate, War Chest, Hansa, T&E, Concordia, High Society, The Estates, Modern Art, Coup, Decrypto, Spots, Sonar, Troyes, Scout, Arboretum, Bohnanza and GoA.
>burn
The rest
>add
Brass L, Sidereal Confluence, Santiago, Evolution Climate, Argent, Twilight Struggle, Inis, Imperial 2030, Tash-kalar, New York Zoo, Panda Spin, Ra, FCM, TGZ, Indonesia, Bus, Glory to Rome, Barrage
Also can't tell what's in the bottom right corner and what's in the wooden box in the bottom left corner.

>>95972930
Did you like stroganov? I played it once and mentally checked out halfway through, I couldn't stand the 5 different ways of scoring your euro game

>>95972930
good looking collection. that cube with t&e and hansa teutonica is goated. i'd remove the entire second column and the stuff on top of the shelf, but that's because I'm OG-pilled. no need to add anything imo.

>I start teaching a game
>Someone takes out their phone tp take notes
>They absolutely refuse to use any prepackaged player guides
>They're on the phone taking notes of what other people do during their turn and get angry if someone takes their turn too fast

>>95973087
Never played crystal caverns.
Hadnt played V:tmm in years, and had three new players, so the learning curve was steep and the downtime between turns at 5P was quite rough. But people had fun and we're arranging to get a second session sometime in July.

>>95973159
Can't bring myself to burn Grand Austria Hotel.
Interested in trying Ra and some of the Splotter games, haven't played those yet.

Wooden Box is Rising Sun - Daimyo Edition(a gift)
Bottom right is Black Angel and StellCon: Infinity, both copies I won at a con and have not played. They're probably trade fodder at my next con.

>>95973194
Stroganov is decent. It has some interesting Parks style movement, but it's very point salad and lacks soul. Everything in that cube is on the chopping block right now, looking for a few more plays to make up my mind.

>>95973286
First three cubes in that column are my all time classics. I won't sell any of them.

>>95973376

Based natural Atreides player.

>>95973376
>stop acting like an asspie or your ass is out
All it takes.

>>95972930
>Kallax
It's one of those things that's let's me know someone is normie without them saying a word.

>>95972087
Pp>>95972227
I've played brian boru on tts and while I can appreciate the design behind it and think it's a good game, it never really felt like it was, for lack of a better word, enough. I liked it, but it wasn't clever, statisfying or fun enough to rise above the tide of boardgame releases. Bzt, to be fair, I always feel like that with peer sylvester releases. Always just a bit too dry, a bit to unexciting, a bit too uninnovative to really crack the big leagues. I know this sounds very negative, so let me reiterate that it's still a very good game.

>>95972930
Pretty good collection, even though I really dislike a few games. It's all over the place in a good way

>>95972930
>no paleo
Trash

>>95973127
I have no idea what you see in the old bishop that wasn't already mostly represented in the turncoat. The new one makes the card play better as you aren't utterly boned/forced to wait for a moment that may never come by weak hands anymore. The spies, however, are not just good, they're fantastic. They widen the strategy of the area control board and as a result the entire game by quite a bit.

Are there any board game adaptations of video games that are actually good?

>>95974972
Super Motherload

>>95974977
I like Darkest Dungeon, Dead Cells, Deeprock Galactic, Slay the Spire, and Stardew Valley video games but I have I no idea if the board games are any good

>>95974353
I get what you mean, I had The King is Dead from the same guy, and despite enjoying it I still sold it for roughly the same reasons. I guess I'll just try BB on tts for a couple plays

>>95974972
Stalker just came out. Best game crowdfund I’ve ever played

>>95974910
>I have no idea what you see in the old bishop that wasn't already mostly represented in the turncoat
They are completely different cards that work together in giving the game meaningful threats and decisions. Bishop ends the battle with no winner, turncoat ends the battle with a winner. Both cards affect the board in wildly different ways and players must be aware of them, the threat of turncoat giving players a reason to keep up with a high card playing opponent that's trying to minimize their card use and the threat of the bishop to have you lose such cards for nothing.
The new cards and effects completely remove this internal struggle, which is what the entire game is about.

>They widen the strategy of the area control board
The area control aspect is actually very hurt by the new rules as you can't actually take the areas from other players, what control is there to maintain if you don't have to care once you get it? Courtesan cards are also terrible for it because it's not longer who wins the battle who gets to decide, which is a big incentive to win, and all these bad cards dilute the deck so much with weak cards that you get screwed with bad hands more often than in the original game.

>>95974972
Slay the Spire
Elder Scrolls

>>95972930
How's Paladins? I got it as a gift and still haven't played it.

>>95975079
Lady and I have plans to play Slay the Spire with a friend in a few weeks. She despises video games, while friend and I adore the vg version of StS. But she loved Hogwarts Battle, which I assume is pretty similar? I’ve never played /tg/ version of StS. What are we in for? Is she gonna hate it?

>>95975403
someone will get smacked with doing alot of adminwork, either you or the friend

personally i felt it was overhyped. it does a good job of replicating the videogame but alot of the design decisions in the vg are BECAUSE its a vg, backporting them all to a tabletop setting was just silly imo and reviewers giving them a pass on the huge amount of admin someone gets shackled with is bad

What board game do you own that has a "deluxe" option for components that you feel are necessary?

For example, someone said the deluxe bullet tokens in Bullet are necessary given the rougher handling of those tokens that take place in the game. Cardboard tokens work but will get damage and wear down pretty fast.

>>95975711
You can deluxify your cardboard bullets with coin capsules for a fraction of the price.

>>95975719
Sure, point is the standard components as is are a notable point of failure for the product.

>>95975070
Most of this is just you restating the rules.
>threat of the bishop to have you lose such cards
This is still part of the bishop. It's just less swingy. And it didn't need to be, because you already had the turncoat for those hard swings. It also puts the dove out, which is more map play.
>it's not longer who wins the battle who gets to decide, which is a big incentive to win,
Winning the game (and bonus cards in the next draw) was already a big incentive to win battles. The spies make it so people actually pay attention to the map. It's by no means a heavy game and plays 6, I often have new players and they reliably underestimate the map more with old rules.

>>95975826
>It's just less swingy
Basically useless since it'll just discard 1 or 2 of the highest card in play, and the dove is also super irrelevant in the new rules because you can also win by just controlling X amount of non-adjacent territories, and for the fact that there are a ridiculous amount of extra bishops when using the new cards.
>And it didn't need to be, because you already had the turncoat for those hard swings
It's not a checklist that "has to have 1 hard swing". They serve completely different purposes, and it they do need to be to keep the tension up and the though choices available.

The old rules also help people understand that they don't have to just shit out their entire hand as you often will do in the new rules, making it a more cutthroat game that newbies will understand easier than this bland terrible version that was deformed by incompetent editors. It's clear this game isn't for you or your group so it's good that you sold it, new rules or not. If you are looking for a game for that amount of people that is less mean/brainy but interactive I suggest 6 nimmt or Ra.

>>95971787
A classy memorial for a lost comrade, nice.
How do you like that game? It's been on my radar for a while but I've never tried it.

>>95975711
I need those tile stands, scorepad and pencil for Qwirkle. I am sure this will elevate my experience.

>>95975533
if everyone shares in the admin I don't think it's egregious. shuffling can get tiring if you have a lot of card draw. especially so since the art sleeves suck ass. that's my biggest complaint about the tabletop version. that and my friends having to wait on me to draw my entire deck into my hand and then bullet time
>>95975711
Quacks needs a similar token solution. I can’t imagine playing any bag pulling games with just cardboard

>>95976082
>I can’t imagine playing any bag pulling games with just cardboard
Just use round-bottom bags and make sure everyone washes their hands and you can get at least a couple dozen plays out of it before the starter chips start to wear too much.

Would you play boardgames with videogame legend Warren Spector?

