Thread 96025896

>new gundam game coming out
>Trench Crusade guys doing their own battletech
>modiphius doing their own battletech
>all of these games are cheaper to get into than battletech, have simplified gameplay so you can finish a battle in under 10 hours

Is CGL/Battletech just fucked? How will they beat this crowded market?

only gundam is gonna cause them issues, I cant even find info on the other ones. shut up dude

>>96025896 (OP)
Continue marketing to their new audience: trannies.

I got into BT because it's not simplified. Why the hell would I change to simple version?

>>96026005
So you can finish a game

>>96026024

not to sound like a classist asshole but I make enough money that I dont need to work two jobs

>>96026024
Can do that easy enough when playing CBT. Have you ever played it?

>>96025896 (OP)
It's actually becoming annoying watching all these Games Workshop people who like being influencers just a little too much phone in branching into /awg/ even though in theory people playing different games, settings, scales etc is obviously very positive.

It's not even so much possession because these people are much better at the hobby than I am... it's more the sinking feeling that the machine must be fed and the algo stoked and that this might have some hitherto unforseen negative effects.

What’s the name of the Trench Crusade mech game?

>>96025896 (OP)
Man Battletech survived it's own devs trying to kill it TWICE!

>>96025896 (OP)
Gundam syre, but Trench Crusade is lame.

>>96026061
CBT is a dinosaur, a museum piece. It's a fun curiosity but it's by noeans a good game. It's full of nostalgia but not good gameplay. Battletech override is way better.

>>96025896 (OP)
>simplified gameplay
Battletech still has the autist market cocked down then

>>96026106
the annoying thing is that often they're using the games just to juxtapose against a GW game, before dropping it for the next hotness

>>96025896 (OP)
>trench crusade guys doing battletech
what the fuck are you talking about?

>>96025896 (OP)
Many have tried, most have failed
Gundam has the best chance, because it looks like there will be a lot of out-of-game theorycrafting to do and it has a setting/s that people love.

>Trench Crusade guys
>Modiphius
I guaran-fucking-tee you that these will be generic skirmishslop that don't capture BT's appeal.

Battletech has the right amount of complexity for new/casual players to do 2v2 assault mech pitched battles and have fun and only sometimes forget vital rules. They're happy with that and trying to pitch a more casual version is pointless, they always wind up stripping one of the fun parts out with it.
Battletech could do with a pass over the rules and cleaning up bits here and there but at this point it's a fully grown beast and you have to accept its flaws to appreciate it's positives.

The gundam game is gonna do crazy good though. Gundam is massive right now and people are slobbering for miniscale mechs. Even if the game sucked, it'll still sell.

>>96026702
>no rear torso location
>no left, right torso location

KYS

>>96026702
Not every new thing is good. You have to judge things on more merits than just 'it's the latest thing!'. Sometimes the old ways are the best, especially if they are still being played 40 years after their invention. Battletech is still being enjoyed 40 years later, while games like chess have been played for centuries. Will you be able to say that about any of the new 'flash in the pan' pump and dump games you mention? I doubt it. How about you compare the actual merits of the various games for once, instead of just shilling the latest thing that some paid influencer has told you about? Then we will have something worth discussing.

>>96029974
Battletech is clunky af and the lore is just for brainlets who can' into /hwg/. It only has "cheaper than 40k" to recommend it

>>96028511
Gundam sadly will be a game in the style of WH Underworlds. Nothing wrong with that per se, but it appeals to a different audience I'd say

>>96025896 (OP)
>How can Battletech survive?
Nogamez can not comprehend.

>>96025896 (OP)
>so you can finish a battle in under 10 hours

So, hand you never parked BT, or are you retarded?

>>96026729
Considering that 80% of war game fans are autistic, i think they'll be okay.

>>96026106
I thought so at first, but they always do Warhammer videos because they get shitloads of views
When they do non-GW stuff I think it's actually a legit interes rather than shilling for money.

there's a gundam game coming?

>>96030434
Gundam Assemble

>>96029974
Look I have played the game for years, I have played 3 big national tournaments, I enjoy it. But that doesn't mean it's good.
It's clunky as fuck and the game crumbles as soon as you play combined arms. I play plenty of old games, since every wargame ends up having a bad edition or just dies. Battletech has not died because of american nostalgia and videogames. I would never recommend the game to anyone unless they have a strong nostalgia for the IP

>>96025896 (OP)
Do these appeal to autistic Boomers?
If not then Boomertech will survive despite the best efforts of CGL.

>>96028663
Battletech override is superior to classic and alpha.

>>96025896 (OP)
Same way as WoW survived the Obama-era WoW-killer flood.

>>96030501
Explain?

>>96030531
Its a fanmade mix of alpha and destiny.
You still get target locations and weapon profiles but you don't have to deal with most of the clunky rules and tables of classic, it keeps the game light enough to play with 2 or 3 lances or proper combined arms without missing the battletech flavor.
The worst thing about it are the weapon ranges specially if you play with 3025 guns. We are trying to come up with a better weapon table.

>>96030496
Someday battletech boomers will start dying, considering the average american lifespan that time is getting closer and closer. That's when battletech will die for good.

>>96030555
/btg/ would raise pitchforks over such heresy!
>>96030565
It already has started to happen. Once they are all in the grave then that is probably when they'll do a complete reboot of the franchise if they want to keep it going. probably be worse than Disney tier

>>96025896 (OP)
> TC can't even release a final rule book
> Announced not! BT game?
A complete joke of a company

>>96030606
Which heresy? Actually being able to play with more than 4 models per side on the table? Or being able to play combined arms without cumbersome rules that require lawyer level of knowledge of the total warfare book?

>>96030698
Please understand, they have to make 50 more New Antioch subfactions.

>>96030698
>>96030961
Trench Crusades rules will be done in the next few months.

>trench mud
Who asked?

>>96026702
You haven't addressed the post you were replying to.

Have
You
Ever
Played
It/Anything,
Faggot?

