The Midnight Aristocracy Edition

Resources:
WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwh
WM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgeba
WFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6
Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H
>Warhammer Chronicles:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip
>Time of Legends:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip
>The End Times:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip
>TOW:
https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXS
https://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/
>Alternative Models:
https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL
>FAQ/Errata
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/wgp83jlw/old-world-faq-and-errata-designers-notes/

>Previous Thread:
>>96013032

>Thread Question:
What are some of your favourite Warhammer fantasy army book covers?

First for ze Lady

Do bretonians have any figures like blue beard or De sade?

>>96022151
Do you want one?

>>96022158
This sounds ominous

Newfag here today. Had my first teaching game today from a local wfb player. I’m not sure if he was really quite equipped with the knowledge because he had to look stuff up a lot.
Most of the principles from 40k carried over. I read all the warcom pdfs and watched many batreps. The main things that confused me were:
>to hit tables
>to wound tables (mostly same as 40k)
>battle resolution
>the insane amount of special keywords on each unit
Oh and where are the stats for this weapon? Why not just put them in the unit card? Why must i reference a whole other book just to find out the AP of a weapon?

Another issue was not understanding why you should even interect with infantry at all. Why not just walk around them and them and never charge? One unit of men at arms wiped out a giant who charged into them.

Whats even the point of ranged units? Since the charge phase happens before the shooting phase, you cant widdle down a unit if its not engaged, and it seems that just about everything hits and wounds on fuckin 5’s and 6’s?

Overall not entirely sure if i enjoy the game that much but maybe just wasnt the best scenario. Still want to paint my cathay dudes regardless

>>96022161
Asking if there's a de sade sounds ominous.

Happy New Year from Cathay.
A year and a half late, but hey,
better late than never.

>>96022172
The weapon profiles are your unit profiles for hand weapons. Then there are generic weapon types that most units are equipped with that modify the way the weapon works relative to the wielder. All great weapons add 2 strength and make their user initiative one. All halberds add +1 str to the user. All spears allow wielders to fight in an extra rank. It’s far less to memorize than in 40K and it’s more realistic in that you’re using the profile of the weapon wielder and modifying it based on what they are armed with, vs using a weapon profile that is detached from the user.

That’s one thing I hate about modern 40k. Why in close combat do I hit the same amount of times against a grot as I do against a primarch? Obviously one is far more skilled in combat than the other, but this isn’t modelled at all in to hit rolls. It’s very gamified. Something that doesn’t happen in Warhammer Fantasy.

>>96022218
Why are they bros? Why would Gelt return the Chinese lands?

>>96022172
With the tables just look them up. Hit is double plus 1, greater than, equal or less, and less than half for 2-6+ to hit. Wound is basically just +2, +1, equal, -1, -2.
Weapons are in the core rulebook because largely the weapons are identical across armies.
Monsters are more useful against cav or support now.
Some ranged is useful, the game is just melee focused for the most part.

>>96022172
>to hit tables
if your WS is lower than your opponent, you're hitting on 5s, if his WS is double +1 yours, you're hitting on 6s. If you can't memorize that, just consult the chart. It takes two seconds once you know what you're doing.
>combat resolution
You'll learn how to do this automatically the more you play. It takes time.
>keywords
Read the rulebook. You'll have them memorized within 3 games. If not, use the index so you can find them quickly. If you can understand what lethal hits or twin linked do in 40k, you can understand what frenzy does.
>weapon stats
See above, but these are even easier to memorize.
>infantry
Because you need to kill them to secure victory points. Charge them in their flank or rear and they will die. Don't go full retard with a giant and charge a unit in its front. You're playing a rank and flank game.
>ranged units
They exist to shoot at things and kill them. Yes, you can whittle down a unit, that's what stand and shoot is for. Yes, it's hard to kill things with individual shots - that's what volley fire is for. You're going to be getting a lot of shots in over the course of the entire game and your opponent won't be able to do anything about it. Shooting is very strong. Remember, you're not playing 40k.
>cathay
Yeah, it was your first game, what did you expect? You'll learn the system as you play more. Paint your models first.

The next DLC for Total War Warhammer 3, "The Small Giants of the Empire," will be released on April 1, 3026.

What a wonderful view, the Empire is by far the best place to live in the Old World.

>>96022225
Equal but not half your opponent is 4's

>>96022267
All the more reason to consult the chart. Print it out and refer to it when necessary. Given time, you'll memorize it.

The Great and Majestic City of ALTDORF, Capital of the EMPIRE, with more than one million inhabitants, is the largest and most populated city in the Old World and possibly in the entire world.

Collecting Space Marines and then Ogres, how small the Cathay models are is pretty surprising. Don’t know how I’ll paint any detail on the faces lmao.

>>96022293
You’re never gonna get me to care about any particular city in fantasy, even the gortrek and Felix books couldn’t do that for me.

>>96022293
Post this in sloppa not here.

Malekith, Supreme King of the Druchii unleashed his full power against the hordes of chaos.

>>96022341
I may be wrong but the title did not say "WARHAMMER FANTASY GENERAL".

>>96022382
Yes, notably not sloppa general.

>>96022293
Eh, en verdad mano yo prefiero Marienburgo. Y dudo que este mas habitada que Nan Gao.

meanwhile in an alternate universe.

Gothic comes to Naggaroth and it's fabulous.

What the actual fuck happened to these threads recently? It hasn't been this bad in years.

>>96021994 (OP)
6th edition VC is one of my favorite army books. So kino.

>>96022470
Are these the fabled drag queens
>>96022491
Secondaries

>>96022491
AoS dying/drying has all the flighty types flocking to us (we are technically the "new thing") while secondaries have both Cathay to doompost and a new c7 book to doompost/race bait about. Coupled with it being summer meaning less games for most of us, it's making these threads shittier than usual.

>>96022491
scizophrenics that don't see the reality of how the game is actually played in LGSs and get upset that reality isn't a white dwarf article, the same type of fags that also think AoS is a massive boogeyman and not just an irrelevant sidegame like us

Yesterday, Korgpth's Blood Raiders encountered a sinister Vampire Counts army. We played Break Point at 1k.

This battle was more or less decided by our cavalry. After making an absurd deployment error, the Undead gradually ground down the Chaos army with a huge Grave Guard unit.

First to fall were the Hounds, then Marauders followed by the Warriors and Ogres. A brief moment occurred where the Necromancer general nearly fell to a Khorne Warrior but was saved by his ward.

Korgoth received a full charge of a unit of Blood Knights and a Thrall. After challenging and slaying his way through most of the unit, even butchering the Thrall in glorious combat, he realised that his entire army had been annihilated and quit the field. The Chaos army had reached its break point.

The Vampires were victorious but Korgoth lived to fight another day!

>>96022611
I've enjoyed korgoths Saturday morning cartoon villain levels of escaping to fight another battle, keep em comming anon!

The second battle involved Korgoth's Blood Raiders and a warband of Ogres! Another 1k point battle, this time playing The Dark Monolith Narrative scenario.

The Chaos Ogres were butchered in the second turn by the Ogre Bruiser and his Irongut unit after a bait attempt went horribly wrong.

Korgoth then lead a ddvastating counter charge, challenging and severely wounding the Ogre general. The Knights tore a bloody swathe through the Iron Guts and ran them down but overran off the board!

However, the Chaos flank was completely wiped out by a trio of Mournfang cavalry and when Korgoth returned to the field with his loyal chosen, the chaos army had been annihilated. But it was not over...

I'm just getting into this recently (y'all might have seen my dark brown/red beastmen posts)

How does this game play at 500 pts? What about 750?

>>96022700
Obviously very different at 25% the size of a "normal" game, as you suspect

>>96022669
A sense of doubt momentarily spread over the Chaos Knights but Korgoth, with a mighty battlecry, restored their bloodlust and they charged into the bull unit lead by an ogre butcher residing at the base of the Monolith.

The charge was a slaughter, inflicting 11 wounds on the ogres and receiving only a single casualty, the Ogre's broke and were annihilated by Korgoth and his chosen.

All that remained were the titanic trio of mournfang cavalry and Korgoth and 4 Chosen. Shaking the field with their titanic mounts, the Mournfang thundered into the chosen knights to devastating effect.

For a third time Korgoth called a challenge and once more a duel began. Wounds were traded on both sides but the Chosen held. Korgoth's Armour of the Damned, making him impedvious to this point, waa dented and let a wound through.

After winning the combat and charging from the FBIGO, the Mournfang lost their standard and Champion and this time broke, Korgoth and one last chosen knight pursuing.

The game ended at this point, Chaos winning at a ddvastating cost!

>>96022654
Thanks anon. I have decided Korgoth is essentially a mad champion who warriors follow to their invariable doom. They follow him in the hopes of finding glory as legends say of this wandering champion who seeks the mightiest foes and those who survive become awesome in power. What they don't realise though, is he tends to be the only survivor as the battles he ends up in are a death wish.

>>96022700
500 points can be decent with Seize the Tower restrictions or a 25% point cap of units.

That said, having played both, it is quick but enjoyable. 500 especially lends itself to a more relaxed play but armies can rapidly be destroyed.

