How in the actual fuck did they fumble Konflikt '47 so bad?

Ugly sculpts and designs
Massive over-inflation of prices
The complete retconning and removal of basically everything offensive, (Nazis, the SS, references to Fascism.) so it basically isn't even a World War 2 game anymore.

It looks like a gayer Wolfenstein.

Man they really made the power armor too top heavy lol
New mech is kind of stinky. US soldiers are mostly fine. Other stuff is 50/50. I dunno, I'll keep an eye on the line expanding. I didn't like half the designs in the original anyway.

>>96039699 (OP)
The Spider mech fits in with previous designs, but the American mech looks too advanced, and looks a bit too much like a Madcat.

>>96039859
Are these new or just the repackaged older ones?

>>96040026
I think they're all new. The older spider mech designs were fairly short, length-wise, and this one seems to have a longer engine space.

>>96039699 (OP)

I've painted a lot of Weird War stuff for fun like picrel but for whatever reason K47 just doesn't interest me.

Does anyone else do a Weird War II ruleset? I guess ideally I'd want it a bit more grounded and have horror movie vibes. Zombies and werewolves are great but mechs and tesla coil tanks would be rarer etc.

>>96040251
That is old k47 afaik, it was mostly BA troops with a walker or Tesla tank added on.

I kind of figured this would happen when they announced they had new writers who all seemed to be the standard marvel esque audience rather than being into alt history stuff.

A lot of places are getting rid of any weird or alt history. Pinnacle got rid of the entire Weird war and later deadlands timeline because people disliked the CFA and coyote confederation.

>>96039859
>the American mech looks too advanced, and looks a bit too much like a Madcat
I can't unsee it as the outtakes from LAPD Future Cop with tiny head and oversized feet.

>>96040251
I kind of like the idea of WWII with random folk monsters.
Like brits doing deals with the fey, germans doing mix of magic and science and the gringos trying to battle priest into every units.
But I'm with you with K47, something is off with it and I can't point the finger as into what it is

>>96039699 (OP)
Not really into this game, I remember reading a little about it, isn't it this one where WWI was extended when they found alien technology or something like that?
>>96040792
I recall Pinnacle saying "remember when in this setting the war is on a treuce? no, the north won, and no southerns anywhere". I knew the setting was over in that moment.

>>96041324
you've basically just made hellboy at that point.
I'd kill for a BPRD wargame closest is aktung cthulhu

Is the new edition out yet and, if so, are there PDFs I can steal yet? DGAF about their buttraping of the IP, I'm considering using it as the basis for a Star Wars conversion.

>>96042641
September.

>>96039699 (OP)
According to all the interviews I’ve heard they’re going to make regular WW2 units less viable compared to the weird war stuff which sucks. The juxtaposition of regular dudes vs horrors beyond their comprehension was what made it interesting.

>>96042950
Isn't that basically doing that but with some realism?

Idk what feels off is the designs for me. Close but not there.

>>96040792
They need to embrace the ridiculousness of things like Harry Turtledove and HOI

>>96043198
Guess we’ll have to see once the points and rules come out.

>>96039859
It is a direct copy of a Mad Dog you spheroid surat.

>>96040130
I think these are all hard plastic when the old models were resin and pewter.

>>96043545
Everything in the starter set except the leaders are hard plastic. Unfortunately it looks like a lot of the other stuff they’re coming out with is in their siocast resin.

>>96042950
I mean is there any point to fielding mechs and monsters if they aren't any better at all? Why commune with dark powers and work with dangerous new tech if it kinda sucks and a rifle or an 88mm is still just as good?

>>96043532
Neg,
such a dezgra design more closely resembles the spheroid "bushwacker" design.
thus the wasteful use of autocannons like the spheroids use.
this is a man who never received a blood name because of his failure to follow the path of honour

>>96043813
it's a trade off, also i really hate the automatons so i'd rather just field regulars with maybe a unit of galahads

>>96039699 (OP)
man, i wish dust tactics was still a thing, at least their panzer mech were good looking

>>96039859
It doesn't look to far off from the merlin

>>96044515
I think there's too many moving parts on the new American mech.

Keep in mind, the Merlin is supposed to be the pinnacle of mech design for 1947. It is essentially a titan built for WW2. Yet it's clunky and appears clumsy and lumbering. The high tech internals are betrayed by the limitations of mid 1940s welding and riveting. It feels very in keeping with the aesthetic of 'World War 2 British Armour.' It is very cool.

Compare it to this new American mech and it looks... I dunno, overdesigned?

In my opinion, it isn't in keeping with the American WW2 aesthetic. I can see the Merlin functioning alongside the Cromwell tank, with their square features and chunky rivets.

