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>Previous Thread:
>>96021994

>Thread Question:
What are you hoping is revealed for Fantasy during the summer preview on the 18th?

>>96033230 (OP)
More Tomb Kings. At least an AoI and one new model. Character would be fine, but a new unit (or refreshed old one) would be ideal.

>>96033230 (OP)
>TQ
Anything really just happy Fantasy is back
>>96033162
>>96033148
Thx, I'll probbaly avoid those lots unless criminally cheap. One more question is the Slann now unable to join temple guard? It looks like based on the temple guard rules it's supposed to function as Slann hovers near but not directly in the unit.

>>96033278
The Slann does not join units. However, there are community rules that are largely accepted that corrects that and many other fundamental issues that legacy factions deal with.
Google Old World renegade rules and you'll find them. It's fine if you don't use them but it's kind of like turning down water in a desert

In TOW, is a Bloodthirster still something to be feared or does it just go pop if you launch it at an infantry block?

>>96033230 (OP)
>TQ
It's going to be Dogs of War, but as for what I would want that to constitute, I'm not sure.
Some new plastic kits and an MTO of the old Perry models as well would be my high mark, I don't think GW will reach at minimum. I'm just going to expect an AJ with some mercenaries options and campaign rules, since GW themselves said that was coming down the line in the core rulebook at the bare minimum.

I’m designing a Tilean city based on Albania. Does anyone have any cool looking Albanian or Balkan models?

>>96033324
The changes to infantry is an issue for it. Impetuous forces it to potentially make charges that would leave it unsupported.
Now that it has to make a ldship test it is more reliable but you would be better served killing cavalry then just slapping a bunch of 5-12 point infantry.

>>96033333
The only thing I know about Albania is that king zog smoked an insane amount of cigarettes daily. Something like 200 cigs a day.

>>96033326
No cap if it’s dogs of war I’m going to coom. I have been holding out buying Cathay in hopes of Kislev but Dogs of War would be an army I would start 100%. I love that part of the Warhammer world.

>>96033308
>Old World renegade rules
thanks anon, yeah it looks actually not a power wank retarded fan patch so to speak. appreciate it!

>>96033230 (OP)
dogs of war is the most I can realistically hope for and even that is reaching if one were to include almost everything
>estalian pavise regiments
>estalian armored pikemen
>estalian conquistadors
>estalian duelists
>galloping guns
>tilean crossbowmen
>tilean crested pikemen
>tilean leopard companies
>tilean birdmen
>marienburg manann blades
>marienburg landship (retconned to fit)
>halfling archers with hot pot
>dwarf slayer pirates
>arabyan desert raiders
>kruegar cursed company
>marco colombo (long life potion)
>paymaster with chest (ex mydas)
>paymaster on horse (ex lietpold)
>mercenary ogre (from mordheim)
>mercenary general on horse
>mercenary spymistress on horse (ex lucrezia)
>sartosan vampire pirate with thrall
>sartosan pirate captain
with one army of infamy to represent pirates, losing access to many units while gaining access to some stuff you have to convert from free militia and various blackpowder units.

Dogs of war fags are even more annoying than Arabyfags

>>96033462
Dogs of war is cool and very Warhammer fantasy. Araby is a distinct concept like Cathay was. Read gotrek and felix.

>>96033474
Lorebeards just had an episode on Araby

>>96033489
Is that supposed to mean something?

>>96033489
Araby is hopefully never coming to tow because the Anglo faggots at GW would completely sanitize it like Cathay to avoid insulting non white peoples with anything less than a fellating depiction.

>>96033326
I fucking hate the Dogs of War because its just a hodgepodge faction that makes me wish actual money was invest into its components to make proper factions.
Amazons? Get fucked.
Albion? Too bad.
Halflings? Lmao.

>>96033462
I think Araby would be neat, provided they didn't give it the agitprop treatment like they did with Cathay.

>>96033489

How about we flog people who call fluff lore and "loretubers" especially.

I don’t care for human factions.

>>96033489
Correction: andy law had a spergout about crusaders being good guys.

>>96033541
Should they be called fluffybeards then?

>>96033547
They were never the good guys when some of them became literal cannibal mutants.
It was a normal war, the Bretonnian's spun it to make themselves look good, and the Arabyans can do the same.

>>96033522
Cathay is a tyrannical police state with state-enforced atheism ruled by racist dragons who think themselves superior to humans and are openly genocidial towards the ogres but they have bad points as well. And it’s still better than letting the little slant-eyed savages govern themselves.

>>96033544
fantasy would be a really generic shit setting without them.

>>96033580
the arabayans were evil invaders led by an evil chaos sorcerer while the crusaders were liberators and chaos slayers.
it's not deep.

>>96033589
Its becoming a generic setting because of them rather i'd say. Cathay just makes it worse.

>>96033585
That’s total war Cathay, now GW old world Cathay.

>>96033604
>this is what bretfags actually believe
Out of both regiments of renown to come out of the crusades one was cannibal chaos worshippers formerly crusaders, the other are insane zealots that were driven out by the locals with force of arms because they'd periodically start killing people unprovoked and are referred to as foaming at the mouth.
They're not the good guys, and never have been.

>>96033462
>>96033539

Tasteless plebeians, potentially Reddit-browsing autogynephiles too.

>>96033747
You're conveniently ignoring the knights that represented the bulk of the crusading forces and spawned multiple orders of good guys.

>>96033345
Fair. I suppose I am asking is cause I got a Skarbrand and Herald mini so could prospectively make a 1500 Khorne army.

Just wondering if the Bloodthirster is as inclined to go POP as a Daemon Prince from WoC. If it is good at slaughtering infantry I'd be happy to go all in.

>>96033767
Many knightly orders aren't good, but I wouldn't call them evil either. They're a bunch of nobles and thankfully more focused on the dangers of their own land.
Except the knights panther, they still have a bone to pick with the region even though none have been there in centuries.

>>96033791
>Many knightly orders aren't good
Yes, they are.

Preyton! Where?

>>96033489
And why do we care about those two again?

>>96033824
The mould destroyed itself in intense self hatred

>>96033791
>Many knightly orders aren't good,
such as?
The Knights Panther are racist, but that's the closest to any of the Empire orders being bad or evil in any way.

>>96033824
isnt this just a chimera? Seems pretty redundant. The incarnate should be announced not that.

>>96033833
Andy Law helped write Warhammer as we know it. He may be a massive faggot and a symptom of the decline and cuckification of the Scottish people, but he still knows his warhammer

>>96033855
aren’t a lot of them secretly chaos cults or vampire fronts?

>>96033864
>Andy Law helped write Warhammer as we know it.
i don't see it, he was one of the writers for the Kislev book for WFRP2e and he did a bunch of maps for that edition as well but that kinda the height he reached to for influencing the lore, even his WFRP4e stuff is mostly irellivent since he "Quit" C7 so early into that editions release.

>>96033345
I doubt the changes to infantry are going to make much of a difference unless it has great weapons or something similar, another ranks worth of spears or hand weapons changes very little from a combat res perspective. You need like at least 28 attacks to get just one wound without a strength or ap bonus no matter what the infantry statline is

>>96033855
The blood dragons were originally a knightly orders of the empire>>96033860

>>96033892
No, unless you have some evidence of that to back up your statement.

>>96033947
what do some bald fucks have to do with the preyton or the incarnate

Done with another character for my warband "The brotherhood of the black sigil". Now though I think I need to paint up 20 more warriors with red chaos stars on their shields to match this guy

>>96033860
>isnt this just a chimera?
No, why do you think it's a chimera?

>>96033989
Looks pretty dope Anon, whats the story/lore behind your dudes?

>>96033989
Looks mint man. Love the black and red

>>96033585
Sorry gweilo but dragons don't force human to love them.

>>96033989
protip: if you make the red star painted in the blood of your enemy you can have fun without needing the stars to be neat, clean and precise.