>>96022700
i do quite a bit 750/1k pts with beastmen at times, usually you can afford a few small sized units or 1 big one and a bit of chaff and then 1, maybe2 heros. Its solid enough for learning but really limits how much combos or magic items you can bring as well as making core very important (luckily our core is great) since you cant spam it as easily yet have to bring 125/187 pts worth, so having a core tax really hurts in smaller games if your core is shit

Post models

Thought I saw people saying somewhere that you can now use regen against wounds lost by unstable models to lost combats, is this true?

>>96022716
To give a brief summary, Mournfang cavalry are crazy! Wrapped up my entire left flank like nothing. First time I've seen a unit live up to its appearance in warhammer.

I was also struck by an image when Korgoth and the Chosen returned from the pursuit back to the field to only Ogres as with Theoden at Pellanor Field before the charge, exceot obviously an evil version.

Armour of the Damned is also crazy underrated. Forcing rerolls to hit of the enemy was stupid good at reducing damage that, between three challenges, Korgoth received 1 wound. Hell, the first duel it turned 3/4 hits to zero.

Also, despite challenges suffering from gameyness, I really enjoyed challenging over and over. My opponents even got into it, though after the Bruiser general died he chose to receive it with a champion next time!

The Blood Knight unit always being challenged and forced to receive it in the first game was funny too, a qeue of vampires facing my general only to perish!

TOW is definitely more fun than I could have imagined, already having memorable moments like the Mournfang and Chosen Knight clash. Hope to play more soon.

>>96022743
In a weird, roundabout way, yes.

>>96022731
Kino. They look like border prince brigands

>>96022746
Glad you enjoyed your game so much. It looks like it was a ton of fun. And I completely second you on how much fun fantasy is.

>>96022731
When the pic is small, they look like Kislevite hussars to me

>>96022731

>>96022731
Too busy with work to get much new painting done, so have some of my old TK shit.

is the narrative of settra invading the border prince regions still ongoing?

>>96022854
>narrative
>tow

Why is the green knight green, is it because of warpstone?

>>96022854
>narrative
lmao
>>96022894
Because it looks cool.

>>96022894
everyone called him green so he dyed all his gear accordingly.

>>96022894
because he is based on the green knight from literature and GW is kinda lazy with their world building for fantasy.

>>96022894
ever wondered why there is no green super snetai?

>>96022909
i doubt it there was no green knight in witcher

>>96022919
With this board I can’t tell if this is a shitpost

>>96022919
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Gawain_and_the_Green_Knight

>>96022919
Come to think of it there was no green knight in a game of thrones or the prequel

>>96022854
settra won and now occupies the entirety of brettonia

Someone said Green Knight.

>>96022922
>He explains that the entire adventure was a trick of the unnamed "elderly lady" Gawain saw at the castle, who is the sorceress Morgan le Fay
Reminds me of Morgiana le Fay, but that has to be a coincidence, right?

>>96022944
based. empire next

>>96022954
What’s this Aos/40k design

>>96022967
Empire, you mean this Empire right?

>>96022731
Almost finished my tzaanbull conversion, he has 2 heads and 3 magnetized interchangeable arms. He can wield a flail instead of a mace and a horn instead of a staff.

To the right of it there is a flame that will come from the disk on which he will hover.

>>96023011
Another side.

>>96022992
yeah, the empire located next to bretonia.

>>96023011
>>96023014
man that disc must be tired

>>96022913
but the green ranger rides a mecha godzilla

>>96022386
The art was made by a real person, so it's not qualified to put in the Sloppa thread.

THE GREAT AND MYTHICAL CARNIVAL OF CHAQUA.
TYRION AND ORION LOVE IT VERY MUCH, ESPECIALLY THIS LAST ONE

>>96022218
>>96022364
>>96022454
>>96022470
>>96023105
fuck off

Thoughts?

>>96023118
Nagash's suffering.

>>96022794
Thanks anon, hope you enjoyed reading.

>>96023115
no bad words bro, I'm not uploading anymore.

>>96022849
Fvcking sovl. Lovely scheme

>>96023128
I liked your comics. Just some anon randomly lashing out.

>>96022854
>still ongoing
He probably had a pyrrhic as fuck victory at Matorea and then retreated, we don't know the canon outcome of the battle. Also Sir Cecil Gastonne is still alive either way.

>>96023118
It's a good start but I'd try to get some more highlights on that green and red contrast. Like a soft drybrush to blend things together.

>>96023143
He's a scary skely man, with an army of undead skeletons. I don't think phyrric losses matter much in that context.

>>96023128
I liked your comics too, keep going, fren

>>96023173
>fren
Stop that.

>>96022894
>green heraldry was generally not a thing in historical armorials outside of a few examples and thus is not a thing for Bretonnians
>green is the "fey color" in Bretonnian lore or something similar
>the Green Knight is the foremost fey being in Bretonnia
Makes sense to me.
>>96023152
If enough of his scary skely priests are "killed", his army is immediately fucked and he has to retreat or potentially suffer massive permadeath losses if he hasn't already. Tomb Kings don't get to replenish their numbers with fresh bodies like VC do, if one of their boney lads gets obliterated while he's down he's just gone for good. Every time Settra leaves the Land of the Dead, he does so with a (slightly) smaller army, otherwise TKs would easily btfo the setting in a nonstop no-sleep blitzkrieg.

>>96023182
I refuse

>>96022470
>>96023105
Can you make more Morathi smut and less gay comics please

Anyone who says "fren" is a manchild with no actual friends irl

>>96023201
second this, please focus on adult women like a normal person

>>96022956
Don't ask question

>>96023105
Who is the white haired elf ?

>>96022293
Do you have the Middenheim and Salzenmund bits of art?

>>96023203
And ?

>>96023203
Kys fren

>>96023203
This.
Grow up like a true friendless manchild and just suffer in silence like the genetic dead end you are.

>>96022731
I found out that the reason I have gaps in all but one of my silverhelms is that the number pairs are not actually optional.

>>96023227
>>96023203
You need to take a break from online man. You're miserable. Just lashing out at random.

>>96023258
Such is life. Always has been.

Some progress on my burgeoning skaven clan. Blown away by the globadier kit, what a time to be a rat.

>>96023309
inb4 anons who hate wood

>>96023359
>things that happened yesterday

>>96023359
>>96023309
Seriously, get real plastic bases

>>96023387
>Missing out on the smell of freshly cut MDF Never

>>96023387
>Missing out on the smell of freshly cut MDF

Never

>>96023187
Man the king of portugal has shit taste!
Also, who does the one with golden axes on a black background belong to ? Never seen that before. Denmark ?

>>96022341
You can be confident or ignorant, but not both.

>>96023258
>disapproving of the word "fren" means you spend all your free time online
What a retarded equivalence. I have an actual life outside of 4chan, with real friends. Maybe that's why I don't feel obligated to call anonymous strangers on the internet "fren" while posting cartoon frogs. The irony is that you're the one who spend less time online.

>>96023527
>who should spend less time*
enjoy your day

>>96023531
No, I refuse.

>>96023527
Struck a nerve there. Spend more time with your friends, you're in a bad way mentally.

>>96023362
i think techically it was today
>>96023387
nope my supply is unlimited and basically free

Where the fuck is Kul

>>96023579
ETA 2 years. Gonna take a while to get there.

I hate my LGS sometimes
>caters almost entirely to 40k
>because of this, almost all their terrain and boards are for 40k
>luckily I know theres a 6x4 grass mat sitting unloved in a corner
>organize game with opponent, LGS knows we're coming etc
>LGS only has space for 3 games at a time
>arrive, LGS has already set up 2 40k boards because they don't know what terrain i'll need
>guy goes to get out the shitty AoS spearhead boards (the ones with the objective markers printed on) because they're the only boards left
>tell him its fine as i grab the grass mat from the corner
>because its 6x4 it takes up more space
>this makes the 40k boards have less space around the sides off the board for say, objective cards or models
>guy complains about this, says I shouldve told him I needed more space etc despite never asking about the board we need
>play game
>only 1 40k game happens as no one else organized a game so why did the guy set up 2 boards to begin with, its not even normal game night times

i'm not playing on a shit board.

>>96023579
More importantly, where is Deathsword?

>>96021994 (OP)
This one (>>96023613)

>>96023613
In the background, he's either manipulating or given orders to the new OC GW created for the WoC AJ

feel free to correct me if im wrong but TOW goes by end times rules so every old named character is dead and cannot be revived unless they pull some primaris card from their sleeve in the next edition after every olden army has gotten their books hopefully

im not a big lore guy but didnt wood elves get their original named characters unlike everyone else or am i thinking about total war

>>96023653
they got orion and araloth so....yes?

orion kinda always exists, no real excuse for araloth though other than "he has a plastic model"

>>96023653
I'm not sure what you mean, ToW takes place hundreds of years before 8th and the End Times.
This different timeframe means some characters like Gelt or Franz are not born yet, but elven characters who have much longer lifespans like Araloth or Orion (since he reincarnates) are around.
Tyrion and Teclis are also around, but they chose not to focus on them yet and to focus on other characters.

MetaFriends, what are the new auto includes for High Elves and Empire after the FAQ? Are State Troops with Halberds and shields good now?

