was it better than the end times crap we got?

You missed the general

>>95970336
Fuck you

>>95970323 (OP)
Yes, since the 'end times' crap we got resulted in the culling of the setting for GW to try and push AoS on us.

Whilst the end of 'Storm of Chaos' was actually the perfect point for launching a new age and edition of the setting.

-Chaos's greatest army broken and humbled, their leader Archeon humiliated and no doubt soon to be rejected by the gods he serves and devolve to a Spawn.

-By the triumph of Ulric over the Warriors of Chaos, the Wolf god is seen as strong by the broken hordes now fleeing for their homelands. The worship of Olric surges anew in Norsca, a Great new Norscan chief arising with the backing of the The Order of the Winter Throne and support from the White Wolves and Ulrican parts of the Empire, with hopes to unite the South of Norsca under the Wolf-God and win back this land from Chaos.

-An Uneasy truce now exists with the land of Sylvania, for the Vampire lords formed part of the coalition of enemies that bought down Archaon. Both sides seek to reign in their own for now as they jockey for position and rebuild their strength. Yet all know that this truce will not last, another round of the Vampire wars will sooner or later begin.

-His strength proven by Bashing the Chaos Champion (who'd already apparently bashed the Empire Champion), Grimgor Ironhide sets his eyes on the Dark lands and Zharr-Naggrund, to topple his greatest foe and lay waste to those who once enslaved him.

>>95970323 (OP)
Better in the sense that a regular shit is more pleasant than violently explosive diarrhea

>>95970417
And then the game could focus on the Chaos Dwarves and what is very clearly some sort of megastructure intended to either capture the Chaos Gods or offer Hashut a material vessel to inhabit - after all, Zharr-Naggrund is made entirely of Obsidian, which is *the* material for dampening the Winds or even capturing them. This would have the pleasant side-effect of focusing the camera closer to Cathay, letting GW market an entirely new human faction to Asia.

>>95970417
>>95970656
That would've disrupted the chaoswank narrative so no chance

>>95970417
Kino

>>95970697
It really is annnoying how GW seems unable to resist the urge to make everything about chaos, all the time, especially considering that chaos is their least interesting and most derivative faction. Everyone else is more interesting than chaos is, but GW is convinced that any time that chaos is not onscreen, everyone is asking themselves "Where's chaos?" instead of sighing with relief.

>>95970744
They could make Chaos interesting and sometimes do with side characters and factions, but they always choose to focus their most despised "narratives" on the most generic expression of the idea as possible, lead by characters duller than dirt and more cringeshit than Shadow the Hedgehog.

>>95970744
I love that 6e lore which was the storm of chaos made it so that all the nonchaos gods were actually just the 4 chaos gods in disguise.

Actually no, I hate that because it's retarded.

>>95970797
Only person who said that is faglakor, and he's a chump who got taken out by rocks.

>>95970803
They said it in liber chaotica and hordes of chaos and gav "pronouns in bio" thorpe doubled down on it in interviews saying the horned rat was a mask of nurgle.

>>95970813
>>95970797
The Eldarification of the Elves was my personal rage, why did they rewrite Waystones into soul beacons when they served a perfectly good function as Wind magnets towards the Vortex?

>>95970863
Everything has to be congealed 40gay slop.

>>95970813
>liber chaotic, hordes of chaos
In-setting propaganda. If you believe it you're as dumb as a chaos worshiper
>Fag Thrope
Contradicted by the actual game lore then and now. No longer has a say in anything except prepping his wife's bull.

>>95970417
100% this.

>>95970417
>Yes, since the 'end times' crap we got resulted in the culling of the setting for GW to try and push AoS on us.
Successfully, I might add. AoS has consistently mogged Fantasy at every turn (except video games, the only thing TOW fans play, buy or care about)

>>95974414
Neat fanfic

>>95970912
Don't get me wrong, it is absolutely rancid lore that makes no sense, but it IS the lore, at least in the Storm of Chaos timeline.

>>95970912
>Contradicted by the actual game lore then and now. No longer has a say in anything except prepping his wife's bull.
You are a liar. Another developer from 5th and 6th also said that all gods in fantasy are actually the Chaos Gods in one form or another.

>>95970803
What Be'lakor actually said was that Solkan doesn't exist and that he is a lie. He then sent the Solkan Inquisitor to the Realm of Chaos to check for himself. That was from a novel that came in 8th ed.

A reminder that only children and autists make stuff up. Which are you?

>>95970797
That has always been the case though? Do you not know how magic and the gods work in Warhammer? Don't answer, I know you don't already because you don't read the books.

>>95980370
Fantasy books were kind dogshit so I don’t blame him

>>95970417
I like it.