I can't see the new American mech walking alongside a Sherman and say the same. It just looks TOO advanced, so at this point utilizing actual WW2 tech would just look silly on the table, and in the lore.

The designers for this game need to really get in the heads of WW2 manufacturers like Ford, Vickers, Porsche, etc and think "What would THEY do if they had rift tech?" Instead they've come up with their own Hellboy-esque comic book art style, which I think has caused K '47 to lose basically all its appeal.

>>96044556
And yeah, SOME of the new stuff looks like the old stuff, like the new spider mech. But that feels very much like a cop out so they can bridge the gap between the old shit they didn't make, and the new shit they want to replace it with. And even then, its just a flimsier looking Spinne with more moving parts.

>>96044515
>>96044556
I'd call it a tedious dollar store battlemech in a time where people have better options than that. There's a million better inspirations for this shit, including the better ww2 tanklike designs k47 already had.

>>96044556
I mean I feel like you're not appreciating just how fast tech moved during ww2, sure we had lumbering behemoth tanks that look antiquated now but by the end of the war we started seel the first jets and the centurion. WW2 saw cutting edge stuff and I don't think there's anything wrong with making a few mechs look more advanced then others

>>96044609
The advanced-ness isn't necessarily the problem. It's that the new mechs do not retain the character of the old ones, which in turn got their character from OTL WW2 tech.

The US Pondskater the anon above posted looks infinitely better than the new US mech for reasons I can't quite put my finger on other than the new stuff just doesn't look Weird World War. It looks like a poorly researched comic book representation of World War 2.

>>96044609
Yeah tech moved fast. But the Centurion tank looked like a better Comet tank which looked like an advanced Cromwell which looked like a better Crusader which looked like a better etc.

WW2 aesthetics have been binned in favour of just pulling vaguely dieselpunk designs out of thin air.

>>96044715
>>96044709
>>96044580
>>96044556
You guys hit the nail on the head. Something felt off when I saw the new designs, and your right. They are not K47 units, they are some plant milk latte swigging comic book writers homebrew dieselpunk 'nazis and Americans' designs. I hope the old minis remain available, I want the old German power armour suits.

>>96044826
Were I not in utter financial ruin right now, I would snap up every K '47 kit I've wanted for the last 5 years.

I swear K' 47 has suffered the worst in regards to the miniature wargame inflation crises.

>>96043532
>>96043959
You missed your containment general, furfags.

>>96039699 (OP)
does anyone have some STL files to share?!

>>96042610
That reminds me of the random images used in the Xenos Rampant rule book.
In theory you can use whatever the fuck you want as models since models in a squad are mostly tokens for wounds.

>>96039699 (OP)
>Ugly sculpts
Agreed, especially on the german infantry, but also the americans are not very good

>and designs
here i disagree,the designs in general are nice

>Massive over-inflation of prices
Is it that much more expensive than K47 already was?


>It looks like a gayer Wolfenstein.
Isn't that what all Weird War 2 games essentially are?

>>96039773
>New mech is kind of stinky.
To me, the US mech is the clear highlight of all the stuff they showed.

>>96039859
>The Spider mech fits in with previous designs,
True, but the previous one already looked bad, but at least they kept the theme.

I am not interested in Weird War 2 at all, but i will get one of the US Mechs, simply because i like its looks.

>>96044556
>The designers for this game need to really get in the heads of WW2 manufacturers like Ford, Vickers, Porsche, etc and think "What would THEY do if they had rift tech?" Instead they've come up with their own Hellboy-esque comic book art style, which I think has caused K '47 to lose basically all its appeal.

This is something not a single Weird War game does right. They add random monsters, weapons and stuff into their games and settings, without any sense or realism in mind (its weird, so it does not have to be realistic, right?).
What is rift tech, and why would it make faction X do Y. For example: What is the advantage of this spider mech over any of the light tanks with a similar gun they had in WW2.

>>96046826
>Is it that much more expensive than K47 already was?

I don’t think he was talking about current prices, but for some reason the cost of K47 has almost doubled in the past 3-4 years. They seem to be taking the GW model of price hikes every year above the rate of inflation.

>>96046848
>its weird, so it does not have to be realistic, right?
Yes. It's not called rational war.

>>96046848
Not knowing anything about the setting the only thing I can think off is that in this setting some kind of force field exist and you need the least amount of contact with the ground while moving through it. So treads are a no go. (Why wheels wont work? I have no idea)
Reason why mechs with legs are needed in order to bring some form of heavy weapons inside this force fields.
But then again you end with the problem as to why tanks and walker would exist within the same battlefield

>>96046916
Sure, but it does not make people suddenly make irrational things.