>>96023657
elves just live a long time, even compared to dwarfs, so I could see some justification for Araloth being around being important, but he got rules simply due to him having a rather modern plastic kit compared to the other WE characters

>>96023653
I just miss Queek Headtaker and Dwarf gouger. I miss issuing challenges to dwarf players only for them to piss and shit themselves and make the cuck walk to the back rank.

>>96023666
>Tyrion and Teclis are also around
their also basically teenagers who haven't done anything important yet, since Malakith has not invaded Ulthuan, so it wouldn't make much sense for them to be traipsing around TOW until after that.

>>96023672
Dragons.
Infantry is still dogshit.

I don't think fishmen should be a faction
I don't think vampirates should be a faction
But I think a faction that contains both eldritch fishmen and undead pirates would make sense

>>96023657
>>96023666
>>96023683
ohh right so TOW is kinda prequel that makes more sense
that leaves plenty of room to grow and do basically anything they want then
thank you

>>96023685
teenagers that have banished a greater daemon

I'll celebrate the first anniversary of my Mark of Chaos-inspired skaven army project with a few group pics.

>>96023798
Also known as the monkeyrat horde

>>96023807

>>96023697
fimir already thematically fit the asshole watery creature spot and they should be apart of beastmen rather than their own army

>>96023798
>>96023807
i like your monkeys anon
also mark of chaos is still the best license game till this day

>>96023817

>>96023825

>>96023834

>>96023821
fimir are more draconic than fishy, and not only they're chaos, but also freshwater, I just don't see them filling the spot of proper fishmen.
meanwhile, if we connect fishmen to a form of undeath, we can run to hell and back with the quote "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die" and on top of that we can play around with all the designs from pirates of the carribbean and have the vampirates not feel too snowflakey, since they'd be under this weird other power.

>>96023844
i remember when i bought mordheim boxed set when it came out and had no idea how to paint skaven skin or make it look good
as it turns out minimalist approach was always the best and most efficient

>>96023798
Kino.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rmc5WJ-FQw&list

It's over bros, TOW is not selling

>>96023798
Man, I love that cannon, I don't get how people can prefer the new one.

>>96023798
>>96023807
>>96023817

Mark of chaos is literally the reason why I'm making my all 6th skaven army. Godspeed anon

>>96023929
Forgot to add this. Criticism welcome, my shaky ass hands tried their best here lol.

>>96023929
Which the clanrats looked more famished and threatening like they do in the game.

>>96023943
*wish

>>96023943
Skaven voice lines from that game live rent free in my head. Every time I buy a skaven mini or paint one I always say "the under empire growsss" to my self like an idiot lol

>>96023942
Is the red meant to be gore? It's a bit of an odd choice for fur or skin. Otherwise I'd suggest going back with your base colour to fix the splotches here and there and using a pair of tweezers to remove the hair or dust that gets stuck in the paint.

>>96023798
>>96023929
>>96023943
I don't get how or why the 6ed clanrats specifically are required for a "mark of chaos" army, but it's somewhat comforting to see people appreciate what were quite misbegotten sculpts once.

>>96023943
The new AoS ones do look more like this

They have narrower snouts and look more sinister and less plump

>>96023958
Thanks. For the sake of consistency I guess. Modern skaven would look out of place next to the rest of the old models.
>>96023965
Got a bunch of them for cheap which I'll add to my modern slave army.

>>96023956
The pinkish red on the tail and hands is supposed to be sunburnt flesh. I'm going to base them with sand. Specifically I had these guys fluffed as a skryre sponsored expedition to the dead lands to investigate a recent warpstone meteor landing there. Though I do think I might have picked too dark of a color.

>>96023958
Mark of chaos skaven are supposed to be late 6th skaven, so to me I just decided to make a 6th era army

>>96023999
Why not use bugman's glow?

>State troop core of Spears with shields
>Detachment of Halberds for the flank charging with the extra AP
Thoughts?

>>96024013
Because
1. I don't own it
2. I thought something pinker would better illustrate what I'm going for
And 3. I'm retarded

How do you suggest I rectify this without stripping the entire mini?

>>96023798
Absolutely mint. Skaven players seem to have a certain spectacle to their collections. Like Greenskin players, love of the army than the game.

>MoC inspired

Nice. Skaven had the perfect voices there. I played recently, it's a decent game and very fun. Prefer Shadow of the Horned Rat, but its a million times harder

>>96023653
They'll do a horus heresy 3.0 for next edition.

>>96024019
>>State troop core of Spears with shields
do you think a few more s3 attacks are going to add more points to combat resolution purposes, than an extra point of armor is going to save?

>>96024023
You can paint over the fleshy parts. They're pretty exposed so it's not like you have reach into nooks and crannies.
As general advise if you make mistakes or overspill you can go back and forth between colors and make smaller and smaller corrections until the mini is clean.

>>96024023
Oh, another thing, the gold-bronze of the warpfire thrower doesn't contrast a lot with the brown fur, the wood and the yellow cloth. Could be the lighting but you might want to try a different metallic colour like iron.

>>96022151
Yes, the Mousillon splat for WFRP goes into some detail about a few examples. There absolutely are maniacal bret serial killers.

>>96024053
It isn't perfect but I think it looks a little better

>>96024041
No I mean using both together, good idea or dumb?

>>96022969
It's peak perryslop

>>96024225
well that is how they have been used until now
only now both are buffed

>>96024212
It does. Not sure if intentional but the pink parts look like skin that has peeled off.

>>96023683
>I miss issuing challenges to dwarf players only for them to piss and shit themselves and make the cuck walk to the back rank.
Holy based.

any rumors on what is going to be announced for old world on july 18th?

>>96024478
dogs of war

>>96024478
Dogs of War, but we don't really have any idea what this could mean

>>96024478
Just a narrative campaign

>>96023387
ew, gross. this anon uses stock bases.
probably buys nuGW models too.

What can you tell me about Moonclaw? I know there's not much actually written about him, but apparently he was the thing that landed in the Barren Hills along with the warp stone? What is his actual connection with Morralieb?

>>96024514
>What is his actual connection with Morrslieb?
he's from there, obviously. dude hatched out of a meteor like the blob.

>>96024514
The slann kinda caused him

>>96024542

>>96024553
Does Morrslieb have some kind of agency or intelligence of its own? Why is it a Beastman it creates instead of anything else?

>>96024511
I only use citadel bases. The other brands have a different grain and weirdly angled rims.
I also only use authentic citadel models. Only exception are 3rd party sculpts made by former veteran employees and that's on a case by case basis.

>>96024570
>Does Morrslieb have some kind of agency or intelligence of its own?
Maybe it's ambiguous.

>>96024570
>Does Morrslieb have some kind of agency or intelligence of its own?
It's not really intelligent, but it's genuinely malicious, there's a subtle difference.

>Why is it a Beastman it creates instead of anything else?
A beastman is just a catchall terms for any living humanoid creature mutated by chaos, warpstone is mutagenic, if it creates a living agent on earth it's going to be a mutant.

But yes, we all agree that the way beastmen are all depicted as goats is lame and some variety would be glad.

so in 2-3months cathay will be updated with rest of the model range and everyone has to buy the armybook again or will it be digital release

>>96024719
the only new model will be miao ying and the second AJ is like the AJ for the other factions and includes armies of infamy for cathay.

Funny you post that image OP as I got this in the post today. 6th Ed army books were just the best. I feel kinda sad reading them to be honest.
>take me back

>>96024774
Don't feel sad that the time has passed, feel happy you can still revisit it.

Also the fairy art still looks gnarly to me to this day. Bloody Necrarch.

>>96024542
>old frog preforms ritual dance and screams at moon

>>96024514
Trying to figure out how to kitbash him as a model. Was thinking of using a chimera as a base, but it might just be way too big.

Does Old World have an instant death rule that triggers when the strength of the attack is double the targets toughness?

>>96025185
No. Go back to 40gay or HomoHeresy or wherever the fuck you crawl from.
You are NOT wanted here

>>96025185
6-8th editions had that rule if i remember right
atleast chariots insta died if attack strength was double their toughness

>>96024677
The books are clear that they aren't allowed goats and rams, if you are too much of a hobbylet to convert your beasts that's on you

>>96024738
I’m surprised they didn’t lead with Miao Ying, though I suppose they’re gauging demand.

>>96025220
Ok thanks. So I guess I dont really have to worry about my wizards rolling a miscast if they can survive a strength 10 hit.

>>96024573

Where exactly can I buy GW 20mm bases? I'm basing for legacy compatibility but I'm starting to run out of 20mms and it's a real struggle to find more with exactly the dimensions of GW (Other than some guy overcharging massively on eBay)

>>96025286
My flgs has a bucket of 20m squares they sell for 20 cents each,
You can also just buy them from geedubs/local game store

>>96025220
Chariots died to S7.
Nothing else had any sort of ID rule

>>96025286
Just go on Amazon or eBay you can get hundreds for pennies on the dollar
> Buy GW bases
Only if you have severe mental retardation

>>96025286
>Buying GW bases

lol why, just get GSW bases, they're like 75% cheaper and even have slots for magnets

>>96025322
This. If models are based properly its hard to tell the difference

>>96025232
>if you are too much of a hobbylet to convert your beasts that's on you
I don't play beastmen, I play against beastmen, if I could convert my opponents' armies I would, but literally not a single one of the beastmen players I've ever met converted non-goat beastmen, and not even out of a preference for goats either.

