What does /tg/ think about spider man, avatar, and sonic being shoehorned into mtg?

>>95971808 (OP)
That game has been retarded garbage for babies for like 20 years so who gives a shit?

>>95971808 (OP)
There's an MtG General you can ask.
Opinions are generally divided though, and you can expect negativity to rule a place like 4chan.
Approval seems to be highest for Final Fantasy, lowest for Spider-Man, and Sonic here is just a Secret Lair so it gets ignored along with the previous likes of Walking Dead and Miku and Godzilla and whatnot. Secret Lairs aren't worth getting vitriolic over. It's not a standard-legal set like Universes Beyond, and yes there is a difference.

>>95971808 (OP)
GOTTA GO FAST!!!

Why is sonic URW and not just RW?

>>95971808 (OP)
I've been indifferent to M:tG since the late '00s.

>>95971808 (OP)

>>95971808 (OP)
Not half as gay as Dr. Who or the bastardization of Lord of the Rings. I wanna make a Mean Bean Machine deck with Eggman.

gay

>>95971949
Watsonian: he interacts with Flash creatures which are primarily blue.
Doylist: "sonic is blue".

>>95971987
The LOTR set pisses me off specifically because the various race swapping of characters was almost certainly done to distract from the ongoing controversy of how WOTC was mauling DnD again and trying to fuck over third parties with licensing. And everyone fell for it.

>>95971808 (OP)
>autismo franchise are added to the grand-father autismo card game
color me autistic

>>95972030
Oh yeah I guess that's true.

>>95972030
Retardo: sOnIc Is WUR bEcAuSe He'S aS aMeRiCaN aS aNiMe
>snark snark snark

>>95972030
>watthonian, doylitht

>>95972073
this guy gets it

>>95971808 (OP)
>What does /tg/ think
Various things.
I personally thing it's just another symptom of a long-lasting decline of the game, but I dropped it long ago so free shrugs, I guess.

Mild surprise that they weren't already in there.

>>95972078
Anon is Mike Tyson

>>95971987
Why is there no sonic RPG actually? It'd be a perfect containment zone for all the autistic donut steel recolors

>>95971808 (OP)
I hate it, I despise it, and fortunately so do all the people I play with, so I’ll never have to see it.

>>95971808 (OP)
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/'Til_all_are_one
It's not just a religious line for the Transformers, it's Hasbro's media policy.

>>95971808 (OP)
I think WotC should be burned to the ground and everyone who keeps buying these fucking card sets deserves to have a brick hurled at their head.

>>95971833
This. Last good block was Return to Ravnica, everything afterwards is Marvel tier multiverse garbage.

>>95971808 (OP)
>Thanks to Magic the Gathering, that old Tails vs Sephiroth meme will be real in an official product
Did the simulation glitch again?

>>95971808 (OP)
Game's dead.

>>95971833
Ah, ye ol' faithful shill tactic.

>Actually product was always bad!
>Now buy product!
>This product wasn't meant for you!
>Why are you not buying product bigot?!

>>95973733
Been dead since World Wake, been on life support since Urza's Saga

>>95972914
>All will be one
Fuck

Other nerds don’t understand how bad this is. This would be like if GW added Grimace, Ronald, and the Hamburgler into 40k as over powered official units that any army could add because McDonalds slipped them $20. Hasbro and the mtg team are cheap sluts.

>>95974204
it's our occupation government dunking on us, they just look at anything smart asian and white men enjoy and destroy it

there are cards with pro players on them. now they're next to Squidward and Shadow the Hedgehog. how do Tiago Chan and Jon Finkel feel about that? that's right, suicidal. just like they want all smart men to be

>>95971808 (OP)
It really clashes with mtg aestethic of cow-boys, spaceships and mafia dudes

>>95971808 (OP)
based
I hope more will come

>>95972345
You can't "contain" Sonic Autism. It'd breach and leak all over the rpgspace.

>>95972072
Anon, please go touch grass.