>>96033906
Sylvania Map 8th Edition

>>96034046
what what happens in Crippletown

>>96034060
They used to be a friendly people, always willing to lend a hand, it led to their ruin.

>>96034011
It's a warband that was created by a chaos champion named "Throkkar Blackthorn" who was actually chosen by my mage "Saefrith Coldthorn"
The Sigil was stolen as a relic in the imperial city of Krugenheim and that's where the name comes from.
Pic related is my warriors and character so far. Currently working on additional 20 chaos warriors with halberds and after them I have 10 cavalry and at the end of the month I'll be receiving 40 3d printed marauders to work on.

>>96034091
10/10 would fight against or alongside your dudes on the battlefield in the name of the ruinous powers

>>96034046
gotta be honest here the rot with AoS map hellscapes started in 8th.

>>96034091
you know, even though we all know they come from the north, its rare to see snow basing for WoC. But man, does it look good. Well done anon.

>>96034112
>mfw the shining hog runs by

>>96034026
>give humans anime waifus
>They love you unconditionally
Amazing.

I know that THE OLD WORLD has made changes to the lore, such as that there are now female knights in Bretonnia. What other changes has the old world made?

>>96034112
>>96034121
Thanks anons. Yeah I wanted to give them the feel of coming out of a blizzard upon the empire so snow bases and a more "colder" look was aways the idea.
Also, my army will be played very sparsely, I'm more building and painting something that fits the lore and there its very seldom dragons and shit involved. Instead I will have lots of infantry, some cavalry and wagons and I'll also in the future add beastmen as a meatshield.

>>96033782
Just be careful of what you are charging
A lot of infantry have at least 6 combat res but get a BSB in there and it can go higher
>>96033922
It won't die outside of an Empire/Skaven brick with multiple banners and some bad rolls, but it accomplishes very little to put it into something it'll never break.

Can they finally release this as a TOW supplement?

>>96034166
They actually did a almanak on how you, yes you specifically, are no longer welcome and that many lore changes you held dear have been strategically tweaked for maximum tears.
>fr there's some mis matches in the empire like marienburg not being a swampy little town, Cathay being shoehorned in as always being big, and several elfs not really prominent atm. But it's so far mostly minor stuff.

>>96034211
most definitely not, that was about the battle for black fire pass during karl's reign, and I doubt any of the minis were actually close to being finished or we would have seen them in the games days.

>>96034159
Kek

>>96034166
Find the idea of there being female bretonnian knights kind of silly (i know there's a Joan of Arc rip off but this is the old world) when you look into bretonnian's setting and what it's society is with women

DESU I like they would be better in the Empire, a all female knightly order of second or third born daughters and bastards would of work better and come off as more acceptable than with the bloody Bretonnians

>>96034203
I suppose what I am asking is: Is a BT decent? Cause on paper it seems vicious. Also aplarentky it reduces its instability wounds by 2 which seems better than DP.

Js the BT better than a DP at mulching infantry?

BATTLE BROTHERS FIGHTING TO THE END

GW nerfed the Ogre Blade. Are they ever going to address how useless some of the others are?

>>96034231
1st was Sigmar, and 3rd was Karl Franz, but when did the 2nd Battle of Blackfire pass occur?

>>96033547
What did Andy Law write again?

>>96034431
Gorbad Ironclaw Warrgh or Groms

>>96034259
NO MATTER WHAT THE NEW LORE SAYS, FOR ME THIS WOMAN WILL ALWAYS BE THE FIRST AND LAST FEMALE KNIGHT OF BRETONIA

>>96034481
Nothing said she was the only female knight, you're just a secondary making presumptions

Paint on Primer is easy and convenient to use

>>96033042
Late response but yes, Saurus are still good. Even better with the sword-and-board buff to armour saves.
Skinks don't have bows and regular skinks are pretty bad because skirmishers no longer have the in-built -1 to be hit by ranged attacks just for being skirmishers so with their T2 they die to a stiff breeze.
Unfortunately, skink cohorts are dead and Kroxigor aren't very good, either. If Krox got their 4+ armour back they'd be good. 5+ is just not nearly enough.

>>96034481
1st and last I don't entirely agree with that.
but CUTEST female knight, absolutely.

Finally found a base theme I can live with for my meadowglade speed paint glade guard. Just to do 13 more and then I finally have a decent "squad" fully painted
> then it dawned after swapping 1 unit of 14 to 2x 8 man squads in 2 games that I'll want 16 painted gladeguard, not 14 glade guard.
It never ends this ride...ugh. I'll never get back to my maidenguard.

>>96034761
>skirmishers no longer have the in-built -1 to be hit by ranged attacks
Huh? Is this a brand new change I didn't see in the FAQ?

>>96034808
Well fuck me, I was wrong. I missed that in the core book. They do have that in-built -1.
Well now they'll live just a little bit longer.

>>96034830
Skinks aren't as good because poison was nerfed bigly

>>96034830
I’m pretty sure you tried giving me a heart attack there

>>96034842
Oh wait, you're right. Poison was indeed nerfed fucking hard in the FAQ.
No more auto-wounds, just +2 to the wound roll if it was a 6 to-hit.
A stupid change that makes shit harder to track.

>>96034842
Really sad too, since Skinks were one of the only non-shit units Lizards had.

>>96034893
Everyone uses the renegade pack for legacy armies anyhow.

>highlands miniatures telegram group got nuked
noooooo

anyone have the gallia files? willing to trade eternal dynasties, sunland, or dwarf stuff

Seeing the changes that the old world has made to the lore, don't be surprised if the ridiculous things that appear in this image become canon in the future.

>>96035277
>new world half naked Amazon babe army, with laser guns and mercenary vampire cuties
I want it! Don't tempt me like this!

>>96035277
So Lusria is based in southern Mexico, isn't it?

>>96035277
Anon las guns being in whf wouldn't be anything new

>>96035403
Nah, it's South America so Brazil, Colombia, Peru, Ecuador, Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile, and Argentina.
Makes me think the Amazons rear Guinea pigs as cattle like real Andeans. I wanna try it one day.

>>96035277
>>96035403
Who is the artist of these?

>>96035455
search for it as a20t43c, no joke, that's what it's called

In a universe where the civilization of the races is inverted, I present to you the imperial goblins.

>when the Ogres began to war with the Sky Titans the Dragon Emperor shared the secret of black powder with the Sky Titans due to them also having roamed the world before the Old Ones
>the Ogre’s were winning anyways and began to renew their attacks on Cathay
>outright stated that Cathay’s Astromancers were the ones that brought down the warpstone meteorite to stop the Ogre’s attacks
>the Ogre’s were driven to the Mountains of Mourn, where they found and slaughtered the last of the Sky Titans
>stole their weapons and took the secret of black powder for themselves
>the meteorite became The Great Maw and granted the Ogre’s a form of magic
They had a rough time going about it, but this seems like it was a total win for the Ogre’s in the long term. Though I suppose from Cathay’s perspective they’re someone else's problem now.

>>96035667
Ogres really are lame

>>96035667
Why is Cathay behind so much shit in the world now

>>96034091
How do you do the snow anon? Mine ends up a bit thick.

>>96035667
>>96035857
Ogres are the setting gigachads. Imagine bullying Chinese into sending a genocidal meteor to wipe out your people. It kills 90% of your kin and instead of seething or crying you worship it as a god and draw more strength from it.

>>96035857
The Sky Titans deserved it

>>96035875
It was somewhat implied that Cathay was always behind the meteorite, though they made sure to write in plausible deniability before in the lore. Now the AJ was pretty explicit they did that shit.

>>96035125
games workshop is big enough that no amount of piracy will even meaningfully appear as a blip in their financial statements

but for smaller studios like highland miniatures or independent solo creators like many of those found on MMF, a single piracy ring can be so devastating to their income stream that it will be a bodyblow to their financials, and may even cause them to shutter over time if it gets bad enough.

i'm all for sticking it to GW, but you should really support independent creators and teams, especially those directly competing with GW, they need all the help they can get.