>>96025316
A friend convinced me to play 6th with my Skaven and said the screaming bell is insane and I need to run it
He brought cannons and just assassinated it turn 1
Kind of soured wanting to play it again so I'm glad that didn't make it into TOW

>>96025372
>cannons
unironically the biggest problem warhammer fantasy has ever had, and cannonfags will defend their game breaking bullshit teeth and nails.

>>96025372
your friend sounds like a bit of a dickhead

>>96025393
This ten times over. And now these same people are crying that they cannot kill dragons with cannons in ToW.

>>96025398
i once oneshot my friends brand new second hand ebay tomb king army hierophant and he packed it up and left, then put it on sale that same day

>>96025467
>he packed it up and left
based
>then put it on sale that same day
cringe

Just got this captive villager mini, going to add it as either decoration for my army or maybe even as an objective during a game.
Would be fun to do a narrative game where
I fight against empire or something that needs to stop some dark ritual by a herdstone and rescue the prisoner.

>>96025482
true story too, he never read the army rules and had no idea they would start to crumble away
dude just thought they looked really cool

>>96025393
Yeah while dragonlords are annoying (as a non tourneyfag my exposure is limited thankfully) it's still more dynamic than this one enpire dick head I remember who would bring max cannons and gunners and corner camp all game sniping shit left and right
Same guy once bitched about 7th ed beastmen ambush, yes THAT ambush rules, becsuse I rolled a 6 to place on a 15 man gor herd that ended up killing 1 cannon and panicking some gunners off the table. Salty tears season manflesh so well.

>>96025484
In order to maximise its use I'd put her on top of a sacrificial altar on a chariot, so you can use it as baggage cart, as unit filler and more.

>>96025467
how did you manage that?

Should I try to put the new clanrats on 20mm bases to fit the rest of the army or give up and move them to 25mm?

>>96013088
>>96021994 (OP)
Why does this keep getting sold out in North America? Right when I finally got my paycheck!

>>96023798
Lovely rattos anon! The council approves!

I still need to get that 6th ed screaming bell.

HellBlarsta

>>96025954
Lovely zombie skin on Nurglitch. The bright purple tails are also a nice splash of color.

>>96025958
anon, what paints did you use for the cream/offwhite sections of your Reikland models?

>>96025895
>be American
>live paycheck to paycheck
>spend said paycheck on Chinese plastic
Many such cases.

>>96025994
Just used Wraithbone primer spray to undercoat the whole model. Then painted and washed the other colours, then used GW Wraithbone layer pot to brush over any mistakes on the off-white. Tried to keep it as easy as possible as there's a lot of off-white to do.

>Cathay had a big civil war between all the dragon kiddos that was only solved because Daddy showed back up, have not been fleshed out entirely, what funny issues do the Dragon siblings not aware of/don't give a shit tied to that that permeate normal life?
>Shugengan nobles form the apparent backbone of Cathayan human society/form what could be called normal high society, how do they work? How can they be 'your dudes'-ified, will we not have middling dragon-blooded noble dynasties fleshed out for our wuxia pleasure?
>How does the Celestial Court function?
>In-universe alternative schema for how Yin-Yang beliefs mix with Cathay's limited state atheism+ground presence of chaos cultism.
>Jade Vampires, how do they work?
>Is the current province setup of Cathay the original one, or do the internal borders/regional layout get rearranged every time one of the Dragon siblings croak?
>Ogres, beastmen, illicit magic users, elves, other men, possibly others; there's obvious limits to the Daddy-centered morality of Cathay, as each of the dragon siblings are willing to make their own decisions and choices about how they interact with certain outside factions, and that probably has a trickle-down effect socially. What's the default reaction to seeing a Ogre in the south of the country as opposed to the north, ect

>>96025748
Sadly I don't have a chariot just yet, so I think I'll stick this one to a base and if I get more captive villagers I can place them on altars and the link in the future, all good ideas though.

Why doesn't WARHAMMER(tm) use d20?

>>96026197
beouce d6 are more commen and d100s are superior to d20s

>>96026197
I prefer d10s myself.

>>96025320
>>96025322

I would rather not use those because they are too different to the GW ones I have. GSW bases are rounded. Replacements dont have to be GW branded, I dont give a shit about that, but I do want them to actually look the same.

>>96026263
I bought a bunch of 25mm bases meant for train scenery and sets and legit it's almost the exact same. I'll see if I can find some pics to compare

>>96026197
Because rolling 140 D20s for an Ork shooting attack just isn't practical.

>>96026197
you needed a lot of d6's to play and they were the most common type of dice.

>>96026524
I own ~30 D20s from being an infinity player and I can safely say there's no difficulty whatsoever rolling 20-30 of them at a time.

There's no situation where a unit should be designed to need to roll 140 dice. And if you want to field some turbo-retardation 30x10 squad of orcs just-because you can do batch rolling or a dice-app. It's not like 140 d6 can even literally be rolled on a table with terrain or a dice-tray for the current game anyway.

>>96026215
There's no such thing as a d100, so fuck off. It's impossible to even shoot 2 guns on d100 system, you throw 4 dice down and there's no indication if it's 20+9 / 60+3 or if 20+3 / 60+9 was rolled. This renders D100 entirely worthless for every wargame, only being usable for D&D cocksuckers where units are 1 no-life attempting to see if his attempt to stroke the balls fails or not.

D20 is the only good mass-rollable dice that exists.

>>96026697
>There's no such thing as a d100
Au contraire!

>>96026697
a D6 offers every probability you need on a dice, if anything GW goes overboard with 2D6 on Leadership etc while not differentiating stats enough to make the most of a single D6.

>>96026664
Yeah either you have tinyd20, completely ignorant on how rolling 30 d20 at once would be, or are being a contrarian
>inb4 some retarded claim
No one in infiniti is rolling 20+ dice at once multiple times every game. Or even 10

>>96023118
>>96023145
Second this. What i like to do with slap chop is do a light white drybrush on top and then a final coat of a lighter shade this really helps add some depth

I’m going to hold off buying Cathay until the reveal show. If they tease Kislev even a little I’ll wait for that. If not I’ll assume it’s not coming this year and I’m clear to start a new army.

>>96026721
such a silly dice

>>96026996
*die.
Dice is the plural. Yes I am being pedantic, I had to learn this stupid language.

>go to a LGS that’s known more for cards amd not minis
>they had Cathay’s Arcane Journal still
Happy about that find. I feel like this store has something against AoS though with how shelf space is distributed.

>>96027020
>I feel like this store has basic humanity
Meanwhile I'm on the hunt for the nice dice.

>>96027007
your correct, I should have used Die instead

>>96026930
Kislav isn't coming this year or this edition

>find some video of a tournament
>one of the bret players use, I shit you not, despicable me minis as proxies

It's pretty funny but I mean how is this allowed?

>>96027109
>kiss slav
Maybe I should have done that when she came on to me, but maybe that's just cope. I doubt she was actually doing that and it was likely just trying to get money out of me.

>>96027109
it will come this edition. GW has already done all the wor,k and they have a section in the core rulebook like Cathay and Dogs of War, so it's not unlikely.

>>96027109
Let me guess. Revealed to you in a dream?

>>96027169
Dogs of War is like perfect to bring back all those great sculpts and even make new ones.
It could even be like Fantasy's version of warcry warbands, only not sculpted by cretins.
>here's some crazy goblins with muskets that are liable to kill themselves
>Southlander fanatical warriors
>Kar'mel the genie and her master
>Imperial pikemen
Etc.

>>96027343
>Mordheim 2.0
>Warbands can also be taken as mercenaries by appropriate factions

>>96027349
I really don't want GW touching specialist games like Mordheim or God forbid Warmaster. They already fucked up Necromunda and killed Epic. That Blood Bowl survived is a testament to its strong community.

>>96027356
GW just nicked all the community's rules and just released some new plastic minis now and again and called it a day.

>>96027362
Wouldn't be a bad way to do Mordheim really

>>96027367
idk the Mordheim community would still be completely apoplectic about it even if GW did the smallest thing.

Pool party in Naggaroth and...
looks like we have a snooper

>>96027406
The random human slave they brought over as their towelboy isn't a snooper.
But it is very cold and menacing.

>>96027343
Will we get swarthy amazon mercenaries?

>>96027406
Snoopers are punished with death, especially if it's Tyrion.

>>96027423
I really hope so. I actually have the Blood Bowl team and I'm converting it, but it's kinda annoying.

>>96022225
>>if your WS is lower than your opponent, you're hitting on 5s
You need to actually read the rules before trying to tell people what they are anon

>>96022746
Another thrilling battle on planet bowling ball

The Great God of Football Part 1

>>96027505
Whatever dude, just consult the chart. How about you tell the newfag what's what instead of bothering me?

>>96027537
That there's just a chaos going for football and he's powerful enough to have his own paralleled universe is amazing.
I winder if there's one for Futbol, basketball, or even bobsledding.