>>96025896 (OP)
Hardwar is a terrible fucking name.

>>96030961
Black grail still sitting on fucking one

>>96031025
As already mentioned yes, since 2018.
And in 3 big tournaments 2 mechs per side 5 rounds. And you know what most people even veterans could not fully finish their games, most ended with at least one mech per side still fighting.
I was even able to talk with Randall Bills in person to tell him that Classic stinks and will die as soon all the usa boomers die, and I got a patch for it.

>>96030845
No anon don't you see you will play Classic Battletech Lance vs Lance till the day you die cause the rules are 100% perfect and totally not a bloated confused mess!

>>96031153
>yes, since 2018
Wow

I'll ask anyway, what took so long? Which operation took the time? The way I remember it, filling in the unused armor pips was the most time consuming part.

>>96025956
Why are you so obsessed with girlcock?

The only one i'm interested in is Gundam Assemble but I must admit i'm slightly skeptical about the hex-based movement they're going for. Seems very boardgamey more than your-dudes.

>>96032183
Caught one

>>96028511
>>96030069
I feel like Gundam Assemble will probably find its niche in the casual/pickup game format depending on how its rules turn out but it's also going to be one of those games whose popularity is a total rollercoaster depending on how long it's been since and how well-received the most recent franchise entry.

Battletech will survive as it always has. Games have come and gone. The only mainstream tabletop older than it is warhammer fantasy by a single year. Since then it has had it's core rules and units still remain relevant and haven't changed in 40 fucking years. You can very easily find and 3d print the models.

Whilst flawed, the mech and vehicle builder was designed to accomodate integrating anime robots in it- the game started because of dougram and macross.

Battletech will be a welcome game and brother to the mecha fans, not an enemy.

And for those who say hurf durf it takes 10 hours xdxdxd
It doesn't if you actually play the damn thing properly. A 4v4 is 2 hours, and much less if you use flechs sheets.

Battletech will survive. Your new games have to compete with it, not it with them.

>>96030845
Lance v lance is fine. And vee rules aren't hard, you're just retarded.

>Mech game
>Has tanks
For some strange reason, I hate when they do this.

>>96036109
It's weird how many people set Battletech up as the forefront of this imaginary east vs west culture war. But if it wasn't for Mech Warrior, I don't think I would've ever sat down and watched Macross and Gundam. Which would be a shame because those are like top 5 anime of all time.

>>96042663
There is a not insignificant portion of the Battletech fanbase that hates anime. Though to be fair many of those are vidya fans.

>>96036109
As someone that's been DMing a Battletech campaign for about a year and a half now, and it's been going fucking great, it's frustrating just how correct this post is. I really like Mechas and always wanted to run an actual mecha game, but every system I looked at didn't really gel with me, and every time I'd look at Battletech, I'd see people "hyping" it up as "Oooh, it's just charts, it's just tables, it's bad, it's boring"

Until I actually took a look at the fucking system and it's not remotely that bad at all. Like, yeah, if you use EVERY SINGLE ADVANCED RULE ON TAC OPS, sure. It's a bit bloated. But they're - y'know, optional rules. That also won't come up 95% of the time.

Turns out, you can not only run a Battletech campaign with four other players, where three of them never even touched Battletech, but do so smoothly and cleanly, and even without using Flechs Sheets. At minimum missions are 4v4's, and often are much more then that, and they go by just fine.

Anyone that bitches about Battletech being unfun or not approachable is either low IQ, or has never actually tried it. Fuck, you can even automate some of the more annoying tables on rollers if you really want, it's really not that bad. One of my players even tried to pull the "It's too complex" card briefly when we were doing mild mech customization, until I actually sat him down, and he sheepishly admitted in fifteen minutes - which was the t ime it too to adjust his whole mech - that he thought it'd have been way more complex.

Fuck.

>>96042879
I always saw it as more of a trait from tabletop nerds than anything inherent to the franchise. Sure Battletech has a lot of them but if you browse /tg/ or similar forums enough you'll find them all over.

>>96029989
Like it or not, there aren't enough games that can do the pseudo-historical game thing right. That's part of the appeal of BT.

>>96025896 (OP)
Imo battletech need to move on from a grid system and make a new game with larger and more detailed miniatures. Similar gameplay to Adeptus Titanicus.

>>96042663
>>96042879
I kind of wonder if this is just contrarianism; They bitch about how it isn't the Animu Chingchong Hyper Robot, but that gritty realism was something the Japs did first.

>>96042885
>But they're - y'know, optional rules. That also won't come up 95% of the time.
Indeed, it's stood the test of time for a reason.

>>96034946
Right in your mouth, fag.

>>96025896 (OP)
To play doubles advocate CGL now has the actual license to produce BT models without needing to rely upon agreement with IWM, as they now own them. So any restrictions on how/what/where/why for the models no longer exist and in theory they can expand on the model side of things or make it better. That being said it is CGL and one look at their history will tell you that they will manage to find a way to fuck this up either through their own incompetence or malice. Nor do I see them actually investing in in-country production for long term security etc. If another company can get decent product into store at a reasonable price with consistent fulfilment they can probably beat out CGL just by doing regular business. As CGL cannot do any of those 3 things currently. And this is all before touching on CGL's best efforts to kill the IP through mismanagement.

>>96042977
People already do that and play 28mm scale BT. The rules already support it. The issue would be model production since they can barely keep up with producing single pose zero option boxes at 7mm without making the prices dogshit for the quality.

>>96043006
>They bitch about how it isn't the Animu Chingchong Hyper Robot, but that gritty realism was something the Japs did first.
They will never acknowledge this. Trying to talk to them about it is like going back in a time machine, because their view on anime is hardwired to be like a 2000s parody.