>new dwarf warrior kit that can be build as rangers
>new dwarf quarreler/thunderer kit
>new slayer kit
>new tk skeletons and skeleton cavalry kit
Those are the most important kits that need to be made before I will invest in the old world

Are VC worth getting into?, I dig their style, lore with the bloodlines with them being spooky ass vampires but I'm curious if they good or not to play as on tabletop?

>>96035875

>>96036045
avatars of war makes a passable plastic slayer and ranger kit you can still find floating around on ebay.

>>96036053
They’re a Legacy army currently, so it’d take a bit of extra work to make an army starting from scratch. AoS has a number of neat models that you probably could fit onto square bases, however they’re also rumored to be “soon” for being added back into the TOW with all the support that entails, but that’s an undetermined time off and technically a rumor at that.

>>96036053
throw em on rounds and get round to square adapter trays and you can get 2 games use out of them like daemons. always nice to get more bang for your buck

>>96035667
After failing miserably, the Cathayans had no choice but to humble themselves and offer tributes to the ogres.

>>96036073
Those Dread Harpies look sick

>>96036093
>throw em on rounds and get round to square adapter trays
please don't do this

>>96036073
His Minos are great

>>96036053
Vampire Counts have been a good-to-great army for decades. They're rumored to be getting a re-imagined army in TOW in a year or so and will probably be good then also

>roll out the green felt from the craft store
>a few foam hills in the corners
>some model train trees scattered around
>maybe add a building or farmland if a special feature is needed for the scenario
pure terrain kino 40kfags will never understand

>>96036263
i recently got a modular river made with 3d printed parts which i then poured clear resin on to simulate water ripples and i'm drooling it over, shit is so cool

>>96033230 (OP)
So will TOW 2e be set during a different period? Because ideally they'd bring back at least some of the legacy armies but before the 1e release they had to make every excuse to explain why they're not in the setting.

>>96036312
They're building up to the near-destruction of Kislev, siege of Praag and the Great War Against Chaos. After that, who knows? Vampire Counts are supposedly coming back soon

>>96036073
They're all fucking huge, those are 25mms they're on.

Looking at getting into ToW with my old WHFB - rebased into AoS, Chaos army. Would a Sorcerer Lord on Manticore, foot Sorcerer and mounted Sorcerer alongside blocks of Warriors, some knights and chariots be too mean to run? Everything with Mark of Tzeentch for the sake of narrative.

>>96036341
Traitor.

>>96036343
Had to play somehow. WHFB scene died when the original LGS here died and only AoS was a thing with 40k. Sadly, the LGS that took over died off too and my armies mostly took up space doing nothing. TOW gives me a chance to rebase and enjoy them once more. Just hoping I can use my Warshrine soon.

>>96033230 (OP)
>a mighty conflict occurs
>skaven inject themselves into the conflict because reasons
>lose
>claim they are the winners anyway
What the fuck is their problem?

bro im legit about to ragequit on this sentinel build. jesus fucking christ what a pain in the ass. nothing fits, everything is split into a dozen vertically sliced jigsaws, there are almost no guide pegs or mounting brackets for any of the parts, its all just weird flat on flat surfaces.

i've built master grade gunpla kits easier than this. shits a fucking nightmare

>>96036376
I'm just gonna use an anime figure. I'm not blowing over a hundred burger coupons for that.

>>96036341
No, that list isn’t mean at all post errata.

>>96036341
that doesn't sound either overpowered or underpowered to me, should be fine against type of player

>>96036370
Why are the retard reddit rats retarded and reddit?
It's in their nature.

>>96036045
Making a warrior/ranger and a thunderer/quarrler kit makes no sense. Why would you have the two crossbow units be the same kit? What parts would you even be able to share between rangers and warriors?

>>96036312
Not a different period altogether, it might get pushed a little bit further into the great war against chaos but that's only like 20 year jump

>>96036073
Man I think dwarves are just gay

I just want the 18th to come already so I can see if I should start a new army or wait for dogs of war or Kislev

>grail pilgrims available for sale
>grail reliquary out of stock
>grail knights available for sale
>grail knight command out of stock
What the FUCK is James’ problem?

>>96036439
Broh here's one for you
>centigors x5 cost the same as centigor x5 with command
And the command one comes with 5 normal spears to make 5 normal dude
Maximum keks

>>96036103
>Sky Titan... thimble?
>Greasus uses it as his slop bowl
Based

whats a well rounded 1k point brettonia list? looking for a mix of knights and foot troops but not sure how many points to spend on guys vs upgrades

>>96036407
Skaven are on the lower end of the Reddit spectrum.
Most to least Reddit factions are;
>Empire
>Chaos
>Lizardmen
>Goblins
>Brets
>Orcs
>Dwarves
>High Elves
>Chorfs
>Tomb Kings
>Vampires
>Wood Elves
>Skaven
>Beastmen
>Ogres
>Dark Elves
>Daemons

>>96036490
>Brets
>more reddit than (normal) Orcs, Chorfs, or Skaven
Shut up faguette. WoC are also Dark Elf tier when done right.

>>96036487
>well rounded
>1k point
You're doing it wrong + you own no models anyway

>>96036511
I have a 3d printer lol, I can print 1k points of models overnight.

>>96036518
>I can
You won't

>>96036487
Generally you want to avoid magical weapons on your knights as lances are what they thrive on.

>>96036525
Wanna bet? Literally loading stuff into Lychee now and my resin heater is already on. Is there a reason you're being retarded?

>>96036532
Makes sense. Are questing knights decent? I love the look of them but I feel like they won't be as good as lance knights.

>>96033326
>>96033398
If it really is Dogs of War, what the odds of them getting new sculps versus GW just re-releasing these old miniatures?

>>96036540
avoid the faggot who keeps telling people they're nomodels, he's deeply unwell

>>96036540
>I pirated a bunch of files
K. Weird, I still don't see any of your models

>>96036540
Sadly the lack of Counter Charge makes em quite weak. Sick models but not good.

daily reminder that mantic has a better interpretation of the vampire counts than fantasy ever will.

>>96036487
I sense a character on a Pegasus with heroic virtue and a pocket full of coins.

>>96036593
elaborate

>>96036645
The skellys are goofy looking dudes that are pulled straight from army of darkness. They're also much more better to build than the old stuff as well.

>>96035125

How about you support small independent creators instead of pirating their stuff you cheap nigger

>>96036540
Questing knights are a weird mix of cav that's better than other knights the longer the fight goes, but not really any tougher or that cheaper. Still, s6 attacks are never bad when on a fast delivery system.

>>96033230 (OP)
>Paycheck finally comes in.
>Cathay Battalion box sold out on GW's online store.
>None of my LGS has any in stock.
>Ebay has one that costs $249.99 (USD).
>Amazon is also sold out. Merchants are now charging +$200.

WTF is going on in North America? Why is it now so hard to get one?

>>96036894
Just wait like a month or a week or two.

Anyone got a cathay pdf?

>>96033230 (OP)
A friend wants to get into TOW and recently bought the big Tomb Kings box. I'm planning on setting up a game for him soon (1250pts) and Im wondering what kind of Skaven list would be the most fun for him to go up against.

I was considering maybe just infantry maxxing with maybe a hellpit/doom wheel or even just hiding Master Assassins in Rat swarms with a bunch of gutter runners for fun.

>>96036894
https://spikeybits.com/gw-decides-to-hold-grand-cathay-release-hostage/

GW is basically forcing LGSs who want to stock Cathay stuff to buy them in a bundle packed with Warriors of Chaos stuff.

>>96036490
Nope, are you retarded
It's
Lizardmen
Skaven
Dwarfs
Dark elves
at the top

>>96036996
That warrior box is soooo goooood though. Who would t want it?

>>96036996
wonder why GW chose WoC specifically.