>>96027537
The Great God of Football Part 2

Empire of Man Engineer Uniforms question - are they the same colours as the rest of the Army or do they have their own special colour regardless of army colours?

>>96027406
>>96027448
>looking at granny ass
gross

>>96027607
could go either way since they are employed by the same person who owns the army, but there are also basically going to be a contractor, so they might just not wear a uniform

>>96027040
If they had humanity they would have Perry minis and victrix stuff

>>96027595
Who does she root for?

>>96027595
The Great God of Football Part 3

>>96027632
I did say basic. One day I'll find someone selling the victrix arabs without asking $15+ on shipping.

>buy paint on primer to avoid delays painting my new models from the rain
>AC stopped working so it’s humid in my house now
Woe is me

>>96027645
The Great God of Football Part 4 end

>>96022172
https://d1w82usnq70pt2.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/Bairs-Old-World-Sheet-with-June-25-FAQ-V8.pdf
Reference sheet with most of the things you're looking for.

This is fun

Chaos corruption gives you unlimited power and permanent baldness like radiation.

>>96027851
>makes you ugly and unfuckable
Truly a double edged sword.

>>96027851
>reading magic book turn you into an elgi

>>96022956
Morgiana le Fay is what Morgan le Fay used to be in the earlier versions of the Arthurian saga--a more benevolent witch acting as a spiritual guide for Arthur, rather than a malicious sorceress. In Warhammer, she can certainly be terrifying, but much like the Arthurian Morgan, Morgiana helps the just and the needy in worthy endeavors. She also believes so strongly in the people of Bretonnia, that she is still willing to grant her favor, despite the fact that everytime she does that, the magical bonds that forms puts her at risk of direct repercussions should the beneficiary abandon their quest.

>AoS fags say Cathay selling out means nothing because "new releases always sell out!"
>New Deepkin stuff isn't sold out anywhere
Cathay stay winning

The wonders of industrial progress my friend

>>96027984
She also takes away children from their families if they have magical powers. To be fair, tho, she brings them to a place without famines or plagues, and trains them in the ways of magic. So that, you know, they don't explode their families via casting accidents. Or they aren't burned at the stake.

>>96028015
>>96027851
>>96027706
>>96027645
>>96027595
>>96027537
>>96027448
>>96027406
fuck off

>>96028007
I managed to find a shugengan, at least have a Cathayan to paint in the near future.

>>96028007
The people have spoken and declared they love the dragon emperor and his favorite daughter.

>>96028027
Imma post slop.
Elgi slop.
Wazzok.

>>96028007
I wonder how well the notChorfs will sell

>>96028072
I honestly think they'll sell pretty good unless GW drastically departed from the old Chorf design for them.

>>96028072
>>96028080
Yeah if they're just forge world improvements then they'll do well, but then again the new Skaven only did okay IIRC so maybe it's another "fan base is more vocal than actual potential sales" situation.

Bizarre concept of if the Chaos Gods were an alien life form

>>96028072
the only ways they could possibly fuck up chorfs are
>no full armors
>no big guns
>no beards

>>96028115
That's 40k shit. Stop posting.

>>96028119
Given the overall trend of AoS designs being desperately subversive, missing the core appeal of the originals, I could see it

I bought the Skaventide box because I like rats but nobody in my city wants to play AoS. Are these rats legal for use in The Old World?

>>96028134
They did a decent job with Skaven to the point you could slot pretty much all the new stuff back into TOW without issue, but then again their original-the-dwar-I-MEAN-DUARDIN are ass so I'm wagering on them being weird and stupid.

>>96028150
>They did a decent job with Skaven
Hard disagree. But they are not -as- bad as most redesigns

>>96028155
They're not great definitely but they still look like Skaven at least. Unlike uhhh... KO in AoS.
>>96028144
Absolutely, as long as they're on square bases (or rounds in conversion trays) you can play.

>>96028144
Yeah man a clanrat is a clanrat, just stick in on a square base

Wouldn't be surprised if you see other Skaven ToW players doing the same, just keep in mind Skaven is a "legacy" faction and will likely not be receiving updates to rules etc in future while mainline factions will inevitably get new rule refreshes and maybe a new hero here and there

>>96028072
If they look like Chorfs, then really well.
If they are like how Lumineth are to High Elves, badly.

>>96028150
order is really the only stuff in AoS that gets the dogshit "what if this warhammer fantasy army but gay and retarded" design

>>96028155
>Hard disagree.
Genuinely why?
They're a good update to the old Skaven kits and they kept the aesthetic bang on IMO. Not every new model was a winner, but the majority of them were all very good.

>>96028216
Too high tech, ugly AoS design sensibilities with extravagant poses and big sweeping symmetrical armor profiles, huge ugly weapons, weird drippy CAD liquid cloth, I could go on. They don't capture what I like about Skaven

people you'll see if you visit naggaroth.

>>96027406
Hell yeah. More like this

>>96028254
booba

>>96028254
>visit
Being taken as a slave against my will isn't a fucking vacation.

>>96028292
With tits like those it will be

>Cathayan Sentinel instructions are as bad as people were saying
what the fuck gw
did you get the intern to make these? he didn't even print them in fucking colour

>>96028357
This isn't AoS where witch elves are popping out kids with human men like there's no tomorrow, this is just misery.

>>96028072
>>96028197
Do we even know if the Chaos Dwarfs are going to Old World or Age of Sigmar?

I always wondered why night goblins are the second largest if they live in caves where space and food are scarce.

>>96028686
Warcom article said new army for AoS. We don't know it's chorfs, but that is the apparent assumption

>>96028686
In Age of Sigmar it is more likely but since they were announced to appear in Old World there is no clear certainty

>>96028254
>today's fussy beast tamers

>>96028690
I’m not too well versed on Fantasy Greenskins, don’t they still operate on “conflicts make them stronger,”?

>>96028734
Those are your brothers on steroids, the orcs, the goblins are the skinny anemic ones.

>>96027007
GW uses "dice" as their singular.
And "codexes" as their plural.

>>96028007
>an entire brand new army for a game that hasnt gotten a new army in 20 years that got 2 years of hype articles and comes straight from a best selling video game
>vs
>a couple foot heroes and a less popular army that only got a single hype article a week before its release

not even remotely comparable.

>>96028007
Space wolves also didnt sell out at all. TOW is coming for the 40kucks. Soon all will be kowtowing to the red dragon.

>>96028690
Just winning the genetic lottery compared to other gobbos. Or the mushrooms they eat help them grow. Or they could just be a more stable settlements in the mountain caves, despite constant wars with dorfs and skaven.

>>96028690
why do you believe this is this case

>>96028904
I thought people on /tg/ repeatedly say AoS vastly outperforms Old World?

>>96028686
Yes, 100% Chorfs are coming to AoS. They will be announced on the 18th and have already been teased in their rulebook and the 18th teaser said an AoS addition of earthshaking/seismic proportions (their artillery)

>>96028983
Anyone with half a brain would discount this being a useful sales chart when it lacks Bolt Action but includes whatever the fuck bones is

>>96029003
>he doesnt know reaper
hobby-let zoomer prostrate yourself and beg for forgiveness.

Why are dwarves called Dorfs?

>>96029026
Its just a british thing. Its disgusting, I know.

>>96028134
I think a lot of the armies that are mostly / entirely AoS still scratch the same / similar itch as the originals. High elves, dark elves, goblins, woc all work for me. Not as big a fan of the single god factions, dwarves are botched, and Cities and Orcs are a little off.

>>96028904
Well tell that to the AoS cucks who said that all new releases always sell out. They don't handle nuance well which is prob why they play a simple skirmish game.

>>96028983
I live in the PNW and sadly, was once a WMH fan. That game is far deader than TOW or really many others. Globally no way it's a top 10 even with the new management keaning into 3d prints

Skaven expedition anon here, gonna post what I think might be my last iteration of this warp fire thrower before moving on to globadiers. The flesh is less pink now, fur and skin look better, weapon looks more worn down, I think it's a straight improvement minus the cloaks, which I kinda spilled too much shit on. I then tried going back over it with the yellow paint but it just looked worse, so I dumped more wash on it to hide it, and now the poor cloak looks like it's been through an ogre's asshole. Hopefully the proud colors of this expeditionary force in the middle of the hot sands of nehekhara will be displayed in full with future paintjobs.

One thing I always hate about painting is by the time your done, your first model always looks the shittiest.

where the fuck is the preyton

Where the fuck are the rules for the chaos warshrine? I don’t want to run it as a chosen chariot. I want him to turn my mad max army into proper fanatics. You booted it from Aos for a reason now fucking stick your fanatic cock into the old world o warshrine.

>>96028125
Not him, but the involvement of space farers isn't new to Warhammer. Old ones are explicitly aliens of great power, and accidentally brought green skins with them. Old Amazon lore had them make use of pillaged sci-fi tech from the old ones/slann. Lizardmen are revealed to have a fuck ass spaceship in the end times. And that's not to mention all the 40k chaos stuff showing up in fantasy due to chaos shenanigans

>>96029691
Probably in a future arcane journal. Would be fitting considering GW's fascination with 'centerpiece' models.