>>96043006
>>96043115
I think part of the problem is that most Americans are going to be exposed to a very narrow scope of mecha anime and BT, while drawing from those anime, doesn't really copy them in function. You say Macross and people are going to immediately think mech spinning around a high speeds chucking out 100 missiles at a time, you say Gundam and people think 1 supermech tearing through 100 grunt mechs until the enemy supermech engages, you say Dougram and people think "what the fuck is Dougram?" So you get people forming reflexive opinions based on what they know rather than how BT actually uses its inspirations or works in general.

>>96043195
Bt is like 40k for lobotomised people into butt stuff. There isn't nearly enough comb8ned arms stuff floating about and those hexes were an opportunity to do somsthing Heroscapey with the terrain but they fucked that too. The actual product is not very nice

>>96043195
>You say Macross and people are going to immediately think mech spinning around a high speeds chucking out 100 missiles at a time
I mean, yeah no duh? The main character piloted a literal jet fighter. In its mech form, it moves only reasonably faster compared to the other UN Spacey mechs.
>Gundam and people think 1 supermech tearing through 100 grunt mechs until the enemy supermech engages
I'll give you this if you're talking about Wing, as that's where the series was introduced to America. But in the original series that is simply untrue.

>>96031153
you know i don't really trust anything you say because you're not providing your reasoning you're just kinda saying shit.

>>96043236
MSG failed in the USA after it was released following the popularity of Wing. So yeah, that's where the perception comes from (though MSG does have some elements of it). A couple of years ago Nozomi Entertainment revealed the most popular American Gundam entries were Wing, 08th, and G Gundam. And I'm talking about audience perception here. It's like the people who say that BT is slow, stompy land battleships because of Mechwarrior when MW is its own separate thing - and even that presentation was a result of hardware limitations that hasn't really held true in a decade.

>>96043442
Fair point. Though I am surprised 08th is that popular.

>>96043544
All three were on Adult Swim and/or Toonami. That is where filthy casual anime fans watch shows.

>>96043544
All of them are classic Toonami shows. 08th is popular because it hit more grounded notes compared to other shows of the same era. While MSG was getting aired in the early 00s as well, it was stuck on the Midnight Run block and was not only dealing with 20 year old design and writing sensibilities but also having the differences in budget and animation on full display when bookended by shows that were a decade and a half newer.

>>96043705
Being it back
>>96043723
MSG should've been put on Boomerang

>>96043705
That's where everyone in the 00s was watching anime.

>>96043442
>A couple of years ago Nozomi Entertainment revealed
tbf I think it might be different now. Gundam has blown up big again on streaming and with people importing gunpla. I now have physical gunpla stores in my location that aren't just deep in chinatown.

The main cause of terminal boomer anti-anime "mech not mecha!" is anti japanism and not having watched any. They all harrumph and go "well I'll give it a shot..." and watch only 08th, patlabor 2, votoms, whatever, and big surprise they always like it. For some reason they just plant their flags there and say "this first one I watched must be the only good one!".

>>96043236
>But in the original series that is simply untrue.
The Gundam, in the original, was more resilient than a space battleship.

>>96044114
Until recently you had to actively seek out a lot of even highly popular mecha shows and any barrier to access will automatically turn people away. Streaming has really changed that but for people not inherently interested in the genre or might only like a specific type of genre offering they're either not going to go far on their own or they're going to quickly get turned off by things not their liking if they have to actively search.

Personally I was shocked that 08th was so highly ranked or that G Gundam was once one of CN's biggest shows despite knowing they were popular. The poll was back in 2019 and I know that IBO had more or less restarted Gundam's popularity in America a year or two earlier. I also think that within the mecha fandom there is an undercurrent of "love it or leave it" mentality by some people that you have to like all genre entries or at the very least you have to like all the major genre entries. I have gotten no end of flak for disliking the majority of Gundam, I like Wing, I like G, I like Turn A, I like 08th (though my patience is worn pretty thin by the end of it), and I like War in the Pocket, but there is always a few people who take umbrage for me only liking 3 series and 2 OVAs out of a franchise with 50 entries. I like Full Metal Panic!, I like Escaflowne, my hands down favorite is The Big O, but I will get no end of flak from people who have never seen those three or even know what they are because I fucking hate NGE.

>>96025896 (OP)
You know, this isn't the first time some nobody game has proclaimed the death of Battletech. Yet here it remains, and no one even remembers those challengers existed.

>>96026702
>Battletech override is way better.
Override is better than AS, but AS is worse than Clickytech, so that doesn't seems to be that much of a hurdle.

I also haven't heard any comparisons to the other quick play mecha game made by groks, the name of which eludes me right now.

>override
>Alpha strike

is there a lighter format that still uses the hex maps? heroscape terrain is amazing for this.
Am i the only one that likes hexes and doesnt like tape measures?

>>96044761
While this true, and the og gundam was undeniably built to be stupid durable. Amuro still struggles against even Zakus and Gaufs early on, which are also shown to be more durable than those space ships that are made of paper mache

>>96025896 (OP)
>ll of these games are cheaper to get into than battletech
Gonna press x to doubt here considering the full investment needed to get into battletech is $0

>>96035637
It will probably do well in the collector sphere at least.

>>96043195
>I think part of the problem is that most Americans are going to be exposed to a very narrow scope of mecha anime
>>96045190
>Until recently you had to actively seek out a lot of even highly popular mecha shows
That's still a very narrow window of time; You'd have to enter into Mech fandom before the Internet and somehow not be exposed to the deeper transnational connections.

>>96043723
>While MSG was getting aired in the early 00s as well, it was stuck on the Midnight Run block and was not only dealing with 20 year old design and writing sensibilities but also having the differences in budget and animation on full display when bookended by shows that were a decade and a half newer.
Yeah, I personally didn't like MSG because Amuro came across as a whiny bitch.
It says something when I preferred Kira "Jesus" Yamato in the same situation, as SEED at least establishes he's a literal Engineered Super Human and the only one on the Earth's Prototype Mobile Suit Carrier that can initially even pilot the thing.
And even back then I could recognize SEEDs ham-fisted melodrama.

