ITT expansions where you pay to make games worse.

>>96011836 (OP)
Every Innovation expansion

>>96011836 (OP)
Princess & Dragon was alright, if you didn't combine it with expansions that focused on building.

Bloated pile of shit that turns a 40 minute game into 2 hour game.

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>>96012867
I'll be the first to say it: everything pre-2e sucks. Gygax had no idea what he was doing, but at least he wasn't soulless as the B/X guys. That's just trash.

>>96013533
Wrong.

>>96013533
B/X is a reinterpretation of OD&D by people who either didn't understand Gygax' writing or thought themselves cleverer than him with the changes they made.

>>96011865
I hate you yet I can't accuse you of falsehood.

Ti4: PoK

And D&D never recovered.

>>96011836 (OP)
TCGs old enough to get multiple expansion sets fall easily into this category although I doubt you'll see a consensus which set exactly counts.

>>96011865
Race for the Galaxy

>>96011865
I want to play a game with all expansions at the same time. Even though I realize it'd be a tremendous clusterfuck.

>>96017487
Was going to post this. Can't wait to not buy it and observe how Rio Grande fucks it up with Xeno Counterstrike this year.

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>>96015732
Nostalgiafags keep crying.
AD&D 2nd-ed is the only version of D&D worth playing.

>>96013661
Not hard to be more clever than Gygax.

>>96011836 (OP)
Bitch please... do you even pay to make your games worse?

>>96018321
>t. never played any game at all, not to mention DnD, and especially not ADD 2e
But hey, you can be always contrarian, I guess.
Meanwhile, I wouldn't wish anyone who dodged the bullet originally to have to go through ADD bullshit, and especially on their own, free fucking will

>>96018321
NO version of D&D is worth playing. If by any chance, wonder or blind luck you never played it, you should keep it that way, rather than checking out what's the fuss about.
Nor are the older/old editions better, they just come with their own dumb shit that's different flavour of both dumb and shit than the other editions.
I wish WotC just bought different discount bin license back in '97. The hobby would be unirionically in a better state as a whole by letting D&D just die. And that's not just the direct aftermath of 3e, but general bullshit that stayed alive and semi-alive thanks to digging out D&D as a brand from the grave it made for itself

>>96018377
I think the initial card expansions and focus tokens are decent, but bigger expansions with board extension are just all worse than the base game's world map.

Betrayal 2nd ed. And the third edition too if that counts. The 2nd ed expansion completely ruins an already pretty broken if at least soulful game

>>96019840
>revisions erase soul
Many such cases.

>>96019809
Focus points (not even tokens) are the only good thing that ever happened in the expansion.
The only.
Considering they came with expansion that does make the game itself worse, and every other expansion has virtually ZERO redeeming features, you are best off just using baseline and handling Focus as if it was always there.

>>96017476
There's a pretty good consensus on this one.

>>96018377
Step aside son, because I'm turning here a bad game into a fucking awful game

>>96011836 (OP)
Not one you pay for, but Corporate Era in Terraforming Mars. It adds a whole bunch of cards that are way more powerful than average, adds a lot of random card draw (significantly reducing the impact of drafting and increasing variance/luck factor) and makes an already long game take even longer, while adding almost no new strategic elements (almost all 'interaction' in CE is braindead simple). I genuinely don't understand why people insist on playing CE instead of non-CE (with at least Preludes included, of course).

>>96020538
Jesus Christ, I remember the astroturfed hype for this game. My gamimg buddy got hooked on it and wouldn't want to hear any reason.
Then the game came out, he of course bought it, we played it exactly ONCE over three sittings... and he quickly sold it off as "mint condition" while the hype was slowly dying, knowing he won't find a buyer a month later.
I can't even imagine what expansion to this piece of shit can do to make it somehow even worse.

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>>96020530
The worst part is that unlike all other board games, in TCGs you can't choose to just play without expansion that make it unfun. Your opponent is going to play bullshit, and the only way to keep the game fair is to 'upgrade' your decks to also become less fun.
>but goat
>but social contract
Fuck off, nobody plays Goat format, and it simply isn't feasible to add deck construction rules beyond the commonly accepted formats because deck construction is not trivial and must be done before you play.