I do hope the dogs of war rumours are correct, I love the idea of painting some mercenaries in bright garish colours so they stand out

>>96029649
One thing I'd reiterate is choosing a silver colour for much of the metal to contrast more with the rest. The model looks very yellow overall although the lighting probably doesn't help.
And yeah don't worry about test models not always looking great. When you've got more practice you can always strip and re-do.

>>96028023
Only trains the girls, the boys are killed and never seen again.

I cannot get over the Shugengan Lord, Grand Cannon, and Jade Warriors. I keep going back to their rulebook and looking for something but no, the Shungengan Lord is just better in melee with several special rules, an inbuilt ward, is a level 2 wizard by default, for 30 points less than an Empire General on Griffon (with TOP for a closer comparison). The cannon does get the dreadquake mortar special rule for 10 points more with the ability to take ogres that let you shoot twice and shores up their weakness to normal cheap ambushers. Jade warriors do have better armour for no more points and rules that buff their armour and stats and can get even better stats and a ward for 1ppm as compared to veteran state troops that get 1 extra combat res. I am dreading running into them on the table because currently GW made an army that does what I wanted mine to do but better in every facet. I guess I can spam demigryphs but that is not why I got empire and I would probably still just get shit stomped by their characters and cannons.

>>96028686
>all leakers have been saying AoS for over a year
>they were teased in an AoS reveal stream few months ago
>GW is saying they're showing off a new AoS army for its aniversary
I don't know. Might even be Horus Heresy at this point

>>96029691
Ngl the reason I didn’t play them in old world I always wanted that model

>>96028007
People know this is just an issue with GW stock forecasting right?

god the cathayan female is so ugly

>living vicariously through dubiously estimated sales figures
I really hope you guys don't do this.

>>96029953
with ap -2 stomps and more attacks from the griffon, I think an empire general has good chances against a shugengan in melee.

>>96030155
Oh now they don't count AoShitter.

>>96028007
I honestly hope AoS DOESN'T die because it's the perfect D&D 5e-playing tranny-faggot-tankie theater kid freakazoid containment game. Let them play in the sewer as long as they want, just keep the sewage-covered subhumans away from my womfy grog gaem. Also I hate all disgusting trannies and fags, and men in dresses will never be women, just wanted to reiterate that fact.

>>96030162
If you bring the imperial griffon you're up to 60 points over the Shugengan, 80 if double heads. The Shugengan is about even vs normal griffon not factoring magic, and is dealt ~.3 more wounds a combat vs imperial griffon. I think overall impact > stomps currently since it can tack combat res on when going into units, and even keeping magic aside they will trounce Empire characters at a given points cost. Even the white wolf grand master dss build just wiffs when the lord stacks ws7 and -2 to hit.

>>96028690
they aren't, retard

I hope to god the rumours of remixing old models aren’t true. As shit as some of the old sculpts are (tomb kings) I wouldn’t want them gone just to be charged more

>>96030169
>self reporting this hard
lel

>>96030247
since the old skeletons are in the tomb kings starter box, I dont think they will get replaced soon.

>>96030276
You're as naive as I am coping.

>>96030302
so you think they will remove the starter box in the ongoing edition?

>>96030247
there's no rumors about updating old models, but they really really should, nostalgia can only go so far
>tomb king skeletons
>tomb king archers
>tomb king chariots
>bretonnia pegasus knights
>bretonnia grail knights
>bretonnia pilgrims
>high elf spearmen
>high elf archers
>high elf silver helms
>dwarf warriors
>dwarf thunderers
>dwarf slayers
>empire state troops
>empire handgunners
>empire knightly orders
>beastmen chariots
>beastmen centigors
>beastmen minotaurs
all these are kits that absolutely need to get addressed

>>96030306
A second edition would have a different starter, yeah, that's usually how it goes.

>>96030324
The entire Bretonnian range is dogshit except for the very old handful of knights on foot and the very new characters. I don't own a single (official) GW Bretonnia model.

>>96030324
Dwarfs should also replace miners, have proper build options in the quarrellers kit for rangers, and get the unreleased tank

>>96030327
>The entire Bretonnian range is dogshit
The questing knights are a characterful bunch and the basic peasants and knights aren't as bad as people make them out to be, they've aged quite gracefully all in all.
It's really the top tier stuff that doesn't hold up to the concepts and should be the main attractions of the faction on the table, so they deserve a new updated kit more than anything, even more than a hippogryph kit, which is just behind them in priority.

>>96030325
yeah, but a second edition is not coming out anytime soon.

>>96030410
give it 2 more years and we'll be there

>>96028983
it does probably outsell old world, just not $50 single foot heroes for a niche army vs an entire new army range release. you guys keep trying to create some false equivalency here, the scope and scale of the deepkin release compared to cathay are not even in the same ballpark. we have been having cathay dripfeed teasers pretty much since the start of the pandemic, its a full new model range. the deepkin shit is just a couple new small utility pieces for a less popular army that got shown off once a week before its release

turns out, old world vs age of sigmar people really probably dont feel too strongly one way or the other about the settings at large. what people, and by people i mean the masses of normies who spend the most money, not the diehard fanboys, what they really want are just good looking models. and the fact of the matter is that most of the old worlds ranges currently are just trying to sell off model kits no one wanted to buy 20 years ago, which have not changed except the occasional scraping off of karl franz's initials. if old world really wants big money sales, its going to need cathay level modern refreshes of all of its army ranges so they actually look good and can compete on sculpt quality and box cover interest. these old kits may have SOVL to the crusty old grogs online, but that doesnt ultimately drive sales, and if old world doesnt learn this lesson its just going to die all over again like it did before

>>96028015
Are there any more of this series. Theyre pretty funny. Think ive seen one with Chorfs and elves.

Serious question why is everyone going crazy over the Cathay models? They're nice, they're fine. While good on a technical level they're a bit too clean for my liking, and they don't strike me as overly interesting or characterful. I really just don't see what's so fucking good about them that it's making people start TOW just so they can collect them.

>>96030516
They're a modern range.

>>96030516
Essentially: Brand new army. Its not a new rendition of old miniatures but 100% new. Something Fantasy has not had in decades.

>>96022731
Finished a character.
inb4 paint the rim. I will, chill

>>96030516
>Serious question why is everyone going crazy over the Cathay model
TWers.

>>96030539
>revive WHF
>also love nu-slop which James will cater to
They are truly a monkey's paw.

>>96030516
I still think these looking fucking awful to paint

>>96030324
The only kits on your list that need replacing are the high elves and empire infantry. Everything else is kino and you're a soulless golem if you disagree.

>>96030455
If they're smart, they'll notice it's all about the models, and not dismiss Warhammer Fantasy again. Most older Bretonnian models really suck, but the new ones are constantly sold out. Try to buy the new model for that prophetess that the Fay Enchantress personally trained, and you'll find her unavailable most of the times.

any suggestions for a model for the sorcerer/lord on demonic mount

Am also looking for cool dragon conversion material, so any suggestions are appreciated!

>>96030516
>why do people like cool figures of a long awaited army that are also the only plastic Renaissance Chinese in plastic at 1/56?
Nadie sabe.
Nadie supo.

>>96030639
Even though I personally like them the TK skellies really do need an upgrade. Those sculpts are from the 90s.

>>96030673
GW will make a sliced up monopose nightmare. Just get 3d prints.

>>96030671
>cool
Theyre not
>long awaited
It wasn't, maybe if you played TW I guess.
>only plastic Renaissance Chinese
No one cares and they're not even Renaissance Chinese

>>96030653
https://www.warhammer.com/en-AU/shop/warriors-of-chaos-chaos-lord-on-daemonic-mount-2024

This has gotta be one of the all time chaos lord on daemonic mounts

>>96030639
>The only kits on your list that need replacing are mine; anyone's else? I don't care and shouldn't be fixed!

>>96030671
Based and true.
Cathay sold better than any other army in my LGS.

>>96030653
Here are some fun suggestions for a dragon:
- For a tzeentch sorcerer:
Make your dragon look like a fish or other aquatic creature with feathered wings (with eyes on them obviously) instead of fins
- For a nurgle dragon, mix rotfly components with a stormcast dragon
- For a slaanesh dragon, maybe have it be a serpent with angelic looking wings. Or just have it look like a giant steed of slaanesh, or make it look like a dragonfly

here are some suggestions for a demonic mount:
Slaanesh: some kind of mutated zebra with a snake for a tail, or a giant big cat (tiger, lion or jaguar etc.)
Tzeentch: A big mutant fish with legs, or an ostrich but its head it replaced by what looks like a metal tower with a burning orb or eye at the top
Nurgle: A big manky looking rabid dog or giant rat, or one of those necromunda hellamites
Khorne: Juggernaut is the classic, but a giant bull or some kinda gorilla/reptile hybrid creature would look cool

>>96030639
No, I like the high elf infantry. It'll suck to get rigid figures like the dark elves or worse, the lumineth.

>>96030516
I can't wait to see all the terribly painted cathay armies in a few months once the soifacing faggots realise how hard these overly busy models will be to paint

>>96030780
At the very least they need to be upped to sea guard quality

>>96030836
No. The seaguard are exactly the same as the dark elves. Monopose, hard to convert ot kitbash.

