Surprised to not to see a thread on /tg/ discussing Daggerheart's ongoing scandal, despite there being several threads about the system.

>What is Daggerheart?
Daggerheart is a new TTRPG by Darrington Press aka several of the people behind "Critical Roll" namely Spenser Starke and Rowan Hall. Critical Roll is a group of primarily voice actors who played 5E D&D on Twitch and Youtube starting in 2015. The system has a narrative-first focus, with card game mechanics and a "Hope and Fear" system of competing dice. The Daggerheart core set costs ~$60 and limited edition ~150.

>What is this Daggerheart scandal?
The key takeaway is how restrictive Shadowheart's license is: the DPGCL (Darrington Press Community Gaming License) this will affect how available content is for the game, and the security of creators making content for Shadowheart (including free/fan projects like online resources). While not as severe as Hasbro's D&D OGL (Open Game License) scandal from in 2023 which caused this TTRPG diaspora, the DPGCL is objectively worst than what Hasbro currently published D&D under. This is obviously concerning for anyone who wants to be a consumer or especially content creator for Shadowheart, but in especially it is tone-deaf to given this same issue (overly restrictive license) is what caused the OGL scandal which lead to Shadowheart's creation in the first place.

This is likely a huge blow towards the future of Shadowheart, given it was launched with the expressed purpose of competing with D&D 5E, and with such proximity to the system's launch it could be a deathknell for the system.

>Responses
Critical Roll has responded to the backlash (Roll for Combat stream), where they state that (sic) "People are overreacting to the (license)". Youtuber "Dungeons and Discourse" has responded with multiple videos discussing the scandal. Youtuber and Lawyer "The Rules Lawyer" has created a video analyzing the scandal and DPGCL.

What are your thoughts about this scandal?

>What are your thoughts about this scandal?
i dont give a single flying fuck

>>96021049 (OP)
>Surprised people don't give a flying fuck about a total non-issue
>Here, let me start astroturfing for that
Fuck off.
And buy yourself a real ad

>>96021049 (OP)
Buy an ad.
And next time, don't ask Google AI to write posts for you.

>>96021049 (OP)
I feel utter indifference and will not be rage baited by wokeslop

Advertising/begging is banned on 4chan.

>>96021049 (OP)
>What are your thoughts about this scandal?
I don't give a fuck. I think you're trying to get us riled up about a product that nobody wants and will die the same whimpering death that Candela Obscura did. The sooner people stop posting about Daggerheart the sooner we can forget it ever happened.

>>96021049 (OP)
cute post, did chatgpt write it for you?
>the key takeaway is how...
yeah you fucking did.

>>96021090
>>96021100
>>96021116
Its not an "ad". How does that even make any sense? Advertising by talking about how shittily a new product has launched, by emulating D&D's biggest controversy, while trying to compete with D&D? Did you even read OP?

Is this some new strawman argument on /tg/, just accuse whatever threads you dislike as "being an ad"? Was expecting people to find it interesting, or at least point their fingers and laugh as Daggerheart crashed and burned.

>>96021140
Agreed, I think Daggerheart is pretty fucked. There are so many TTRPGs on the market post-OGL; never was a fan of Critical Roll, or watching anyone else play tabletop for that matter, but I can see why others might and how they could have leveraged that into making their own off-brand. Funny seeing it blow up in their faces though.

>>96021144
Not a bot.

>>96021241
Nobody cares. Fuck off.

>>96021049 (OP)
I dont care about daggerheart or gaming lisences at all, not even the slightest bit. I have my own game why would i ever need to play or write someone else's

>>96021344
If you're homebrewing everything in your own system, sure you don't have to worry about licenses. But if you're using someone else's it can have a big impact, even if you yourself are not a content creator. Namely it affects how available (and often the price) of that content is. At the most extreme this could even include fan-made resources like wikis, dicerollers, character creation sites, etc.

>>96021241
>Was expecting people to find it interesting, or at least point their fingers and laugh as Daggerheart crashed and burned.
I'm too old to spend what precious time I have on this planet on laughing at gay faggot games made by California queers.