>>95980370
Yeah the chaoswank way predates end times. It's kinda atrocious how deeply woven into warhammer's DNA it is. I don't think I've ever seen a fantasy group or character have the writer's nose so far up its ass. Tolkien and his numenoreans maybe.

>>95970323 (OP)
Post SoC was the perfect setting for the RPG, and it pisses me off that 4e turned the clock back to an infinity less interesting time for nostalgia reasons.

Age of sigmar was nothing but part of gw's plan to copyright everything out their messy hodgepodge of tropes that became their golden goose.

>>95982858
>golden goose
It wasn’t warhammer 40K though. Hell they could have abandoned age of sigmar, fantasy, and blood bowl and the company would have thrived even more. The titles only exist now for gw to dominate the table top market. Shame the rpgs suck though.

>>95970417
This is a perfect way to make the setting so fucking boring.

>>95982907
SoC would've kept the setting and the status quo, archaon would've gotten a slap on the wrist and get back and everything would play again and again. that's what warhammer is about, a static ambience for your games.
instead we got chinese ripoff 40k with bipoc space marines and corpo approved copyrighted races.

>>95970417
too kino and not chaoswank for the author sorry

The chaos gods are the only original idea Warhammer has thought. Without chaos wank you just have edgy LOTR

>>95983100
skavens tho

>>95980116
Sales numbers and popularity don't lie, dumb hipster faggot.

>>95983100
fantasy doesn't rely much on other movies and books for its setting as much as 40k, which is basically homoerotic dune.
besides, aside from the halflings of the moot there's barely anything related with lotr and whf.

>>95970323 (OP)
/tg/ stop living in 2006 challenge

>>95983056
>SoC would've kept the setting and the status quo
Which setting? The one after the second reboot? 5th edition? Or 6th? Because the setting had been disfigured multiple times, or more accurately it tried wearing a mask multiple times and seemingly only until 6th it found its own face to go with.
>that's what warhammer is about, a static ambience for your games.
maybe for 40k, because again, fantasy was looking for that mask after it stopped being a dnd company (or whatever it was, point is they were basically making models to attract that audience), as for when it did become a wargame, meh? 6th saw the timeline advance and go back on a whim, you were able to field a glup shitto that died here and there, or wasnt cannon, but I guess im going on a tangent.
Anyways enough about that, im gonna disect why your proposed idea is dogshit. On its own.

>archeon gets spawned
sure, whatever. Belakor also stays buried under lizardmen rocks too, ill give you that to pretend like we're ignoring the impact that this should have on chaos. Or the Winds of magic.

>By the triumph of Ulric over the Warriors of Chaos, the Wolf god is seen as strong by the broken hordes now fleeing for their homelands.
Okay this is retarded, and you're relying on a nega Archeon to make this work. Already dogshit worlbuilding, even by gws standards. The uprooting of faith by something as flimsy as another failed chaos invasion, is just fucking stupid, this is chaos worship mind you, in the north. The fanaticism and dependency they hold onto for the chaos gods is something that wouldn't and shouldn't shake. The only method you could make this even REMOTELY plausible is if they confuse ulric with khorne and distort the teachings of ulric, which causes a schism with ulric both internally and metaphysically. Yes, I know this is chaos wank, but you put this onto the table.


>pt.1/2

>>95983182
Yeh, if you put Gimly next to wfb dwarves they'd be compleatly different. And Legolas would stick out like sore thumb among wood elves.
I don't know how anyone could ever think those are relsted

>>95983254
you're generalizing. the tolkenian portrayal of races is widespread in most modern fantasy settings, not just warhammer.

>>95983235
>>95983056
>An Uneasy truce now exists with the land of Sylvania, for the Vampire lords formed part of the coalition of enemies that bought down Archaon. Both sides seek to reign in their own for now as they jockey for position and rebuild their strength. Yet all know that this truce will not last, another round of the Vampire wars will sooner or later begin.
We're just ignoring and leaving Nagash and his effect on the winds out there? Alright sure, whatever. Anyways this implies that the von cunts are the only lineages worth of note around, and you know what, GW always pretended like they didnt exist, so I guess thats fair. Ah but this is my biggest gripe with this whole thing, you're only focusing on the empires area (and chaos wastes/north too, as a token), whats going on in Lustria? Or the Elves? Im going to pretend you're getting Bretonians involved with the empire and not forget about them like the bastard they were under GWS wing. The whole wulfric thing also makes it seem the "enemy within" angle chaos had goes away too? You're making the setting smaller in a hypothetical time where GW already didnt want to expand the map.

>His strength proven by Bashing the Chaos Champion (who'd already apparently bashed the Empire Champion), Grimgor Ironhide sets his eyes on the Dark lands and Zharr-Naggrund, to topple his greatest foe and lay waste to those who once enslaved him.
Its simple. So sure, I guess the idea does work, I dont get why he doesnt just topple the empire on his way there, but I guess we'll just have to ignore another potential apocalypse scenario.