>>95973208
https://youtu.be/rkxqt9SVO4E?si=mlXNGQXpOaah4CAi

>>95973208
https://youtu.be/qfTCCZAbFSo?si=qVi9if-NRabG5E5Q

>>95971808 (OP)
>mtg
SLOPmander is not mtg.

>>95971987

>>95973026
>Return to Ravnica
Everything went to shit in Lorwyn. The true last good block was Time Spiral.

>>95978713
>blalia
this is her husband

>>95978713
>>95979694
and this is their son.

>>95971808 (OP)
I think MtGgers haven’t suffered enough. I think their punishment must be more severe.

>>95974204
These are in no way "overpowered".

>>95971808 (OP)
>What does /tg/ think about spider man, avatar, and sonic being shoehorned into mtg?
It doesn't bother me in the slightest.

>>95979725
The One Ring. Also Vivi is a standard legal infinite combo.

>>95971887
>Secret Lairs aren't worth getting vitriolic over.
Anon, do you pipi in your pampers?

>>95979807
>The One Ring
Outlier.
>Also Vivi is a standard legal infinite combo.
So's Abuelo's Awakening? Standard is a 4 mana ends the game format.

>>95979888
Retard speak is not an argument or even a point, retard.

>>95979234
Time Spiral was to weird and broke the community into competitive and casual when before they were in lockstep. Thus setting everything bad about demographic appeal regarding their modern marketing in motion.

>>95980617
can you tell me about that? sound interesting. I only got into modern after about amonkhet

>>95981302
Long story short is that Time Spiral was a big shock internally at wizards because it was the first time the popularity of a block had any noticeable difference between the completive players and the causal ones.
It was mostly because Time Spiral was a weird and complex block which required a higher level of mechanical understanding to get the most out of.
Then you add in that OG Ravnica which while being popular was also relatively complex and Coldsnap which was a experimental one off set in of itself were also in standard, led to a brewer and competitive players paradise filled with weird but viable decks.
This however was just to much for your average causal who was mostly running whatever they could open from packs and unlike Ravnica which bundled everything up into cool color combos, Time Spiral was an anniversary block that didn't hold your hand when bringing back old mechanics and the like.

Needless to say, this caused a paradigm shift within Wizards as they could no longer just make thing under the assumption that everyone would like it the same which led to a greater level of appealing to different markets in particular, which has snowballed to how things are today.

>>95971808 (OP)
I'm a fan of Sonic but this is the kind of shit that makes me not want pic up MTG again. The crossovers would be good if it was ONLY fantasy. The fantasy theme is dead now. Also who designs the cards now? Most of the cards have boring rules on them. And why the fuck is Sonic a warrior?
What I hate the most is that my local shop only wants to play WotC, GW and Pokemon/Yugioh.
>>95971987
Eggman is the only good card in this shit set. To bad it still kills the fantasy theme I liked about Magic.

>>95971808 (OP)
>What does /tg/ think about spider man, avatar, and sonic being shoehorned into mtg?
Everyone involved should be raped and killed.
Whoever thought of it should be raped and killed.
Whoever designed the cards should be raped and killed.
Whoever did the art for the cards should be raped and killed.
Whoever accepted the printing contract should be raped and killed.
Whoever bought it should be raped and killed.
This bullshit doesn't belong in Magic and everyone fucking knows it. Know how I know? No one in the community before these dog shit söykike fake gamers joined, was asking for this shit. No one was asking for fucking SpongeBob cards. We made those in Magic Set Editor as JOKES. Now you have söyconsoomers fucking buying that shit un ironically.

>>95971808 (OP)
I prefer card games over shit PNP where my character is perma killed based off my daily luck. That is what I think. So it is still better than every table top RPG to ever be made.

>>95971987
Who fans wish they could be even half as annoying or autistic as sonic fans. At least when Who fans go crazy they just murder their GF and use a fake alibi. Sonic fans transition and then rape their mothers. So, it's a bit worse.

>>95983574
XD

>>95983545
It's avoidable too when sonic has fit in fantasy settings before

>>95971808 (OP)
I legitimately wish everyone that buys this crossover slop kills themselves.