>>96044761
>The Gundam, in the original, was more resilient than a space battleship.
Yes and no, Lunar Titanium allows it to withstand stupid amounts of punishment, but what fucked everyone over was the rapid proliferation of Mega Particle Weapons.

>>96049204
>Am i the only one that likes hexes and doesnt like tape measures?
I mean it's normie brained, but having a clear standard prevents would-be fudging and guess work.

Hex maps are where I think CGL could actually make some gains as a sublet of a Publishing Company; Anybody can do plain scenery mats or square grids, but where the fuck do you find "Generic" Hex grid options?

>>96026480
Oilpan Jihad. You have to throw babies into your fuel tank to make your engine burn an Indian widow so you can fire Buddha Bullets at Abrahamic demons.

>>96025896 (OP)
I bought hardware models years ago when they were under a different name. It's all the same models. The mechs are whatever, but the armor and vtols look good.

>>96050626
strato mini's. I just remembered them. Have like 3 heavy carry-alls with a cargo container, 3 helicopters, and like 6 of various tanks.

>>96025896 (OP)
BT/hardwar/gundam are all cheap enough that like yeah, they occupy the same niche, but they dont actually compete against each other like actual full on wargames.

these games demand maybe $100 each tops, with entry as low as $30-40. you can comfortably collect all 3 on a minimum wage budget in only a few months, and the painting requirements are not at all time consuming since the mini count is so low. unlike an actual wargame where its hard to justify more than one because each army you're putting together is usually a minimum $500-600 commitment that can go upwards of $1000 easily and take months if not years just to complete a single force for one game.

the only spot they will actually compete will not be in the consumers budget or time, but in retail shelf space which is somewhat limited, but these games also dont take up that much shelf space so it isnt as fierce as like the warmachine vs warhammer shelf wars were back in the day where you had 2 games each with hundreds of boxes and blisters competing for wall space.

so i think these games can all 3 coexist without stepping on each others toes at all

>>96026702
>CBT is done for.
>main way people have played the game for decades.
I don't think you get out much bro

Looked up hardwar, is this just not another heartbreaker battletech game but this time based on alpha strike? This looks exactly like alpha strike. Did anyone even want alpha strike but better rather than a completely different attempt at a streamlined and tidied up battletech?

>>96025896 (OP)
>How can Battletech survive?
Um, by the people who like it continuing to play it?

>>96043918
Oldsters like me were still going clubs and dubbing parties, like we had been doing since the 80s. Part of me misses it. Going to party with what you had, a VCR, and a handful blank VHS tapes and trading for stuff. I had tapes that had shit like a ep of Dragonball, followed by an ep of the Dirty Pair, followed by some porny ultraviolent OVA. Getting any subs was a miracle and we loved every minute of it.

>Modiphius make a successful game
you havin a laff m8

>>96026480
BattleTech Gothic

Classic Battletech is its own thing entirely and nothing like any other wargame, it's more akin to a board game than other tabletops. People who like it will not be interested in other games, if they did they probably would have switched to Alpha Strike already.

Alpha Strike itself will also not be phased by any of these other games. Despite it being considered overly simplified (which it is compared to Battletech), as a stand alone wargame it has as much depth as any other.

>>96051900
>top left: Enforcer
>top right: Griffin
>bottom left: Rifleman
>bottom right: Archer
All these designs are just stolen Battletech ones lmao. Trenchfags can't even muster an ounce if originality.

>>96052698
>All these designs are just stolen Battletech ones lmao.
Technically for three of them they are stolen anime designs. Same idea though.

>>96051739
>I don't think you get out much bro
I mean neither do you without a Car...

>>96042548
Why the exclusion?

>>96049204
>is there a lighter format that still uses the hex maps?
Override and Alpha Strike. The conversion of movement ranges to hexes is pretty straight forward.

>>96025896 (OP)
Imagine making a new mech miniature game, looking to compete with battletech, and you decide to almost 1 to 1 rip off the urbanmech and expect no one to notice.

>>96052886
It being so derivative is another reason this won't succeed. The mechs just don't have the same appeal.

In general it's a shame mecha based wargames haven't had much representation. Heavy Gear Blitz is genuinely a fun game but has been stuck with no growth forever.

Obsidian Protocol was interesting and appeals to the Japanese Mecha side of things but almost feels like vaporware at this point.

>>96052698
tbf to them, they're from a free section outright advertising that you can use battlemechs in the game. Those aren't the units in the regular payed material.
>>96052886
And to be not fair to them, yeah it's still blatantly just a fangame. There's already a bunch of them, too. It'd nice if people would make some more gundam games or something instead for once, at least before everyone races to do so once the minis come out.

>>96052720
BT never stole any designs, all their anime designs were licensed. The lawsuit was Harmony Gold claiming infringement on their distribution rights.

>>96052124
Having come in during the early 00s scene, it came off more as a miserable slog.

>>96054074
HG as of now also lost and had their suit dismissed with prejudice. Even worse, they never had the distribution rights they were contesting.

>>96052886
You do realize the slav chimp that made this game started off by selling battletech knockoffs designed by bishop steiner, right?

And funnily enough that Buran looks more like an actual urbanmech than the abortion that is the new CGL one.

>>96054085
>Even worse, they never had the distribution rights they were contesting.
The whole thing was a mess for a lot of reasons since FASA might have also not had the rights for the Sunrise mechs they were using but overall we don't fully know since FASA didn't let anything go to court and Sunrise didn't seem to care.

>>96054074
>BT never stole any designs
I was saying it was stolen from the other games perspective. Like if you choose to copy BT mechs don't choose the ones based on anime.

>>96054415
>the abortion that is the new CGL one
what is wrong with you calm down

>>96025956
...Lancer?

>>96032183
Probably repressed transexuality. They desperately want to be trans but can't due to social pressure and seeing someone being openly trans makes them unbearably envious. Kinda like how all those homophobic priests are actually gay.