>>96030790
It's pretty easy if you painted anything from GW from the last 10 years.

>>96030688
>the only kits on your list that need replacing are the one's I don't own; all my models are perfect the way they are

>>96030516
>Minus -10 Social Score points for this anon

>>96030410
>>96030413
Looking at how poorly the new edition for Hh is being handled I’d have to hope that’s not true.

>>96030653
I think the coolest demonic mounts are the ones that look like spawns, and so are the coolest chaos dragons

mantic is often ill treated for good reason, but it has some underrated models to use sometimes

>>96030532
>>96022849
Looks well painted anons

>>96030516
Lots of people like Cathay from playing the Total War game.

How is skirmish? I'm presuming Mordheim/6th Skirmish rules would work?

>>96030843
I'll take monopose over disgusting monkey proportions

>>96030324
if you think the pilgrims are bad you shouldn't share opinions on the internet, some of the best gw models ever

>>96031198
Genuinely baffling, but I guess it has to be true. Or maybe it's just the chinese

>>96030124
ppl like to prented products selling out with no other data is indicative o anything else than 'they sold at least one'

>>96030324
they will release 'legacy' factions before refreshing current ranges, it's cheaper and more cost effective to whatever strategy they have wih tow

What is your favourite niche bit of lore?

>>96030516
consoomers love a product being NEW and COOL and FRESH more than they do any actual qualities of the product itself.

>>96030650
> they'll notice it's all about the models

i dont know how they couldnt, they literally say "we are a model company first" at every chance they get.

the only reason they wouldnt is because its the whole longterm success vs short term gains business dynamic and the bean counters that just wanted a quick buck in a fiscal quarter so instead of refreshing the lines they just spun up all the old moulds or dug backstock sprues out of storage for some quick turn around and clearance, which may have sold to some oldheads who had been wanting some OOP models or a couple of diehard fans and secondaries, but the casual hobbying audience/30something moms buying toys for their teens, which from GWs own admittance is like 80-90% of their sales, is going to want models that actually look good and dont have a particularly strong attachment to one IP over another enough to justify buying older, lower quality models.

i mean fuck, i just finished building 60 dwarf warriors and rangers and the mould slips and gaps on those models were god damn atrocious

>>96031279
I don't think pilgrims, slayers or centigors are bad sculpts at all, I simply think they're an insult price-wise and will keep being a deal-breaking problem for their respective ranges as long as they stay in resin/metal at that price per model, and unfortunately an update in plastic is easier than a price reduction.

>>96030790
there are only like 4 anons who post in this thread that paint above total newfag level

>>96031319
All the Slann argued about this one event and how it would happen. When it happened they gave the silent treatment to the one Slann who successfully guessed what would happen for a few hundred years.

>>96030516
I don't mind them

If you put effort in they look nice

If you model them in a bamboo forest they do look neat

They're just missing some of the cool stuff like dragon monks

>>96031356
the pilgrims are good sculpts, they just have a stylized look. the slayers are like 50/50 good but goofy sculpts and actual bad sculpts. centigors are sculpted well enough from the knees up but those claws look terrible, and their poses are very boring and stiff, a problem which plagues most fantasy infantry from that era but the beastmen more than most.

>>96030516
>they're a bit too clean

i wouldnt say they are any more so clean than the later dwarf kits or the high elfs

>>96031311
Most probably, sure, but I also think both of these things aren't as far away as some would say.

What is the most fun thing about chaos?

>>96031394
God I hate the pilgrims. why and how are they all disgusting fat obese slobs with retard haircuts? they should be starving french runts with unkempt hair from walking without pause after their knightfu or whatever

>>96031483
imo 2ed will be late next year or early 2027, and would bring some or all legacy factions

>>96031584
>disgusting fat obese slobs with retard haircuts?
to make them grotesque mirrors of Medieval Friars and Pilgrims, just like all the 6th edition models are just ugly jokes about high Medieval France as such everyone needs to look like they just came off the set of Monty Python and the Holy Grail

>>96031356
>47 quid for 30 year old shitty centigors
Damn that's really insane. I mean the sculpts have character and all, but jesus.

>>96031637
Middle ages peasants fared vastly better than what internet memes and games workshop's retarded worldbuilding would want you to believe. You're right that it's all about Monty Python jokes. I was pissed to no end when I first played bretonnia in total war and heard the Monty Python-esque voiceover for the peasants. If you like Bretonnia, you just can't escape the Monty Python.

>none of the last 4 reference cards sold out
Brutal look, either people buying Old World dropped off a cliff or they severely underproduced the first lot to FOMO people, bad look either way

>>96031687
why would you buy the cards anyway?
What market are they meant to appeal to?

>>96031687
who the fuck buys "reference cards" for a 20pages booklet?

>>96031537
The sheer amount of options and customizability

Up until 7th, chaos was the go to "build your own bad guys" faction that could show up in several different flavors. When the faction got carved up in 7th and onward things became less fun

Are dwarfs really big or are orcs really small? I can't quite make up my mind

>>96031700
>>96031702
The retards that made them sell out for every launch up to Empire

>>96031738
Orcs boyz aren't actually that big, canonically only being about man height. They can grow bigger of course, but the majority will never be larger than a human man.

>>96031687
I was kinda pissed when I found out that the tomb kings reference cards don't even include the stuff from the Arcane Journal

>>96031537
Rape

>>96031738
the average orc, in its slouching resting stance, reaches the same height of a normal human, it's just much wider.

>>96031780
But aren't dwarfs supposed to only reach the waist of a man?

>>96031537
They have the same flexibility for conversions and scratchbuilds for organic creatures as 40k orks do for vehicles. You can obviously make conversions and kitbashes for all factions but chaos and orks TRULY let you do whatever you want and have it be lore-accurate.

>>96031537
If I were to collect chaos I'd try to focus as much as possible on conversions about mutations and hybrid creatures, so I'd say that's the most entertaining part of it, the freedom in themes and aesthetics it sets up.

>>96031738
Those particular dwarfs are scale creeped

>>96031584
could be a reference to medieval friars who got fat (and wealthy) off of selling indulgences for the church.

>>96030214
>If you bring the imperial griffon you're up to 60 points over the Shugengan

No? It's only 30 pts more if it's an imperial griffon and it's only dealing more wounds during the first round of combat against the regular griffon, afterwards it loses its impact hits which are the largest source of damage.

>>96031786
I'm relatively sure the baseline dwarf is over 4' tall, with many warriors being significantly taller than that a fair few exceptions being effectively human sized but with vastly different proportions, like I think gotrek, I seem to recall he's noted to be a giant of a dwarf, more recognisable as a dwarf by the typical dwarf proportions way more than the height.

>>96030214
Not a behemoth, not strength 6.
The general is just bad anyway.
They both get raped by an equally costed Black Orc Wyvern

>>96031283
Nah I think they're pretty cool but I don't care much for their their super duper magical elements like the terracotta sentinels and such. Cathayan mercenary ogres, the pirate magistrate in the hot air balloon, the peasants armed with gunpowder, the bastard nobles with dragon blood, all neat. I like them more than bretonnia and helves for sure.

>>96030324
Pegasus, silver helms, centigors, minotaurs (its 90% the offical paint job is shite) empire knights, pilgrims, grail knights (hating this proves you're a AoS elite = bobbles n dynamic pose slop eater) tomb king chariots even beast chariots (tuskgors need a refresh) all of these are pretty ok to good. The only ojly reason I'm not including dwarf warriors is cause they suck ass to assemble and often have mold slips. Really on your list other than high elf spears and tomb king skellies are really needing refresh, the rest are ok at worst.
I'd hate to be this zoomer, to be so frightened by soul and an asthetic from a better time.

>>96031537
For me in design, the full plate armour and imagining the potential histories of each soldier.

In gameplay? Tearing your way through the enemy army, challenging their leaders and crushing them with your Chaos Champions!

>>96030516
Imagine if Cathay had been made 30 years ago. Fu Manchu'd overseers whipping tonsured peasants into the breach, rickshaws with comically large cannons and rockets strapped on, commanders surrounded by kowtowing emaciated slaves. Instead we get this sanitized anime aesthetic for fear of offending chink sensibilities. Fuck this gay faction and the redditors who lap this garbage up.

>>96030928
>>Minus -10
So +10? Nice

>>96032049
>centigors, grail knights
>good
Opinion rendered invlaid

>>96031789
Yep, chaos is peak for converting. Undead and dogs of war are are distant seconds, and everyone else has fairly limited options

>>96032132
>thinks Centigors suck
>counter invalidated, status faggot confirmed
Centigors are pretty solid other than the sort of sideways stance so common from the era, other than the price there's little to bitch about. If you want souless slop, try >>>/aosg/

What base is best for a great bray shaman a 25mm or a 30mm? I have other shaman minis (the old metal ones from made to order), so I can have multiple shamans, but should the great one be on a 30 and the regular ones on 25s?

>>96032149
25mm is the superior option as they would more likely be in a gor bunker or even ungor bunker than bestigors; that said if you have the AoS one he's a pain to fit in 25mm as his cape overhangs a pinch.

>>96032154
It is the plastic shaman I am referring too, but thanks for the tip, but I might put the magical goat on a 30mm, that way I can have him be running solo, or with Bestigors and even warped Gors for a cool thematic look.