>>95975711
I can't imagine playing Ra with anything less than either the wooden edition, or the acrylic tiles geekup set.
Summoner wars really benefits nicely from the plastic token upgrade.
Ticket to ride NEEDS the 1910 larger format cards, the tiny cards suck ass to handle.
Pax Pamir's metal coins feel pretty essential.
So do the acrylic pieces for the Castles of burgundy special edition.
It's not essential, and may even be inferior in some ways, but I only ever want to play Dune Imperium with the miniatures upgrade kit. They just have such good table presence.

>>95976022
Not that anon, but it's... Fine? Not much to the game except not being a retard and putting down a hazard when it's already at maximum. Whenever we won it felt more like it's down to the cards being distributed well more than skill or cooperation.

>>95976082
i just hate searching for the stupid minion cards specifically, the fights are too short to spend my life searching for louse A and gremlin C

>>95976247
infact i think the specific reason i got rid of the game was because the admin and decisions between fights took longer than the actual fights most of the time

Any one ever tried out any of the mindbug stuff? Seems fun but expensive and somewhat goofy, but I'm thinking it will fill that craving of playing magic or another ccg that I spend too much on

>>95976164
>backed the Pharaeoh Edition reprint in Sept.
>it MIGHT arrive in July but more likely August

>>95978503
>Pharaeoh
I don't know how the fuck an 'e' snuck in there lol.

I've been looking into older or lesser known games and I was wondering if they still hold up, seeing as they go for very cheap, I've read a couple reviews here and there but they're all from years back, would like some input if they're worth getting now, in 2025:
Löwenherz / Domaine
Yspahan
Kiesling's Cuzco / Java (not exactly lesser known but still)
Thurn & Taxis
Some Knizias: (I have Babylonia, Taj Mahal and T&E if it matters)
Stephenson's Rocket
Amun-Re
Winner's Circle

>>95978943
old games don't get worse just because newer games come out.

i found Stephenson's rocket to be just ok, and winners circle to be quite fun

>>95972692
Mushroom Sort uses a smaller height and width, but it is close. Thank you for the suggestion.

>>95972692
Mushroom Sort uses a smaller height and width, but it is close. Thank you for the suggestion.

I sleeved up all the cards. The margins are wider than I would like but I can tolerate it. The game is playable.
Interestingly, the Start Player card is only in English even though the rest of the cards are only in Japanese.

>>95979562
Why are you wearing gloves?

>>95979651
I put gloves on to sleeve my cards. I intended to sleeves the cards when I opened the box yesterday but none of the four sleeve sizes I had kicking around were a match.

>>95979677
Gloves to sleeve your cards...? I thought it was just to avoid showing us your skin tone

>>95979745
it's probably a holdover from baseball/tcg cards collecting, as any king of finger grease on the card lowers the quality and if you're into collecting you care about the tiny details way too much

>>95971224
>Games I'd like to hear some discussion on: Endeavor Deep Sea
Played this at Dice Tower West in the hot games room. Had nobody to teach it so I sat down with the rulebook and learned it in about 30 minutes. Game revolves around an action point system, and simple worker placement on biome cards that get placed on the field. You have a player board that you can upgrade crew, movement, or refresh of action points.

I really enjoyed the positive interactions in competitive multiplayer. You can work on a research project and depending on what you contribute you gain a reward. If you do the research alone you get all the rewards so there is incentive to rush out to all the juicy spots and reap the benefits of doing minimal easy tasks on a project and letting others complete it to still gain decent rewards. Very little take that so most of the interaction is mutually beneficial. A rarity these days and my wife prefers nicer games.

>One of my friends is starting to get pissy when he starts winning and complaining that he's going to lose the game because of bullshit end-of-game scoring
I mean it is funny for people to snatch victory away from him at the end, his reactions are entertaining

Do you guys buy at your flgs or do you do your shopping online? The stores near me in leafland sell mostly sloppa, but online orders usually ask such a premium price

>>95975711
Unironically the original art Deluxe Love Letter
The cards are fucking massive THICK cardstock

>>95981560
My local place is primarily a card shop with a side of retro videogames/comics/collectibles. They used to have a decent board game selection but they did a big liquidation (which I missed out on) and I've only bought like two things from there in the past three years cause they just don't have anything and never get new stuff in.

>>95981560
Race for the Galaxy is $30. No excuses

>>95981653
i feel for the filles du roi that pay 70+ loonies for a half empty box and a handful of translated cards + rulebook

>>95981665
The only feeling I have for leafs is profound hate. Day of the rake soon.

>>95981560
I try to do most of my shopping at my flgs. The main 4 I visit all vary in selection and atmosphere. If I can't find what I'm looking for then I will go online. I prefer the one furthest from me, because they have a huge selection crowded into a small area that makes me feel like I'm in a library of games. Employees at the closer 2 always give me a judgmental, "You're not buying anything?" vibe that I don't appreciate. The other is a comic shop and they have a small selection with a rare find occasionally showing up on their shelves.

Mushroom Sort was a hit. We played several games of it tonight. Cheers to whoever recommended it.
One guy at the table got repeatedly screwed by the turn order tie-breaker. That was funny.

>>95982199
glad you enjoyed anon. i got a little nervous considering you paid $50 for it

>>95981560
My FLGS has 40-60% off sales on EVERYTHING every 6 months for an event, so I typically just wait for those and buy there because whoever runs it is super based and keeps up with modern releases/kickstarter slop.

Some of the deals I got from those sales are down right criminal.

>>95982337
The game itself was only $20 but I had to spend another $30 on overseas proxy couriering. Every vendor I found for Mushroom Sort would only ship domestically within Japan.

>>95982470
huh I was able to order from Ninja Star's website for less than that. I think I got a discounted price for preordering/ordering close to release though. $28 with $6 shipping

>>95979547
Okay, what do you think about watermelon?

>>95982575
Not a fan of fruits in general. Leafy vegetables are pretty good though.

>>95981560
I used to buy from a store from next town over because they had 30% off deals every other week and the two managers organized game nights, then they closed up shop to change jobs so now I just buy used on second hand markets, I'm mostly looking for old games anyway

>>95982372
The only FLGS in my area died a few years back because the guy running it was retarded.
Everything was MSRP, no exceptions, no mark downs ever.
I distinctly remember going into his shop and seeing Crisis Protocol for it's MSRP $100. I told the guy, "If you drop it $90, I will buy it from you right now." I didn't tell him the set was routinely online for $80.
He said (I shit you not) "That's a 10% loss on value. If I lost 10% on everything I sold, I would be out of business in a month. No. Go somewhere else if you think you can do better."

Fucking Boomers, man. Ironically his inability to come down off MSRP no matter caused his place to shutter in less than a year anyway. The only other FLGS are usually just a space dedicated to MtG second hand sales and the store gets overrun with cards nobody wants.

>>95983179
I've said this before, but I think the future of boardgame lgs (if there is indeed one) is to be a reseller of games or place to get recs second and primarily some form of bar you can play said games at.

>>95984049
Yeah agreed, cause if your only source of income is selling games, you will inevitably go bankrupt, it's just a matter of time

>>95984065
I don't know about that man. It depends on the amount of competition and other factors. The game stores in my country never discount anything except trash games nobody buys and they want to get rid of, or stuff that has a damaged box or some shit. Been shopping at the same one for 10 years now and it's only been expanding.

Just heard about the new Diplomacy variant coming out soon. What does /bgg/ think?

>>95984879
I'm not sure what another version of diplomacy is supposed to archieve? It's the same game as before, right? Just asia this time instead of perpetually incorrect europe

>>95984879
I don't see Siap Faji on the map.

>>95984879
Diplomacy is barely even a game. Tried it once, it was a fun experiment, but I'd rather eat my shie than play it again.

Do you think eurogames differ from distinct style from country to country?

>>95977551
My gf (no previous exp in tcg) loves it to the point of annoying me but I do enjoy it occasionally.
Base rules is just random a random hand and deck of 5 cards each and games can be very short but also drag on for a bit depending on what was pulled.
Control is king but you can mill, aggro and combo to some degree based on your baiting skills. It feels random and bullshit at first but is surprisingly well balanced.
I guess you can homebrew a drafting system but I haven't tried it yet.

