Thread 96013646

D&D started as a game where people plagiarized from books and movies they liked. Think like someone modding Minecraft to have Pokemon in it. Except unlike a video game mod, the plagiarism was "canonized". It became an unintentional parody, a parody without self-awareness. This was ultimately the result of it becoming a commercial product, rather than something for friends to screw around with.

Decades later, it has morphed into a vile and bland soupy mess, where the only concern of the designers and players is enabling some "primordial" power fantasies as a vulgarized mockery of Jungian archetypes which the classes "represent". The death of the roots of D&D in other words.

But returning to those roots would not "fix" D&D. It would, once again, become an unintentional parody, a parody without self-awareness. D&D could never be a game for serious stories. Plagiarism is only, after all, a poor substitute for the original.

stfu faggot

Yes, no one can fix your retardation, OP the gay nogamea.

>>96013646 (OP)
Are you talking about OSR?

>>96013646 (OP)
Argument doesn’t read as if it’s sound. Try again you d&d hater

>a game for serious stories
Who tf are you, Neil Druckman?

>>96013646 (OP)
You're right, OP. D&D could never have been made today because of copyright lawsuits.

Lessers fear the greatest

>>96013646 (OP)
Do you have a point? If it was a parody, then slop, the desire to fix it obviously is rooted in a return to parody. If the transition to slop was intended to be a turn away from parody, then regardless of its motives it clearly has intent as to its destination.

Put simply, the problem fixing D&D has is that everyone trying to do it always tries to go forward and back at the same time. Military buffs call it winning the previous war.

>>96013646 (OP)
>D&D could never be a game for serious stories
fag. that was never the point

>>96014078
That's such a pretentious tagline that Hasbro and WotC managed to out 90s White Wolf 90s White Wolf.

>>96013646 (OP)
It aint plagiarism if you site your sources. Read appendix n, retard. Oh wait you dont even know what that is.

>>96014516
If you never cite them in the body of the text and just leave people to infer where you started lifting and where you ended, it's still at least close to plagiarism. Just having Appendix N wouldn't pass muster; you'd need footnotes or parenthetical documentation. And that's assuming that Appendix N is actually a complete list instead of just most of it (Kolchak isn't listed, therefore the version of the rakshasa they have is plagiarized).

>>96013646 (OP)
>D&D started as a game where people plagiarized from books and movies they liked.
It was trademark infringement that made them rename hobbits and remove Conan and Elric stuff from Deities & Demigods. And for the Elric stuff, they probably had a more legitimate claim to use it than Chaosium, who threatened to sue TSR.

>>96014644
Why? because they liked it more? the other company paid for a license not TSR

>>96014718
TSR obtained a license for Elric directly from Moorcock and one for Cthulhu stuff from Arkham House.
Chaosium claimed that they already had exclusive licenses to both, in which case they could have sued their contract partners for breach of contract. Instead they tried to extort money out of TSR.

>>96014493
yes, its slop for retards.

How the hell could you waste energy seriously worldbuilding for a game where the spell components are "jokes"?

>>96015109
just like every other ttrpg

>>96015243
mine are better.

>>96015253
Yours are worse

>>96013646 (OP)
>>96014516
>>96014545
Plagiarism is only wrong if you have an explicit contract that outlines penalties for doing so (IE being in an academic institution)

"Homages" and "ghostwriting" are both plagiarism. The former is just done with the assumption that the cultural context it's shown in means the audience recognizes it immediately. The Akira Bike Slide and King Kong-esque giant tower climbs are examples of this.
Ghostwriting is just "plagiarism with permission". In an academic setting, it's considered to be plagiarism even if the person who wrote your essay/research paper/story did so with the intention of you claiming it as your own, and them being monetarily compensated is considered to be WORSE.

>>96013646 (OP)
Having fun isn't a mockery of jungian archetypes you're just fat.

>>96015109
Then you must love it.

>"so like, what's the difference between arcane and divine magic"
>"divine magic comes from the gods! arcane magic comes from the goddess of magic!"
>"so they're the same thing?"
>"no, divine magic is divine, arcane magic is arcane"
d&d is literally tainted by american linguistic brainrot
as another example of american linguistic brainrot: distinction between condo and apartment, which doesn't exist in british english, and when you ask an american isn't it stupid to have separate nouns for renting vs ownership, their brains literally can't comprehend the question

>>96013646 (OP)
>Fake rage thread about bullshit statement

>>96023036
>"divine magic comes from the gods! arcane magic comes from the goddess of magic!"

This is stupid even to many Americans and the result of something coming from a single setting (Forgotten Realms). Blame Greenwood, not Americans in general.

>and when you ask an american isn't it stupid to have separate nouns for renting vs ownership, their brains literally can't comprehend the question

That is more a legalistic thing than a general American English thing. It gets even stupider when someone can rent out a condominium (as an Air BNB) and buy an apartment (turning it into a condominium).

>>96013646 (OP)
I get what you're saying, but that's assuming people want dnd to be a fully contained, full fledged experience. part of the beauty of ANY ttrpg, dnd being one of the lesser examples frankly, is that you can just change whatever you want. Some view homebrews as "fixing," I just consider it part of the game.

>>96014509
Call me when Hasbro puts a Totentanz in their product.

>>96013646 (OP)
What a salty bitch lmao

>>96013775
You are 2etard lmao!

>>96023036
>third worlder schizo seethe
Classic

>>96028957
Shut up OP. Your thread is stupid and so are you.