>>96021241
>How does that even make any sense?
>Thing nobody heard or even cares about is brought up as fake and gay hot topic
>How is it advertising?
>How is it granting free google search positioning?
And the fact it was AI-generated post makes it twice as bad

>>96021427
Its not AI generated you kender-slurping worshiper of Lamashtu.

>>96021562
Your shitty LLM can't even keep the name of the game straight you fucking retard. Fuck off faggot.

>>96021049 (OP)
No one asked you what daggerheart is. No one cares.

>>96021241
You aren't subtle.

>Anything to do with CR faggots

>>96021049 (OP)
Have you tried not playing DnDaggerheart?

>>96021241
>Was expecting people to find it interesting
That would require from your bait to be actually good. Instead, it's just regular advertising done by chat gpt, trying to strir up non-existing "scandal" (who the fuck even uses that term to describe a fucking copyright bullshit, other than corps and their drones?) about both a subject and a game that people not as much don't care, but didn't even heard about. And then you double down on insisting this is real, serious and totally not crypto-ad running on "would you like to know more" logic.

>>96021241
The thread for people who cared happen a week ago. Go back to your subreddit.
Also, most if not all games don't use the D&D style third party support system and no one cares.

>>96021109
This sentence should be recited out loud at least 40 times every time you're about to browse /tg/.

>>96023962
More like every time you go online, I’ve seen my mom spend hours doomscrolling on Facebook. I’ve heard her bark, “STOP IT” to her iPad, but she still consumes. The entire thing is demonic, the internet is filled with devils.

>>96024042
>the internet is filled with devils
Would that it were so simple! No, it is far worse than that. The internet is filled with mediocrity, the normal day-to-day banality of the average person. It has, however, been sculpted by devils to make us seem devilish to one another. The windows we are afforded are carefully selected to show us those glimpses most likely to make us feel strong emotions, and the most readily-accessible of those are hatred and disgust. And, by evoking such things, it dehumanizes those victims that it selects for us—increasing the likelihood that we will go on to say or do something it can then present to others as something for THEM to hate or be disgusted by.

The endless optimization for “engagement” is slowly eroding our ability to reconcile opposing viewpoints and compromise on even the most mundane of matters. When the algorithm can present you with a community that thinks in lockstep and evidence that those who disagree are morally bankrupt, the idea of finding common ground is made repugnant. We become as devils to one another, even if we could otherwise find mutual respect.

>>96021049 (OP)
>What are your thoughts about this scandal?
I'm on a quest for the thing called "Fucks". I wish to make a present of them.

>>96021049 (OP)
Buy an ad + no one cares + those youtubers are literally whos

>>96024101
>The endless optimization for “engagement” is slowly eroding our ability to reconcile opposing viewpoints and compromise on even the most mundane of matters. When the algorithm can present you with a community that thinks in lockstep and evidence that those who disagree are morally bankrupt, the idea of finding common ground is made repugnant. We become as devils to one another, even if we could otherwise find mutual respect.

Im sorry but thats a stupid take.
Political balkanization existed long before social media was a thing.
It was always fueled and fanned on by media & press.
If you think that we would have some great kumbaya get-together if Facebook didnt exist you're retarded.

>youtube drama thread

>>96024611
>Zoomers thinking their hellscape is normal and it always was like that
There are times where I almost pity your generation.
Almost

>>96021049 (OP)
>but in especially it is tone-deaf to given this same issue
learn to write

>>96021241
>There are so many TTRPGs on the market post-OGL
you need to be 18 or older to post here, kiddo

>>96024611
There were periods of higher tension between groups. But it wasn't everybody's problem. Count Dante taught karate to black people and got kicked from the US karate association for that, a couple years after The Last Dragon goes to cinemas and no one pickets or anything against the black dude doing karate because normal people didn't care. Black Panthers went around with guns they probably never trained using, normal people didn't care. You didn't have to care about every little thing that might be in your interest, you didn't need to know some random somewhere made a game that you don't want to play and is misstreating people who might at some point want to make extra content for this thing that barely exists. There were hundreds of systems in the 90's that no one tried because they were shit and it wasn't our problem.