I got into battle tech this year because of how simple and pure it is, like you only need 4 models to play with a paper map, recoed sheets and some dice. I like how durable the models are, you can just chuck a few in a box and carry them with you.

>>96054085
For awhile HG was dangerous close to trying to claim any sort of humanoid machine fell under their distribution rights. Except Transformers because even they weren't stupid enough to take a shot at Hasbro.

>>96056768
FASA actually sued Playmates for copyright infringement over designs in ExoSquad.

>>96059870
>xcept Transformers because even they weren't stupid enough to take a shot at Hasbro.
Funny enough they actually were that stupid.
>In 2013, Harmony Gold claimed in federal court that Hasbro's SDCC 2013 exclusive set "G.I. Joe and the Transformers: The Epic Conclusion" violated their copyright license and trademarks on the animated Japanese Macross TV series (1982–1984).[25] On September 23, 2013, Harmony Gold's suit against Hasbro was dismissed with prejudice, and Hasbro was allowed to continue to sell the sets.

>>96051900
Dude, are you fucking with me right now? These are straight up just Battletech mechs. The bottom two are even designs they tried to license from Macross.

Are these dudes even trying?

>>96060499
Although funny enough not a mech.

>>96060503
>The bottom two are even designs they tried to license from Macross.
And the top right is from Dougram.

>>96060522
Is the Gryphon from Dougram? I know the shadman and wolverine are.

>>96060590
Yeah, originally based on the roundfacer.

>>96060610
You can see it with the unseen design.

>>96060499
I swear those fucks must have a really retarded legal team. Like bullying smaller groups is a thing but why the fuck would you try against Hasbro or later against Paradox.

>>96025896 (OP)
By being itself. Being a glorified 70s naval wargame makes it stand out from a bunch of streamlined skirmish games with alternating activations and some kind of reaction system that all blend into one another.

>>96025956
No, sorry, Gundam panders to that demographic way harder. And if lesbian space witches are not gay enough, there's Lancer.

For me, it's Battletech Gothic. Best of all worlds.

>>96052766
Seethe and dilate cartroon.
(You probably do it using the stick shift)

>>96043027
Idk man you just talked about them taking dick in the mouth, that's far more faggy.

>>96061274
Idk sis you just talked about them taking a dilator, that's far more troony.

>>96043099
BMR had official rules for gridless. I have to assume newer editions do too.

>>96061274
There's nothing more faggoty than being a namefag.

>>96061301
Nice cope bro

>>96061337
Maybe if you like rip your eyes out or stab them out both of our problems will be solved.

>>96061397
>no rebuttal
Concession accepted sis, tell your comrades on r/notjustbikes they're a bunch of gay fags for me.

>>96060657
I don't think they have any revenue streams left. From what I can gather they haven't produced anything since 2006 and their distribution arm was caught up in a bunch of criminal and civil cases in Italy.

>>96061413
>n-no, you're the troon!
Your projection really gave it away when you brought up r/ anything, stay away from kids and women's bathrooms.

>>96061458
>I don't think they have any revenue streams left.
They're a real estate company.

>>96061458
>>96062533
They're a mob front. Their legitimate business is dessert, they actually just launder profit from the real side of the businesses.

>>96060657
Usual Jew law tactic of suing you periodically and hoping you pay them to go away. Hasbro knew better than to pay gangsters protection money, though, and called their bluff.

>>96059870
>FASA actually sued Playmates for copyright infringement over designs in ExoSquad.
And would have won, because Playmates was blatantly intending to copy the Timber Wolf.

>>96056761
No 'might,' FASA never had the rights either, but had tried to purchase them in good faith, which is why Kikemoney Shekel's initial suit in the 90s didn't actually go anywhere and all FASA did was drop all licensed art, even the stuff they genuinely had the rights to.

>>96062591
Not rights, license of designs.

>>96062588
It was something like 8 mechs plus Elemental armor. But if you look at the toys you can also clearly see copies of BT licensed designs like the Longbow, Marauder, and Rifleman. FASA actually lost the lawsuit, but Playmates was rebuked in the ruling for intentionally making business decisions that forced the lawsuit, FASA was not required to pay for Playmate's legal expenses, and their appeal was denied.

>>96058088
I was surprised by how good of a deal the AGOAC box was. $50 for rules, maps, and enough units for 1 players to get a full lance. I even got a $20 coupon to their website. I feel like a shill even mentioning it.

>>96061458
I think they are banking on that Robotech movie playing out but it's probably dead. I'd be amazed the Japanese are ok with basically nothing being done with their stuff but mecha companies give no shits about western releases.

>>96042879
Its this weird strain of localization resentment in the US nerd community. There's also a contigent that sticks with Robotech and hates Macross.

To them, localization purifies the dirty Japanimation filth.

Also they're resentful of Japanese mecha being more popular than Battletech's "realistic" designs, even though there's nothing realistic about armies preferring giant high profile vehicles when there isn't any mobile magic bullshittium to make them better than tanks.

>>96045190
Personally speaking I like Gunpla but I've never been a fan of most of the shows. Favorite real robot shows are Full Metal Panic, Macross Delta, and L-Gaim.

>>96070816
>localization resentment in the US nerd community

It extrapolates across many different games, genres and hobbies tbqh.

Americans are very individualistic and have a competitive advatnage mindset that makes them really egregiously friendly and then somewhat disagreeable and then nakedly exploitative lol

I have been lovebombed by so many American fellow travellers in tabletop and learned not to take anything they say seriously. They arealso weirdly anti intellectual and incredibly gossipy. No I don't want to be in your Discord. You can bitch without me.

>>96062741
The mechs in question were reprints of die-cast models they'd released for Robotech ten years earlier. Also the Battletech toys sucked ass compared to the Exo-squad toys, and E-frames were about as similar to the B-tech Elemental as they were to the Cobra SNAKE from GI Joe.