>>96037010
Diversity hire in marketing said it'd look good to have the good guys on the shelf with their ancient enemies

>>96036995
If it’s a learning game just bring a few of multiple unit types.
Why 1250? Would it be better to start at 1k or even 500 if it’s his very first game?

>>96036995
A lot of people are adamant against buying any Age of Sigmar minis, even if they have the minis you want for your Legacy army. It's to avoid padding Age of Sigmar's sales numbers which could lead to for example, the Chaos Dwarfs becoming an Age of Sigmar exclusive army.

>>96037043

>>96037043
>the Chaos Dwarfs becoming an Age of Sigmar exclusive army.

Can't they just share miniatures between ToW and AoS? It worked for 40k and AoS with Chaos Daemons.

>>96037043
It basically boils down to buying second hand if you really want a GW sculpt, which anyone sane already does anyway.

>>96037094
No. If someone has a AoS army that they can use in Fantasy then that's a Fantasy army they're not buying.
You have to think like a soulless business executive that doesn't play the game and doesn't actually care. The same types that invest in a game company and get upset if they're talked to about the future of the industry rather than how to squeeze as much cash as possible quickly.

>>96037117
>No. If someone has a AoS army that they can use in Fantasy then that's a Fantasy army they're not buying.

Retarded. It assumes the player was gonna buy a fantasy army in the first place.

>>96037123
This is the company that made one of their staff stop a series painting, blight kings I believe, because it increased sales of the kit but they were unable to properly capitalize on it so they were actually losing money by making money.
They are retarded.

Khorne's Wife Part 1

>>96037133
Link?

>>96037142
Who asked

>>96037142
Unfunny dyke slop kys

>>96037043
Yeah who the fuck cares

>>96037142
This shit reeks of /aosg/, it's like how all the Skaven art there is just anime rat girls. There's just nothing about the setting that people give a shit about so all the scum (anime) floats to the top.

>>96037273
> There's just nothing about the setting that people give a shit about so all the scum (anime) floats to the top.
You’ve summed up warhammer.

>>96037123
Even if they were never going to buy a fantasy army in the first place, they make no money off of you playing it in two systems instead of one

>>96037287
You need rules for both systems. Fantasy isn’t a simple game like 40k where the core rulebook isn’t necessary if you’re new

>>96037283
/wfg/ artposts are mostly setting appropriate even if they're not direct-from-books Adrian Smith type sovl. That's why this faggot spamming art undergrad student Reddit comics is getting dogpiled

>>96037142
Khorne's Wife Part 2

I just know it
GW will release chaos dwarfs in AOS and they will be 100% usable in TOW
Total War's Chaos Dwarfs are perfect for AOS and so I think they will be the right scale
I can't wait
They will be my third army after dwarfs and wood elves

>>96037440
She has tzeentch at least.

I will be buying whatever that cowboy hat is for. Unless if it’s for votann.

Oh chaos dwarves are gonna have cows aren’t they.

>>96037442
the aos chorfs will probably look nothing at all like the warhammer fantasy ones. take a look at the horns of hashut warcry warband from aos.

>>96037464
>fantasy ones
Worse. They’ll be a faithful adaptation of the old metal chaos dwarves and not the forage world line.

>>96037471
I would love a MTO big hat
hell those rockets, mortars, and blunderbuss would sellout in seconds or be some massive sized order. But i kind of doubt they even have the molds saved
Also, the hobgobbos were pretty cool from that era.

>>96033333

Assault group and Perry miniatures have metal stradiots.

>>96033230 (OP)
Can I attach my screaming bell to a Stormvermin squad with a warp grinder and give it the ambusher special rule?

>>96034231
Didn't the Empire Command set literally come from that? I think the Orks got one as well.

>>96037142
>>96037440
I hate anime so much, I wish /tg/ didn't have to be on a weeb website. Everything anime touches decreases in quality and becomes feminine and sexualised to the extreme.

Allowing anime to fester in Warhammer will destroy it like a cancer.

>>96037520
>Allowing anime to fester in Warhammer will destroy it like a cancer.
Only for people that don't matter.

>>96037520
Lmao, pendejo.

Just got a hold of the beastmen banner bearer and it came with 2 bases 25/30, which one is the most optimal for the game?

>>96037599
25mm to stick it with gors, 30 foe bestigors but really I think either works
Can always just magnetize a 25mm base that's the "main" base to a 30mm for those specific cases too

>>96037520
Anime faggots have already killed 40k. See: the regular Tau gooner threads (watch as some autistic faggot swoops in to defend them).

So how do we tell the truth to these 3 idiots?

>>96037715
They just die while the gritty and brooding Brunner-type will live on.

Oopsie

>>96037905
I don't know what to expect from Dogs of War. Are they just going to resell the old Regiments of Renown (which wouldn't make sense) and call it a day or are we getting a proper updated faction?

>>96037905
that's GW for you

finished my wood elf lord

>>96037905
Nice.

>>96037920
I suspect it'll be a journal to be used as allied options with a resell or MTO of the old kits. They might update some to resin though.

>>96037946
Outside of character models, I doubt we will get any more Resin models.
GW seems to be trying to reduce the amount of Resin kits they produce, i would guess due to tax reasons

>>96037920
Dogs of war can be entirely built of historical and generic fantasy models so I’d just need the AC desu

>>96037715
Those are actually real in Warhammer anon. There are actually cities of gold and hordes of sexy blonde big booty Amazon waifus, unlike real life where it was all a ploy to get the Spanish to fuck off and die of dengue in the jungle.

>>96037715
The truth: they don't hide their tities.

>>96037952
I don't think that applies to Old World, they had every opportunity to move the entire range to plastic with a few multi-purpose kits like the Bret lord on peg and they opted for resin and metal to play on nostalgia. While they have been pretty low on stock with short availability windows I don't think that is going to change this edition. Does make you wonder how different the game launch would have gone with the original plan of new plastic factions and whether in hindsight they would be more confident doing full range refreshes.

>>96038039
>they had every opportunity to move the entire range to plastic with a few multi-purpose kits
that's not as easy as you make it to be, plastic moulds are a serious investment, apparently, and from what we can understand they weren't even sure about cathay, they had to wait for the first sales numbers for TOW to appear before they could "expand the project"

>>96038039
It applies to all the other specialist games like HH or Necromunda, all the new recent releases have been plastic except for characters, so I'm not sure why TOW would be any different.

>>96038050
Meanwhile WGA makes random bullshit like iguanamen with muskets in hard plastic.

>>96037933
Looks fuarkin sick cunt,
Is this a model or kitbash?

>>96037520
>Everything anime touches decreases in quality and becomes feminine and sexualised to the extreme.
Depends on the style.

>>96038108
>It's canon some dude shoved his hebe vampire waifu OC that knows kung fu and has a big butt into Warhammer and she genuinely loves his self-sert
Honestly? Based.

>>96038079

Look, Arab sheikhs need to use their money somewhere, gold-plated toilets and defecating on Slavic Instagram models gets old after a while, but hard plastic sci-fi spiders... Timeless...

>>96038108
Another official example.

>>96038079
Yes, that random bullshit is a big investment for them too, they try to maximise the use of their kits as much as possible and don't make them before relatively extensive polls to gauge their market's demands.
Just to clear resin/metal from bretonnia it would take at least 6 unit kits and 3 hero kits, that's not a small wave of models, even 40k has to trudge along with way less getting invested in the vast majority of its armies every edition, and 40k is the indisputable money maker.

Question, can a character (Ie. a warboss/oddgit) on a goblin wolf chariot mount, join a unit of goblin wolf riders? And if they can, can the whole unit (including the character) adopt a skirmish formation?

>>96036083
>>96036259
Thanks I keep this in mind, I might as well get something ready as fill ins when GW finally get off their asses to bring them back as a core army

You think I could get away with it by using Soulblight Gravelords models?, some of their models fit within og fantasy style enough work without coming off as too goofy looking

What if, instead of points requirements, we did the warmaster thing and have a min/max per thousand points?
If nothing else, it'd be really funny to see someone be forced to run 6 units of basic elven infantry at 2k.