>>96032107
Yeah it is a real pity we never got a 6th Ed army book for Cathay. Priestley, Cavatore etc would've made it cool as hell I'm sure.

>>96030324
>>96030247
They're definitely going to update the old metals little by little, not because they're ugly, but because GW doesn't like metal as it's prices are too volatile.
Ushabti would be a perfect one to update. Super popular and metal.

>>96031537
The models. They're just so good. Even going as far back as 1988 and even earlier, they're incredible.

>>96031794
Yeah that's why I thought because the dwarf is quite big

>>96031738
I don’r think I like the long term trend of making Dwarves more well proportioned. I feel like it takes away from the fantastical aspect of their race to make them just short dudes and not “Dwarves” if that makes sense to anyone. Not to mention real dwarves don’t look like that, but I imagine GW would be spooked by the prospect of making them accurate to real life little people.

>>96032146
I bet you think dragon ogres are a fantastic design too.

>>96032314
>called a faggot
>gives a faggot response
This is going to kill the zoomer cum-soomer, but what made these games popular was the look. Deviating from it just for secondaries to not feel weird knowing their models come from a golden age of western civilization and is an expression of such, before the hollow world they know and making them uncomfortable. Yes, generally Dogres are fine my only gripe is that while they are part of a chaos army and their ungainly posture and portions fits in great, they weren't spawned from chaos and so could be more gracile. Not my favorite design but not one I'd get heartburn over. No, the ones that really need help are some of the core troops where being taken in droves and often outdated from other designs they stick out more. A unit doesnt need to be a centerpeice, you'd know that if you had an army sometimes the end justifies a unit far better than 1v1.

>>96032234
And almost impossible to buy, perpetually out of stock.
Plastic ushabti kit with bow or GW option would be awesome

>>96032303
I agree. The proportions strangely made olddorfs more "believable" to me than just little guys. These long, almost simian arms and stumpy legs. The thickness of their chests, looking as though they'd weigh over 200 pounds at less than five feet of height. A "small normal human" isn't going to be an effective fighter, but the cartoon proportions of the older sculpts kind of emphasize that they're not humans, and therefore I imagine that they have the same surprising feats of strength that you'd get out of Great Apes in real life or something.

>>96032388
>what made these games popular was the look.
Ah yes the grail knights that were absolutely not proxied with historical models and the beastmen that had literally no one play them, yes that look.

gonna be real man im not reading all that.

>>96029953
I don't want to defend the obvious powercreep, and there is some things in that book that are just too good, Sky Lanterns, the dragon transformation rules, alchemists mask, the common 25pt terror item, ogre loaders, etc. But the Shugengen isn't one of them, yeah sure it's slightly undercosted but it's your only caster option and you're paying a lot of points for a melee profile you don't really want to use. The Jade Warriors are only like 1 point short, they stack up comparably to the better infantry options, M@A, Orcs, Ngobbos, Forsaken, Gors, etc, although the dragon guard upgrade should be like 2ppm.

>>96032467
Using a proxy argument just shows you are a newfag- these models were a bitch to find and carried in clampacks or boxes stocked editions ago. Proxying back in the day was almost always due to having no other option. 3d printing and proxies being mainstream and not total conversion projects by a few mad lads only started toward the end of WHFB, do to many issues mostly price and availability- most 3d sculpting programs at the time were not that great anyways.
Also its ok to admit you read something and have no retort, instead of looking incapable

>>96032497
dogshit looking historical only bret/empire armies are mostly a 9th age era thing, I never see that anymore.

>>96032049
You don't even know what grail knights look like, you retarded fake grog.

>>96032474
>I won't defend the power creep
>other things are too undercosted
>Shugengen isn't one
>yes it's undercosted
I mean I think you make some good points but the core issue you missed. NTA you were speaking too but this is sort if my gripe too- Cathay is so efficent that vs casual or mid tier and lower armies it's just going to be noticeably better in too many areas.
>>96032517
Is that where it comes from? I never did much 9th l, tried it after end times seemed fine but my meta moved on anyways, but yeah when I returned to TOW some hisfags were trying to play pike and shotte and I was confused as while 8th ed empire leaned hard into gunpowder you still had steamtanks mounted lords and plenty of wizards. Did 9th open up this and TOW went back to traditional empire?

>>96032234
>ushabti
fuck no, I don't trust gw being able to replicate their magic again in the slightest.

>>96032600
9th was very popular with competitive fags who just wanted the absolute cheapest models possible with little regard for modeling

>is yo nigga whistle boy *whistle*
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>is yo nigga whistle bizzy *whistle*
>is yo nigga whistle boy

>>96032388
>but what made these games popular was the look.
yeah, no, not the look dragon ogres, or many other models, the game was popular in spite of sculpts like these
>inb4 but wait, that's not the look of dragon ogres I know from my memes and total war!

absolute corporate bootlicker pretending to be an oldfag.

>>96032590
Nigger I owned those metal models probbaly before you were born. Had to un limp dick those lances. Learned brush control on Pegasus knight feathers. And never had more than 5 making lance formation not worth it cause I never could find 1 more. Don't talk to your betters child, lurk listen and maybe learn.

>>96032590
>>96032626
I love the smell of triggered newfags in the morning

>>96032632
>Nigger I owned those metal models
No, you absolutely did not, you faggot.

>>96032664
Lol pathetic TOWdler, nothing but nu uhs and no shared experience. Sad. Let the adults enjoy their game

>>96032656
>so oblivious to the underlying problem he went and googled for an image as if it was the point
Get out, go shitpost in /aosg/ or something.

>>96032626
>GW makes Dragon Ogres
>games's popularity increases
>GW resculpts them in 8th
>nuke setting
Coincidence?

>>96032679
>several anons disagree
>starts having a meltie
Shitposting himself or legit newfag mad people enjoy SOVL?

>>96032701
>gets called out
>y-you're having a meltie
Post your grail knights or fuck off.

>>96032723
Toot toot

>>96032463
I think a lot of newer sculpts get around it by having out of proportion weapons and beards, but I think the “normal” looking proportions and limbs shine through on a lot of them. It’s as if they don’t like the fact they’re technically inhuman.

>>96032723
>starts breaking down
>w-w-w well show us your models from 2006!
Yes anon, I totally have pics from 20 years ago, from my very good camera phone, that I uploaded to the cloud and have kept all this time just in case a newfag who clearly knows nothing of clampack erectile dysfunction for banners and lances can continue to mald. Again if you weren't a child you'd know how retarded your "win condition" is. For many if not most of us memories or a few models is all we kept. It doesn't change the fact grail knights are solid models, with grail iconography (you do know why this should stand out in a abret army right?l and you wanting some AoS slop blood knight remake is just gay.

What the fuck are you tards even arguing about?

>>96032752
I said YOUR grail knights, that's a picture from reddit, and were painted last year.

>patrol forest
>see odd carving on rock
>Oh no
>halfling_in_averland.spell
>suddenly beastmen

>>96032770
An autist is having a crashout because he decided to post the "definitive" list of bad models and anons are disagreeing, with predictable results.

Oh there are 40k fags here

>>96032761
>It doesn't change the fact grail knights are solid models
no, they absolutely aren't and have been an explicit problem with all the bretonnian players I interacted with for the decade I've played actual warhammer, they're not going to suddenly become "solid models" that all true scotsmen love because a fake grog that thinks mindlessly praising outdated sculpts is now trendy shouts SOVL on 4chan.

>>96032816
NTA but this entire paragraph you typed is just buzzwords and I've never heard of bretonnian players hating grail knights, mostly just wishing their tabletop performance was better for what's supposed to be THE knights.

>>96032847
Also despite GW pushing them now as a main faction they were always extremely niche, I think I ran into maybe 4 more 5 players until the End and I played I a pretty healthy community. I'm kind of suspect that anyone would have any insight into Bretonian players thoughts. All I know is grail knights sold out on release so must not have been that hated.

I needed this autism for lunch. Never change.

>>96032602
If we're lucky it'll be like the "New" Elyrian Reavers which were just remastered versions of the old. Keep the design, but plastify.

>>96022731
Postin

Any lizard bros here? 2 questions
>are saurus still good?
With infantry changes do we risk a huge blob? Or is that too many spawns in 1 pool?
>are the old skinks with shortbows unusable?
I see cheap lots often but I don't see shortbows as an option in the army builder, am I blind or is this option no longer in game?

>>96032107
Who the hell would unironically want to play this army? It already sounds extremely gay (uncool) when you already other armies like Ogres and Chaos Dwarfs.

>>96032939
The remastered reavers were already originally in plastic I think. Iirc they are from the isle of blood starter.

>>96032785
I like when people don't realize reverse image search is a thing

>>96033042
Yeah skins with bows aren’t a thing since 6th. It’s javelins+shields or blowpipes now

>>96033042
shortbows dont exist but I dont think anyone would have a problem with you running them as blowpipes

>>96033230
>>96033230
>>96033230
>>96033230
New

>>96032242
How has Grishnak fared compared to that fool of a Took, Alvis?

>>96032656
These are genuinely bad and barely distinguishable from normal KOTR
>t. BretGOD