>>95977551
I have First Contact and I never table it. I enjoyed it but no one in my group did. If a player does not want to blindly pull levers the game demands they play enough times to learn the cardpool. That is a bigger ask than most people are on board for if the learner is getting beaten down by someone experienced.

DC Forever anon please share your thoughts

>>95982587
Okay, you get a pass for now but I'm watching you.

>>95986416

>>95985085
Barely a game is an overstatement. Diplomacy is not a game. It has no mechanics and no gameplay aside from "bunch of people decide who wins based on their subjective feelings"

>>95978503
Same, but just for the traders expansion. It's painful how long board game crowdfunding takes. I'm still waiting for my Kemet rise of the gods pledge.

>>95986855
Nah, I'll stick with "barely". The time we played, me and two other guys ended up teaming up and had a coalition forming against us by the other 4. We had the advantage in terms of troops, but the other guys were much better at predicting our movements and managed to score a bunch of victories before the game dragged on too long and we called it quits. So it has a bit of a bluffing/tactical element. Is it worth sitting through a whole evening? Nope. A whole day, in order to properly finish a match? You'd have to be mental.

does Pueblo have enough meat on the bones?

>>95987526
>we formed a coalition (not a game mechanic, just us being bros;^) )
>the "game" eventually broke down and we couldnt finish
Thanks for proving my point. Not a gaem.

>This board game has the shittiest artwork ever
>Yet it always hits the table each and every single gamenight
Which one is it for you?

>>95988974
cockroach poker

>>95988974
Agricola and Terraforming Mars

>>95989035
Cockroach poker doesn't have shitty artwork though?

>>95988974
I do not have board games with "shit artwork", but some would call Hansa Teutonica ugly
>>95989380
>shittiest artwork ever
>Agricola
You have such bad taste

>>95988974
Dominion

>>95990247
>but some would call Hansa Teutonica ugly
The game is like 10% player boards and 90% map, and it's really hard to make an ugly map unless you're Splotter Spellen.

>>95990258
Dominion artwork is pretty bad.
Early edition artwork for Ascension was notoriously bad.

>>95986855
I'd say it's a game that is almost entirely negotiation. It's not that different to zoo vadis, santiago or (allegedly) new angeles in that regard

Not that I like it, mind. I enjoy some negotiation but games that almost entirely consist of negotiation always exhaust me

>>95988974
>>95990258
Dominion has some good artwork but the real problem is how it combines art from very different artists. Having realistic and comic styles next to each other looks a bit unprofessional. Just like the public domain """art""" of terraforming mars

Also I usually find Clemens franz art weirdly charming, but GAH is just ugly as sin, not just the faces but the whole ui design as well

>>95990345
Any game that has a large amount of unique cards has to deal with the problem of how in the hell do you make enough art assets for all of them. Even if you can afford a good artist a single person can only crank out so much art so fast. I'd still prefer a bunch of different artists with noncohesive styles than "fuck it let's just license some stock photos."

>>95990431
Yeah, agreed. Although I weirdly prefert TfM wildly varying quality and style artwork to eg. Ark Nova which is just servicable without any edges or even a hint of something interesting. I couldn't even tell you if it's licenced photos, edited photos or if someone went to the trouble and painted the pictures. Never looked at a single one and went uh let's have a closer look at this, looks interesting

It's that time again lads!
Hint: it's the more cinematic kind of dragon dildo

>>95990916
Well its not a coffin box.
But cinematic tells me its either Jaws, Top Gun, or a Dune/Lotr titles (god there are too many now)

>>95990916
Star Trek captain's chair

>>95990916
A wyvern dildo?

>>95991114
Speaking of, is it better than Imperiun?
Also Osprey is having a pretty great sale right now. Brian Boru at 24$ is something I'd pick up if a friend didnt already own it.

>>95990924
>>95991114
>>95991134
All good guesses. Clue was a bit farfetched, but "spooky" would've been to obvious

>>95991333
Hotdiggity.
Report back how your group likes it.
Soon as I learn Compile is actually happening I can expect it to arrive with Spooktacular preorder.

>>95991406
Oh we did like it quite a bit when we played it via tts a while back. Really a perfect fit for the sub 1h filler plus slot. The real question is, does it have staying power despite being relatively light? My inclination is yes, there is enough agency to be fun, quick but still competitive in nature. but we'll see.

>>95991333
That box art is both pretty good but also so very awful. Like, I've seen that cover a lot and until now I didn't even realize it's supposed to be a cinema

>>95991333
oh, my brother got this last week
it's... ok. kinda simple. good theming. not enough happening to keep our group engaged

>>95991333
>no shipping notification yet
life is unfair
have fun anon

>>95991134
How do you tell if the dildo's hypothetical body has wings? Or legs for that matter?

>>95985231
Germans used to make the classic "simple but elegant" Eurogames (most games by Knizia, Kramer, and Schacht, plus Carcassonne, Settlers of Catan, to some extent Hansa Teutonica, etc.), though this changed somewhat with the rise of Feld and Rosenberg's defection to the side of baroque (charitable view) or overcomplicated (uncharitable view) games. Frenchmen emphasize cool and/or cute themes (Abyss, Takenoko, to some extent Small World, etc), in stark contrast to the typically dull aesthetics of the genre. Italians are concentrated in the baroque/overcomplicated realm (Tzolk'in, Barrage, and many more). I feel the other European peoples don't have enough prominent designers for me to categorize their contributions. And of course there are all mere tendencies, not universals.

>>95993243
>baroque (charitable view) or overcomplicated (uncharitable view)
I don't care about the number of frills I care about the play time and teach time. A game can be heavy but it had better not take 4 hours.

>>95975282
Solid worker placement game and probably the best of that series of games, but the player interaction is a bit lackluster. It's basically just racing for the public worker spots, snagging market cards before other players, and triggering inquisitions that can stack negative VP. Worth playing for sure, but I feel like you'll mostly see everything in a dozen or so plays.

Tomorrow me and my gf will host a dinner with another couple plus a friend. The couple are very light boardgamers and the friend has a group but they mostly play coop and he has all the 7 wonders expansions (his favourite game). Should I make them play fcm pitching it as a fun economic game about becoming your favourite fast food chain?

>>95994047
>Should I make them play fcm pitching it as a fun economic game about becoming your favourite fast food chain?
We all know the answer to this fictitious scenario.

>>95994047
No and you're an autist for asking.

>>95994047
Do it. Ignore the faggots.

>>95992604
I assume you are a burger? You usually get everything else first, this is just a small exception because it fell right into the big tariff window. On a sidenote, I massively respect brad for seeing the tariffs that'd essentially kill the company and just give it a shrug instead of massively overreacting.

>>95994047
Why would you think that is a good idea, anon? Is this about you wanting to play fcm and having no group for it?

>>95994118
The devil walks among us.

>>95994121
Because last time I was polite and open (with another group) about brass being a slightly heavier game than the average I ended up playing azul and splendor the entire evening. Now the world must burn

>>95994227
Anon I'm a hobbyist and I would sooner play Azul and Splendor all evening than play Ass. The gameplay is fine but it's twice as long as it needs to be, just for no reason. Fuck off with that shit.

play sagrada
play shards of infinity
play SS&P

>>95994260
That's, like, your opinion

The hard part of getting people into heavier games isn't that there's more rules complexity, it's that the games are so much longer. They'd rather play two 1hr games than one 2hr game.

>>95994348
It's also that you can get fucked much harder by better players so you end up being a punching ball for 2 hours. In lighter games at least you're doing something for most of the game even though you'll lose anyways

>>95994227
Anon if you just WANT to play the game at any pice, force it upon the unsuspecting faggots. I just think it's reasoma ly likely you'll have a shit time and never touch the game agan

>>95994289
Man, shards of Infinity is actually so fucking fun. I keep talking people into playing it

Forest shuffle is actually fairly fun once you get combos.synergies going
I nearly got to 400 points

>>95994047
I taught one of my friend's normie girlfriend TGZ and FCM and she liked it a lot. before I played FCM though I showed her Century Spice, Scout, 3 Ring Circus, Chinatown and So Clover.
I wouldn't suggest playing FCM 5p with first timers though, it's gonna drag a lot even if you force them to pick $100 reserve cards and you rush with garden/luxury manager early from abusing their lack of knowledge.