>>96038163
The bloodknights are just too big, the rest you probably can fenegle them around on the larger recommended squares.

Where to find 20mm to 25mm base adapters that don't look like ass?

>>96038167
>If nothing else, it'd be really funny to see someone be forced to run 6 units of basic elven infantry at 2k.
Done, it looks like pic related, 300pts, now they have 200 more points to spend on better stuff, now you understand why it doesn't work.

>>96033767
>schutzstaffel with big cat pelts
>the supposed good guys

>>96038220
yes

>>96037905
Lmao It's true!

>>96038267
The normal Giant being there is a bit odd, isn't that just part of the normal Orcs and Goblin army right now?

>>96037905
>>96038267
confirmed on my end as well

>>96038267
>190€
what the actual fuck, is/was it resin?

>>96038267
Shut it down NOW

>>96038284
All 3 of those are part of the orcs & goblin army, but both giants and ogres are notorious mercenaries and were available as such back then, it makes sense for them to become dogs of war units now and become available for others too.
but it might mean dogs of war are not getting the ALBION giants.
perhaps they could be reserved for an albion themed arcane journal that adds these, the truthsayers, the dark emissaries, the fenbeasts, the fimir and belakor.

>>96038302
is big

>Dogs of War confirmed

>>96038311
The Bonegrinder and the Badlands Orge are already Mercenaries options in the O&G AJ, which other armies can take, but I don't think the normal Giant is.

>>96038311

>>96037905
While this is undoubtedly another TOW win, aren't a lot of the named regiments tied to specific characters that aren't born yet during the TOW setting? Will those regiments be renamed to "Tilean Crossbowmen" or "Reman Pikemen", or will GW start working on a bunch of new models and ideas? (probably the former considering this is GW we're talking about)

>>96037905
I've been able to see this for like 3 months

>>96038353
it's not difficult to make up excuses for those types of units to have existed in a similar way before

by the time of the old world, the blueprints for the birdmen contraptions have been around for 300 years, "conquistadors" have fared the exploration of lustria for 800 years, and decorations like the ones of the leopard company or the alcatani fellowship most definitely date to even older traditions, the rest is very generic arabyans, goblins, dwarf slayers, halfling troops or cannons
only the cursed company is a very specific thing, but that was most likely around by this time already

Best way to build Jade Warriors from the batallion box? One unit of 30 with hw & shields? 15 shields and 15 halberds? Or some other combination?

>>96038385
They'd still have to rename or count as almost every named character nonetheless which considering most had a special champion at least is a lot. So either new sculpts or asspulls

>>96038429
They can't take shield and halberds. You have to decide which one they are equipped with. I took advice from /tg/ and Im going to build 15 with shields and 15 with halberds. Makes painting them also bit more interesting. But I think I will play them with shields most of the time.

>>96038429
>>96038461
Sorry, misread your post. Forget my comment about shields and halberds.

>>96037905
The dogs of war were just let loose over my house.

>>96038449
>is a lot
by number, not by importance, it would be the smoothest asspull in their history.

>>96038466
A second dog has hit the webstore

>dogs of war
>not one single unit of hounds

>>96038497
>Posts anonymously
>World renowned cum slurper

>>96036001
>Highlands
>$100k monthly from subscriptions
>smaller studio
uh oh
>>96038429
hw+s is a better option currently but I'd build 10 halberds

>>96038519
Confessions of homosexuality go in /aosg/, mr. slurper.

>>96038484
Would still be a pretty lazy move

>>96038535
>Pedo hands typed this post

If you...
>post anime
>are a tranny
>use round base adapters
>play Cathay
>paint your models as blacks
>were born after the year 2000
>are a coomer
You should be banned from playing Warhammer Fantasy Battles (this includes Warhammer: the Old World). Simple as.

>>96038549
Those kinds of projections too go in /aosg/.

>>96038591
>Tranny hands typed this post

>>96038522

It is still tiny compared to GW.

>>96038577
What if I paint cute rats?

>>96038644
Define "cute"

What % of unit fillers is ok and what are some good ideas for Cathay

>>96038611
you don't need to sign your posts mate

>>96038681
25% maybe 33% of a unit at a push.
As for some unit filler ideas
> a supply Wagon or a pile of equipment
>Dragon Dance or Lion Dance puppet(IDK the correct name for it)
>an Orge
>a lower-level bureaucrat in a litter carrying around paperwork
>a floating prayer wheel(pic) attached to an ox or some other animal.

>>96038577
counterpoint: you are old

>>96038681
I'd argue that depends on execution, but you should probably use them sparingly so that every other regiment doesn't look unfinished.

>>96038681
20% is perfectly fair, 30% is pushing it.
>ideas for Cathay
war drum, war compass, supplies cart, altar to the dragons, stone guardian dog, smaller cathay sentinel, mercenary ogre warrior, smaller sky lantern, some dude doing kung fu on top of a palanquin.

>Bretonnians raping male peasants with truffle hounds is canon
Explain to me how the country hasn't fallen to Slaanesh yet.

>>96038681
Some gate portal carried on the back of the unit? generally I don't like portals or scenery as unit fillers, but cathay is one of those armies where you'll practically always end up playing them as an army deployed on some distant land, rather than defending their own, so a portal would help evoking their atmosphere even when in some other place, and portals give cheap and lazy excuses for transport and supplies.

>>96038793
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>96038793
The dog is trained to castrate the degenerates.

Presuming all base sizes and shapes are correct, would it be looked down on to use AoS' new undead models for a Vampire Counts army?

>>96037400
The amount of money made off rulebooks is a rounding error, not to mention it's the easiest thing in the world to access completely free

>>96038847
nobody cares if you use aos models unless it's one of those aos-exclusive armies: stormcasts, idoneth, kharadron, fyreslayers, lumineth, ossiarchs

>>96038847
Yes you will buy the grog skeletons otherwise you will be shunned from playing and James will personally smash your models

>>96038806
>>96038809
Explain what the hounds are doing that is merely painful and deeply embarrassing, yet they get extremely affectionate towards the truffle scented person and are very insistent in pressing their attentions. They only castrate after they've eaten the truffle.

>>96038522
>>$100k monthly from subscriptions

Anon you know they have a free option for subscription right?

>>96038888
>They only castrate after they've eaten the truffle.
which is found now on the skin of the criminals.

>>96038909
>one involves simply rubbing the truffle lightly on the skin
>the other involves actually crushing the truffle onto the skin
Learn how to read.

>>96038749
Battlemonks and the Monkey King were a thing in older lore I’d like to see. Though I don’t see how they do the monkey king outside of having him exiled.

>>96039053
They are still in the lore as of Total War Warhammer 3, just not implemented yet.

>>96038847
anyone who spergs about it isnt worth playing in the first place anon

Are elves or dwarfs more likely to fall to khorne?

>>96039226
Chaos Dwarfs were all originally Khornate, while Dark Elves were Slaanesh.

>>96039226
yes

>>96039236
What is the evidence for the former? To my understanding the dwarfs you refer to always worshipped Hashut

>>96039226
Elves, Dwarves are less likely to fall to Chaos than Elves and the ones who did worship Hashut,

>>96039258
3rd edition, before heavy retcons came down.

>>96039312
those are way after 3rd edition

>>96039320
Meant to reply to
>>96039295
Hashut really got all the parts of Khorne that weren't just hitting people. Khaine being the murder god has always raised an eyebrow. Not saying they're both really Khorne, but you can see the writer's DNA.