>>95983611
>rape is worse than murder

>>95982385
ahh interesting thanks. time spiral seems like such a cool set.

>>95971808 (OP)
I like them, they have cool mechanical designs.
I've never played Sonic.

>>95989469
>set
Block. They used to have these things, you see...

>>95982385
I was looking at WOTC timelines as part of posting in a different thread, and I noticed something. Time Spiral lines up pretty well with 4th Edition D&D. The relevant part is that WOTC acted like it's customers/players had no options but to do what the company expected. Public backlash against 4e + Magic sales faltering must have panicked WOTC behind the scenes. Lorwyn's Planeswalkers were already planned for Time Spiral block, so they weren't a response (production cycles used to be longer), but New World Order and rarity = complexity was. Mythic rarity likely came of it, especially since justifying "crap" rares with complexity and less draft impact was already a thing in the late 90s. Then we get OP Jace as a mythic and suddenly WOTC has its $ answer.

The most insane thing is the MtG players are the most normal looking people at my LGS even with all the Secret Lairs. The Pokemon, Yugioh, One Piece, and Lorecana crowds look exactly like you'd expect. I don't think I'll ever be able to switch TCGs because of that fact alone. That said the second someone makes a half decent TCG with a high fantasy setting I'm quitting magic. The Holo Live TCG is set to release soon. Can't wait to see that crowd.

>>95972049
Never 4get WotC is the only game company that for some reason thought it was a good idea to send the LITERAL PINKERTONS to intimidate someone

>>95989513
If FF is any indication with cloud and sephrioth being the chase cards. Wizards might of finally stumbled into the pokemon model (Having over prices super chase cards of popular characters which devalue the normal versions to cheap prices) as long as they have the IP to back it up.

>>95982385
Damn. I really liked Time Spiral back in the day. It didn't confuse me as a casual, but us casuals back then would buy old (often shitty) cards to play random ass goofy decks. So Time Spiral Block felt like I was basically playing "all of magic" like normal, except in standard.

>>95989570
>cares about looking "normal"
You are part of why MTG went to shit. WotC wanted YOUR money.

>>95989570
>MtG players are the most normal looking people at my LGS
>I don't think I'll ever be able to switch TCGs because of that fact alone

woman mentality

>>95989775
>>95989792
lol nah troons. there’s a reason why only other troons play pickup games with you.

>>95971808 (OP)
It doesn't really matter

MTG lore and plots are mostly garbage that exists as set dressing for the cards. Them ditching those for already existing worlds and characters is gonna be an improvement in most cases

>>95989811
>acts like a woman
>blames others for it

how about you stop playing tcg's and pick up a gym membership instead. You know it's bad when you have to defend your self-consciousness over the internet to strangers

>>95989828
This. I never understood people sucking off MtG as if it has 40k levels of interesting lore. The vast majority of planes are either 'real world mythology with the names slightly changed' or 'the plane where everyone is X job'. There are exceptions, sure, like Gloomhaven or Lorwyn, but on average they're nothing to write home about

>>95989811
I stopped playing paper Magic in like 2013 when I realized that Theros was indicating it wasn't going to get better from RTR and Innistrad blocks being garbage, and only briefly tried arena a couple times before quitting for good. Game has been increasingly nauseating since Lorwyn-ish with only brief pockets of interesting bits (like Rise of the Eldrazi limited - constructed fucking sucked). I just hopped in here to laugh at how it's degraded into cardboard fortnite complete with your average dudebro playing it rather than it being the domain of weird spergs.

>>95989828
>MTG lore and plots are mostly garbage that exists as set dressing for the cards
Wizards going
>We found the Weatherlight Saga was too complex to follow for most players
was one of the skeeviest lies they ever made. It wasn't too complex to follow, it was too complex to follow for the braindead idiots they wanted to be their target market. The self-contained stories post-Invasion Block were alright, but obviously had less long-term character investment.

Returning to "long stories" but making it fucking follow the Marvel formula was lobotomizing the brain they had previously sedated, and now discarding all of it is beheading the corpse.