>>95983182
>fantasy doesn't rely much on other movies and books for its setting as much as 40k
You're a fucking zoomer who hasnt even heard the term of pulp fiction. People will say the setting "lovingly sent love letters" to the genre, but they ripped them off by the standards of the time back then.

>>95983268
Just because everyone steals from Tolkien doesn't make wfb not steal from Tolkien

>>95983385
stealing ideas from tolkien and being "edgy lotr" are two different orders of magnitude, you spaz

>>95983312
yeah, like what? fantasy is more about historical tropes than anything. sure, you got conan the barbarian, the arthurian cycle, beowulf, but you also have renaissance germany, feudal france, tsarist russia, reptilian aztecs, vampire pirates and italian mercenaries, all meshed up together. also fuck you

>>95983300
>We're just ignoring and leaving Nagash and his effect on the winds
Storm of Chaos, not End times. Nagash was an end times return.

>Ah but this is my biggest gripe with this whole thing, you're only focusing on the empires area

Storm of Chaos was primarily empire-area focused. I presented an aftermath for the main participants at Middenheim and around, not for the entire WHFB setting. Feel free to throw in your own suggestions to what they'd do elsewhere.

>>95983126
Skaven are chaos...

>>95983824
And high elves are part of the theoretical "Law" factions, but both have their own goals and motives that don't align with those of their respective "factions" that they're treated as their own thing. Skaven are in it for Skaven, they're ironically more chaotic than Chaos ever was for how often they target Chaos worshippers as much as they ally themselves with them.

>>95983100
Chaos is one of the most generic things in warhammer. Like painfully generic. The only thing unique is skaven, but even that was a partial ripoff.

Much as I think Michael Moorcock is a retarded cuck, his takedown of GW was 100% accurate. He called them dishonest, creatively bankrupt thieves and expressed regret that he didn't sue them over law/chaos back in the 80s when he had the chance.

>>95980370
there is a difference between
>magic is Chaos energy shat out through the poles and refracted through the pseudo-prism of the Winds
and
>everything supernatural is Chaotic in nature

>>95984739
Not him but I think what he means is how in the old lore everything magical came from "chaos" and the law gods and chaos gods were two sides of the single force of chaos.

He's wrong though in that in the old lore there were separate law and chaos gods and they were distinct entities, while in 4e-7e lore they turned it into "only 4 gods exist, the 4 chaos gods, and any other gods are just their minions or themselves fucking with mortals".

They then changed this in 8e and AoS to "only 4 real gods exist, the chaos gods, and the other gods are mortals who inexplicably got magic powers after the 4 chaos gods cyclically destroyed reality".

It should be said that every instance is pretty badly written, but the 4e-7e and 8e onward lores are seriously terrible. They not only don't make much sense (especially 8eAoS which has zero logic or explanation at all) but they're also annoyingly fap-happy for the chaos gods, making them the be-all-end-all ultimate source of everything, because edgy grimdark, while also making chaos even more boring and generic (the force supposedly representing endless possibilities distills into the same 4 well-defined evil gods with armies of identical minions) than it already was.

>>95983268
>the tolkenian portrayal of races is widespread in most modern fantasy settings
But that's false. Most of the modern fantasy settings are closer to DnD (if we are talking about generic fantasy) or Witcher/GoT/Souls (if we talkiung about dark fantasy). Warhammer on the other hand doesn't exactly follows Tolkien as much as it follows Moorcock (elves) or itself (scotish dwarves and green orcs).

>>95984982
Realm of chaos era chaos is really interesting as a jumping off point, but they just never expanded on it and made it the big four forever (despite realm of chaos having rules for generating your own chaos gods!)

>>95985636
When you consider a lot of ham's terrible lore, you have to remember it was always written as a toy commercial. Selling minis was what drove it. Chaos is a lot more marketable if you make it 4 gods only with identical footsoldiers. Since chaos also had the most expensive and strongest models, they also got the most lorewank. All warhammer worldbuilding is on the quality level of GI Joe, if that.

>>95986408
It wouldn't be so bad if those four gods and their followers weren't so damn boring nowadays, especially cause they've doubled down on just singular gimmicks rather than expand their domains

>>95970323 (OP)
the bar is on the ground, lad

>>95980301
Oh, "another developer, " OK faggot. Wouldn't be any less wrong based on the actual lotr.

>>95983854
Skaven are in it for the Great Horned Rat, a Chaos god. For all the bitching in this thread about how there's only 4 gods, you sure like to forget the other Chaos gods.

>>95994104
Skaven are in it for Skaven, anon. It's not like the main quartet or Hashut worship, they mainly bother to acknowledge the Great Horned Rat when they really need help, or they want to avoid GHR's wrath for forgetting him.