>>96037520
Warhammer is otaku-coded

>>96039295
oirignal chaos dwarves as a unit could only be taken in a khorne army (however all armies could include chaos dwarves in their warbands)

This was before the eastern chaos dwarves existed however, when all chaos dwarves were the decendents of holds lost in the far far north and the occational eccentric from down south

>>96038163
I'm using all of those models for my VC army in some capacity and managed to fit the Blood Knights on 25x50 cm square bases, so pre-Old World sizing. The skeletons I have on the old 20x20 squares and they were a fucking bitch to rank up properly but it's doable if you use a bunch of unit fillers (which you should anyhow)
The Blood Knights I am completely in love with. Some anons on this board may disagree and call them AoS-ified which is true to an extent but not as egregiously as with the other armies, and it fits right in with the 8th ed aesthetic.
The real problem is with the skeletons. Not only are they terrible to rank up but they're flimsy (supposedly easier to build as of the latest spearhead box) and their scale is just way too big. They tower over normal infantry. Eventually I'll replace mine with the older skeleton kit because they look so off compared to my Grave Guard. I guess you could sidestep this problem if you just buy all the new AoS Deathrattle releases like the Barrow Guard but then the entire army will just look mad weird compared to like the Empire

>>96039493
The blood knights are pretty aosified, but I think that's largely fixable by avoiding some of the dumber helmets in the kit and not using the fugly banner.

The skeletons are just wildly out of scale with the 2008 skeletons/other good skeleton options, and the uniform armor is kind of lame and too kislev themed

Vargheists have always been dog ass

The vampire is pretty cool, I don't even hate the bat hair

>>96038171
They fit on 30x60s

>>96039514
>not building the vargheists as crypt horrors
strigoichads...we lost......

I collect VC and I look down upon people who use Soulblight Gaylords to make their army

>>96039594
I look down on people who dont use mantic for their vc army.

>>96039610
I look down on people who don't carve their skeletons out of actual bone.

>>96035889
Superglue on some spots on the base and then I dunk it in the snow. I use Army Painters "Battlefield snow"

>>96039594
Don't worry, everyone looks down upon gaylords too, but only because everyone looks down upon vampfags of all kinds in general.

>>96039610
Mantic zombies are cool. The rest is dogshit. If you're not using recasts or 2nd hand purchases of 90s/early 00s VC minis you are beneath me

>>96039594
but like who asked?

>>96039642
You're free to ignore any posts that displease you.

I wonder if Dogs of War will be a soup faction outside of the regular stuff. Like how Imperial Agents in 40K is the Inquisitor faction, but part of that is letting you take units from other factions.

>>96039525
and on 25x50 for people who don't want to bother with the new base sizes

>>96039738
Oh wow, even better

>>96039720
Did DoW work for any faction? Are would they be Forces of Fantasy only.

>>96039720
An army entirely made out of metal/resin units at the modern price for them it's utter nonsense, so I fully expect the journal to either work only as a list of units to occasionally sprinkle in other armies, or to have extensive access to plastic kits for troops, the plastic units they could reasonably make use of would be
>free company militia
>knightly orders
>goblin mobs
>goblin wolf riders
>orc boys mobs
>dwarf rangers
>norscan marauders
should be enough to provide a bulk of the forces while the metal/resin regiments make up the prized parts of the army

>>96038681

>>96038292
>>96038267
>>96037905
Is this really new ?

>>96039754
Each model/unit had a list of factions it would work for
>>96039849
I think it will be like so, but even less options. If you're like the DoW obsessed anons here GW certainly wants you to show your pork belly and gib cash for 120$ 30 man squads.

>>96039894
>but even less options
would they be a dogs of war army then?
They cannot not give them dwarfs and goblins or they'd be missing the army cover's look
They cannot not give them normal marauders if they don't bring up the bearmen of urslo (and I doubt they will bring those back)
They cannot not give them normal goblin wolf riders if they don't bring up the hobgoblin khanate riders (and I highly doubt they will bring those back)
They cannot not give them orc boys if they don't bring up ruglud's armored orcs (and those weren't a thing at all in this period)

>>96039952
That's my point they'll just give them the character units mostly likely and IF you're lucky you'll get an AoI inside another faction or their own book that's limiting otherwise you are trying to make a very bizarre list
That's how the old army worked anyways.

>>96036894
American love the CCP.

>Miao Ying was sent as an ambassador to TOW to meet Sigmar
>was expecting a barbarian, but “taken aback” by him being intelligent and eloquent too
I can see where the shipping comes from, by shipper standards that basically makes them married.

>>96039738
>shows how they don't fit
>claims the opposite
Oh GW-only guys, you so funny.

Cowboy hat = beastmen, Minos are cows
Pharaoh hat = TK obviously
Big hat = chaos dwarfs duh
Pirate hat = maybe vampire coast
1700s hat = possibly empire

>>96040086
Jester hat = Brets
Wizard hat = could be anything

Almost all units from the old DoW army can be represented by models on sale now.

>>96040131
I feel like they could mostly just refresh the Regiments of Renown in plastic, maybe add some new ones for parts of the world they’ll likely never get around to making a new army for.

>>96039594
the dire wolves, zombies, blood knights, and some of the vampires are great models. No reason not to use them

The skeletons are not great

>>96040172
The characters associated with most of those RoR aren't born yet, so if GW were to make new models, they would just make new RoR that fill the same niche but have completely different lore and backgrounds to them.

>>96039952
>They cannot not give them dwarfs and goblins or they'd be missing the army cover's look
For dwarfs they would have the current mercenary models and the slayer pirates.

>>96039894

Nah I'd just use historical miniatures as proxies.

>>96040190
>The characters associated with most of those RoR aren't born yet
They can stand in for generic characters without any problem.

>>96040231
But then why would you refresh those characters in plastic then?

>>96039952
>(and I highly doubt they will bring those back)
but what if they did and you could bully cathay players with an army made of mongoblins?

>>96040253
I find it kinda funny how goblin wolf riders harrass the "asians" even in aos.
Doubly so when said asians are elves and eltharion has to face fat goblins on wolf chariots attacking his homeland all over again.

>>96039864
Relatively new. The option wasn't there when WElves or Beastmen were released.

>>96040182
The vampires are one of the worst things about that range

>want to get a box of gors for a fun conversion project to make them warped
>still have minis left to assemble and paint
this is pain

How should I base these fellas? Plan to use them as filler for my zombies, possibly for dire wolves.

>>96040050
they fit on 25x50 like shown, what are you on?

The Dogs of War!
The Dogs of War are real!

>>96040563
You can plainly see it's like putting demigryphs on cavalry bases. Possible, but you reveal your lacking mental faculties.

werent the dogs of war just mercenary rules for existing units?

>>96040572
>Possible
that's what we wanted to know, thank you

>>96040576
no

>>96040589
>guys I can put my chaos warriors on 20mils, that means they fit and I should be able to put them in those bases
Same energy.

>>96040576
No. When people speak of the faction Dogs of War, they mainly refer to the Southern Realms - Estalia and Tilea (though mostly Tilea), although there are units & regiments outside this region of the Old World (such as the Badland Ogres).
They would not necessarily be the same as the 'Mercenary' section from TOW rules.

>>96040658
blood dragons were on 25x50 back in the day. It's possible to do it with the new one, just like it's possible to put the new chaos warriors on 25.
Were they designed to be put on those bases? No. Do they rank if you do it? Yes. That's what we wanted to know, I don't care if you find it weird. Just like the bonecrusher giant being on a 100x50 base

>>96040199
>proxies of humans
>for a faction that is half other races
No one wants to fight your pike block

>>96040702
Oh god this is either gonna be an expensive faction or the most predator made to order in history.
And I'm still angry with myself for missing the Diaz daemonettes.

>>96040713
>blood dragons were on 25x50 back in the day
And these are not those blood dragons, these are newer figures larger than demigryphs. Good luck actually making contact with the enemy of getting a second rank in there, since if it's hard on the Jade Lancers as is, these are just gonna be really funny yo try.

>>96040719
Condotierri Gonzalo Dandolo a wins again! No foe can dare fight the might of the a Tilean pike.

>>96040719
>>96040770

Yeah, the art of war says that the best victories are achieved without bloodshed.