>>96052905
HG Blitz had problems with writing rulebooks for people who already knew the rules, and the switch to plastic left DP9 on the outs with retailers for awhile. It looks like it's getting picked up in my FLGS at least.

>>96042971
BT is terrible for as a pseudo-historical game.
The rules itself produce completely ahistorical results the majority of the time and encourage completely ahistorical behaviour,
and the pseudo-history completely fails at providing adequate reasons for the conflicts of the game to happen as they do, while also being completely illogical.

Comparing Battletech to a historical is the number one predictor for mental retardation, it's an arcadey shitshow with a vaguely related telenovela.

>>96070953
It's pseudo-historical, we already said as much.

>>96070978
Pseudo-historical means "The history is fake, but otherwise it's a historical game" and not "the fake history was written by retards and is almost entirely unrelated to how the game functions".

>>96070953
Meanwhile, in actual historical conflicts:
>Next came the Siege of Chatlebook, named for Chatlebook castle which was located 6 kilometers away
>the siege, a pitched cavalry battle on an open field saw the forces of the Kingdom of Austria and the French Anti-Catholic League under the command of Cardinal Silvio the Lesser (later Pope Urban the XVIII) against Count Juan y Falco, Prince of Cornwall leading a combined force of Huguenot mercenaries, Spanish men-at-arms, and Dutch musketeers
>ultimately resulting in a draw, the siege let to negotiations that saw Duchess Agnieszka of Krakow wed to Baird the Clubfooted, Earl of Aberdeen and the couple proclaimed Queen and King of Bavaria
>this action proved pivotal in the ultimate resolution of the War of Norwegian Succession in favor of Portuguese interests

>>96071299
>Meanwhile, in actual historical conflicts:
>[completely made up nonsense]

>>96071155
>fluff unrelated to gameplay
Imagine.

>>96071299
Filtered. Niggaz really be listening to 8 hours of lore about the Business Secrets of the Tomb Kings or lore about how the Emperor is kept clean but freak out at any information in any format that might be deemed learning, no matter how brief.

More exciting stuff happened in history than anything Dan Abnett came up with which is why Dan Abnett reads history. Probably

>>96070953

Nothing you said is true and you can't provide examples.

Battletech is pseudo historical because it's been steadily advancing the plotline for good or ill for 40 years.

Primarily, however, it's pulp, which is why half of the factions are barbarians who fight in ritualized battles

>>96072501

The Inner Sphere are the barbarians, spheroid. Shut the fuck up

>How can Battletech survive?
By having soul and not being a cheap copy

>>96072594

if I was CGL I'd be much more concerned that the youth adoption rate is a bit too slow but anyone who thinks someone with like 50+ battlemechs is gonna go "WELP, NEW SHINIES!" and just play gundam instead thinks the entire gaming public is just ADHD whales

>>96025896 (OP)
>Trench Crusade guys doing their own Battletech
Lol trying to diversify your product line before you even have a financially successful flagship product is one of the biggest indicators of a business exit scam.

>>96072602
Not if the facebool groups are anything to go by. Loads of guys having babies in their 40s and forcing it on their 8 year olds as Math tutoring. 3D printing will decimate the model within 20 years anyway.

>>96073188
>within 20 years
only 20 more years bros

>>96073411
considering how many good 3d btech things i have, especially terrain it's really a matter of accessibility at this point.
I heard banbu's newest FDM can print minis very well and it's very compact.
you get an compact FDM as opposed to a big clunky PPE, wash station requiring SLA (i mean you should still ventilate your FDM use good filters to avoid inhalation but it's not as toxic) then anyone could do it.

>>96070953
>battletech is X
how is it X?
>assertions.
I don't know how this follows, do you just like to shit statements of facts from that front facing sphincter you call a mouth?
all games have an element of "arcadey shitshows", including historical. the game works as intended.

>the fluff fails.
provide examples, break it down, what's the issue?
is it the dork age? is it the succession wars? Amaris?
I'll concede some issues here, a lot of battletech's fluff is subject to humans rather than the scraps of material facts stretched to it's limits by centuries of people trying spin the truth out of oyster shells and coins.
it means things are going to be wonky a times, it's fiction.
but the i don't think what you say follows.

>>96025896 (OP)
>>all of these games are cheaper to get into than battletech,
Source?

>>96029989
>nd the lore is just for brainlets who can' into /hwg/.
As opposed to..?
Also, /hwg/ itself is just incest toddler of /k/ and /pol/.

>>96076159
not all,
the only ones i know is, is Gundamn, it's like 11 bucks for the starter, it's a small game.
roughly on par with the starter for B-tech starter for price but with more and higher quality models.

>hardwar
half the models of bigger starters for about the same price.

>trench crusade
well you could pirate everything, but i mean battletech.
the actual minis will be extremely overcosted in terms of STL and physical prices.

so yeah bandai wins i guess

>>96076516
>Gundamn
Isn't boxes prices around 35 amerimutt presidents for 4 models?

>>96025896 (OP)
>How will they beat this crowded market?
Aesthetic
Setting
Community

>>96076724
Zamn, it's like Gundam but for heterosexuals!

>>96025896 (OP)
> CGL/Battletech just fucked?
CGL? Hopefully.
Battletech itself? Have you missed the last 30 years?

>>96076709
>>96076516
No and no. Gundam Assemble (the miniature game) hasn't been released and we don't know the prices.
For the card game, they released some special packs that have a deck and 3 assemble miniatures to use as tokens, as a promotion for the upcoming game.

>>96025896 (OP)
Battletech is the ONLY wargame I have always, always found a table playing. It's always 2-5 dudes(or some trans now) playing quietly and friendly in a corner, week after week, at the LGS. There will be people playing battletech in 2090, even after mechs become a real thing.

>>96029989
The lore is what actually allowed BT to keep such a big footprint. Heavy Gear is arguably a better wargame (especially if you want somewhat bigger battles) but they mismanaged their lore part, by not really investing into it, and that means they never will have the same popularity as BT.

