>Daemons can still be used in 40k, AoS, Old World and even Horus Heresy

When is GW going to close this loophole by flanderising the plastics for each setting so they're not compatible?

>>96004372 (OP)
Horus Heresy has it's own unique daemons, so I'd say they've already started shutting that down.

>>96004372 (OP)
Rainow demons aren't a faction in AoS and they won't be in 40k soon.
Not to mention they were never a supprted faction for ToW

>>96004404
>Not to mention they were never a supprted faction for ToW
They literally have rules.
https://assets.warhammer-community.com/warhammertheoldworld_legends_daemonsofchaos_eng_24.09-17yui588v9.pdf

They are Legacy sure, but they're still supported. The latest FAQ/Errata update balanced the Legacy factions as well.

>>96004372 (OP)
>When is GW going to close this loophole
They already do. In the last two editions tons of Daemon stuff got legended. We get more and more AoS-exclusive Daemon units as well.

>>96004412
Legends is hardly supprt. By that logic Tomb Kings were in AoS because GW shat out a pdf for them 10 years ago

>>96004439
>Legends is hardly supprt.

>got an army list
>game updates apply
Sure sounds like support. Secondary support, but support nonetheless.

>By that logic Tomb Kings were in AoS because GW shat out a pdf for them 10 years ago
For the edition that was out 10 years ago, sure, they were supported.

Have you tried not being a big gay baby about things?

Making Daemons their own army was such a shitty retarded decision

>>96004467
It's retarded because in practice it basically meant having to make 4 armies and nobody at Game Workshop had any interest in that.

Economies of scale mean creating fewer units and selling more of them is more profitable. The ugly niche stuff they make has to be useful to as many players as possible to make money.

>>96004575
Actually GW's strategy is having Old World Goblins with bows, and AoS Gobrot Spittas or whatever they're called (which are actually a late WHFB kit), and they're different plastic kits.

>>96004749
GW is retarded. Chaos Warriors have two lines right now of basically identical units.

>>96004790
To be fair, they still struggle with mistakes that were made before the release of AoS. Selling beloved kits in ToW and redesigns in AoS isn't as bad as missing out on VC, Lizzie and Skaven sales in ToW, because the OC factions in AoS still can't carry the game on their own.

>>96004832
They also doubled down on AoS by updating several old factions with generally well received overhauls. Which just makes the entire thing even weirder.

I suspect, and this is mostly just conjecture, that the original idea was supposed to be to ONLY have factions like Empire, Bretonnia, and Tomb Kings that aren't around anymore in AoS. Somewhat similar to how 30K only has a focus on the Imperium even though, hypothetically, armies like Orks and Eldar could still play a role. But that idea was flown out the window, and has now been double flown out of the window with Cathay releasing. Leaving us in a very odd place.

>>96004832
>>96005000
Wfb isn't deep enough to function without some basic bitch chaos faction so AoS had to give it some old stuff it had to remake anyway because people were getting mad at technical quality of 25 year old marauder kit.

>>96004394
front guy looks like Diablo

>>96004372 (OP)
Already have. Aos has been mono God consolidated factions forever, 40k is almost there, old world has dogshit legacy rules, and heresy won't have nuw rules for the first 2 months
>>96004412
>balanced the Legacy factions as well.
A. No it didn't, if made 0 changes to them.
B. Daemons are unplayable against anyone with magic.

>>96005013
I guess?

>Marauder kit
I just buy Vikings from Victrix.

They're not actually going to kick Daemons out of 40k are they? Is this the Monkey's Paw curling for GW bringing back Emperor's Children?

>>96005152
They PROBABLY won't, but I do think they are trying to downplay them.

>>96005152
And if you squat Daemons, Grey Knights have to go too since their entire purpose is to hunt Daemons.

>>96005152
They will kill them as an army. Maybe chaos marines will keep a few

>>96004372 (OP)
>When is GW going to close this loophole by flanderising the plastics for each setting so they're not compatible?
>what if we made them with different shaped bases?

>>96004372 (OP)
>make a sprue
>can be used for two systems
>one investment in molds, sell it to two customers
Why should they? How many customers are 40k and AoS players? Or how many demon players decide to buy AoS, Horis Heresy after having some demon units already.

>>96005152
No but they will never make daemons playable by themselves in their own release again. They will an additional on to an army focused on a particular chaos god.
GW does not want you to be able to play all its systems with one purchase.

>>96007559
>No but they will never make daemons playable by themselves in their own release again
Fine by me. Always thought Daemons were more interesting as something Chaos Marines summoned than a full-blown army.

I find it funny how GW dosn't really know what the fuck do with with Belakor in 40k

>>96005889
You are arguing logic to a company that is incapable of determining why their own consumers buy their product and feels the need to silo them in order to make it easier to figure it out. Strategic crossover between systems should/would create natural purchasing bridges between systems and allow them to convert more sales and diversify them so that they don't live or die based on how popular 40k is in the zeitgeist at any given moment. But that would be work and require that they actually figure out what their customers want. It is too confusing to figure out that there was a spike in product sales for a faction when one or another system released a new edition/book, better to assume it is only for the exact system that range was sold under.