>>96040770
>>96040806
Having a bunch of high elf spears eq is what killed DoW to begin with.
Need more cool shit like the cold ones or long drong

>>96040506
Chuck 'em all into a bin and paint them later when drunk or bored.

>>96040821

Cursed company was a neat concept, it should be brought back at the very least. mercenary ogres are also a good, if super safe choice.

>>96040821
You can't have DoW without mercenay pikemen, it's like having Bretonnia horse guys with individual heraldry and ou'rageous french accents.

Man I really really hope DoW include some new plastic and not just rereleased old metal.

Whoever made the instructions for and cut up the cathayan sentinel for the sprue needs to be fired

>>96040858
True
I mean with all the flavorful options I'd hope GW would bring back as many as possible. I know /his/fag's are desperate to get games with their models finally but pike and shot stuff just....ignores so much of what makes WHFB interesting Ideally you can have that core be pikes and cannons, but there's so much cool stuff missing if that's all.

>>96041100

Yeah seems like we're pretty much in agreement (I'd also like to play with my historical models). The core of the army could be pikemen, duelists etc, but there's so much GW could do with wacky fantasy regiments.

I'm so close to pulling the trigger on the great plan but I got like two more questions
>are the new saurus from AoS able to rank up on squarebases ok? If I got the spearhead would I need to spend a lot of time to make them rank neatly?
>any scale issues for the AoS models? I'd imagine nothing too bad but do the new skinks and saurus too big to make humans look comically small?

>>96041194
only nu model you'd really struggle to use is the nu slann

>>96041194
They rank up just fine

>>96041194
No problemos muchacho

>>96041214
>>96041227
>>96041218
Thanks scale bros. I'ma do it. Get those fucking warmblooded upstarts off my lawn

>>96040576
DoW had a real army list with generic units.
See >>96040131
Then you have the famous named regiments.

Southern Realms (Dogs of War) and more Tomb Kings in the next Arcane Journal after the second Cathay one according to Discord

>>96041311
i just remember my maneaters from ogre kingdoms in 6th edition had the dogs of war rule, so i just assumed it was a USR for using codex entries as mercenaries in other armies like the maneaters

>>96041470
Any details on southern realms? Only old kits or new plastics too?

>>96040515
remove the integrated bases

>>96041470
>Southern Realms and Tomb Kings
You know maybe it says it in the Arcane Journal or Army books, but what the rest of notAfrica thinks and deals with The Land of the Dead could be interesting.

>>96040048
blame GW for their shitty lore where Dragons can crossbreed with humans, which somehow only ever happened in Cathay.

>>96041641
Southern Realms in this case, I think, just mean Tilea, Estalia, and the Border Princes rather than Araby and the Southlands.

>>96041470
Does the leak say what's part of the 2nd Tomb Kings?

>>96041680
Ah well, maybe they’ll give them a RoR anyways.

>>96041680
And sartosa would be where the pirates come into the equation

>>96041671

Keep up! The Dragon Emperor/Celestial Dragon is the only elder dragon smart enough to not get killed directly taking on the Old Ones, and hooks up with the Dragon Empress/Moon Dragon, who comes from the moon and is defiantly not a dragon, but took the shape of one cos she was horny for the Dragon Emperor and subsequently taught him how to shapeshift into human form and had a bunch of kids with him, would could also shapeshift into human and proceeded to fuck them.

Shapeshifting not an especially new thing in Warhammer (vampires taking wolf and bat forms, weres, OG doplegangers, Transformation of Kadon), but also not one that gets a lot of attention.

All silverhelms assembled. Now to prime and paint them.
Then their shields.

>>96041823
holy fucking age of shit.
wait that's not really the fluff is it

>>96041194
the only scale problem is with aggradons: they're practically as big as the old carnosaur, while the new skink cavalry is the kit that fits the cold ones cavalry the best.

>>96041923

That is really the fluff. Read the Arcane Journal, it's basically pamphlet anyway.

>>96041923
>the anime waifu dragons are anime waifus?
Come on anon.

>>96041923
it's a bit hyperbolic as per 4chan retelling traditions, but it's roughly correct:
the eastern dragon was clever at studying magic and staying away from problems with the old ones and he, and his children, got shapeshifting magic thanks to the empress, who's allegedly the last of an unknown species of shapeshifting aliens from the moon

can dragons interbreed with others without shapeshifting magic? I like to think so to explain various draconic beasts, like dragon ogres, who are not chaos mutants, but so far the fluff is that only the eastern dragons fuck humans.

>>96041680
I wish GW would make a official southern realms army book with Estalia and Tilea, I know they nothing more than lore set pieces that get mentioned here and there once in a blue moon but I think it be cool to have them in some way in the old world, like a conquistador styled army I would fucking love to make

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>>96041470
>Southern Realms
I hate this name paraded around by total war Spaniards to feel more important, estalia is irrelevant, the army is dogs of war, if it has to be called something else, it's got to be called Tilea, because that's the only part that matters.

>>96041908
Fvcking based. Imagine this as a single unit

>>96041671
They can probably do it because of moon empress genes.

>>96041823
And just like that, Cathay has disappeared from my head canon.

>>96041990
Tilea is decently fleshed out thanks to the original 5th edition Dogs of War books and later supplements and WFRP splats, it's just Estalia, which we know very little beyond it being "Not-Iberia"

>>96041942
>>96041961
>>96041984
>on today's episode of 40,000 Reasons To Ignore Everything GW Published After 2005...
as staggering as it seems, I think this list might actually hit 40,000 entries before I die.
fuckin hell, geedubs. it's like they sponsored a continuing education program and every single employee got an advanced degree in Fuckup.

>>96042084
What we do know is mostly from older books and it's not flattering at all.
>soldiers are referred to constantly as villains and cruel
>South Estalia is akin to Araby, North Estalia akin to Bretonnia
>they are almost identical to Tileans but if you call an Estalian a Tilean he'll kill you
>city-states at constant war with each other
Even the new world colonies and explorations are a Tilean thing rather than Estalian.

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>>96042151
>Even the new world colonies and explorations are a Tilean thing rather than Estalian.
That's not really the case since out of the four canon human settlements on Lustria, really only Port Reaver and Swamp Town have a connection to Tilea, and only through Sartosan Pirates, Skeggi is Norse, and Santa Magritta is Estilian.

Canonically fucks human men all the time and has had thousands if not more children with them.
Canonically also a nice person the people genuinely love and follow because they want to.
May also be the woman Sigmar ditched the empire for in order to live out his retirement with her.

>>96041671
They can do it because they can take human form, unlike western dragons

>>96041923
What exactly is so bad about it? The Moon Empress isn't literally from one of the moons, she is just born from it's magic.

>>96042322
>they can take human form
can we just collectively agree to memory-hole that anime shit? like just among us warhammer players, agree to give gw the bird. it's 4000% cooler if cathay is just ruled by a dragon dynasty.

>>96042357
What is so bad about it? It is hardly the first time powerful beings are able to shapeshift, how many times as a Tzeenthcian demon took the form of a human, or Lahmian Vampires?
>it's 4000% cooler if cathay is just ruled by a dragon dynasty
Their dragon form is their true form

>>96042357
>can we just collectively agree to memory-hole that anime shit?
No.

>>96042387
>Tzeentchian demon took the form of a human
specifically the changeling, who, you know, changes.

>Lahmian Vampires
Vampires are humans

What is bad about DRAGONS shapeshifting is not only are they not really spellcasters in the setting they are also prideful and so the idea they would even want to lower themselves just to make their human subjects feel fuzzy inside is ludicrous. It also seems like the only reason GW would let them shapeshift is to try to make them appear good and not monster tyrants ruling over humans, which is gay as hell.

>>96041923
>lore about fantasy creatures using magic in MY FANTASY BATTLES GAME?????