It's the same with 40k. Wargame and models was what started it, but it was the expanded lore and the whole universe that bought it true staying power.

>>96076516
All I need to play Battletech is a pc and a printer, and a pair of dice and pen, just saying.

>>96076779
Uniform is from Starship Troopers.

>>96042548
Yes? That's kinda the point. You want mechs as you mains and then tanks, infantry and whatever else as cheerleaders/support so that your mechs could look cool while fighting them.

>>96072587
>almost all of Clan politics are thinly veiled excuses to challenge someone to a deathmatch
>the parts that aren't are thinly veiled excuses to engage in genocide and slavery
>have to carefully regulate said deathmatches or everyone will cheat
>everyone cheats constantly to the point they have regulations for the cheating
>they're completely ignored

>>96025896 (OP)
Same way it always has. By being the better, cheaper game with a playerbase that is small but decades-loyal to playing Battletech and completely disinterested in NEW THING COOL WOWIE!

If Battletech survived a half dozen rivals, the Italian mob, and all three of its primary license holders trying to kill it, what makes you think an upjumped patreon scam like Trench Crusade will land the fatal blow?

>>96076516

>11 bucks for the starter

source?

>>96079412
I was wrong, got confused because of the card game shit.

>>96043442
That survey was before Witch from Mercury got big though; that one pretty radically altered the perception of Gundam in the US

>>96078230
That’s not actually true for Heavy Gear though, it actually put out a huge amount of lore (picrel). The difference is that Heavy Gear lore is incredibly autistic and expects people to pay attention to stuff like in-universe debates over political philosophy and the specific logistical chains involved in performing orbital resupply because it’s written by and for people who get off to stuff like >>96071155. Meanwhile Battletech is largely warmed-over Arthurian and WWII stereotypes, which can be easily comprehended by anyone.

That and the Heavy Gear fluff books were out of distribution for like a decade.

>>96025896 (OP)
>all of these games are cheaper to get into than battletech
Cheaper than a book and a mapsheet?

>have simplified gameplay
So they're not battletech competitors.

>>96025896 (OP)
>so you can finish a battle in under 10 hours
anon...

>>96043099
The fuck do you mean, 28mm scale BT?

They're using 12" to 15" tall models?

The tanks and walkers look pretty cool, though the mechs don't impress me.

>>96080401
They should have done a bit more of a push on Jovian Chronicles considering the lore is just Gundam Z/ZZ/Crossbones with the names changed and thus easier to grasp.

>>96081369
Jovian Chronicles got fucked over by the fact that none of the people working on it agreed on what they wanted it to be which resulted it being completely incoherent

Then the attempt to relaunch it as Jovian Wars got fucked over by the fact that Dave decided to go with the single stupidest dice system of all times

It’s under rework at the moment so who knows if lightning will finally strike (pun intended)

>>96078230
I said earlier in the thread but the biggest hurdle HG has is that the HG Blitz rulebook is written primarily as a rules reference for use at the table and not as an introduction for people new to the game. There's a ton of edge cases and lawyerese included in the rules that make conceps such as signal and lock on read as a lot more complicated than they actually are, acting as a barrier to new players.

It's very strange consider Heavy Gear (The RPG) was written by the same people and is quite readable.

>>96062901
Same. It's one of the few wargames I can recommend to my normalfag friends as it's so reasonable and complete. It's sold at regular retailers at MSRP like Target, Barnes & Noble, and Amazon too while most wargames are only available from specialty stores.

>>96080704
Hey, at least they would work as good models for custom BT vehicles.

>>96080550
Yes. People print off big BT models all the time as projects. Literally just scale up a BT model 4x and it is then 28mm. In regards to anon's suggestion though usually a 14-15mm scale is best for that sort of game as still decent sized model but not massive. The BT models are already at the same scale as Adeptus Titanicus, they just lack good detail on the models.

>>96080401
At that point you're reaching into distinctions within the historical category because there is a difference between the guys playing Bolt Action and the guys playing The Campaign for North Africa.

>>96080704
Looks a bit like something from Killzone?

>>96050018
>Yeah, I personally didn't like MSG because Amuro came across as a whiny bitch.
Weird. Amuro is a very relatable protagonist. War being as traumatizing as it is exciting is very human and understandable.

>>96087164
Maybe, it doesn't help that I caught the series during one of his Wangst episodes where he bitches about being the only one able to pilot the Gundam when Sayla is able to get the thing out of the launch catapult.

Again, at least Kira has the excuse that he literally is the only one capable of controlling a Mobile Suit at the time due to being a Coordinator.

Have any of you played Flames of Orion? How does it stack up vs. the other games mentioned?

>>96083361
Yes but HG is the former, it's really all about how much you need to think to get the setting

>>96025896 (OP)
By outliving them as per usual.
Though I am looking forward to Gundam Assemble.

>>96089854

It has no chassis meta to it, so every mech generally is the same, so the models dont matter. it is still better than alpha strike

>>96076724

>aesthetic
sure, its definitely its own vibe
>setting
"fall of rome in X" isnt that unique
>community
lol
CGL is a terrible shepard of the community

>>96096000

Do people not play with the chassis rules in the optional rules section or is it still not enough to move the needle for the meta? I’m a big Mordheim/Necromunda fan so this looks like it’s up my alley but other than convincing locals to play I’m not sure what the community will be for me.

>>96043228
>itt. Phoneposting faggot
The second the tranny thing comes up,

>>96031153
Lmao you shut that faggot up

Reminder that BT is older than 40k. It will outlive you.

>>96025896 (OP)
Battletech is unkillable by virtue of the fact that it isn't run like a business, through incompetence if nothing else.

Everytime something else tries to seemingly replace battletech its actually trying to catch the coattails of warhammer. They're always serious business ventures that will vanish if they don't make serious money in a couple of years.