>>96019961
>Go to hospital
>The Dean of Medicine is Vincent Price
>Fucking nope

>>96020658
Drafting is one of the worst elements of TM, ensuring that you never ever see cards that you want to see.

>>96011836 (OP)
Baseline game is great. You can play it with everyone, and it's always fun.
Expansions? Each and every one of them just adds clunky bullshit to the game that doesn't improve it in any way. In theory the temple and key expansion changes the dynamics of the game, but that's pure theory, as it's still about first guy to wrap up the challenge winning unless you explicitly set the map to be a wild goose chase (and there is a limit on how many arrangements you can make for that).
Just play baseline, don't get fooled into expansions. Especially since it's super-normie friendly, so you don't want to over-complex it, either, given you are most likely to play it with people that are drunk or never played modern board game before

>>96020538
Ah yes, Sleeping Gods. The ultimate board game grift that ever went through KS. I don't pity iditos who bankrolled it or bought it later - people that stupid deserve all the bad things to happen to them

>>96020762
What? It's the opposite. Without draft, you see 4 cards per turn and can buy only those. With draft, in a 3-player game, you get to pick one from your initial 4, then one from 3 passed by another player, then one from 2 passed by two players, then the card nobody took from your initial 4. That means you see 9 cards per turn in a 3-player draft game, as opposed to 4 in a non-draft game. (It's 7 cards for a 2-player game, and 10 cards in a 4+-player game.) Even with CE's bonkers card draw cards you're unlikely to get 3 additional draws per turn.

My experience is that corpos dependent on getting specific kinds of cards are at a significant disadvantage without draft. Sure, people could hate draft, but they can't deny you the most relevant card from your initial 4, which is the only thing you'd get without draft.

>>96020791
Thanks for posting this, was wondering about the expansions as I do love the base game.

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>>96020807
Never heard about this before, can anyone explain why it's so shit?

>>96020821
Ever heard about Paradox DLC policy?
Because that's more or less how expansions to El Dorado work and so is their quality and inter-connectivity

>>96011836 (OP)
Every Carcassonne expansion after Traders & Builders was pointless

Spirit Island is an already shitty game made even shittier by the expansion. Ehat an overhyped turd.

>>96019961
The one on the left looks like it's set in the backrooms

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>>96020800
What's up with it?
Quick Google search indicates it's somewhat average.

>>96020807
My play group hatedraft to the exclusion of nearly all else, leading to drafting being a waste of time. You're quite right that you see more cards with drafting, but with every other player deliberately curating the passed blocks of cards are entirely chaff. I'd rather draw four and save myself the hassle.
That being said, I think TM would actually be better with a market, but I haven't ever mustered the effort to write a fan expansion.

>>96022977
The second edition had some appropriately goofy and sketchy vibes to it's hospital and staff that were completely lost in the third edition. The third edition also streamlined the game to it's detriment.

>>96023071
It's below average.
Base game is a hodge-podge of ideas, the CYOA aspect of the game is severely undercooked and heavy railroaded, the game feels like playing a campaign made by a first-time GM (due to how tedious, railroaded and yet flat and uninspired it is), the art is absolutely ugly, the icons and tokens are hard to decipher at times (I'm still wondering what they were thinking for attack icon), the instruction is shit and, which probably makes it truly bad:
- it has zero replay value
- it is absurdly overpriced for content
- the whole "campaing play" just means it's a 20+ single sitting game and trying to pause the game and continue the game next week means you do your own extensive notes to keep track of things, as the game doesn't offer tools for that (despite claiming so)
- the base game outright comes with "empty slots" to insert the expansion, making the game feel incomplete
- said expansion doubles down on shitty railroad

tl;dr it's very poorly made and designed game that spend all its funding for EXTENSIVE marketing to peddle people an idea of a different, much better game

>>96020756
kek

>>96022329
>Traders & Builders had proper pig meeples
>Hills and Sheep has lame sheep coins
Should tell you everything you need to know.

>>96023071
>What's up with it?
The pricetag and the marketing
The game would be simply meh, but it astroturfed insane, empty hype for itself and had (and still has) a price related only to the level of hype, not the quality or playability of the game