>>96042426
The dragons being able to shapeshift isn't even new lore

>>96042355
>>96042387
>What exactly is so bad about it?
if you need to be told that, there's nobody who will be able to explain it to you.
you're like that one 13 year old who for some fucking reason needs to be told that huffing glue is a bad idea (and is too fucking stupid to listen).

>>96042490
So in other words, you don't have a real reason other than just finding fantasy china icky
This is akin to when online liberals say "It's not my job to educate you" when you ask them to substantiate their positions.

>>96042357
>it's 4000% cooler if cathay is just ruled by a dragon dynasty.
I think it's cooler if it's just human emperors hopped up on so much mercury they really think they're dragons.

>>96042357
What does memory-hole refer to?
Context I know you mean forget, but what the fuck is memory-hole

>>96038429
Half HW+S half Halberd. You can put whatever loadout you're playing as in the front ranks, and then you don't need two battalion boxes. Could also do 20 of one and run a detachment of 10 of the other.

>>96042700
It's from 1984. garbage tube that leads to the incinerator. when the government deletes someone, all files on them go down the hole, so they cease to have ever existed.

>>96042565
we do already have an Egypt faction. but that's definitely also an improvement over what we got.

>>96042509
it's not *fantasy* china that's the problem.
a version of warhammer china written back when GW still employed writers would probably have been great.

>>96042918
It's just GW trying to appeal to 40k players. They did this with Stormcasts in Age of Sigmar to evoke High Fantasy Space Marines. Cathay is basically an Imperial Chinese version of the Imperium of Man, complete with a Godlike Emperor with his Primarch children.

>>96042875
Cool

>>96042918
>it's not *fantasy* china that's the problem.
a version of warhammer china written back when GW still employed writers would probably have been great

Always gotta throw that old good, new bad in there too.

>>96043029
Claiming that 40k created the idea of a demigod is quite the argument

>>96042918
>China with ogres and money dudes and giant stone soldiers led by magical shapeshifting dragons with fleets of skyships isn't fantasy because it's not evil and the cute dragon girls like human men
Bruh.

>>96043111
I don't think he's saying it isn't fantasy. But that is not fantasy, as in Warhammer Fantasy.
It's gay nu-lore.

>>96039493
Skellies can be de-kislevised with a simple head and shield swap if you choose to build them with spears. Oh, and you absolutely can repose them so they fit on 20mm squares without fillers. The main issue with them is the same as with the previous kit, the bones are thin and fragile. At least the joints are more solid now.

>>96042565
That's definitely making it into the rewrite, but they're also only one of the countless factions in a never-ending orgy of warlordism that only pretends to rule.

I think it’s funny and fits the universe how the Dragon Emperor accidentally accelerated the fall of the Sky Titans and his only reaction to the Elves enslaving the western Dragons and the Dwarves slaughtering them was to quietly seethe about it.

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>>96033230 (OP)
Regarding Cathay, it remains to be seen if Cathay's depiction in Total War will be accurate to The Old World but if it is, then I definitely think they fit the setting.
The Arcane Journal soured me on the army but I really enjoy their depiction in the game. An entire empire ruled by a distant ancient dragon and his retarded children who can't get along, with a population of brainwashed subjects being bossed around by arrogant nobles? Sounds good to me.
Here's hoping we get a better idea of what the Dragon Emperor's plan is, since it seems he wants to genocide the Slann and rid the world of all Old One projects, including humans.

>>96043092
>Always gotta throw that old good, new bad in there too.
in most contexts old good new bad is bullshit.
but in GWs case, it's been true 10 times out of 10, every year for two straight fucking decades. at this point it's not some grog truism, it's just a natural law of the universe.

How can I build an effective 1k orcs and goblins list for 8th edition?

I'm mostly interested in night goblins, black orcs, and mangler squigs.

I currently have access two doom diver catapults and some spear chuckas but no other artillery. I dont really care to buy a stone lobba or whatever, but can if the army is unplayable without it.

so far I'm looking at
2 doom divers
1 mangler squig
lv2 night goblin shaman
lv4 night goblin great shaman
7x5 night goblins (spears) with all the shit
5x4 archers with just fanatics
the rest of the points spent on black orcs

What units are a waste of time in this edition? normal orc boys and normal goblins?

how are boar boys?

generally how do i deploy this army? I figure black orcs in the middle, one doom diver and unit of night goblins on each side. not entirely sure where to put the squig and wizards.

thanks!

>>96036338
I made mine fit on 20mm. They also rank up pretty easily. It helped that I kitbashed them heavily as the weapons they come with are ridiculously oversized, even by warhammer standards.

>>96043566
The 1d6chan wiki is your friend here, they have a great tactics page for 8th edition Orcs and Goblins that I can't be bothered to summarize. It should answer all your questions as they have detailed breakdowns on not only tactics but information about each individual unit choice.

>>96042509
look, there's like minimum 3 things a new faction should do to fit in to a game without players crying bullshit:
#1 it should integrate smoothly in to the lore with lots of ties to existing factions, so it feels like it was always there. this is how you create backdrop for all the conflict that you show on the table.

#2 it should give them good reason to be in fights with as many other factions as possible. so lots of shared borders and ripe conflicts with everybody.
#3 and also good reason to be in fights with other players who have the same army. which means lots of opportunities for internal schisms and strife.

these three things are critical, because the whole point of wargame lore is to provide context for the battles you're playing on the table. and cathay fails hard on all three.
if you want a counterexample look at ogre kingdoms. before the 6th ed army books all the lore about warhammer ogres could fit on a napkin. it was basically whole-cloth invention of a faction. but they tied it in tightly with what already existed, created reasons for ogres to fight everybody including each other (and to have been fighting with everybody in the past), and supported the pre-existing DoW and Orc connections. which meant from day 1 it felt like it belonged. the players never rejected it as foreign because it never felt out of place.

>>96044018
I'm not in love with Cathay but the army fulfills all of your criteria.
>1. integrate smoothly into the lore with lots of ties to existing factions.
Probably on the weaker side compared to your other criteria. Cathay as depicted in fluff until now have been isolationist, and they still are to a certain degree. That one of the dragon siblings visited Sigmar in person is stupid to me. But Cathay employs many trade caravans and their western cities are filled with traders and explorers from all races, they have a close relationship with the Ogres, have a hatred of Chaos and according to nu-fluff are sending troops to help in the Great War Against Chaos.
>2. shared borders with other armies
Cathay are constantly fighting off Chaos, Dark Elf raids, Clan Eshin, lots of battles against Ogres and Chaos Dwarfs since Cathay's caravans pass through their lands. Obviously there's also Beastmen and Orcs in Cathay. There have been attempted invasions of both the Southlands and Lustria by Cathay (which has been established for decades) and the Dragon Emperor hates Slann and the Lizardmen.
I'd argue that Cathay actually fulfills this criteria much better than certain other armies, such as the Wood Elves, Chaos Dwarves, Lizardmen, Tomb Kings, meaning armies that don't stray much from their own settlements.
>3. internal strife
Cathay has constant civil wars between the dragon siblings. They hate each other. This is like one of the key parts of the army.

>>96042357
No, because thats the coolest part about cathay. Why would I humor your autism?

>>96036376
Yeah no its fucking retarded im like almost done rn, the chestpiece is so fucking bullshit. Wait untill you figure out the instructions for the hands are wrong lol
>>96041088 this was me complaining about it aswell

>>96044105
>They hate each other
But really like the stupid mortals that serve them. Like a lot.

>>96036338
dwarves go on 25s

>>96036894
Do people actually live like this where they pay attention to when they get paid so they can instantly blow money on the newest shittiest products from gw? Wild.

>>96044423
scholars of the empire will tell you that the dragons of cathay copulate with their subjects and yes they are correct

Working on my Razorgor, goin with drybrushing,this time around, let's get it done.

>>96044614
Nice pig anon, dig the colors. What colors did you use?
I have also been working a little on my razorgor, mainly filling in gaps with greenstuff.

>>96033230 (OP)
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