Any Feast For Odin enjoyers?

>>95994653
I'm sure they exist but hopefully I've never met them.

>>95994653
Yes

>>95994705
*thankfully

>>95994717
it's beautiful...

>>95994770
I can't know for sure. Do you screen your acquaintances?

>>95994433
Going to buy my copy soon at my LGS sale coming up

Is Cosmic Frog designed by a woman or a tranny

>>95994894
Thats a man, baby!

>>95994653
AFFO is SLOP. This is the game Uwe made to secretly make fun of his fans. It combines all his previous designs into one big bowl of SLOPPA. Its Marvel Avengers of eurogames. Slopjob. Play Caverna and Le Havre.

>>95994227
Your fault for liking garbage like Brass.

>>95995002
Brass isn't like, coffee or anchovies or something, he didn't make a conscious choice to like it. Liking Brass is something that happened to him.

Plz help, bgg. What would be a game you'd use to ease someone who is really into catan to a more refined taste without scaring them off back to catan

>>95995490
how many players?

>>95995497
3-4 players

>>95995490
Catan isn't particularly like anything else. If this is a normal person, any masterpiece will do. Try Rebirth. Completely different game but it's got an island and some tiny cards. If it's the kind of person who has played Catan hundreds of times and practically nothing else, you're going to have to ween them with fillers so they gain some confidence and stop clinging to Catan like one of Harlow's monkeys before you can get them into better medium weight games. Coloretto in that case.

Solo gaming? Play a video game.

>>95995490
Catan isn't particularly like anything else. If this is a normal person, any masterpiece will do. Try Ra. Or maybe Rebirth, completely different game but it's got an island and some cards. If it's the kind of person who has played Catan hundreds of times and practically nothing else, you're going to have to ween them with fillers so they gain some confidence and stop clinging to Catan like one of Harlow's monkeys before you can get them into better medium weight games. Coloretto in that case.

>>95995490
Concordia, maybe Hansa Teutonica.

>>95995667
Ra is also a good suggestion.

Ra reprint when...

>>95995667
>Catan isn't particularly like anything else.
It superficially resembles Borderlands.

>>95995845
The reprints are in the middle of their boat arc.

>>95994894
It's fun so you know a femoid couldn't design it

>>95995490
Renature

>>95995667
Rebirth is mid

>>95994653
You called, king?

>>95995490
>likes Catan
I'm sorry, it's too late for him.

Guys Im sorry I slept on Pillbug for so long.
Makes Hive feel like a whole new game.
Loving that lil rolly polly.

>>95994976
TRVTHNVKE

>>95996364
I've never played Hive without the expansions. What's the base game like?

>>95995490
Depends on what they like about Catan. Nexus Ops for big hexagons and fighting for control of them, Pan Am or Bus for building road networks, Chinatown for trading and negotiations, MGS the board game for that Catan-like "roll the die and react to what it caused to happen" thing, but replace the die with a deck of cards and also it's cooperative stealth action.

Played two new games this weekend, here's a quick report.

>Wonderland's War
Was actually much better than I had feared. It's quacks of quedlinburg for people who want an actual game with their bagbuilding in under 2h. It's fun, randomness obviously plays a role but it's not as random as it might seem at first glance. There's a lot of strategy and tactics required to play well and a lot to consider. Method to the madness, if you will.
>Diamant
Small push your luck game. It's far more fun than it has any right to be, and I'd highly recommend it as something that is set up in 10 seconds and played in 10 minutes. Doesn't overstay its welcome and the probabilities are adjusted juuuuust right to have large variance of oitcomes even within one instance of the game. Absolute hoot.

>Viticulture
Played it again after years. Let's just see, I though, maybe it's really good and I just remember it wrong because everyone likes to shit on jamey. Nope, it's just not a good design, even with the expansion. Too dependent on visitors

>>95995002
Hating popular stuff is not a personality

>>95995490
Depends on what they like the most about catan
If it's the territory expansion in a tight board, you might give Domaine / Lowenherz (by the same author as Catan) a shot, or Condottiere if you want a filler (though it overstays its welcome for a filler, can drag quite a bit)
If it's the randomness and dealing with what happens, maybe Castles of Burgundy although it's basically a multiplayer solitaire
And if it's the potential for meanness (cause there are some nasty cards in that "game", especially if you play with Cities & Knights) , then Hansa Teutonica

>>95995657
I'm not a solo gamer, the rare times I play solo I simulate 1 or 2 other players, but this "ooga booga why solo when vidya exist" bullshit needs to be put to rest, they're completely different things

>>95997057
>Wonderland's War
I did not like it at all, I don't remember the exact details as it was in September last year when I played it online, but it was boring, brainless and a slog, I think it took a little over 2.5 hours and it all felt like a waste of time, I won by a land slide (20 vp over 2nd place) but it didn't feel very earned. I might not enjoy Quacks either if they're that similar (never played it)

>>95997230
He's not entirely wrong, Brass is overrated as fuck, I don't know how it's still at the top spot but I guess there could be worse picks, imo it deserves top 200 or maybe even 100 but top 10? nah

Quest for El Dorado and Lost Ruins of Arnak worth getting? I love the theme.

>>95997325
El dorado absolutely
Arnak only if you can get a good deal on it and also grab the team leaders expansion, it's a deck builder that's basically a resource conversion game, you'll spend the entire game getting resources, then converting them into others, then expending them to advance the research track. It WILL get samey after some plays, Team Leaders will add some replayability but not that much. So, yes, but only if you have a good deal so that when it'll inevitably get stale (soon enough if you play often) you can just sell it and recoup the expense

>>95997321
>I don't know how it's still at the top spot but I guess there could be worse picks, imo it deserves top 200 or maybe even 100 but top 10? nah
It's easy to learn (only 1 somewhat hard to understand rule) but it's still deep. You have interaction without it being too cutthroat like a splotter. It's tactical but you still have to pick your strategy for the game. Imo it's in the perfect middle ground to appeal to lot of different people

>>95997409
>easy to learn
Not saying it isn't, but with a 3.87 weight rating (meme statistic, I know) it's perceived by many as a game for advanced / experienced players; It's not just on bgg, I'm in a community group that organizes game nights on fridays and mondays, and whenever Brass is proposed at a table, there are warnings such as "this is a game for experienced players, it is suggested to watch a tutorial or a summary of the game rules for a smoother rules teaching prior to the game" and people unironically saying "i'd like to try it but i fear im not smart enough to understand it" or "i'd love to play it again but im too dumb"
Besides, if "easy to learn but still deep" was the metric upon which games are rated and ranked, Knizia's games and many other (not Brass) would be much higher up

>>95995490
Clans of Caledonia

>>95997594
Who cares what you or your group of brainlets thinks. Stick to your kiddie games.

>>95997594
It's rated by people who have already played it and know the game is really easy to understand and the only rule that ever confuses new players is the network one for selling/supplying coal. That said it's true that new players will never win for the first few games

>>95992781
I'm no cryptoherpetologist, but I'd assume wyvern and dragons would have clearly different genitals if they are actually from different species.

Is blood rage any good? I could get it for 55 eurobucks

>>95994047
>5 players
>not suggesting the greatest 5 player game of all time Hansa T

>>95994894
Cosmic Frog was designed by Jim Felli. He turned into a tranny after if was released.

>>95998649
too braindead and random for my taste, Rising Sun and Ankh are better

>>95998673
so if i play it will i turn into a tranny or not???
this is important! i'm this close l--l to sucking dick the way it is

>>95997057
Wonderlands War was a bad experience for me. Way too bloated. Too much random powers no one cares about. Actual decision space seems quite small.