>>96010311
> Strategic crossover between systems should/would create natural purchasing bridges between systems and allow them to convert more sales and diversify them so that they don't live or die based on how popular 40k is in the zeitgeist at any given moment.

If this is true, why has demons consistently been the least popular army? If more systems per army means more people getting into the army, than it should be incredibly popular since it's usable in every system

>>96010634
The fact that it's actually 4 incomplete armies stuffed in one book is probably the main reason. Most daemon sculpts are looking pretty old too.

>>96010634
I'd say:
1. Too obviously 'fantasy' for 40k; even science fantasy needs that token gesture to 'science'. Your space wizard may be a wizard, but he needs a laser carbine rather than a magic wand.
2. Lack of tactical variety. Ultimately hordes of melee infantry (and cavalry) marching up the board. Not so bad in fantasy, but in 40k almost everyone is an 'archer' with multiple attacks. And that's before we get into tanks and such.
3. Lack of visual variety. A bloodletter is a bloodletter is a bloodletter, and there's only so much posing can do (though I've used AoS witch elves for daemonette conversions with good effect). Even then, they're less individual than, say, a basic group of Guard. Even in fantasy, I feel a unit of chaos warriors, or even simple marauders or the new darkoath, have more individual character to the models. Is part of this age? Sure, I guess, but that's what's available.

>>96011401
>bloodletter is a bloodletter is a bloodletter, and there's only so much posing can do
Those are all demonettes, only limit is what GW wants to do

>>96011401
>A bloodletter is a bloodletter is a bloodletter

Chaos is only uniform because GW can't allow the resources.
In the lore you have billions of mutations.

There's no way a billion dollar company is able to produce that, only Goldlike entities like HighSchoolers with blender and 2 hours of free time can produce diverse demons to 3D Print.

>>96004394
I will be honest anon, a patt of me thinks these look cool but at the same time look like shit, i dont know why

>>96004372 (OP)
they already closed that loophole. 40k daemons is still a mix soup army of 4 greater daemon flavors in one list. Smegmar they deleted the Legion of the First Prince which was the undivided daemons army, so instead of 2 armies your daemons are now 1 40k army and 25% of a khorne smegmar army, 25% of a nurgle smegmar army, 25% of a tzeentch smegmar army and 25% of a slaanesh smegmar army. They chose to release new ugly models and joke rules for 30k so daemons don't transfer there (basic daemon trooper only has one option, sword or bad-gun, literally no depth) Warcry made all four daemon factions entirely unplayably bad so there's no crossing over there. Underworlds is all premade character bands so no crossover there for daemon players.

If you entirely gimp yourself to having a tiny mini-daemon army of only bloodthirsters in 40k (which sucks as an army) you can use it as a tiny mini-daemon army of bloodthirsters in smegmar, but it won't be enjoyable to play. And you'll have zero new things ever released for you (last khorne daemon release was like 10 years ago) as all new releases ever will be mortal humans of khorne which aren't playable in 40k (world eaters and smegmar bloodbound are separate kits)

Playing daemons in smegmar is so incomplete it's like if a store says they have a bathroom but it's just a bucket lying in a closet. That leaves 40k as the only place with an actual daemons army out of all GW systems, but GW is aiming to delete 40k daemons next patch. That will make daemons the LEAST SUPPORTED army in the entire history of GW. They'll exist nowhere as an army.

>>96014452
The focal points look good, the face/weapons/silhouette, but the skin is annoyingly smooth, one has a crotch bulge, and the colors could be better.

>>96016971
I think you like smegma a lot

> If you entirely gimp yourself to having a tiny mini-daemon army of only bloodthirsters in 40k (which sucks as an army) you can use it as a tiny mini-daemon army of bloodthirsters in smegmar, but it won't be enjoyable to play.
Wrong.

>>96016971
>They'll exist nowhere as an army.

It's about time. I like having Daemons in the game, but it's clear they were never intended to be their own army. GW made a good effort trying to make them work as their own army, but they've finally realized they work better as just another option for Chaos Warriors (Fantasy) and Chaos Space Marines (40k) to take to add some variety to their armies.

>>96016989
Nope, I don't play smegmar. It takes a special type of mentally handicapped queer to see a stormcast and think "I want to buy this game"

>>96016997
I think you’re already special for wanting to play with toys. Not as special as someone who doesn’t own minis but complains about gw though.

>>96016997
based and true

>>96016971
Which army do you play that feels incomplete? I’ve got ~3k points of khorne daemons and they’re so much fun to play in AoS (murder blocks and canons are sick).

I also use them in 30k but to be fair not as a stand alone army. They’re support for my Word Bearers chapter and it’s really thematic and cool. I’d post a pic but I’m away from my army right now.