>>96025965
>Black Panthers went around with guns they probably never trained using
Yes, at a time where using basic longarms was a life skill and consistent armed conflict that drafted men in, they had no idea how to use firearms.

>>96026004
they didn't live in hunting areas, the panthers existed post-draft, and US soldiers weren't trained for urban warfare until the 21th century. They were probably a danger to themselves and others. But some rando in Okalhoma had no take on the topic because it had nothing to do with him, he didn't rage about it, he didn't get into arguments with his family on christmas over it.
In the same way most Buffy fans never heard of the official Buffy ttrpg. Much less The Lawnmower Man's official ttrpg. Or Skyrealms of Jorune, Urban Arcana, Nexus, and so on. You don't need to care, you get nothing for caring.

>>96021090
Puckee needs to buy an ad too

>>96026133
>But some rando in Okalhoma had no take on the topic because it had nothing to do with him, he didn't rage about it, he didn't get into arguments with his family on christmas over it.

Lol you have a weird idea of what the 60s were like.

>>96024611
Back in the days, Granny had to buy a right-wing newspaper and join a right-wing church to get scammed. And you could always point out that the John Birch Society is a buncha kooks.

Nowadays, they have bots do it by her smart phone.

>>96021049 (OP)
>Why aren't you talking about this?
Daggerheart is a dead game that nobody who likes games actually plays.

>>96026447
>dead game
?

>>96021049 (OP)
>Game I don't play
>Made by people I don't know
>Has 3rd party licensing problems
>That only affect parasites
Pick a game. Play it. Write adventures.

Who fucking cares if unemployed hucksters can't eek out rent money writing shitty-ass fan-fiction I'll never buy?

>>96025169
>Zoomers thinking their hellscape is normal and it always was like that
>Zoomers
>balkanization
>Zoomers

You illiterate inbred motherfucker.

>>96021049 (OP)
What scandal?

It's a new game. It's some cogfop supernatural thing. It's not D&D. The reason people got asshurt about the OGL because it was taking something away. They were happy to get fucked by the DM Guild publishing. royalties, and IP policies.

The openness of your licensing system is basically irrelevant for indy games in practice. Mothership was not open for the longest time, with all rights reserved to Sean McCoy. It got a shit ton of 3rd party support.

>>96026724
Sure, it’s very popular and everyone loves it. I’m personally running three campaigns for three groups.

What is Shadowheart?

>>96027588
Mothership's rule is that you have to send them a copy and they'll decide. I haven't seen them reject anything, I'm pretty sure they only check it's not some manifiesto or poorly veiled death threat to specific people.

>>96021057
Fpbp

>>96021049 (OP)
It's pretty funny that they got famous streaming D&D and when they launched their own game they made absolutely sure to legally pull up the ladder so nobody else could repeat the act.

Like I would love to see the contortions in the fanbase that paint them as anything other than corporate sloppers after that.

Catching up on the thread it's also pretty funny that about 50% of /tg/ seems to have sustained so much psychic damage from critical role that the mere mention of it causes them to close their eyes put their fingers in their ears and scream DON'T CARE DON'T CARE like a little kid.

>>96028016
This wasn't the first game they made, though. Their first attempt at TTRPGs was Candela Obscura. A game that had even more shilling from Roll20 and the Blueskies than Daggerheart.

>>96027794
I think that's a Baldur's gate 3 character

>>96028042
That one was just blades in the dark with the numbers filed off, right?

>>96028063
Yes, and it was even more inoffensive in terms of the faggotry than Daggerheart. It had the usual Pronouns stuff, but otherwise it was just a shitty Blades in the Dark ripoff.

>DP has said they have heard the community's concerns and suggested there will be changes when they release a Homebrewing Kit for Daggerheart
Fucking lol
>maybe we'll change this if you buy more shit from us

>>96028040
>Things that never happened, but I really, really wish they do
You really are desperate, OP

>>96021049 (OP)
Who gives a fuck? And what is a mile anyway?

>>96026155
Puckee spends all the money on shitty AI-gen and AI-assisted commissions. No money left for ads

>>96028050
Oh ok, makes sense.