>>95997325
Love El Dorado. Are any of the expansions worth it or just big down the game?

>>95999195
Bog*

>>95998649
The drafting is really simplistic and the wargame elements are ehhhh. I'd use that cash on something else.

>>95997230
Neither is liking shit.
>>95997409
Calling heavy games easy to learn is hilariously out of touch.
>>95997968
Oh you're so mature doing a bunch of addition with poker chips every turn. It is overrated and you're a fool if you can't see that.
>>95998314
It's rated by people who are following the hype and countless reviews refer directly to it. If you want a realistic glimpse into where Brass would be rated without the kickstarter reprint effect look at Age of Industry. And no, new players have trouble with more than one rule. It's full of unintuitive exceptions.

>>95969475
>>Die Macher
is it actually any good? seems like a fun game but I fear my usual group would find it too easy to sabotage

I could get this off a sale for €20, what do we think of it?

>>95999417
>It's full of unintuitive exceptions.
Name them

>>95999595
If you don't know what they are, I'm not dignifying you with a response

>>95999763
Yeah I guessed so

>>95999015
Nah bro, just have someone stucking your dick as you play, and you'll be covered.

>>95999595
Sorry it has to be the closest coal. Oh no any iron works. You have to be connected. No, beer teleports, but you can only sell it. Cards have to be played like this unless you do this to get a wild, but you can't do that if you have a wild. Yeah, developing works like that for everything. Wait, no, you can't do it for that particular pottery. Actually beer has to come from the brewery first. Overbuilding is simple, just do this. Oh you want to overbuild someone else? That's different! Only these buildings, and it has to be like this...

I'm not being exhaustive but I'm so tired of this "it's just one rule bro" bullshit from Brass players. Almost every conceivable aspect of the game has some exception, often for reasons even historians of the era wouldn't intuit.

>>95999484
Sabotage how? i liked the game pretty much. This electoral process simulator with agenda management, political power buying and so on is very different from any other stuff I've played before, and that's a plus for me. It's a very, VERY brown dry euro btw, keep that in mind. And also, scoring is kinda obscure but it's nothing too difficult. I recommend getting the last edition.

>>95999787
NTA so you guessed wrong faggot.

>>96000000

Why aren't board games more popular on tg? It's 90% rpgs, which I like, but board games have a lot to offer.

>>96000049
Becahse board games have winners and losers. If you're already a loser, you don't need to be reminded by playing a game.

>>95999938
Closest connected coal
Any iron works
Overbuild your stuff always, others' irons and coals with empty market
Spend an action to swap 2 cards with 2 wilds if you have no wilds in hand
Your beer from anywhere on the map, others' must be linked
Tiles which can't be developed have an icon reminding so
Doesn't seem very complex
>>96000035
Ok

>>96000049
They're less popular in real life as well (except mass market games like CAH, of course).

>>95998649
I like it, but you have to go into it expecting a blood rage game. It's fun, the theme helps.

>>96000276
Doesn't seem intuitive. Doesn't seem devoid of exceptions. Doesn't seem like a single rule.

Here's your interaction bro

>>96000410
Tick tac toe might be more up to your speed

>>96000049
My honest opinion on that issue is that board games pretty much necessitate purchasing a physical product where RPG products can overwhelmingly be downloaded.
You can't pirate one but you can the other and /tg/ is full of a lot of broke bastards. You can use TTS to play board games but TTS is total dog shit compared to IRL games so they don't bother with it.

>>96000562
Are you retarded? Genuinely.

>>96000527
>bluesky screencaps
Even worse than twitter screencaps

>>95994653
>>95994717
>>95996045
Got Aggy, then Arle, and finally Odin last year
I still think Arle is a better game from a design perspective but fuck me if I'm not always rearing to play Odin again and again.
It's kind of annoying actually because I want to play it in half the time but none of his other poly games scratch that same itch, so I'm tempted to keep workshopping my own mini/duel version. I think I reduced the parts while retaining the core and it has a novel action selection system, but fuck me if I have any clue how to balance intricate polyomino shapes properly

>>96000527
Bruh moment

>>96000628
It's not me the one having problems understanding 6 short lines of text

>>96000527
She's right thoughbeit, getting people to agree to play Wingspan after their first game requires negotiations that put TI4, Imperial and Chinatown to shame.

>>96000768
Truthnuke

50 dollars for birds...

>>96000728
It is, actually! Your reading comprehension is so bad you can't seem to differentiate between "new players" and the person you are talking to, nor between intuitiveness and difficulty, etc. A game can be dead simple and have unintuitive rules. It can have very few rules and all of them have exceptions. It can have all these things and still be easy to learn. It can even be hard to learn and easy enough for me to play. I, as a person with theory of mind above that of a toddler and experience in the game, am even able to easily navigate design shortcomings while recognizing a new player will have trouble with them.

When you can't distinguish between these different ideas and collapse them all down to "haha too hard for you eh?" it's because you're pathetic and so is your mediocre game.

>>96000527
It's not untrue, some hostage negotiator sevel skill would be needed to convince me to play wingspan again
As it turns out, it was a negotiation game all along

>>96000938
In my experience the only rule that new players forget is the coal needing links as I stated in my op. Sorry my experience sent you into fits of rage

>>95999984
>agenda management, political power buying and so on
yeah that's kinda the point. my friends are the kind of players that don't play to win but to wreck havoc. it's the reason I can't play DnD with them, they try to break the rules just for entertainment. for example a normal round of munchkin goes as follows:
>Player 1: oh no I can't beat that monster bearing no repercussions
>Player 2: I would help you for half the treasure
>Player 3: I do it for free
>discussion erupts for the 981st time of that's even allowed
>usually yes
>other players immediately throw all their extra cards out in an effort to sabotage the battle (actually good and intended)
>entire game slows down third turn in because no power ups are left
I fear it would come down to political trades with very one sided value for shits and giggles. sorry for the blogpost

>>95998649
Might as well wait for the Tabletop Tycoon reprint now that they own it.

>>96000980
Please tell me your gamg has played Quo/Zoo Vadis

>>96000972
>Tick tac toe might be more up to your speed
>my experience sent you into fits of rage
Either you have the memory of a goldfish or you breath cope like they do water.

>>96001065
don't know that one. recommendation or would I get a red face from facepalming so much?

>>96001089
Both.

We're halfway through the year. How many times have you played Hansa Teutonica anon?

8

>>96001198
0. I don't like point salads.

>working for a board game publisher
>checking out applicants for booth volunteers for gen con
>mfw anyone with they/them listed for pronouns has a shirt size of 2XL+

>>96001198
Only 4 times. That may change tonight.
Or TGZ will out muscle it.
Either way people gonna get paid

>>96001226
What size you wear?

>>96001283
XXXXXL, can't believe those enbys are so puny lol

>>96001283
XLT

>>96001089
It's a pure negotiation game. You march pawns up a board to reach the finish line.
On your turn you move a pawn from your supply to a room at the start line, move your pawn along a road to a higher room, or move the free movement marker from one road to another.
Each room has an occupancy limit. You cannot move a pawn into a full room.
To move a pawn out of a room you need permission from enough pawns in the room to reach half the room's occupancy limit. Players give permission on behalf of their pawns and opponents get 1 victory point from the supply per pawn that gives permission. The player who moves takes a victory point chip off the road and draws a new chip to replace it (they come in random denominations).
If the free movement marker is on a road you do not need permission to take the road but you do not get points for taking the road either.
The game ends when the finish line room runs out of space. Only players who reach the finish line are eligible to win. Most points wins.
You can trade victory point chips in deals with other players but deals are only binding during the turn they are made.

>>96001198
only 2... it's over...

>>96001470
Your game group needs correcting.

>>96000949
>>96000527
Truly a piece of art; the actual game is entirely the meta, the discussion if you should play the physical game. But you need to play the physical game for the metagame to have consequences, despite nobody actually wanting to do so. It redefines the tired old 'How far are you willing to go to win' by upping the stakes drastically. Truly ahead of her time

Guys Im falling into games strictly for the solo mode.