>>95989863
They were right. The vast majority of players never really cared about early MtG story because it was just not very good. MtG''s writing is at its best when it's just one or two lines of flavor text, some interesting art and maybe an evocative name for the card. The moment you try to jump into a book or, god forbid, a website article, it reveals itself for the drivel it is. This is the case now, and was the case back then as well

>>95989875
It was far better back then, and you had recognizeable characters that would stick around for more than 1 set while not being entirely godawful.

Planeswalkers were not superhero wizards, they were people cursed with near-immortality and power beyond what their mortal shell could reasonably handle and frequently insane to the point that several tried to come up with ways to NOT go insane. It was infinitely more interesting and I have several of the old novels that prove it.

>>95989928
Yes anon, I've read those novels as well, and they were no different from the pulpy fantasy dreck that could be found fucking everywhere back in the day. It failed to capture the audience back then, they tried to change it, and it failed again, because nobody plays this game for the lore or the plot. Like I said in my first post: It doesn't really matter

>>95989947
They weren't giga masterpieces but they are enjoyable. And people did, actually talk about the lore a lot. But there just is plain not enough individuals like that to make number go up fast enough for daddy Hasbro. They wanted the shitheads like >>95989570
because there are faaaar more of them.

>>95989947
NTA but obviously Magic's strongest point was its worldbuilding but I find the issue is that unlike a project on the level of Black Library Wizards never had the infrastructure in place to do more with it outside of paring a novel with a fatpack at best.

Like there is nothing on a raw conceptual level that prevents Magic from having good stories, its more often that Wizards by tying them to set releases, set up a system where they were putting out 3 + books a year by the same roster of authors where Jeff Grub was the most accomplished one among them.
its telling that the best books they wrote were tied to sets so far in the past that the writers could breathe (Brothers War, Jodah Cycle, or were allowed to do whatever (Agents of Artifice).

The Multiverse isn't a worthless setting nor are the characters within inherently worthless, it just needs to be freed from the expectations of market the upcoming set.
But we both know wizards will never do that.

>>95971887
Godzilla was standard legal you tard.

>>95989753
Time will tell. FIRE turned into "print OP thing, let it win games while boxes still sell, ban it when we're selling the next OP thing" - Oko > Uro > companions > Tibalt > horizons >... but the real $ is in Secret Lairs because it's basically all directly going into WOTC pocket. They're no longer worried about formats and balance, only saturation and consumer fatigue.

>>95974204
You people literally have gay and tranny brigades, piss off.

>>95987357
You don't have to live with murder, retard.

>>95989811
You literally said black people look normal.

>>95990115
>Living with a bad experience is worse than prematurely experiencing your last moments before your unique individual human consciousness blinks out of existence, forever missing from the universe
Yea I think you might be retarded.

>>95971808 (OP)
Thank fuck I haven't touched cardboard in fifteen years now.

>>95989570
They might look like clowns but you're an actual one because you're still playing fucking Magic.

>>95971808 (OP)
Fuck trying or making your own thing when you can just get goycattle to buy your cardboard if you print their favorite pop culture references on them

>>95992406
Spongebob was the most blatant proof they’re doing exactly that. Almost every card art was a ripped internet meme template.

>>95992560
If you believe the leaks the entire season why the spongebob secret lair exists is that they were trying to get the rights for Star Trek for the upcomming space set in the style of the Godzilla cards, and since they're all owned by the same parent company, the Spongebob and Avatar cards are the end result of those talks.

>>95990101
Hey, moron. There's no Godzilla cards. They're all reskins of Ikoria legendaries. They're glorified proxies.

>>95997649
>They're all reskins of Ikoria legendaries. They're glorified proxies.
For now.

Final Fantasy set means that any IP can be magic next.

https://bsky.app/profile/magic.wizards.com

>>95997649
Zilortha

>>95989570
>>95989811
Fuck off from my hobbies, normalfag scum.

>>95998389
It truly does border on parody at this point.

>blonde asian twinks in space
you are keeping up with official magic lore and reading all their online stories aren’t you??

>>95983611
That sonic fan got groomed by feds though , transitioning people and making sure they rape is thier job.