Battletech meanwhile is what it is right now because for decades people were playing it despite there often being little to no coherent, clear central support, despite official models being frequently unavailable, because people liked the accesibility of the low model count combined with the denseness of the gamplay, because they liked the ruleset that much, and because they liked how the ruleset didn't change and nothing was ever removed from the game precisely because there was no smart company at the centre of it all being incentivized to do the same scummy adhd pocket snatching that companies like GW and its wannabes do.

Battletech can't die. Every company with any rights to it can go under and that just means it goes into winter mode and the community keeps it alive until in ten years the rights settle with some new company that does a new soft relaunch with models that make those of the previous generation look janky despite lagging well behind the current industry standards. Its the most durable game in the industry.

>>96099931
>liked how the ruleset didn't change
I dunno why people say this, I hear it all the time and battletechs rules have changed a lot. It's had constant balance tweaks and sweeping changes and retcons and new introductions and all kinds of shit is different now to it's early years. The fact is that the every company that buys it sticks its finger in the pot and gives it a big swirl.

I think it's mostly just a warhammer thing to completely rewrite your rules every decade or so, and of course we all live in the shadow of warhammer.

>>96025896 (OP)
Battletech has vidyagaymes and for better or worse, this makes it unkillable. I wager a lot of the new tabletop players joined via the PC games. I myself found Battletech via the Mechwarrior 2 game. Battletech is also very wargamy and "realistic". Gundam has mutated into the super robot genre over the years and is more 1 vs many type of genre.

>>96100467
There is that power gap between different gundam mechs but in fairness other wargames like warhammer also work around inconvenient lore like that. Like one space marine could in lore often beat a hundred guardsmen, but that's not what the tabletop is like for obvious reasons.

I think the bigger problem with the gundam game is that even if you just made better mobile suits moderately stronger, they're fucked by the timeline and alternate universes. They're just releasing any and all mobile suits as models, to all be played against each other, even though it makes absolutely no sense for many combinations of these things th be fighting each other. People like to feel like they're playing out scenarios that could happen in a universe, and evolve is doing absolutely nothing to enable that huge part of the appeal of miniature wargames.

Yes there are different eras of battlemech, but there aren't multiple universes with seperate sets of mechs for one thing(at least not in the same game system), and for another thing the timeline isn't just mechs consistently and rapidly improving to the point of pretty much invalidating ones even a decade older to the point they would be extremely unlikely to appear on the same battlefield in the first place.

>>96100556
Gundam has a different ecosystem. You're absolutely pissing money away if you decide to make a strict timelines only game when half of the income of the franchise is in these different timelines. They've already stated there's going to be narrative play support, or you can just play with only UC or whatever if you want to. They know it's an appealing thing, they also know that 1 billion people will buy seed mechs.
I mean even pseudo-historical stuff like bolt action or flames of war separates the different fronts and eras from each other if you want to play along with those standards, it's not like it's a killing blow to a much larger game to ask people to use different things for different times and places. A gundam army is gonna be like 4-8 models. It's fine.
>>96100467
>Gundam has mutated into the super robot genre over the years
G came out in 94, and was the very first AU anime.

It's generally clear you have to treat something different when it was made to be a tabletop game and all the setting is designed around playing a game, and when it wasn't.

>>96031153
People like you have been saying that when your mother was still turning tricks at the truck stop. And they still will be when you join the 41%. And Battletech will still be Battletech.

>>96100467
Battletech isn’t even slightly realistic and people get mad when you try to make it moreso

>>96100881
>not realistic
oh how are you doing that?

>>96100467
>>96100784
The original MSG is arguable a super robot anime too, at least when considering the RX-78-2 vs most anything else it comes up against.

>>96025896 (OP)
>>Trench Crusade guys doing their own battletech

lmao, Lol even.

>>96025896 (OP)
Not even CGL can kill battletech.

>>96100467
>Battletech has vidyagaymes and for better or worse, this makes it unkillable
The game series is almost dead in the water, 5 was already only good with mods and after clans didn't do so good they've cut down the dev team.
>>96101543
Super robot at its simplest means the mech is like a super hero. Amuro doesn't snap his fingers and summon the power of gundam to punish evil or something. It doesn't talk to him or turn super saiyan or shoot a love beam that turns bad guys good.
It's just a mech with an advanced weapon and tough armor. It's as super robot as an atlas is.

>>96032183
>>96058040
There is only 2 genders & you will never be a real woman, just a guy with an axe wound.

>>96099931
>and because they liked how the ruleset didn't change and nothing was ever removed from the game precisely because there was no smart company at the centre of it all being incentivized to do the same scummy adhd pocket snatching that companies like GW and its wannabes do.
And funny enough when such a company is in charge(CGL) their attempts just don't usually work, as Alpha Strike has done little to grab market share from GW compared to CBT.

>>96025896 (OP)
Gundam is probably the only thing that will have any staying power and that's purely because of the models not the game. I'd give the other ones a few years to build a niche before going into that quiet night.

>>96104273
The clickshit didn't work, either.

>>96031153
That image is the first image that popped up on Google image search when I typed in 'operation reunification battletech patch'. And it's from a Reddit thread of all things. At least fucking try.

>>96030845
Read the rules, so you can at least bitch about the game in a believable way.

>>96050561
Is it bad I would believe that real with how bad they fucking are with their lore and all. (I swear the only good thing about them is their art, even then it's very hit and miss for me.)

>>96080704
Aren't those tanks just ripoffs of Battletech Quadvees?

>>96080704
>>96110897
Those look nothing alike.

>>96030555
>We
ad, buy one.

>>96025927
And even then, Gundam plays completely different and fills a different niche of Mecha wargame. OP is a faggot.

Oh no! I'll just have to keep playing Battletech like I always have.

>>96080704
Scale comparable to BT? The aesthetics on those vehicles are just what I like.

>>96116335
>talking about homebrew is bad

>>96096020
>"fall of rome in X" isnt that unique
neither is most fantasy stuff but "feudalism is space" is definitely "elves and orcs" for a lot of people, done before but exactly what they want
I know it's the stuff I like