>>96001220
>Hansa Teutonica is a point salad
>>96001076
stop replying to him he's clearly too pissy to fully read posts to the end before writing up a reply, see how angry his reply was to my post >>95997594

>>96001615
Anyone who takes the 'geeks weight score seriously deserves to stay mad all the time.

>>96001591
According to the gulag this plays 1-4 players.

>>96001591
Future GMT customer

>>96001685
Having this set up next to Falling Skies should pair nicely.
Pendragon frightens me, so this is a suitable replacement.

>>96001615
>Hansa Teutonica is a point salad
How many ways are there to score points in Hansa?

>>96001409
this could actually work. thanks anon for the detailed rundown. I know what game to try next with the guys

>>96001753
Do report back to us on the shenanigans.

>>96001732
PP track
Largest network
Bonus chip collection
Controlled cities
Fully upgraded ability tracks (minus keys ability track as that multiplies your network anyhow)
Any discs placed on barrels
Uh, England map has a bonus score type for controling cities in Wales and Scotland
I think thats all?

>>96001732
3 during the game and 5 endgame.

>>96001801
Red route and first trading post in corner cities

>>96001831
Those just add to the PP track so Im not distinguishing how points get there.

>>96001732
There are two ways to score points for controlling a city (1vp for each trade route action at the city plus 2vp at the end of the game).
There are two ways to score points for occupying a cluster of cities (the race for the east-west connection plus your keys at the end of the game).
There are two ways to score points for placing pieces on marked spaces (marked office spaces during the game plus the Coellen at the end of the game).
There is one way to score points for uncovering marked spaces (the end of each ability track, except keys, at the end of the game).
You also score points for the meals you collected (at the end of the game).

There's an expansion where you get points for occupying or controlling cities listed on your hidden objective card.
There's an expansion where you can trade in meals for placards that give you special powers, some of which are additional end game scoring.
There's a map where you score points at the end of the game for having majority control of cities in chunks of the map.

>>96001885
>Those just [move you on the score] track so [that's just one way to score] points
OK asshole. Name a game with two ways to score points.

>til there are as many Hansa fans as TGZ fans
>and you shall rejoice before the anon your pal, you and your son and your daughter and your male and female servants and the OP who is in your town, and the stranger and the orphan and the widow who are in your midst, in the place where the anon your pal chooses to establish His game.
password: rage

>>96001983
Wrong board.

I like Root

>>96002034
I do too.
Declined to get the latest expansion stuff, but I am satisfied with what I already have.

>>96001707
Pls sir no I have a wife and kids

>>96002056
>I have a wife and kids
>Guys Im falling into games strictly for the solo mode.
Do your wife and kids know you're a degenerate who would rather masturbate than interact with them?

>>96001753
piggybacking off that other guy's post - Quo Vadis is long out of print but Zoo Vadis has a lot of improvements and is maybe the best looking game i own, the whole thing is just classy

>>96002119
I don't care for the asymmetric player powers and I'm not totally sold on the peacocks.

>>96002128
how do you play Quo Vadis?
old copy? TTS?

>>96001801
The rulebook lists 6 ways to score points at game end and 2 ways during the game for a total of 8 different point sources. For a comparison, Feld gets called a point salad designer here:
- In the Year of the Dragon has 1 event that scores, 3 end turn scoring (palaces, court ladies and privileges) and 3 at game end (persons, monks and remaining money), for a total of 7 scoring sources,
- Notre Dame you can score off of playing cubes on scoring areas (3), collecting messages, character cards and building the cathedral for a total of 6 sources,
- Bonfire - skipping turn in the last 5 turns, and 7 other sources listed in the rulebook for a total of 8,
- Castles of Burgundy - animals, watchtowers, completing regions, selling goods, unsold goods, leftover silver, unspent workers and knowledge tiles, for a total of 8.

So yes, with its 8 sources of VPs, Hansa Teutonica is up there in the pantheon of point salads.

>>96002128
You can just not use those components. The 3-5p board is 100% identical to the original.

>>96002137
I played it at a game meetup. I don't know how old the copy was.
But you can play Quo Vadis? with a Zoo Vadis set if you don't mind people thinking you're a furry.
The 3-5 player side of the Zoo Vadis board is the same board as the Quo Vadis? board.
The rulebook even mentions this, although it advises keeping the peacocks in.

I wake up sometimes and wonder wtv happenned to him

>>96002206
That man is locked up in a rape dungeon.

>>96002206
I think the wardens of bg nirvana don't let people post here. Which is why I am trying very hard not to come near it

hex and counter wargames were a mistake

>>96001076
I wasn't the one who started hurling insults and writing paragraphs

I must confess my sins... I like clank

>>96002278
Elaborate further.

>>96002152
I don't entirely disagree but the corner trade posts amounts to 4 points, total, split between all players. It's essentially negligible. Of the remaining 7, it's extremely common for no one to complete the red city route, hit Colleen, hit a full upgrade, and/or gather no bonus markers. So yes there are 8 ways to score but people rarely do a little of everything.

point salad is good actually

>>96002267
The what?

>>96002341
Of course, it's /bgg/s favourite genre

>finally caved and bought the last copy of TGZ that I could find for sale in North America
If they announce a reprint in the next year I will kill a man.

>>96002349
It's a plane in Dungeons & Dragons full of ant people, autistic robots, the ghosts of people who use their turn signals before changing lanes, and other good company for board games.

The average cartoon does a better job of portraying the human condition than board games do.

Swingy-ness is good and fun.

Is /bgg/ just gonna wax poetical to close out the thread?
Shall we compile them into the Euro version of *The Meditations*?

Chess is as elaborate a waste of human intelligence as you can find outside an advertising agency.

>>96002278
seeth, cope, mauld
50 years of history cant be beat, they are older than you, zoomer, and will be here long after you pass.

When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning.

From most important to least important, these are the critical factors that will determine whether you will enjoy playing a given game:
a. Whether you’re in a mindset to enjoy playing a game.
b. Whether you enjoy the company of the people you’re
playing with.
c. Whether the game design is any good.

Ok Reiner Aurelius, you can stop now and go back to farming cabbages or whatever.

>>96002401
Yes, observe

Ocean wide, puddle deep - wargames
Easy to learn, hard to master - abstracts

>>96002488
wow this is very based. i should play some more abstracts

I wasn't ready for all these TRVKEs

>>96002331
>I don't entirely disagree but the corner trade posts amounts to 4 points, total, split between all players. It's essentially negligible.
What are you on about? What corner trade posts? We're talking about Hansa Teutonica here.
>Of the remaining 7, it's extremely common for no one to complete the red city route, hit Colleen, hit a full upgrade, and/or gather no bonus markers. So yes there are 8 ways to score but people rarely do a little of everything.
Just as it's common for players to not score any points for leftovers in Castles of Burgundy, or not qualify for a lot of the optional scoring in many other listed Feld games. It changes nothing and the point still stands.

>>96002488
It's a shame wargames are interactive. Give that a cute animal theme and you have a hit on your hands. Wait a minute...

>>96002488
Go get your ass repeatedly kicked in Paths of Glory and then you will stop spouting that shit.

>>96002572
I think the majority of the point sources amounting to 0 or near it a good chunk of the time is significantly different. The tension where you want to do a lot of things like it's a point salad, but can't, is a common selling point of the game. If it is a point salad it's a example of how to do it better, but I'd say it's in more of a transitional state.

Point salads can be fun.

I am about to learn Bios Mesofauna RRREEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>96002647
That's the reason why I don't like HT, it's a point salad and there's very little tension, you can always score points elsewhere.

>>96002633
How many people, realistically, played Paths of Glory 100+ times? Mind you, in chess for example, 100 games is not even close to understand anything about the game, it's basically a tutorial mode.

>>96002957
Do you count pre- and post-transitioning as two people or one person?