>>96001567
What if the only reason we have so many blatant black man on white woman combinations in media is because we made it into such a meme that the trend became self-propagating? What if it's shitposters all the way down?

>>95998389
>>96001567
Even worse was how inconsistent the race swaps were. Eomer was white, but Eowyn (his sister) and Theoden (his blood related uncle) were black? Arwen was white, but Galadriel (her grandmother) was black? And those are just the ones I know off the top of my head.

>They made Warhammer Fantasy cards
>They misspelled "Archaon"

>>95971808 (OP)
I think it's funny that the Assassin's Creed set introduced historical figure cards and I can now use Leonardo Da Vinci as a metric of how strong Sonic or the Doctor's car is.

>>95973026
>RtR
Anon, RtR was part of this era too, even if Ravnica is historically one of the better parts of Magic. I say that not because it's Gatewatch-related, but because the same bumbling through trying to make the new planeswalkers into everyone's favorite mascots is exactly the reason why they tried to make poster boy Jace Beleren the Living Guildpact.

>>96010270
Jace is a fascinating example of trying to push a character over... Because it worked, but not for any of the experienced veteran fanbase and then much of that goodwill was lost with the gatewatch.
Jace and Chandra were basically perfect marketing bait for with i would call the "young fat guy in a hoodie" demographic if your get what I mean. And so they rode that popularity hard and they still ride that popularity to this day.

>>96011180
I grew up in that era and it was kind of cool. pirate jace was a bit lame. but the gate watch and even the war of the spark was kind of cool as a background battle going on you could see in the cards. old wotc even had felicia day play a chandra deck. in the pc game you could play through gideons backstory and all that. but now something about chandra being in a race car and tezzeret in space feels like they’ve completely don’t give a shit and let post malone print his face on cards.

>>96011244
>war of the spark was kind of cool as a background battle going on you could see in the cards. old wotc
>war of the spark
>old wotc
shit, where does the time go. I'd argue the last time we had something kind of cool in mtg was new phyrexia with this trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdDXMG9jvwg

>>96011292
Different Anon here, I quit during the Gatewatch period since I thought it was just way too bland, then a few years ago I noticed by chance they were doing new Phyrexian sets (ONE/MOM, even MAT), and thought they were quite cool. Also the Kamigawa tech set and Duskmourne I liked a bit… I mean, the 101% quips flavor text is awful everywhere. But some card art was nice.
Last couple sets I wasn’t even interested in looking at all the cards anymore, seems something has gone completely off the rails, flavor is gayer than ever and somehow every card has 8 lines of text with super specific triggers and payoffs guess that is what they call "design space"

Regarding the "magic story was never good" argument, I think we can all agree that TCG flavor works best in terms of just being "world building," as you will usually not have/see all the cards in the sequence they’d form in a story, but you can easily learn what Llanowar is from a few glances, and so on, character can also nicely be built, but more in a general sense, put some guy on a couple cards saying sage things and then obviously it is a wiseman, and so on. But quips everywhere and obviously all characters are clowns.

>>96011244
Ironically Pirate Jace redeemed him as a character in the eyes of most the people reading the story.
Turns out giving The Blue Player TM amnesia as reset the character as a buff confident chad with a Gorgon GF before giving him all his old memories back so the new development sticks works wonders.
Now is is an edgy Ugin style ghost man apparently.

>>95973733
Your product has always sucked and no ones telling you to buy new product
>But I always have to buy new products

>>95971949
It wouldn't be a Sonic game if there wasn't an out-of-place water level.

>>95971949
I am 100% sure wotc doesn’t give a shit about color pie. They just look at what colors a character is and print it. They made the GOAT FF black mage blue red because he’s blue and red in the art. Literally no other reason. The white mage is just white, the dark night is just black and zidane who is mechanically a strictly worse assquatch rogue is boros.

>>96001684
Excuse me, thon is non-binary and definitionally cannot be a twink.

>>95971808 (OP)
>Spiderman
gay
>Avatar
maybe ok
>Sonic
kind of dumb but shadow's card is cool