>>96046926
>So treads are a no go.
What about that M3 Stuart tank tho?

>>96046969
I see tank treads. So no?
But then again no idea of how the setting works. Just trying to come up with an explanation as to why 1940 ish setting would come up with walkers.
Just because we are in fantasy setting with dragons we have to accept a Honda Civic in the middle of a battle.

I'm waiting for the IJA content and some more lore, they got a load of BL writers like William King, so hoping there's some books coming down the line

>>96046969
Yes it does. If you lived in weird world you'd probably do some really weird stuff.
>>96046926
>the only thing I can think off is that in this setting some kind of force field exist and you need the least amount of contact with the ground while moving through it
Don't quit your day job.

>>96047399
Well that is the reason why walkers exist in star wars. Never claim it was a good reason though.

>>96039699 (OP)
Did they get rid of segregation in this alternate 1947?

>>96046848
>What is the advantage of this spider mech over any of the light tanks with a similar gun they had in WW2.
It looks really cool, which is ultimately the entire driving force behind everything in every single "weird war" setting ever. Getting super autistic over realism in a setting that explicitly douses realism in petrol, sets it on fire, and then feeds it into a woodchipper while it's still on fire is extraordinarily dumb.

The correct approach is to come up with a cool idea and then work backwards to make it fit - not "why would Henschel build a spider tank" but rather "what would it look like if Henschel built a spider tank".

>>96050457
You and your ilk are the reason everything is shit now. Getting super autistic about stuff is why every good thing is good, and the blasé attitude of the sort you have is the reason bad things are bad. Look at any well liked(by people who aren't faggots) sci-fi or fantasy IP and you'll find "show bibles" and sourcebooks and reams upon reams of notes going over the tiniest shit in minute detail, at least 80% of which never makes it within a mile of the screen/page/board, but the fact the writers cared enough to think about it that hard is why the parts we do get to see are so plausible and appealing.

Even if you *begin* with the idea "a spider tank by Henschel would be cool, what would that look like?" you do still actually need to create a plausible *reason* they'd make one or else you're not making a setting, you're just a deviantart hack that could be replaced by an AI prompt.

>>96046848
>What is the advantage of this spider mech over any of the light tanks with a similar gun they had in WW2.
They can cross rivers and terrain like ruins in cities, or go up a mountain.

This feels less like an 'oops we forgot to mention' and more like a 'people complained that our prices are too high, what do we do' moment

>>96046969
Yes because turning your soldiers into vampires is perfectly rational

>>96050690
>"show bibles" and sourcebooks and reams upon reams of notes going over the tiniest shit in minute detail
Literally 90% of this gets made after these shows are finished, and by different people. Lucas didn't know what species greedo was and roddenberry didn't know what any of the technobabble meant. They had a visual style and theme and then they made up cool sounding stuff to get them there.
Many awful things have lots of justification, and lots of really cool and well made stuff was made up on the spot. It's got shockingly little effect.

>>96051038
Warlords prices have become a sore point. See the current K47 heavy infantry rolling out at about £40 for 3 to 6 models, depending on the variant, or the Black Seas line with a box of 4 brigs and 2 frigates costing about £38, and the box of 3 3rd raters costing more. Or the 2000AD games line with minis costing upwards of a tenner a pop for what are largely poor sculpts.
I don't dislike their minis, I want some K47 heavies and some 2000ad minis, and the Black Seas stuff fits perfectly with my 2mm napoleonic armies. But Warlords seem to think they can emulate GW's prices, so I'm priced out.

>>96052682
>But Warlords seem to think they can emulate GW's prices

Its nowhere near GW prices yet. Not bargain bin prices either of course, but really not GW-level.

>>96050690
Bullshit. One I'm actually familiar with is the Doom Bible, which Tom Hall wrote basically to try and motivate himself to work on the game, and was basically ignored or rejected. Fragments of it remain in the game, like a texture that refers to Tei Tenga, but it's basically irrelevant. And Sandy wrote the game text having not even read it.
80% of that shit doesn't make it into the finished product because it's basically one guy writing fanfiction about their job and barely affecting anyone else's work.

>>96051669
>and roddenberry didn't know what any of the technobabble meant
IIRC the writers would skim through recently published science journals to find the latest impressive science-y sounding words that they'd yoink out and apply to whatever dramatic thing they wanted to happen.

I finally found this old blogpost about how they designed one of the old K47 walkers. Everything was so well thought out. Knee pads that could double as stabilizers so the mech could kneel and fire, the weapon placed centrally in the main body for the most support against the recoil. You just don't see this kind of thought in the new model.

https://www.warlordgames.com/konflikt-47-designs-and-decisions/