>>96002846
If you don't like it, you don't like it, but saying Hansa Teutonica lacks tension seems insane. It is usually (not always) possible to score points elsewhere, but not a meaningful amount. The constant threat of the places you need to go getting blocked off of otherwise disincentivized is full of tension.

>>96002836
>FROM THE TWISTED MIND OF PHIL EKLUND
>THE LIBERTARIAN EXTRAORDINAIRE
>COMES A FOOTNOTE UNLIKE ANY OTHER

Chess is the best game. Every other game is what you play if:
a. You are not good at chess
b. You haven't played chess
c. You are filling downtime between chess games

>>96003054
>The constant threat of the places you need to go getting blocked off of otherwise disincentivized is full of tension.
Other than extra actions early on, there are no places you really need to go. There is no area of the board where you have to be to have a chance at winning. The tension dissipates quickly once you realize that.

>>96002836
Two hours in, one of the players just quipped:
>this should have just been a research paper

>>96003161
>No engine building
>Only a small amount of resource management
>So prone to causing AP that you have to play with a literal clock
>Only 1 map
>Limited interaction in the first 10 turns
>Only 2 player

Anyway if you like Chess you are LITERALLY being groomed to enjoy slop like Lord Of The Rings: Duel For Middle Earth - A 7 Wonders Game

It feels good knowing that the Harry Potter past singlehandedly killed all the Spirit Island discussion on this board.

>>96003558
Never stopped me.

>>96003558
>>96003571
I like Spirit Island as a heavily modular game system. Would rather play a dozen spirits than learn a dozen heavy slop games. The latter eats up my time with non-play. The former I can genuinely do the learn as you play thing.

>>96003513
Lol I literally own duel for middle earth. Touchê

>>96000588
But then there's the 40k stuff and all its expensive adjacents. But that is more of a sunken cost thing than anything

>>96003571
>>96003591
The Island is dead. Bury it. Consider this mercy.

>>96003663
Not until I've played one of every spirit and aspect

>>96003668
I've never played Spirit Island before and I've probably enjoyed playing it as much as you have.

>>96003671
And I will continue posting my sessions until the task is done.
Have no fear we've got posting for years.

I never understood the set collection bad meme

>>96003682
Low hanging fruit?
There are better points of critique but they would require effort

>>96003682
I don't know that set collection is bad but I have recently discovered that I am bad at set collection.

>>96002703
Speaking of which, anyone got opinions on Men-Nefer? I like the theme and it has stellar reviews, but it also looks like kind of a game where constantly scoring little bit of points and taking turns just to prepare actions for future turns might get exhausting and tedious with time.

>>96003736
I saw this at a local game shop, took one look at the back, and thought "that mess will never get tabled".

>>96003692
I guess you could say that the base game maybe has a bit of reliance on set collection due to spirits not having enough elements on board

IDK I like having to weigh up taking a power thats not necessarily the best for the situation to scale up elements vs. just taking the best one that helps now

Spirit Island chads, rate the game and each expansion.

>>96004024
For me its

Jagged Earth > Nature Incarnate > Branchy Claw > Feather and Flame > Base

But also I would only ever recommend playing them in the order of release

JE just has the best designed spirits period with maybe 2 duds (Memory and Mists). It's sad we'll never see anymore content for the game possibly but JE capped it off for me anyway and NI just feels like a bonus expansion similar to F&F so it's nice but not necessarily needed.

F&F beats out base just by having scotland which is my favourite adversary but honestly I forgot it existed until I got about halfway through writing this post. Downpour and Wildfire (With NI aspect) are fun, snake is ok and finder is a meme jobber spirit for people who wanna triple the playtime of a session.

>>96004024
Spirit Island 0/10
Jagged Earth 0/10
Nature Incarnate 0/10
Branch Claw 0/10
Feather and Flame 0/10

>>96004024
>>96004024
Game is 10/10. Quickly approaching 900 games as my wife and I share the obsession.
Expansions are difficult to rate as they fit together so well. Probably B&C > JE > F&F > NI > Horizons. Only because there is no favorite spirit of mine in the Horizons bunch and I am still not convinced that the Incarna tokens were necessary.

>>96004133
I didn't even bother with Nature Incarnate. Only the Aspects are of any interest to me. Plus everything fits in the storage solution I have it in.

I don't know why you think we won't see more content. All that whining over politics is temporary and we'll probably see a 2nd edition cash grab by 2030.

>>96002152
>many ways to score = point salad
Being a point salad or not isn't just about the NUMBER OF WAYS to score VPs but also HOW OFTEN they occur, in Hansa Teutonica it's pretty common to have turns in which you don't score any points, because you're setting up to score more later
For the record, I wouldn't call Notre Dame a point salad either (because you can place cubes to prepare against the plague, get even more cubes or money or just straight up score better later), Year of the Dragon isn't a point salad either; Castles of Burgundy definitely is one (if you spend a turn not getting points, you're most likely doing something wrong, especially at the start of the game). Dunno about Bonfire, never played it
By the way, anyone tried Luna in the domain of the moon priestess?

I just can't get into spirit island's theme. Moana Disney looking ass game

>>96002152
Oh and by the way, if we have to be nitpicky:
- In the Year of the dragon also has a specific action (Books) that gives points, and the events that score points are 2 not 1 (Dragon Festival, and Mongol Invasion), and unspent rice/fireworks get turned into coins (which are then turned into points). That's 3 more ways to score points than you listed for a total of 10. Still not a point salad
- Castle of Burgundy also has point bonus for completing regions that depends on the round you're in (the earlier the better), and diplomas for filling out all areas of one color. That's 2 more than you've listed for a total of 10. A point salad (because of how frequently things are scored)

>>96004133
>>96004158
Cheers. I have all the content from the Jagged Edge Kickstarter, so it looks like I've got the best stuff. The annoying part is that I also got the wooden organizer thing, and it just barely contains all the spirits. Any further expansions probably won't fit, especially if they contain any new tokens or other mechanics.

Follow-up question, what difficulties are you guys playing at generally? And are the highest difficulties meme tier luck fests, or are they playable with the right spirit combos?

Getting back into the game a little bit, rekt Sweden at Level 1 and Prussia at Level 2 yesterday. The start of the game is always a bit questionnable, but overall it was pretty easu so far.

>>96004340
>we'll probably see a 2nd edition cash grab by 2030
i've been waiting for this inevitability to pick up a copy

>>96004340
We might do but GTG is literally shuttered and I have no idea who owns the rights.

Hopefully if they make more they bring TedV back as the lead developer as I feel the game would not be nearly as good without his hand

The NI Spirits are overally all really fun. I think the only one I dislike is the horse because its so fucking overpowered there's almost 0 strategy to playing it. The hapsburg rework is.... Ok? I don't play against it too much because it feels a bit raid bossy with the specific mechanics it has

>>96004525
I play at either level 4 or 6 depending on my mood, you can play basically any spirit against any level 6 except for a couple who either have ridiculously poor matchups into a few or are mists (lol)

If you get into double-adversary stuff it can get very fucky wucky, pretty much Sweden + Any other adversary is just completely fucked because of the huge damage bonus sweden has. Still fun to experiment though

>>96004525
I play at max level when solo, if I teach new players I start at Prussia 2 because it's basically no adversary but forces players to play a little bit tighter with the 3 act card early and let you show the escalation machanic of act 2

>>96004610
>>96004542
Cool, thanks for the responses. I'll probably get to play it tomorrow, continue pushing the difficulties tomorrow. Last thing, when you play solo, do you play as one spirit or several?

>double-adversary stuff
Was not even aware of this. Considering how overwhelmed my board gets with wypipo already, this sounds like absolute insanity.

>>96004622
50/50 split between 1 and 2. Usually to learn I play 1 because it drastically cut down the play time and the interactions I have to keep track of

What were they thinking btw

>>96004650
what game is this?

COIN is truly peak game design, bros
No other system managed to land on the intersection of fun, deep, simulationist, diplomatic, simple to learn, versatile, and narrative as well as Volko's (pbuh) creation

>>96004826
>COIN
>simple to learn

>>96004805
Bringing me back to 2019 anon

>>96002957
Same can be applied to abstracts. And yes, I've played wargames more times than you played abstracts.

>>96004951
Stahp reminding me I havent played enough Hive.
Sure, an unhealthy obsession with bakelite is no basis for a relationship, but they are just so....chunky.

>>96004838
Average eurogame
>here's 100 actions you can do using 20 different resources
Average wargame
>ok so phase 1 out of 25, impulse 1: roll dice to determine weather, consult chart 5.63/4 but only if your supply is over morale factor, obviously
COIN
>you can do one of 4 actions, 3 bonus actions, or pick a card event. Have fun.

>>96004980
Average pax
>You can buy a card, sell a card, play a card or activate ops. Have fun

>>96004980
>you can do one of 4 actions, 3 bonus actions, or pick a card event. Have fun.
What, you want to know how to win as the Muslims?
Well let me walk you through the eight step peocess of forming a Muslim state...

Average Summoner Wars game
>curses, foiled by dice again!
>its the arts fault!

>>96005017
Pax games ARE simple

>>96005106
Average Go
>You place a stone. Have fun

>>95979927
Fair enough.

>>96005106
They are and I'm tired of pretending they are not

>>96003400
oof
that player can play with my group

>>96003682
best set collection games?

>>96001591
Some of y'all solo gamers remind me of this episode of Chowder.

>>96003736
>>96003756
This - you could say the same thing about Andromeda's Edge, Unconscious Mind, Galactic Cruise, Shackleton Base, and a host of other hyper-complex euros that have glowing reviews and people are saying "It's my game of the year" only to see them on Facebook Marketplace in 3 months because they can't get them to the table because everyone wants to play Deep Regrets instead.

>>96004650
how long it would hurt after they cut their dick off

>>96006361
>Andromeda's Edge
This game is ass. I have played this game once and I'm never playing it again.
>Galactic Cruise
I have played this a handful of times and I am willing to play it again.
There is no way I would ever buy this game though.
There are games I would rather play that are shorter than just the teach for this.
The worst part is it could be shorter and lighter without really losing any gameplay.

How long is too long of a teach for your group, /bgg/?

If I go over 20mins my group's eyes start to glaze over and I start to get the "can you say that last part again?" every 2 minutes after

>yeah I'm somewhat of a boardgamer too *whips out cards against humanity and exploding kittens*
wwyd?

>>96006726
i can work with this at least. get them into some better games
on the other hand, these people >>96006361
>>96006673 are too far gone to save

>>96006673
I've had 1h long teaches and it was no problem. I had 5 minute teaches with a different group that almost broke them. Thus I learned some people don't just prefer to learn by playing but NEED to do so to grasp it. I feel compelled to call these people names but if that's just how they learn and not necessarily a matter of interest/focus/intelligence

>>96006726
That person didnt say they're a boardgamer, only somewhat of. No lie here.

>>96006726
"While I will not judge you for finding trendy games enjoyable, I will, however, judge you for calling yourself a board gamer when you know nothing about board games. Come talk to me about that again when you know the rules of Point Salad. And Alhambra. And Catan. And Ticket to Ride. And Mint Works. And Carcassonne. You may look into, but are not required to look into Agricola, Pret a Porter, Castles of Burgundy, Merv, Lisboa, The Gipf series, or THe Campaign for North Africa. With that being said, I've never actually played Exploding Cats. Want to teach me?"

>>96006909
My main group has players who have no trouble parsing large amounts of information or choosing between large amounts of options but so help me god if the game has an irregular turn order or you do an irregular number of things on your turn they are instantly lost.

>>96006726
This is why you always carry an emergency Sprawlopolis in your pocket.

>>96006912
Is CAH still considered a 'trendy' game? I was still in high school when this shit got popular. Are there new, updated version with modern zoom lingo?

>>96006970
Based

>>96004433
A point salad is a point salad is a point salad. Just because it's not always you scoring in Hansa doesn't change the fact that eventually turns rarely go by without someone scoring. It's a point salad with low tension levels.

>>96005795
Coloretto
Ra
Between Two Cities

They made the Ticket to Ride cover woke
The West has fallen

>>96005795
Canasta

>>96007104
Based grandpa

>>96001591
A patrician

Ok fine I'll bake but I can only do so once the kids are in bed (and I haven't immediately fallen asleep with them)

>>96003736
*pronounced Mennifer

>>96007980
Cool. I appreciate that. I thought about baking but I wanted to do an image with the Cinnamini Monster playing Spirit Island and I lost motivation couldn't find any good shots of the CInnamini Monster.

>>96005795
Spirit island

Spirit Island is the biggest white guilt game out there

>>96007021
>it just is because i say so
oh okay then, sure, every game in which you score points is a point salad
no difference whatsoever between a game where no matter what you do, you score points, and you can do everything without specializing (castle of burgundy) and one where trying to do everything is to your detriment because there are things you have to deal with other than just scoring points (notre dame, year of the dragon, hansa teutonica among the ones mentioned earlier)

While Hansa Teutonica has elements that might feel like a "point salad" game due to multiple paths to victory, it's generally not considered a pure point salad game. It requires strategic focus and efficient point scoring, rather than just randomly accumulating points.
Here's why:

Multiple paths to victory:
Hansa Teutonica offers various ways to score points, including building trading houses, upgrading abilities, and controlling city connections.

Strategic focus:
While you can score points in multiple ways, successful players tend to focus on specific strategies and build efficient engines to maximize their points in those areas.
Interaction and blocking:
The game involves significant player interaction, where blocking opponent's routes and strategies can be crucial for scoring.
Tightness and efficiency:
The game is known for its tight gameplay and the need to make efficient use of actions and resources. Simply accumulating points without a focus on efficiency can lead to failure.

In contrast, a "point salad" game typically involves:

Many ways to score points with minimal strategic depth: Players can score points almost indiscriminately for doing various actions.
Less focus on efficiency and optimization: The game might not strongly incentivize focusing on specific strategies or maximizing points in certain areas.
Limited player interaction: There may be less emphasis on blocking or hindering opponents' strategies.

Review: Hansa Teutonica, an outstanding game of passive ...
While Hansa Teutonica has elements that resemble point salad games, the strategic depth, player interaction, and need for efficiency prevent it from being classified as a pure point salad game. It is more of a strategic euro game with multiple paths to victory.

>>96008412
Except all you said is wrong retard because most of the early turns in Castles of Burgundy are you setting up, building mines and getting goods to then have a row of explosive turns where you ship the goods, put down multiple hexes in a single turn and score favorably for those. So whatever you say about Hansa applies equally to Castles and because of competition, especially early competition for mines and late game hard competition for good animal tiles, you won't get to do everything either. You can continue doing mental backflips trying to pretend like you can skip most scoring sources in HT but not CoB (you can) but it won't change the reality. They're both point salads where almost every action ends up scoring one way or another unless you fuck up.

What Makes Hansa Teutonica a Point Salad?
Because it has:

Multiple independent and overlapping point-scoring systems.

Incentives to diversify without punishing focus.

Constant scoring feedback for nearly every action.

A wide spread of scoring opportunities, both tactical and strategic.

Yes, it’s tighter and more interactive than many euro point salads, but that doesn’t disqualify it — it just makes it a leaner, more cutthroat salad. Think of it as the arugula and radicchio version of a point salad: more bitter, less creamy, but still a salad at its core.

>>96008562
>Hansa Teutonica has elements that might feel like a "point salad" game due to multiple paths to victory,
Pax Porfiriana has multiple paths to victory and it doesn't feel like a point salad. Hansa Teutonica has one path to victory: the winner is the player who scored the most points.

NEW BREAD:

>>96008596
>>96008596

FUCKING SPAM DETECTION

>>96008596
>>96008596

>>96008612
TIL spam detection is Renature.

>>96008562
Thank you chatgpt

>>96001591
s-s-same for me too
all hope is lost